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| slong_ | hey nermina :) | 13:03 |
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| nermina | hi summer! | 13:03 |
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| slong_ | The docs meeting is now, right? | 13:04 |
| nermina | the calendar told me so :) | 13:05 |
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| slong_ | :) | 13:05 |
| lorin1 | That was my impression as well | 13:05 |
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| slong_ | ping annegentle | 13:21 |
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| slong_ | Hmm, looks like the docs meeting has been postponed? | 13:23 |
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| annegentle | sigh | 14:01 |
| nermina | hi anne! | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | nermina: hey! Thanks for emailing, I got it while driving and am now at a friendly starbucks :) | 14:02 |
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| nermina | anne, that reminds me that i need a refill! | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I'll send an email to reschedule | 14:03 |
| annegentle | heh | 14:03 |
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| nermina | sounds good | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | wow no wonder I can't remember this, there's no reminder set. Sigh. | 14:09 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 15:00:39 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scheduler)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here for the scheduler meeting? | 15:00 |
| * glikson here | 15:01 | |
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| n0ano | hmm, slow start today (you go away for a week and everyone forgets about you :-) | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | Well, it's 10 after and just the two of us, I think will have to cancel today, hopefully get more interest next week. | 15:09 |
| glikson | yep | 15:10 |
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| PaulMurray | I'm here too, but I guess so | 15:10 |
| n0ano | Sorry about that, till next time. | 15:10 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 15:10:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-08-27-15.00.html | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-08-27-15.00.txt | 15:10 |
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| garyk | n0ano: i guess that i have my times wrong again :( | 16:02 |
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| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 16:06:18 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | Hello everybody! | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | who's around today? | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | looks like it's going to be a quick meeting :-) | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | there's no trace of primeministerp, so we'll do a quick recap of the status | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Blueprints | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:08 | |
| alexpilotti | All the blueprints have been implemented | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | we have a pretty long list of items under review | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | covering Nova, Neutron, Cinder and Ceilometer | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | there's a total of 17 reviews out there | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | in the -dev ML there's quite some discussion about the frustration led by the lack of reviews | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | it's a common scenario, definitely not regarding Hyper-V only | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | It will generate some timing issues as probably reviews will happen altogether | 16:12 |
| pnavarro | I have to say, that cinder guys have reviewed quite fast | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | the fact that the patches are interdependent does not help of course :-) | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | pnavarro: yeah, I was definitely amazed by their level of support compared with the rest :-) | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | the neutron BP, being marked as High priority has also been reviewed with a +2 | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | waiting now for the +2a | 16:14 |
| pnavarro | yes, that helps too | 16:14 |
| pnavarro | cinder one was high priority too | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | the rest has been mostly reviewed, with +1s and some +2s along the way | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | so I expect mostly minor work | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: would you like to add something on the Cinder BP side? | 16:15 |
| pnavarro | yeah, I think after two weeks of reviewing | 16:16 |
| pnavarro | the review will finish in a couple of days | 16:17 |
| pnavarro | I'm quite attentive because there are some patches in review that are not very windows friendly | 16:17 |
| pnavarro | so, I'm -1ing too | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | that's great! | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | tx for all your work! | 16:19 |
| pnavarro | you are welcome ! | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | BTW we still have to fix the issue with the service startup on WIndows | 16:20 |
| pnavarro | yeah, that's true ! | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | Lucian did some work and made it work, do you have updates on that? | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | or should I ask him to prepare a patch on what we have? | 16:20 |
| pnavarro | well, I have refactored the code so match... | 16:20 |
| pnavarro | much | 16:20 |
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| pnavarro | I think once the code will be landed | 16:21 |
| pnavarro | because, some code I've moved to core clases | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: ok, so we wait for your patch to land before starting | 16:22 |
| pnavarro | yeah | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | next | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Oslo service bug | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo service bug (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:22 | |
| alexpilotti | We found a bug in Oslo while testing the ceilometer agent | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | fetching it… :-) | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1217043 | 16:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1217043 in oslo "service.py is broken on Windows due to SIGHUP addition" [High,In progress] | 16:24 |
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| alexpilotti | this is blocking ANY service that uses it from running on Windows | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | this is the 3rd issue this month that we faced due to similar issues, that can be traced to the lack of a Windows CI gate | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | in this case SIGHUP support has been added | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | and since signal.SIGHUP does not exist... | 16:25 |
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| alexpilotti | on Windows I mean, we have some problems | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | I already committed a patch, it needs some refactoring (it was a very quick and dirty one) | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | but the Oslo team put it as high priority, so life is good :-) | 16:26 |
| pnavarro | cool | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Crowbar | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Crowbar (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:26 | |
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| alexpilotti | on the Crowbar side the Hyper-V integration is done and under review for Pebbles | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | if anybody wants to help in the review process, we'd be very thankful :-) | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | On my side I'm done | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: anything to add? | 16:28 |
| pnavarro | I know crowbar very well, how can i help you with the review | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: wow, cool!! | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | ociuhandu: do you have some links for pnavarro? | 16:29 |
| pnavarro | you know, I was the first community contributor ;-) | 16:29 |
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| ociuhandu | pnavarro: great :) | 16:29 |
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| pnavarro | ociuhandu, you can send me an e-mail with the information | 16:30 |
| ociuhandu | pnavarro: we have a barclamp for installing the compute/networking components on hyper-v / windows server 2012: https://github.com/cloudbase/barclamp-hyperv-compute | 16:30 |
| ociuhandu | pnavarro: great, will collect all other bits and pieces and send you an email with what we did :) | 16:31 |
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| pnavarro | great | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | oki guys | 16:31 |
| ociuhandu | pnavarro: thanks :) | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: thanks! | 16:31 |
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| alexpilotti | I think we are done with the topics for today | 16:32 |
| pnavarro | Have a nice review ! | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | tx ;-) | 16:32 |
| pnavarro | Ciao/Adios ! | 16:32 |
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| alexpilotti | pnavarro: hasta luego! | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 16:33:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-08-27-16.06.html | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-08-27-16.06.txt | 16:33 |
| ociuhandu | pnavarro: bye :) | 16:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-08-27-16.06.log.html | 16:33 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | hi henrynash! | 18:01 |
| topol | Hello | 18:01 |
| fabiogia | Hi | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: btw, @protected is much easier to follow now. | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: imo | 18:01 |
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| gyee | 0/ | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: I bow to a higher power :-) | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: nah, you did the hard work. | 18:02 |
| topol | hnerynash, you created your own policy file. your jedi training is complete :-) | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | topol: good point! | 18:03 |
| henrynash | topol: thank you, emperor …. | 18:03 |
| * topol thats like building your own lightsabre | 18:03 | |
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| ayoung | Oi! | 18:03 |
| ayoung | dolphm is mia | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | pinged'em in #openstack-dev | 18:04 |
| henrynash | ayoung: you want to drive? | 18:04 |
| ayoung | lets give him one more minute | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | 30 seconds... | 18:05 |
| henrynash | freeze, what freeze... | 18:06 |
| ayoung | henrynash, its all you, dude. | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: we're playing freeze tag now? | 18:06 |
| henrynash | oh ok | 18:06 |
| topol | anyone have like 20 new blueprints to approve with dolph mia? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:06 |
| henrynash | #startmeeting | 18:06 |
| openstack | henrynash: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 18:06 |
| henrynash | #startmeeting keystone | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 18:07:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is henrynash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:07 |
| bknudson | I'm glad we're not on the marketing committee | 18:07 |
| ayoung | #topic Feature Freeze | 18:07 |
| henrynash | indeed | 18:07 |
| ayoung | Aug 28 | 18:07 |
| henrynash | who has changes that they are trying to get in | 18:07 |
| henrynash | (says me who has 2 or maybe 3) | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 18:08 |
| gyee | pretty much everybody :) | 18:08 |
| ayoung | Not me... | 18:08 |
| ayoung | I learned my lesson the hard way | 18:08 |
| bknudson | do we -2 anything that looks like a new feature? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yep | 18:08 |
| henrynash | bknudson: if it's not in the bp that was agreed, then yes | 18:08 |
| ayoung | it will be allowed to merge as soon as the Havana RC branch is created. Master becomes Icehouse | 18:08 |
| ayoung | #action dolphm publish when we can start Icehouse development | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: is meetbot not listening to you? | 18:09 |
| ayoung | milestone 3 cute is sept 4, so I assume it will happen around then | 18:09 |
| gyee | can somebody review fabio's endpoint filtering extension? | 18:09 |
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| gyee | that one's real close | 18:09 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, doesn't matter, it will show up in the log | 18:09 |
| bknudson | should be able to start icehouse development now, just don't expect it to be merged. | 18:09 |
| topol | gyee, url? | 18:09 |
| fabiogia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33118/31 | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: it's on my todo today, it is def. close. | 18:10 |
| gyee | thanks guys | 18:10 |
| henrynash | so I have two definites that need to go in: | 18:10 |
| ayoung | 31? Bah. Wake me once he breaks 50. That when things get interesting | 18:11 |
| henrynash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38308/ | 18:11 |
| ayoung | right stevemar ? | 18:11 |
| gyee | henrynash, I am reviewing them | 18:11 |
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| henrynash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43257/ | 18:11 |
| henrynash | and I need to check with dolphm on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43581/ | 18:12 |
| ayoung | I think I can Approve endpoitn filtering, | 18:12 |
| gyee | ayoung, thank you sir | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | I also have a few that need some hard looks. | 18:12 |
| henrynash | ..which is ready, but want to get his view on whether we go ahead with the originally contemplated page sematics, or where we leave that to IceHouse as it was somewhat contentious | 18:12 |
| fabiogia | ayoung: thanks | 18:12 |
| ayoung | target entities was real close, too. henrynash is jenkins failure spurious? | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes, think so | 18:13 |
| ayoung | fabiogia, understand, I say that because it is an extension, and should be disabled by default. Low risk. | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ayoung: gyee suggested I add a configuration.rst section on policy rules, which I think is a good idea | 18:13 |
| ayoung | henrynash's is higher risk, but I've looked at it a few times and know the scope | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I'll do that after this meeting | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | filter support is a little riskier | 18:14 |
| topol | henrynash +1 on adding a section on policy rules. Defintely would like a rosetta stone for that | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ++ | 18:15 |
| ayoung | I would be motivated to postpone filters to icehouse. That would make jaypipes sad, but I'm used to doing that to him | 18:15 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I think we have to put filtering in - I'll commit to ramping on the testing ahead of RC | 18:15 |
| gyee | ayoung, I like the admin domain concept, its a much cleaner deployment pattern | 18:15 |
| ayoung | gyee, me too | 18:15 |
| topol | gyee +1 | 18:15 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: lol :) that's fine with me. better to be done right. | 18:15 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I'd really like filters in there….there doesn't seem a debate about it…just the testing that we need to do | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | what is the admin domain concept? other than what is described by the name | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: if we are pushing filtering to Icehouse, i'll want to propose a couple more patchsets for caching around the list methods. | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | just an expected deployment pattern | 18:16 |
| ayoung | henrynash, it isn't a question of whether the approach is right...it is the risk | 18:16 |
| gyee | ayoung, for filters, passing query params to the drivers is a good start | 18:16 |
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| gyee | we probably will need to make some changes along the way, but at least give us a starting point | 18:17 |
| henrynash | ayoung: agreed. and we have an extra week of testing since we are freezing early | 18:17 |
| ayoung | gyee, ... I think we are SQL stupid in OpenStack in general and Keystone specifically. I suspect that we do way too mcuh sql generation,. and I don't want to open Keystone up for an injection attack | 18:17 |
| ayoung | I'd be happier if we forced everything to use sored procedures | 18:17 |
| ayoung | heh | 18:17 |
| ayoung | stored | 18:17 |
| gyee | ayoung, we are doing param binding | 18:17 |
| gyee | so sql injection is unlikely | 18:18 |
| ayoung | "unlikely" | 18:18 |
| ayoung | yeah, lets punt | 18:18 |
| henrynash | jaypipes: (fyi, I agree with deferring pagination to IceHouse to make we sure we get the api right, even though that is ready to go) | 18:18 |
| henrynash | ayoung: let's punt, what? | 18:19 |
| gyee | pagination to IceHouse, fine with me | 18:19 |
| topol | punt on what? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | henrynash, lets punt filtering to Icehouse. | 18:19 |
| gyee | but can we at least get filters in? | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | pagination to icehouse sounds good. | 18:19 |
| henrynash | ayoung: not sure I'm ready to agree | 18:19 |
| ayoung | gyee, I won't block it, but I'm not going to approve it. | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | agree | 18:19 |
| henrynash | ayoungL pagination to IceHouse, yep | 18:19 |
| henrynash | ayoung: that's fair | 18:19 |
| ayoung | henrynash, filtering is a prereq for pagination, right? | 18:20 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes | 18:20 |
| topol | why dont we have enough runway that you feel comfortable with filtering? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | now, you make the argument that filtering is not an API change, just an implementation of what is in the spec | 18:20 |
| henrynash | ayoung: they are separate patches | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I think that breaks the H2 API freeze rule | 18:20 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: how come? | 18:20 |
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| gyee | all I care is get the query params into the drivers so I can do my thing | 18:21 |
| bknudson | can we split out the part that gets the query params into the drivers? | 18:21 |
| ayoung | gyee, you are not going to get them for LDAP anyway. The best we are going to get is SQL this go round | 18:21 |
| ayoung | I'll let y'all make the choice, but I think it is a mistake, and suggest we let filtering land in Icehouse 1 | 18:21 |
| henrynash | bknduson: well we already do filtering, we just do it at a high-level (controller)…. all this does is let the drives implement that same semantics | 18:22 |
| bknudson | what filtering do we allow? | 18:22 |
| bknudson | what's in the spec? | 18:22 |
| gyee | bknudson, that sound like a good idea | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | i like bknudson's plan. get the query params down to the driver, but maybe not implment the filtering | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | at the driver. if someone wants to add that in on their own, they at least have it. | 18:22 |
| gyee | fyi, I have some custom (internal) drivers | 18:23 |
| bknudson | henrynash: gyee: it sounds we've already got what gyee wants. | 18:23 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, yes | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | s/implement/do anything with it yet/ | 18:23 |
| henrynash | bknudson: yes | 18:23 |
| ayoung | so we will break filtering for LDAP then, since the LDAP drivers don't implement it and we are going to remove it from the controller? | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | it's not removed from the controller | 18:23 |
| henrynash | ayoung: that isn't the way it works | 18:24 |
| bknudson | the controller handles what the backend doesn't | 18:24 |
| ayoung | So we are going to execute the filter twice? | 18:24 |
| henrynash | bknudson: exactly | 18:24 |
| henrynash | ayoung: no, the driver removes the filter from the query_dict if it has satisfied it | 18:24 |
| bknudson | the controller modifies the query string to remove those that it handles. | 18:24 |
| gyee | exactly | 18:24 |
| henrynash | bknudson the driver | 18:24 |
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| bknudson | sorry, should have said driver and not controller there. | 18:25 |
| ayoung | I'll step out of the argument: I've said my piece | 18:25 |
| bknudson | henrynash: drivers don't do any filtering at this point? | 18:25 |
| henrynash | bkndson: the sql one for assignment and identity does | 18:25 |
| bknudson | that's the part that gyee and ayoung are concerned about | 18:26 |
| henrynash | bknduson: that was the whole point of this bp, that we started at the last summit, we desoped to pull out just filtering.... | 18:27 |
| topol | so without the filtering option arent we seeing big problems in production environments with performance? | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | topol, yeah. | 18:28 |
| ayoung | topol, I | 18:28 |
| gyee | topol, yeah | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | topol: yep. | 18:28 |
| ayoung | ve heard that list users is a big one from horizon | 18:28 |
| gyee | we dont' want LDAP to take hours and return you a few thousand entries :) | 18:28 |
| ayoung | I am a fan of filtering, just not a 1/2 solution at the last minute | 18:28 |
| henrynash | ayoung: why is it 1/2 a solution | 18:28 |
| ayoung | gyee, we don't have a filtering patch for LDAP ready to go, and I think that one is the real problem, | 18:28 |
| gyee | 1/2 solution > no solution | 18:28 |
| ayoung | henrynash, LDAP | 18:28 |
| bknudson | do we support partial matches? | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i think that code is there, but not enabled. | 18:29 |
| bknudson | I didn't look a the filtering spec so don't know what was expected. | 18:29 |
| henrynash | bknduson: I agreed that should go to ice house, there is a separate review for that | 18:29 |
| topol | Im confused. is it viewed as a half solution or just not enough time to test? | 18:29 |
| gyee | topol, both | 18:30 |
| gyee | I like simo's argument on KDS better, code ain't going to mature to sitting there :) | 18:30 |
| henrynash | topol: so the framework is the full solution, then any given driver can whose to satisfy filters to not | 18:30 |
| gyee | s/to/by/ | 18:30 |
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| topol | gyee, are you saying lets get it out there so we can kick the tires on it? | 18:31 |
| henrynash | topol: today we have the sql assignment and identity drivers that do this, the LDAP one does not (which is OK for compatibility, but you'll get no performance increase for LDAp either) | 18:31 |
| bknudson | I don't think we want different backends handling partial match queries differently. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | OK...we should move on | 18:31 |
| henrynash | bknduson: there is no partial backend support yet enabled | 18:31 |
| ayoung | Quotas is on the BP list, and I think it has not had any activitry in a while | 18:31 |
| henrynash | ayoung: agreed | 18:31 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40568/ | 18:32 |
| ayoung | oh, wait, 26 Aug... | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | also, he's been working on the API spec. | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | anyone know Dmitri's IRC handle? | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | which looks close. | 18:32 |
| gyee | looks like no love from Jenkins either | 18:32 |
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| topol | -1s all around | 18:33 |
| stevemar | ayoung: nope | 18:33 |
| bknudson | it is work in progress | 18:33 |
| topol | so it would seem to be on track to be deferred | 18:34 |
| topol | , no? | 18:34 |
| gyee | topol, unless he can get it done by code freeze | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | topol: it is looking like early Icehouse to me. but he might get it done. | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | yeah...extension, and would be good to have in, but no other core project is going to be consuming it in Havana | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | retarget? | 18:34 |
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| jamielennox | based on the comments inline i'd suggest push to I | 18:35 |
| topol | jamielennox +1 | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: +1, aim for early icehouse so core projects can work to consume it | 18:35 |
| ayoung | henrynash, since meetbot doesn't listen to me, can you try #action ing that? | 18:35 |
| stevemar | ayoung: +1, re-target | 18:35 |
| ayoung | #action retarget quotas to Icehouse 1 | 18:36 |
| henrynash | #action defer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40568/ to I | 18:36 |
| ayoung | meh | 18:36 |
| ayoung | it might be getting it... | 18:36 |
| * topol meetbot needs cpr | 18:36 | |
| henrynash | doesn't listen to me either | 18:36 |
| ayoung | topol, maybe, or it might be doing it silently | 18:36 |
| ayoung | we'll find out when we read the minutes | 18:36 |
| henrynash | #action defer pagination to I | 18:37 |
| gyee | somebody doing screen capture right? | 18:37 |
| gyee | just in case | 18:37 |
| ayoung | henrynash, the only high bugs on there have your name on them, | 18:37 |
| stevemar | theres always the meeting log right? | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | ah, wait | 18:37 |
| ayoung | bknudson, you have an AD related one | 18:37 |
| henrynash | ayoung: so I'll be on them next | 18:37 |
| bknudson | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41515/ | 18:38 |
| ayoung | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-3 | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41208/ | 18:38 |
| ayoung | bknudson, looking now | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | if people are willing to put eyes on caching, i'd appreciate it. | 18:38 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, you got it | 18:38 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, me 2 | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | and the dependent changesets. | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg, will look today | 18:39 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: agreed | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | i expect to have 1 or 2 more small changesets in the next day to add to the chain, but i need to sync w/ henrynash about filtering | 18:39 |
| gyee | filtering, you thinking caching filtering? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: talked with Dolphm, the get_* methods will be cached and aggressively invalidated as needed | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: the list_* methods will be cached, but may return slightly stale data (low cache_times, configurable) | 18:40 |
| gyee | please don't cache filtering | 18:40 |
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| stevemar | gyee: what's the deal on endpoint filtering? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33118/ | 18:41 |
| gyee | you are going to blow up the cache in the hurry | 18:41 |
| stevemar | gyee: is it going in? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | stevemar, yeah. | 18:41 |
| gyee | stevemar, yes | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: i can avoid caching filters specifically. i'll talk w/ you after meeting so i'm on the same page. | 18:41 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I'm giving it one last look after the meeting and then I'll approve, assuming all is well | 18:41 |
| stevemar | ayoung: cool, it needs some +2s if we want it in | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: it's why i didn't implment for list methods yet. | 18:42 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, yeah, list_* will have heavy impact on the cache | 18:42 |
| gyee | if you are going to do it, make it optional and configurable | 18:43 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I have someone that work on trying to replicate https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1211445 if you have been unable to | 18:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211445 in keystone "deleting an unassigned role causes 500" [High,Confirmed] | 18:44 |
| henrynash | ayoung: (hey, hello meetbot) that would be good..both Dolphm and I failed to reproduce | 18:44 |
| ayoung | henrynash, OK. I'll reassign to him. | 18:45 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: although maybe that one ISN"t relate (as suggested) to the other…(which is the one we could not reproduce: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1210590 | 18:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210590 in keystone "Split backend crashes with AttributeError" [High,Invalid] | 18:46 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I'll have him focus on just the "listing projects..." bug | 18:47 |
| ayoung | anyting else high priority? | 18:47 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung, give me 5 min at the end for client stuff | 18:48 |
| ayoung | gyee, filter endpoint based on scope https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-filtering is covered by fabiogia 's patch right? | 18:48 |
| dolphm_ | (oops!) getting a new keystone contributor up to speed and just realized what time it was... hope ya'll are being productive ;) | 18:48 |
| ayoung | showing as slow progress, but it should be about to get in | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, very | 18:48 |
| stevemar | we were lost without our fearless leader | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, we voted to postpone quotas to I1. | 18:48 |
| henrynash | there are 34 high priority bugs, or which about half have fixes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | bugs can be worked on between FF and RC? | 18:49 |
| gyee | ayoung, yes | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, since quotas is still taggedas WIP, doubt it will be finished by tomorrow | 18:49 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yes | 18:49 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: i would hope so | 18:49 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: interesting | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, they become blockers | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: nod. | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | i expect to have soem time to start working on bugs here once we're past the mad rush to the FF | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, yeah. Seems like quotas is close, but I don't think the other projects will be able to consume it, so it makes sense to defer | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, unless he was all ready to go and just working out minor kinks...do you know Dmitri's IRC handle? we can ask him | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | I think we are thorugh the high-priority items for H3? | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, we spend a good amount of time discussing filters. My vote is to postpone them, as we will only have SQL and not LDAP, and because it is, as I see it, high risk. I won't -2 it, but recommend we postpone. THere are many voices that disagree | 18:54 |
| henrynash | dolphm: we agreed that pagination should be deferred, but there wa disagreement on filtering | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | alright, so i realize that this will be a bit of a quiet period for client because everyone has a lot of reviews anyway but i want to poke people again to look at client as well (no feature freeze) | 18:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, if we cache at the driver level and filter at the controller level, we'll have a workable solution, no? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i think so. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: it makes the caching easier too. | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | particularly https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/auth-plugins which is the base stuff for aababilov's APIClient work | 18:56 |
| gyee | jamielennox, +1 | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: but it doesn't solve the long load really hard hit back end (beyond some basic level) for the list_* methoids, like list_users | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | it'd be good if people could at least have a skim through, the first two base patches are up and i think it's a good direction - it will make us much easier to consume | 18:56 |
| gyee | jamielennox, that's the same impl as Nova's right? | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | gyee, that's the intention | 18:57 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, it will be expensive the first time it is hit, and then cached, and then expensive again when the cache is invalidated, right? | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | i want it developed in keystone first but and then we'll try to make it nova compatible - if we have to tweak 1 or 2 things in nova it should be ok | 18:57 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: yeah, we can't have a caching solution the does not allow filtering at the driver level (whether are do that in H or I) | 18:57 |
| gyee | stevemar, I am guessing oath will make use of it? | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: yes. | 18:58 |
| stevemar | gyee: make use of caching? | 18:58 |
| henrynash | 2 mins to go.... | 18:58 |
| gyee | stevemar, no, make use of pluggable auth in the client side | 18:58 |
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| gyee | the one jamielennox is working on | 18:59 |
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| jamielennox | gyee, stevemar i haven't looked at that | 18:59 |
| stevemar | gyee: oh i'm a bit behind, sounds like it would be a great fit | 18:59 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I suspect also that the caching will not be used by Apache. | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | it sounds like a good fit though | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: we can discuss that after the meeting, but not sure on that front. | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | so this is a a Puppet review, but topol and other HTTPD fans should look at it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29059/ | 19:00 |
| stevemar | jamielennox, i'm knee deep in keystoneclient right now, learning a lot, hopefully i can help you out a bit, soon | 19:00 |
| henrynash | ok timesup | 19:00 |
| jamielennox | stevemar, sounds good | 19:00 |
| topol | ayoung, I will look | 19:00 |
| dolphm__ | ayoung: thanks! sounds rational.. I'm only on my phone, I'll probably have questions when I get back to my desk | 19:00 |
| henrynash | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 19:00:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-27-18.07.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-27-18.07.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-27-18.07.log.html | 19:00 |
| jamielennox | well at least meetbot listens to that command | 19:00 |
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| ttx | jeblair: infra meeting ? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | jeblair: zaro pleia2 anteaya ttx reed | 19:02 |
| clarkb | ttx is so far ahead of me | 19:02 |
| anteaya | hello | 19:02 |
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| anteaya | always | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 19:02:53 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:03 |
| zaro | \o | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-20-19.01.html | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Operational issues update (jeblair) | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | so i figured let's start with updates on all the exciting things from last week | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | nodepool is now running the code in git master | 19:04 |
| jeblair | and the config file in puppet | 19:04 |
| jeblair | so system administration on that host has returned to normal (fully puppet managed) | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | and it seems to be doing a pretty good job | 19:04 |
| jeblair | there is one new change that went into a restart this morning that hasn't seen production testing, and that's fixing the image cleanup code | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | so that, will either work, do nothing, or delete all the images nodepool uses and everything will stop. | 19:05 |
| jeblair | we'll know soon. :) | 19:05 |
| anteaya | let's hope for one of the first two options | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: so much confidence :) | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: can you link to the change? | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43623/ | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: after we fixed git.o.o, i think the last lingering issues we know about were unstable jobs due to static.o.o and lost jobs due to jenkins not being able to talk to slaves | 19:07 |
| jeblair | sound about right? | 19:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup | 19:07 |
| clarkb | both of which should be addressed as of this morning right? | 19:08 |
| jeblair | i believe we have worked around the lost jobs issue by having zuul detect that situation and re-launch the job | 19:08 |
| jeblair | that change has been in production for a bit | 19:08 |
| jeblair | long enough that i believe i've seen it work (it takes a bit to track down because it does try to be invisible to the user) | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | and then for static, we moved our intensive filesystem maintenance (compressing and deleting logs) to the weekend | 19:09 |
| jeblair | which is a stopgap, but a good one, i think. | 19:09 |
| clarkb | and you also spun up a new larger static node with working ipv6 and grew the filesystems that store data | 19:10 |
| jeblair | it should be fine until we have a smarter log receiving/publishing service | 19:10 |
| clarkb | did the new node get a AAAA record in DNS? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, the additional cpus on static should help if we see contention there | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, that happened too | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | so the status and logs servers are now reachable via ipv6 | 19:11 |
| jeblair | and pypi | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | i think all of the bottlenecks we saw last week have been addressed, and so as we're pushing further up the stack | 19:12 |
| jeblair | the current bottleneck is zuul preparing to merge changes | 19:12 |
| jeblair | it takes 1 minute to process a change for nova before it even starts tests | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | we just merged some patches to zuul to make that much, much smaller | 19:12 |
| jeblair | and i plan on restarting zuul this afternoon to pick it, and a bunch of other small bugfixes up | 19:13 |
| jeblair | it will be a disruptive restart, because the graceful shutdown is currently broken, but that's one of the bugfixes | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | so hopefully it'll be better | 19:13 |
| clarkb | it will be nice to get those fixes in | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | and i think after that, we'll probably be pretty selective about zuul upgrades as we approach h3 | 19:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: want to describe the current git server config? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think we are getting really close to being selective about all changes | 19:15 |
| clarkb | sure | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | http://ci.openstack.org/git.html has super basics | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | (might want to update it now :)) | 19:15 |
| clarkb | one of the bottlenecks we ran into last week was fetching git refs from review.openstack.org. It caused load averages >200 on review.o.o frequently which was bad for tests and reviewers | 19:15 |
| clarkb | to work around this we pushed pleia2's cgit server into production quickly but it quickly got bogged down as well. To work around that we put an haproxy load balancer in front of 4 identical cgit servers | 19:16 |
| clarkb | today we have one haproxy node balancing 4 git servers. The git servers are running git-daemon, apache, and cgit for all of your git needs (git:// http(s) cgit browsability) | 19:17 |
| clarkb | In getting that going we discovered that having a lot of loose refs files made git on cetnos very slow. So we are packing all refs once per day and it makes a major difference | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | #link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=2 | 19:18 |
| jeblair | and that's only on the mirror; the repos in gerrit still have their refs unpacked | 19:18 |
| jeblair | (which has come in handy in the past, when we removed all the zuul refs) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit | 19:18 |
| clarkb | thank you pleia2 for getting the base puppet stuff for that going. It ended up being quite flexible when we needed haproxy in front of it | 19:19 |
| jeblair | yeah, that graph suggests we're a little overprovisioned, but i think that's a good place to be for h3, so i'm in favor of leaving it as is and seeing how those 4 servers perform | 19:19 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ | 19:19 |
| jeblair | oh, according to rackspace there could be network disruption tomorrow | 19:20 |
| jeblair | August 28th from 12:01 - 4:00 AM CDT | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | reading the announcement it didn't appear like it would be serious | 19:21 |
| clarkb | but the possibility for network outages of up to 10 minutes is there | 19:21 |
| jeblair | anything else about operational issues? | 19:22 |
| jeblair | ttx: ^ there's an update to catch you up | 19:22 |
| jeblair | #topic Backups (jeblair) | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | this may be more of a clarkb topic at this point | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | (but i'll just add that with groups-dev, we may have our first trove database that we want to backup) | 19:23 |
| clarkb | we have a puppet module that adds a define to mysqldump mysql servers and gzip that dump allowing us to do our own backups | 19:24 |
| ttx | jeblair: ack | 19:24 |
| clarkb | it is currently running on etherpad and etherpad-dev. A change to make the cron quiet merged Sunday so I think it is ready to go onto review-dev and review | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: and maybe add it to wiki (which is already being backed up)? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | it will need a little work to backup trove DBs but nothing major (use username and passowrd instead of a defaults file) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: oh yes. Are there any other hosts running mysql that need backups? | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: on what host do you think we should do the mysqldumps for trove? | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: etherpad? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I was thinking that running the trove backups on the server consuming the trove DB would be easiest to keep the DB backups with the backups for that server | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: but that assumes one trove DB per app and not multitenancy | 19:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sounds reasonable | 19:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think we can do that. | 19:26 |
| clarkb | that way you don't have to think too hard in a recovery situation | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | list of things that need backups: review(-dev), wiki, etherpad(-dev) | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | #topic Tarballs move (jeblair) | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | i think we decided to defer this for a while, maybe till after h3, yeah? | 19:28 |
| clarkb | yeah, it isn't super important but is definitely nice to have | 19:28 |
| jeblair | #topic Asterisk server (jeblair, pabelanger, russelb) | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | so this took a back seat to everything blowing up last week | 19:28 |
| jeblair | but i'm thinking i should be able to spin up those other servers today | 19:29 |
| russellb | cool, sounds good | 19:29 |
| jeblair | so we can test if the latency is better from a couple different network points | 19:29 |
| clarkb | jeblair: will that include hpcloud server(s)? | 19:29 |
| russellb | need to identify some sort of ... metric for how to compare the different test systems | 19:29 |
| russellb | really what we're after is audio quality | 19:29 |
| russellb | system load didn't seem to be a big concern | 19:30 |
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| russellb | but we don't really have a good tool other than our perceived quality of the call | 19:30 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sure; it'll be good to collect data. if we _love_ them at hpcloud then we'll have to deal with the question of hpcloud's SLA, but we can kick that down the road | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | russellb: i agree, especially since actual network latency between the voip provider and pbx was minimal | 19:31 |
| russellb | yeah, i don't think that was it ... | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | russellb: so we may need to have a series of calls and do a subjective test? | 19:31 |
| russellb | yeah | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | i'm planning on varying the size and data center of the servers i spin up | 19:32 |
| anteaya | where can we post the agreed upon times for testing the calls? can we put them on the wiki page for now? | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing | 19:33 |
| jeblair | anteaya: or we could send out another email to the -infra list | 19:33 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:33 |
| jeblair | anything else on this topic? | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | This is a long weekend for those of us in the US | 19:35 |
| zaro | i will be on vacation starting tomorrow until 9/4 | 19:35 |
| zaro | new patch was submitted to upstream gerrit. | 19:36 |
| zaro | #link https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/48254/8 | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | zaro: neat, looks david pursehouse is working with you on it | 19:37 |
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| zaro | jeblair: yes, looking good so far, got one +1, and one -1 since new patch. -1 was just a nit pick. | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | anything else? | 19:39 |
| anteaya | great work this week jeblair and clarkb | 19:40 |
| anteaya | *applause* | 19:40 |
| clarkb | nothing from me | 19:40 |
| jeblair | anteaya: thanks for your help :) | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | thanks jeblair | 19:40 |
| anteaya | welcome | 19:40 |
| anteaya | :D | 19:40 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 19:41:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-27-19.02.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-27-19.02.txt | 19:41 |
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| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 20:00 |
| ttx | russellb, shardy, jd__, markmc, annegentle, mikal, mordred, notmyname, markwash, jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain: around ? | 20:00 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:00 |
| notmyname | here | 20:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmc | hey | 20:00 |
| ttx | mordred is burning the man, so probably won't be around | 20:00 |
| megan_w_ | the Maroni team is here as well | 20:00 |
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| oz_akan_ | hi | 20:01 |
| ttx | ok, there is enough of us | 20:01 |
| malini | hello | 20:01 |
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| cppcabrera | here | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | <o/ | 20:01 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 20:01 |
| zaneb | megan_w_: but what about the Marconi team? ;) | 20:01 |
| * ttx was on the Maroni yesterday. I suspect you mean "Marconi" :) | 20:01 | |
| jd__ | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 20:01:42 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| megan_w_ | them too :) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Our short agenda: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Marconi incubation request: initial discussion | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/014076.html | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation | 20:02 |
| ttx | We generally do incubation requests over two meetings | 20:02 |
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| ttx | so that we can ask questions and get precise answers before we actually vote | 20:02 |
| ttx | Marconi folks: care to quickly introduce yourselves and the project ? | 20:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | then we'll fire all kind of questions at you | 20:03 |
| kgriffs | sure thing | 20:03 |
| kgriffs | I'm Kurt Griffiths | 20:03 |
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| kgriffs | I've been nominated to be the PTL for Marconi if it is accepted | 20:03 |
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| kgriffs | I'll let everyone else introduce themselves... | 20:03 |
| * flaper87 is Flavio Percoco | 20:03 | |
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| cppcabrera | Alejandro Cabrera here, enjoying working on the marconi project for some time now. | 20:04 |
| * ametts is Allan Metts, Director of Engineering at Rackspace | 20:04 | |
| flaper87 | I've been helping kgriffs leading the project since its very beggining | 20:04 |
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| amitgandhi | Amit Gandhi - Dev Manager at Rackspace | 20:04 |
| megan_w_ | Megan Wohlford, I am a Product Manager at Rackspace, working on Marconi | 20:04 |
| malini | I am Malini Kamalambal, developer in test | 20:04 |
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| * flaper87 is a Software Engineer at Red Hat | 20:04 | |
| kgriffs | and, I should mention I am an architect at Rackspace | 20:05 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: You mention 1.0 in your incubation wiki page. How far are you from this featureset ? | 20:05 |
| oz_akan_ | Oz Akan, Engineering Manager at Rackspace, I have been working on deployment and performance side of Marconi | 20:05 |
| markmc | lots of managers :) | 20:05 |
| kgriffs | heh, Oz is very hands on. :D | 20:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | inapproriate | 20:06 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: is it more the current state, or the expected Icehouse state ? | 20:06 |
| ttx | (or the expected J state) | 20:07 |
| kgriffs | ttx: we are close. We have some performance work to do, we need to improve logging, and we have to finish up the marconi proxy | 20:07 |
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| kgriffs | I would like to have a 1.0 release ready for Icehouse | 20:07 |
| ttx | kgriffs: You compared with Amazon SQS in one of the follow-up emails, mentioning what you did and what they did not... | 20:07 |
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| dolphm | kgriffs: how was the 1.0 featureset defined? to fulfill a specific use case or to achieve parity with an alternative solution? | 20:08 |
| ttx | Is there anything they support that you don't ? Large messages, delay queues, long retention time, long polling... | 20:08 |
| dolphm | v1.0 API, specifically | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1 | 20:08 |
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| kgriffs | ttx: yes, they support delayed messages | 20:08 |
| kgriffs | we have it on our roadmap but are waiting to see what the demand is | 20:08 |
| ttx | kgriffs: +1 | 20:09 |
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| russellb | who is they? | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | russellb: SQS | 20:09 |
| russellb | ok. | 20:09 |
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| ttx | russellb: was in response to my question | 20:09 |
| kgriffs | we have also discussed doing long polling and even push-based transports (websockets, zmq) but I feel like I want to get a solid baseline release out first. | 20:09 |
| russellb | ah k | 20:09 |
| ttx | kgriffs: right. Was just checking those were not somehow off-limits. | 20:10 |
| kgriffs | nope | 20:10 |
| kgriffs | (not off limits) | 20:10 |
| ttx | kgriffs: dolphm had a question above | 20:10 |
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| kgriffs | dolphm: the project's requirements have evolved over time | 20:10 |
| kgriffs | let me elaborate. :D | 20:11 |
| kgriffs | so, the initial set came out of a brainstorming unconference session at the Grizzly summit | 20:11 |
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| kgriffs | we have refined them based on community discussion, mostly during our team meetings in #openstack-meeting-alt and in #openstack-marconi | 20:12 |
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| kgriffs | also, a little on the mailing list, but we seemed to have better luck engaging folks via IRC | 20:12 |
| kgriffs | so, early on, Iron.IO was involved in giving feedback, also flaper87 (Flavio) from RedHat | 20:13 |
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| kgriffs | and at my own company, Rackspace, we have been talking with lots of "internal" customers and have also surveyed regular customers to find out what they want | 20:13 |
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| kgriffs | obviously, we ended up with a ton of ideas that we won't implement for 1.0 but we have plenty to keep us busy for quite a while. | 20:14 |
| ttx | other questions ? | 20:14 |
| kgriffs | so, overall, I've tried to be very open and public about design/requirements | 20:14 |
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| ttx | or comments/opinions ? | 20:15 |
| markmc | kgriffs, there was talk of a zmq backend - how does/will that work? | 20:15 |
| kgriffs | FWIW, some reqs. also came from discussions at the last summit in Portland | 20:15 |
| markmc | e.g. are zmq endpoints exposed to users, or is it purely an implementation detail? | 20:15 |
| kgriffs | markmc: I'll let flaper87 take that q. | 20:15 |
| * notmyname thinks a queue service is a terribly useful feature that is missing from openstack | 20:15 | |
| zaneb | fwiw we have use cases waiting for something like this already in Heat | 20:15 |
| jd__ | hm does that rely on oslo? | 20:16 |
| russellb | notmyname: agreed from a high level, at least. trying to work through the approach though ... | 20:16 |
| ttx | notmyname: +1... AWS has had SQS since 2004, two years before they introduced S3 and EC2 | 20:16 |
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| flaper87 | markmc: re zmq. Current proposal is to implement a transport plugin for zmq, which means, being able to talk to marconi using zmq as we were using HTTP | 20:16 |
| markmc | jd__, just for oslo utilities AFAIK | 20:16 |
| russellb | doesn't exist yet though, right? | 20:16 |
| russellb | (the zmq thing) | 20:16 |
| markmc | flaper87, ok, so it's an alternate frontend | 20:16 |
| notmyname | so the important point here is that marconi isn't provisioning new queue for people, but actually implementing a queue service | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | there are 2 layers in Marconi, one for the transports and one for the storage. They both are pluggable | 20:16 |
| notmyname | right? | 20:16 |
| russellb | i see an empty __init__.py file, heh | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | markmc: correct | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | russellb: correct | 20:16 |
| markmc | flaper87, backend remains the same? | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | markmc: yup | 20:17 |
| russellb | flaper87: storage == the messaging backend? | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | russellb: correct | 20:17 |
| russellb | and right now you have mongodb? | 20:17 |
| notmyname | flaper87: "pluggable" is a horrible word. too many assumptions about the definition | 20:17 |
| russellb | (and sqlite, but presumably for testing) | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | russellb: as for now we have sqlite and mongodb | 20:17 |
| russellb | so does mongodb have magic messaging semantics or what? | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | notmyname: sorry, bad wording from my side. We allow third-party modules through stevedore | 20:17 |
| russellb | like .... why is this not an API on top of rabbit or some existing message broker? | 20:17 |
| kgriffs | we have discussed supporting AMQP and/or SQLAlchemy as well, but we want to keep the set of "official" drivers small. | 20:18 |
| cppcabrera | russelb: yep, sqlite is a testing storage backend. | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | russellb: not, mongodb works as a database (as mysql / psql would do). | 20:18 |
| cppcabrera | *russellb | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | russellb: an API on top of existing message brokers is on our roadmap | 20:18 |
| russellb | right, so what makes that the first choiec for a messaging service backend? | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | so far we have plans for 3 more storage backend | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | 1) rel dbs, 2) rabbit 3) proton | 20:18 |
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| kgriffs | russellb: we wanted to include a mongo driver since it can be easier to achieve HA than with, say, RabbitMQ | 20:19 |
| markmc | how do you implement "List messages" with rabbit as a storage backend? | 20:19 |
| kgriffs | it also gives us some extra features | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | russellb: the main reason is that we wanted to focus on the API without struggling with AMQP issues (and Message broker issues) in first place | 20:19 |
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| russellb | markmc: heh, true. | 20:19 |
| dolphm | markmc: i was just wondering what the use case was for supporting "list messages" | 20:19 |
| russellb | also, i'm very interested in digging into your views on what backends go in the project vs out | 20:19 |
| russellb | because based on some list posts, your position doesn't seem to align that well with other projects | 20:20 |
| ttx | kgriffs: <notmyname> so the important point here is that marconi isn't provisioning new queue for people, but actually implementing a queue service, right? <-- would like to see the answer to that question as well | 20:20 |
| kgriffs | dolphm: so, we are supporting listing messages when you want observers that don't claim messages (pub-sub). | 20:20 |
| kgriffs | ttx: correct, marconi is a queuing service itself, not a provisioning service | 20:21 |
| zaneb | that's a little bit frightening ;) | 20:21 |
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| jd__ | Redis anyone? | 20:21 |
| * jd__ likes to pop tech' randomly | 20:21 | |
| cppcabrera | +1 jd__ | 20:21 |
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| flaper87 | jd__: cppcabrera played with that but the implementation isn't complete yet | 20:21 |
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| kgriffs | again, regarding listing messages, it allows interesting hybrid semantics | 20:22 |
| markmc | flaper87, kgriffs, how do you implement "List messages" with rabbit as a storage backend? | 20:22 |
| jd__ | they don't? | 20:23 |
| russellb | heh | 20:23 |
| kgriffs | markmc: that's a great question. | 20:23 |
| markmc | (trying to get my head around how a storage backend based on an existing broker would work) | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | markmc: sorry, I missed that question | 20:23 |
| kgriffs | that came up last week | 20:23 |
| markmc | (and if it makes sense to do that, why would it not be the default) | 20:23 |
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| markwash | just out of curiousity, why would someone want to use a rabbit backend for marconi? | 20:23 |
| notmyname | markmc: kgriffs: based on the previous answer, wouldn't that mean that marconi isn't using something like rabbit et al for a stoage backend | 20:24 |
| * ttx would generally prefer less backends and a more consistent experience | 20:24 | |
| kgriffs | markwash: some people have expressed interest in doing it in order to bridge to a different (may or may not be legacy) system | 20:24 |
| oz_akan_ | markmc: I think queuing as a service has different requirements than a standalone queuing application like rabbit or redis | 20:24 |
| notmyname | ttx: indeed | 20:24 |
| russellb | ttx: yeah, but i also like not implementing our own, where it makes sense | 20:24 |
| markmc | notmyname, double negative there, so not sure I understand - but my question is "how would a rabbitmq storage backend work?" | 20:24 |
| markwash | kgriffs: I feel like some sort of adapter/shoveling mechanism would be better for that | 20:25 |
| markmc | oz_akan_, so a rabbitmq storage backend doesn't make sense? | 20:25 |
| kgriffs | that's would be my preference as well, esp. considering that parts of the API would not be implementable on rabbit | 20:25 |
| russellb | saying that we're building a queue service, but also saying that using existing message queueing systems is *not* appropriate seems odd at first take | 20:25 |
| notmyname | markmc: from my limited knowledge, it doesn't sound like that would make sense (using a queue as storage for a queue) | 20:25 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: thoughts? | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | from my limited experience with AMQP, messages do not have to be ACK'd (and thus will not be removed)... | 20:26 |
| russellb | but we're building an API for a queue, not a queue itself ... i hope? | 20:26 |
| kgriffs | the emphasis is on the API, yes | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: agreed | 20:26 |
| annegentle | russellb: that's my understanding | 20:26 |
| zaneb | russellb: "<kgriffs> ttx: correct, marconi is a queuing service itself, not a provisioning service" | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | I think not all features around the API will be supported by all backends | 20:27 |
| oz_akan_ | markmc: I can't say doesn't makes sense but probably is a response to a different need than using mongodb as a backend | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | storage backends* | 20:27 |
| kgriffs | i mean, it isn't provisioning AMQP queues or something | 20:27 |
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| russellb | zaneb: i get that, but you can still have an API on top of an internal message fabric that you didn't build yourself, right? | 20:27 |
| kgriffs | it is a service itself in that it has it's own API that is multi-tenant | 20:27 |
| markwash | I don't think that's the point | 20:27 |
| cppcabrera | #info marconi is a queuing service itself, not a provisioning service | 20:27 |
| dolphm | russellb: not today | 20:27 |
| russellb | dolphm: yeah, i know ... | 20:27 |
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| russellb | speaking hypothetically, i suppose. | 20:28 |
| kgriffs | to be clear, it is a data API, not a management API (although a management API will come along at some point) | 20:28 |
| torgomatic | seems to me that if you have a set of API methods that are supported, and using storage backend X precludes implementation of at least one of those API methods, then using storage backend X is precluded | 20:28 |
| torgomatic | (in response to "why not rabbitmq") | 20:28 |
| markwash | and marconi storage backens *implement* a queue, correct? | 20:28 |
| zaneb | kgriffs: OK, so the user doesn't get direct access to the backend, but neither is marconi touching every message itself? | 20:28 |
| kgriffs | what do you mean by "touching"? | 20:29 |
| zaneb | queuing might be a more accurate term | 20:29 |
| markwash | zaneb: I think all messages are submitted and retrieved through the marconi api #amiwrong? | 20:29 |
| ttx | markwash: IIUC Marconi implements a queue, and uses sqlite/MongoDB/* to store data | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | markwash: correct | 20:29 |
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| ttx | It can use Rabbit to store data too, but that's a bit of a corner case | 20:30 |
| markwash | kgriffs: what kinds of usage monitoring/notifications do you support at present? | 20:30 |
| ttx | So yes, it's a bit scary | 20:30 |
| notmyname | ttx: s/scary/awesome/ | 20:30 |
| ttx | scarier than, say, Trove is. | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | notmyname: +1 :) | 20:31 |
| ttx | notmyname: oh right. s/scary/exciting/ :) | 20:31 |
| kgriffs | markwash: for the end user, for ops, or both? | 20:31 |
| markwash | kgriffs: ops/billing | 20:31 |
| annegentle | ttx: scary because of vagarity in backends and API matching up? | 20:31 |
| markwash | kgriffs: I guess I probably mean "ceilometer" | 20:31 |
| markwash | actually | 20:31 |
| ttx | annegentle: scary because writing message queue software or a database can be hard | 20:32 |
| markwash | IIRC SQS charged some small amount per api request | 20:32 |
| annegentle | ttx: okie | 20:32 |
| gabrielhurley | seealso: quotas/limites | 20:32 |
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| kgriffs | markwash: so, let me answer that | 20:32 |
| ttx | annegentle: though I'm also concerned about supporting too many backends and frontends making it a deployer dream and a user nightmare | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | gabrielhurley: we have some rate limits but no quotas yet | 20:33 |
| annegentle | ttx: yeah I was more scared of backend frontend and docs | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | gabrielhurley: that's on our roadmap, though | 20:33 |
| notmyname | markwash: isn't that "simply" marconi being good about reporting what's going on? is ceilometer support required out of the gate? | 20:33 |
| kgriffs | depending on what you are metering, you may just use web server logs | 20:33 |
| torgomatic | ttx: as long as the same API methods are supported regardless of backend, I don't see why that would be scary for users at all | 20:33 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, we have a bp or two to work on collecting operational stats | 20:33 |
| ttx | torgomatic: I'd agree with that. | 20:33 |
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| kgriffs | we have been discussing whether/how to use ceilometer for that | 20:33 |
| markwash | notmyname: oh, I'm just being a bit curious | 20:34 |
| kgriffs | or statsd or whatever | 20:34 |
| jd__ | if there's a WSGI API with middleware, it's pretty easy to account for request using Ceilometer | 20:34 |
| ttx | torgomatic: as long as we don't start having extensions for those who deploy with RabbitMQ as backend, we should be good. | 20:34 |
| * torgomatic is a big statsd fan, fwiw | 20:34 | |
| kgriffs | yep, the HTTP transport is WSGI | 20:34 |
| kgriffs | marconi doesn't try to provide a web server. | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | we want to integrate w/ ceilometer at some point | 20:34 |
| jd__ | if there's a need to account for things like number of messages stored, I guess we should talk about it | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | Marconi provides a wsgi app that can be used w/ any container | 20:35 |
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| * markwash envys | 20:35 | |
| flaper87 | it does provide a base server using wsgiref, which is suppose to be used for testing | 20:35 |
| cppcabrera | fwiw, I've had pretty awesome experiences so far wrapping marconi in middleware. It plays nice with keystone-auth-middleware. :) | 20:35 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: right, forgot to mention that. | 20:35 |
| kgriffs | :D | 20:35 |
| notmyname | kgriffs: what do you mean by (paraphrasing) "it's and http server" but "it's not a web server"? | 20:36 |
| kgriffs | so, a developer can pip install marconi today and be up and running in a couple minutes | 20:36 |
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| kgriffs | I mean, it doesn't speak/parse HTTP - it doesn't self-host unless you count wsgiref for development/testing | 20:37 |
| markwash | its a wsgi application, not a wsgi server | 20:37 |
| ttx | OK, is there a specific area we'd like to see precised before next week ? | 20:37 |
| cppcabrera | #info marconi is a wsgi application, not a wsgi server | 20:37 |
| ttx | So far I've spotted a few worries and a few surprises, but nothing obscure ? | 20:37 |
| markmc | perhaps clarification what parts of the API would be required for storage backends | 20:37 |
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| markmc | i.e. that a storage backend wouldn't be accepted unless it could implement "list messages" | 20:38 |
| ttx | markmc: personally I'd prefer if the API was the same for all backends | 20:38 |
| markmc | or that "list messages" is an optional API | 20:38 |
| markwash | it sounds like the whole rabbit backend thing should be deemphasized. . it was somewhat confusing for us I guess. . . | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | markmc: +1 | 20:38 |
| ttx | otherwise I'd question the usefulness of the extra backend | 20:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: +1 in fact I'd almost think that should be required | 20:38 |
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| annegentle | I'd prefer the API be standard for all backends as well | 20:39 |
| markwash | but that's just my "if I were you" opinion, not any kind of tc-vote-related issue | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I wouldn't question it. You can have Marconi deployed in different regions and running on top of different backends | 20:39 |
| jd__ | makes sense | 20:39 |
| * markmc isn't against discoverable extensions, but "list messages" seems like a fundamental part of the API | 20:39 | |
| kgriffs | personally, I'm not a big fan for having partial API support depending on backends. If we think something like that is needed, it would be better to split marconi into two projects | 20:39 |
| markmc | if it's not a fundamental part of the API, that should be called out | 20:39 |
| ttx | flaper87: sure, as long as they have the same API | 20:39 |
| * SpamapS would like to raise a hand for "extra backends" | 20:39 | |
| SpamapS | MongoDB.. AGPL.. its a problem. | 20:40 |
| * gabrielhurley is nt a huge fan of mongo at scale, either... | 20:40 | |
| dhellmann | isn't the AGPL only an issue if you're making custom changes to the app? | 20:40 |
| russellb | is the mongodb client lib agpl? | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | I understand that RabbitMQ is sufficiently different from a data store that it confuses the situation.. | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | russellb: nope | 20:40 |
| markwash | sure, other backends. . but not a broker backend | 20:40 |
| kgriffs | but, we went for listing messages since if nothing else it lets you audit work queues, which was always a pain with SQS | 20:40 |
| russellb | from an openstack perspective, it's the client lib license we're mostly concerned with | 20:40 |
| dolphm | kgriffs: is "list messages" the only api feature specifically intended to support pub-sub? | 20:40 |
| russellb | but surely deployers care about mongo itself, too | 20:41 |
| kgriffs | yes | 20:41 |
| russellb | deployers and packagers / vendors | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | russellb: All due respect, but that makes no sense at all. | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | dhellmann: it's not that it's an *issue*, so much as that you have to convince the whole world that it's not an issue | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | russellb: what good is a client library without the database? | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | pymongo is under the Apache license https://github.com/mongodb/mongo-python-driver/blob/master/LICENSE | 20:41 |
| kgriffs | I am not opposed to having alternate backends, but it may be a matter of other SQL/NoSQL rather than adding in AMQP | 20:41 |
| russellb | SpamapS: read the rest of what i said there bud before you freak out | 20:41 |
| dolphm | kgriffs: (was that a yes to my question or to russellb?) | 20:41 |
| markmcclain | I'd like to revisit one aspect of the wsgi topic… namely that marconi uses another wsgi framework not found in any other integrated projects | 20:41 |
| markmc | SpamapS, an AGPL client lib means (or could mean, depending on your take on these things) that Marconi wouldn't be distributable under the Apache License | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | russelb: Sorry, the rest came in while I was mounting my high horse. | 20:41 |
| russellb | SpamapS: i noticed | 20:42 |
| markmc | SpamapS, which is a requirement of all our projects | 20:42 |
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| markmc | SpamapS, that's the valid distinction russellb is making | 20:42 |
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| SpamapS | markmc: Yes, and the AGPL license for MongoDB means you can't deploy without accepting the terms of the AGPL on at least MongoDB. | 20:42 |
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| notmyname | kgriffs: I like that. backend == some way to durably store stuff. not the thing that does the queue work | 20:42 |
| ttx | markmc: how did we solve that in ceilometer-land ? | 20:42 |
| markmc | SpamapS, doesn't affect the license that Marconi is distributed under | 20:42 |
| ttx | or did we not ? | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | My point isn't "burn MongoDB", it is "Allow deployers to choose alternatives, please." | 20:43 |
| markmc | ttx, it's not an AGPL client lib, it's not an issue | 20:43 |
| jd__ | markmcclain: +1 | 20:43 |
| kgriffs | SpamapS: +1 | 20:43 |
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| russellb | SpamapS: fair enough. | 20:43 |
| jd__ | ttx: we didn't? | 20:43 |
| jd__ | :) | 20:44 |
| * ttx slaps jd__ | 20:44 | |
| jd__ | markmcclain raised a good point on API btw | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | jd__: well, we built the sqlalchemy driver, too, didn't we? I don't remember the timing of that, but I think it was at least in progress. | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | markmcclain: we had a plan to test Pecan and try to replace Falcon, however, the last benchmark ( kgriffs has more details about this than me) resulted in falcon being faster and we needed that | 20:44 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think so, indeed | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | that doesn't mean we won't "try" again, we just didn't stressed that point so we could focus on the design | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | ceilometer has the appropriate abstraction to allow deployers to write a new backend and choose an alternative. | 20:45 |
| lifeless | I must have missed something, if you can't use the service without an AGPL service, isn't that still an issue? | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | hope that make sense | 20:45 |
| jd__ | flaper87: hm, because others projects don't need speed? :] | 20:45 |
| * flaper87 is trying to find that blueprint | 20:45 | |
| flaper87 | jd__: not saying so :) | 20:45 |
| jd__ | SpamapS: doesn't marconi have that? | 20:45 |
| dolphm | flaper87: i'd be curious to see the benchmarks that supported that decision | 20:45 |
| annegentle | I did find the prereq "install mongodb" a bit surprising myself. | 20:45 |
| lifeless | You can legally distribute binaries of it, sure, but that doesn't get you the ability to /use/ it. | 20:46 |
| kgriffs | dhellmann: re Pecan, it isn't off the table, just was de-prioritized since just getting a solid baseline release has been taking all our time | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | jd__: indeed, but there was talk of that being confusing because RabbitMQ was mentioned in the same breath as sqlite/mongodb. I want to make sure the abstraction isn't thrown out with the confusion. | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: we can remove that from the wiki / readme | 20:46 |
| lifeless | flaper87: so you don't need mongodb ? | 20:46 |
| markmcclain | flaper87: ok.. would interested to see the benchmarks and code to see how they are constructed | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | mongodb is what we suggest for production right now because there's no other option | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | right now | 20:46 |
| kgriffs | jd__: re speed, not all projects have APIs that are directly in the line of fire | 20:46 |
| annegentle | flaper87: nah, if it's the "easiest" way forward for people then speak the truth :) | 20:46 |
| lifeless | flaper87: so you do need it: it should stay on the wiki. | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | I wouldn't suggest using sqlite in production | 20:46 |
| jd__ | kgriffs: everything's relative? ;) | 20:47 |
| kgriffs | jd__: yep. | 20:47 |
| jd__ | kgriffs: but I get what you mean though | 20:47 |
| ttx | lifeless: they are entering incubation, not being integrated yet | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | we can remove it as soon as we add more backends, I guess | 20:47 |
| annegentle | flaper87: right | 20:47 |
| jd__ | SpamapS: ack, abstraction's good :) | 20:47 |
| lifeless | ttx: sure, still a bit nervous-making | 20:47 |
| kgriffs | I like having sqlite because say I am implementing a Rust library | 20:47 |
| ttx | so we bless the general architecture and the promise of it, more than the details | 20:48 |
| kgriffs | maybe I want to run on my local box | 20:48 |
| kgriffs | with sqlite I don't have to install anything, just pip install and run marconi-server | 20:48 |
| kgriffs | anyway, that's a discussion for another time I suppose | 20:48 |
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| ttx | we need to move to open discussion in a bit. This will be continued next week. Last minute questions ? | 20:48 |
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| flaper87 | Can we make a list of points we should prepare for next week? | 20:49 |
| annegentle | ttx: right this is about incubation now. Ok I'm good. | 20:49 |
| jd__ | talking about architectures, there's a marconi-gc and marconi-server that needs to run and that's it? | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | markmc: mentioned something | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | but I might have missed other points | 20:49 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: +1 | 20:49 |
| ttx | annegentle: and definitely too late to be integrated in Icehouse anyway. | 20:49 |
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| kgriffs | ttx: so, seems like there would be plenty of time to iron out any implementation concerns | 20:49 |
| russellb | btw, when are the next elections again? | 20:50 |
| ttx | kgriffs: indeed | 20:50 |
| kgriffs | (if targeting the J release) | 20:50 |
| russellb | and is there any reason to wait for voting on things incubating next cycle? | 20:50 |
| ttx | russellb: end of Sept | 20:50 |
| jgriffith | russellb: we haven't in the past | 20:50 |
| russellb | k, i'm fine with it, just wanted to make sure ... | 20:50 |
| ttx | that brings us to... | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | drumroll | 20:51 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:51 |
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| ttx | Next week we'll start the end-of-cycle graduation review for Trove and Ironic | 20:51 |
| ttx | To decide if they should be integrated for the Icehouse release | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | ohh ohh ttx pick me pick me, i have a issue | 20:51 |
| jgriffith | hah | 20:51 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you wanted to raise an issue with your work on Trove Heat integration ? | 20:51 |
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| hub_cap | yes so its going quite well | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | with one small issue, SpamapS and sdake and i talked about yest | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | the create stack requires a users password currently | 20:52 |
| ttx | russellb: so a project starting incubation now/nextweek will definitely be too young to graduate nextweek/theweekafter | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | and trove never takes a users password, only token | 20:52 |
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| russellb | ttx: sure | 20:52 |
| russellb | ttx: i was basically considering projects applying now as incubating during the icehouse cycle | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | so until trusts is baked in to heat, we dont have a way to create stacks on behalf of a user | 20:52 |
| shardy | hub_cap: and this will be resolved when heat-trusts gets merged, right? | 20:52 |
| ttx | russellb: that' what we are discussing for Marconi. | 20:53 |
| russellb | right. | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | shardy: i believe so, from what SpamapS/sdake mentioned | 20:53 |
| zaneb | shardy: yes | 20:53 |
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| hub_cap | oh wait it was zaneb | 20:53 |
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| shardy | which, hopefully, should happen now for Havana if all goes to plan | 20:53 |
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| ttx | russellb: i actually encourage projects to file now, so that they can get more space at design summit | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | yes so thats what im afraid of | 20:53 |
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| shardy | as the keystoneclient stuff we were gated on has been released | 20:53 |
| zaneb | shardy: although, it sounds like we have to change the middleware to allow it too | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | "hopefully" :) | 20:53 |
| russellb | ttx: makes sense | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | even if it is merged it such a small window to get it working properly | 20:54 |
| shardy | hub_cap: yeah, the whole thing has taken way longer than I ever expected | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | hehe shardy /me understands... heat integration sure did take a while too for me ;) | 20:54 |
| zaneb | hub_cap: so the back end of trove is switchable between heat/non-heat, right? | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | So bottom line is, Trove should be able to use Heat as soon as Heat can use trusts. | 20:54 |
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| zaneb | you weren't planning to cut directly over | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | zaneb: yes, default is non heat | 20:54 |
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| hub_cap | correct as discussed by the TC Icehouse would be optional, and then release+1 would be default | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | The eventual plan is for extra capabilities in trove, like complex replication scenarios and HA etc. etc. will make use of Heat, but for now.. Trove works fine w/o Heat. | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | its basically deprecating the old way of provisioning so it follows the same thing as say, removing nova volume | 20:55 |
| * SpamapS hopes he got that right. | 20:55 | |
| hub_cap | correct SpamapS | 20:55 |
| zaneb | so, what I suggested to hub_cap is to continue the integration work and try to get things to the point where the lack of token-only middleware in Heat is the only thing preventing support being turned on | 20:55 |
| shardy | zaneb: +1 | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | and thats what im working with now zaneb, create is almost finished | 20:56 |
| zaneb | and if heat-trusts makes it in to Havana, flip the switch | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | and ive got ~1 wk to finish it | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | well yes assuming 1) trusts works flawlessly, and 2) the switch is really small | 20:56 |
| zaneb | hub_cap: well, you're not actually making use of the trusts part | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | correct zaneb | 20:57 |
| zaneb | so it doesn't really have to work ;) | 20:57 |
| anteaya | please find the patch creating the goverance repo here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43002/ awaiting your reviews | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | haha zaneb nice | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | i just need token based stack creation :) | 20:57 |
| ttx | #info patch creating the goverance repo here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43002/ awaiting your reviews | 20:57 |
| zaneb | indeed | 20:57 |
| anteaya | thanks ttx forgot that | 20:58 |
| shardy | Well the trusts functionality will work with both token and user/pass auth, so you can test it by flipping a config filel option in heat | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | so i am slightly concerned that heat integration will creep into Icehouse if the pieces dont land perfectly | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | cool shardy that makes it easy | 20:58 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you could grant yourself a feature freeze exceptoin over that, if you need a few more days | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | yes i would need that, as well as having heat land trusts | 20:59 |
| ttx | we'll all blame shardy for that | 20:59 |
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| hub_cap | :) | 20:59 |
| shardy | ttx: haha ;) | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | so if we are 100% certain trusts will land then ill grant a FF exception | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | for myself lol | 20:59 |
| zaneb | shardy will blame keystone, no doubt ;) | 20:59 |
| ttx | hub_cap: we can continue the discussion in the incubated project section of the next meeting | 20:59 |
| * shardy looks for someone else to blame.. | 20:59 | |
| hub_cap | yes ttx | 20:59 |
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| ttx | let's close this one | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | im good w that | 20:59 |
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| ttx | final words ? | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | hugs | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | always hugs | 21:00 |
| * dolphm accepts the blame | 21:00 | |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 21:00:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-08-27-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-08-27-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-08-27-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | lol dolphm | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: still around ? | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
| markmc | yep | 21:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | alo | 21:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 21:01:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:01 |
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| ttx | A few date reminders: | 21:01 |
| ttx | Feature Freeze is EOD *Wednesday*, September 4 (next week) | 21:01 |
| ttx | Tomorrow Keystone hits FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:02 |
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| ttx | Nova, Cinder, Neutron and Heat are already under FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:02 |
| ttx | I also created havana-rc1 milestones so that you can start targetting bugs at it. | 21:02 |
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| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair: news from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:02 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:02 |
| annegentle | we'll meet tomorrow at 1300 UTC | 21:02 |
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| annegentle | #info Docs team meeting in #openstack-meeting Wed 1300 UTC, going to every other week meetings | 21:03 |
| jeblair | ttx: nak | 21:03 |
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| annegentle | About 25 people signed up for docs boot camp Sept 9-10 | 21:03 |
| annegentle | Plenty of docimpact bugs for all! | 21:03 |
| ttx | annegentle: anything else ? | 21:03 |
| jeblair | oh, please use the recheck system to help out with flakey tests that may be uncovered by running tempest in parallel | 21:03 |
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| clarkb | and try to attribute the flaky tests to bugs so that we know which tests are flakiest | 21:04 |
| ttx | ok, let's dive into project-specific stuff | 21:04 |
| annegentle | that's it | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:04 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:04 |
| markmc | clarkb, jeblair, carefully gardening the title of recheck bugs would help stop people choosing the wrong bugs as catch-all issues | 21:05 |
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| markmc | hey | 21:05 |
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| ttx | 100% done on the >Low priority, 2 Low blueprints left | 21:05 |
| markmc | so, there are 2 still open | 21:05 |
| markmc | right | 21:05 |
| markmc | here's the thing about those 2 | 21:05 |
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| markmc | they're both 100% new code, so don't disturb existing code | 21:05 |
| ttx | About guru-meditation-report: that's new code that wants to be common, not common code being factored out, right ? | 21:05 |
| markmc | if they landed closer to the release, they're not a regression risk | 21:05 |
| ttx | agreed | 21:06 |
| markmc | and they won't be merged into other projects because it's post feature freeze | 21:06 |
| * markmc half feels like giving the folks work on these a free pass | 21:06 | |
| markmc | but maybe I'm getting soft | 21:06 |
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| ttx | you're getting old | 21:06 |
| markmc | ok, just seems like a special case | 21:06 |
| ttx | markmc: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:06 |
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| markmc | downside is it distracts reviewers | 21:06 |
| markmc | only other thing is that the nova port to oslo.messaging is in good shape now | 21:07 |
| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39929/ | 21:07 |
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| ttx | yes, we'll cover it during the nova section | 21:07 |
| markmc | fixed a race condition, passes all tests now | 21:07 |
| markmc | cool | 21:07 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:07 |
| markmc | that's it for me, then | 21:07 |
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| markmc | oh, I'm away next week | 21:07 |
| * jgriffith yikes, sees big changes ahead for Cinder | 21:07 | |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:08 |
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| ttx | dolphm: hello! | 21:08 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:08 |
| ttx | 66% done, 33% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started | 21:08 |
| ttx | You have your FeatureProposalFreeze EOD tomorrow | 21:08 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:08 |
| ttx | endpoint-filtering looks like the only one that could miss it ? | 21:09 |
| dolphm | feature proposal freeze? | 21:09 |
| dolphm | actually that should be in review! | 21:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: a.k.a. "all code must be proposed" | 21:09 |
| dolphm | revised | 21:09 |
| dolphm | i mean, it is in review | 21:09 |
| ttx | ah ok | 21:09 |
| dolphm | 'good progress' was an understatement | 21:10 |
| ttx | so youre already good | 21:10 |
| dolphm | we did push two features | 21:10 |
| dolphm | store-quota-data and pagination-backend-support | 21:10 |
| ttx | How is filtering-backend-support review going ? | 21:10 |
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| dolphm | it sounds like the details are being debated a bit, but i don't think it's at risk for slipping | 21:11 |
| ttx | ok, land early, busy gate ahead | 21:11 |
| ttx | You also have 13 bugs targeted to H3 | 21:11 |
| ttx | And two of them are not assigned to anyone. Could you have a look and see who can do them (or defer them if they are not H3-critical) ? | 21:11 |
| dolphm | most are likely not h3-critical.. i just wanted to red flag them early as potential RC blockers | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, we'll move them to rc1 next week then. Anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:12 |
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| ttx | Questions about Keystone anyone ? | 21:13 |
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| dolphm | just that there have been lots of rechecks this week pointing at keystone -- hoping to get that worked out soon! | 21:13 |
| dolphm | keystoneclient* | 21:13 |
| ttx | some confusion over the stable/grizzly branch too | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:13 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:14 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:14 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:14 |
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| ttx | 40% done, 30% under review, 30% in progress, 0% not started | 21:14 |
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| ttx | Still a lot to do, with worrying lack of progress on the High-prio stuff | 21:14 |
| jd__ | eglynn just came back and pushed a lot of stuff actually | 21:14 |
| ttx | Could you give us an update on the status of api-group-by ? | 21:14 |
| jd__ | so they are more under review than ever | 21:14 |
| jd__ | api-group-by is almost done, some part are already merged | 21:15 |
| jd__ | we only need a final patch to get in | 21:15 |
| ttx | eglynn's stuff is alarm-service-partitioner/alarm-audit-api -- think that can make it in the coming week ? | 21:15 |
| jd__ | I hope so yep | 21:15 |
| ttx | At this point you have a lot of "Not started" blueprints that are going to be a review distraction. I'd suggest you defer them to "next" ? | 21:16 |
| jd__ | well, I don't mind but I don't think that'll help | 21:16 |
| jd__ | people don't look at bps before reviewing | 21:16 |
| jd__ | they just go through Gerrit… | 21:16 |
| ttx | they should :) | 21:16 |
| jd__ | so if code's submitted, it may be reviewed | 21:16 |
| jd__ | agreed, but Gerrit doesn't help with that :) | 21:17 |
| ttx | It's also about communicating the havana featureset. If it's very unlikely to make it, it should be moved | 21:17 |
| jd__ | sure, everything's that's not started can be removed | 21:17 |
| ttx | but then, FF is next week so we can do that then | 21:17 |
| jd__ | ack! | 21:17 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:17 |
| jd__ | nah | 21:18 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:18 |
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| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | hi | 21:18 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:18 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.9.3 | 21:18 |
| ttx | As far as timing is concerned, it would be good to have your rc1 somewhere between September 19th and October 8th | 21:19 |
| notmyname | we can do that :-) | 21:19 |
| ttx | (not too early, not too late) | 21:19 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:19 |
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| * notmyname needs to get LP back up to speed | 21:19 | |
| hub_cap | hehe | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I don't have anything to raise | 21:19 |
| notmyname | EC is going well | 21:19 |
| ttx | ok, thx! | 21:20 |
| ttx | Questions about Swift ? | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | dumb Q, whats EC? | 21:20 |
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| ttx | erasure codes | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | cool thx! | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:20 |
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| markwash | o/ | 21:20 |
| * markwash just made it back in time! | 21:20 | |
| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:20 |
| ttx | I slowed down to let you come back. | 21:21 |
| markwash | haha | 21:21 |
| ttx | 66% done, 33% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started | 21:21 |
| ttx | Good progress | 21:21 |
| ttx | I see api-v2-property-protection is "Needs code review" now, so the code is fully proposed at this point ? | 21:21 |
| markwash | yes, I was impressed, especially with your favorite, protected properties | 21:21 |
| markwash | ttx yes, as I understand it | 21:21 |
| markwash | ttx I still need to deep-dive on the review, but my first looks indicate that only minor changes would be needed | 21:21 |
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| ttx | markwash: good news | 21:22 |
| ttx | Would be great to fix bug 1213241 before havana-3. Are you or bcwaldon working on it ? | 21:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1213241 in glance "Pickled data in Glance database enables remote code execution" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213241 | 21:22 |
| markwash | not at the moment | 21:22 |
| markwash | but I think we can pull something off | 21:22 |
| * markwash revs engines | 21:22 | |
| ttx | that can be done post-FF, before we publish h3 | 21:23 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:23 |
| markwash | ttx: I have a question about post-FF | 21:23 |
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| markwash | can we do the version bump in that timeframe? | 21:23 |
| markwash | want to expose api v2.2 for the new features we have added | 21:23 |
| ttx | markwash: ideally that would happen /before/ FF | 21:24 |
| ttx | but if it's a matter of days we can probably give that an exception | 21:24 |
| markwash | ttx okay | 21:24 |
| markwash | ttx I'll bump up the priority from random thought to sticky-note | 21:24 |
| ttx | sounds good | 21:24 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:25 |
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| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:25 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:25 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:25 |
| ttx | I see two exceptions to your FeatureFreezeProposal | 21:26 |
| ttx | is that correct ? | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | yeah… I had to give myself one | 21:26 |
| ttx | you mean two | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | correct | 21:26 |
| ttx | heh | 21:26 |
| ttx | 43% done, 52% under review, 4% in progress, 0% not started | 21:26 |
| ttx | Not a whole lot of progress since last week, which is a bit worrying | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | a lot of patches has been seen revises in response to feedback | 21:27 |
| ttx | how far are you from proposing code for ipv6-feature-parity and configurable-ip-allocation ? | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | fairly close.. most is code we run internally so it is just finishing the upstreaming | 21:28 |
| ttx | ok | 21:28 |
| ttx | How are reviews going over the 3 other "High" stuff ? making steady progress ? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | yes.. all three are fairly close to landing | 21:29 |
| ttx | Cool. You have one untriaged blueprint: neutron-fwaas-explicit-commit (with some code proposed) | 21:29 |
| ttx | and finally... you also have a significant number of H3-targeted bugs :) | 21:30 |
| ttx | busy week ahead | 21:30 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | yeah busy week indeed… nothing new to raise | 21:30 |
| ttx | Questions on Neutron ? | 21:30 |
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| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:31 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hola! | 21:31 |
| jgriffith | howdy | 21:31 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:31 |
| ttx | Looks like you are really under FeatureProposalFreeze, congrats :) | 21:31 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:31 |
| ttx | But then that highlights the very high number of reviews you have to complete ! | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | Couple attempts to sneak here and there | 21:32 |
| ttx | Looking good on the >Low stuff: | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | So the good news is they're all active | 21:32 |
| ttx | 60% done, 40% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | Slow response times though | 21:32 |
| ttx | How is windows-storage-driver-extended review going ? | 21:32 |
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| jgriffith | I"m pretty comfortable we'll be in good shape end of week | 21:32 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: I had a couple nits on that this morning | 21:32 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: I expect that one to land today | 21:33 |
| ttx | cool | 21:33 |
| ttx | On another note, nobody is assigned to critical bug 1202896 yet. | 21:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202896 in nova "quota_usage data constantly out of sync" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202896 | 21:33 |
| * jgriffith runs away | 21:33 | |
| ttx | would be nice to have someone on it if it really is critical | 21:33 |
| hub_cap | i think jgriffith stepped out to find someone :P | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, it's going to be me I think, but while it's targetted I figure features first | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | since we'll freeze on that front | 21:34 |
| ttx | jgriffith: agreed | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | hub_cap: nahh... ran away screaming to hide | 21:34 |
| ttx | just better if it's on someone's todo list | 21:34 |
| * jgriffith hates quota bugs | 21:34 | |
| jgriffith | I'll take it right now | 21:34 |
| * ttx hates quotas | 21:34 | |
| ttx | jgriffith: anything else on your mind ? | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | ttx: even better! | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | Nope don't think so | 21:35 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | come on, ask | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | every week and no questions | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | except from ttx | 21:35 |
| ttx | yeah, I should just drop that sentence | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 21:35 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:35 |
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| ttx | Nova.. ah, Nova. | 21:35 |
| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:35 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:36 |
| russellb | hey | 21:36 |
| russellb | doesn't that list look fun? | 21:36 |
| ttx | Same remark as for Cinder. You got the FPF locked down but still a huge review effort to go: | 21:36 |
| russellb | yeah, a huge amount isn't going to make it | 21:36 |
| ttx | 40% done, 60% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started | 21:36 |
| russellb | we're merging stuff, but it's been a little slow | 21:36 |
| russellb | compared to the amount there is | 21:36 |
| russellb | but i think it's just bandwidth reality | 21:36 |
| russellb | so i'm pushing stuff out as i find good reasons to | 21:36 |
| ttx | Looking at the "High" priority stuff, wanted your input on: | 21:36 |
| ttx | compute-api-objects: looks like there is still a long way to go ? | 21:37 |
| russellb | lots of reviews at least, yes | 21:37 |
| russellb | but should be all up for review | 21:37 |
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| * ttx tried to push some but there are prereqs that need to be completed first | 21:37 | |
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| ttx | you moved live-migration-to-conductor out ? | 21:38 |
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| russellb | implemented | 21:38 |
| ttx | oh, done. | 21:38 |
| russellb | all patches merged now | 21:38 |
| ttx | cold-migration-to-conductor looked a bit WIP to me when I last looked | 21:38 |
| russellb | yes, last patch seems to have stalled | 21:39 |
| russellb | good chance that one won't make it | 21:39 |
| russellb | though it's not marked WIP anymore | 21:39 |
| russellb | so i guess it's ready for review | 21:39 |
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| russellb | competing for review time with the 400 other things | 21:39 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39936/ is still WIP | 21:39 |
| ttx | Anything else which looks a bit in danger to you ? | 21:40 |
| russellb | all of it | 21:40 |
| russellb | :) | 21:40 |
| ttx | yay | 21:40 |
| russellb | but just because of review bandwidth | 21:40 |
| russellb | i suspect i'm going to have a lot of fun with everyone who gets upset | 21:40 |
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| russellb | i don't know what else to do | 21:40 |
| ttx | looks like there will be some fun and competition around FF exceptions next week | 21:40 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:40 |
| ttx | On the bugs side, would be great to have someone working on bug 1216720, which is a regression apparently | 21:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1216720 in nova "Security groups with source groups no longer work" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216720 | 21:41 |
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| russellb | oh, hm ... | 21:41 |
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| ttx | Also bug 1184470 and bug 1134650 are targeted to H3 but have nobody assigned to them | 21:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184470 in nova "baremetal driver needs a state between "building" and "deploying"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184470 | 21:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1134650 in nova "instance_type extra_specs should be in system_metadata" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1134650 | 21:41 |
| russellb | ah, regression from the security fix | 21:41 |
| russellb | need to let vishy know about it | 21:41 |
| ttx | russellb: That's all I had. Anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:41 |
| russellb | don't think so ... just been thinking about how we can do better next cycle | 21:42 |
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| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:43 |
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| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:43 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:43 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:43 |
| ttx | Looks like you have one exception to your FPF, which I think is ok... | 21:43 |
| ttx | ...given that you're in good shape otherwise: | 21:43 |
| shardy | Looking OK I think, apart from heat-trusts which is up as a WIP review | 21:43 |
| ttx | 66% done, 29% under review, 3% in progress, 0% not started | 21:43 |
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| shardy | will be ready for review tomorrow when I've finished the tests | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | shardy: a man with my own heart | 21:44 |
| ttx | What about multiple-engines ? | 21:44 |
| hub_cap | *after | 21:44 |
| shardy | ttx: that is Ready for review, just pinged the assignee a minute ago | 21:44 |
| ttx | ok | 21:44 |
| ttx | Note: you also have a lot of bugs targeted to H3 | 21:44 |
| shardy | there was a mistake with the commit message tag which is getting fixed | 21:44 |
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| ttx | including 6 without an assignee yet | 21:45 |
| shardy | ttx: Yeah, I'm looking for assignees and we may well push some of those which aren't high priority out of h3 | 21:45 |
| ttx | shardy: right. target them to havana-rc1 instead | 21:46 |
| shardy | ttx: sure, will do | 21:46 |
| ttx | shardy: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:46 |
| shardy | not atm, thanks! | 21:46 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:46 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:46 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:46 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:46 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | I kicked a couple last BPs this morning and pared down the bug list. | 21:46 |
| * ttx refreshes | 21:47 | |
| gabrielhurley | a lot of those "need cod reviews" have a +2 already, so they're getting close | 21:47 |
| ttx | 52% done, 47% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | s/cod/code | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't anticipate needing any FFEs this time around | 21:47 |
| ttx | How are "ceilometer" and "rbac" reviews going ? Sound like two pretty important features | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | RBAC is pretty much where it's gonna be for the H release, which is to say it's a great start and we'll really build it out to every service in I | 21:48 |
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| gabrielhurley | Ceilometer has undergone a very long process, but we've got it to a place where there's a usable integration even if it's not everything the team would like | 21:48 |
| gabrielhurley | it has a long string of dependent reviews which are trying to get merged currently | 21:48 |
| ttx | ok, good | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | most of them are in the gate queue currently, the last one or two are in final review | 21:49 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | just review review review | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | that's about it | 21:49 |
| ttx | no kidding :) | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | oh | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | one thing actually | 21:49 |
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| gabrielhurley | due to Horizon having been the guinea pig on Transifex, we are slightly out of sync with the other projects in terms of source language, so we're gonna do a little restart and re-upload which hopefully won't lose translation data, but it's worth being aware of. | 21:50 |
| ttx | #info due to Horizon having been the guinea pig on Transifex, we are slightly out of sync with the other projects in terms of source language, so we're gonna do a little restart and re-upload which hopefully won't lose translation data, but it's worth being aware of. | 21:50 |
| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | gabrielhurley: what do u think the likelihood of trove support BP being reviewed/potentially merged is? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42228/ | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | that'll happen before string freeze to give everyone time for any updates/fixes | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | hub_cap: likely | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | (had that question loaded lol) | 21:51 |
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| hub_cap | gabrielhurley: cool. who should we ping to get it reviewed? | 21:51 |
| ttx | hub_cap: this is how I do it too | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | stick around for the horizon meeting in 10 minutes | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | gabrielhurley: roger | 21:51 |
| ttx | which brings us to... | 21:51 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:51 |
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| hub_cap | woo! | 21:51 |
| ttx | NobodyCam, hub_cap: hello! | 21:52 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | my integration status is in jeopardy! | 21:52 |
| NobodyCam | Again Nothing super exciting to report. We are slowly making progress forward! | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | what is "i need trust support" for 500 alec | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | *alex | 21:52 |
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| hub_cap | but srsly, can we discuss what happens if trusts dont make it into H | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | and my heat support only works with devstack :) | 21:53 |
| ttx | hub_cap: personally I would grant it a FFe if it needs a few more days. Worst case scenario we'd blame Heat rather than Trove for missing the target | 21:53 |
| hub_cap | i think a FFE is in my mind already | 21:54 |
| shardy | ttx: well to be fair, the first I heard of Trove's hard-requirement for trusts was today.. | 21:54 |
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| hub_cap | shardy: to be fair, /me was a dummy and assumed heat worked w/ tokens | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | so that is really my fault | 21:55 |
| ttx | shardy: that's true, but otoh this was a "high" prio blueprint so it's not completely unreasonable to assume that it would land :P | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | shardy: is there a FFE for trusts? | 21:55 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: It may not need one | 21:55 |
| shardy | hub_cap: The WIP patch was posted before the FFE | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | or, is there another way to get heat to work w/o a password for creates? | 21:55 |
| shardy | or FPF rather | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | oh makes sense | 21:56 |
| * hub_cap is still new to these acronyms | 21:56 | |
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| ttx | FFE= Feature freeze exception, i.e. if you want to land that feature post feature-freeze | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | i can also post my review as WIP quickly. its got a good bit of work done | 21:57 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:57 |
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| shardy | hub_cap: The only thing which won't work is autoscaling, or at least that should be the case | 21:57 |
| shardy | hub_cap: from what zaneb says earlier, there's some authtoken middleware bug we're being bitten by too | 21:57 |
| ttx | lifeless: wanted to throw a quick status update for tripleO ? | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | shardy: we dont use autoscaling (yet!) | 21:57 |
| shardy | hub_cap: let's continue in #heat ;) | 21:57 |
| lifeless | ttx: hey sure | 21:57 |
| zaneb | shardy: the impression I got was that it was intentional | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | shardy: im travelling tomorrow / getting ready tonight, so lets talk thr | 21:58 |
| lifeless | we're in good shape - sprint is in two.5 weeks time | 21:58 |
| ttx | hub_cap: don't lose sleep over that. It's close enough I think | 21:58 |
| zaneb | because most of heat doesn't really work with token-only today | 21:58 |
| lifeless | we'll be ensuring that there is a release of all the client tools so that folk which want frozen code can do that | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | ill chat you guys up in 48hr zaneb shardy | 21:58 |
| shardy | zaneb: I'd like stevebaker's opinion on that, AIUI he sent several patches designed to ensure it did.. | 21:58 |
| lifeless | and hopefully we'll have a minimal deploy-full-cloud-story in the gate either before I opens or just after | 21:58 |
| lifeless | done | 21:58 |
| shardy | hub_cap: OK | 21:58 |
| ttx | lifeless: thx | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 21:59 |
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| stevebaker | hi | 21:59 |
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| ttx | famous last words, anyone ? | 21:59 |
| shardy | stevebaker: we'll continue in #heat ;) | 21:59 |
| zaneb | shardy, stevebaker: maybe it's just a case of swapping in different middleware? | 21:59 |
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| hub_cap | hugs | 21:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 21:59:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-27-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-27-21.01.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-27-21.01.log.html | 21:59 |
| ttx | htx everyone | 22:00 |
| ttx | thx* | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 22:00:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | Hi everyone | 22:00 |
| david-lyle | Hello | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | heyo | 22:00 |
| jcoufal | hey there | 22:00 |
| kspear_ | hi | 22:00 |
| lblanchard | hey hey | 22:00 |
| vkmc | Hi! | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | It's gonna be a short meeting today (at least for me). I need to leave no later than 3:30 | 22:00 |
| vasiliy | hi | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | thankfully, I don't think there's a lot of overall business | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | The main thing is making sure that everything in code review lands this week | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | pretty much as simple as that | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | any blueprint without code proposed is bumped | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | and the bug list is down to barely more than what's in review already | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | I still believe everything is on track | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | we just need to focus on quick turnaround for reviews and patch updates based on those reviews this week | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | also, keep in mind that we can bugfix in the RC1 period | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | just no new features | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | we'll have several weeks to correct anything we're ont 100% happy with then | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | so I encourage (slightly) more lenient reviews and follow-on bug tickets for improvements if something looks to be in jeopardy | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | Of course if things are deeply flawed that I'm not aware of you should still say so | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | ;-) | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | anyhow | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | in other news the transifex/translation fixes sound like they're planned out and ready to happen this week thanks to Daisy and jpich. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | so that's good | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | Let's do a quick blueprint review... | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | The two high priority ones are the ones I've been following most closely | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | RBAC looks to me like it's in the final stages of good-to-go | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | great job with that | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | Ceilometer looks like it's winding it's way through all the dependency merges, but is generally coming together | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | I think making that more interesting will be a nice Icehouse target | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | I believe hub_cap is still around to beg for reviews on the Trove patch ;-) | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | :) | 22:06 |
| cp16net | +1 | 22:06 |
| * hub_cap grovels | 22:06 | |
| hub_cap | oh great gods of the horizon | 22:06 |
| hub_cap | let it be known that the peons of today want trove panels | 22:07 |
| hub_cap | let there be trove! | 22:07 |
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| hub_cap | so um ya, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42228/ plz | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | that one's gotten relatively little attention so far. I glanced through the code and didn't see any red flags, but haven't run it or anything yet... I'd love to see that get in this week. So if anyone is interested please dig in. I can probably be a final reviewer on it Friday or this weekend. | 22:07 |
| cp16net | that would be gravy | 22:08 |
| timductive | Ive been looking at it a bit | 22:08 |
| timductive | Trove hasn't been super easy to get running:/ | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | hub_cap: any comment on that? | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | im not sure what timductive's issues are | 22:08 |
| hub_cap | robertmeyers and the rest of the crew are avail in #openstack-trove to answer | 22:08 |
| timductive | yeah I talked with robertmeyers | 22:09 |
| hub_cap | we have another guy working on docs for an existing devstack installation | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 to docs | 22:09 |
| hub_cap | and our devstack review is also being reviewed | 22:09 |
| hub_cap | and shoudl be merged in the next few | 22:09 |
| timductive | yeah I think it looks great overall :) | 22:09 |
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| hub_cap | ill be travelling for 48hr but ill be avail thr usa time to answer any Q's / help get it runnin | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | okay, well, feedback is welcome on that review | 22:10 |
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| hub_cap | yesplz | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | and I will look when I can before next week's deadline | 22:10 |
| hub_cap | <3 gabrielhurley timductive et.al. | 22:10 |
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| gabrielhurley | I do want to call attention to one other blueprint which I think is in danger: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/define-flavor-for-project | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | that one's had a rough life of being not-quite-right on each review, then being abandoned, then reopened and lather rinse repeat | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | I'd love to see it land but it introduces a shocking amount of permutations | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | and openstack is notoriously bad about the concept of ownership and permissions | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | so without some significant love this week it may have to slip to I | 22:12 |
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| kspear_ | gabrielhurley: i'll be reviewing that shortly, hopefully it's not too far off | 22:13 |
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| gabrielhurley | cool. I'll be interested to see what you think | 22:13 |
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| gabrielhurley | it's got some comments from jpich currently, and I've reviewed it twice before and emailed with the author a bit | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | it's not impossible to land it, just tricky | 22:13 |
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| kspear_ | gabrielhurley: if need be i'll help with the rebasing etc | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | awesome, thanks | 22:14 |
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| kspear_ | gabrielhurley: any response from the author though? | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | it varies | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | sometimes quick, sometimes not | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | kinda like with me ;-) | 22:14 |
| kspear_ | gabrielhurley: haha, understood | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | Otherwise, the rest of the BPs look like they're within a patchset or two of being mergeable, and that can totally happen this week. | 22:14 |
| david-lyle | I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-chart.js may have just become a dependency of the ceilometer bp, if I understand the git review dependencies correctly. So we may want to target that for H-3. | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | I looked through everything this morning and left actual reviews on a couple | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: you are correct. I missed that BP but saw the reviews (even +2'd them) | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll add that to the H3 list | 22:16 |
| absubram__ | habrielhurley: hi.. my BP should is in better shape from last week too :) | 22:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | all better now | 22:16 |
| absubram__ | I have been having some issues with jenkins.. hopefully the version I sent for review just before the meeting should ok ok | 22:16 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: I don't think ceilometer will contain much graphs for H3, so I don't think it's that important now, if we can't make it | 22:16 |
| jcoufal | but better sooner than later | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | absubram__: sounds good. will check again this week | 22:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: it's actually already being merged | 22:16 |
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| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: ah, great | 22:17 |
| absubram__ | I know I mentioned I'd add tests.. hopefully that'll be done sometime today or early tomorrow.. I will also update the BP with instructions and a link to a demo which I promised.. | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | absubram__: yeom definitely needs to happen | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks | 22:17 |
| absubram__ | yes.. sorry.. just that each time I've hit a different issue.. but I am more confident now that it's ok :) | 22:18 |
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| absubram__ | just wanted to bring to attention though.. anyone test the latest version of master? I just rebased a half hour back and dashboard seems to be broken.. even without any of my changes | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | I haven't updated/run anything today | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | so I'm not sure | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | jcoufal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35589/ depends on it, I guess that BP's not targeted for H-3 but it has a +2 | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | or actually that is the ceilometer bp so it is H-3 | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | there's a whole lot of ceilometer going on | 22:21 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: yeah, I know, I talked with lsmola | 22:21 |
| jcoufal | but wasn't aware of the dependency, it wasn't mentioned during our discussion | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, there's a bunch of reviews tied to that | 22:22 |
| jcoufal | all ok then, sorry for confusion | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | the dependency is expressed in gerrit, but not so clearly in the BP(s) | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | I think getting the base of a charting library in H3 would be beneficial, flesh it out further in I | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | agreed | 22:22 |
| jcoufal | definitely agree | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm gonna open things up for discussion | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:22 | |
| gabrielhurley | I'm gonna take off in a few minutes here, so any last minute agenda items from folks? | 22:23 |
| vasiliy | gabrielhurley: patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41728/ blueprnt: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume Full implementation of this blueprint is completed. Please review and approve patch for merging into GIT if everything is ok - one week before code freeze :) Latest patch set has following changes: tab "Volumes" was moved to "Details" and called as "Instance Boot Source" section in | 22:23 |
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| gabrielhurley | ah, I looked at that this morning and it looked like Jenkins was having problems. Glad to see it's +1'd now | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll follow up on that one again, and hopefully others will as well | 22:24 |
| vasiliy | yes - jenkins several times didn't want to set +1 :) | 22:24 |
| vasiliy | we discussed this patch last week | 22:24 |
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| gabrielhurley | it's been especially unstable lately | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | not sure why | 22:24 |
| david-lyle | load and then parallelization of tempest runs | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | load killing things is :-( | 22:25 |
| david-lyle | they seem to be doing a good job sorting it out | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | they being infra | 22:26 |
| jcoufal | I have one thing not related necessary to H3, but still wanted to bring attention for that | 22:27 |
| jcoufal | there is ongoing work on upgrade bootstrap to v3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-update | 22:27 |
| jcoufal | and it is blocked by new lessc compiler | 22:27 |
| jcoufal | it looks that there is some bug which doesn't allow new bootstrap less code to go through (error) | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | hmmm.. maybe work with lesscpy folks to find the root of the error and get it working? | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | good to know either way | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | we'll need to address that for I | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | anyhow, I have to get going | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | keep talking if y'all like | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | and review review review | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | :-) | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 22:29:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-27-22.00.html | 22:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-27-22.00.txt | 22:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-27-22.00.log.html | 22:29 |
| jcoufal | yeah, I guess nobody from lesscpy is here | 22:29 |
| jcoufal | anyway thanks guys | 22:29 |
| jcoufal | have a good day | 22:30 |
| vasiliy | you too | 22:30 |
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| lblanchard | see you all | 22:30 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone | 22:30 |
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