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| fifieldt_ | so very close :) | 12:57 |
| slong | hi there | 12:58 |
| * fifieldt_ gets pumped up | 12:58 | |
| fifieldt_ | doc meetings are great :) | 12:58 |
| fifieldt_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 12:58 |
| slong | :) | 12:59 |
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| fifieldt_ | 8am in Austin, it's earlly :) | 13:02 |
| * fifieldt_ prods annegentle awake | 13:02 | |
| fifieldt_ | anyone else here for the meeting? | 13:03 |
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| fifieldt_ | EmilienM might be | 13:03 |
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| EmilienM | o/ | 13:03 |
| * koolhead17 is here | 13:03 | |
| fifieldt_ | koolhead17 is indeed here | 13:04 |
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| roadnick | morning, all | 13:04 |
| * dnavale is here | 13:04 | |
| fifieldt_ | hi roadnick, dnavale | 13:04 |
| EmilienM | hello guys | 13:04 |
| sgordon | fifieldt, i sent a message in the main channel and pinged some peeps | 13:04 |
| sgordon | let's see | 13:04 |
| koolhead17 | sgordon, thank you sir!! :) | 13:05 |
| dnavale | hello fifieldt_ | 13:05 |
| koolhead17 | roadnick, EmilienM dnavale hi | 13:05 |
| fifieldt_ | if anyone wants to read the minutes while waiting, they're at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-07-09-13.01.html | 13:05 |
| fifieldt_ | I'm not sure what's happened to annegentle :) | 13:05 |
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| fifieldt_ | probably just finishing up a quick few thousand words before breakfast | 13:06 |
| fifieldt_ | Let's wait until 1310 UTC in case she appears | 13:06 |
| * fifieldt_ nods to shaunm | 13:06 | |
| fifieldt_ | cyeoh, are you around to answer for your docs action items in a few minutes? | 13:07 |
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| fifieldt_ | I'm counting roadnick, koolhead17, dnavale, sgordon, EmilienM, slong and shaunm - good turnout :) Do you all know each other? | 13:08 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 13:09 |
| * fifieldt_ is Tom Fifield - Community Manager @ OpenStack Foundation | 13:09 | |
| cyeoh | fifieldt: hi | 13:09 |
| fifieldt_ | hi cyeoh | 13:09 |
| roadnick | I don't know dnavale, but I've seen everyone else | 13:10 |
| sgordon | fifieldt, dnavale and slong work with me at RH | 13:10 |
| roadnick | ah | 13:10 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, it's 1310 UTC - let's start hte meeting and hope annegentle joins us later | 13:10 |
| roadnick | hi! :) | 13:10 |
| fifieldt_ | #startmeeting Doc Team Meeting | 13:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 13:10:32 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:10 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 13:10 |
| koolhead17 | ah. good to see RH putting folks for doc too :) | 13:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'doc_team_meeting' | 13:10 |
| fifieldt_ | yes, koolhead17 it's super awesome | 13:10 |
| fifieldt_ | hi also to dcramer_ | 13:10 |
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| fifieldt_ | #topic Action Items from the last meeting | 13:11 |
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| fifieldt_ | let's get the boring stuff out of the way | 13:11 |
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| fifieldt_ | these can be found at | 13:11 |
| fifieldt_ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-07-09-13.01.html | 13:11 |
| fifieldt_ | #1 cyeoh to study openstack/compute-api for the v2 docs | 13:11 |
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| fifieldt_ | cyeoh, did you have a chance to look into that? | 13:11 |
| cyeoh | cyeoh: so Kersten Richter has been looking at what is needed | 13:12 |
| cyeoh | I've been spending some time trying to work out how we can automate the process from test_api_samples in nova | 13:12 |
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| fifieldt_ | #info Kersten Richter has been looking into api v2 docs | 13:12 |
| cyeoh | to produce enough information so we can generate what is needed for openstack/compute-api through a script (mostly) | 13:12 |
| fifieldt_ | #info cyeoh is still looking at automatically generating openstack/compute-api through a script | 13:13 |
| roadnick | ceyoh, I didn't have a chance to get with you before I went out for shoulder surgery, do you still need to get with me for WADL help on that? | 13:13 |
| fifieldt_ | cool, that's great | 13:13 |
| cyeoh | roadnick: I think Kersten could probably do with a hand getting up to speed with things | 13:13 |
| annegentle | hey sorry I'm late! | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | #action roadnick to meet with Kersten to help through the WADL journey | 13:14 |
| cyeoh | The nova side review is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40169/ | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | hi annegentle | 13:14 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, np :) | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | we're just looking at action items | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | 'just at number 1 | 13:14 |
| roadnick | Hi, annegentle | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | you have the con! | 13:14 |
| slong | hi annegentle :) | 13:14 |
| annegentle | ha | 13:14 |
| annegentle | had to call for a dr appt for a kiddo, online now | 13:14 |
| roadnick | Ceyoh, can you have her email me to set up a meeting, and do you have my email? | 13:14 |
| cyeoh | roadnick: still at the stage of trying to work out if we can do it, but in the meantime generating api samples anyway for V3 as we'll need them in the end. | 13:14 |
| EmilienM | annegentle: good morning :) | 13:14 |
| annegentle | roadnick: how's your shoulder? | 13:15 |
| cyeoh | roadnick: no, what's your email address? I'll forward it on to her | 13:15 |
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| roadnick | nchase@mirantis.com | 13:15 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from last meeting | 13:15 |
| cyeoh | roadnick: thx! | 13:15 |
| roadnick | painful, thanks, annegentle; at the "sick of being sick, have to be careful not to overdo it" stage :( | 13:16 |
| annegentle | roadnick: oh I bet! | 13:16 |
| annegentle | Ok, cyeoh to study openstack/compute-api for the v2 docs was from last month, how'd that go? | 13:16 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: I've passed most of it off to Kersten | 13:16 |
| annegentle | heh ok old news, reading scrollback more carefully | 13:17 |
| cyeoh | I'm doing a bit on the Nova side to generate the api samples, and experimenting with also generating some metadata files which is (hopefully) enough to get a script to generate most of the doc | 13:17 |
| annegentle | sarob's not around I guess? He was going to get cyeoh in touch with someone | 13:17 |
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| annegentle | I had asked Kersten to come to a Monday office hours and/or the boot camp, haven't heard from her though. | 13:18 |
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| cyeoh | annegentle: unfortunately I think it's pretty unlikely she'd be able to get travel approval for the boot camp :-( But she is trying | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: does it make sense for her to work with someone else or continue to work with me? | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: ok, good to know | 13:18 |
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| cyeoh | annegentle: she's still getting up to speed with it all. I'm meeting with her in a couple of days so will get an update then | 13:19 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: ok | 13:19 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: it's kind of a steep onramp | 13:19 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: so I'm happy to help, and Diane's emailed her too | 13:20 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: just don't want her to get mixed messaging from a bunch of us | 13:20 |
| cyeoh | Thanks for all the help! yea, I very much doubt we're going to make Havana, but hopefully not too long after... | 13:20 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: well, I think the doc should come as soon as possible | 13:20 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: yea, its definitely a priority for us. Getting everything merged on the Nova side (api samples) is already looking pretty tight though | 13:21 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: okay, good. Just didn't want to de-emphasize it even if v3 is "experimental" folks will be trying it out. It's what they do. :) | 13:22 |
| annegentle | ok, next action was for me to find if maven plugin supports sets. It "Just Works" (tm) so that's good. | 13:22 |
| fifieldt_ | :D | 13:22 |
| roadnick | great news | 13:22 |
| annegentle | another action was anne to draft a Mission Statement for Documentation and send to docs mailing list. Done. | 13:22 |
| annegentle | I haven't yet floated the Project Doc Lead idea... I have identified some people though so I might just reach out to individuals. Thoughts? | 13:23 |
| * fifieldt_ would like to see what that is written down :) | 13:23 | |
| koolhead17 | :P | 13:23 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: yeah we need a matrix of projects and peeps | 13:23 |
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| roadnick | agreed | 13:24 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: you up for starting a wiki page with candidates for doc leads? | 13:24 |
| slong | that would be good. | 13:24 |
| fifieldt_ | annegentle, as in what a "project doc lead" is | 13:24 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, sure. do we have many candidates in race? :) | 13:24 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: it was sarob's idea, let me dig up | 13:24 |
| koolhead17 | i thougth we already selected you for that :D | 13:24 |
| roadnick | The project doc lead was ... | 13:25 |
| roadnick | the idea that each project will have one person who's a "liasion" for the docs for that project | 13:25 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ProjectDocLeads | 13:25 |
| roadnick | for example we'd have one person at Mirantis who's the "go-to" person for info on Savanna docs | 13:25 |
| koolhead17 | roadnick, ahaan. makes sense | 13:25 |
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| koolhead17 | happy to see its happening | 13:25 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, hi5 | 13:25 |
| annegentle | I like the liaison idea for bug triage etc | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | was asking the same longtime back if you remember :D | 13:26 |
| fifieldt_ | I think that page needs a bunch more clarity before titles are handed out | 13:26 |
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| fifieldt_ | I'm all for the idea, just don't want to see it fall down due to a lack of planning/definition | 13:27 |
| koolhead17 | +1 | 13:27 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: yeah I'm with you. the projects are quite disparate so I want some sort of matrix for more analysis | 13:27 |
| fifieldt_ | matrix still sounds like the line of thinking is more about people than what they do :) | 13:27 |
| koolhead17 | haha | 13:28 |
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| fifieldt_ | hi AJaeger :) | 13:28 |
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| annegentle | mostly I've told Sean that I'd rather we have overarching book owners | 13:28 |
| sgordon | +1 | 13:28 |
| fifieldt_ | sure | 13:28 |
| annegentle | that's the direction we're taking the openstack-manuals repo too | 13:28 |
| AJaeger | Hi everyone, sorry for beeing late. Only just say the note on -doc. | 13:28 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: welcome | 13:28 |
| fifieldt_ | but what does that 'mean' :) | 13:28 |
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| fifieldt_ | don't feel the need to answer in this meeting (time is short) | 13:29 |
| fifieldt_ | but that's just where I'm thinking | 13:29 |
| annegentle | so, you can see why I haven't finished this action item | 13:29 |
| annegentle | right | 13:29 |
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| fifieldt_ | indeed | 13:29 |
| annegentle | last action: fifieldt to see design resources for the docs.openstack.org landing page for 1. translation 2. releases | 13:29 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: I talked to Todd Morey last week, he doesn't have a redesign though for us | 13:29 |
| fifieldt_ | I believe you made more progress with this than I did annegentle | 13:29 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: he has one for www though | 13:29 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah, I grabbed him on skype too ... same result | 13:29 |
| fifieldt_ | it's unlikely to happen within the "soon" timeframe :) | 13:30 |
| annegentle | so I'll call this in progress, and necessary before Oct 17, but ongoing | 13:30 |
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| annegentle | #topic Docs Boot Camp - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Docs_Bootcamp_2013 | 13:30 |
| annegentle | welcome boris-42 | 13:30 |
| boris-42 | annegetnle HI | 13:30 |
| annegentle | Boot camp is shaping up, thanks fifieldt_ roadnick and shaunm for the help | 13:30 |
| annegentle | :) | 13:30 |
| roadnick | Hello, boris-42 | 13:30 |
| annegentle | any questions about boot camp? roadnick needs to sign up :) | 13:31 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, i will be there too. | 13:31 |
| roadnick | Ha! Yes, I will. :) | 13:31 |
| roadnick | I also need to book travel, I realized yesterday | 13:31 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah I saw you signed up, woo | 13:31 |
| roadnick | Me and Nermina | 13:31 |
| boris-42 | Could somebody say about what we are speaking now?) | 13:31 |
| boris-42 | sorry=) | 13:31 |
| sgordon | i added some info to the wiki about obtaining/installing Publican | 13:31 |
| annegentle | #topic Boot Camp | 13:31 |
| annegentle | boris-42: sure, sorry forgot to change the topic | 13:31 |
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| koolhead17 | annegentle, thanks to my employer for this :) | 13:31 |
| sgordon | im planning a pretty basic overview/tutorial though as it's not really an openstack-manuals tool | 13:31 |
| annegentle | we're talking about boot camp, going through https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:32 |
| sgordon | more of a "this is some other docbook stuff that is out there" exercise | 13:32 |
| annegentle | sgordon: I think that's helpful | 13:32 |
| annegentle | the idea is to share as much info to spread the knowledge | 13:32 |
| roadnick | I also need to know if I'm speaking and on what; do you want me to do up a version of the "how to contribute" doc I'm finishing as a presentation? | 13:33 |
| annegentle | and get to know each other | 13:33 |
| boris-42 | annegentle Ah nice | 13:33 |
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| annegentle | We've got 18 signed up so far with four more expected (like roadnick and Nermina who haven't signed up yet) :) | 13:33 |
| * slong is envious | 13:33 | |
| annegentle | we'll record sessions (with speaker's permissions) | 13:34 |
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| boris-42 | annegentle so and todays goal is?) | 13:34 |
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| annegentle | slong: if your employer would give you the time, we can ask the Foundation for funding for you | 13:34 |
| annegentle | boris-42: this is our usual monthly doc team meeting | 13:34 |
| annegentle | boris-42: we go through the agenda | 13:34 |
| slong | seriously? | 13:34 |
| annegentle | slong: yes | 13:34 |
| koolhead17 | slong, :) | 13:34 |
| slong | I wil ask! | 13:34 |
| fifieldt_ | :) | 13:34 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: you want to help slong with that? | 13:35 |
| slong | You do realise I'm in Australia?? | 13:35 |
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| annegentle | slong: yeah | 13:35 |
| annegentle | :) | 13:35 |
| slong | :) | 13:35 |
| annegentle | for Monday's nights outing, what are people interested in? | 13:35 |
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| fifieldt_ | annegentle, let's smash some email back and forth | 13:35 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: sounds good, thanks | 13:35 |
| boris-42 | annegentle And as I know I wasn't member of this team, so I am glad to help, but at this moment it is not so clear for me how can I help?) could you explain?) | 13:35 |
| annegentle | boris-42: ah you can just listen in then, sorry I thought you were another boris I guess | 13:36 |
| annegentle | ideas for Monday: computer museum is close by, go to the Village, go to the Academy of Science, or Exploratorium | 13:36 |
| boris-42 | annegentle I am Boris Pavlovic from Mirantis | 13:36 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, me2 :D | 13:36 |
| roadnick | Hi, Boris, this is Nick. :) | 13:37 |
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| koolhead17 | boris-42, i thought the other Boris from mirantis :) you are close | 13:37 |
| annegentle | boris-42: ok, I thought you were from Mirantis. If you work in the Mountain View office you might have ideas for us for an outing | 13:37 |
| annegentle | I also like this old book store in old Mountain View. | 13:38 |
| roadnick | let me see if I can get some quick ideas from David, he's online | 13:38 |
| annegentle | so, book stores? museums? video games? | 13:38 |
| annegentle | roadnick: I've been emailing him and Anne Friend | 13:38 |
| annegentle | roadnick: with the ideas I'm listing | 13:38 |
| roadnick | ah, ok | 13:38 |
| annegentle | want to get input | 13:38 |
| annegentle | the computer museum is about 2 miles from where we'll be | 13:38 |
| shaunm | annegentle: how many are we expecting? | 13:39 |
| annegentle | the book store is less than 5 miles | 13:39 |
| roadnick | Unfortunately I'm on the other end of the country, so I have no idea. | 13:39 |
| annegentle | shaunm: 20+ | 13:39 |
| sgordon | i would be +1 on the computer museum but i have never been to san fran | 13:39 |
| sgordon | so anywhere is new | 13:39 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yeah I've never been to that computer museum but I hear its cool | 13:39 |
| shaunm | computer museum sounds fun | 13:39 |
| annegentle | ok I'll work on transportation and dinner plans | 13:39 |
| roadnick | it does sound fun, but will it be open in the evening? | 13:39 |
| shaunm | it's hard to keep a group of more than about a dozen together | 13:39 |
| shaunm | but it's probably no big deal if people split into some smaller groups | 13:40 |
| annegentle | shaunm: ok that makes sense | 13:40 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, pleia2 will be our local guide. I remember she did that for us last time in UDS :) | 13:41 |
| annegentle | ok any more questions on boot camp? | 13:41 |
| roadnick | the museum is closed monday and tuesday | 13:41 |
| roadnick | :( | 13:41 |
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| annegentle | roadnick: NOooo... | 13:41 |
| annegentle | bummer | 13:41 |
| annegentle | well that's good to find out now :) | 13:41 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: I'll reach out to pleia2 | 13:41 |
| roadnick | yep, bummer | 13:41 |
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| koolhead17 | annegentle, i have not received any ack for my participation | 13:41 |
| roadnick | we should set up a separate meeting to plan the presos | 13:41 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: you're signed up. | 13:41 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: there you go :) | 13:41 |
| koolhead17 | cool. thanks :D | 13:42 |
| annegentle | roadnick: yeah good idea | 13:42 |
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| annegentle | roadnick: you want to do that? You have emails for all the speakers right | 13:42 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, speakers? o.0 | 13:42 |
| annegentle | ok we already talked about the v3 Compute API doc plan so let's go on to | 13:42 |
| annegentle | #topic Bug report, DocImpact state | 13:42 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt_: you have any comments? | 13:43 |
| fifieldt_ | just the stuff from the recent email | 13:43 |
| fifieldt_ | progress is being made | 13:43 |
| annegentle | Okay. Automation is working great for DocImpact, I have to say! | 13:43 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed | 13:43 |
| fifieldt_ | noticable in: http://webnumbr.com/untouched-bugs-in-openstack-manuals- | 13:43 |
| koolhead17 | shaunm, how are we doing with the deployment guide | 13:44 |
| annegentle | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/havana | 13:44 |
| fifieldt_ | api is basically waiting for the nova v3 things for a lot of the bugs | 13:44 |
| fifieldt_ | manuals - managed to tick off a lot of them thanks to openstack-config ref :) | 13:44 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: did the Xen doc bugs get targeted or collected? That would help the numbers | 13:44 |
| shaunm | koolhead17: progress is slow at the moment, unfortunately | 13:44 |
| fifieldt_ | the blueprint links all the bugs | 13:45 |
| koolhead17 | shaunm, we are meeting next month right? | 13:45 |
| fifieldt_ | xen blueprint that is | 13:45 |
| fifieldt_ | moment | 13:45 |
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| fifieldt_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/redocument-xen | 13:45 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: okay so it gathers them, that's good. | 13:45 |
| fifieldt_ | also went through a bunch of blueprints that had been sitting there | 13:46 |
| fifieldt_ | and triaged them | 13:46 |
| fifieldt_ | so check that out if you get a moment | 13:46 |
| roadnick | I did notice that you changed the Admin Manual Modularization from "new" to "discuss" | 13:46 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed | 13:46 |
| fifieldt_ | well I just tried to make the virtual world reflect reality | 13:46 |
| roadnick | We had kind of stalled on that dicussion trying to decide whether to move foreward | 13:47 |
| roadnick | forward* | 13:47 |
| shaunm | koolhead17: at the boot camp you mean? | 13:47 |
| annegentle | Diane knocked out 20 bugs in a few weeks, at least 24 went in with the autodoc patch, are we just not keeping up with coders? | 13:47 |
| annegentle | what's your sense of it? | 13:47 |
| koolhead17 | shaunm, ya | 13:47 |
| shaunm | yup | 13:47 |
| koolhead17 | cool. | 13:47 |
| annegentle | roadnick: yeah I think we are still discussing admin manuals | 13:47 |
| fifieldt_ | annegentle, we're doing better than we ever have :) | 13:47 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: for SURE! | 13:48 |
| slong | fifieldt, did you do work on the config ref blueprint? | 13:48 |
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| fifieldt_ | slong, I put in a patch for the neutrons | 13:48 |
| fifieldt_ | to show the kind of breakdown we were talking about | 13:48 |
| sgordon | oh got there are multiple neutrons? | 13:48 |
| sgordon | ;p | 13:48 |
| fifieldt_ | and tried to look at the filenames | 13:48 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, do you want me to shoot a mail to the dev list regarding this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ProjectDocLeads | 13:48 |
| annegentle | roadnick: did you follow the -dev list post for the havana doc plan? | 13:48 |
| koolhead17 | ask the PTL to get us some one from there team | 13:48 |
| slong | nice, fifieldt | 13:49 |
| fifieldt_ | take a look at http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-config/content/networking-options-reference.html | 13:49 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: it probably has to come from me? What do others think? I'm not a huge fan of the idea in the current form, instead I want book owners. But I would like liaisons and some PTLs have identified those. | 13:49 |
| roadnick | annegentle: peripherally; I need to go back and review now that I'm more conscious :) | 13:49 |
| fifieldt_ | just stub sections | 13:49 |
| fifieldt_ | but with a paragraph in there for each block | 13:49 |
| annegentle | roadnick: conciousness is good :) | 13:49 |
| fifieldt_ | could become something good | 13:49 |
| fifieldt_ | but yeah, still got the filename problem | 13:49 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, sounds good. lets modify it & then reach out to the PTL | 13:50 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: add candidate people to the wiki page but I will communicate | 13:50 |
| sgordon | annegentle, my concern is it probably needs to be driven via the TC | 13:50 |
| fifieldt_ | by the way - we have an icehouse series and milestone | 13:50 |
| annegentle | sgordon: I'm on the TC so that's why I should communicate the idea. | 13:50 |
| sgordon | (and/or the PTLs obviously) | 13:50 |
| fifieldt_ | so feel free to target blueprints into the future :) | 13:50 |
| sgordon | right | 13:50 |
| annegentle | sgordon: exactly | 13:50 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 13:50 |
| annegentle | ok, let's move to open discussion | 13:51 |
| annegentle | #topic Open Discussion | 13:51 |
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| EmilienM | annegentle: hey | 13:51 |
| annegentle | I think I should have had fifieldt_ do the topic changes | 13:51 |
| annegentle | oh well | 13:51 |
| EmilienM | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-high-availability-support | 13:51 |
| annegentle | EmilienM: hey | 13:51 |
| fifieldt_ | sorry annegentle | 13:51 |
| fifieldt_ | #topic open discussion | 13:51 |
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| annegentle | I want to know who's going to HK? | 13:51 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 13:51 |
| * fifieldt_ is :D | 13:51 | |
| fifieldt_ | I'd like to call attention to this review, for slong and sgordon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41623/ :) | 13:52 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt_, :P | 13:52 |
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| EmilienM | roadnick and I still work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-high-availability-support | 13:52 |
| roadnick | NOT me | 13:52 |
| roadnick | (for HK, that is) | 13:52 |
| sgordon | annegentle, i am actually just reworking our travel request | 13:52 |
| fifieldt_ | awww man | 13:52 |
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| sgordon | so at the moment cant really confirm | 13:52 |
| slong | right on, fifieldt! | 13:53 |
| annegentle | sgordon: cool | 13:53 |
| annegentle | if it helps with travel plans, it looks like docs will be afternoon Tues. | 13:53 |
| annegentle | four slots, same as Portland | 13:54 |
| EmilienM | roadnick: do you want to talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-high-availability-support ? | 13:54 |
| AJaeger | fifieldt, I have no problems with the current state. What caused me mild frustration was the patch going in since it touched so many files. | 13:54 |
| annegentle | I am still noodling on whether to get rid of Admin Guides | 13:54 |
| annegentle | I've been doing some Google Analytics work. | 13:54 |
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| fifieldt_ | ooh :D | 13:54 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, i think admin guide is needed :) | 13:54 |
| annegentle | For sure the analytics back up the idea that we CAN go to continuous publishing for many many guides. | 13:54 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: there will be a new Admin User Guide. | 13:55 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: so it's possible to get rid of the Compute Admin Manual for example. | 13:55 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, ooh okey | 13:55 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: and possibly the Object Storage Admin guide, by moving the config info out, such as S3 | 13:55 |
| annegentle | I think we could do a lot of purging safely | 13:55 |
| annegentle | so I wanted to give a heads up that's a possiblity | 13:55 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, will talk in few weeks on the same. | 13:56 |
| annegentle | I still don't know where to put Block Storage other than in the Config Guide (since it's mostly about configuring different storage backends) | 13:56 |
| annegentle | and the Networking Admin Guide, just makes me worry. | 13:56 |
| sgordon | annegentle, i have verbal approval for at least one of us im just updating the costs | 13:56 |
| annegentle | shaunm: I also worry a lot about the install guide | 13:56 |
| sgordon | plan is for attendance at all 4 days | 13:56 |
| fifieldt_ | a worried annegentle is not a good thing :( | 13:56 |
| koolhead17 | sgordon, coool | 13:56 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yeah if you can get there go all the time! :) | 13:56 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: oh it's all the time :) | 13:56 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt_, :) | 13:56 |
| roadnick | emilienm: since I've been out, why don't you take that for today; you have a better handle right now. | 13:56 |
| EmilienM | ok | 13:57 |
| EmilienM | we still have some work to do. | 13:57 |
| shaunm | annegentle: well, I do too | 13:57 |
| EmilienM | what I would like first, is to finish main sections | 13:57 |
| annegentle | shaunm: oh yes not saying otherwise :) Just sharing concerns | 13:57 |
| EmilienM | and then fix subsections with more precisions | 13:57 |
| annegentle | I also wanted to say something about review policies -- | 13:58 |
| EmilienM | #link http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ha/content/ha-using-active-active.html | 13:58 |
| annegentle | I know it has been hard to get stuff merged lately with all the markup changes, sorry about that. | 13:58 |
| annegentle | but we're getting into a good state | 13:58 |
| shaunm | annegentle: next release is in october? | 13:58 |
| annegentle | for welcoming all the contributors :) | 13:58 |
| annegentle | shaunm: Oct 17 is go live | 13:58 |
| shaunm | that's feeling less and less like plenty of time | 13:58 |
| annegentle | shaunm: feature freeze is coming up a month sooner | 13:58 |
| annegentle | shaunm: yes | 13:58 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 13:59 |
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| AJaeger | annashen, regarding markup changes: Let's keep in mind to record our policies on the conventions page. | 13:59 |
| annegentle | I expect we'll see lots of doc interest come Setp. 5th | 13:59 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yes, good idea. | 13:59 |
| * AJaeger was surprised what he learned from (great!) reviews that wasn't really codified and where I had to guess what it means... | 14:00 | |
| annegentle | So here's a draft policy - get at least one +2 before merging when 2 or more files are changed, but if it's small changes, a core can just push it through. | 14:00 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I was thinking the same thing about new people wondering "well what do I have to do to get this merged?" :) | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt_: can you record an action for me to codify our reviewing policies | 14:00 |
| annegentle | and we're on the hour, again I apologize for being late | 14:00 |
| fifieldt_ | #action annegentle codify our reviewing policies | 14:00 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, or: If it touches more than one book? | 14:01 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: oh anyone can do actions :) sorry | 14:01 |
| fifieldt_ | no worries :) | 14:01 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah if it touches more than one book definitely want 2 cores to look | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: but if I want to get patches moving I'll +2 on my own if I'm confident | 14:01 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: so that's sort of out of policy I suppose :) | 14:01 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: though I do want other cores to have that same confidence and push | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: we're a small enough team that we can move things through as needed without waiting for others | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | I take it everyone has also seen | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/docs-openreviews.html | 14:02 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, let's not be too strict... | 14:02 |
| annegentle | sgordon: fifieldt_: does that sound about right? | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | aye, annegentle | 14:02 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: ohhh that's handy | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | Longest waiting reviews (based on latest revision): | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | 74 days, 17 hours, 33 minutes https://review.openstack.org/31119 (Add os-instance_usage_log_audit extension) | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | :D | 14:03 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: LOL wow | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | the page helps me remember to check not just openstack-manuals | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Ok, let's end it and always feel free to talk on openstack-doc all! | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | but also places like operations-guide | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Gotta get a kiddo to the docs | 14:03 |
| sgordon | annegentle, i am a little hesitant at the moment but yes with time | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | cool | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | I might sleep instead | 14:03 |
| annegentle | sgordon: sure | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | i had one more thing actually | 14:03 |
| annegentle | sgordon: sure | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | ya? | 14:04 |
| AJaeger | Anybody wants to ask Diane what to do with 31119? | 14:04 |
| sgordon | i was wondering if people think meeting monthly is enough, or perhaps we could move to fortnightly | 14:04 |
| sgordon | just a though | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | AJaeger, it needs samples | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | which may not be in the code | 14:04 |
| sgordon | my feeling is that touching base like this 6 times a release may be underdoing it | 14:04 |
| sgordon | just my 2c though | 14:04 |
| annegentle | sgordon: hehe I had to look up forthnightly | 14:04 |
| sgordon | wondering what others think | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | sgordon: yeah I'm with you | 14:04 |
| roadnick | +1 | 14:04 |
| sgordon | sorry, despite my geographic disposition i still speak 'strayan | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | +1 | 14:04 |
| annegentle | We can go to weekly even | 14:04 |
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| koolhead17 | hehe | 14:05 |
| annegentle | weekly? Every other? twice a month? | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | =1 | 14:05 |
| slong | +1 for fortnightly | 14:05 |
| sgordon | i would move to every other to start with imo | 14:05 |
| annegentle | sgordon: wanna propose it to the mailing list? | 14:05 |
| sgordon | sure | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #action sgordon propose more often meetings on -docs Mailing List | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | I agree | 14:05 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yeah every other for starters sounds good | 14:05 |
| sgordon | i think the fact the last couple we have run the full hour and then some | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | is an indication we could meet more often :) | 14:06 |
| annegentle | heh yeah | 14:06 |
| koolhead17 | sgordon, thanks for reminding us about meetup today :) | 14:06 |
| annegentle | ok let's end it | 14:06 |
| sgordon | yup | 14:06 |
| fifieldt_ | yay | 14:06 |
| annegentle | thanks all! | 14:06 |
| fifieldt_ | #endmeeting Doc Team Meeting | 14:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 14:06:39 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-08-13-13.10.html | 14:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-08-13-13.10.txt | 14:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-08-13-13.10.log.html | 14:06 |
| fifieldt_ | night! | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | fifieldt: good night | 14:06 |
| roadnick | 'night, fifieldt_ | 14:06 |
| roadnick | bye, all | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | night! | 14:07 |
| slong | night | 14:07 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduling | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 15:00:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | anyone here for the scheduler meeting? | 15:01 |
| PhilDay | Yep (but I have to drop at half past) | 15:01 |
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| jog0 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | let's wait a minute or two and then go... | 15:03 |
| jgallard | hi all | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | #topic Perspective for nova scheduler | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | I hope eveyone has had a chance to look at Bors' paper | 15:04 |
| n0ano | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_DRv7it_mwalEZzLy5WO92TJcummpmWL4NWsWf0UWiQ/edit#heading=h.6ixj0ctv4rwu | 15:04 |
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| garyk | hi guys | 15:05 |
| n0ano | my read is that basically he is saying update state info through the DB is a scaling problem, doing RPC calls to the scheduler would solve this problem | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | my intuition is to agree with that but I believe there is a significant group the feels the DB is a more scalable solution | 15:06 |
| n0ano | how to we resolve this dichotomy | 15:06 |
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| PhilDay | I think there were also some open questions on how does a newly started scheduler get a full set of state | 15:07 |
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| jog0 | wasn't a great deal of this hashed out on the ML? | 15:07 |
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| PhilDay | And is all of this is now held just in memory by the scheduler(s) how do we get visibility into that state | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | jog0, discussed on the ML -yes, resolved -I don't think so | 15:08 |
| PhilDay | Could be that I missed that mlist discussion (had way to much in my inbox when I came back - must stop taking holidays) | 15:09 |
| n0ano | PhilDay, good points but are those implementation details or architectural problems | 15:09 |
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| jog0 | PhilDay: here is the thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012221.html | 15:10 |
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| PhilDay | If we're moving to a model of not persisting the scheduling related state in the DB, then I'd say they are architectural | 15:10 |
| PhilDay | @jog0 - thanks | 15:10 |
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| PhilDay | I guess what I'm thinking is that in addition to "time to scheudule a new VM" I'd like to see "time for a new scheduler to retrieve its state" as an explicit metric | 15:12 |
| n0ano | PhilDay, would providing an API to the scheduler to access this info be sufficient or would somehow periodically syncing to the DB work | 15:12 |
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| jog0 | there was some good ideas at the end ofthat thread | 15:13 |
| PhilDay | I guess either | 15:13 |
| PhilDay | Ok - sounds like i have some more reading to do before I can contribute intellegently ;-) | 15:13 |
| PhilDay | <lurk mode on> | 15:14 |
| jog0 | also boris-42's paper didn't clearly show the actual issue (IE not sure how to reproduce there results) | 15:15 |
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| boris-42 | jog0 hi | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | jog0 whatsup? | 15:15 |
| jog0 | I think we all agree the current scheduler has limitiations the questions are at what point exactly and are there any good short term fixes we can do for now, until Icehouse dev is open | 15:15 |
| jog0 | boris-42: see backlog | 15:16 |
| boris-42 | jog0 yeah you are doing great work | 15:16 |
| boris-42 | jog0 around removing fanout] | 15:16 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano hi | 15:17 |
| n0ano | boris-42, welcome | 15:17 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano we updated today our document | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | n0ano so we are not doing fanout call to scheduler | 15:17 |
| PhilDay | As I understood last weeks discussion, any short term fix would keep the DB in place but the path for updates would change from "comp->conductor->DB" to "comp->Sched->DB" | 15:18 |
| n0ano | must read new doc | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | n0ano there is not so much change | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay not only this change | 15:18 |
| PhilDay | Do we really think there is time to move to a non-DB model still in Havana ? | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay no | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay this should be done in I cycle | 15:19 |
| jog0 | PhilDay: things like more optimized DB queries or caching are options right now | 15:19 |
| PhilDay | Ok, so if its all to be done in I - shouldn't this be a topic to be bottomed out in HK ? | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay yes | 15:19 |
| n0ano | PhilDay, absolutly, but doing some prep work before hand is good | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay yeah we would like to prapaer 1) all code 2) benchmark results on real deployments before summit | 15:20 |
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| PhilDay | OK - sorry I got the wrong end of the stick from the start of this then. I thought you were trying to drive to a conclusion on the architecture in here | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | nonon | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:21 |
| jog0 | PhilDay: thats what I thought too | 15:21 |
| n0ano | boris-42, have you considered PhilDay concern that you need a way to look at the compute node states, moving from the DB makes that hard | 15:21 |
| jog0 | so I liked some of Clint's ideas for scheduling | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we will put all data about HOST into DB | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | scheduler DB | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | not only compute_node table | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | but also data from compute_node_stats and probably from cinder | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | to be able to use different data from different project in our scheduler | 15:22 |
| PhilDay | Just to be clear I want any query on data to be behind an API - so I'n not wedded to it being in the DB, I just want to be sure I don't lose any visbility | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay visibility about what? | 15:23 |
| PhilDay | The data the scheduler is using (i.e host states, etc_ | 15:23 |
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| boris-42 | PhilDay and? | 15:23 |
| jog0 | boris-42: any cross project DB stuff makes things much harder | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | jog0 no | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | jog0 it don't make | 15:23 |
| jog0 | politically | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | jog0 our goal is to have one scheduler | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | that keeps all data about hosts | 15:24 |
| n0ano | personally, I like an API and a back channel (for debugging when the API server fails) | 15:24 |
| jog0 | it becomes a nother contractual API to maintain | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | jog0 it will be much easier | 15:24 |
| PhilDay | A single scheduler that can also know about Network locatilty (from Quantum) and Volume locality (from Cinder) ? | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | yeah | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay yes | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | philDay and is actually scalable | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay it is very useful in a lot of cases | 15:25 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay for example you are runing cinder and nova on each host | 15:25 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay and would like to schedule you instance with block device with size of 200GB and ensure that on that host you have enough of free disk in cinder=) | 15:26 |
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| jog0 | boris-42: I like the idea too, but doing it requires careful consideration to make sure it doesn't couple the assorted projects too much. | 15:26 |
| jog0 | also is this in the new document? | 15:26 |
| boris-42 | jog0 sorry not ready yet | 15:26 |
| PhilDay | One other thing that's at the back of my mind (but I haven't done much thinking about it) is what it would take to plug in a third party scheduler (like say MOAB) - having only an RPC interface might make that simpler I guess | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | jog0 but iour goal is to finish all this things before summit and doc also | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | PhilDay, is a 3rd party scheduler really that necessary? | 15:27 |
| jog0 | PhilDay: that is a good question, most of this discussion is around we only have one scheduler | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | jog0 PhilDay it is really huge change (not in lines) but in approach. So I agree that we should really carefully discuss all this things | 15:28 |
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| jog0 | n0ano: some people may want to use other information to schedule on, and simpler scheduler etc | 15:28 |
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| boris-42 | PhilDay nano I don't see very is complexity of our approach? | 15:29 |
| n0ano | jog0, I would hope that the extensibility we've already built into the scheduler is sufficient for 99% of the users | 15:29 |
| PhilDay | Not necessary, and I wouldn't do that in favour of having all of these features in Openstack - but it is something that comes up from time to time in conversation with customers wanting to build thier own clouds. | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay one simple scheduler that have small amount of methods (run_instance, migrate, cinder scheduler methods) | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | and one another method | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | that update host_state | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | and could be called from different serviesec | 15:30 |
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| PhilDay | Got to dive for another call - sorry | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay good luck | 15:30 |
| jog0 | PhilDay: bye | 15:30 |
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| jog0 | boris-42: in short this is a big change, huge infact | 15:30 |
| n0ano | all ARs to to PhilDay :-) | 15:30 |
| debo_os | sorry for joining late but just like we decided to do a separate network service, I dont see why we cant have a plugabble scheduler service | 15:31 |
| n0ano | it already is, you can select from multiple scheduler right now | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | jog0 I agree that it is big change in approach, but small in LOCs=) | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | jog0 and could be done step by step | 15:31 |
| jog0 | LOCs don't matter in this | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | jog0 but first step should be done only in I cycle | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | jog0 I find your current job great | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | jog0 for H cycle | 15:32 |
| jog0 | there was a BP to do this a while backbut it got stalled | 15:32 |
| debo_os | n0ano: however the state management is not pluggable yet | 15:32 |
| jog0 | boris-42: I do like this proposal, I am just saying it is tricky | 15:32 |
| n0ano | debo_os, hence the discussion here | 15:32 |
| jog0 | I would recomend drafting up an early idea and putting it to the ML along with an outline of what you think | 15:32 |
| debo_os | n0ano: apologies for joining late hence might sound repetitive :) | 15:32 |
| jog0 | along with any history of why tried it before | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | jog0 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-db-scheduler | 15:33 |
| n0ano | debo_os, NP | 15:33 |
| boris-42 | jog0 Ok will be done soon | 15:33 |
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| debo_os | in addition to the discussion ... one of my colleagues had written up a doc for the last summit and socialized it .. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cR3Fw9QPDVnqp4pMSusMwqNuB_6t-t_neFqgXA98-Ls/edit# | 15:33 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, looks like your BP is mainly just a link to your doc | 15:34 |
| debo_os | there was some good feedback and folks told him to get back a little later | 15:34 |
| jog0 | the main question is the mechanics of adding a new contracttual API for all projects that wires to the scheduler | 15:34 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano yes | 15:34 |
| debo_os | its a little like boris's doc | 15:34 |
| boris-42 | n0ano because in doc is described a lot of | 15:34 |
| debo_os | boris-42: should we try to merge the 2 proposals | 15:34 |
| boris-42 | debo_os as I say in email yes of course | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | debo_os they are really close | 15:35 |
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| jog0 | debo_os: don't use the word orchestrator in your proposal its an overloaded word | 15:36 |
| boris-42 | =)) | 15:36 |
| jgallard | sorry for joining the conversation late, but, I like the idea of having a kind of Scheduler as a Service | 15:36 |
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| jog0 | debo_os: also the doc needs an abstract/summery | 15:37 |
| debo_os | jog0: agreed. I need to clean it up since my colleague wrote most of it and now left the OS world ... | 15:37 |
| jog0 | its TL;DR for me, skimming hte slides | 15:37 |
| n0ano | ignoring current proposals I still don't see how to resolve the question - which is more scalable DB vs. RPM? | 15:37 |
| debo_os | gr8 feedback | 15:37 |
| boris-42 | n0ano RPM | 15:37 |
| n0ano | s/RPM/RPC | 15:37 |
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| boris-42 | rpc* | 15:37 |
| boris-42 | for example | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | we have 10k nodes | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | we need to produce only 150req/sec | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | to all schedulers | 15:38 |
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| boris-42 | so 150/SCHEDULER_AMOUNT | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | in sec | 15:38 |
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| jog0 | n0ano: IMHO neither | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | even if you have only 3 schedulers for 10k nodes | 15:39 |
| debo_os | boris-42 | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | you will have to process only 50 req/sec | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | and it is nothing | 15:39 |
| jog0 | but then again we don't need to hash this out right now | 15:39 |
| debo_os | boris-42: lets work to merge the 2 proposals. For starters we can add this doc for reference too | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | debo_os Ok it will be easier to merge it through emails then IRC chat =) | 15:40 |
| n0ano | we don't have to answer now but I would like to know `how` to come to an answer, right now we're kind of in a `he said, she said' situation | 15:40 |
| debo_os | boris-42: agreed! lets work to merge the 2 proposals over emails | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we will make real benchmarks | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | n0ano on real deplyouments | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | n0ano will be it enough for you? | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | debo_os As I said "nods" | 15:41 |
| n0ano | boris-42, I think we need that, measureable and reproducible would be great | 15:41 |
| jog0 | n0ano: ++ and any proposed idea has to show its better then the existing and why its better then other options | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | n0ano yes we are going to create some new project so everybody will be able to reproduce these things | 15:41 |
| n0ano | Well, I'm hearing some actions out of all of this: | 15:42 |
| n0ano | #action boris-42 & debo_os to merge proposals | 15:42 |
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| n0ano | #action come up with benchmark to measure DB vs. RPC scalability | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | yeha | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | n0ano | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | no | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | we are building whole system | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | to test real openstack | 15:43 |
| boris-42 | not just this case | 15:43 |
| doron | guys, if I may jump in for a sec. Is there a reason to rule out an in-memory solution? | 15:43 |
| n0ano | hmmm, notic `reproducible', if not then we're just providing anecdotal input | 15:43 |
| debo_os | doron: not at all | 15:44 |
| doron | ie- I agree db is problematic, but RPM will have it's price. | 15:44 |
| debo_os | thats why we need to define APIs 1st instead of implementation | 15:44 |
| doron | (RPC) | 15:44 |
| debo_os | hence boris-42 and I need to merge the proposals .... | 15:44 |
| boris-42 | doron didn't understood question | 15:44 |
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| debo_os | doron: ideally if you run the scheuler as a service you could swap out the implementation and have an in memory solution for the state management | 15:45 |
| doron | boris-42: did you consider of storing the needed data in-memory instead of a DB? | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | doron we will use in memory key-value storage | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | doron to avoid scheduler fanout | 15:45 |
| doron | boris-42: gr8. this is what I had in mind | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | doron so each request to update host state will be processed only by one scheuler | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | doron this allows us to solve problem with too much for one scheduler rpc =) | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | just adding another schedulers in system | 15:46 |
| doron | makes sense. I'll go over your merged doc | 15:46 |
| debo_os | boris-42: I guess if we define the crisp update APIs etc ... the implementation could be separated and we will have all teh scaling featuers you want to do ..... | 15:46 |
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| boris-42 | debo_os> | 15:47 |
| boris-42 | debo_os we already implemented this part of our scheduler | 15:47 |
| boris-42 | debo_os switch from Nova.DB to scheduler.DB | 15:47 |
| doron | I'll take a look. sorry for the noise. | 15:48 |
| boris-42 | doron ok I think we will publish soon code | 15:48 |
| boris-42 | so I will add you as reviews | 15:48 |
| doron | thanks! | 15:48 |
| debo_os | boris-42: gr8 | 15:48 |
| n0ano | boris-42, now I'm confused, are you proposing that the scheduler implement it's own private DB | 15:49 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano yes | 15:49 |
| n0ano | I thought it was just maintaing state in it's memory | 15:49 |
| boris-42 | n0ano that produce fanout | 15:49 |
| boris-42 | n0ano and we spoke with Mike from BlueHost | 15:50 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano and he said that it will be better to use fast key-value storage such as memcached | 15:50 |
| n0ano | then it's not really a DB, it's just a backup for the internal memory storage | 15:51 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano as I said we haven't enough time to update our docs, and they are updated today | 15:51 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we don't need "real" DB | 15:51 |
| boris-42 | n0ano for temp data | 15:51 |
| doron | boris-42: +1 on no need for real db. | 15:51 |
| jog0 | if this isn't ready for review/discussion why are we here? | 15:51 |
| boris-42 | jog0 I am just answering on question | 15:52 |
| boris-42 | s/question/questions | 15:52 |
| n0ano | jog0, I thought we were farther along and I wanted the answer to how do we decide DB vs. RPC | 15:52 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:53 |
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| boris-42 | sorry guys for misunderstanding =) | 15:53 |
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| n0ano | so, it's getting late, looks like boris-42 & debo_os need to update the doc, when that is done we can re-visit this | 15:53 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano it is already updated | 15:54 |
| n0ano | boris-42, what about merge with debo_os ? | 15:54 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano I mean about using DB in scheduler | 15:54 |
| boris-42 | n0ano sorry=) | 15:54 |
| boris-42 | n0ano ok due next session we will update new combined doc | 15:54 |
| n0ano | boris-42, NP | 15:54 |
| boris-42 | And I agree with jog0 that we should discuss in this moment about Havana | 15:55 |
| boris-42 | work | 15:55 |
| boris-42 | not I | 15:55 |
| n0ano | let's see where we are next week, especially with an eye to what do we need/want to do for Havana | 15:55 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:55 |
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| n0ano | any opens in the remaining few minutes? | 15:56 |
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| n0ano | hearing silence, I'll thank everyone | 15:57 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 15:57:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-08-13-15.01.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-08-13-15.01.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-08-13-15.01.log.html | 15:57 |
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| iben | Good Morning Stackers! | 15:59 |
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| debo_os | n0ano: by merge docs ... [#openstack-meeting] boris-42, what about merge with debo_os ? this was the older proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cR3Fw9QPDVnqp4pMSusMwqNuB_6t-t_neFqgXA98-Ls/edit#heading=h.sxmednu8fdh5 | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting #hyper-v | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 16:02:32 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_hyper_v' | 16:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Hello | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | hi everyone | 16:02 |
| iben | hola | 16:02 |
| luis_fdez | hi | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | #topic blueprint review | 16:02 |
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| iben | Hi ROb! | 16:02 |
| ociuhandu | Hi all | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=hyper-v | 16:03 |
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| iben | thanks for link - I was just gonna ask... | 16:03 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Hey Iben :) | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | so everyone I'd like to start by doing a review of the proposed blueprints and seeing where we currently stand | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ready? | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: do you also have blueprints for cinder? | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | hi guys | 16:04 |
| pnavarro | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/windows-storage-driver-extended | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | great | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | let's start w/ nova bits first | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 16:05 |
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| alexpilotti | so we have a bunch of bps out for review | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: let's start w/ wmiv2 | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38160/ | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: thank you | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39195/ | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39194/ | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | it was a big one, so I had to split in in 3 | 16:07 |
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| primeministerp | so basically those are waiting for core reviewers to look at them | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | what's not so good, is that those patches are standing there since a long time waiting for review | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | yep | 16:07 |
| pnavarro | yeah | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | only the first one (last link) got in | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | i see | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | that's a problem | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | the others have some +1, but no additional review love :-) | 16:08 |
| pnavarro | alexpilotti, do you think I should wait for these ones to be aproved before starting the ephemeral one? | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: no | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: no | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | we have to put them on cascade, which is a PINTA | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: work off of those patches if possible | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | we have already another 2 out there, which depend on the WMI ones | 16:09 |
| iben | last patch change was 3 days ago? | 16:09 |
| iben | or is that just last comment? | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | iben: which are you looking at | 16:09 |
| iben | it says updated aug 9th | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | iben: yeah, Pedro put a +1 | 16:10 |
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| alexpilotti | this one: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39195/ | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | was uploaded on July 30th | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | only a couple of small nits changed in the meantime | 16:11 |
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| iben | i see - when it says updated that's due to the build status and other comments. | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38160/ | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | Aug 1st | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: ping | 16:11 |
| dansmith | primeministerp: ack | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | hey dan | 16:12 |
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| primeministerp | question about the queue on reviews | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | we have some pretty critical bits waiting in the pipeline for some time now | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: is the general delay due to just backlog and volume? | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: hi! | 16:12 |
| dansmith | primeministerp: yes, and priorities | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: as you know we have a bunch of patches out there since some time, even > 10 days | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: is there any way to get some help with adding some priority to those mentioned above | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: do think we can have a rough idea about when you guys will have time to review? | 16:14 |
| dansmith | alexpilotti: yep, lots of people do.. core reviewers are doing a whole lot of things, reviewing tons of changes and, of course, working on blueprints of their own | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: we fully understand | 16:14 |
| dansmith | are these bugs? | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: I know that you are swamped, so I don't bug you too much :-) | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: nope, bps | 16:15 |
| dansmith | oh, the namespace thing | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | yep, splitter in 3 patches as you requested, etc etc | 16:15 |
| dansmith | I'm not keen on rewarding this behavior, but I'll try to take another pass through those today | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | *splitted | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: thank you | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: tx! | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: if there's a better method of "behavior" you prefer going forward we'll make note | 16:16 |
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| primeministerp | dansmith: we appreciate the help everyone has given to this point | 16:17 |
| dansmith | primeministerp: well, I think getting pinged for reviews is getting old for a lot of folks, but you have been fairly patient, so .. :) | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: you're very gracious sir | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | thanks again dansmith | 16:17 |
| dansmith | yep | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: can we move on to the next? | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | VHDX | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | #Link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40076/ | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | same story | 16:18 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: yep, no need to beat it in | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: we've got dansmith attention, we'll take it as such | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | I'm not complaining, just pointing it out :-) | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: yep | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | and also: | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38791/ | 16:19 |
| iben | so - all these blueprints are supposed to show delivery status of "needs code review" for Dan Smith to look at it? | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | iben for anybody | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | iben: not necessarily dan | 16:20 |
| iben | sure | 16:20 |
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| iben | about the satus - wmi-v2 shows "good progress" | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | iben: but core reviewers are the ones which are needed to get it merged | 16:20 |
| iben | does that mean it's not ready for code review yet? | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | are you sure it's not the Neutron one? | 16:21 |
| iben | yes | 16:21 |
| iben | I' | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | yep, I still have to send that one in | 16:21 |
| iben | I'm looking here: | 16:21 |
| iben | #link - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=hyper-v | 16:21 |
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| primeministerp | iben: those are the active blueprints | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | iben: not all has been submitted yet | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | this is the nova one: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-wmi-v2 | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | iben: we're trying to go through the list to see what still needs to be completed for our H3 milestone | 16:22 |
| iben | so behind each blueprint are one or more changes that need to be approved. | 16:22 |
| iben | got it! THanks! | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | ok let's continue | 16:22 |
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| primeministerp | obvioulsy same for dynamic memory | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | rdp console | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | which by the way got committed by Robert, one of the new Cloudbase guys | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: great, is here in the meeting? | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | nope | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | er is he | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | o | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | ociuhandu: is he still @ the office? | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | it's 7.24 PM here | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: i understand | 16:24 |
| ociuhandu | alexpilotti: yes | 16:24 |
| ociuhandu | going to make sure he's in | 16:24 |
| iben | probably just out at lunch now... | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | so in terms of the remaining that are labled "not started" | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | some of them have to be move to Havana, as the review process is slowing everything down | 16:25 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ok | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | and everything needs to be done by Sept 4th | 16:25 |
| primeministerp | of those remaining are we capible of delivering for that deadline? | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | lol | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | fair enough | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: then let's talk which don't make it | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | it really depends on the review process | 16:27 |
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| alexpilotti | for example now I'm on the RDP one | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ok, then let' postpone this discussion until next week to see how the rest of the week pans out | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | with the first one blocked due to an API that still has to be contributed :-( | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: hopefully we'll make some progress through the review pipeline | 16:28 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: ok let's talk cinder | 16:28 |
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| pnavarro | ok | 16:28 |
| primeministerp | I saw there was progress over the weekend | 16:29 |
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| pnavarro | fortunately my blueprint is High priority | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | sorry, I got pinged about the same topic on the Nova list :-) | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: how far along are you now? | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: except the ephemeral storage one :-) | 16:29 |
| pnavarro | the bp is in review | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | I saw there was patch you submitted | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | that's also low priority, assigned to you | 16:29 |
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| alexpilotti | sorry guys, let's finish the previous topic first, if you don't mind | 16:30 |
| pnavarro | the thing is I'll be on vacation next week | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: sorry | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: let's hold this for a sec | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: continue please | 16:30 |
| pnavarro | ok | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | we got out on Nova: AMI, Rescue, | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | Progress update | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | and phemeral | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | *ephemeral | 16:31 |
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| alexpilotti | IMO AMI, rescue and progress update are totally secondary | 16:31 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I agree | 16:31 |
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| alexpilotti | ephemeral needs to get in | 16:32 |
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| alexpilotti | it depends on VHDX | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | which in turn depends on WMIV2 | 16:32 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: right, which is why i said let's see how the week progresses in terms of the review process | 16:32 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that is unless you have code ready to submit for those as well? | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | russellb just pinged me to make sure we decide what to do with the ones which are not started :-) | 16:33 |
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| alexpilotti | well, it really depends on the RDP console one | 16:33 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: in terms of review time? | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | yep, as I expect a bit of ping-pong there, to say so :-) | 16:34 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: so priority then should the rdp console pass quickly, would be ephemeral | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | so my opinion is to focus 100% on what we need absolutely to get in in this release | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | ephemeral can be done in parallel, it's an easy one | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | but it depends on VHDX | 16:35 |
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| primeministerp | right vhdx is waiting in the queue | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | so, if VHDX gets in w/o substantial changes (I don't expect any, frankly) we can get ephemeral done in a breeze | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | i would assume the rescue is a push | 16:36 |
| alexpilotti | I just marked it as started | 16:36 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that last comment was more of question | 16:37 |
| iben | -1 on rescue - why do we need that? is it a core feature? | 16:37 |
| alexpilotti | rescue is also depending on all of the above. A fairly easy one, but I don't want to overlay too many things | 16:37 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: and progress update? | 16:37 |
| pnavarro | guys, about ephemeral I won't be able to work on it before 26/08 - > too late? | 16:37 |
| alexpilotti | iben: it's just used to rescue images, KVM, XCP, have it | 16:37 |
| iben | okay - thanks | 16:37 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: on 26/8 it should be in | 16:38 |
| alexpilotti | with the code freeze on the 4th... | 16:38 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: we'll have to get it in prior | 16:38 |
| pnavarro | so, maybe it's better to be reassigned to other person, it's my vacation week | 16:39 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: lucky you :-) | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: enjoy your holiday please | 16:39 |
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| primeministerp | so given that pnavarro is unavailable do we need to push it or can you absorb it? | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: we'll assign to assign internally | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | agh | 16:40 |
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| alexpilotti | we'll have to assign it internally | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | page fault :-) | 16:40 |
| primeministerp | hehe | 16:40 |
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| pnavarro | as you said it's not difficult | 16:41 |
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| alexpilotti | it's not, luckily, couple of days should be done | 16:41 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | so we all agree | 16:41 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: it's way more useful if you can help us on the Cinder bits | 16:41 |
| alexpilotti | as you are already doing :-) | 16:42 |
| pnavarro | perfect then | 16:42 |
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| primeministerp | ok let's continue because we have a lot more to get to | 16:43 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: of the remaining what is a definate push | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 16:43 |
| primeministerp | hyper-v-agent | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | that's it IMO | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | for Nova | 16:43 |
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| primeministerp | hyper-v-ami | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | yep, hyper-v-agent for ceilometer (WIP) | 16:43 |
| primeministerp | and what about remotefx | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | As I was saying IMO AMI is almost useless at this stage | 16:44 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: then let's push that to I | 16:44 |
| alexpilotti | remotefx is basically done, I'm waiting for some hardware to test it | 16:44 |
| pnavarro | wow remotefx ! | 16:44 |
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| alexpilotti | yeah, it's very cool | 16:45 |
| primeministerp | ok then we are clear on what need to be done | 16:45 |
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| alexpilotti | I need to put a couple of DX11 cards on a server and make sure it works :-) | 16:45 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: can we move on to the next topic? | 16:46 |
| alexpilotti | so to recap, my non-wish-list is: | 16:46 |
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| primeministerp | hyper-v-ami, hyper-v-agent | 16:46 |
| alexpilotti | AMI, progress update, rescue | 16:46 |
| primeministerp | you're not including hyper-v-agent? | 16:47 |
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| alexpilotti | no, I'd like to get that done :-) | 16:47 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | then I'm good with that as well | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: sound good? | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | we'll move those 3 to I | 16:48 |
| pnavarro | it's ok for me | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | let's move on then | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | #puppet-openstack_hyper_v | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | #topic puppet-openstack_hyper_v | 16:49 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: ping | 16:49 |
| luis_fdez | uey | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: where does your refactor stand | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | i've been waiting to merge the last request | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: per your comments asking not to | 16:49 |
| luis_fdez | you can merge it with the last commit I pushed the last day | 16:50 |
| luis_fdez | the additional improvements are not yet ready | 16:50 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: ok, i'll do that after the meeting | 16:50 |
| luis_fdez | now I'm alswo working on integrating the registry module | 16:50 |
| luis_fdez | for creating the nova-compute service | 16:50 |
| luis_fdez | and call nova compute | 16:51 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: btw I've added a puppetfile w/ the pprerequests | 16:51 |
| luis_fdez | ah ok, I'll rebase it | 16:51 |
| luis_fdez | I want to find the best way of calling the python nova-compute from the windows service | 16:51 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: can you also put an example node config in tests | 16:51 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:51 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: I still need to try, and now the format has changed dramatically | 16:51 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i'll be in a position to test hopefully tomorrow | 16:52 |
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| luis_fdez | ok, I think this week I'll be able to work hard on the puppet side | 16:52 |
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| luis_fdez | last week I took it off | 16:52 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: no worries, we're making progress | 16:52 |
| luis_fdez | also the vcs module is pending | 16:53 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i've been dealing w/ all the other puppet bits for the infra here, working my way to the hyper-v nodes | 16:53 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: are you modifying upstream I assume | 16:53 |
| luis_fdez | vcs? I didn't touch it yet | 16:53 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: is that next? | 16:54 |
| luis_fdez | i think so... suggestions? | 16:54 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: well if we're going to do a from source install it's necesary | 16:54 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: and i'd rather just add windows support to the upstream modules | 16:54 |
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| luis_fdez | i agree | 16:54 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: this does mean that I'll have to break out additional modules | 16:54 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: and our dependancy list is going to be massive | 16:55 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: however we knew it would eventually be necessary | 16:55 |
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| luis_fdez | I'll try to make the current version as stable as possible and then jump to the next approach from source | 16:56 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: I have some comments on that | 16:56 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: under the next topic | 16:56 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:56 |
| luis_fdez | :) | 16:56 |
| luis_fdez | we can move if you want | 16:56 |
| primeministerp | #topic hyper-v ci | 16:56 |
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| primeministerp | so in regards to that piece | 16:57 |
| primeministerp | from source | 16:57 |
| primeministerp | as well as other pertaining to ci | 16:57 |
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| primeministerp | there is additional help currently ramping up | 16:57 |
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| iben | yeah - more resources! | 16:57 |
| primeministerp | to assist with the puppet work | 16:57 |
| primeministerp | yes | 16:57 |
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| luis_fdez | perfect :) | 16:58 |
| primeministerp | I spent the last week giving them an overview | 16:58 |
| primeministerp | there will be more to come, as it's going to take time for the others to get ramped up | 16:58 |
| primeministerp | but eventually you'll see them here and on the other channels as well | 16:58 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:59 |
| primeministerp | our goal is to have everything up and fully funtionaly before the april timeframe | 16:59 |
| primeministerp | however there will be substancial rampup in the immediate weeks | 17:00 |
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| primeministerp | that's about all I have | 17:00 |
| luis_fdez | help is welcomed | 17:00 |
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| primeministerp | for now | 17:00 |
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| primeministerp | does anyone have anything else to add | 17:01 |
| primeministerp | so we can end it | 17:01 |
| primeministerp | we're already running over | 17:01 |
| iben | just thanks for all the hard work | 17:01 |
| iben | this is gonna be great! | 17:01 |
| primeministerp | if not i'm ending the meeting, we can continue on the hyper-v channel | 17:01 |
| alexpilotti | tx! | 17:01 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 17:01:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_hyper_v/2013/_hyper_v.2013-08-13-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_hyper_v/2013/_hyper_v.2013-08-13-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_hyper_v/2013/_hyper_v.2013-08-13-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
| iben | That's irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#openstack-hyper-v for you noobs like me... | 17:03 |
| iben | #openstack-hyper-v | 17:03 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Keystone! | 17:59 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | hey | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
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| henrynash | howdy | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | Anyone know how to find aababilov? Would be good to get him in here | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: for which topic? | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | mornin | 18:01 |
| stevemar | probably Common Client Authentication | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | ah | 18:02 |
| ayoung | dolphm, client stuff. Been a lot going on there. | 18:02 |
| ayoung | Yeah | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 18:02:20 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic FeatureProposalFreeze | 18:02 |
| ayoung | I sent him email, but he is in the Ukraine, so it is pretty late in the day for him | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/013278.html | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | hopefully this isn't a surprise because i already spammed everyone about this, but read the above if you haven't ^ | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Looks good here. | 18:03 |
| topol | hi | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | makes sense to me | 18:03 |
| ayoung | dolphm, format date is...? | 18:03 |
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| fabiog | hi | 18:03 |
| ayoung | formal | 18:03 |
| dolphm | i don't expect any surprises, but wanted to bring everyone's attention to it again anyway :) | 18:03 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i think the people who need to know about it, know about it | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | we're already drowned in code reviews | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #topic morganfainberg | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | thankfully we have a new core reviewer to help with that :) | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | yay! | 18:04 |
| bknudson | awesome! | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | +1 | 18:04 |
| dolphm | official welcome to morganfainberg :) | 18:04 |
| henrynash | congrats! | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | i've been trying. :) | 18:04 |
| stevemar | +1 | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | thanks | 18:04 |
| fabiog | congrats! | 18:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, is there some other launchpad setting he needs in order to assign bugs to people? | 18:04 |
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| topol | congrats!!! Very wel deserved | 18:05 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, you are buying beer on the next summit? | 18:05 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ayoung: not sure, poke me after the meeting if something is wrong with lp | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | gyee… hrmm… we shall see. | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | yay | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #action morganfainberg to buy everyone beer | 18:05 |
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| gyee | ha | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #topic critical issues | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1210590 | 18:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210590 in keystone "Split backend crashes with AttributeError" [Critical,Confirmed] | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1211445 | 18:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211445 in keystone "deleting an unassigned role causes 500" [Critical,Confirmed] | 18:06 |
| dolphm | these are two nasty ones on v3 that i've seen reported a couple times | 18:06 |
| henrynash | dolphmL I can't seem to reproduce…tried what you di and it worked | 18:06 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: at least could not reproduce #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1210590 | 18:07 |
| dolphm | henrynash: hmm... i'll try to reproduce once more | 18:07 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210590 in keystone "Split backend crashes with AttributeError" [Critical,Confirmed] | 18:07 |
| henrynash | dolphm: is you db migrated or new? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | henrynash: brand new | 18:07 |
| henrynash | dolphm: hmmm | 18:08 |
| ayoung | henrynash, let me know if you want a hand with either | 18:08 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i have the steps to repro mostly scripted for a different bug | 18:08 |
| henrynash | dollphm: and we unit test exactly the url you tried | 18:08 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ok…if you can shed any more light…I'll get in and debug | 18:08 |
| dolphm | henrynash: will do | 18:08 |
| bknudson | the role exists but it's not assigned? | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, suspect that the differenc might be the LDAP backend. THe unicode thing leads me to think it might be a Directory server issue | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: yeah, new user, new project, new role ... and create a role assignment of the three -> 500 | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm ayoung: wasn't there a recent unicode relate ldap thing? | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: i'm not aware of one? | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: i might be thinking internal code | 18:10 |
| henrynash | bknduson: so I made a change where the list of roles for a user/probject pair became a list of dicts instead | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: i'll check | 18:10 |
| bknudson | spzala had a work in progress for unicode | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: ah that might be what i saw. | 18:10 |
| henrynash | my guess is that I missed something somewhere and something is still returning an old style list | 18:10 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yes, there is a well known issue. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1172106 | 18:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1172106 in keystone "Live LDAP tests fail on unicode names" [Medium,In progress] | 18:10 |
| dolphm | could use some LDAP-expert feedback on bug 1211643 | 18:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211643 in keystone "Update user name failed with LDAP back end by CLI" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211643 | 18:10 |
| dolphm | maybe that needs to be configurable | 18:11 |
| spzala | yep, it's specific to the LDAP though | 18:11 |
| bknudson | it's strange we don't allow change name in ldap backend. | 18:11 |
| spzala | ayoung: thanks for the bug link | 18:11 |
| bknudson | since it's not like you can't change the name attribute in an entry. | 18:11 |
| ayoung | dolphm, assign any ldap bugs to me | 18:12 |
| gyee | you should be able to update user name | 18:13 |
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| gyee | sounds like a bug in the code | 18:13 |
| gyee | unless your LDAP ACL is configure to have it read only | 18:13 |
| bknudson | let them try to change the name and if the ldap server doesn't like it it can reject the request. | 18:13 |
| dolphm | gyee: it was expected behavior when it was implemented | 18:14 |
| dolphm | gyee: i'd be careful about suddenly allowing it | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: hmm... that's probably a safe approach | 18:14 |
| bknudson | sql could do the same thing | 18:15 |
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| gyee | dolphm, you mean we don't allow updating user name? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | maybe ldap doesn't check for duplicates? | 18:15 |
| ayoung | username is typically modifiable, so long as the userid is immutable. Should be enforced by ACLs. | 18:15 |
| dolphm | gyee: historically, no | 18:15 |
| ayoung | so, yeah, lets allow it. | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: depends on schema | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: and acls | 18:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, is that a general rule across all backends? If so, then the bug can be closed notabug | 18:16 |
| dolphm | continue this discussion in the bug / review? | 18:16 |
| gyee | ok then, we need to distinguished what we can do versus what LDAP can do | 18:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm, agreed | 18:16 |
| dolphm | this isn't high priority, just wanted to bring some attention to it | 18:16 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41603/ | 18:16 |
| dolphm | #topic pagination | 18:17 |
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| gyee | :) | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/013493.html | 18:17 |
| henrynash | ok, so quite lively ML discussion going on | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | So I think we need pagination short term, but we should be wary of depending on it over the long. LDAP and pagination is a bad mix | 18:17 |
| ayoung | listing all users is also a bad practice. | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: +1 | 18:17 |
| gyee | lets pass the query parameters into the drivers and let the drivers optimize | 18:18 |
| henrynash | so it's worth reading the ML trail | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I opened a handful of related wishlist items yesterdat. | 18:18 |
| gyee | would be hard to standardize if drivers don't speak the same language | 18:19 |
| dolphm | ayoung: use google as an example :) you can't go to google.com and see "all search results" with a blank query string | 18:19 |
| henrynash | Jay certainly advocating we support the same thing that other projects do, i.e. limit/marker | 18:19 |
| ayoung | dolphm, good point | 18:19 |
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| bknudson | I think it would be best if we followed what other OS projects are doing. | 18:19 |
| henrynash | Is there a reason we WOULDN'T do what the other projects have done? | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: at the very least it makes it easier for developers to interact with keystone then | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | http://bit.ly/168qd2d | 18:20 |
| bknudson | should be able to use shared code to do paging. | 18:20 |
| ayoung | those are new and wishlist bugs | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | sort key and sort order are particularly important to have consistent, even if we don't expose that to the api yet | 18:20 |
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| gyee | bknudson, we don't follow, we lead :) | 18:20 |
| henrynash | Here's my most recent ML post: | 18:20 |
| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1211582 | 18:20 |
| henrynash | 1) Support 'limit' and 'marker' (as opposed to 'page', 'page_szie', or anything else). These would be standard, independent of what backing store keystone was using. If neither are included in the url, then we return the first N entires, where N is defined by the cloud provider. This ensures that for at least smaller deployments, non-pagination aware clients still work. If either 'limit' or 'marker' are specified, then we pagi | 18:20 |
| henrynash | down into the driver layer wherever possible to ensure efficiency (some drivers may not be able to support pagination, hence we will do this, inefficiently, at a higher layer) | 18:20 |
| henrynash | 2) If we are paginating at the driver level, we must, by definition, be doing all the filtering down there as well (otherwise it all gets mucked) | 18:20 |
| henrynash | 3) We should look at supporting the other standard options (sort order etc.), but irrespective of that, by definition, we must ensure that we any driver that is paginating must be getting is entries back in a consistent order (otherwise, again, pagination doesn't work reliably) | 18:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211582 in keystone "Filter user list by partial attributes" [Wishlist,New] | 18:20 |
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| bknudson | btw - the identity API spec doesn't have page / page_size anymore... I submitted a change to remove them since they weren't implemented. | 18:21 |
| bknudson | can always add them back in again. | 18:21 |
| henrynash | bknudson…has that gone in…I checked earlier today and they were still there... | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, better to add them when we have support. | 18:22 |
| ayoung | let me, once again, reiterate the LDAP specific concerns, 1) limit the number of entries returnsed. 2) LDAP does not guarantee order, which means paging requires a cursor. 3) Cursors don't scale | 18:22 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md doesn't have them | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39828/ | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | ldap servers can have their own limit on results anyways | 18:22 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: so that's fine, we just return N items as I describe | 18:22 |
| bknudson | I think Active Directory has paging of member attribute. | 18:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, but we should also allow Keystone to specify the limit. See the problem with the HP ED taking an hour+ to return | 18:23 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: agreed, we should have a keystone limit | 18:24 |
| gyee | ayoung, that's because HP ED is miss configured :) | 18:24 |
| gyee | misconfigured | 18:24 |
| ayoung | --sizeLimit 200 | 18:24 |
| ayoung | option value for all LDAP queries, I think? | 18:24 |
| dolphm | lol | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: right, but regardless, we should limit (or optionally be able to provide a limit) to solve that. | 18:24 |
| gyee | sure, I am fine with having limit on the client-side | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | s/solve/make keystone better regardless of misconfiguration | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | of the server | 18:25 |
| gyee | LDAP servers usually don't take hours and return you thousands of entries | 18:25 |
| gyee | if configured correctly | 18:25 |
| henrynash | so are there any objections to my most recent proposal…it does seem to cover all the above issues? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | on paging, there was some question about the implementation. Are we just punting on it? | 18:25 |
| gyee | LDAP, by design, is for *fast lookup* | 18:25 |
| rcrit | should there be a knob for ldap search time limit though? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | rcrit, it can be optional, too | 18:26 |
| rcrit | at least with 389-ds there is one, even if the user doesn't set it themself | 18:26 |
| ayoung | rcrit, file that as a wishlist bug | 18:26 |
| rcrit | I don't wish it, just asking :-) | 18:27 |
| ayoung | or tag it on to the limit | 18:27 |
| ayoung | rcrit, I know better than that.... | 18:27 |
| bknudson | why just ldap search? can't sql query take a long time, too? | 18:27 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I think because timeout is a standard part of an ldap query | 18:27 |
| gyee | bknudson, if an LDAP query takes a long time, something is misconfigured | 18:28 |
| ayoung | pretty sure SQL has not such standard | 18:28 |
| rcrit | it's a server-side thing. | 18:28 |
| rcrit | I think, anyway | 18:28 |
| ayoung | ldapsearch --hostname localhost -p 1389 --baseDn 'uid=user.0,ou=people,dc=example,dc=com' \ | 18:28 |
| ayoung | --searchScope base --sizeLimit 1 --timeLimit 1 '(&)' @inetOrgPerson | 18:28 |
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| bknudson | keystone doesn't have any control over the ldap server settings. | 18:28 |
| ayoung | bknudson, no, but it can chose to use server side controls if they are available | 18:29 |
| dolphm | bknudson: but we should totally change that | 18:29 |
| dolphm | bknudson: keystone-manage configure_ldap_correctly | 18:29 |
| henrynash | proposal: I'll create an etherpad that contains my most recent proposal from the ML (that is essentially to do things the way other projects do), link it to the bp and let others comment? | 18:29 |
| gyee | damn straight | 18:29 |
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| topol | henrynash +1 | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, there is already something like that for AD, where it can make use of a control if the server supports it. I'd have to dig up the commit. Was probably done by CERN | 18:29 |
| dolphm | henrynash: the way other projects do it is a great approach for SQL | 18:30 |
| ayoung | henrynash, blueprint, link to the wishlist bugs | 18:30 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: I believe that my proposal at least ensures that we don't get long delays from LDAP | 18:30 |
| henrynash | ayoung: this isn't a wishlst, we are implementing a solution for H3 | 18:31 |
| bknudson | ldap.search_ext_s has a timeout= parameter. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | henrynash, then up the priority of the bug | 18:31 |
| bknudson | and can pass server and client controls if that's an option. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | OK, I think we have an approach.Just please add me as a review on any LDAP changes. I'll try to keep an eye out for them. make sure LDAP is in the patch description | 18:32 |
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| gyee | meee 2 | 18:32 |
| henrynash | ayoung, gyee: ok! | 18:33 |
| henrynash | dolphm: probably time for a new topic | 18:33 |
| bknudson | what's the marker parameter? a value from the next entry? | 18:33 |
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| gyee | marker is suppose to be the last entry from the previous batch | 18:33 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ++ | 18:33 |
| topol | henrynash I will be happy to review as well | 18:34 |
| bknudson | so like uid? | 18:34 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: yep | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: skip common client auth? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | #topic common client auth | 18:34 |
| ayoung | just want people to know: | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28043/ | 18:34 |
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| henrynash | (ok, I have to duck out….sorry folks…., be back on later) | 18:34 |
| ayoung | I submite a revert review for the osl change to auth client | 18:34 |
| dolphm | giant patch | 18:34 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41578/ | 18:34 |
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| bknudson | who reviewed the original patch in oslo-incubator? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | and I talked with aababilov | 18:35 |
| ayoung | we are going to work to get this integrated directly into the keystone client | 18:35 |
| ayoung | jamielennox is aware and has responded to him as well. This should be a good approach | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | I guess we can move it oslo-incubator after it's been used in keystoneclient if that's necessary | 18:36 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm in favor of the notion... if absolutely nothing else, it's more likely we'll have more security-sensitive eyes on the code that way | 18:36 |
| ayoung | bknudson, doesn't really matter. I don't think they were aware that this was supposed to be a Keystone thing, too | 18:36 |
| bknudson | but other clients should be able to import keystoneclient? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | bknudson, no | 18:36 |
| ayoung | bknudson, other clients should pull in keystone client as a library | 18:36 |
| ayoung | won't go into oslo | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, "but other clients should be able to import keystoneclient?" yes | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | much easier to keep it "correct" if keystoneclient owns it and it's not in oslo | 18:37 |
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| dolphm | ++ | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | it means we wont run into projects lagging in sync | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | and causing auth issues. | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: +1 | 18:38 |
| ayoung | we may decide we want to break up keystone client over time. I could easily see it as: command line, keystone common library, keystone client library, and middleware. | 18:38 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: we need to make it stupid easy for other projects to consume us, which is NOT the case today :( | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: yes, that is related to the topic. | 18:38 |
| bknudson | different installs might have different levels of the client, and now we have to be very careful of backwards compatibility. | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: and ++ | 18:38 |
| dolphm | everything from auth options -> client side token management -> authenticating requests to other services | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i think we are already having to watch closely on that wrt auth_token. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | it would be nice if we could build that out of a single git repo. | 18:39 |
| gyee | dolphm, like secured by default? which does nothing :) | 18:39 |
| cody-somerville | Does shared common client auth also include the service catalog stuff? | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | cody-somerville, yes | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | cody-somerville, it is implicit that when you get a token you get the service catalog with it. | 18:40 |
| cody-somerville | because it's broken in keystoneclient trunk currently - region_name get passed to AccessInfo (which would pass it on to ServiceCatalog if it was) and thus region_name is ignored. | 18:41 |
| cody-somerville | and everyone seems to do things like url_for differently. | 18:41 |
| ayoung | cody-somerville, file it in launchpad, or if it is filed, please link the bug | 18:41 |
| cody-somerville | I haven't filed it yet but will be doing so today. | 18:41 |
| gyee | service catalog needs a bit more work | 18:41 |
| dolphm | the way we expose the service catalog is sad | 18:42 |
| ayoung | cody-somerville, there was an expired review for region work, which jaypipes is planing on resubmitting as an extension. | 18:42 |
| cody-somerville | oops, I typoed: region_name *does not* get passed to AccessInfo | 18:42 |
| ayoung | cody-somerville, thanks | 18:42 |
| cody-somerville | +1 | 18:42 |
| gyee | dolphm, yeah, we need to go back to the drawing board on this one | 18:42 |
| gyee | like how to facilitate API versioned urls | 18:42 |
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| cody-somerville | I'll note that it would probably be much appreciated if you guys kept the heat people appraised of any changes here | 18:43 |
| ayoung | cody-somerville, will do | 18:43 |
| bknudson | eventually we want all clients to use the common auth stuff | 18:44 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | which means someone has to go through all the other clients and update them to use common auth | 18:44 |
| dolphm | there's some high priority code reviews on the agenda -- | 18:44 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/ | 18:44 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38308/ | 18:45 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40692/5 | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | Ahh good, KDS has a new patchset. | 18:45 |
| JoeHazzers | also, is there anything happening regarding external authentication methods? | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29130/ dolphm, this one too :) | 18:45 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the API does, yeah. simo will sync the code to API once it is clear there is not too much churn | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: yep, that was what i meant | 18:46 |
| gyee | code reviews from here on out | 18:46 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I think oauth is close | 18:47 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yay | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yeah, it's looking really good. | 18:47 |
| gyee | JoeHazzers, what do you have in mind? | 18:47 |
| topol | stevemar +1 | 18:47 |
| ayoung | I'll give it another look. I assume no major changes since last I looked. I withdraw the requests for making access tokensi nto Keystone tokens....although it might be worth revisint that in the future. | 18:47 |
| ayoung | revisiting | 18:48 |
| gyee | oauth ftw | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that reminds me... https://gist.github.com/dolph/6198529 | 18:48 |
| JoeHazzers | gyee: i know someone who wants to integrate kerberos, x509 and other authentication methods with keystone, such that the client and server (if running under say apache) can negotiate and authenticate via other methods than a simple username and password | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, neat | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: my first pass was with PKI-based oauth access_keys ... i switched to AES in the current gist, but will be switching back | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: thats cool. | 18:48 |
| ayoung | JoeHazzers, already done in Apache HTTPD | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | JoeHazzers, would not recommend trying to do it in Eventlet | 18:49 |
| dolphm | basically the oauth secret is encrypted into the access key along with basic authz attributes | 18:49 |
| JoeHazzers | yes, but how does client discovery or knowledge of these methods work? | 18:49 |
| dolphm | project_id, role_names, secret = verify_access_key(access_key) | 18:50 |
| ayoung | JoeHazzers, we are working on an extension for that. THe kent federation review is going to split that off into its own extension | 18:50 |
| JoeHazzers | okay! | 18:50 |
| ayoung | JoeHazzers, the review is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39499/ see the first two items on the list: listing IdPs and listing protocols supported. | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, should that piece end up part of keystone client? | 18:52 |
| ayoung | One other review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41471/ | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i am checking on that FK constraint right now | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | I don't see it in the DB, but I'm going to 2x check to see what is going on. | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | trying it from a clean slate. | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: yeah, parts of it | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: keystoneclient doesn't have any business creating access tokens, but keystoneclient should be able to verify them (a la keystoneclient.common.cms.verify_token()) | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, that is what I was thinking | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: keystoneclient.contrib.oauth.verify_access_token() or something? | 18:55 |
| dolphm | oauth1* | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | 4 minutes. Any last burning topics? | 18:56 |
| gyee | who's going to IceHouse summit? | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | I'll be there | 18:58 |
| topol | I plan on being there | 18:58 |
| ayoung | I'll be there. | 18:58 |
| gyee | same here | 18:58 |
| stevemar | gyee: hopefully! | 18:58 |
| ayoung | jamielennox and simo from RH as well representing IdM | 18:58 |
| dolphm | gyee: o/ | 18:58 |
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| topol | ayoung, a much better answer than last time | 18:58 |
| ayoung | topol, I even have a book on Cantonese | 18:59 |
| topol | ayoung, wow | 18:59 |
| gyee | ayoung, I can teach the good stuff :) | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: hehe | 18:59 |
| ayoung | 我迷路了，請幫我 | 18:59 |
| topol | Im just gonna follow gyee everywhere | 18:59 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:59 |
| stevemar | nice one ayoung | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | topol: that is a good idea | 18:59 |
| topol | gyee, where we going to dinner. gyee what is this on the menu | 18:59 |
| gyee | topol, I'll let you know what I ordered, after dinner :) | 19:00 |
| ayoung | æˆ‘çš„æ°£å¢Šèˆ¹â€‹â€‹é°»éš | 19:00 |
| topol | gyee, I've fallen for that before | 19:00 |
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| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| ayoung | times up\ | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 19:00:55 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-13-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-13-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| lbragstad | thanks all | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-13-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | thanks! | 19:01 |
| jeblair | ci/infra folks around? | 19:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | ho | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | mordred: ping | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 19:02:44 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Backups (jeblair) | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | clarkb and mordred were working on getting us an account in hpcloud we could use for backups | 19:03 |
| jeblair | clarkb, mordred: do you know the current status of that? | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | the account is there, mordred has apparently requested that it be comped, but I haven't heard if that has actually been done yet | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | mordred: have you gotten a response on that request yet? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb: any way you can find out? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | it's starting to seem like mordred won't be here. | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | I don't think I have direct access to the things that will tell me, but I can ask around today to see if anyone else can dig it up | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb look into new hpcloud account status | 19:05 |
| jeblair | so the other thing is that mordred was supposed to write a database backup script | 19:05 |
| jeblair | has anyone seen anything come out of that? | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I haven't | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i haven't noticed a review for that yet, no | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I know pcrews attached an example script to the bug, but I don't think mordred built on that | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | yeah, that's not at all what we need | 19:07 |
| jeblair | we basically just need "mysqldump > file" | 19:07 |
| clarkb | oh in that case we can just copy pasta the equivalent in the etherpad module out into its own thing and use it where necessary | 19:07 |
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| ttx | copy pasta. hmmmm. | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I wrote the one in etherpad and can split it out if that is what we think we want to do | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that would be great. | 19:08 |
| clarkb | ok I will put that at the top of this afternoons list to avoid it lagging any further | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: with that, we should be able to just "include bup" and "include mysql_backup" or something in the manifest of any host we want to backup. | 19:09 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb split etherpad mysql backup out into distinct puppet module | 19:09 |
| fungi | clarkb: i also have one i use on my personal servers i can send you, for alternative perspective | 19:09 |
| jeblair | o i forgot to: | 19:09 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:09 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-06-19.01.html | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | #topic Project renames (jeblair) | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | this is another mordred topic really... | 19:10 |
| jeblair | istr that mordred said he could do the project names this weekend. | 19:10 |
| fungi | tripleo project renames? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | they've been languishing a while... | 19:10 |
| fungi | i cannot, likely, as i'll be flying cross-country a good chunk of the weekend | 19:11 |
| jeblair | so i think our options are: punt another week, schedule them and do them ourselves, or schedule them on mordred's behalf. | 19:11 |
| ttx | note that even week-ends will start getting busy starting next week | 19:11 |
| ttx | approaching the freezes | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I can assist if we decide to go with this weekend. But will be driving to and from portalnd saturday mroning and sunday afternoon so something in the middle is easiest for me | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | yeah. i don't have the bandwidth to manage these myself at the moment. | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | yay summer | 19:12 |
| jeblair | i believe the list is: tripleo, pypi-mirror (delete), and puppet-quantum | 19:12 |
| clarkb | also mordred will be AFK beginning next week | 19:12 |
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| fungi | burning the man, yes | 19:13 |
| ttx | I'm already burning here fwiw | 19:13 |
| ttx | countries on the equatorian line do that to you | 19:13 |
| clarkb | jeblair: and pyghmi | 19:13 |
| clarkb | or is triplie == pyghmi ? | 19:13 |
| jeblair | so it doesn't sound like any of us can be primary on this one, so i think we should not schedule anything ourselves, give mordred the list, and hopefully he can schedule and do the work soon. | 19:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: no, tripleo is an org move | 19:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: of os-* and such | 19:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: pyghmi is python-ipmi -> pyghmi (both in stackforge) | 19:14 |
| clarkb | jeblair: gotcha and I agree with giving mordred the list | 19:14 |
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| fungi | yes, sadly | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #action mordred schedule project renames: tripleo, python-ipmi, puppet-quantum, pypi-mirror(delete) | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #topic Tarballs move (jeblair) | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | we need to move tarballs to static.o.o | 19:16 |
| jeblair | because they are still on old-wiki | 19:16 |
| jeblair | i think that's a dns change, plus rsync. probably best done with jenkins.o.o offline (to prevent new uploads during the move) | 19:16 |
| ttx | jeblair: there was a recent bug about making their refresh atomic, in case you want to handle both a tthe same time | 19:16 |
| fungi | bug 1211717 | 19:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211717 in openstack-ci "master tarballs publication is non atomic " [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211717 | 19:17 |
| fungi | i suspect that will take some development work | 19:17 |
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| ttx | fungi: yes, if it's just dns + rsync probably best fixed independently | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i think the solution to that is the artifact upload script we've talked about | 19:18 |
| jeblair | (also relates to logs) | 19:18 |
| fungi | yeah, i suggested it in the bug | 19:18 |
| jeblair | basically instead of using scp module in jenkins, we have a script upload artifacts to a web service | 19:18 |
| jeblair | which can then put them (somewhere: filesystem, swift, doesn't matter), and then we have another web service serve them | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i think the log htmlifier is the first part of the second service | 19:19 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i wonder if we could modify the scp plugin to fix bug 1211717 | 19:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211717 in openstack-ci "master tarballs publication is non atomic " [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211717 | 19:20 |
| jeblair | perhaps it could upload to a tempfile and then ssh mv the result | 19:20 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think that would be one alternative | 19:21 |
| jeblair | (thinking short-term here, because obviously the other thing is very long-term) | 19:21 |
| ttx | jeblair: shouldn't affect the move to static.o.o though | 19:21 |
| clarkb | ttx: correct | 19:21 |
| fungi | yeah, i described that as an alternative (though didn't specifically mention the development would need to take place in the jenkins-scp plugin, it was implied) | 19:22 |
| fungi | i guess i said "script" in the bug, but was trying not to get to too far into jenkins detail weeds there if it was a non-optimal path | 19:23 |
| jeblair | i'd like to stay focused on getting jenkins/devstack-gate scaled out in anticipation of the increased load around the freeze | 19:23 |
| fungi | definitely | 19:24 |
| jeblair | fungi, clarkb: so unless you want to volunteer to lead the move very soon, i'd probably defer it until after the freeze | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | there are a lot of freezes | 19:25 |
| fungi | i don't think it's urgent, and would rather not risk impact to release activities | 19:25 |
| jeblair | 19:25 | |
| clarkb | fungi: ++ | 19:26 |
| jeblair | so let's leave that on the agenda to schedule when we have bandwidth and have a better handle on how to fit it into release activities. | 19:26 |
| jeblair | the actual downtime shouldn't be too long though; we just need some prep time and a good window to fix problems. | 19:27 |
| jeblair | #topi Asterisk server (jeblair, pabelanger, russelb) | 19:27 |
| jeblair | #topic Asterisk server (jeblair, pabelanger, russelb) | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger, russellb: do you want to do more 'internal' testing of asterisk, or should we get some other folks using it (reed + user groups, foundation staff, ...?) to widen testing a bit? | 19:28 |
| clarkb | note cacti is currently off for security reasons which may make looking at numbers slightly difficult | 19:29 |
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| fungi | it's still collecting stats, just not viewable at the moment | 19:29 |
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| fungi | but we're not losing historical trending data afaik | 19:30 |
| jeblair | if we really needed a graph, we could create one too | 19:30 |
| * fungi didn't comment out the snmp cron jobs | 19:30 | |
| pabelanger | jeblair, ya, a load test would be good to doo | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | do* | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | that way we can see how well the server will hold up | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: ok, so we should schedule a time where we can all try to call in | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | jeblair, yes, I think that will work | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | how about this friday? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | Friday works for me. anytime but around lunch pacific | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | wfm | 19:32 |
| fungi | i'm cool with any time friday | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | works here | 19:33 |
| zaro | zaro: wfm | 19:33 |
| ttx | jeblair: post the precise time on the infra list and I'll call if I'm around | 19:33 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send announcement to infra list for call at 10am pacific friday | 19:34 |
| jeblair | that's uh, 1700 utc i think | 19:35 |
| fungi | yep | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | #topic cgit server status (pleia2) | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: you're up! | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | mordred's patch to create the repos on git.o.o was merged earlier, but the script won't trigger automatically until projects.yaml is updated again | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | do we want to help it along? | 19:36 |
| fungi | pleia2: i ran the updated create-cgitrepos script on git.o.o just a few minutes ago, but it didn't chown the repos to the cgit user | 19:37 |
| fungi | so they're still root:root owned | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | ah right, that script runs from root, not cgit user | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | I'll write a chown patch | 19:37 |
| fungi | i'll clear those out and we can try again when that merges | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | once that's done, replication should start working and we should be good | 19:38 |
| jeblair | we can probably merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41643/ soon, which is a projects.yaml update | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | (if we want to use that to test the git work) | 19:38 |
| fungi | that would be preferable to me manually triggering the script, definitely | 19:39 |
| fungi | exercises more of the automation | 19:39 |
| jeblair | pleia2: so close! :) | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | yes, this week, for real this time! | 19:39 |
| jeblair | #topic OpenPGP workflow (fungi) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | this was more of just a general heads up that with the formation of the new release program, i'm pushing to start a strong openpgp web of trust for the project | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | ++ | 19:40 |
| fungi | we're a bit behind the curve there given our size, but the speed at which the project grew makes that understandable | 19:40 |
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| fungi | i'm putting together some recommendations in a wiki article this week for general workflow around key validation and signing | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:41 |
| clarkb | sounds good | 19:41 |
| fungi | and then we'll probably aim to start doing organized key signing parties a la debian/ubuntu as of the j summit | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: we're having ubuntu hour + debian dinner wednesday, sign keys? ;) | 19:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: do you intend on trying to have the jenkins jobs check the keys as part of the release process too? | 19:41 |
| fungi | clarkb: that is a goal | 19:42 |
| fungi | clarkb: more than that, i've been playing with ways to validate our tarballs on a trusted slave prior to signing them with a release key too | 19:42 |
| jeblair | fungi: would the release team still sign the final releases personally, or with a key that is not owned by a bot? | 19:42 |
| fungi | a release automation key would be signed at a minimum by the release team members and so on | 19:42 |
| fungi | jeblair: we could certainly have a mechanism to take individual detached signatures in the process, sure | 19:43 |
| fungi | so release team members could still sign them directly, though it would add an additional delay into things like client uploads to pypi | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: ok. having things automatically signed by jenkins is good -- but in my mind all it means is "this thing was signed by jenkins" | 19:44 |
| fungi | yep | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: which i don't trust _nearly_ as much as "this thing was signed by thierry" | 19:44 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:44 |
| fungi | it's something we'll want to discuss the pros and cons of when we get closer to making it work | 19:44 |
| jeblair | *nod* | 19:44 |
| fungi | anyway, i'll give you all a heads up when i've got some initial documentation up, and i look forward to signing your keys in hk perhaps | 19:45 |
| jeblair | fungi: cool :) | 19:45 |
| jeblair | and thanks! | 19:46 |
| fungi | my pleasure | 19:46 |
| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | the log htmlifier should be working on logs.o.o now | 19:46 |
| clarkb | and logstash is only indexing non debug screen log lines now and is much happier as a result | 19:47 |
| zaro | cool! | 19:47 |
| clarkb | when sdague gets back I intend to start hitting that system with actualy work | 19:47 |
| clarkb | *actual | 19:47 |
| jeblair | the devstack-gate node pooling code is going to become its own project called 'nodepool' | 19:47 |
| ttx | fungi: I saw signs that you might be working on capping stable/folsom reqs ? | 19:48 |
| ttx | fungi: or does it have nothing to do with it ? | 19:48 |
| fungi | ttx: yes, i'm seeing what needs to happen to backport the requirements enforcement to grizzly and maybe also folsom | 19:48 |
| clarkb | we will drop folsom support/testing after the icehouse summit right? | 19:49 |
| ttx | fungi: err.. I was talking about introducing caps to stable/folsom to prevent it from breaking while nobody looks after it | 19:49 |
| clarkb | or when havana releases? is it worth putting effort into it? | 19:49 |
| jeblair | clarkb: hrm. this is blank for me: http://logs.openstack.org/59/38259/9/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-testr-full/23210d1/logs/screen-n-net.txt.gz | 19:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: :( looks like something broke | 19:49 |
| clarkb | 500 internal server error, I will poke at it when I get a chance. | 19:50 |
| fungi | ttx: oh, just for folsom? yeah i started figuring out how to identify the transitive dependencies of each project so we can actually cap them, and i think we decided that it was fine not to care about supporting dependencies which have security fix releases except on a case-by-case basis (in other words, cap to today's version number exactly)? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | if necessary we can revert the apache change that enabled it on logs.o.o | 19:50 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:50 |
| ttx | fungi: that would work for me. We can still bump manually | 19:50 |
| mordred | hey all | 19:50 |
| ttx | fungi: keep me posted if you make progress on that. Scripting it would be nice since we'll need to do that every 6 months | 19:51 |
| fungi | ttx: it will be different for grizzly i think since we'll want to integrate it into openstack/requirements enforcement tooling | 19:52 |
| ttx | (we need to do folsom yesterday and grizzly some time after yje icehouse summit) | 19:52 |
| jeblair | mordred: just in time. :) | 19:52 |
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| mordred | woot :) | 19:52 |
| fungi | ttx: whereas folsom i think we can just do by hand as a proof of concept for figuring out what actually works | 19:52 |
| * mordred apparently had to go to a bank in a cellar in the middle of brasilia | 19:52 | |
| ttx | fungi: +1 | 19:52 |
| ttx | mordred: to find wifi ? | 19:52 |
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| fungi | mordred: is that where you keep your offshore funds and casks of amontillado | 19:53 |
| mordred | ttx: yes | 19:53 |
| mordred | fungi: yes | 19:53 |
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| mordred | any way I can be useful to anyone? | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | mordred: we made a list of project renames, but none of us can take the lead on it this week, so it's up to you to schedule/do them. | 19:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: clarkb and i may be able to pitch in in a supporting role. | 19:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: great. I will do that | 19:54 |
| ttx | <ttx> mordred: all clear to play with merge-milestone-proposed-back-to-master on swift 1.9.1 | 19:54 |
| ttx | <ttx> I'm holding on removing the branch | 19:54 |
| mordred | ttx: awesome. thank you | 19:54 |
| zaro | i had two patches for gerrit WIP votes. One got accepted, https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/48255 :) The other one didn't, https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/48254 :( | 19:54 |
| mordred | ttx: I think I want to do it manually a couple of times before automating it - just to make sure I grok all the things - is that ok with you? | 19:54 |
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| ttx | mordred: sure. We'll have havana-3 to play with too | 19:55 |
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| mordred | awesome | 19:55 |
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| fungi | zaro: looks like it's still collecting suggestions at least, so they haven't vetoed it | 19:55 |
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| zaro | fungi: yeah, i think it's pretty much dead | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | zaro: you don't think you can implement their suggestions? | 19:57 |
| zaro | jeblair: ohh, i just got the feedback, so that's what i plan to do next. | 19:57 |
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| zaro | fungi: i just meant that patch was dead. need to redo. | 19:57 |
| jeblair | oh, ok. patch - yes, idea - no. :) | 19:58 |
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| fungi | zaro: ahh, okay. yeah minor stumbling block on the road to acceptance there, from the looks of it. none of the comments seemed to say "nah, we don't want the feature" | 19:58 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 19:59:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-13-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-13-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-13-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | (not tc meeting this week) | 20:00 |
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| ttx | coming up next: release/status meeting in one hour | 20:01 |
| jgriffith | stay tuned :) | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | lol exactly | 20:01 |
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| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 21:00 |
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| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:00 |
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| markwash | o/ | 21:00 |
| markmc | hey | 21:01 |
| lifeless | o/ | 21:01 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 21:02:12 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | Usual agenda, Cinder may go first since John has a conflict | 21:02 |
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| ttx | (if he arrives) | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | 0/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:02 |
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| ttx | Upcoming deadlines are FeatureProposalFreeze for some projects: | 21:02 |
| ttx | Nova and Cinder on Aug 21, Neutron on Aug 23 | 21:03 |
| ttx | dolphm: did you settle on August 28 for Keystone ? | 21:03 |
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| dolphm | ttx: yes, haven't heard any complaints | 21:03 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, will add it to the release schedule for info | 21:03 |
| dolphm | ttx: thank you! | 21:03 |
| ttx | For the projects which enforce it, all feature code shall be *proposed* by FPF | 21:03 |
| shardy | ttx: we decided on August 23rd for Heat | 21:03 |
| ttx | shardy: ah. good news | 21:03 |
| ttx | #action ttx to update release schedule to include Heat (Aug 23) and keystone (Aug 28) | 21:04 |
| ttx | This should let you have an easy hard rule about rejecting random stuff that would suddenly appear one week before FeatureFreeze | 21:04 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair/mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:04 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | annegentle: shoot | 21:05 |
| annegentle | We had our monthly meeting this morning, are looking at going to weekly or every other week | 21:05 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2013-08-13 | 21:05 |
| annegentle | Want to be sure the PTLs are good with continuous publishing for some docs, I think I should ask individuals though. | 21:06 |
| jeblair | ttx: nak | 21:06 |
| ttx | annegentle: that may be more successful | 21:06 |
| annegentle | ttx: yep. That's all I've got | 21:06 |
| ttx | I usually go after people and point them to the thread. You can't rely on everyone reading everything | 21:06 |
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| lifeless | annegentle: we're good with continuous publishing | 21:07 |
| ttx | ok, let's go project-specific | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:07 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: hey there | 21:07 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:08 |
| * ttx refreshes | 21:08 | |
| jgriffith | one undefined still | 21:08 |
| jgriffith | I need an update if it's still moving forward "optional iscsi support" | 21:08 |
| jgriffith | should have it set or deferred tomorrow | 21:08 |
| ttx | I wonder if refactor-lvm-and-iscsi-driver and vmware-vmdk-cinder-driver should not be considered "Needs code review" now | 21:09 |
| ttx | 26% done, 13% under review, 46% in progress, 13% not started | 21:09 |
| jgriffith | yes to all of the above | 21:09 |
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| ttx | OK, please update as soon as you get a chance | 21:09 |
| ttx | so you're probably not really behind | 21:09 |
| jgriffith | ttx: doing it now | 21:09 |
| ttx | You've got 2 "not started" still: add-export-import-volumes and db-migration-tests... Is it reasonable to keep them in the roadmap ? | 21:10 |
| jgriffith | we'll see, think there are some things that are going to get added the next few days | 21:10 |
| ttx | i.e. are they easy and fast ? | 21:10 |
| ttx | Move to Low or 'next' ? | 21:10 |
| jgriffith | I need to get ahold of the Mirantis guys, they're tough to communicate with at times | 21:10 |
| jgriffith | I'm leaning towards next | 21:10 |
| jgriffith | but I was scolded for not targetting those in the first place | 21:11 |
| jgriffith | so I'm being overly generous in giving them chances | 21:11 |
| ttx | you can send a mail with a deadline and move them if you don't get evidence it may make it | 21:11 |
| jgriffith | will do | 21:11 |
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| ttx | or you can keep them "Low" priority and not care if it makes it or not | 21:11 |
| ttx | jgriffith: anything else on your mind ? | 21:12 |
| jgriffith | ttx: personally I really don't :) | 21:12 |
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| jgriffith | just the brick effort, but I should link up with russellb outside of meeting on that | 21:12 |
| ttx | ok | 21:12 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:12 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone for letting me jump ahead this week | 21:12 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:13 |
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| markmc | hey | 21:13 |
| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:13 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:13 |
| ttx | 83% done, 16% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started | 21:13 |
| markmc | big one is obviously https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/trusted-messaging | 21:13 |
| markmc | the main part of the oslo work for that has actually merged | 21:13 |
| markmc | but we're still waiting on the kds side | 21:13 |
| markmc | there's an API spec for the kds stuff under review here: https://review.openstack.org/40692 | 21:14 |
| ttx | so we may end wit hthe feature in oslo but unusable for the lack of a KDS, right ? | 21:14 |
| markmc | I take it keystone folks still think it has a chance to make it | 21:14 |
| markmc | well, yeah | 21:14 |
| ttx | but then who is lined up to make use of it ? Ceilometer maybe ? | 21:14 |
| markmc | the code in oslo is currently just infrastructure which isn't integrated with the main rpc code | 21:14 |
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| markmc | so, it doesn't risk anything by being there either | 21:15 |
| markmc | e.g. it doesn't have to be copied into projects | 21:15 |
| ttx | Personally I'm a bit worried to ship late code with such security implications as a KDS | 21:15 |
| ttx | (with my VMT hat on) | 21:15 |
| jd__ | (Ceilometer would like to use it indeed) | 21:15 |
| markmc | I'd expect nova would use it if it landed in oslo-incubator and keystone | 21:15 |
| markmc | yeah, it's definitely very late at this stage | 21:16 |
| markmc | can't speak to what keystone folks feel about it at this stage | 21:16 |
| ttx | dolphm: ? | 21:16 |
| dolphm | ttx: assuming the implementation lands in time, it would be disabled out of the box in keystone | 21:16 |
| ttx | dolphm: that doesn't prevent us from having to security-support it | 21:17 |
| dolphm | ttx: now that the api review is up, there's a bunch of eyes suddenly on it | 21:17 |
| dolphm | ttx: agree | 21:17 |
| ttx | That's the sort of thing I'd definitely prefer to postpone... | 21:17 |
| ttx | jd__: how badly do you need it ? | 21:17 |
| jd__ | ttx: we already have our own signing mechanism, so we don't need it for say | 21:18 |
| jd__ | we'd just prefer to drop our own mechanism to use the common one. | 21:18 |
| ttx | we've been bitten in the past with late security-sensitive stuff | 21:18 |
| dolphm | and there's https://github.com/stackforge/barbican | 21:19 |
| ttx | dolphm: could you reach the various stakeholders and see how much they would like to be postponed to icehouse on this ? I'd welcome more baking time and discussion around this | 21:19 |
| dolphm | ttx: sure | 21:19 |
| ttx | markmc: anything you wanted to raise about oslo? | 21:19 |
| markmc | dolphm, ttx, let's have a discussion on the mailing list about it | 21:19 |
| ttx | markmc: +1 | 21:20 |
| markmc | dolphm, ttx, there hasn't been a discussion about it there for some months | 21:20 |
| dolphm | ++ | 21:20 |
| ttx | I'll let you guys start it and chime in | 21:20 |
| markmc | apart from that, I'm mostly heads-down on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/oslo-messaging | 21:20 |
| ttx | ack | 21:20 |
| markmc | i.e. porting nova to oslo.messaging | 21:20 |
| ttx | right | 21:20 |
| markmc | released oslo.messaging-1.2.0a3 today, consider it pretty much feature complete | 21:20 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:21 |
| markmc | I figure if the nova port isn't looking in reasonable shape by next week, punt to icehouse | 21:21 |
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| markmc | #info oslo meeting this friday https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 21:21 |
| ttx | markmc: yes, that's another thing that's risky to touch at the end of a cycle | 21:21 |
| markmc | ttx, what is? | 21:21 |
| markmc | nova? :) | 21:21 |
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| ttx | messaging in nova :) | 21:21 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:22 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:22 |
| ttx | 0% done, 44% under review, 55% in progress, 0% not started | 21:22 |
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| ttx | More code needs to be proposed now! | 21:23 |
| dolphm | agree! | 21:23 |
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| ttx | dolphm: should unified-logging-in-keystone could be considered 'Implemented' now that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39934/ is merged | 21:23 |
| dolphm | several of those are pending a second +2 | 21:23 |
| dolphm | ttx: no, that's just a sync; there's another patch in review to consume logging from oslo | 21:24 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok | 21:24 |
| ttx | then yes. Propose and land :) | 21:24 |
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| ttx | dolphm: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:24 |
| dolphm | ttx: yes... i did defer a bp today | 21:24 |
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| dolphm | there were two different quota storage efforts started during havana | 21:25 |
| dolphm | this one has gained the most traction https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/store-quota-data | 21:25 |
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| dolphm | at this point, the second is simply a new use case on top of the above bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/domain-quota-management-and-enforcement | 21:25 |
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| ttx | ok | 21:26 |
| ttx | the other key question is around the maturity of the KDS security-wise and the potential benefit of more baking / discussoin, see previous topic | 21:26 |
| ttx | we'll discuss that on the ml | 21:26 |
| dolphm | ++ | 21:26 |
| ttx | dolphm: anything else ? | 21:26 |
| dolphm | that is all | 21:26 |
| dolphm | hopefully next week we'll have > 0% done :) | 21:26 |
| ttx | Questions anyone ? | 21:26 |
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| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:27 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:27 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:27 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:27 |
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| jd__ | :-) | 21:27 |
| ttx | 15% done, 7% under review, 69% in progress, 7% not started | 21:28 |
| ttx | OK.. unless you have an ace up your sleeve... | 21:28 |
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| ttx | ...I think it's time to make some dramatic changes because this is going into the wall by chasing too many things at the same time | 21:28 |
| ttx | I'd suggest moving more things to Low priority (or to the 'next' milestone) | 21:28 |
| ttx | In particular stuff not started yet like nova-cell-support | 21:28 |
| ttx | jd__: or maybe you have better suggestions ? or a surprise for us :) | 21:29 |
| jd__ | agreed | 21:29 |
| ttx | Tip: you should never bet on the gate being extremely fluid around FeatureFreeze. | 21:29 |
| ttx | Land early what you can :) | 21:29 |
| jd__ | same thing for the RPC signing, I think we know it'll be for 'next' | 21:29 |
| ttx | #action jd__ to use the chainsaw on the h3 roadmap and cut it | 21:29 |
| jd__ | :-) | 21:30 |
| ttx | jd__: when is the ceilometer meeting ? | 21:30 |
| jd__ | ttx: tomorrow 2100 UTC | 21:30 |
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| ttx | will see if I can make it to push | 21:30 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:31 |
| jd__ | nop | 21:31 |
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| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:31 |
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| ttx | notmyname: around ? | 21:31 |
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| ttx | I have a canned update | 21:32 |
| ttx | <notmyname> ttx: although I'll try, if I'm not in the meeting tomorrow, that's the status update: 1.9.1 release | 21:32 |
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| ttx | So 1.9.1 was released earlier today | 21:32 |
| ttx | mostly a security update | 21:32 |
| ttx | Next release is likely to be synced with the coordinated havana release | 21:32 |
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| ttx | Questions about Swift that I may not be able to answer ? | 21:32 |
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| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:33 |
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| markwash | me me me! | 21:33 |
| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:33 |
| ttx | 40% done, 20% under review, 40% in progress, 0% not started | 21:33 |
| ttx | recent progress I see | 21:34 |
| markwash | some, and some bumping | 21:34 |
| markwash | one is about to go from review to done | 21:34 |
| ttx | Still no code proposed for api-v2-property-protection ? | 21:34 |
| markwash | not on gerrit, but I have seen some on github | 21:35 |
| markwash | progress is being made | 21:35 |
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| ttx | and you don't have a FPF s oyou might jus tmake it | 21:35 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:36 |
| markwash | well. . not having an advertised feature freeze doesn't mean new proposals for h3 won't be outright rejected | 21:36 |
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| markwash | and a new glance client went out! | 21:36 |
| markwash | but probably another will come soon, now with PBR | 21:36 |
| ttx | sure, but you can have late code proposed on that feature without appearing to play favorites :) | 21:36 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:36 |
| markwash | right | 21:36 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:37 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:38 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:38 |
| ttx | A few questions while I update the status... | 21:38 |
| ttx | What's the status of configurable-ip-allocation ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | 39% done, 46% under review, 14% in progress, 0% not started | 21:39 |
| ttx | The train is still on the rails! | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | the code be in gerrit tomorrow | 21:39 |
| ttx | What about hyper-v-wmi-v2 ? | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | I spoken with alessandro and expected by now, I'll ping him again | 21:39 |
| ttx | and.. how is ipv6-feature-parity doing ? | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | it's the one I'm worried the most about | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | we've got 10 days right :) | 21:40 |
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| ttx | 10 days to propose code, by your own terms | 21:41 |
| ttx | then another 10 days to merge it | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | it's the 2nd 10 day period I expect to be tougher part | 21:41 |
| ttx | well, if that's the only FAIL in that list I'll call it a miracle nevertheless | 21:42 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | nothing new from me | 21:42 |
| ttx | Questions on Neutron ? | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:42 |
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| russellb | o/ | 21:42 |
| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:42 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:42 |
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| ttx | 21% done, 47% under review, 31% in progress, 0% not started | 21:43 |
| russellb | been updating, so refresh | 21:43 |
| ttx | Not too bad! | 21:43 |
| ttx | refreshed 20 seconds ago | 21:43 |
| russellb | l | 21:43 |
| russellb | err, k | 21:43 |
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| russellb | yeah, been trying to aggressively update things (move to next, or change priority to Low) | 21:43 |
| russellb | will keep pushing on it | 21:43 |
| russellb | need to start landing more of this stuff under review ... | 21:43 |
| ttx | you pushed some of cyeoh gazillion blueprints to low/next ? | 21:44 |
| russellb | yes, mostly to next | 21:44 |
| ttx | ok | 21:44 |
| russellb | thing is ... we decided we're not going to finish the v3 API in havana | 21:44 |
| russellb | and all of those covered aspects of that, so doesn't matter if they finish in havana or not at this point | 21:44 |
| russellb | IMO | 21:44 |
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| ttx | Wondering if glusterfs-native-support is actually not 'Implemented' yet (with merging of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39498/) | 21:45 |
| russellb | oh nice, that went in today | 21:45 |
| russellb | yep implemented | 21:45 |
| * russellb updates | 21:45 | |
| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:45 |
| russellb | don't think so ... i' think i got 7-10 new blueprints trying to be added to havana-3 in the last week | 21:46 |
| russellb | sheesh | 21:46 |
| russellb | having to start swinging the hammer around :) | 21:46 |
| russellb | anyway, that's it, thanks! | 21:46 |
| ttx | you can't wait until you have that FPF sign on the door :) | 21:46 |
| * hub_cap ducks | 21:46 | |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:46 |
| russellb | ttx: yes | 21:46 |
| * markwash quacks | 21:47 | |
| * russellb gooses | 21:47 | |
| * hub_cap mallards | 21:47 | |
| russellb | i think you can safely move on now, heh. | 21:47 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Heat status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:47 | |
| shardy | o/ | 21:47 |
| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:47 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:47 |
| ttx | 48% done, 14% under review, 37% in progress, 0% not started | 21:47 |
| ttx | Looks on track to me | 21:47 |
| shardy | Yep, quite a lot of stuff landing, bumped anything not started | 21:48 |
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| ttx | Is hot-parameters completed with the merging of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38921/ ? | 21:48 |
| ttx | oh https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41691/ | 21:48 |
| ttx | igore me | 21:49 |
| ttx | or ignore | 21:49 |
| shardy | Yeah, there were several parts to that one up for review IIRC | 21:49 |
| ttx | Anything more needed to be done with exception-formatting ? | 21:49 |
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| shardy | It looks complete, but I'll check at our meeting tomorrow to be certain | 21:50 |
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| ttx | How is heat-trusts doing this week ? | 21:51 |
| shardy | I'm working on it now, slow progress but I'm still hoping it will land in time | 21:51 |
| ttx | ok | 21:51 |
| ttx | What about native-nova-instance ? | 21:51 |
| shardy | Again, I know sdake is making progress on that so should land, but I'll ask for confirmation on that at tomorrows meeting | 21:52 |
| ttx | shardy: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:52 |
| shardy | Not atm, no, thanks | 21:52 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:52 |
| ttx | shardy: thx! | 21:52 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:52 | |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: around ? | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | yep yep | 21:53 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:53 |
| ttx | 33% done, 33% under review, 25% in progress, 8% not started | 21:53 |
| ttx | Not too bad | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | darn, if that 8% were in progress it would've been even thirds | 21:53 |
| ttx | network-quotas is marked 'not started' -- I think it would make a good target for a 'Low' priority at this point (or just deferred to 'next') | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | I reached out to the assignee for that one today, I will probably bump it to "next" as soon as I hear back. | 21:54 |
| ttx | ack | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | the other which may slip is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | there are a couple people working on competing implementations and I'm not sure they're gonna come together in time | 21:54 |
| ttx | You moved realtime-spec out ? | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | The notable thing I bumped out today was the realtime stuff | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | yes | 21:54 |
| ttx | haha | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | I would rather land it in I1 than H3 | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | it's gonna be one of those "lots of kinks to work out" features | 21:55 |
| ttx | soon we'll operate like a hive | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | haha | 21:55 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:55 |
| * gabrielhurley envisions ttx as the queen of the OpenStack hive | 21:55 | |
| gabrielhurley | uh, no | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | nothing else | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:55 |
| ttx | fat and lying at the bottom | 21:55 |
| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:55 |
| vasiliy | hi gabrielhurley. I have update about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume | 21:56 |
| ttx | vasiliy: tell us | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | vasiliy: awesome, the horizon meeting is in 5 minutes, tell me then | 21:56 |
| vasiliy | today was publishe first patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41728/ | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | or now, if ttx has time | 21:56 |
| vasiliy | It's in-progress now, but we've already started working on testing the patch and preparation of unit-tests. | 21:56 |
| ttx | I have one minute | 21:56 |
| vasiliy | The main goal of patch is to reflect new functionality "clone image" in Nova. | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | awesome | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 21:56 |
| ttx | vasiliy: thx | 21:57 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:57 |
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| ttx | devananda, hub_cap: howdy | 21:57 |
| vasiliy | ttx - you are welcome | 21:57 |
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| ttx | Any question ? | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | howdy howdy | 21:57 |
| ttx | Any update ? | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | chugging away at heat integration starting um, yesterday :) | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | ptl is short for code at night i think | 21:57 |
| vasiliy | gabrielhurley - the blueprint was assigned to Sam, but he hasn't spare time now - therefore we desided to help him - because worked on related blueprints on Nova | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | should be in by end of month tho | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | and then we talk incubation status :) | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | other than that things r goin well. | 21:58 |
| ttx | hub_cap: code at night, yes | 21:59 |
| ttx | Anything else to mention in the last minute, anyone ? | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 21:59 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 22:00:04 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-13-21.02.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-13-21.02.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-13-21.02.log.html | 22:00 |
| ttx | thx everyone! | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 22:00:44 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | hello hello! | 22:00 |
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| cody-somerville | \o_ | 22:01 |
| david-lyle | Hello | 22:01 |
| kspear | howdy | 22:01 |
| lcheng | hello! | 22:01 |
| vasiliy | hi everybody! | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | okee doke, let's do this | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | on the projet-wide level, we're a few weeks out from H3 | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | I've pared down the blueprint list a good deal the last two days | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | I reached out to several of the assignees of BPs that hadn't been updated for a while and had no code | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | they almost all responded to say they would like to defer | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | I also made one unilateral call about the realtime spec stuff | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | Given the scope of that change I think we'd be much wiser to land it in I1 instead of H3 | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | that gives us the entire I cycle to polish it and build on it | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | I still intend to spend some time with the patch prior to opening up I, but landing it now seems... inadvisable | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | I know that's a little disappointing | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | but it's the smart thing to do for the project | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | also, we can focus on getting ceilometer and keystone work really nailed down for this release. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | So, with that set of deferrals we're in good shape for H3 | 22:04 |
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| kspear | gabrielhurley: agree about the realtime stuff. it will give us a chance to actually implement useful bits on top too | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | :-) | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | On another general note, a very interesting discussion has started on the mailing list about the purpose and necessity of pagination | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't have the link handy, sorry | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | but I weighed in today, and I'm thinking that we could all move forward together to do away with pagination entirely. If that's not enough to get you interested, I don't know what is. ;-) | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I encourage participation in that discussion | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | let's move on to blueprint updates | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:06 |
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| timductive1 | o/ hi all | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll go quickly. I posted reviews for adding more Hypervisor stats: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41193/ and availability zone info: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41550/ to take care of two of the BPs assigned to me | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks for the feedback on those so far, fresh patchsets are up on both | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | with the deferrals those are now the only two assigned to me | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm going to spend the rest of my focus for the next few weeks on ceilometer | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | I wanna make sure we get that in and make it as good as possible. | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | who else has updates? | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | working away on rbac support, hopefully I will have code up for review later this week | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | primary focus is a keystone based policy file for this first pass | 22:08 |
| vasiliy | gabrielhurley: I have an update on blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/boot-from-volume-type-imageu | 22:08 |
| vasiliy | could you please review and write some comments for patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41728/ It's in-progress and was specially pubished today to ask your to add comments on it. We are working on testing the patch and preparation of unit-tests now. | 22:08 |
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| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: sounds good. will definitely review when you get that up. | 22:09 |
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| lcheng | I have the Project Role assignment to Group ready for review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/group-role-assignment, after that get merged I plan to continue with the Domain role assignment to Group: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/group-domain-role-assignment. | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | vasiliy: did you mean this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume ? | 22:10 |
| vasiliy | sorry - the correct blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume for our patch | 22:10 |
| vasiliy | gabrielhurley - yes | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: I started looking at that code, I still need to pull it down and run it. I can probably do so this week. | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | vasiliy: great. can I reassign that BP to you? what's your LP username? | 22:10 |
| lcheng | garbrielhurley: thanks! | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | anyone else have updates they'd like to give? | 22:11 |
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| lcheng | gabrielhurley: I registered a couple of swift related blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/swift-display-metadata | 22:13 |
| lcheng | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/swift-container-public-access | 22:13 |
| lcheng | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/swift-download-tempurl | 22:13 |
| vasiliy | gabrielhurley: please assign blueprint to author of patch - "vzhelezniakov" | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: I'm in favor for all of those in I | 22:13 |
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| gabrielhurley | vasiliy: you got it | 22:14 |
| vasiliy | gabrielhurley: ok - good - thanks | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:14 | |
| gabrielhurley | I swear I had something I was thinking about, and now I've forgotten what it was | 22:14 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: I might be able to have some bandwidth to work on it for H3, but if you prefer it for I, no problem. :-) | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | oh, one thing I've got | 22:15 |
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| gabrielhurley | the organizer for the OpenStack on Ales conference is interested in having someone from the Horizon team at the conference and asked me who he might contact since I can't make it: http://openstack.onales.com/ | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | if anyone's interested I can put you in touch | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | just ping me or email me | 22:16 |
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| david-lyle | just got an email regarding that, do you have any idea what the open space involves? | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | not really, sorry | 22:16 |
| david-lyle | no worries | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | It sounds like a fun conference though | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | a couple of other folks from nebula are planning to go | 22:17 |
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| david-lyle | regarding the network quotas question from the last meeting. I'm fairly sure that API is not implemented yet | 22:17 |
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| david-lyle | on the neutron side | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, like I said I'm pretty sure I'm gonna bump it in the next day or two, I just wanted to get confirmation ;-) | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't like arbitrarily bumping people's blueprints without giving them a chance for a last-minute miracle | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | but most likely it'll be in I somewhere | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | on a different note, I believe the voting for the new UX tool ended last week, but if the winner was announced I missed it. I don't see jcoufal here, anyone else know what happened that? | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | a/that/there | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | askbot | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | ah | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | he's out this week | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | great, well I'm excited to start using that. I actually got a useful answer out of the openstack askbot today about ATC status. good times. | 22:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | just for the record, I consider myself only nominally in charge of the design/UX community in openstack. I fully expect that community to develop on its own and for it to lead and guide itself. I will drive other projects (especially Horizon) to turn to that community, but if I seem aloof from these decisions, it's only 'cuz I don't feel they're mine to make any more than any other community member. | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | just nice to have a community to pose these questions to | 22:23 |
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| gabrielhurley | It's likely that the UX group will (at some point) grow into its own team or sub-team under one of the existing programs with its own leadership of some sort and its own deliverables. | 22:23 |
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| david-lyle | a better tool will improve the experience, but just identifying the community was a big first step | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | absolutely | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | +1000 | 22:24 |
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| david-lyle | when do the design session suggestions open up for the summit? | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | good question, and I don't have an answer for that | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | send a message to the ML, maybe? | 22:26 |
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| gabrielhurley | actually, ttx you still around? can you answer that? | 22:26 |
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| david-lyle | ok, didn't know if the allotment process of sessions was still in the works | 22:26 |
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| gabrielhurley | the allottment of which programs get how much time on what days is just now wrapped up. | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | I expect the proposal phase to open soon | 22:27 |
| david-lyle | ok, I'm not in a hurry, I'll look for the announcement | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | for sure. It'll be open for a couple weeks and I will definitely announce it when it happens. | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody else got things on their minds? | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | cool then | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | good meeting folks | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | have a great week! | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 22:31:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-13-22.00.html | 22:31 |
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| david-lyle | Thanks! | 22:31 |
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