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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 19 19:00:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | who's here for the iRonic meeting | 19:00 |
| devananda | \o | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:00 |
| linggao | me | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | welcome all | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | ok first up. I've tried to keep the agenda a little more up to date. | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Agenda can be found at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | first up: | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #topic testing env | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing env (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
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| NobodyCam | # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41053/ | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | for devstack | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | looks like its getting a bit closer | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | is Roman around? | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | he's on vacations no? | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | oh thats right | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | that brings us to the Dib element | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | I've got a couple of -1 (which I expected) that I have yet to address in the reviews | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | I have addressed most of the issues in my (/nobodycam/) repo but have not pushed up the changed for review | 19:06 |
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| NobodyCam | I will get to that this week | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | any questions or comments? | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | the link for the repo u've the changes | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | is this one? https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic-element/ | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | yep thats the one | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic-element/ | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | I will add that link to my notes on the agenda | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | #topic in-progress tasks | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "in-progress tasks (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:08 | |
| NobodyCam | so moving on | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | un less there are more questions | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | Keystone authentication. | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | *admin-only done. v3 domains not working yet | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | any updates here? | 19:09 |
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| devananda | romcheg was working on that, iirc | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | ya so I think we're on hold till he get back :) | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | next up a biggie: PXE driver | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | image services patch LANDED! 35272 | 19:10 |
| * GheRivero yes yes yes! | 19:10 | |
| GheRivero | not where we like it, but it's there | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35272/ | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | Ghe awesome job getting that thru | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | several false starts | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | but great patch | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33616/ | 19:12 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33616/ | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | I've got a -1 on the last version but really for minor doc string stuff | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | any questions / comments for Ghe? | 19:13 |
| devananda | i'll review that right after the meeting | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | I've to review that patch, will try to find a time to do it tomorrow | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | :) Thnk you !!! | 19:13 |
| GheRivero | cool, waiting for it | 19:14 |
| devananda | landing and testing the PXE driver patch is going to be a really big step closer to ironic being usable | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++++ | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | indeed | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | o next up: IPMI name conflict with python-ipmi | 19:14 |
| devananda | name conflict is almost resolved. the -infra team has been renaming a few repos over the last week | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | jbjohnso and mordred have been working on this onw | 19:15 |
| devananda | :) | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41086/ | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42503/ | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | ok with out questions we'll move on. | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | recursive-driver-import problem! (FIXED) | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39617/ | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | Awesome fix devananda | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | any questions / comments for devananda (while he's still here, if only in body) | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | LOL | 19:18 |
| devananda | :p | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | ok then moving on. | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:18 | |
| NobodyCam | nested objects | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | and | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | sub resources | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | do we have any q/c on these | 19:19 |
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| lucasagomes | it was about having a subresource of the subresource? something like nodes/state/power ? | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | (do we need to keep them on hte agenda?) | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | if so I found a way to do it with wsme/pecan | 19:20 |
| devananda | nested objects - i think that's done | 19:20 |
| devananda | eg, chassis/123/nodes | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | it's on the 40844 | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40844/ | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | ok yea it's done :) | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | ok I'll revove for next meeting | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | now! | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | our epic: PUT vs PATCH in the API | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | yea epic saga | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | soooo | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | tl;dr PUT is really confusing | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | it says you have to update the whole document but I couldn't figure out if that includes the server-generated stuff like the links | 19:21 |
| devananda | looks like another rev of 40844 is up, i need to review that today too :) | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42690/ | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | So I entered the grey zone of the unclear usage of PUT, idk if it is or not allowed by the HTTP specification to do this full-but-yet-partial-update using PUT. | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | For what I read some ppl say yes and some ppl say no | 19:22 |
| mordred | NobodyCam: what did I do? | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | and as what we want to have is partial updates I'm suggesting us to use use PATCH instead, which is not a lot of extra work since there's available libs to work with json-patch and it that was created to solve the problem of the partial update. | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | lol mordred help with the python-ipmi rename! | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | TY mordred | 19:22 |
| mordred | yay! that's done | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | so there's a patch in the gerrit now, implementing patch for the chassis and nodes resources | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | any thoughts? | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | mordred: was getting ppl to +1 your patch on same | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: was that the link I just posted? | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | hmm | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | yea 42690 | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | that's the one | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:24 |
| devananda | ++ to PATCH | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | I was just about to say we really NEED both | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | put and patch | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | we will do PUT to update states for example... only when it makes sense to update the whole document | 19:25 |
| devananda | at the moment, my addled brain thinks we need both, but for different things | 19:25 |
| devananda | so we'll need to clearly lay out (in the API doc) which things should be updatd wqith PATCH and which with PUT | 19:26 |
| devananda | and i feel like there is actually a good reason for the difference | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | just a note | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | glance uses patch to update the images | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: would you be able to add any thought you have to the ethier pad before you go? | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-image-service/2.0/content/update-an-image.html | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | for those who don't have that link | 19:28 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: exactly! POST = create an image. PATCH = update the image. PUT = create a tag on the image. | 19:28 |
| devananda | so for us, POST might create a chassis, node, or port. PATCH would update the properties or driver properties of that thing. PUT would set specific things (states, for example) | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | :) +1 | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: does lucasagomes example of do PUT to update states fit that model | 19:29 |
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| devananda | i need to re-review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40844/8 after his last change | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:30 |
| devananda | iirc, it modelled PUT well, but there was some feedback on the state's internal representations that looks like it has been incorporated | 19:30 |
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| lucasagomes | yea, there's many things yet to be done about the states | 19:31 |
| devananda | yea | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | that review is more to expose it on the API | 19:31 |
| devananda | i dont want us to nitpick the states too much in this patch | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: :) | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | the internals, how it will actually works, conditions etc still need to be coded | 19:31 |
| devananda | because they /will/ evolve as we find edge cases, things we didn't think about, etc | 19:31 |
| devananda | right | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | yea, many corner cases, states will be something like | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | code first, document later | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | not to much later I hope | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | :D yea no, but we need to actually code and test in order to find all the conditionals, flaws etc | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | with out a working product doc are mainly what I reffer (myself and oters) to | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | the doc can come in the same review as the commit if that's the case :) | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | what I mean is... it's hard to have the states in the specification before coding | 19:34 |
| devananda | that's an interesting question, actually | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | lol .. U completely understand | 19:35 |
| devananda | should the reviewers reject patches that change behavior (eg, API) if a doc change isn't included? | 19:35 |
| devananda | (and with that, watch me derail the meeting :) ) | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | I usually do 2 commits, one for the doc and then one for the doc that depends on the code | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | I did it for the filtering | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | I actually planed for the put vs patch to be our longest section | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | but I don't mind in squashing it into 1 commit if that's the case | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | and then one for the code* | 19:36 |
| * lucasagomes tired | 19:36 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:36 |
| devananda | for inline docs, please do that in the same patch | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | oh yea +1 on that | 19:37 |
| devananda | for the sphinx docs, i can go either way, BUT, it's harder to enforce | 19:37 |
| devananda | if it comes in a second patch | 19:37 |
| devananda | and harder to review to ensure the doc change matches the code change | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | and takes more time to review | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:37 |
| devananda | since we currently have developer docs in the same repo, i really don't see a good reason to do two patches | 19:38 |
| devananda | at some point, we'll have to create deployer docs -- in the official openstack-docs repo(s). so that will have to be sseparate patch sets | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | I have no problem in doing in the same commit... I never got me thinking about it and the reasons posted here | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | sounds fair enough | 19:38 |
| devananda | great, thanks! | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | so I think we can start -1 patches that changes things like the API and has no documentation | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: want a #(action) for that :-p | 19:39 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: nah. that's more of an informal vote | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:39 |
| devananda | there is actually a formal vote mechanism, but i dont think we need to kick one off ... | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | ok so we decided here | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | to go with PATCH and PUT | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | :) any thing else on this topic | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | and -1 reviews that changes things like API without docs | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | yes! | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | cool :) | 19:41 |
| devananda | #agreed reviewers to start -1'ing patches that do not include doc updates | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | ok then moving on #topic FFT / open discussion | 19:41 |
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| * NobodyCam notes fft = Food For Thought | 19:41 | |
| NobodyCam | just sometihng to keep in mind | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | where the vendor_passthru should actually live? | 19:42 |
| devananda | #agreed use PUT and PATCH for the appropriate things. PUT = state changes, tags, etc. PATCH = change item(s) in a larger document (eg, driver properties) | 19:42 |
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| lucasagomes | /drivers/ or /nodes/ | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | I dind't think much about it yet | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | anyone has something to say about it? is Yuri here? | 19:42 |
| devananda | oh, just realized - NobodyCam - you didn't chair me, so my #agreed things propbably didnt count :) | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | ieek | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:43 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:43 |
| devananda | #agreed reviewers to start -1'ing patches that do not include doc updates | 19:43 |
| devananda | #agreed use PUT and PATCH for the appropriate things. PUT = state changes, tags, etc. PATCH = change item(s) in a larger document (eg, driver properties) | 19:43 |
| devananda | ty :) | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | :-p doh | 19:43 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:44 | |
| devananda | lucasagomes: the first level of the path is specifying the type of thing being affected, ya? | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | yea | 19:45 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: so i think that, when the pxe deploy ramdisk is sending data back, it should be sent to /nodes/123/vendor_passthru | 19:45 |
| devananda | since it is first and foremost dealing with the deploy of a specific node | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | so I'm inclined to do it in the /nodes ... since it's says the "node" is deployed and things like that | 19:45 |
| devananda | :) | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | yea... like that :) | 19:45 |
| devananda | where i think we may eventually want /drivers/foo/vendor_passthru is for things like | 19:46 |
| devananda | PUT {'action': 'discover', 'range': '192.168.100.0/24'} /drivers/ipmi/vendor_passthru | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | indeed | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | also the format... I think you suggested 2 things before | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | POST {'method': 'noop', 'data': ... } /nodes/1/vendor_passthru | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | or | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | POST {'data': ... } /nodes/1/vendor_passthru/noop | 19:48 |
| devananda | yea | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I like #2 | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | where in the second case the /noop actually does not exists in the api code | 19:49 |
| devananda | i dont have enough familiarity with other APIs to have an opinion on the interface | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | well I'd say #1 is easier | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | idk how to expose something that doesnt exist in the api | 19:49 |
| devananda | i think we can implement #2 using Pecan's default handler | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | I can try to make a prototype | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:50 |
| devananda | #link https://pecan.readthedocs.org/en/latest/routing.html#falling-back-with-default | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | but you have read the data blob to see whats being requested #1 | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | s#1/with #1/ | 19:50 |
| devananda | what i like about #2 is that the driver's method is required by the URI, not by the message body | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | yea it's looks more clear indeed | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | much better said then my words | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | 10 minutes left | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | ok so... we are inclined to use the #2 model | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | I will reasearch it, see if I can find some examples | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | +1 from /me | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | and do a prototype | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | awesome TY lucasagomes :) | 19:51 |
| devananda | also, it lends itself much better to the approach of "we dont introspect the body for vendor_passhthru" | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: you still here | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 19:52 |
| devananda | the goal really being that ironic just blindly passes what ever data it gets to the driver | 19:52 |
| linggao | yes, I am here | 19:52 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: so the routing (ie, the driver.method) being in the URI, not the body, is really best, IMO, if we can do that | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | :) linggao do you have anyquestions we can help with? | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | will try that when I get a time to a prototype | 19:52 |
| devananda | ty | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | I'm still working on some internal things and upstream half-time each | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | but I will try to do it this week | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:53 |
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| NobodyCam | linggao: was looking at doing power on / off | 19:54 |
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| linggao | NobodyCam, I will ask after meeting. It's more like how to setup the client-server connection for ironic conductor | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | was just seeing if you got an answer to your questions in channel | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, power on power off? virtualdriver (sshdriver)? | 19:54 |
| linggao | I got some idears from danvananda and you and lucas, trying them now. | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | :) ok | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | w00t, | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: more the frame work for start_power_state_change | 19:55 |
| linggao | lucasagomes: I am trying to see if I can help on the function in conductor manager. | 19:56 |
| devananda | one quick announcement, just in case anyone hasn't heard | 19:56 |
| * NobodyCam still unsure about start_ prefix | 19:56 | |
| lucasagomes | linggao, ahh sweet! | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:56 |
| devananda | I'll be GONE for the next 2 weeks. No email, no phone, etc... so. NobodyCam will be running the show :) | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | ieek | 19:57 |
| linggao | lucasagomes: have to make sure to get connected from your client side. | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, hehe I couldn't think about anything better as well, I just renamed form start_state_change to start_power_state_change since we now have power and provision states | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | I'm in the same boat I think | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | lol :) | 19:57 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++. provisioning will be a challenge to do driver-independently | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | yea | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, a note to ur note... enjoy the burning man :) | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | saw some videos, looks awesome | 19:58 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: thanks! | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | Awesome meeting everyone! | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: Enjoy the brun... We will be thinking abut you | 19:59 |
| devananda | thanks, everyone! ya'll are doing awesome things ~~ I look forward to seeing all the great changes when I get back :) | 19:59 |
| linggao | devananda: enjoy the vacation. | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | any last words? | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | and with that: | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | hmmm not from me hehe I'm just thinking about going to watch some series and relax now | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 20:00:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-08-19-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-08-19-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-08-19-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you everyone!!!! | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | morning! | 20:03 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 20:03 |
| dkehn | afternoon | 20:03 |
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| lifeless | #topic agenda | 20:03 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 19 20:03:56 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:04 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 20:04 |
| lifeless | Grizzly test rack status | 20:04 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 20:04 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 20:04 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:04 | |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 20:04 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: I'm begging debugging bug 1182249 and bug 1183223 today | 20:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1182249 in tripleo "quantum configuration is overly hardcoded" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182249 | 20:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1183223 in tripleo "nova-compute.yaml missing parameters" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183223 | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | beginning | 20:05 |
| lifeless | jog0: any news on bug 1184484 ? | 20:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184484 in neutron "Quantum default settings will cause deadlocks due to overflow of sqlalchemy_pool" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184484 | 20:05 |
| lifeless | I'm fairly sure no-one is on the POC changes yet; but I think we're right on the cusp of that being a tackleable thing | 20:06 |
| lifeless | bug 1213967 was filed overnight, I want to attract jog0's attention and confirm it's nova, then submit a revert for that patch | 20:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1213967 in tripleo "Seed VM filtering out compute resources" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213967 | 20:06 |
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| lifeless | cause you know, being able to boot baremetal is a thing | 20:06 |
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| lifeless | I'll ping markmcclain about bug 1189385 later today | 20:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189385 in tripleo "quantum-server hung up it's listening port" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189385 | 20:07 |
| lifeless | Any other bug discussion? | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: re POC bugs, I have one critical Heat bug I need to handle today/tomorrow, and then I think I can tackle them (the other two criticals I'm on are I think mostly "rewrite the bug and demote to High or Medium". | 20:08 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: cool | 20:08 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:08 |
| lifeless | #topic Grizzly Rack status | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly Rack status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:08 | |
| lifeless | still ticking along. And see ^^ | 20:09 |
| lifeless | anything else on the racks? | 20:09 |
| lifeless | erm, rack? | 20:09 |
| lifeless | #topic CI virtualised test progress | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI virtualised test progress (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:10 | |
| pleia2 | so last week I had some slowness issues with lxc, but they've disappeared this week, can't replicate | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | right now I'm working on what we'll need to modify in boot-seed-vm to support lxc | 20:11 |
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| pleia2 | libvirtd support for lxc exists and I got it working, just need to work through making a .xml file that does everything we want in lxc (will be similar to kvm, but needs some modifications) | 20:11 |
| lifeless | cool | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | it doesn't support everything though, no shutdown, just destroy, but that shouldn't be a big deal since it's just the seed vm | 20:12 |
| lifeless | do you need any assistance ? | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | not at the moment, do you use lxc with libvirtd at all? | 20:12 |
| lifeless | I have not, though I am aware of the existence of it | 20:13 |
| lifeless | others may have though ;) | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | ok, converting an lxc .conf file into an .xml file is an interesting task, I'll shout if I get stuck | 20:13 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:13 |
| lifeless | anything else, or next topic ? | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | oh, and tracking notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleobaremetallxc2013 | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | that's it :) | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleobaremetallxc2013 | 20:14 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:14 | |
| lifeless | I'd like to get more folk promoted to reviewer | 20:14 |
| lifeless | we have ng/spamaps/devananda/my/arata | 20:14 |
| lifeless | s/my/me/ | 20:15 |
| lifeless | I figure if we have 2 folk in each broad tz - us, asia, eu - we could go to two x +2 to land | 20:15 |
| lifeless | without adversely impacting velocity | 20:15 |
| lifeless | and that would also help with folk in those broad areas who currently often have to wait for reviews | 20:16 |
| lifeless | crickets? | 20:19 |
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| SpamapS | that would require people to start +1'ing/-1'ing who are not already reviewers | 20:19 |
| lifeless | Am I still online? | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | I have not seen much of that | 20:19 |
| * derekh is interested and will try to spend more time on reviews to help make it happen | 20:20 | |
| dkehn | yes lifeless u are | 20:20 |
| dkehn | at least u were | 20:21 |
| lifeless | I am :) | 20:21 |
| lifeless | Ok | 20:21 |
| lifeless | Are folk generally happy with reviews? | 20:21 |
| dkehn | no | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | Are they prompt enough? Are they useful? Are we catching defects, not [just] making the codebase pretty? | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | my only gripe is exactly what you brought up.. we need more reviewers | 20:22 |
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| slagle | i'm generally happy with the reviews. agree that more reviewers would be nice. | 20:23 |
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| dkehn | in the neutron area, they are anythin but prompt, they can be helpful, but in the final stages they seem to be a bit more code my way items. | 20:24 |
| slagle | i can devote some time to doing reviews. you don't have to be a "core" reviewer to just +1/-1 right? | 20:24 |
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| lifeless | slagle: that is correct. | 20:24 |
| lifeless | slagle: anyone with a gerrit account can +1/-1 | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | We need a unicode character that represents a bike shed. | 20:24 |
| slagle | k. i'll start looking at some stuff | 20:24 |
| lifeless | dkehn: :( I feel for you | 20:24 |
| dkehn | lifeless, I know, you are my sounding board | 20:25 |
| lifeless | dkehn: how is the neutron + neutronclient + nova patchset looking? | 20:25 |
| lifeless | dkehn: last week it looked like nova was ready to land? | 20:25 |
| dkehn | lifeless, went through the last round on the neutron and client waiting for someone to review it, not sure where that will go, markmcclain indicated that we are there, but ....., on the nova side, I've got to file a bug | 20:26 |
| lifeless | dkehn: cool! | 20:26 |
| dkehn | lifeless, gto hit with a nasty alembic process change that cost me some time | 20:27 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: you mentioned the other day that you'd like a bit more connectivity with folk; I was wondering - perhaps we should setup 2/3 hangouts a week - one NZ-US friendly, one US-EU friendly, and perhaps one EU-NZ friendly | 20:27 |
| dkehn | lifeless, will take to you offline about the russellb comments | 20:28 |
| lifeless | dkehn: ok | 20:28 |
| dkehn | lifeless, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31061/ | 20:28 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: something explicitly social and chatty vs formal progress like this meeting | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: indeed, I feel that bandwidth is too low between participants and the summit is way too far apart to make up for the loss in cohesion. | 20:28 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I can fedex you some superglue | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | no thanks, that always ends in something being glued to something it shouldn't be glued to. | 20:29 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: lots of cohesion :) | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | like a pencil glued to the bottom of a desk. :) | 20:29 |
| lifeless | so, who would attend such a hangout(s) ? | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:30 |
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| derekh | tripleo hangout? I'd join in if tz allowed it | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | I wouldn't mind a larger scale but less frequent too.. | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | like once a month | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | Since we seem to have low interest in the meeting, I'll think about some ideas for how to get people more connected and present next week. | 20:33 |
| lifeless | well we haven't got ng's attention right now, nor GheRivero, I suspect. | 20:34 |
| lifeless | and devananda will be heading off to burning man ~ now, so also likely not tuned in. | 20:34 |
| lifeless | I suspect a little socialisation via the dev list might get more interest | 20:34 |
| lifeless | I'd be happy to attend some hangouts | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | ok will revisit the idea next week and/or on dev list | 20:35 |
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| lifeless | cool | 20:37 |
| lifeless | last call for discussion... | 20:37 |
| derekh | In toci land, I had a jenkins jobs triggering on various projects for a week or so a couple of weeks ago, but then it broke because toci fell behind various tripleo changes, would people be interested in getting this reporting on gerrit? | 20:37 |
| dkehn | cue crickets | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | derekh: -yes- | 20:37 |
| derekh | Unfortunatly toci breaks often because its mostly me keeping it uptodate, but if it was visibly reporting that might help out that situation and help catch regresions. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | I believe though, that pleia2's work is exactly focused on that | 20:37 |
| lifeless | derekh: hell yes | 20:38 |
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| lifeless | derekh: I'd really quite like toci to be gating on incubator/tie/tht set | 20:38 |
| lifeless | derekh: but | 20:38 |
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| lifeless | derekh: I'm not super happy about the redundancy we have between incubator and toci | 20:38 |
| derekh | ok, I'll get it set up again and we can see how it goes | 20:39 |
| lifeless | derekh: [but tools for deployers aren't themselves CI, so making toci the source of truth feels wrong] | 20:39 |
| derekh | lifeless: ya, as much as possible I'm using the scipts in incubator | 20:39 |
| derekh | lifeless: but the devtest instructions themselves are another story | 20:39 |
| lifeless | derekh: yeah; I'm nearly finished on the arc of removing API calls from within the image | 20:40 |
| lifeless | derekh: at which point I think I'm going to go drink some bubbly :) | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | my work is sort of a basic subset of toci, I'll certainly be referencing it once I get to the automation phase | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | (right now just working to get it running manually) | 20:41 |
| lifeless | derekh: pleia2: Once BM is gate-tested, I'd surely like a zuul owned cloud hosted tripleo full test story. | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | that would be very nice | 20:41 |
| derekh | lifeless: would be cool | 20:42 |
| pleia2 | mordred is also working on some takeovernode stuff for d-g, I have a review to do | 20:42 |
| derekh | the job I was doing was booting seed + undercloud | 20:43 |
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| pleia2 | I'm just doing seed + bmnodes | 20:43 |
| lifeless | pleia2: I don't think takeovernode will help [much] in the cloud test story as we need isolated networks | 20:44 |
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| derekh | anyways I'll be out most of this week so probably wont get to it until next week. | 20:44 |
| lifeless | pleia2: unless/until there are two CI test clouds with full private SDN | 20:44 |
| lifeless | derekh: kk | 20:44 |
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| pleia2 | lifeless: yeah, there is that :\ | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | ok | 20:48 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 20:48:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-08-19-20.03.html | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-08-19-20.03.txt | 20:49 |
| lifeless | thanks for playing! | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | thanks lifeless! | 20:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-08-19-20.03.log.html | 20:49 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha... | 20:59 |
| armax | aloha to you | 20:59 |
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| * mestery wonders if salv-orlando is on an island somewhere. | 21:00 | |
| nati_ueno | Konnitiwa | 21:00 |
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| enikanorov | hi | 21:01 |
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| emagana | hola! | 21:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Hi all | 21:01 |
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| * marun wishes I was on an island somewhere. | 21:01 | |
| garyk | hi | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: Great Britain is indeed an island! | 21:01 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Ha! | 21:01 |
| garyk | salv-orlando: :) | 21:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:01 |
| dkehn | here | 21:02 |
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| armax | I thought the _tropical_ was implicit | 21:02 |
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| armax | GB is far from tropical :P | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting networkings | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networkings' | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #endmeetings | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | oops | 21:03 |
| armax | that was quick | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting networking | 21:03 |
| openstack | markmcclain: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 21:03 |
| armax | :) | 21:03 |
| dkehn | that was quick | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuu | 21:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | :D | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 21:03:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networkings/2013/networkings.2013-08-19-21.02.html | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networkings/2013/networkings.2013-08-19-21.02.txt | 21:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networkings/2013/networkings.2013-08-19-21.02.log.html | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | yeah wanted to set a new record :) | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting networking | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 19 21:03:48 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:03 |
| garyk | can i go back to sleep :) | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | this one will probably run a little longer than 30s | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:04 | |
| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | #info The feature proposal freeze is end of day Friday August 23rd | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | We're actually looking pretty good for this deadline. We've got almost everything already proposal | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | s/proposal/proposed/ | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | which means we'll spend the next 2 weeks reviewing/merging and closing out the critical bugs | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | #topic bugs | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:07 | |
| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | We've got 3 open critical bugs | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1208661 | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1208661 in neutron "nova show command sometimes don't includes ip address" [Critical,In progress] | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | and | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1210483 | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210483 in neutron "ServerAddressesTestXML.test_list_server_addresses FAIL" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | are related to bugs discovered tempest testing | 21:08 |
| nati_ueno | Accoding to 1208661, | 21:08 |
| nati_ueno | Sometimes, nova show didn't has ip address. | 21:08 |
| nati_ueno | I can't reproduce it yet, but I send devstack patch for adding more logging. It is merged now | 21:09 |
| nati_ueno | so We may get more hint | 21:09 |
| nati_ueno | May be we can drop priority for high, because error late by this one is not so high | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | any other critical or high bugs we need to discuss? | 21:10 |
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| marun | yes | 21:11 |
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| marun | the gate blocking bug is fixed, waiting on a merge of the renabling patch | 21:11 |
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| marun | there is a bug in the grenade gate that is delaying approval, but hopefully it goes in before any other bugs slip through | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | marun: do you have a number? | 21:12 |
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| marun | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1210664 | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210664 in tempest "neutron can't setup basic network connnectivity in gate jobs" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:12 |
| marun | the fixes are in, it's just the tempest patch to enable the connectivity check that is pending | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | ah cool | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | marun, markmcclain: the latest gating issue led me to think that probably we should try and cover more scenarios in tempest. What do you reckon? | 21:13 |
| marun | salv-orlando: no comment | 21:13 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: the lack of good lower-level testing make adding more scenarios a problematic choice | 21:14 |
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| salv-orlando | cool. Thanks for the input. I don't think this is the right meeting topic | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | \ | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | so let's move on. | 21:14 |
| marun | fair enough | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: yeah I think we to bulk up the tests on a few different levels.. we should definitely setup a discussion on this | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | cool | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | Any other bug items? | 21:16 |
| nati_ueno | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42737/ | 21:16 |
| nati_ueno | This is third times duplicated work for multi workers. | 21:16 |
| nati_ueno | # I'm not sure we should talk on it now | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. this not really a bug as much as a new small feature | 21:17 |
| marun | Whatever is finally merged, is there consensus that a non-threaded mode is desirable to aid in debugging? | 21:17 |
| jackmccann | there is a bp for multi-workers | 21:18 |
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| nati_ueno | Ok I'll -2 for this patch, and let's go on meetings | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | jackmccann: right.. I think that is where the duplication occurred because one version filed via BP and the other via a bug | 21:19 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36487/ is correct one? | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | marun: yes it is nice to be able to trigger single threaded mode at times | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: possibly I'll compare the different versions after the meeting | 21:20 |
| marun | markmcclain: I'll make a note on the bp | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | marun: thanks | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | #topic docs | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Ok so could you -2 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42737/. After you decided correct one | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: done | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:21 |
| emagana | Paul M. committed the VPNaaS API: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41702/ | 21:21 |
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| emagana | reviews are welcome! | 21:21 |
| emagana | and needed! | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | yes sir! | 21:22 |
| annegentle | oo! With samples, nice. | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | pcm_: thanks for writing the docs | 21:22 |
| annegentle | o/ wanted to ask a Q | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | annegentle: hi.. go ahead | 21:22 |
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| annegentle | The doc team is noodling on two things - | 21:23 |
| annegentle | one is, assigning a "doc lead" per team. emagana has been doing a great job at this, just wanted to let you all know we want to replicate across teams | 21:23 |
| annegentle | basically the doc lead will help triage doc bugs and help get info. emagana is good at this :) | 21:24 |
| emagana | annegentle: Thanks!! | 21:24 |
| annegentle | two is, we're probably going to "only" release the Install Guide and a Config Ref for Havana | 21:24 |
| annegentle | this means a couple of things - the Network Admin Guide may have some sections deleted/moved | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | +1 I think having a doc lead is needed role | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. is there a preliminary list of sections to be cut or it too early? | 21:25 |
| annegentle | It's possible the Network Admin Guide will fold into the Config Ref. I was able to do that for the Block Storage Admin Guide. | 21:25 |
| annegentle | Not so sure it'll work on the Network Admin Guide, but, it is a ton of config | 21:25 |
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| annegentle | markmcclain: for example, move install info into the install guide with one patch | 21:26 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. agreed the network guide is definitely a lot of config | 21:27 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: your Admin guide is one I hate to do too much to, but it is mostly config | 21:27 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: all of this is to try to offer "OpenStack unified docs" rather than project-by-project... it's still under discussion | 21:27 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: but I want to bring it up at individual project meetings to get input and feedback | 21:27 |
| annegentle | make sure we're not missing something obvious, and so on | 21:27 |
| annegentle | since neutron's core it's pretty easy to say what "has" to be documented | 21:28 |
| annegentle | Integrated, it's harder to say. | 21:28 |
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| annegentle | So just wanted to share and let you all know what' we're noodling on ahead of release | 21:28 |
| annegentle | And, I want the teams to be able to know where to put docs | 21:28 |
| annegentle | questions? | 21:29 |
| nati_ueno | annegentle: How about API guide? | 21:29 |
| annegentle | nati_ueno: the API guide remains the same | 21:29 |
| nati_ueno | annegentle: gotcha | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | thanks for sharing.. .I think unified docs make for a better user experience so I'm glad the discussion is occurring | 21:30 |
| annegentle | this discussion is all about "release" docs | 21:30 |
| annegentle | API docs are ongoing | 21:30 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: thanks for having a docs topic in your meetings! | 21:30 |
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| * annegentle is done now | 21:30 | |
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| salv-orlando | annegentle: I tend to agree with a unified admin guide for all openstack projects. My only latent concern is that it will become a sort of encyclopaedia (i.e.: huge set of books) | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | a bit like windows NT administrator guides | 21:31 |
| annegentle | salv-orlando: oh believe me I share that concern :) it's intimidating as can be. | 21:31 |
| annegentle | salv-orlando: I think the Operations Guide struck a balance, but it doesn't have SDN to speak of | 21:32 |
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| annegentle | it's totally possible that Networking needs its own guide | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | annegentle: SDN? what is SDN? ;) we understand only neutrons here | 21:32 |
| annegentle | salv-orlando: hee hee | 21:33 |
| * mestery chuckles. | 21:33 | |
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| annegentle | what's your sense of Who are the admins? Operators? Network admins? Sys admins? | 21:33 |
| annegentle | we have done some user analysis with the user committee's data but would like your sense of it too | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | In my experience, we get all of them - but I do not have a lot of data points. | 21:34 |
| annegentle | salv-orlando: yep | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | my experience has been a random mix of folks too.. really depends on the size of the deployment | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | Any other doc items? | 21:35 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: yeah at a meetup in Austin 2 months ago I ran into a few network admins but they are few and far between. And they don't like SDN that much (security concerns mostly it seemed, like "you're gonna let users do what with my network? ) | 21:35 |
| marun | hah | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | elect doc lead for Neutron? | 21:35 |
| emagana | new bug file for Mellanox plugin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1214117 | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1214117 in openstack-manuals "Include Mellanox plugin in networking guide" [Undecided,New] | 21:35 |
| annegentle | salv-orlando: emagana volunteered! I don't wanna add more governance :) | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | so emagana is | 21:36 |
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| emagana | :-0 | 21:36 |
| annegentle | salv-orlando: though I consider you the point for API docs | 21:36 |
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| nati_ueno | +1 for emagana :) | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | annegentle: Yup, I am still the API docs guy. | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | speaking of the API | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | #topic API | 21:38 |
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| salv-orlando | I haven't yet been moaning about API docs for the new features, because the guys have been really busy with the admin docs | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | but I will begin moaning, or barking, soon. | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | Codewise, everything is quiet on the API side. | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | except for the commit discussion | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | However, there is this thing about commit logic for Fw rules | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: yup | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | I am happy to move the discussion to gerrtit | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | unless we feel we want to chat about it here | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | in which case I suggest the open discussion topic | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | as we're already 42 mins into the meeting | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | ok.. let's focus the discuss on the review | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | #topic VPNaaS | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VPNaaS (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:40 | |
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| nati_ueno | OK still codes are in review. | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: seems to be a bit of progress this week on whether to support openswan or strongswan | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | I understand the reason for switching | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I'm going to support both. because RHEL only support openswan | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Ah no, we don't switch, I'm adding both | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | but wondering whether the burden will higher than if we just picked one | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | which would have to be openswan unless strong could be included in RDO correct? | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: it should be 200-300 line review burden https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42264/ | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: so in other hand, may guys want to use StrongSwan, | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: so 200-300 lines code is good for this | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: also who don't like mounting can use openswan version | 21:43 |
| marun | nati_ueno: too much free time :P | 21:43 |
| nati_ueno | marun: free time? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | right.. the burden will be more on docs and support as the there will be differences | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: is that patch for strong swan or open swan? | 21:43 |
| marun | nati_ueno: if resources are limited, pick one and get it right before supporting two | 21:43 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: 42264 is for openswan | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | cool the commit message confused me a bit (first line says openswan and the 2nd says 'wii' to support also openswan) | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: Ah sorry the patch is still WIP | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | so you will have a single driver for both openswan and strong swan? | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | or two drivers? | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: Two drivers | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | OK so let's choose | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | ok - so chances of strong swan support breaking open swan are negligible? | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | A) 1 driver with StronSwan | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | B) 2 drvier | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | C) 1 driver with OpenSwan | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: I believe so | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | let's take a look at the reviews and can discuss this more over the ML | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | Anyway, in future, we will have multiple drvier. so discussion is for H3 | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | I will vote for the safest solution, i.e.: the one in which I know openswan driver works pretty much everywhere. | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha | 21:46 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: please note the openswan support is in WIP | 21:46 |
| nati_ueno | That's all from me | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: noted… thanks for the update | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | garyk: hi | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | #undo | 21:48 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x29c1990> | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | #topic FWaaS/SG | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS/SG (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:48 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for FWaaS - Driver patch was merged, nice work RajeshMohan, and thanks to the reviewers | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Devstack patch (rchunduru) and Horizon patch (KC) are awaiting (hopefully) a final push from the reviewers | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and of course - the "hot" topic as voted by salv-orlando - commit API :-) | 21:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I removed the WIP on the commit operation patch over the weekend, it's ready for review | 21:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan has started CLI work for this | 21:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thoughts/questions/comments? | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (my update is done) | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | I am reviewing the code, even if I will now suspend and resume when i wake up. I will comment on gerrit | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: thanks | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | gerrit is a good place to focus the discussion | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | #topic LBaaS | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov: hi | 21:51 |
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| enikanorov | hi | 21:51 |
| enikanorov | two major patches are pending | 21:51 |
| enikanorov | integration with service type framework - I think we need some discussion about noop driver | 21:52 |
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| enikanorov | nati_ueno has a followup patch that applies the same approach to vpnaas | 21:52 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: FWaaS is going support this? | 21:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: not in H3, there isn't' enough time | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it wasn't planned to begin with | 21:54 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 21:54 |
| salv-orlando | the initial issue, to give more context, is 'what happens when a provider is removed'? | 21:54 |
| enikanorov | there are a couple of issues, I believe. but right, that is where it started | 21:54 |
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| salv-orlando | it seems, from previous discussions, that this a sort of 'natural' use case, and neutron should take steps for 'salvaging' orphaned resources | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | now, which steps should be taken, and how orphaned resources should be treated is what is being discussed | 21:55 |
| enikanorov | i think it's a part of the question | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | It seems there's wide agreement on the communities working on VPN and LB on this approach | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | I don't know what people working on FW think of it. | 21:55 |
| enikanorov | more generic is whether to allow update on 'provider' attribute | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | IMO, we need provide way to remove a provider for admin | 21:56 |
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| enikanorov | i don't see why it should be restricted to admins, actually | 21:57 |
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| salv-orlando | Exactly what problem are you aiming at tackling for the Havana release? | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | I agree with enikanorov that should we restrict a tenant from switching for simplicity the answer for Havana might be no or will be something outside the scope we'll support | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | *should not | 21:57 |
| enikanorov | if we ever allow changing providers for the resource, we must support removing provider from resource as well | 21:58 |
| enikanorov | that would be logicaly natural | 21:58 |
| enikanorov | and it also will cover the case of 'removed' provider | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | agreed.. honestly this feels a like a good summit session instead of something the cram in at the last minute | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | My option would be to just deal, if we want, with the configuration issue arising from removing a provider which is used by active resources | 21:59 |
| nati_ueno | My comment is for H3, so "at least admin can remove provider" | 21:59 |
| enikanorov | ok. another phrasing could be 'creating pure logical resources' | 21:59 |
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| salv-orlando | and as markmclain suggest, discuss provider associates updates and unbound resources at the summit | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | We're running short on time, so we can carry this over to a ML discussion | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 22:00 |
| enikanorov | ok, sure | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov: I think you'll find people arguing all neutron resources are purely logical, but let's move on | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | mestery: want to update? | 22:00 |
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| mestery | marmcclain: Hi | 22:00 |
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| mestery | So, ML2 is coming along nicely. We're tracking the 2 final BPs for H3 now (port-binding and multi-segment API). | 22:01 |
| mestery | We are striving to get reviews out for those before feature freeze. | 22:01 |
| mestery | Also, some MechanismDrivers are close to merging as well, so that's good news. | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | good news all around | 22:02 |
| mestery | Overall, ML2 is humming along nicely. | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the update | 22:02 |
| mestery | markmcclain: sure, thanks! | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 22:03 |
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| geoffarnold | As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, we’re submitting a (potentially controversial) proposal for managing multivendor multi-instance phys/virt L3-L7 resources. We’re talking about Icehouse, not Havana. We plan to demo a proof-of-concept implementation in Hong Kong and discuss including it in the Icehouse program. I’ve just posted the Blueprint: it’s at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-netw | 22:03 |
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| enikanorov | -2 minutes left for open discussion | 22:03 |
| enikanorov | -3 even | 22:03 |
| nati_ueno | FYI we can see list of reviews here http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#neutron sorted by priorites | 22:03 |
| mestery | geoffarnold: Thanks for the link, will take a peek at this. | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | geoffarnold: make sure you submit a design session when it opens | 22:04 |
| enikanorov | geoffarnold: broken link? | 22:04 |
| mestery | geoffarnold: broken link | 22:04 |
| geoffarnold | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-network-resource-mgmt | 22:04 |
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| markmcclain | with the conference and summit running concurrently it is hard for many on the core team to see too many conference sessions until the videos are posted | 22:04 |
| geoffarnold | Full version here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Dnrm-blueprint-001.pdf | 22:04 |
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| geoffarnold | I've submitted a conf session; I'll submit a design session too | 22:05 |
| markmcclain | Any other open discussion items? | 22:05 |
| markmcclain | since enikanorov pointed out we're over time :) | 22:05 |
| enikanorov | :) | 22:06 |
| markmcclain | I want to thank everyone for their hard work getting the proposals in on time | 22:07 |
| markmcclain | Be on the lookout for a few discussions to spring up the ML or the gerrit reviews we discussed | 22:07 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 19 22:07:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-08-19-21.03.html | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-08-19-21.03.txt | 22:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-08-19-21.03.log.html | 22:07 |
| salv-orlando | adieeeuuuuuuuuuuuu | 22:08 |
| markmcclain | later | 22:08 |
| nati_ueno | Sayonara | 22:08 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Thank you as well for the great work leading hte team! | 22:08 |
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| garyk | night | 22:11 |
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| russian | Hey guys, please check http://www.oldandnewleaves.org/2013/08/the-paupers-party-in-ny-and-hosni.html | 22:34 |
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