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| mestery | hi | 13:59 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 14:00:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
| Sukhdev | good morning | 14:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:00 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: good morning! | 14:00 |
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| mestery | I wanted to again highlight the ML2 wiki page. | 14:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ML2 ML2 Wiki page | 14:01 |
| mestery | But I wanted to focus the meeting on blueprints and bugs today. | 14:01 |
| mestery | #topic Blueprints and Bugs | 14:01 |
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| mestery | The H3 feature proposal freeze is within sight now. | 14:02 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/neutron-ml2-docs ML2 Documentation Blueprint | 14:02 |
| mestery | I'm hoping to get started on this this week, and apech has volunteered to help. | 14:02 |
| apech | mestery: yup, happy to help, just need to be pointed in the right direction :) | 14:03 |
| mestery | apech: Agreed, I will syncup with you before the end of the week. | 14:03 |
| apech | great | 14:03 |
| mestery | Documentation for ML2 will be important given it's a new plugin and exposes new capabilities to users. | 14:03 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ml2-portbinding ML2 Port Binding | 14:04 |
| mestery | rkukura: Hi! | 14:04 |
| rkukura | trying to push a WIP patch set right now | 14:04 |
| rkukura | the plugin changes are about 90% implemented | 14:05 |
| mestery | rkukura: Great! I know you're technically on vacation, so whatever you can do is great! | 14:05 |
| rkukura | need to implement mech driver for agents | 14:05 |
| mestery | rkukura: OK, makes sense. | 14:05 |
| rkukura | I'll post updated WIPs until its ready to review | 14:05 |
| mestery | rkukura: So this will essentially remove the OVS/LB code from the core plugin and move it to a mech driver? | 14:05 |
| rkukura | should make Friday's deadline | 14:05 |
| mestery | awesome | 14:05 |
| rkukura | maybe not completely | 14:05 |
| mestery | ok | 14:06 |
| rkukura | this will deal with picking which segment and vif_driver are used | 14:06 |
| mestery | Got it | 14:06 |
| rkukura | followon work could move more of the RPC details to the drivers | 14:06 |
| mestery | That sounds like a good icehouse blueprint. :) | 14:06 |
| rkukura | right | 14:07 |
| mestery | Great! Any questions on port binding? | 14:07 |
| rkukura | https://review.openstack.org/43129 | 14:07 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Not found. | 14:07 |
| mestery | Permissions issue? | 14:07 |
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| Sukhdev | cant open either | 14:08 |
| rkukura | looks like draft != WIP | 14:08 |
| mestery | If you mark it WIP then we can see it I assume. | 14:08 |
| rkukura | should be fixed now | 14:09 |
| HenryG | Or add specific people to the draft | 14:09 |
| mestery | Works now, thanks rkukura. | 14:09 |
| rcurran | fixed | 14:09 |
| Sukhdev | yuo - now it is working | 14:09 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-multi-segment-api ML2 Multi-Segment API | 14:10 |
| mestery | Now that arosen's multi provider net patch has merged (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33736/), I plan to base the ML2 multi-segment work on that API. | 14:10 |
| rkukura | noticed arosen's extension just got merged | 14:10 |
| mestery | So I'm hoping to get a WIP patch out by Friday. | 14:10 |
| rkukura | cool | 14:10 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, and that will help because I plan to use that as the basis. :) | 14:10 |
| mestery | So ideally by Friday I'll have a WIP patch sent out. | 14:11 |
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| mestery | Any questions for multi-segment? | 14:11 |
| rkukura | probably need to get WIP removed to make H deadline | 14:11 |
| rkukura | but not sure about that | 14:12 |
| mestery | Before Friday? | 14:12 |
| mestery | I'll ping markmcclain about that to verify, thanks rkukura. | 14:12 |
| apech | mestery: do you think multi-segment will require existing mech drivers to have to change, even if they don't support multi-segment? | 14:12 |
| apech | or will it be fairly transparent | 14:12 |
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| rkukura | each mech driver should only deal with a single segment | 14:12 |
| mestery | It should be transparant | 14:13 |
| rkukura | portbinding should pick the segment/driver combo to use | 14:13 |
| apech | thanks | 14:13 |
| mestery | OK, moving on to the next agenda item | 14:13 |
| rkukura | of course multiple segments could use the same driver, but drivers shouldn't worry about that, except during binding | 14:13 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, makes sense. | 14:14 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33736/ Enable GRE and VXLAN with the same ID | 14:14 |
| feleouet | hi | 14:14 |
| mestery | This one is ready to merge, in fact, rkukura, if you could review it you may even approve it if it looks ok. | 14:14 |
| mestery | feleouet has been very responsive to comments and this will be a nice addition | 14:14 |
| feleouet | I'm about to submit a patch to adress the last review comments | 14:15 |
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| rkukura | wrong link? | 14:15 |
| mestery | I think markmcclain had comments around creating a constant for table identifiers. | 14:15 |
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| mestery | Sorry: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41239/ | 14:15 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41239/ Enable GRE and VXLAN with the same ID | 14:15 |
| rkukura | I will review ASAP, although that might be early next week | 14:16 |
| feleouet | yes, I've adressed these comments, as well as some tipos | 14:16 |
| mestery | feleouet: I'll review again once you push a new version with fixes for latest comments | 14:16 |
| rkukura | will be offline Sat and Sun | 14:16 |
| feleouet | mestery: ok, thanks | 14:16 |
| mestery | feleouet: Awesome. rkukura, I'll work with another core since you're on vacation, don't worry. | 14:16 |
| mestery | Moving on to the next item. | 14:17 |
| feleouet | maybe one comment about this patch | 14:17 |
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| mestery | feleouet: OK | 14:17 |
| feleouet | there may be a bug in test_ovs_lib which is quite weak now | 14:17 |
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| feleouet | (I was trying to add some tests) | 14:17 |
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| feleouet | but they may should be adressed in another bug right? | 14:18 |
| mestery | feleouet: Yes, I would file a different bug. | 14:18 |
| feleouet | Ok, great | 14:18 |
| mestery | feleouet: Anything else? | 14:19 |
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| feleouet | not more about this bug, we may discuss about testing offline | 14:19 |
| mestery | OK | 14:19 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41213/ Arista ML2 MechanismDriver | 14:19 |
| mestery | This one looks very close to merging I believe. | 14:20 |
| mestery | Nice work Sukhdev on addressing comments! | 14:20 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks | 14:20 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: I replied in gerritt to the setup.cfg item we had talked about yesterday. | 14:20 |
| Sukhdev | I will push an updated patch today | 14:20 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Great! | 14:20 |
| mestery | Any questions on the Arista driver? | 14:20 |
| rkukura | yes | 14:21 |
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| rkukura | Am I correct that this driver works in conjunction with one of the existing agent's drivers, and thus should not need to implement the portbinding? | 14:21 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: not sure I understood the question | 14:22 |
| apech | it would work in conjunction with a virtual switch driver (OVS, LinuxBridge, etc) | 14:22 |
| apech | I'm not sure if that means we wouldn't need to implement portbinding | 14:23 |
| apech | I must admit that I don't know the details of what portbinding does well enough | 14:23 |
| rkukura | With the ml2-portbinding code, there will be a mech driver for one of the L2 agents that will do the binding | 14:23 |
| rkukura | It seems the arista driver will need to use the segment details that get selected during portbinding | 14:23 |
| apech | yes, that's right | 14:23 |
| Sukhdev | yes that is right | 14:24 |
| Sukhdev | we have everything except for the port name | 14:24 |
| Sukhdev | we hope to get it when the port binding gets implemented | 14:24 |
| rkukura | The arista driver will need to use PortContext.bound_segment() | 14:24 |
| rkukura | just a heads up that we'll need to orchestrate merging these BPs | 14:24 |
| Sukhdev | yes, and I am assuming this will give us the host ID and port name, etc. | 14:25 |
| mestery | rkukura: If Arista goes in first, they can submit a bug to hook into port binding afterwards I believe, right? | 14:25 |
| rkukura | all the attributes of the port, including binding:host_id and name should be available | 14:25 |
| rkukura | mestery: correct | 14:25 |
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| rkukura | The arista driver has made the deadline, as far as I'm concerned | 14:25 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev apech: Since your patch is likely to merge first, you guys should open a bug to track integration with port binding. | 14:26 |
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| rkukura | good plan | 14:26 |
| Sukhdev | sure, we can open the bug | 14:26 |
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| mestery | #action Sukhdev to file bug to track Arista MechanismDriver integration with port binding blueprint. | 14:26 |
| rkukura | please let me know if the driver_api updates in ml2-portbinding look like they will suffice | 14:26 |
| apech | will do | 14:27 |
| rkukura | thx | 14:27 |
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| mestery | And this segways nicely into the next agenda item: the Cisco Nexus ML2 MechanismDriver | 14:27 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ml2-md-cisco-nexus Cisco Nexus MechanismDriver | 14:28 |
| mestery | rcurran: here? | 14:28 |
| rcurran | hi | 14:28 |
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| rcurran | slowed down a tad by the cisco subplugin UT port | 14:28 |
| rcurran | mech driver done | 14:28 |
| rcurran | db mig done | 14:28 |
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| mestery | rcurran: Possible to post a review today? | 14:29 |
| rcurran | will work throught the UT and get something out by H3 deadline for sure | 14:29 |
| mestery | Even WIP for today, updated to review in progress tomorrow? | 14:29 |
| rcurran | ok, i can do that | 14:29 |
| mestery | cool | 14:29 |
| mestery | Anything else on the Cisco Mech driver? | 14:29 |
| rcurran | nope | 14:30 |
| rcurran | from me that is :-) | 14:30 |
| mestery | :) | 14:30 |
| rkukura | so my understanding is that this driver will need to implement the port binding functions | 14:30 |
| rcurran | pb will make things cleaner | 14:30 |
| rkukura | we should be able to work that out next week | 14:30 |
| rcurran | we get hostname from keystone today | 14:30 |
| rcurran | same as plugins/cisco | 14:30 |
| mestery | I'll be on PTO next week, so rkukura, if you could work closely with rcurran on that, it would be great! | 14:31 |
| rkukura | sure | 14:31 |
| mestery | OK next agenda item | 14:31 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37647/ Tail-f NCS MechanismDriver | 14:31 |
| mestery | This review has seen some good progress as well. | 14:32 |
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| mestery | I don't know if Luke Gorrie is here to answer questions, but I wanted to bring this review to the attention of hte larger ML2 team. | 14:32 |
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| rkukura | I'd like to see a README on this one | 14:33 |
| mestery | Yes, and also an example .ini file. | 14:33 |
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| mestery | I'll file comments in the review for both of those. | 14:33 |
| mestery | So, the last item on the BP agenda was devstack discussion | 14:34 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40882/ ML2 devstack MechanismDriver integration | 14:34 |
| mestery | I moved this patch to WIP for now | 14:34 |
| mestery | As it failed to address the case of a MD having multiple .ini sections. | 14:34 |
| mestery | rcurran and I discussed this, and I have a way forward, but have not had time to implement this yet. | 14:35 |
| mestery | Any questions, suggestions, ideas on ML2 devstack? | 14:36 |
| Sukhdev | I sent out the email earlier - I tested it for Arista Driver - worked just fine | 14:36 |
| rkukura | one ml2-portbinding is merged, devstack will need to configure the L2 agents' mech drivers by default | 14:36 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, we should file a bug to track that work. | 14:36 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks for testing this out. | 14:36 |
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| mestery | #topic Icehouse ML2 Work | 14:37 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Icehouse_ML2_work_for_reference Icehouse ML2 Items | 14:37 |
| mestery | I moved some items we had been discussing to the Icehouse section, see the link above. | 14:37 |
| mestery | I don't want to discuss them now, just highlight them here. | 14:37 |
| mestery | I imagine we'll want to start thinking about Ml2 Icehouse design sessions soon as well. | 14:38 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:38 |
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| mestery | Just a note, I'll be on PTO next week, and likely won't have access to computers for at least half the week. | 14:39 |
| feleouet | one question anyway: we made good progress on l2-population implentation, don't you think it could get in for Havana? | 14:39 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Can you run the meeting next week on IRC? | 14:39 |
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| rkukura | I'd be happy to | 14:39 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks! | 14:39 |
| mestery | feleouet: If you think it can make Havana, then I'd be happy to review it and help make it so! | 14:39 |
| mestery | feleouet: It was marked WIP, so I put it under Icehouse, I'll move it back into the Havana bucket. | 14:40 |
| mestery | L2 population would be a great optimization to get into H3! | 14:40 |
| feleouet | mestery: great! we should soon push agent implementations | 14:40 |
| mestery | that sounds like a great plan feleouet! | 14:40 |
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| mestery | Thanks again for all the great Ml2 work from the team! | 14:41 |
| rkukura | Next week we need to focus on reviewing and merging | 14:41 |
| rkukura | one more thing: | 14:41 |
| mestery | rkukura: I agree 100%. | 14:41 |
| rkukura | Vote for http://www.openstack.org/rate/Presentation/openstack-neutron-modular-layer-2-plugin-deep-dive | 14:41 |
| mestery | rkukura: Nice plug. :) | 14:42 |
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| Sukhdev | sure will | 14:42 |
| feleouet | we'll surely do ;) | 14:42 |
| mestery | OK, thanks everyone, and thanks again to rkukura for running next week's ML2 meeting! | 14:42 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 14:42:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-08-21-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-08-21-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-08-21-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 15:01:12 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi everyone | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around for the meeting? | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | hmmm | 15:04 |
| BobBall | weird | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I am | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I was expecting this to highlight | 15:05 |
| BobBall | dunno why xenapi up there ^^ didn't cause me to sit up and take notice | 15:05 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | Sorry for the delayed start | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone else around | 15:05 |
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| matel | I am here. | 15:06 |
| BobBall | matel is ;) | 15:06 |
| BobBall | And we can pull euanh in if needed | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so people got stuff for the agenda? | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Let's go through the normal agend | 15:09 |
| BobBall | we have stuff to raise | 15:09 |
| BobBall | but only in the right place | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | no actions from last meeting I guess | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hows we doing on this front | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the merge freeze today | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so all changes need to be up today | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows we looking? | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | they are all up I thin | 15:11 |
| BobBall | k | 15:11 |
| BobBall | we've got a couple of BPs | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, cool | 15:11 |
| BobBall | including one late-bloomer (xenserver-core) | 15:11 |
| BobBall | but all changes are up and ready for review | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | are they all approved now? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | it's BP freeze now, right? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | yes, all approved | 15:11 |
| BobBall | feature freeze in a few days time | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, code needs to be uploaded today | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | merged by two weeks time | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | or something like that | 15:12 |
| BobBall | nice | 15:12 |
| BobBall | are we disabling git review for new patches? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | that'd be a good help to the reviewers ;) | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope, other bug patches are welcome still | 15:12 |
| BobBall | but yes, code is all uploaded | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | we just reserve the right to −2 any new patches that are blueprints | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope, bug patches are welcome until we ship | 15:13 |
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| matel | I guess one can modify its patch, right? | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | good point | 15:13 |
| matel | So I think we are good on this front. Bob did a great patch bombing. | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | all good | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Docs | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:15 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so any docs news | 15:15 |
| matel | johnthetubaguy: I was emailing on xs-devel regarding to image import/export, I added you to the last email, your input is more than welcome. | 15:15 |
| BobBall | yes lots of fun docs | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/redocument-xen was drafted | 15:16 |
| BobBall | although a noticeable percentage of those bugs are "we should document more configurations" | 15:16 |
| matel | I am looking at the docs right now, reading through the existing documentation. Spoke with anne, it seems that docs are heading towards a consolidated config manual. | 15:16 |
| BobBall | so I do not consider them as important as the base docs | 15:16 |
| ekarlso- | (wom 2+ | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | that seems fair | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | accuracy is more important I think | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so remove missleading stuff first | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | then add missing stuff | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: sorry, I hope to wade in on that, just not had chance | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, whats the timeframe on the docs stuff? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | patches coming soon? | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | feel free to ping me on IRC if I can help with "is that still true" questions | 15:20 |
| matel | I am not really expecting patches this week. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | no problem | 15:20 |
| matel | I am reading through the docs. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | Figuring out what to change this week we hope | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | this post freeze time is the perfect time to try and tidy up the docs | 15:20 |
| BobBall | and updating the wiki pages too | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we plan to port more of the wiki pages into the docs? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | obviously the devstack docs do not belong in the admin guide, but other than those | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | Quite possibly - there are things in the wiki that we know are missing from the admin guide | 15:21 |
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| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: patches are going on now to create the config guide | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | Of course, the big TODO on the docs is making stuff like that step by step guide using Ubuntu / Fedora packages, and making it work inside a DomU | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: cool, we should take a look at those | 15:22 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: the Compute Admin Guide will not have much left in it | 15:22 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: really the install/config docs are the focus | 15:22 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: not much "admin" -- more how do you get Compute running with xen | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: sounds good, that what I was hoping | 15:23 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: shaunm is Shaun McCance and is a contractor with Cisco working solely on the Install guide | 15:23 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: you can definitely check with him | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool, do you want to introduce me to him, in case I can help with quick questions? | 15:23 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: yep sure, come by #openstack-doc afterward | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: ah, OK, will do | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, sounds like good progress is happening there | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | shall we move on to bugs...? | 15:24 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:25 |
| BobBall | I've got a nice one | 15:25 |
| BobBall | or | 15:25 |
| BobBall | more importantly a nice fix | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:25 | |
| BobBall | I had an epiphany last night | 15:25 |
| BobBall | http://paste.openstack.org/show/44771/ is all that is needed to get things working on LVM-based SRs! | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Particularly with Mate's fix to allow upload/download of raw OVAs | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, are we going to look at fixing up that safe copy? | 15:26 |
| BobBall | Fixes things like https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1162382 | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1162382 in nova "LVM over ISCSI as default SR not working" [Low,Won't fix] | 15:26 |
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| BobBall | I need to really understand that issue | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you said we don't need it, if we check for VBDs being removed from Dom0? | 15:27 |
| BobBall | I haven't understood it fully yet | 15:27 |
| BobBall | I think that safe copy isn't needed at all | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | I think it was probably added by someone looking in dom0 rather than the code | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, it was added because there were races when the copy had not completed when that code returned | 15:27 |
| BobBall | the vdi.copy will block until it returns | 15:27 |
| BobBall | unless you use async copy | 15:27 |
| BobBall | and unless we've got parallel API calls - one to copy then the next to clone based on that copy or something - then it'll never be a problem | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats an interesting one, it may have originally being doing async when that was added, its worth a history did at some point | 15:28 |
| BobBall | I look a little at the history but didn't spot that | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be around cactus I think | 15:28 |
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| BobBall | Anyway - this patch is an easy one to accept because it doesn't affect the existing use cases | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | of ext - that behaves identically | 15:29 |
| BobBall | so current users wouldn't be affected at all. Guaranteed ;) | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | sort of, but we might introduce a sutible bug into the LVM support, which sounds bad | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | would rather we looked into the route cause myself | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | We're confident that there isn't one there | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | then we should look at the VHD case | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | what was the parallel calls you were talking about | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | copy on the same VDI? | 15:31 |
| matel | a sec, Bob has a guest | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | two copies on the same VDI, I mean? | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lol, OK | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | Let's move on | 15:32 |
| BobBall | I'l cehck the cause | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | gimme an action :) | 15:32 |
| BobBall | to track down the original commit | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action look up why VDI.copy work around was added | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action BobBall investigate VDI.copy workaround | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for bugs | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | just to say, once we pass feature freeze, it would be good to try and fix up some of the pending bugs we have in launchpad | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think I can get some time to do that, is anyone else likely to get some time on that? | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | It's planned yeah | 15:34 |
| BobBall | but we'll have to see how it goes | 15:35 |
| BobBall | there are other non-Havana things that we need to do for OS | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | such as fixing xenserver-core to work better under the havana base | 15:35 |
| BobBall | so while there is a code freeze for havana there isn't necessarily a date for Citrix this time :D | 15:35 |
| BobBall | And we want to do some prototyping of things | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | etc etc | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, so working on a private branch? might not be awesome if I am dropping a load of bug fixes | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | no | 15:36 |
| BobBall | xenserver-core is not in openstack's github | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, I see, working on xenserver-core | 15:37 |
| BobBall | anything that is developed will be pushed to gerrit etc | 15:37 |
| BobBall | even though it won't make H | 15:37 |
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| BobBall | i.e. if we do some prototype work that we might want to talk about at I summit then we can do that between now and release | 15:37 |
| BobBall | in fact we have to ;) | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, the idea of the period post feature freeze is to stabilze for the H release, so more help we can get the better, but clearly there are other priorities | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am certainly not about to do 100% on the bug fixing, doing similar prototyping here and there! | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK.. enough about bugs I guess | 15:38 |
| BobBall | We will be fixing bugs | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thats all good | 15:38 |
| BobBall | it all goes into the priority pot is all I'm saying | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, understood | 15:39 |
| BobBall | and some bugs are irrelevant :) | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | I'm glad to see we don't have any high bugs | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | if they are irrelevant, we can close them | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so let me know | 15:39 |
| BobBall | and the mediums could b e lows | 15:39 |
| BobBall | irrelevant is also possibly low | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage#Task_2:_Prioritize_confirmed_bugs_.28bug_supervisors.29 | 15:40 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1161471 for example could be low because we don't recommend 3-part images in production ;) | 15:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161471 in nova "xenapi: guest kernel not cleaned up" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | •Medium if the bug prevents a secondary feature from working properly | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | •Low if the bug is mostly cosmetic | 15:40 |
| BobBall | ah | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | •Wishlist if the bug is not really a bug, but rather a welcome change in behavior | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | •High if the bug prevents a key feature from working properly for some users (or with a workaround) | 15:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I might start looking at targeting some bugs for Havanna if they look bad | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, if people do spot issues with the bug priorites, do drop me a note | 15:41 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1207253 should be "low" by that | 15:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1207253 in nova "xenapi config settings should be in their own nova config section" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: you mean XenServer does not recommend three part images? | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should look at documenting what we know works well, and is tested well, and what is in an "unknown" state | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should look at pulling some of the feature people don't use | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we could deprecate them in the havanna timeframe | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | three part images are one | 15:42 |
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| BobBall | indeed | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | pools is another | 15:43 |
| BobBall | I don't want to deprecate it | 15:43 |
| BobBall | either of them | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | whys that? | 15:43 |
| BobBall | 3-part images are useful for testing and some rare use cases | 15:43 |
| BobBall | pools are used by a small group of users so are a secondary feature | 15:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so we need to get some effort to make those features work, and get them properly tested | 15:43 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | otherwise, they need to die, well, they might do that by themsleves, as the pool feature has shown | 15:44 |
| BobBall | That's another post-freeze effort - better testing | 15:44 |
| BobBall | in our internal CI and smokestack, even if we can't commit unit tests | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed, how is the gating trunk going? | 15:44 |
| BobBall | Expecting SS to be always-voting at the end of this week (possibly set up over the weekend) | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the multi-machine tests that we need to get working against trunk really soon | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | how about running tempest tests? | 15:45 |
| BobBall | -2 voting will be a few weeks after that once stability has been proven | 15:45 |
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| BobBall | I guess that's unlikely to make Havana unless the infra freeze is much later ;) | 15:46 |
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| BobBall | or if they don't have one (they aren't listed in the release schedule) | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure there is such a thing, just they try to keep stuff stable when we hit milestones, I thought | 15:46 |
| BobBall | :D | 15:46 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | they don't release | 15:46 |
| BobBall | XS is running in the RS cloud | 15:47 |
| BobBall | which is fun | 15:47 |
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| BobBall | but hit some obvious IP issues | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:47 |
| BobBall | i.e. can't install devstack domU without DHCP | 15:47 |
| BobBall | but we now have an XVA/RPM combo being auto generated | 15:47 |
| BobBall | so perhaps we can use that rather than the devstack install scripts | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, shame XS has no build in NAT | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe ip tables rules could do that? | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | give it a static address, on a private network, and NAT traffic out xenbr0 | 15:49 |
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| BobBall | it's the DHCP server that we'd need that's more fun | 15:49 |
| BobBall | we have a work around but it makes things ugly | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | given with DHCP on RAX cloud, you would only get one per expected mac address | 15:49 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | well you have isolated networks in the RAX cloud | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | just use those? | 15:49 |
| matel | BobBall - I thought adding a DHCP server to a private net solved the issue. | 15:50 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:50 |
| BobBall | it does | 15:50 |
| BobBall | but then you have to use that server as the launchpoint | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, then RAX private networks will give you multi host | 15:50 |
| BobBall | I haven't done any more work on it | 15:50 |
| BobBall | it's a potential way forward but it's still icky :) | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, you want a single clean thing everytime | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so you will always be launching XenServers right | 15:51 |
| matel | I would prefer not to hack iptables stuff. | 15:51 |
| BobBall | me too | 15:51 |
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| BobBall | My tentative plan is to have the XS with the IP (no DHCP server) with an XVA already built in it and ready to do the devstack thang | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, but the rest will be waiting for us to support hypervisors in the RAX cloud, its not high priority | 15:51 |
| BobBall | "support"? :) It works :D | 15:51 |
| BobBall | isn't that the definition of "support"? ;) | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | well you only get one IP per machine | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | that what I mean | 15:52 |
| BobBall | That's all we need | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I don't see your issue | 15:52 |
| BobBall | gate is fully isolated - don't forget that running devstack in dom0 for libvirt works on RS cloud | 15:52 |
| BobBall | The issue I have ATM is purely a setup one I think | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:52 |
| BobBall | but setup for XS doesn't work in that environment | 15:53 |
| matel | If devstack changes, and your XVA is out of date, you might have issues running the tests. | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, needs fresh devstack code on each run | 15:53 |
| BobBall | Of course | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, sounds like it just need some TLC, and it should be up and running | 15:53 |
| BobBall | And the domU needs to get the nova etc code somehow too | 15:53 |
| matel | Our internal CI is using a JEOS as a starting point. | 15:53 |
| BobBall | but that's all manageable | 15:53 |
| antonym | yeah, i'm hoping we can make a quick script that will work with the configdrive to auto configure the instance, then i can make an actual xenserver image | 15:53 |
| antonym | would be a little quicker to stand up | 15:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | antonym: yeah, that sounds good, build up from base centos 6.4? | 15:54 |
| BobBall | It would save my hair from being pulled out too | 15:54 |
| BobBall | Not xenserver-core - we need XS 6.2 | 15:54 |
| matel | Devstack install time is a round 700 secs (653) | 15:54 |
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| antonym | something that would run the xe pif-reconfigure on boot and use the configdrive info | 15:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, gotcah | 15:55 |
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| matel | In a virtual machine it is 900 sec | 15:55 |
| antonym | our agent would probably not work so much since it relies on xenstore... which is already being used :P | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess HVM XenServer doesn't get xenstore info, lol | 15:55 |
| BobBall | antonym: Other option would be to use auto-generated answerfile | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, configdrive should have all the info already | 15:55 |
| BobBall | even if it just uses the static IP passed into the kernel | 15:55 |
| BobBall | a script can easily read that and put it as the IP for static config | 15:55 |
| antonym | BobBall: yeah, if you want to run through the entire install process... i'm thinking we capture the image before firstboot | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that would help when we build up pools | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so they get unique uuids, etc | 15:56 |
| BobBall | uh oh - going into unchartered territory there ;) Golden images in pools are a big no-no ATM | 15:56 |
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| antonym | ah, all the uniqueness is generated in the install? | 15:56 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:56 |
| matel | I am remastering an ISO for virtual xenserver installs. | 15:57 |
| antonym | gotcha... i almost have my build automated anyways, so we could just use that then | 15:57 |
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| BobBall | and we haven't done enough analysis to understand if we've got all the uniquness bits in one place to configure for the golden image | 15:57 |
| BobBall | isolated is much easier to argue | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure | 15:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | baby steps first | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 15:57 |
| BobBall | 60 seconds! | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any last remarks? | 15:58 |
| BobBall | Yes. It's sunny so I'm going to have a barbeque tonight. | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we are moving forward | 15:58 |
| matel | give a review to our changes, if you have time. | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats a good idea, I might do that too | 15:58 |
| BobBall | oh good point | 15:58 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy! Please review the XenAPI changes! | 15:58 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:58 |
| matel | Oh, I inserted my message to the right point! | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | there on my list, fingers cross that happens today! | 15:58 |
| BobBall | *grin* | 15:58 |
| BobBall | And also rope someone else in so there is another core working on it :D | 15:59 |
| matel | Just -1, -2 them | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | obviously :) | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 15:59:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-08-21-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-08-21-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-08-21-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Hmmmm, awful quiet out here. No Cinder meeting this week? | 16:04 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: we decided not to -- are you in #openstack-cinder? | 16:04 |
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| tjones | oh ok - i was waiting for it too | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Thanks, just checked back there. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Back to trying to fix bugs. | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | NO cinder meeting today... sorry guys | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | everyone in #openstack-cinder took a vote and didn't wanna put up with me this morning :) | 16:07 |
| tjones | ok thanks :-D | 16:07 |
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| med_ | okay | 16:28 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 17:00:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | Greetings stackers! | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | Who's around to meet? | 17:00 |
| tjones | Hi! | 17:00 |
| danwent | hi | 17:00 |
| danwent | garyk: around? | 17:00 |
| garyk | hi. | 17:00 |
| garyk | sorry i was day dreamin | 17:01 |
| danwent | night dreaming? | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | *lol* | 17:01 |
| garyk | this time i am at home and will not be locked in the office.... | 17:01 |
| danwent | nice | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | Anybody else around? | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | I know a number of folks are traveling for VMworld next week. | 17:02 |
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| danwent | yeah, HP people are all traveling i know | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | well… okay… | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:03 |
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| tjones | kiran was responding to email just now though | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | He might be in an airport … or in the sky? | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | Any pet bugs we need to discuss? | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | #link http://goo.gl/pTcDG | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | We have two bugs I'm not sure how to classify. | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | I think they aren't important. | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | Am I wrong? | 17:05 |
| garyk | i was unable to reproduce 1194076 and asked for clarifications | 17:05 |
| danwent | i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:06 |
| danwent | is relatively important | 17:06 |
| tjones | this one should be closed (sabari's fix) https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1104994 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1104994 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "Multi datastore support for provisioning of instances on ESX" [Critical,Fix committed] | 17:06 |
| danwent | as it affects anyone trying to use a direct iscsi device for cinder volunes | 17:06 |
| garyk | please note that 1194076 was on grizzly and a lot of code was fixed in havana. i'll check this with the stable grizzly version | 17:06 |
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| danwent | this may be related to the issue I discussed before. | 17:06 |
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| danwent | with respect to iscsi | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | on 1193980 … looks like I asked "Can you verify you can make the network traversal?" | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | 192.168.125.27 canot reach iqn.2010-10.org.openstack:volume-d0433ba1-d2c1-478c-96a1-b9074c57c62e | 17:07 |
| danwent | has anyone internally ever successfully used VCDriver with an external iscsi array? | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | is the error reported on that bug. | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | Honestly, I've not vetted that myself. | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | I can see the trace and it *looks* unrelated to the code. | 17:08 |
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| tjones | let me ask Ryan if he has tried this as well | 17:08 |
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| danwent | if we had tested it and it worked for us, then I'd probably just let the bug sit until we get a response from the reporter, but I think we should either test iscsi before the havana release, or document it has not supported | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | okay. | 17:09 |
| danwent | with our havana cinder driver, this becomes less important | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | #action Tracy to follow up with Ryan in CI team to test | 17:09 |
| danwent | but is still something we should be clear about whether it shoudl work or not | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | okay… we'll have the CI guys take a moment and tell us if they can verify the iScsi stuff works. | 17:10 |
| tjones | just dropped him an email | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | any other pet bugs? | 17:11 |
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| Tross | my pet bug is config drive support - I think Dims has a BP for it | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | hi. | 17:12 |
| garyk | yeah, dims has taken care of this (and very well)\ | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | Yeah… let's pull that up... | 17:12 |
| Tross | gr8 | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40029/ | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | Looks like it needs reviews. | 17:13 |
| garyk | hartsocks: are there any critical of high bugs that need treatment or focus\ | 17:13 |
| garyk | sorry critical or high bugs | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | keyboard went wonky. | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | #action reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40029/ | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | As for high/critical on #bugs | 17:14 |
| garyk | hartsocks: i have tested that and it looks good. | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | your +1 is appreciated :-) | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33100/ | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | waiting on core people to give +2 but it's aging out. | 17:15 |
| tjones | I just need 1 more +2 on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33504/ | 17:15 |
| garyk | hartsocks: maybe we can ping russellb and let him know that there are reviews that have been in the queue for weeks | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | #action russellb we need your help https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33100/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33504/ | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: these are in the bi-weekly emails on reviews needing attention. | 17:16 |
| garyk | i know that the average stats are a week for review, but we seem to be lagging very far behind. there is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39046/ which has been around for a very long time too | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: to be fair, that revision is only a day old and you already have a +2 | 17:17 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: not it has not - i just asked on the review for a review | 17:17 |
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| garyk | last commit was Gary Kotton<gkotton@vmware.com>Aug 8, 2013 9:31 AM | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | oh I see. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | Yeah. That's pretty bad. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | August 8th you got a +2 then *nuthin* | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | I think that might be the longest lag I've seen. | 17:19 |
| garyk | my concern is that we have some patches which will help us get a clean tempest run which can help us with the review process - if we can post tempest runs on the code then we can show that it works and does not cause degrdaations | 17:19 |
| garyk | sorry for the bad spelling | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | yep. That's what the CI guys are working on. | 17:20 |
| garyk | oh, well. sorry for the interruptions. please continue | 17:20 |
| tjones | im working with our CI team on at least being able to publically post the tempest run output so we can reference it in our patches | 17:20 |
| garyk | tjones: that will br brilliant | 17:20 |
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| danwent | yeah, a big win | 17:20 |
| tjones | just a matter of where to put them - should be easy to get it done | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | Not being able to show that a patch doesn't cause a regression is the biggest reason core-reviewers give for not reviewing our patches. There's a general fear of breaking the driver by approving a patch. So I figure we get that going and a lot of these other problems will go away. | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | Anything else on bugs? | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | I could paste my *reviewer* report in here but I'll spare you. I'll post to the mailing list shortly. | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | I've got 7 reviews that look good from a +1 perspective and just need some +2 love. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | I'm not collecting the age of these directly. I may start doing that. | 17:24 |
| tjones | that mmight be good if it is easy to add to your script | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | In other news, the Jenkins and review sites got DDOSed earlier in the week from traffic. | 17:25 |
| garyk | hartsocks: if you could add in the age it will ne nice | 17:25 |
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| hartsocks | The sheer number of reviews and revisions going through the servers is bogging things down. | 17:25 |
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| hartsocks | I'll talk blueprints next. | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:26 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: i think that there is a 'xmas' rush at the moment. gating is take a few hours. hopefully in a dy or 2 things may calm down a little after everyone meets the 22nd deadline for features | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-clusters-managed-by-one-service | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: fortunately all our blueprints targeted at Havana have *technically* met the 22nd deadline. | 17:27 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: yeah the guys have done great work with that. kudos | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | the review: | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30282/ | 17:28 |
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| tjones | have we gotten a tempest run on this one? anyone know? | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | I am trying to adjust how picky I am in these reviews. I'm hoping to go back and forth on things ahead of a core-reviewer so when one finally does pay attention to us they don't have much to complain about. | 17:29 |
| garyk | hartsocks: 1 thing here is not clear to me and i need to dig in the code a little more - is how a cluster is selected. | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: it's a configuration parameter. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | garyk: they explicitly name each cluster to be used. | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: the config is a "multi-config" | 17:30 |
| tjones | i was curious about that too - you say use this or that - who decides which one? VC or the scheduler? | 17:30 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: the clusters are listed in the config file. but when an instance is spawned, which cluster will be selected | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | garyk: which means you list each new cluster on its own line. | 17:30 |
| garyk | hartsocks: yeah, i am aware of that. i am more concerned of the real time decisions | 17:30 |
| tjones | right but if you specify 2 of them - who decides which? | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | … I knew this at one point ... | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | … 1 sec | 17:31 |
| tjones | it seemed rather random when i was testing it | 17:31 |
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| hartsocks | Yah. This patch has gone round-and-round | 17:31 |
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| hartsocks | at one point it was round-robin | 17:32 |
| garyk | there are lines which have - nodename = instance['node'].partition('(')[0. I need to understan this more. i'll spend time on this review again tomorrow | 17:32 |
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| garyk | ideally this would be something documented in the BP. but i may have missed that. | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | ah I see it here... | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30282/25/nova/virt/vmwareapi/vmops.py | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | instance['node'] comes off the scheduler | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | then the resource pool is selected based on that... | 17:33 |
| tjones | so the scheduler decides then | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | but there's a bug... | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | res_pool_ref = vm_util.get_res_pool_ref <- | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | assumes one self._cluster | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | So it depends on | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | 1. how is 'node' set on the instance (is it right?) | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | 2. how is res_pool_ref selected (is it the right cluster?) | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | That's two areas to dig at off line. | 17:35 |
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| hartsocks | Sounds like garyk has time for this. | 17:35 |
| garyk | hartsocks: garyk will make time for it :) i am on this one (highest prirotity) | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | #action follow up with Kiran on line 178 to 180 of vmops.py in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30282 | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | That feels like something the CI guys may have a hard time spotting right now unless we guide them. | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | (multiple clusters with multiple resource pools) | 17:37 |
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| hartsocks | Next up? | 17:37 |
| garyk | hartsocks: good point. it would be nice if we could maybe add tempest test cases for threse features | 17:37 |
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| hartsocks | #action message vmware Tempest CI team on multi-cluster and multi-resource pool testing | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | anything else? | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-nova-cinder-support | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | This is Gary's work. | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | heh. | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | Status: needs reviews. | 17:39 |
| garyk | I have rebased and addressed your comments. i am still testing the cinder code. no problems seem at th emoment | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | While we're on the topic. | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | Is this something the Tempest tests can cover? | 17:40 |
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| garyk | hartsocks" of course. as soon as i get cycles i'll see the test coverage and check if we can add | 17:41 |
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| garyk | i think there are cinder test cases and they pass. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | #action reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41387/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40105/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40245/ | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | Okay. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | Any special attention here? | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | Any discussion topics? | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | "Nova boot from cinder volume" seems pretty important to me. | 17:42 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: this support has been added. it was pending cinder support (which has been added) | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | What's up with the dependency on "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40245/7" | 17:43 |
| garyk | i am currently testing the code and no issues at the moment | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | it literally says "[OUTDATED]" on the subject line. | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | Is that something a core-reviewer would notice/care about? | 17:43 |
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| garyk | :) now i am happy that you asked that (cas i know the answer) | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | ? | 17:44 |
| garyk | prior to implementing the cinder support i tried doing attachment and detachment -everything blew up. | 17:44 |
| garyk | hence the base patch - which is also pending review... | 17:44 |
| garyk | i think that each time i mention review you guys need to dock me 10 reviews | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | yeah… but… why does it say "[OUTDATED]" | 17:45 |
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| garyk | let me check | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | Okay … it revision 7 of the patch set and the review is up to revision 8. | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | So basically the depended on patch has moved but you've not rebased the "upstream" patches. | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | I would −1 you on that… but I just figured out what it meant myself. | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | Could you just fix that? Seems like a few git commands. | 17:47 |
| garyk | on the 20th i rebased both. i think that the fact that we are all writing to the same files we may require rebasing when patches are approved. we should try and stay on top of that | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | huh. | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | yeah… everything moved together on the 20th. | 17:48 |
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| garyk | are we on open discussion yet - i have a really silly question | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | How weird. Could you just try rebasing one of the "upstream" patches today just to see if it's some weird laggy thing in the server? | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | The infrastructure has been acting buggy the last week. | 17:49 |
| garyk | hartsocks: sure. i'll do that tomorrow morning | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | anything else blueprint related before we kick the can around? | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | #topic open_discussion | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | go for it. | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | There's no such thing as a silly question. | 17:50 |
| garyk | as long as you are not kicking the can at me | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | *lol* | 17:51 |
| garyk | the vnc_password - if this is '' will the user be required to enter it? | 17:51 |
| garyk | maybe that question warrants a can to be thrown at me | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | Okay. You have the ball. Are you going to try for a goal? | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | So the VNC password stuff... | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | There's a bug in the Horizon client that forces you to set one. | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | The bug isn't at the nova-compute layer. | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | So presumably someone could make a fix to the Horizon project and make it so you don't *have* to set a password. | 17:53 |
| garyk | ok, thanks for the clarifications | 17:53 |
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| garyk | i would be nice if the vc could nat the session to the esx | 17:54 |
| tjones | i added it to lib/nova in devstack so i didn't have to remember to do it | 17:54 |
| tjones | every time i re-stack | 17:54 |
| garyk | tjones: did you push that patch to devstack or is it just local? | 17:55 |
| tjones | it is local cause i don't know how to push to devstack. i was asking hartsocks about that earlier. there are a few changes i'd like to make | 17:55 |
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| tjones | adding our stuff to the localrc sample | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | devstack's code review process is the same as ours. | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | But… specifically... | 17:56 |
| tjones | sssllllllloooooowwwww ? | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | *lol* | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | *rofl* | 17:57 |
| * hartsocks dusts self off | 17:57 | |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | So I was going to say. I don't know how that magic localrc to CONF thing happens. | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | I tried to trace it myself but the state of the Bash code there made me sad. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | Did you know bash has functions? | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | Oh yes it does. | 17:58 |
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| hartsocks | No need for copy-pasta in bash either. | 17:58 |
| tjones | it's in the lib directory (i think) gary is telling me what to do off-thread | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | awesome. | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | we're out of time | 17:59 |
| tjones | same process commit/review | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | yep | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | we're in #openstack-vmware all the time if you need us | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 18:00:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-08-21-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-08-21-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-08-21-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting in 3 minutes | 18:57 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | Kevin G here | 18:58 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | for swift meeting | 18:58 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: thanks for being here | 18:58 |
| * notmyname is john | 18:58 | |
| peluse | judo reference? | 18:59 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: FYI we're pretty active in #openstack-swift normally | 18:59 |
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| notmyname | meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here? | 19:00 |
| peluse | rock n roll... peluse is here | 19:01 |
| portante | o/ | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 19:01:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | welcome | 19:01 |
| notmyname | I'm hoping most people are just lurking ;-) | 19:01 |
| notmyname | topics for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | so, in no particular order, let's get started | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | I'd tell you that I'm lurking, but then I'd be lying | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic pbr change | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pbr change (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | as most of you probably noticed, the make swift use pbr patch landed yesterday | 19:02 |
| portante | yes | 19:02 |
| notmyname | I sent a message to the mailing list | 19:02 |
| notmyname | if you make swift packages, you'll have to update your packaging tools | 19:03 |
| clayg | o/ | 19:03 |
| notmyname | if you make packages for other openstack projects, you already know what needs to be done | 19:03 |
| notmyname | infor is at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/pbr/packagers.html | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/pbr/packagers.html | 19:03 |
| notmyname | any questions about it? | 19:04 |
| notmyname | good :-) | 19:04 |
| notmyname | #topic havana release | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana release (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:04 | |
| notmyname | the openstack-wide havana schedule is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 19:04 |
| notmyname | this shows that we'll need our release for havana on or around the end of september | 19:05 |
| notmyname | so review patches appropriately, and let people know about stuff | 19:05 |
| notmyname | (eg diskfile and dbbroker changes from portante and zaitcev) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | any questions about the havana release schedule? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hackathon (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:07 | |
| notmyname | #link http://swifthackathon.eventbrite.com | 19:07 |
| notmyname | swift hackathon in october in austin | 19:07 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing you there | 19:07 |
| notmyname | we've got 5 tickets left | 19:07 |
| notmyname | and hotel block info has been added to the eventbrite page | 19:07 |
| peluse | booked! | 19:07 |
| notmyname | peluse: and I got you a marriott ;-) | 19:08 |
| peluse | perfect :) | 19:08 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i can see if box will pay for it ;) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: I'd love to see you there :-) | 19:08 |
| portante | notmyname: hotel booked, air fare booked, see you then! | 19:08 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i'll attend if i can… i'll let you guys know | 19:08 |
| peluse | yes, that will be good timing for some EC sync/detailed schedule planning I think | 19:09 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: go ahead and add yourself to the eventbrite site ASAP, in case the last 5 tickets unexpectedly get booked | 19:09 |
| notmyname | portante: you're ahead of me for booking :-) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | any questions about the hackathon? | 19:09 |
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| peluse | any prep needed or just come with our dev environment ready to work? | 19:10 |
| notmyname | come ready to work. it should me mostly an extension of our day-to-day, just now with more faces | 19:10 |
| notmyname | peluse: power point slides are not allowed ;-) | 19:10 |
| peluse | ha, don't look at me! ony when forced!! | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #topic EC update | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:11 | |
| notmyname | peluse: torgomatic: sweepthelegjohnn: updates here? | 19:11 |
| clayg | notmyname is just reminding himself (he can whip up a mean keynote deck) | 19:11 |
| peluse | so I've got the the latest conversation on multi-ring translted to code up there for review | 19:11 |
| peluse | minus unit test code... will do that once design is confirmed | 19:12 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i have the swift interface done in bitbucket | 19:12 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | and a bunch of c code with unit tests complete for a couple of EC algorithms | 19:12 |
| peluse | i know you wanted to keep that in bitbucket for a bit (no pun intended) but if you can get stuff up there on gerrit sooner than later, some of outher folks can review | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | we figured out how to handle merging two containers with disparate storage policies in a way that (a) doesn't lose data, and (b) isn't terrible | 19:13 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | ok. i'll put the swift interface up | 19:13 |
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| peluse | cool, thanks. also, torgomatic, looks like maybe James from rackspace may pick that up | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | is James from RAX by any chance in here? | 19:14 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | it is still unclear if PyECLib will be packaged with Swift or as a separate project, so I'll keep it in a private repo for now. | 19:14 |
| peluse | clayg/torgomatic, let me know when you get a chance to look at the multiring code, I'm waiting on your nod before continuing with it | 19:14 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: assume separate for now | 19:14 |
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| clayg | peluse: ack | 19:15 |
| torgomatic | peluse: I'll take a look after this meeting today | 19:15 |
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| peluse | gracias both of you | 19:15 |
| peluse | Yuanz are you on? | 19:15 |
| e-vad | notmyname: he's not here that I'm aware of, asking him to log in | 19:16 |
| notmyname | e-vad: thanks | 19:16 |
| peluse | assuming not... he's rebased my last set of multi-ring with his EC controller changes for put/get and should post soon | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | great. anything blockign right now? any outstanding issues? | 19:17 |
| peluse | not that I know of - good momentum I think | 19:17 |
| notmyname | any questions about EC while we're all here? | 19:17 |
| clayg | on a scale of 1-10 - how awesome will it be? | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | have we ever considered storing objects as just an offset into the binary representation of pi? | 19:18 |
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| peluse | 10 | 19:18 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: we just read /dev/random until we find the right if-match header | 19:18 |
| e-vad | notmyname: james ( jame4635 ) is now here | 19:18 |
| peluse | advertisement: I'm giving a 1hr talk on teh Swift EC impleentation effort at the Intel Dev Forum in SanFran Sep 9-11 | 19:18 |
| e-vad | jame4635: HAI | 19:18 |
| peluse | Once the slides are final I'll send them to the swift dev dist list as FYI | 19:19 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | awesome! thx! | 19:19 |
| notmyname | great | 19:19 |
| notmyname | e-vad: jame4635: any updates from your end on EC or any questions? | 19:19 |
| peluse | and I mention Kevin's library in there too :) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | e-vad: jame4635: also, meet sweepthelegjohnn, peluse, and torgomatic (the primary drivers for it right now) | 19:19 |
| creiht | so I finally got a chance to peek at it a little... and it is alittle hard to discern | 19:20 |
| peluse | peek at which part? | 19:20 |
| jame4635 | not at the moment. currently playing around the a ContainerReplicatorRpc class | 19:20 |
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| creiht | but is there a reason we aren't just starting with something like zfec for EC since it already works? | 19:20 |
| peluse | zfec has a license issue for us I believe, Yuanz did start with that | 19:20 |
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| peluse | but also I think Kevin's and Intel libraries (either) will perform much better | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | either way, it should be external libs that can be swapped, right? | 19:21 |
| peluse | yes | 19:21 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | we can start with whatever we want… we just need to get the interface in, so folks can plug in their own libs | 19:21 |
| creiht | does performance matter that much if you are ultimately going to be limited by the network? | 19:21 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | Reed-Solomon can kill the network @ scale | 19:21 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | zfec is RS | 19:21 |
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| peluse | really the point is that we're putting the interface in palce and any library will do... what notmyname said :) | 19:21 |
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| creiht | k | 19:22 |
| creiht | just curious | 19:22 |
| notmyname | great question | 19:22 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i'll send a better write-up on the code i have designed | 19:22 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | *codes | 19:22 |
| creiht | it seems to me that the actual EC part is the least difficult of everything else | 19:22 |
| peluse | indeed, creight if you get a chance to look at the multi-ring implementation (still WIP) that would be great | 19:22 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i am convinced that we do not want to go with reed-solomon | 19:22 |
| cschwede | @sweepthelegjohnn: why will RS kill the network @ scale? | 19:22 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | assume we do 12+3 | 19:23 |
| creiht | and would rather focus on getting the hard stuff done first | 19:23 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | one disk fails, i have to read off 12 devices to reconstruct one | 19:23 |
| notmyname | creiht: yes. and that's the way the work is going right niw | 19:23 |
| notmyname | *now | 19:24 |
| creiht | k | 19:24 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | at scale, disk failures will be the norm. most of the recovery cases will be one disk. we should try and use codes that minimize the number of disks needed to reconstruct one failed disk. | 19:24 |
| notmyname | the work is proceeding on doing simpler storage policies to get all the plumbing in place | 19:24 |
| peluse | yup and I may be overxicted about the multi-ring storage policy thing but I think its way cool and have many usages beyond EC | 19:24 |
| creiht | it is just difficult to discern from the page that you guys are using to keep track of stuff | 19:24 |
| cschwede | good point. i'm curious, going to look at the EC code | 19:24 |
| notmyname | since sweepthelegjohnn is actually an expert on EC (and not yet on swift), he's focusing on that part ;-) | 19:24 |
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| sweepthelegjohnn | haha. indeed ;) | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic and peluse are focusing on the storage policy work and the plumbing needed to get things working properly | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | yes | 19:26 |
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| creiht | coming in fresh, it is a bit difficult to figure out what is going on | 19:26 |
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| peluse | meaning the overall design aspect of it or the who is doing what aspect? | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | briefly: step one is to support multiple storage policies (i.e. rings w/different disks in them), but all using replication | 19:26 |
| creiht | peluse: yes | 19:27 |
| creiht | :) | 19:27 |
| peluse | :) | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | step two is to introduce an EC-type storage policy (doing stuff that is not replication) | 19:27 |
| creiht | but we don't need to cover that now | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | and we all know step 3 | 19:27 |
| notmyname | I'm sure you aren't the only one with the question | 19:27 |
| creiht | swiftstack profits? | 19:27 |
| creiht | :) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | creiht: I'm sure RAX will get zero benefit too ;-) | 19:27 |
| cschwede | enables multi-ring support seamless migration to (higher) partition power as well? | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: that's not the initial design goal | 19:28 |
| creiht | notmyname: that assumes that it will work for us :) | 19:28 |
| clayg | cschwede: no | 19:28 |
| peluse | seemless migration to any other ring so can distinguish polcies based on ring properites or propreties of devices on the ring | 19:28 |
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| cschwede | @notmyname: but might be a nice side effect ;-) | 19:29 |
| peluse | so clayg I'm not sure why the answer is no? | 19:29 |
| notmyname | anything else on EC before we move on? | 19:29 |
| peluse | I can get w/clayg offline, nothing else from me | 19:29 |
| clayg | peluse: I hadn't really considered torgomatic's container reconciler a migration strategy... but you might be able to scale it up | 19:29 |
| peluse | I wasn't thinking the reconcilliation but instead a move of objects from one ring to another | 19:30 |
| peluse | as opposed to dealing with a sync resulting from split brain | 19:30 |
| clayg | either way moving from one part power to another is about the same as it is now - you GET data from the current ring, you PUT data to another ring (probably on another different three devices) | 19:30 |
| peluse | sorry, from one container with policy A to another container with policy B | 19:30 |
| peluse | yes, but there's only one ring now | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | I think we can move on and cover these things in -swift | 19:31 |
| clayg | if that's true then I *definately* need to go review the MULTI-ring patch :\ | 19:31 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: +1 | 19:31 |
| notmyname | #topic discuss Object Storage Admin Guide | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | #link http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-object-storage/admin/content/ | 19:32 |
| notmyname | annegentle: you're up | 19:32 |
| notmyname | what do you want to discuss? | 19:32 |
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| annegentle | notmyname: docs of course! | 19:32 |
| annegentle | I wanted to let teams know we're discussing the placement and ongoing maintenance of docs, especially "what goes where". | 19:33 |
| annegentle | For the havana release, docs is focusing on install and configuration for the actual release. | 19:33 |
| annegentle | We want to move other docs to an ongoing and continuous publishing routine, as the docs.openstack.org/trunk/ pages get 1/4th of the page views anyway. | 19:33 |
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| annegentle | There's a new Config Ref - it is built from config info scraped from the code itself, so it's as up-to-date as the code. | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | what are the "other docs"? | 19:34 |
| annegentle | notmyname: the docs team has about 30 titles it maintains | 19:34 |
| annegentle | notmyname: the Object Storage Admin Guide is one of them | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:34 |
| annegentle | For Object Storage, the "Admin Manual" is much less preferred than the developer docs, based on web stats, so we're considering getting rid of it from openstack-manuals, and want to discuss with the team. | 19:34 |
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| annegentle | Configuration information will definitely be included in the Config Reference, including the most popular Obj. Storage page on our site about configuring S3. | 19:34 |
| annegentle | We've done user studies based on the user committee data and interviews with admins, and we are looking at consolidating admin guides into one big OpenStack guide, but that will probably happen after the havana release. This consolidation starts with moving config info into a Config Reference so some of the "Admin Manuals" are being pieced out. | 19:35 |
| annegentle | I've discussed this this week at the team meetings | 19:35 |
| annegentle | it's your turn! | 19:35 |
| notmyname | ok. what do you need from us? | 19:35 |
| annegentle | notmyname: basically a blessing to remove the Object Storage Admin Guide by piecing out the config info from it | 19:36 |
| annegentle | notmyname: since most of your users seem to be going to docs.openstack.org/developer/swift anyway | 19:36 |
| annegentle | I'd also like to get your input on a "docs lead" for each team. | 19:36 |
| annegentle | This person would help triage doc bugs, ensure DocImpact is being used in commit messages, and generally be a liaison for the doc team. | 19:36 |
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| annegentle | This responsibility utimately falls on the PTL but I'd like to identify another person per team. | 19:36 |
| annegentle | Often this responsibility falls on the PTL but I'd like to identify another person per team. | 19:36 |
| annegentle | gah | 19:37 |
| notmyname | any volunteers? :-) | 19:37 |
| annegentle | I've met with notmyname about API docs for sure, but for all Object Storage docs, I'd like a point person. | 19:37 |
| annegentle | For example, I met with creiht a few weeks ago about doc updates, which was helpful. Thoughts? | 19:37 |
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| annegentle | We're having a Docs Boot Camp in Mountain View Sept 9 and 10. It would be great to have a swift rep there. We've got about 20-some attendees and room for a few more. | 19:37 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Docs_Bootcamp_2013 | 19:37 |
| annegentle | wow other teams had all kinds of opinions, what are you all thinking? | 19:38 |
| notmyname | you've got more insight into who's reading what than we do, so I'll trust what you say there. we can actually change the dev docs pretty easily, so that's probably why they get more love from us | 19:38 |
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| annegentle | notmyname: well there's still cruft there but at least the cruft won't be in 2 places, swift and openstack-manuals | 19:38 |
| notmyname | in my opinion, docs are a shared responsibility of all of us | 19:39 |
| annegentle | notmyname: yep | 19:39 |
| notmyname | I think we do a pretty good job of keeping docs up to date (the dev docs) and keep ing DocImpact tags | 19:39 |
| annegentle | what we're finding is that people come to OpenStack docs site for OpenStack docs not for individual projects docs | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | I'm actually not sure what's in the admin docs that you linked that's not in the dev docs | 19:40 |
| annegentle | notmyname: not really, there were two DocImpacts that weren't noted recently, such as the Apache deployment that totally went untagged | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ah. sorry | 19:40 |
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| annegentle | notmyname: yes I think in the Object Storage case we're seeing web analytics that indicate the dev docs are "just fine" | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | if there is good content in the admin guide you're thinking of removing, then I'd prefer to see that still live somewhere, but I think we all support whatever you need to do to make the openstack docs better | 19:41 |
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| annegentle | notmyname: install and config will be in openstack-manuals for havana though so it would be great to get eyes on that | 19:41 |
| annegentle | notmyname: the main piece that you won't doc in your dev docs is things like s3 | 19:41 |
| annegentle | notmyname: so we've hopefully identified those areas | 19:41 |
| annegentle | any more questions? | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | I'm not sure who'll volunteer to be a docs person, beyond me | 19:42 |
| annegentle | notmyname: we'll keep putting out requests | 19:43 |
| notmyname | annegentle: please let us know what we need to do to help you make docs better | 19:43 |
| annegentle | notmyname: creiht is a good first contact | 19:43 |
| notmyname | good job creiht! | 19:43 |
| creiht | lol | 19:43 |
| notmyname | annegentle: anything else? | 19:43 |
| annegentle | notmyname: use DocImpact more effectively, ensure your sample configs are updated as we're now scraping them | 19:43 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:44 |
| creiht | annegentle: I've been a bit sidetracked with stuff since we last talked | 19:44 |
| annegentle | notmyname: and identify a person to attend the Docs Boot Camp | 19:44 |
| annegentle | notmyname: that should do it for now, we take small steps! | 19:44 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #topic DiskFile etc status | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | portante: what's up? | 19:45 |
| portante | working on apply code review comments, merging up against Top of Tree | 19:45 |
| notmyname | any questions or blockers? | 19:46 |
| portante | it is a bit of work carrying this along, but it feels like we are making prograess | 19:46 |
| portante | clayg and torgomatic have done much of the reviews (sorry if I have skipped anybody else) | 19:46 |
| notmyname | I'd love to see it wrapped up for havana. is it being help up by speed of reviews? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | good job clayg and torgomatic! :-) | 19:47 |
| portante | right now for the last two weeks have I have been drained by some other priorities at red hat | 19:47 |
| portante | the key review right now is | 19:47 |
| portante | 35381 | 19:47 |
| portante | it would be good to get other eyes on it as well to make sure I can address concerns sooner than later | 19:48 |
| clayg | notmyname: I'm currently looking at zaitcev's entry points stuff | 19:48 |
| notmyname | great | 19:48 |
| portante | are there any folks who thing this diskfile refactoring work is not going in a good direction? | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | portante: clicky https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35381 | 19:48 |
| clayg | but yeah the disk file read ctx thing needs to be done | 19:49 |
| portante | notmyname: thanks | 19:49 |
| notmyname | portante: I think you're doing great | 19:50 |
| notmyname | anything else on this topic? | 19:50 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:50 |
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| portante | nope | 19:50 |
| portante | thanks | 19:50 |
| notmyname | anything else to discuss this week? | 19:50 |
| creiht | notmyname: sorry that I missed the pbr stuff | 19:50 |
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| creiht | but that seemed to be kinda rushed through after monty's last fix | 19:50 |
| creiht | and it really seems to be very little value at the expense of everyone changing how they are doing packaging | 19:51 |
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| creiht | and it just opens the door to, now that you are using pbr, you should use this other cruft | 19:51 |
| creiht | we are fixing things that really aren't problems for us | 19:52 |
| creiht | or at least let me know if I am wrong | 19:52 |
| notmyname | in some ways it's us getting out of the way of the openstack train, since it's being used by all other projects | 19:52 |
| creiht | lol | 19:52 |
| notmyname | the good news is that pbr is a separate library, so it's not like the oslo copy/paste stuff it used to be | 19:52 |
| notmyname | creiht: https://twitter.com/notmyname/status/370219626711375872 | 19:53 |
| creiht | notmyname: oh I am certainly aware of that | 19:53 |
| creiht | I'm not asking how to do it | 19:53 |
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| creiht | I'm just not happy that we are adding yet another dependency that really adds little value | 19:53 |
| creiht | oh sorry thought you were referencing the other tweet | 19:54 |
| portante | not to mention it has caused me pause to address version compatibility issues | 19:54 |
| notmyname | portante: for dependencies? | 19:54 |
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| creiht | notmyname: for example it is a pain to install on older LTS | 19:55 |
| creiht | as it requires pip 1.0 | 19:55 |
| portante | yes, on my system, I had an "old" version that game with F18's Grizzly install that suddenly caused my tox run to fail | 19:55 |
| portante | for some reason | 19:55 |
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| creiht | python-swiftclient is already a mess because of all of this crap | 19:56 |
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| creiht | it is a pain to install now, unless you are on a bleeding edge distro | 19:56 |
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| portante | creiht: I think this is why redhat is pushing the RDO so that we have all the required pieces maintained in one place, but I am not sure how well that is progressing | 19:57 |
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| creiht | I think most of us have been kind of quiet, but it seems to have gotten to a bit of a breaking point | 19:57 |
| clayg | creiht: you mean because you installed the system pip? | 19:57 |
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| creiht | clayg: sure | 19:58 |
| clayg | creiht: that review was up for a *long* time, I think a -2 from any core would have held it as long as you needed - I assumed benevolance. | 19:58 |
| clayg | ambivolence I think i ment :D | 19:58 |
| creiht | yeah a -2 was there for quite a while, which is why I didn't comment on it | 19:58 |
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| creiht | then it went away, and quickly went through the process | 19:59 |
| clayg | ah | 19:59 |
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| clayg | can't comment on that, but on the pip thing - I think pip these days is pretty adament about NOT installing using the system pip (now that they're all up in the ssl's) | 20:00 |
| notmyname | please don't be quiet. we can't assume one way or the other if there is no input | 20:00 |
| notmyname | ...and unfortunately we're out of our time in here | 20:00 |
| creiht | Now we are likely to fork setup.py for swift just because that is easier then messing with pbr | 20:00 |
| creiht | like it has already been forked for python-swiftclient | 20:00 |
| * portante thanks all those here, and review review review | 20:00 | |
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| creiht | "unfortunately" :) | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 20:01:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-08-21-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-08-21-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-08-21-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 20:01:23 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:01 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
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| shardy | hi all, who's around? | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | jpeeler here | 20:01 |
| funzo | o/ | 20:01 |
| m4dcoder | o/ | 20:01 |
| radix | hello! | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | here | 20:01 |
| spzala | Hi! | 20:01 |
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| therve | Hi! | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | \o | 20:02 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | (leaving early) | 20:03 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 20:03 |
| shardy | asalkeld, sdake? | 20:03 |
| shardy | ok lets get started | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-14-20.00.html | 20:04 |
| shardy | ACTION: shardy to post mission statement | 20:04 |
| shardy | oops, I forgot to do that, again | 20:04 |
| shardy | does anyone have a link to the thread where this was requested, then I'll reply after this meeting? | 20:04 |
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| shardy | #action shardy to post mission statement, again | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | I think people just post new threads with the statement | 20:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, thanks | 20:05 |
| shardy | anything else from last week before we move on? | 20:05 |
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| shardy | #topic Reminder re Feature proposal freeze | 20:06 |
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| shardy | So it's this Friday, any features posted for review after that will require an exception, so we should start -2ing stuff which gets posted late | 20:07 |
| therve | The gate already decided for us it seems | 20:07 |
| shardy | therve: haha, yea quite possibly ;) | 20:07 |
| * bnemec is here, but got distracted playing with stackalytics... | 20:07 | |
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| stevebaker | maybe we should review late items at the meeting | 20:07 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yup, next item is h3 bps | 20:08 |
| shardy | #topic h3 blueprint status | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "h3 blueprint status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:08 | |
| zaneb | so, I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1176142 | 20:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1176142 in heat "UPDATE_REPLACE deletes things before it creates the replacement" [High,In progress] | 20:08 |
| zaneb | dunno if you would call that a "feature" | 20:08 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:08 |
| zaneb | but it is *not* going to land by friday | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: \o/ | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: that is a bug 100% | 20:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 100 in launchpad "uploading po file overwrites authors list" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100 | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | haha doh | 20:09 |
| zaneb | basically, it takes longer to rebase my current work than time I have to work on it | 20:09 |
| shardy | zaneb: well technically I think it's only BPs which are frozen, but IMO we should start deferring any big bugs which contain new functionality not just fixes | 20:09 |
| zaneb | so I have a negative amount of time to spend on the actual problem | 20:09 |
| shardy | zaneb: so maybe we defer until early icehouse? | 20:09 |
| zaneb | which is already *really* hard | 20:09 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:09 |
| shardy | Ok so I think heat-trusts will slip too - I've just had too many problems with keystone, and it's taken too long to get the client support merged | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: are you saying that you have so many things in-flight that you spend all day rebasing? | 20:10 |
| zaneb | yeah, let's see how things go over the next week or so, but I'm thinking it will probably have to be bumped :( | 20:10 |
| radix | shardy: sad :( | 20:10 |
| therve | zaneb, Considering it's a bug, can't it go past the feature freeze? | 20:10 |
| therve | Or is it too big of a behavior change? | 20:11 |
| zaneb | it's a big behaviour change, tbh | 20:11 |
| adrian_otto | bugs are exempt | 20:11 |
| shardy | zaneb, radix: IMO it's much better to bump big stuff which is too late than land loads of risky stuff and make our first integrated release really broken | 20:11 |
| adrian_otto | there is no point in delaying a bugfix | 20:11 |
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| radix | shardy: yeah, I understand | 20:11 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: This is a complete rework of our update logic, so it's not a normal bugfix | 20:12 |
| adrian_otto | same logic applies | 20:12 |
| shardy | but yeah, in general bugs are fine | 20:12 |
| adrian_otto | unless you are addinga new feature? | 20:12 |
| m4dcoder | zaneb: if the UPDATE_REPLACE is fixed, i think it's going to be easier to implement the rolling update for as-update-policy. | 20:12 |
| radix | I was just sad that the keystone stuff is buggy | 20:12 |
| shardy | radix: well it's very new stuff, AFAICT we're the first to try to really use it | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I think landing potentially broken stuff early is also an anti-pattern. Lets land good stuff. | 20:13 |
| radix | yeah, that's usually how it goes when you have inter project dependencies like that | 20:13 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: yeah, but if we've got stuff which is rushed and may be flaky, or depends on stuff known-to-be-flaky in other projects, now is not really the time to land it | 20:14 |
| shardy | early in the cycle is much less risky as we've got more time to fix and test | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | Yes, what I am saying is, lets not count on it being landable, flaky, on day 1 of icehouse. | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | There is never a time where it is ok to risk breaking everything. | 20:15 |
| shardy | SpamapS: sure, but deferring gives those working on said features more time to test and solidify their stuff before it's merged | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | deferring +1. Planning to de-stabilize trunk, -1. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | (and I acknowledge that you were just saying "lets defer") | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | I'm just saying, don't defer, and stop working on it. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | defer landing, keep stabilizing it. | 20:17 |
| shardy | Yeah, who was saying destablize trunk, I think you just made that up ;P | 20:17 |
| shardy | anyways.. | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | The entire software industry made that up. Its called "lets just drop it in trunk when we re-open after freeze". | 20:17 |
| shardy | There are a few bp's still in "Good Progress", some of which have patches posted I think: | 20:17 |
| * SpamapS moves on :) | 20:17 | |
| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-parameters | 20:18 |
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| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multiple-engines | 20:18 |
| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/heat-multicloud | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | Should have something to submit today | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | for multi-engines | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | i mean multicloud :/ | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | to many multis | 20:19 |
| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/oslo-db-support | 20:19 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, just wanted to see if some of those should actually be either Implemented or Needs Code Review | 20:19 |
| shardy | anyone know if hot-parameters is really done? | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | I think it's really sort-of done | 20:20 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/hot-parameters,n,z | 20:20 |
| shardy | All the stuff posted is merged, so can we claim it Implemented for h3 purposes? | 20:21 |
| zaneb | for h3 purposes I think so, yes | 20:21 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, cool, thanks | 20:21 |
| zaneb | best to double check with nanjj too though | 20:22 |
| radix | then maybe it needs another bp for post-h features | 20:22 |
| shardy | I moved a few bugs into h3 which look like it would be good to fix, if anyone has bandwidth and needs something to do please pick them up :) | 20:22 |
| zaneb | radix: yes, quite likely | 20:22 |
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| shardy | Ok I'll ping nanjj to check tomorrow | 20:23 |
| shardy | Anyone else have anything to raise re h3 before we move on? | 20:23 |
| therve | I may slip my lbaas bp in it | 20:23 |
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| therve | It "just" needs one more branch I think | 20:24 |
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| shardy | Overall I think we've done really really well, 27 bps and 60 bugs atm, if we land most of that it's going to be a great effort :) | 20:24 |
| radix | what's the remaining branch? | 20:24 |
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| shardy | therve: Ok, cool, if things are up for review but not targetted please add them | 20:24 |
| therve | radix, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41475/ | 20:24 |
| m4dcoder | i'm still working to get my last patch submitted for review for as-update-policy before end of week. as-update-policy was moved to "next". | 20:25 |
| shardy | I think m4dcoder posted a patch which got bumped and we may be able to pull back | 20:25 |
| shardy | snap | 20:25 |
| radix | oh OK | 20:25 |
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| shardy | m4dcoder: Ok, if it looks like it's going to land, I'll pull it back | 20:25 |
| m4dcoder | thx. i have 1 in review and another 1 i'm going to submit before end of week for as-update-policy. | 20:26 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: Ok, sounds good thanks | 20:26 |
| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 20:27 |
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| shardy | anyone have anything? | 20:27 |
| spzala | shardy: I will follow up with nanji tonight on hot-parameter validation blueprint, I think it is done like you mentioned. Sorry I was on another meeting. | 20:28 |
| m4dcoder | can havana release of heat still work with an openstack instances on grizzly? | 20:28 |
| shardy | spzala: Ok, that would be great, thanks, pls change the Implementation status if so | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | there was a recent change where if a nova boot fails, the instance resource deletes the server during create. Do we want to be doing this? | 20:28 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: excellent question | 20:29 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: You mean on a grizzly openstack install? | 20:29 |
| spzala | shardy: OK, no problem. Yup, will do. | 20:29 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: yes | 20:29 |
| zaneb | I don't want to be doing that, it frightens me | 20:29 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: maybe, but it's not something we support, you need to use stable/grizzly | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | I'm inclined to leave the failed server there, for post-mortum if nothing else | 20:29 |
| radix | I have been wondering about having an explicit "try to converge" operation in heat | 20:29 |
| radix | which would basically clean up and retry to get things to look like the template | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | Are we deleting it, and re-trying? | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | I do like that | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | an ERROR state is a dead instance. | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | just deleting and putting the resource in FAILED state | 20:30 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I agree, I don't think we want to delete, or try to delete until stack delete | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | i shall raise a bug | 20:31 |
| radix | no, it doesn't currently retry. and I don't think it should by default | 20:31 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: thanks. | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | yeah that could lead to a large bill. ;) | 20:31 |
| radix | instance group does this too BTW - deletes the sub resources | 20:31 |
| shardy | radix: yeah I was looking at that in conjunction with a patch from liang | 20:32 |
| zaneb | how did a major change to the behaviour of instances sneak in in a commit that claimed to be just adding a Racksapce resource? | 20:32 |
| therve | radix, It'd be nice to have at least an API call to "retry" create | 20:32 |
| zaneb | https://github.com/openstack/heat/commit/2684f2bb4cda1b1a23ce596fcdb476bb961ea3f8 | 20:32 |
| shardy | radix: IMO that is also wrong, the InstanceGroup resource should go into a failed state (probably UPDATE, FAILED) if it can't adjust | 20:32 |
| zaneb | that's extremely uncool | 20:32 |
| shardy | therve: there is a bug for allowing retry of create/update | 20:33 |
| radix | yeah. I didn't do it, I just tried to maintain the behavior through my redactor :) | 20:33 |
| radix | f | 20:33 |
| therve | zaneb, That's a bit sad and untested :/ | 20:34 |
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| bnemec | zaneb: Wow, that was a really bad commit. It introduced the ResourceFailure bug too. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | shardy: all these transitions to failed state make the urgency of needing a "RETRY" capability go up. | 20:34 |
| shardy | radix: sure, well lets raise a big and fix it | 20:34 |
| zaneb | bnemec: no, I introduced the ResourceFailure bug by not spotting that (bizarre) change | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | have not had time to address the lack thereof.. but would still like to very much | 20:35 |
| shardy | SpamapS: well IIRC it's assigned to you... | 20:35 |
| zaneb | bnemec: and by "not spotting" I mean "relying on the unit tests instead of grep" | 20:35 |
| shardy | SpamapS: if you don't have the bandwidth, let me know and we'll reassign | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, I keep running into these things where heat is a time bomb waiting to eat all of your memory/disk/cpu ... can't seem to prioritize retry over those. ;) | 20:35 |
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| bnemec | zaneb: Yeah, part of the problem with that is it's too large. 800 some lines is too much to review properly. | 20:36 |
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| kebray | SpamapS we're running into the same problem.. other general scalability issues are keeping us from getting to implementing a Retry | 20:36 |
| * SpamapS watches the ducks line up | 20:36 | |
| kebray | but, +1 on wanting retry, both retry create, and retry individual steps of the create. | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | and now I have an appointment that I have to get to. | 20:36 |
| zaneb | bnemec: well, the problem is when it says "Add resource for Rackspace Cloud Servers" but actually makes fundamental changes to other resources :) | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | anybody need me for something before I go? | 20:37 |
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| shardy | kebray: OK well lets coordinate getting someone (if SpamapS can't get to it) looking at that soon | 20:37 |
| kebray | shardy sounds good. | 20:37 |
| shardy | SpamapS: o/ | 20:38 |
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| shardy | So I have a general question re upgrade strategy when we move to trusts.. | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | shoot | 20:38 |
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| shardy | the cleanest way is to drop the DB and just use trusts for all user_creds, but I'm thinking we need to allow transistion, ie existing stacks should still work | 20:38 |
| bnemec | zaneb: Sure, but in a 200 line change that probably gets shot down by reviewers. In 800 it gets lost in the noise. | 20:39 |
| bnemec | (sorry for the tangent in the middle of the meeting) | 20:39 |
| shardy | so my current plan is to extend the context and user_creds adding a trust_id, which we use if it's there, otherwise we fall back to the user/pass for old, existing stacks | 20:39 |
| therve | shardy, Is there a way to migrate existing stacks? | 20:39 |
| zaneb | bnemec: fair point; that's hard to avoid when you're adding a whole new resource though | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: how about storing in resource_data? | 20:40 |
| shardy | therve: not really, because you don't have a connection to keystone at DB migrate time | 20:40 |
| zaneb | bnemec: but yes, that should have been at least 3 patches. and at least 1 should have been rejected ;) | 20:40 |
| shardy | but we could write a tool which creates a trust using the stored credentials, and migrate it that way | 20:40 |
| bnemec | zaneb: Agreed. :-) | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | shardy: does this mean new secrets need to make it onto instances? | 20:41 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I was thinking of just adding the trust_id to the stack table, but that makes the overlap between old/new methods harder | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | oh, this is just for api requests | 20:41 |
| zaneb | shardy: heat-manage could do that maybe? | 20:41 |
| shardy | stevebaker: no, not yet, this is just the credentials for periodic tasks in the engine | 20:41 |
| shardy | zaneb: hmm, yeah, but heat-manage would need the ID of the heat service user | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | short answer is, it would be nice if the old method continued to work in parallel | 20:42 |
| shardy | I guess it could read it from a cli arg or config file | 20:42 |
| zaneb | shardy: it would need the whole config file to decrypt the credentials anyway | 20:43 |
| zaneb | shardy: but that seems doable | 20:43 |
| shardy | zaneb: good point | 20:43 |
| zaneb | shardy: if you want to get really fancy, you could do it in the db migration ;) | 20:43 |
| shardy | stevebaker: agreed, but then do we publish e.g that we'll transistion to just trusts after e.g one cycle? | 20:43 |
| shardy | zaneb: haha, yeah I guess, was trying to keep things simple ;) | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | shardy: actually, we may need to keep the old way for a while if we support older openstack clouds | 20:44 |
| shardy | Ok thanks all for the input, will try to get a wip patch up for review soon, aiming for early Icehouse when the keystoneclient patches etc have landed | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | like, indefinitely. And have some way of discovering if the keystone supports trusts | 20:45 |
| zaneb | ick | 20:45 |
| shardy | stevebaker: you mean for multicloud? | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes | 20:45 |
| shardy | gah | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | it's extremely, extremely uncool that we are storing credentials at all | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | :D | 20:46 |
| shardy | that could get really messy | 20:46 |
| zaneb | I think it's better to say that if you don't have a compatible keystone, you lose out | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: yes, unless it is a private heat installation | 20:46 |
| zaneb | than to say that if you don't have a compatible keystone, we store your password in a really insecure way | 20:46 |
| shardy | zaneb: that's why I was hoping everyone would say drop-the-db, kill the stored-creds ;) | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | plaintext! | 20:46 |
| zaneb | it may as well be | 20:46 |
| zaneb | if we keep both around, you'll never be sure which we're doing | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | maybe we can look into a keystore for icehouse | 20:47 |
| shardy | stevebaker: So we say master only supports havana for native openstack deployments, are you saying we somehow have to maintain indefinite backwards compat for multicloud? | 20:47 |
| shardy | zaneb: If we can manage a flag-day migration, I would much prefer it, and the resulting code will be much much easier to maintain | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | shardy: that is something we should discuss | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | sorry, I have to go. | 20:48 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok lets pick it up on the ML | 20:48 |
| shardy | anyone else have anything for the last few minutes? | 20:49 |
| radix | I was distracted for a bit, was a bug filed about not deleting failed instances? | 20:49 |
| radix | I can file one for the InstanceGroup and take that on | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | radix: I think stevebaker was going to file one | 20:50 |
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| zaneb | for Instance, that is | 20:50 |
| shardy | radix: not yet, please do, it was discussed ref https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42462/ | 20:50 |
| radix | okie doke | 20:51 |
| zaneb | radix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1215132 | 20:51 |
| radix | whoah. nice new format for jenkins comments :D | 20:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1215132 in heat "Nova server gets deleted immediately after failed create" [High,Confirmed] | 20:51 |
| radix | zaneb: ok, I'll create a similar one for InstanceGroup. | 20:51 |
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| shardy | funzo: Did you get the feedback you needed re autoscaling last week? | 20:52 |
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| shardy | funzo: guess you mainly need to speak with asalkeld re alarms etc from your ML post? | 20:52 |
| funzo | I didn't have a long discussion, it was just pointing to the doc | 20:53 |
| radix | I can't assign bugs to milestones, so if someone wants to put https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1215140 in h3 that'd be peachy | 20:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1215140 in heat "InstanceGroup shouldn't delete instances that failed to be created" [Undecided,New] | 20:53 |
| funzo | shardy: I believe the general thought is we could use nested stacks as a first cut, but I've been focused more on DIB this past week. | 20:53 |
| shardy | funzo: Ok, well shout if there's any info you need from us :) | 20:54 |
| funzo | shardy: I'll probably talk more about the scaling work when the rhel images are booting in os | 20:54 |
| funzo | shardy: definitely will, thx | 20:54 |
| shardy | funzo: Ok, cool | 20:54 |
| shardy | anything else before we wrap things up? | 20:54 |
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| shardy | Ok then, well thanks all! | 20:55 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 20:55:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-21-20.01.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-21-20.01.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-21-20.01.log.html | 20:55 |
| therve | Thanks shardy! | 20:55 |
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| reed | hello | 23:01 |
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| reed | community meeting time anybody? | 23:01 |
| fifieldt | pick me! | 23:01 |
| reed | #startmeeting openstack-community | 23:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 23:02:41 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community' | 23:02 |
| reed | any action items from last week? | 23:03 |
| fifieldt | sarob normally likes to come to these | 23:03 |
| reed | yeah, I saw his message to the list | 23:03 |
| * fifieldt is grabbing the minuts | 23:03 | |
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| fifieldt | oh, just one carried over | 23:04 |
| reed | holy moly, I haven't commented on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | from previous meeting | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | :F | 23:04 |
| reed | indeed | 23:04 |
| * reed shames myself | 23:04 | |
| fifieldt | haha | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | I forgive you :) | 23:04 |
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| fifieldt | it's not exactly a high priority task | 23:05 |
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| reed | #action reed to *really* comment on fifieldt's email titled "Dealing with Out of Date wiki pages" | 23:05 |
| reed | anything else? | 23:06 |
| fifieldt | there were no other action items | 23:06 |
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| reed | #topic status update on running projects | 23:06 |
| fifieldt | other than a hope that we'd do a status update of the portal project | 23:06 |
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| reed | #info the user group portal is moving along, there is a review pending to create the web server and deploy the staging server based on Drupal | 23:07 |
| reed | #info the review is in the -infra backlog though, hopefully it will be processed on friday --this is an impediment for completing the sprint in time | 23:08 |
| fifieldt | poor infra :) | 23:08 |
| reed | right, the team has some members on vacation at the wrong time | 23:08 |
| reed | #info Ask OpenStack will be upgraded to a new version by the end of the week. The new strings in Chinese will be imported | 23:10 |
| fifieldt | :D | 23:10 |
| reed | from that topic, we need help to recruit and train moderators for Chinese | 23:11 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 23:12 |
| reed | any idea? | 23:12 |
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| fifieldt | have we asked freedomhui and duyijie yet? | 23:12 |
| fifieldt | duyujie* | 23:12 |
| reed | that would be the first thing to do | 23:12 |
| reed | I think I mentioned it to Bruce already | 23:13 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 23:13 |
| reed | ok | 23:13 |
| fifieldt | right - and bruce seems active already | 23:13 |
| * fifieldt wonders if we need to translate the mod guidelines | 23:13 | |
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| reed | #action email freedomhui and duyujie to recruite Ask-ZH moderators | 23:13 |
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| reed | fat finger, i mistyped recruit | 23:14 |
| fifieldt | it's just "european" style spelling :) | 23:14 |
| reed | rigtha | 23:15 |
| reed | righta | 23:15 |
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| fifieldt | :D | 23:15 |
| reed | next topic" | 23:15 |
| reed | ? | 23:15 |
| fifieldt | #info ambassador program discussion was launched | 23:15 |
| reed | hurrha | 23:15 |
| fifieldt | so, there's been a little discussion | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | a few direct emails | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | positive | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | and we're set to release the next blog post in a little while | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | maybe one week from the day the first one went up ? | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | I've also got the application form done in google forms for you to take a look at | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | we've already had people wanting to sign up, so to keep the momentum going should be online soonish | 23:17 |
| fifieldt | that's about all from me | 23:17 |
| fifieldt | oh, I should also make some wiki pages with more mundane details | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | that "getting started guide" idea | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | i.e. "sign up to the community list", idle in the IRC etc | 23:18 |
| reed | cool | 23:19 |
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| reed | wiki pages are good to start drafting | 23:20 |
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| reed | I think that the next blog post can go up any time early next week | 23:20 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:20 |
| fifieldt | so far all of the questions that have come up there was already an answer prepared on that post :) | 23:21 |
| reed | great :) | 23:21 |
| reed | other topics? | 23:21 |
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| fifieldt | none that immediately come to mind | 23:22 |
| reed | #topic review bugs | 23:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review bugs (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:22 | |
| reed | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community | 23:22 |
| reed | so, the askproject issues have been re-classified today with me and Evgeny | 23:22 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:23 |
| reed | s/with/by | 23:23 |
| reed | there are a set of wishlists that Evgeny is going to go through and give us an estimate for time/cost | 23:23 |
| reed | he fixed another issue on the Enthusiast badge | 23:23 |
| reed | lets keep an eye on it for another 5 days, try to login every day and see if it works | 23:24 |
| fifieldt | ok | 23:24 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:24 |
| fifieldt | will do | 23:24 |
| reed | I'm setting up a staging server for wikidsmart to work on those issues | 23:24 |
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| fifieldt | sounds like a good idea | 23:25 |
| reed | unfortunately the request to create a staging server got stuck in the infra queue | 23:25 |
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| fifieldt | poor infra :( | 23:25 |
| reed | yeah | 23:25 |
| reed | bitergia is back from vacation, regrouping with them tomorrow | 23:26 |
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| reed | questions? | 23:27 |
| fifieldt | goodo | 23:27 |
| fifieldt | no, sounds good | 23:27 |
| reed | #topic various topics | 23:27 |
| fifieldt | it would be great to make progress | 23:27 |
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| fifieldt | too many times I see random "null" messages in a users page :) | 23:27 |
| reed | is that because they have no bugs or commits or reviews in the past 6 months? | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | sometimes, yes | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | but I found another one like our german friend the other day | 23:28 |
| reed | I forgot to file a bug for that... it doesn't look good | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | it was filed | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1213287 | 23:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1213287 in openstack-community "Missing activity for contributor" [Critical,Confirmed] | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | oh, right, yeah | 23:28 |
| reed | you filed one... | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | I understand | 23:28 |
| reed | ok | 23:28 |
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| reed | on the various topics, we'll have a meeting in SF next week to debate more about 'What is core' | 23:30 |
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| reed | #link http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/134495312/ | 23:30 |
| fifieldt | yeah, noticed that | 23:31 |
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| * fifieldt mildly notes that there doesn't appear to be much contribution to that debate from outside the US | 23:32 | |
| reed | why aren't people joining the debate? | 23:32 |
| fifieldt | not sure | 23:32 |
| reed | Hui on the board? | 23:32 |
| sarob | hey | 23:33 |
| sarob | just joining in | 23:33 |
| fifieldt | hola sarob | 23:33 |
| reed | hi sarob | 23:33 |
| sarob | anything for me to catch up on? | 23:33 |
| fifieldt | your user portal update is above sarob | 23:33 |
| sarob | cool | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | reed, could be the open-confrontational style that the debate is running with ... | 23:34 |
| reed | sarob, TL;DR nothing cool to look at though, we hit an impediment with the infra team hyper-busy | 23:34 |
| sarob | i didnt create the meetup page for what is core btw | 23:34 |
| reed | sarob, I think Dave Nielsen created it | 23:35 |
| sarob | i would prefer if it was people that are super involved on the mailing lists and foundation work to lead the discussion | 23:35 |
| reed | sarob, agreed, I was surprised to see that event public | 23:36 |
| sarob | really really dont want to get off in some wierd direction | 23:36 |
| sarob | and stay focused | 23:36 |
| sarob | we need to get this settled before the nov board meeting i think | 23:36 |
| sarob | mostly settled at least ;) | 23:36 |
| reed | indeed | 23:37 |
| reed | sarob, for the training project you're leading, saw your post on the list | 23:37 |
| sarob | yeah | 23:37 |
| sarob | whatcha think so far | 23:38 |
| reed | how can I and Tom help? | 23:38 |
| sarob | ah, cool | 23:38 |
| reed | I still need to wrap my head around it, I get the feeling it's a huge task | 23:38 |
| sarob | we are sprinting for the next two weeks to get the associate training material filled out | 23:38 |
| sarob | part 1 of 4 | 23:39 |
| sarob | of training books | 23:39 |
| reed | will this be part of the documentation sprint too? | 23:39 |
| sarob | then 11sep after docsboot camp, we are holing up in pleasanton for the day for cleanup | 23:40 |
| reed | oh, cool | 23:40 |
| sarob | of the associate book | 23:40 |
| fifieldt | reed - the doc boot camp isn't a sprint, more of an onboarding event | 23:40 |
| sarob | right | 23:40 |
| reed | thanks | 23:40 |
| sarob | separate events but similar | 23:40 |
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| sarob | ive got 5 people part of training core | 23:41 |
| sarob | im looking for 5 more | 23:41 |
| reed | would a blog post help? | 23:41 |
| sarob | and about 20-40 community contributors from the user groups mostly | 23:41 |
| sarob | blog post would be super awesome | 23:41 |
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| reed | fifieldt, are you doing the training camp sprint? | 23:42 |
| fifieldt | I can't make it | 23:42 |
| fifieldt | need to get to china | 23:42 |
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| fifieldt | and silly international date line + flight wipes 2 days | 23:42 |
| reed | got it | 23:42 |
| sarob | thats what they all say | 23:42 |
| sarob | ;) | 23:42 |
| fifieldt | :D | 23:42 |
| fifieldt | so I'm leaving on the evening of the 10th | 23:42 |
| fifieldt | direct from the doc camp to the airport | 23:43 |
| reed | i'll draft the blog post then | 23:43 |
| sarob | coolo | 23:43 |
| sarob | ill email you some items like the eventbrite link | 23:43 |
| sarob | docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training | 23:44 |
| sarob | #link docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-training | 23:44 |
| reed | #action reed to draft a blog post to describe the training sprint, link to eventbrite, objectives and process | 23:44 |
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| reed | alright | 23:44 |
| reed | anything else? | 23:44 |
| sarob | sweet thx reed | 23:44 |
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| sarob | nope me good | 23:44 |
| reed | close the meeting? | 23:45 |
| sarob | ill review the log for stuff i missed | 23:45 |
| reed | 5 | 23:45 |
| reed | 4 | 23:45 |
| reed | 3 | 23:45 |
| reed | 2 | 23:45 |
| reed | 1 | 23:45 |
| fifieldt | ! | 23:45 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 23:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 23:45:44 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-08-21-23.02.html | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-08-21-23.02.txt | 23:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-08-21-23.02.log.html | 23:45 |
| fifieldt | thanks reed, sarob | 23:45 |
| reed | :) thanks everybody | 23:45 |
| reed | need to switch position, been sitting for 2 hours | 23:46 |
| reed | bbl | 23:46 |
| sarob | you guys are the wind beneath my | 23:46 |
| sarob | something | 23:46 |
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| sarob | cheers | 23:46 |
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