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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 8 15:00:24 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:01 |
| herndon | o/ | 15:01 |
| danspraggins | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:01 |
| thomasm | o/ | 15:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| nealph | 0/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| dragondm | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | I realize I have forgotten to send the agenda to the list | 15:02 |
| jd__ | sorry about that | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-3 milestone | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana-3 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-3 | 15:03 |
| jd__ | so we are really getting late | 15:03 |
| eglynn | Alarm history API patches coming soon | 15:03 |
| jd__ | to the point that ttx will remove blueprints next Tuesday if we don't start merging things | 15:03 |
| eglynn | (making good progress on this) | 15:03 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:03 |
| jd__ | you know that guy is scary and not kidding, so we should hurry up | 15:04 |
| eglynn | yep, understood | 15:04 |
| gordc | jd__, removing 'not started' blueprints? | 15:04 |
| sandywalsh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/double-entry-accounting was moved to the stacktach-integration-pt2 BP, which is targeted for icehouse | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | gordc: yeah, and likely only high/medium things since we don't care about low ones | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | sandywalsh: ack | 15:05 |
| sandywalsh | I think I have all our other stuff moved | 15:05 |
| nealph | jd__: we have one that's been superseded, I think....perhaps others do too. Should everyone be cleaning house? | 15:05 |
| jd__ | nealph: which one? | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | always a good idea to clean anyway | 15:05 |
| sandywalsh | herndon, is going to do a double somersault from the high dive to get https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/extended-client-operations in H3 :) | 15:06 |
| terriyu | what happens if I don't get my blueprint done? (worried) | 15:06 |
| nealph | API extensions...I need to look at it a little closer before taking it off. perhaps it's just postpone to Icehouse (it's low anyways) | 15:06 |
| gordc | jd__, i think there's some overlap on this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/count-api-requests | 15:06 |
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| gordc | maybe you want to sync up on that. | 15:06 |
| * terriyu 's blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-group-by | 15:06 | |
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| jd__ | terriyu: well, that shouldn't happen because we need it so I'll step in I think on this one | 15:07 |
| jd__ | nealph: ack | 15:07 |
| jd__ | gordc: yes, there's overlap with what you're doing we shall discuss this at some point | 15:08 |
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| gordc | jd__, cool cool | 15:08 |
| jd__ | gordc: I have a plan, didn't have time to expose yet | 15:08 |
| llu-laptop | jd__, Toni said he didn't have much time to merge https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-physical-devices, and asked me to do it. | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: what will you do? | 15:09 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: I'll try to start merge it next week. | 15:09 |
| sandywalsh | my big concern is oslo-common reviews taking a really long time | 15:09 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: got stuck by other things in 2 weeks. :-( | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | sandywalsh: feel free to add me as reviewer on that, I do it once in a while but I can hurry on some | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: ack | 15:10 |
| sandywalsh | jd__, will do | 15:10 |
| nsaje | o/ (didn't notice meeting was on a different channel) | 15:10 |
| jd__ | anything else on that topic? | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release python-ceilometerclient? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:11 | |
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| jd__ | we need to release it after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40450/ lands to please mordred | 15:11 |
| mordred | yes! please! | 15:11 |
| mordred | it will make bunny rabbits smile | 15:12 |
| eglynn | also just proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40888 | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | mordred: btw did you notice my comment about the huge amount of Change-Id in that? | 15:12 |
| eglynn | (add support for new alarm repeat_actions attribute) | 15:12 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ah so cool | 15:12 |
| mordred | jd__: I will fix - (there was a bug in my script) | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | mordred: ack | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | but other than that, defo should release soon to pick up fix to the auth_token logic | 15:12 |
| jd__ | I seem to remember only me or eglynn can release | 15:13 |
| mordred | jd__: fixed and uploaded | 15:13 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, I think that's correct | 15:13 |
| gordc | eglynn, that auth_token fix is already merged? | 15:13 |
| jd__ | so I think I'll take the action for this time? | 15:13 |
| eglynn | gordc: yep https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ceilometerclient/+bug/1207441 | 15:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1207441 in python-ceilometerclient "keystoneclient.auth_token property is prematurely evaluated, misses refresh on token expiry" [High,Fix committed] | 15:14 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ Release python-ceilometerclient | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | gordc: sorry, wrong link ... https://review.openstack.org/39754 | 15:14 |
| gordc | eglynn, cool cool. just checking to see if i needed to review | 15:14 |
| eglynn | gordc: cool | 15:14 |
| jd__ | #topic Event API Blueprint Modification | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Event API Blueprint Modification (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:15 | |
| jd__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/specify-event-api | 15:15 |
| herndon | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/blueprints/Ceilometer-specify-event-api | 15:15 |
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| herndon | In a code review yesterday, jd_ suggested a modification to the event api. As this was reviewed by a number of people, I wanted to get some feedback. I think sandywalsh and dhellman were involved substantially? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | dhellmann_ is away today | 15:17 |
| dragondm | me as well | 15:17 |
| herndon | basically, should the traits api be moved under /event_types? | 15:17 |
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| sandywalsh | hmm | 15:18 |
| herndon | this call was confusing: /v2/events/(event_type)/traits/ - should we change it to /v2/event_types/(event_type)traits | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | if 'traits' is about listing the traits for an event type, yes | 15:18 |
| sandywalsh | yeah, I think that's a good suggestion | 15:18 |
| jd__ | unless I misunderstood the /traits meaning :) | 15:18 |
| sandywalsh | event_types is generic and /events is specific (like a class vs an instance) | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | yeah that makes sense to me | 15:19 |
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| herndon | allright. I think /v2/events/(event_type)/traits/(trait)/ makes sense still. agree? | 15:19 |
| jd__ | you could have /v2/events/(event_id)/traits/ too | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | herndon: no | 15:20 |
| jd__ | you can't have an event_type a key in /events/ | 15:20 |
| jd__ | you can't have an event_type as key in /events/ | 15:20 |
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| sandywalsh | I tend to lean towards /event_types/<event_name>/traits I think | 15:20 |
| jd__ | herndon: don't mix keys under a path | 15:20 |
| herndon | ok :) | 15:21 |
| herndon | I will update the BP and submitted a new patch with this change. | 15:21 |
| sandywalsh | jd__, so how would you suggest "give me all events of this type"? | 15:21 |
| sandywalsh | oh, I see your point | 15:21 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: /v2/events?filter= | 15:21 |
| sandywalsh | yes, absolutely | 15:21 |
| jd__ | the meter API is crap in this regard btw, I hope we'll fix this in v3 :( | 15:22 |
| jd__ | (and in a lot of other things anyway) | 15:22 |
| herndon | If we added /v2/events/(event_type), it could return all events of a type without having to use query filters. | 15:22 |
| herndon | then traits may make more sense as /v2/events/(event_type)/traits and /v2/events/(event_type)/traits/(trait_name) | 15:23 |
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| thomasm | herndon: Why do we not want to use query filters? | 15:23 |
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| jd__ | herndon: but if I have an event id of 'foobar' and a message type of 'foobar' you /events/foobar is going to fail; don't mix keys! | 15:23 |
| herndon | ok. so ignore my suggestion :p | 15:24 |
| sandywalsh | yeah, sorry herndon I should have picked up on that before. I think jd__'s suggestion makes sense. The filter approach is cleaner. | 15:24 |
| jd__ | and earlier discussion with sandywalsh seems to indicate having message_id as primary key is really good idea :) | 15:24 |
| jd__ | so everything's going to connect | 15:25 |
| herndon | okey dokey, I'm satisfied. | 15:25 |
| apmelton | is there a reason we can't use path params? | 15:25 |
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| apmelton | /v2/events/;event_type=x/traits? | 15:25 |
| jd__ | apmelton: doesn't make sense because things aren't hiearchical | 15:25 |
| sandywalsh | the path param should be related to the parent resource | 15:25 |
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| sandywalsh | so /events/<message_id> | 15:26 |
| sandywalsh | but other things should be filter params | 15:26 |
| jd__ | agreed | 15:26 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:27 |
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| sandywalsh | lovely day | 15:28 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:28 |
| gordc | sandywalsh, agreed :) | 15:28 |
| terriyu | it's finally not sweltering | 15:28 |
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| nsaje | 40 degrees C here :( | 15:28 |
| llu-laptop | me too :( | 15:29 |
| sandywalsh | ouch | 15:29 |
| * gordc wonders how long weather talk can continue for.lol | 15:29 | |
| jd__ | I just wish they didn't spread manure in the field near the garden | 15:29 |
| dragondm | high is 104F here. | 15:29 |
| eglynn | gordc: indefinitely if necessary ;) | 15:29 |
| thomasm | So, I was digging into the resource metadata bug. | 15:29 |
| jd__ | we still have this place for 31 minutes, enjoy | 15:29 |
| gordc | eglynn, we got 30mins. | 15:29 |
| thomasm | Why do we use the Meter table instead of the Resource table when querying for resources? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | thomasm: in which driver? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | well actually my question doesn't really matters | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | the resource table is pretty useless | 15:31 |
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| jd__ | when you want to know which resources where sampled during a certain time | 15:31 |
| jd__ | you HAVE to check the meter table | 15:31 |
| thomasm | Well I was looking in SQLAlchemy, but the resource table is just a rollup of the current resource state. | 15:31 |
| thomasm | YEah, that's what I figured | 15:31 |
| thomasm | anyway, the reason we're getting old metadata is because of the group_by | 15:31 |
| jd__ | it's a bad rollup | 15:31 |
| thomasm | in get_resources | 15:31 |
| jd__ | I'm pretty sure these tables should go away… I'm going in that direction in the MongoDB driver | 15:32 |
| epende_ | So any objection to adding resource_metadata to Meter? | 15:32 |
| thomasm | IT's already there | 15:32 |
| thomasm | Each meter has resource metadata associated | 15:32 |
| jd__ | thomasm: feel free to rewrite without using the resource table yeah | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | thomasm: I just have a patch that went in for that in MongoDB using aggregate() | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | s/in MongoDB/in our MongoDB driver/ | 15:33 |
| jd__ | same applies to user and projects, which are not even connected to the v2 api I *think* | 15:33 |
| epende_ | thomasm: Is the doc not up to date on Meter, because I don't see it there | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | epende_: we're talking about storage, not what the API exposes | 15:33 |
| epende_ | Ok to add an implementation to allow metadata to be exposed and used for filtering? | 15:34 |
| epende_ | on Meter | 15:34 |
| epende_ | along with an update to the API | 15:35 |
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| thomasm | jd__: I'm not as familiar with Mongo. What're you aggregating there? The group_by is used to return a list of resources, but when you want the latest on a single resource, you have to just query on that and get the last one - that's where the Resource table would come in handy, but yes we lose the timestamp functionality - which isn't really useful unless we're trying to get resource latest state within a specific time peri | 15:35 |
| thomasm | od; seems odd. | 15:35 |
| jd__ | we already have that, I don't think we're talking about the same thing epende_ | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | thomas: well aggregate in MongoDB is what you would call group by I guess in SQL :) | 15:36 |
| gordc | epende_, metadata is exposed through Sample | 15:36 |
| thomasm | jd__: ah, okay. The current SQLAlchemy driver uses the meter table, but that group_by screws it up when it's looking for the latest resource state. | 15:37 |
| jd__ | thomasm: I consider the general case as having a timestamp range, and that just is useless in the end | 15:37 |
| jd__ | s/that/the resource table/ | 15:37 |
| epende_ | gordc: Yes, but that requires getting sample(s) in order to select meters based on metadata | 15:37 |
| epende_ | possibly many samples | 15:37 |
| epende_ | It would be nice to have a way to get certain Meters without getting all the Samples | 15:38 |
| thomasm | jd__: Fair. The API spec shows that it returns last updated timestamp (I think) with the resource_id query. | 15:38 |
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| thomasm | jd__ I'll patch it up and see what we get :) | 15:38 |
| jd__ | thomasm: that's just went in a few hours ago | 15:38 |
| epende_ | Getting a sample requires the client to know what the meter id is | 15:38 |
| epende_ | Which means the client must have foreknowledge of the meter id list | 15:38 |
| epende_ | Which prevents an ignorant client from traversing the API | 15:39 |
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| thomasm | jd__: What went in a few hours ago? | 15:39 |
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| gordc | epende_, i believe it's because metadata isn't necessarily the same everytime a meter is captured... the same reason meter dpesm | 15:39 |
| jd__ | thomasm: the change that returns first and last timestamp of a resource | 15:39 |
| thomasm | jd__: Ohhhhh | 15:39 |
| thomasm | jd__: I'll have to pull | 15:39 |
| gordc | s/meter dpesm/meter doesn't have a volume/ | 15:39 |
| thomasm | Thanks | 15:40 |
| jd__ | thomasm: sure thing! :-) | 15:40 |
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| epende_ | gordc, does it have to be the same each time? | 15:40 |
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| gordc | epende_, the way i see it, Meters are just a roundup/overview of Samples. | 15:41 |
| epende_ | A similar discussion was had here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1194593 | 15:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1194593 in ceilometer "Meter object in reporting API does not allow resource_metadata attribute" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:41 |
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| gordc | epende_, whoa, a lot of discussion there. i'll need to read up on that. ignore my comments :) | 15:42 |
| epende_ | NP, should have thrown that out there first :) | 15:42 |
| epende_ | Thanks for the feedback | 15:42 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 8 15:43:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-08-08-15.00.html | 15:43 |
| jd__ | thanks guys | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-08-08-15.00.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-08-08-15.00.log.html | 15:43 |
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| thomasm | Take it easy everyone! | 15:44 |
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| dragondm | rats | 15:44 |
| thomasm | Hmm? | 15:44 |
| dragondm | that ended unexpectedly | 15:44 |
| thomasm | Haha, yeah | 15:45 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 8 17:00:52 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| sdague | ok, who's around for the QA meeting? | 17:01 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | Hi! | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | I am here | 17:01 |
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| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_8_2013 | 17:01 |
| sdague | ok, agenda for today | 17:01 |
| giulivo | hi | 17:01 |
| sdague | first up... | 17:01 |
| dkranz | here | 17:01 |
| sdague | #topic Volunteers to run meeting while sdague out (sdague) | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volunteers to run meeting while sdague out (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:02 | |
| dkranz | sdague: When? | 17:02 |
| sdague | ok, I'm going to miss the next 3 meetings due to vacation | 17:02 |
| sdague | so basically for the rest of august | 17:02 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'm out next week. | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I can take care of that I guess | 17:02 |
| sdague | do we have volunteers for the various weeks? | 17:02 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, you volunteer for running the next 3 weeks? | 17:02 |
| dkranz | sdague: I can do week after next | 17:03 |
| sdague | or you and dkranz want to take turns? | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | sdague: whatever | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Can you do next week? | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I'll be here | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I know I can do the third week. | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Not sure about the second. | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I can just handle all 3 weeks its not a problem for me | 17:04 |
| sdague | ok | 17:04 |
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| sdague | #info mtreinish to run the QA meeting for the rest of August | 17:04 |
| sdague | ok, I think that's easiest, one person to drive through the whole time | 17:04 |
| mkoderer | I think so too ;) | 17:04 |
| sdague | #topic Blueprints (sdague) | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:05 | |
| sdague | ok, lets hit the big ones first, then ask for other updates | 17:05 |
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| sdague | #topic testr progress (mtreinish) | 17:05 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: you first | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | ok, so I'm still moving along with fixing races | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | last friday a nova change got merged to completely destroyed az and aggregates | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | (when running in parallel) | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | I've got a fix to nova for that and added extra locking to get around it | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | other than that the only blocking race is the security group one in scenarios | 17:06 |
| sdague | cool, hows the state of the nova patch? | 17:06 |
| sdague | it will be very interesting to see what's hiding behind these races | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: it's got a -1 from cyeoh about v3 tests but I don't think there is any need for them | 17:07 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: which scenario ? | 17:07 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: you have the review? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: all of them there is an inherent race between the scenario tests and security groups | 17:07 |
| afazekas | Is the security group deletions happens after the server reported as deleted ? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | they all try to add the same rules the same default sec group | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | tenant isolation will fix it | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | I've just got to work through it | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40424/ | 17:08 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Are we running each test in parallel, or each class? | 17:08 |
| afazekas | Do we have reason not to use a new security group in the scenario test ? | 17:08 |
| sdague | dkranz: this is class level parallel | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | it's each class (which for scenario is each test) | 17:08 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: OK, good. | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that's essentially what I'm doing by adding tenant isolation to the scenario tests | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | each tenant has it's own default sec group | 17:09 |
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| afazekas | yes | 17:09 |
| sdague | cool, good stuff. | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | it's a good thing to add to the scenario tests to prevent this kind of contention on any tenant level resources | 17:09 |
| sdague | agreed | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | also back to overall testr status I've got a patch up to move to serial testr | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | this will help people get used to the new ui before we make the switch to parallel | 17:10 |
| sdague | mtreinish: great! link for that review? | 17:11 |
| afazekas | I would prefer an isolation per worker process solution in the future | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40723/ | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | but I need to respin it adalbas found a small issue with it | 17:11 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: yep see that, cool | 17:12 |
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| sdague | that will be nice | 17:12 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: Looks like saving the logs is not solved yet | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: it is, I'm going to add the debug flag to devstack | 17:12 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: ok | 17:13 |
| sdague | ok, anything else on the testr front? | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I don't think so | 17:13 |
| sdague | #topic stress tests (mkoderer) | 17:14 |
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| mkoderer | ok | 17:14 |
| sdague | mkoderer: how goes stress tests? | 17:14 |
| mkoderer | it uses the common logger now ;) | 17:14 |
| sdague | nice :) | 17:14 |
| mkoderer | we had general discussions about the purpose in some reviews | 17:14 |
| mkoderer | I think we should discuss about them | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | so about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38980/ | 17:15 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40566/ this should be approved for the logger :) | 17:15 |
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| mkoderer | afazekas: thanks ;) | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | so about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38980/ ... IMHO every test could be a stress test | 17:16 |
| mkoderer | I would like to be able to run several api test a stress test | 17:16 |
| mkoderer | and scenario test as well | 17:16 |
| mkoderer | I already started a discussion on that in the mailing list | 17:17 |
| sdague | mkoderer: ok, that sounds interesting | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | giulivo: are you there? | 17:17 |
| sdague | what are the concerns on it? | 17:17 |
| giulivo | mkoderer, I'm all, +1 on all you said from me | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | so I mean we could complely remove all test in tempest/stress | 17:18 |
| dkranz | giulivo: It's got your -1 at present | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | and use the existing ones | 17:18 |
| sdague | mkoderer: oh, and just use the existing tests. And stress would just be a framework? | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | so we would stop duplicate code | 17:18 |
| sdague | I like that idea | 17:19 |
| giulivo | I think the only issue was about a particular submission https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39752 where we were trying to find out how to organize the tests proposed | 17:19 |
| mkoderer | sdague: that would be my finial idea | 17:19 |
| giulivo | dkranz, I know but that is only because of minor suggestions with the code not the actual feature | 17:19 |
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| mkoderer | and maybe we could add a decorator to specify which test can be used as "stresstest" | 17:19 |
| mkoderer | I think not all test are useful for stress test | 17:20 |
| sdague | giulivo: ok, so it's just a details thing? I think we can work it through in the normal review process then. | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | and maybe some of them don't work | 17:20 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: right, it also seems like you'd want to know if some tests allocate a lot of resources, so could only be run a few N way, and not 100x at a time | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | yes if we all agree that this is the way to go.. let's use the reviews to finalise it | 17:21 |
| giulivo | sdague, definitely we can, the discussion was about the scope of the tests, the link to the review was more an example of the potential problems facing now | 17:21 |
| afazekas | mkoderer: in the existing stress framework we can make tests more parametric https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40680/4/tempest/stress/etc/ssh_floating.json | 17:21 |
| sdague | I think that's good. I imagine that we'll probably have plenty of work to do post havana for this, but I think having a summit session on it would be very cool | 17:21 |
| sdague | and I like the idea of using the existing tests in another way, so we aren't duplicating our work | 17:21 |
| dkranz | I'm fine with this but we should still allow there being a stress case that does not go in api or scenario. | 17:22 |
| dkranz | So if current stress tests in the stress dir are redundant we can remove them | 17:22 |
| sdague | dkranz: well is there a stress case that you don't think would fit into either one? | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: yes ok thats right | 17:22 |
| afazekas | mkoderer: for example we can add random wait times for certain tasks | 17:22 |
| dkranz | sdague: Not off the top of my head. | 17:22 |
| sdague | it seems like we backed up a little because we want to make sure things get run in the normal gate to make sure they work, so if they are scenario tests, we can do that | 17:23 |
| sdague | then in stress we can run those scenarios N-way over and over again | 17:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: I just don't like saying that if you add a stress test it must fit into the other infrastructure. | 17:23 |
| sdague | dkranz: I sort of do, otherwise we have to figure out how to not bit rot them in a different way :) | 17:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: Well, I guess we can cross that bridge when we come to it. | 17:24 |
| sdague | but regardless, we can decide that later | 17:24 |
| sdague | agreed | 17:24 |
| mkoderer | ok great | 17:24 |
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| sdague | this, however, I think is a very fruitful direction, which I like | 17:24 |
| mkoderer | so we have something to do ;) | 17:24 |
| sdague | nice job mkoderer | 17:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: agreed | 17:24 |
| mkoderer | sdague: thanks | 17:24 |
| sdague | cool, ok other blueprints we should talk about? | 17:25 |
| sdague | those two have been the top recurring ones | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | sdague: quantum, but don't know what there is to say. | 17:25 |
| sdague | #topic quantum in gate | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | sdague: It is really odd that no one is fixing this. | 17:25 |
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| sdague | well, it's worth an update | 17:25 |
| giulivo | so the way I'm reading it it means we would not accept submissions like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39752/ | 17:25 |
| sdague | so smoke tests are back on | 17:25 |
| * giulivo was typing too slow, sorry | 17:26 | |
| dkranz | giulivo: I think that's right. | 17:26 |
| sdague | giulivo: right, not for now, as we want to go down mkoderer's path | 17:26 |
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| sdague | #topic neutron in gate | 17:26 |
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| sdague | I have to get used to using the new name | 17:26 |
| sdague | so neutron smoke gate is back on | 17:26 |
| afazekas | :) | 17:26 |
| sdague | though there are still some races | 17:26 |
| sdague | I haven't looked at full runs recently | 17:27 |
| sdague | anyone working on neutron full gate runs around? | 17:27 |
| afazekas | IMHO there are some not yet implemented not too core feature on the full neutron gate | 17:27 |
| sdague | I know I've put my foot down on the devstack side that neutron isn't going to be default there until it makes the whole gate | 17:28 |
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| dkranz | sdague: But is any one actually working on it? | 17:28 |
| sdague | afazekas: if we end up with a handful of tests that aren't applicable, I'm ok in skipping those | 17:28 |
| afazekas | We should skip them until implemented, and try to get the full neutron gate job as a job what can say success | 17:28 |
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| sdague | but I'd like to see someone working on it | 17:28 |
| sdague | it's the same approach on the cells side, if we can narrow it down to a few skips based on high priority nova bugs, we can do that. | 17:29 |
| sdague | but we'll leave the project teams to owning getting us there | 17:29 |
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| sdague | ok, anything other blueprints? | 17:30 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Just heat, but that is its own agenda topic. | 17:30 |
| sdague | sure | 17:30 |
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| sdague | #topic high priority reviews | 17:30 |
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| sdague | ok, who's got reviews that need extra attention? | 17:30 |
| afazekas | sdague: I will reread the etherpad related to the neutron blueprint | 17:30 |
| sdague | afazekas: great, thanks | 17:31 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35165/ looks like here I got the opposite comment then I get the beginning | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: Not sure any are special, just a lot not yet approved. | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I will get to some today. | 17:32 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh, that happens. But I think we're keeping up not too bad | 17:32 |
| sdague | yes, I will as well | 17:32 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39346/ is still belongs to the leaking stuff | 17:32 |
| sdague | afazekas: great, that one I wanted to come back to again today | 17:33 |
| sdague | that's an important one to get right and get in | 17:33 |
| sdague | I'll review again today | 17:33 |
| sdague | other reviews? | 17:33 |
| dkranz | afazekas: I made a comment that one of sdague's comments was not addressed. | 17:33 |
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| dkranz | sdague: BTW, are we saying that tearDownClass must never throw and always call super? | 17:34 |
| afazekas | dkranz: he noted a sub function | 17:34 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes, I think that's what we need | 17:34 |
| sdague | otherwise we won't get to the end of the inheritance chain | 17:35 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure, but I think we are way short of that currently. | 17:35 |
| sdague | dkranz: agreed | 17:35 |
| mkoderer | I never found a try block insinde of a tearDown | 17:35 |
| sdague | this is going to go in phases | 17:35 |
| dkranz | sdague: And there is the question of whether that applies to "expected" exceptions or if all need blanket try | 17:35 |
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| sdague | dkranz: yes, we're going to need to tackle these one by one | 17:36 |
| sdague | I guess the question is should we fix tearDown's with a blanket decorator? | 17:36 |
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| sdague | we could probably do that pretty generically | 17:36 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, if we are going to be hard core about this requirement | 17:36 |
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| sdague | and it would be easier to catch people's mistakes | 17:36 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:37 |
| dkranz | And easier to not make them in the first place | 17:37 |
| sdague | yep | 17:37 |
| sdague | we could probably get away with 2, one for teardown, one for teardownclass | 17:37 |
| dkranz | Sound's reasonable. | 17:38 |
| sdague | afazekas: you want to tackle that as part of this? | 17:38 |
| dkranz | sdague: There is also setup | 17:38 |
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| afazekas | sdague: at can added after that | 17:38 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok | 17:38 |
| dkranz | which should call super and call teardown if failing | 17:38 |
| sdague | dkranz: I'm less concerned with setup right now | 17:39 |
| dkranz | That's another thing we do only sporadically | 17:39 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK | 17:39 |
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| sdague | teardown is the big racey bit right now | 17:39 |
| dkranz | decorator makes things more tractable. | 17:39 |
| sdague | yep | 17:39 |
| sdague | ok, other reviews to talk about? | 17:40 |
| sdague | #topic Status of slow heat tests (dkranz) | 17:40 |
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| sdague | ok, it's your show dkranz | 17:40 |
| dkranz | So I've been working with sbaker on this | 17:40 |
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| dkranz | I pushed a new heat-slow tox job today | 17:41 |
| dkranz | I just need a new yaml job and a change to devstack-gate to set a new env variable used by the slow tests. | 17:41 |
| sdague | cool | 17:41 |
| dkranz | The only question I had was if we should run the new job serial or parallel? | 17:41 |
| sdague | I'm assuming the heat job will need to go on all the projects, as it drives them all | 17:41 |
| dkranz | I submitted it as serial | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Yes, but I was going to start it as non-voting on tempest | 17:42 |
| sdague | dkranz: does it run in parallel? | 17:42 |
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| sdague | dkranz: at first I would at least add it non-voting on heat and tempest | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: Not with my pending patch (please review :) | 17:42 |
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| sdague | dkranz: ok :) | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: Did you see my last two comments ? :) | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: how many test classes are there with the slow tag? | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There are just two tests now. | 17:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Steve is waiting on some image build stuff for the rest. | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | ok then probably not much benefit to running in parallel... | 17:43 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, I'd like to also run it non-voting on heat, so as they make changes it will trigger there | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | but it'd be nice to try it | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Sure | 17:43 |
| sdague | but other than that, seems cool | 17:43 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's it. | 17:44 |
| sdague | great | 17:44 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:44 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 17:44 |
| sdague | any other topics? | 17:44 |
| mkoderer | any news regarding the core reviewers topic? ;) | 17:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: Did you ever put out the call for reviewers? | 17:44 |
| sdague | dkranz: I didn't, my bad. I'll do that today | 17:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: np | 17:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: Also contributors :) | 17:45 |
| sdague | I think we'll look at core reviewer nominations at H3, that gives us the rest of the month | 17:45 |
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| sdague | and will give us potentially additional people during the rc phase to help review tests | 17:45 |
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| sdague | as tempest work kind of peaks post H3 | 17:46 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sound's good. | 17:46 |
| sdague | I'm still running after these global requirements issues in the gate | 17:46 |
| mkoderer | sry.. what is H3? | 17:46 |
| sdague | which we have mostly nailed in devstack/tempest | 17:46 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: havana 3 | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: havanna-3 milestone | 17:47 |
| sdague | Havana-3 milestone | 17:47 |
| sdague | which is first week of Sept | 17:47 |
| mkoderer | ahh sorry ;) | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | looks like I still can't spell :) | 17:47 |
| sdague | no worries :) | 17:47 |
| sdague | mtreinish: that's not new :) | 17:47 |
| sdague | we have a new way we can break the gate though, with clients releasing and breaking other people's unit tests | 17:48 |
| sdague | which... was fun yesterdya | 17:48 |
| sdague | mordred and I are trying to come up with solutions | 17:48 |
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| sdague | ok, anything else from folks? | 17:48 |
| mordred | trying trying | 17:48 |
| anteaya | not sure if it is my turn, I just want to let you know that I would like to attend a -qa bootcamp | 17:48 |
| dkranz | sdague: There is a blueprint for better testing of python clients | 17:49 |
| anteaya | so for me to attend one, there needs to be one | 17:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: But no progress yet. | 17:49 |
| anteaya | so I'd like there to be a -qa bootcamp, please | 17:49 |
| afazekas | devstack still not OK on fedora :( | 17:49 |
| sdague | anteaya: yeh, I suspect that probably won't happen before Icehouse summit | 17:49 |
| sdague | but something we can figure out if makes sense after | 17:49 |
| anteaya | sdague: yeah, I agree | 17:49 |
| anteaya | after works for me | 17:50 |
| sdague | it's a lot to organize though | 17:50 |
| anteaya | thank you | 17:50 |
| anteaya | it is | 17:50 |
| anteaya | let me know if I can do anything to help | 17:50 |
| sdague | afazekas: yeh, did you look at dtroyer's patch? | 17:50 |
| sdague | I think that got russellb fixed yesterday | 17:50 |
| anteaya | if you want to have it in Canada, icehouse in February, just let me know | 17:50 |
| sdague | there is still the requirements issue | 17:50 |
| sdague | afazekas: will try to get that sorted today | 17:50 |
| sdague | I know that's biting fedora folks a lot | 17:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: Bit me :) | 17:51 |
| giulivo | dkranz, that blueprint about the python clients, how about after we have some more scenario tests we try to use the scenario tests with different versions of the client libraries? | 17:51 |
| afazekas | sdague: I will try that | 17:51 |
| afazekas | sdague: thx | 17:51 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Yes, that was the idea. | 17:51 |
| sdague | afazekas / dkranz: from the red hat side, any volunteers to figure out how to get f19 in the gate so we don't break ourselves like this in the future? | 17:51 |
| russellb | yeah i got it working ... i had to change one thing, but i think it's either a fedora issue or rackspace fedora mirror issue | 17:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: We're working on that. | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: cool | 17:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: Is there any doc about exactly what needs to be done? | 17:52 |
| russellb | commented out the python-libguestfs requirement, because it was pulling in qemu, which was pulling in qemu-system-*, and some weren't available | 17:52 |
| russellb | and they're not all needed, so i just didn't install libguestfs for now | 17:52 |
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| russellb | other than that one line, devstack works for me right now on f19 fwiw | 17:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: It's been waiting on fedora/devstack working. | 17:52 |
| sdague | russellb: ok, cool. any chance in laying a patch on top of dtroyer's fixes? | 17:53 |
| dkranz | russellb: Great. | 17:53 |
| russellb | not sure it's a devstack fix for what i saw, so no patches coming | 17:53 |
| sdague | ok | 17:53 |
| sdague | no worries | 17:53 |
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| sdague | dkranz: on what's needed, run at mordred :) | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK | 17:54 |
| mordred | arro? | 17:54 |
| sdague | and the rest of -infra, they can tell you. I think the lack of public glance api was still an issue | 17:54 |
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| dkranz | mordred: We wil do the work to get a fedora/devstack gating job. | 17:54 |
| mordred | ah - great. | 17:54 |
| sdague | mordred: on how we test fedora in the gate with devstack, so we don't break those guys all the time | 17:54 |
| dkranz | mordred: But not sure exactly what needs to be done. | 17:54 |
| mordred | dkranz: cool. find us in infra and let's chat about it | 17:55 |
| sdague | but we can take that offline from here | 17:55 |
| dkranz | mordred: Will do. | 17:55 |
| sdague | I've got a hard stop at the top of the hour | 17:55 |
| afazekas | sdague: IMHO there will be a volunteer soon, just it is summer and vacations .. | 17:55 |
| sdague | afazekas: totally understood | 17:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: It is high priority | 17:55 |
| sdague | I just look forward to the day where we've got fedora in the gate, I think it will be good for the project | 17:55 |
| sdague | ok, anything else from folks? | 17:56 |
| afazekas | Yes | 17:56 |
| afazekas | I mean it would be good for the project :) | 17:56 |
| sdague | :) | 17:56 |
| sdague | ok, lets call it | 17:56 |
| * afazekas end | 17:56 | |
| sdague | thanks everyone for coming, see you on other irc channels | 17:56 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 8 17:56:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-08-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-08-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-08-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 8 18:00:18 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | hi security group | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | who's here today? | 18:00 |
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| joelcoffman | hey | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | so I have a bit to discuss today | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | hopefully others join in :-) | 18:03 |
| rlp | Afternoon Everyone | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | let's start by syncing on action items from previous meetings | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | #topic Action Items | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | joelcoffman I believe that you were talking about doing a conference session on key management and volume encryption | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | did that come together? | 18:03 |
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| joelcoffman | yes, Jarret Raim submitted the user session (Barbican + volume encryption) | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | ah cool | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | so let's keep an eye for that during the voting phase :-) | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | oh… and of course my talk too on securing compute nodes :-) | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | a few other actions items | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | thomasbiege is working on how to integrate automated security testing | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | I believe he's out today | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | but I can add that Xiao Xin Liu from IBM has expressed interest in helping with that effort | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | so that's great | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | nicolae__ was going to work on the wiki pages | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | I'll talk a little more about that later | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | any other action items to report on? | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSG Slide Deck | 18:07 |
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| joelcoffman | none from me | 18:07 |
| elo | Hi. Eric here. | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | ok, so there has been some discussion on the mailing list about putting together some slides | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | hi eric | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | seems like a worthwhile effort | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | did you guys track that discussion? | 18:08 |
| joelcoffman | partially, but not in great detail | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | I was just checking it again | 18:09 |
| elo | same here… | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | discussion has died down a bit, but this seems like a worthwhile activity | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne will rev that discussion up again and see if someone can take ownership of making that happen | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSG Logo | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | I think it would be handy to have an OSSG logo | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | we have approval from the OS people to use the basic OS logo and do something security oriented with it… but before we actually use it we need to circle back and get specific approval on the use case and final logo design | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | tldr; I'm looking for someone that could help with the graphics work | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | anyone handy there? or perhaps have someone at your company that could help? | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | this should be easy… just not my domain | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | ok, I think it was quiet on this last week too | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | I'll see if I can pull some strings at my end | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to strong arm someone to working on OSSG logo | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | #topic Wiki Page for OSSG Newbies | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | We've talks at various levels in the past about helping people get integrated into OSSG | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I'm finally ready to make this happen | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I'll be putting together a wiki page this week to help with all of this | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I would love help | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | perhaps someone to bounce ideas off of, help fill in content, etc | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | any volunteers? | 18:13 |
| joelcoffman | I'm happy to review and provide feedback when possible, but I don't have a lot of spare cycles right now | 18:14 |
| rlp | Same here | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ok, thanks guys | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | I'll take the lead and use you for ideas / review | 18:14 |
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| rlp | k | 18:14 |
| elo | Same here… my cycles are a little tight for the next few week due to VMworld | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to put together newbie wiki page with review / help from joelcoffman rlp elo | 18:15 |
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| malini1 | hello! sorry late | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | VMworld? what's that? ;-) | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | hi malini1 | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSN work | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN work (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:16 | |
| bdpayne | Rob created several new OSSNs this week | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | they still need some eyes / editing | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | if you follow that link | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | click on bugs | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | and then loop at the in progress bugs | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | the please provide some comments / feedback on the wording there | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | is everyone seeing the emails about these when they are created? | 18:17 |
| rlp | #agreed | 18:17 |
| malini1 | ok | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | #action everyone to help review new OSSNs | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #topic Other Discussion Items | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other Discussion Items (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:18 | |
| bdpayne | what else would people like to discuss today? | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | I feel like I've been talking a lot … surely there's other stuff | 18:19 |
| elo | will review ossn stuff as well | 18:19 |
| elo | nothing from me | 18:19 |
| joelcoffman | we could *really* use some reviews on our volume encryption patches | 18:19 |
| joelcoffman | big ones are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30974/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30976/ | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | joelcoffman you need cinder people specifically, or security people or ? | 18:20 |
| jgriffith | he needs cinder people | 18:20 |
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| jgriffith | but extra eyes from sec folks would help me out | 18:20 |
| joelcoffman | yes, Cinder most specifically but we'd appreciate any feedback | 18:20 |
| malini1 | joelcoffman -- did Zhitang (winnston) ever review anything for us? | 18:20 |
| malini1 | winston | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I'll see if I can work some connections at this end | 18:21 |
| joelcoffman | not yet, I think he said he'd review it this week | 18:21 |
| malini1 | we have bound reviewing slow at intel too on nova patches, everyone busy with their feature | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:22 |
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| joelcoffman | agreed, reviewers can't seem to keep up with all the proposed features | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | another worthwhile thing to do is to work through the book making edits where needed | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | even if you just do a page at a time, or a chapter, etc | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | if you do that and put up a PR for edits, just drop me a line and I can help see it through | 18:22 |
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| malini1 | :) Ah, I am doing that, markingup my book with little edits, learning as i go along | 18:23 |
| malini1 | PR ? | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | edits can be made via PR https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/src/docbkx/openstack-security | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | using the normal "git review" system | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | book edits are a great task for new people to help get involved in OSSG | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | fwiw | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | I'll be syncing with people at my end about the Vol encryption reviews joelcoffman | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I'll keep you posted | 18:25 |
| joelcoffman | thanks | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | and that's all I have for today | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:25 |
| joelcoffman | cheers | 18:25 |
| rlp | Afternoon | 18:25 |
| malini1 | bye! | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 8 18:26:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-08-18.00.html | 18:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-08-18.00.txt | 18:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-08-18.00.log.html | 18:26 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 8 20:00:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | interesting, is the 'due to finish new' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | maybe i just never paid attention | 20:00 |
| harlowja | \0/ | 20:00 |
| jlucci | ? | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | "Meeting started Thu Aug 8 20:00:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes." | 20:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | i don't remember if due to finish was there before, ha | 20:01 |
| jlucci | Yeah - it says "due to finish in 60 minutes" | 20:01 |
| jlucci | Oh | 20:01 |
| jlucci | haha | 20:01 |
| harlowja | what happens at 61 | 20:01 |
| harlowja | :-/ | 20:01 |
| jlucci | The program divides by 0 | 20:01 |
| kchenweijie | hello | 20:01 |
| melnikov | hi there | 20:01 |
| harlowja | howday | 20:01 |
| harlowja | melnikov thx for joining, know its late | 20:02 |
| melnikov | not that late in fact | 20:02 |
| melnikov | a midnight | 20:02 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:02 |
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| * harlowja thats late | 20:02 | |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | alright, anyway, getting started | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #topic announcements | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:03 | |
| harlowja | ya for cinder | 20:03 |
| jlucci | :D | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/ | 20:04 |
| jlucci | Awesome awesome job | 20:04 |
| harlowja | just wanted to throw that out there ;) | 20:04 |
| harlowja | on this day in aug8, a giant leap for mankind, or a small step or something | 20:05 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:05 |
| jlucci | :P | 20:05 |
| kebray | +1 on awesome job on the Cinder merge! | 20:06 |
| adrian_otto | well done | 20:06 |
| harlowja | ya, thx hemna and john g. and others | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | yup, step uno of a path to many more steps | 20:06 |
| harlowja | alright onwards and upwards | 20:07 |
| harlowja | #topic status | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:07 | |
| harlowja | i'll go first i guess | 20:07 |
| harlowja | resynced oslo code, fixed up cinder, hit oslo exception bug, continuing reading and trying out blocks, trying to see what others think about next steps | 20:08 |
| harlowja | which i think is a good topic for a little later (next steps) | 20:08 |
| harlowja | and putting more priority on me doing reviews | 20:08 |
| harlowja | so that kchenweijie DB work is merged | 20:09 |
| kchenweijie | hooray! | 20:09 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:09 |
| harlowja | what has everyone else been doing | 20:09 |
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| jlucci | devstack | 20:10 |
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| jlucci | lolz | 20:10 |
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| kebray | Don't forget videos. | 20:10 |
| harlowja | oh ya! | 20:10 |
| jlucci | Mostly sorting through trove code though | 20:10 |
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| jlucci | Oh, and I made a video. haha | 20:10 |
| harlowja | crap can't go back to the announcement section | 20:11 |
| jlucci | So that seemed to get some pretty good reception (brought down my dropbox :P) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | we have our local actor | 20:11 |
| harlowja | ---> jlucci | 20:11 |
| jlucci | *bows* | 20:11 |
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| jlucci | haha | 20:11 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:11 |
| jlucci | So that was pretty cool - trying to generate some more interest in the project and what not | 20:11 |
| harlowja | def | 20:11 |
| jlucci | But next steps for me are working on integrating taskflow into trove for create instance | 20:12 |
| harlowja | #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJLc3U-KYxQ | 20:12 |
| jlucci | haha | 20:12 |
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| jlucci | 45 views *whatwhat* | 20:12 |
| harlowja | hmmm, need to get that placed on www.yahoo.com somehow | 20:12 |
| harlowja | that will shoot that number up | 20:12 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:12 |
| jlucci | :P | 20:12 |
| jlucci | Anyway - that's it for me! | 20:12 |
| harlowja | :) thx jlucci | 20:13 |
| harlowja | hollywood awaits | 20:13 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | #action josh make some video to | 20:13 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:13 |
| jlucci | haha | 20:14 |
| harlowja | kchenweijie what have been up to, fighting with git i think is part of it :) | 20:14 |
| jlucci | Make a cinder-taskflow video | 20:14 |
| harlowja | ah, jlucci good idea | 20:14 |
| kchenweijie | yup, fighting with git was definitely part of it | 20:14 |
| kchenweijie | so i got the (hopefully) final git review up for backend API and generic types | 20:14 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:14 |
| kchenweijie | and made it into two (slightly) smaller separate reviews | 20:14 |
| kchenweijie | also been working on rpc calls for distributed taskflow | 20:15 |
| harlowja | cool, is that pretty involved? | 20:15 |
| kchenweijie | fully functional except for the fact that the celery worker at this moment still cannot figure out the ip of the calling machine | 20:15 |
| kchenweijie | working on that though | 20:15 |
| harlowja | sounds neat | 20:15 |
| kchenweijie | i switch between the two projects when i get tired or frustrated with one | 20:15 |
| harlowja | i wonder how similar the oslo.messaging stuff is to what u are using | 20:15 |
| kchenweijie | will be merged in with the distributed taskflow so that code can be added after a worker is already running | 20:16 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/Messaging | 20:16 |
| jlucci | Only thing that's a little tricky is that we don't want to modify celery code | 20:16 |
| kchenweijie | hmm. will take a look at that link | 20:16 |
| harlowja | ^ just might be something to read over kchenweijie | 20:16 |
| uvirtbot | harlowja: Error: "just" is not a valid command. | 20:16 |
| jlucci | But the worker is the server listener | 20:16 |
| harlowja | thx uvirtbot (no idea what u are talking about) | 20:16 |
| jlucci | Have to get a little hacky | 20:16 |
| jlucci | celery worker* | 20:16 |
| jlucci | haha | 20:16 |
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| kchenweijie | yup, so im reading into celerys source code, which is actually really hard to follow at places... | 20:17 |
| harlowja | ya, i looked at it a little once, i came to some of the same conclusion | 20:17 |
| jlucci | :P | 20:18 |
| harlowja | :) that it kchenweijie ? | 20:18 |
| kchenweijie | thats it for me | 20:19 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:19 |
| harlowja | thx! | 20:19 |
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| kchenweijie | also, internship ends next tuesday, but we already discussed that i htink | 20:19 |
| kchenweijie | so slowly wrapping things up as well | 20:19 |
| harlowja | ya, sad face | 20:19 |
| harlowja | your work has been much appreciated :) | 20:19 |
| harlowja | and i hope it was useful for u to :) | 20:20 |
| kchenweijie | thank you. hope it winds up being useful and mostly problem free | 20:20 |
| harlowja | def | 20:20 |
| kchenweijie | it was. learned a lot about python, databases, message queues, and above all git | 20:20 |
| jlucci | Yes, thanks so much for all your help kchenweijie! | 20:20 |
| harlowja | good ole git, ha | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | melnikov yt | 20:21 |
| harlowja | i think u've just been exploring the concepts and seeing what u think is good/bad/needs work (much appreciated) ya, maybe get soem coding in soon also | 20:21 |
| harlowja | ? | 20:21 |
| harlowja | fresh insight is something i think taskflow needs to encourage to be the best it can be :) | 20:22 |
| melnikov | yes, pretty much that | 20:22 |
| harlowja | woot | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | anastasia isn't around i think, but i've been messing around with here block stuff, so getting more comfortable there | 20:23 |
| harlowja | but i think still some back and forth on that | 20:23 |
| harlowja | she i think might be able to help continue on kchenweijie work | 20:23 |
| changbl | Hi guys, sorry I am late | 20:23 |
| harlowja | np changbl | 20:23 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:23 |
| jlucci | Yeah - can you post the link to that wiki that melnikov made? | 20:23 |
| harlowja | yup yup | 20:23 |
| adrian_otto | you missed the big news though | 20:23 |
| changbl | let me read the logs | 20:24 |
| hemna | big news? :P | 20:24 |
| jlucci | haha | 20:24 |
| harlowja | medium big | 20:24 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:24 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's important to recognize integration of taskflow with consider as a major milestone | 20:24 |
| harlowja | small step for man, big leap for mankind | 20:24 |
| changbl | great job, harlowja ! | 20:24 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | thx changbl | 20:25 |
| hemna | :) | 20:25 |
| adrian_otto | so if we were all together I wold lead the room in a round of applause | 20:25 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:25 |
| harlowja | virtual clap | 20:25 |
| harlowja | virtual high-five | 20:25 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:25 |
| * harlowja high-fived my laptop | 20:25 | |
| * adrian_otto claps | 20:25 | |
| jlucci | hahaha | 20:25 |
| * melnikov claps too | 20:25 | |
| harlowja | lol | 20:26 |
| adrian_otto | so special thanks to everyone, especially harlowja for this contribution | 20:26 |
| harlowja | hemna jlucci had a neat idea, in the spirt of videos, could make one showing what cinder is now like, the log files would be the most interesting, and describing the changes, what do u think | 20:26 |
| hemna | that'd be cool to see | 20:26 |
| adrian_otto | it's a win for cinder, and a win for taskflow. | 20:26 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto np, just doing my duty :) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | #action item josh think of possible video situation | 20:27 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:27 |
| harlowja | changbl just doing status also btw, have u been able to mess around at all? | 20:28 |
| harlowja | also link for some of melnikov writeups | 20:28 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Taskflow/Patterns_and_Engines | 20:28 |
| harlowja | and one that kchenweijie made | 20:28 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/Persistence | 20:28 |
| changbl | I am reading through your new examples, and trying to play with it | 20:28 |
| harlowja | with some insights (the melnikov one) and the persistance work ( kchenweijie ) | 20:28 |
| changbl | also reading blocks and its code | 20:28 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:29 |
| harlowja | sounds great | 20:29 |
| harlowja | any insights u have, or questions, or anything else we are all here to help | 20:29 |
| harlowja | *almost anything else* | 20:29 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:29 |
| harlowja | so lets maybe jump it some of melnikov ideas, before he falls asleep | 20:30 |
| jlucci | harlowja, melnikov - could one of ya'll still post the link to the wiki that melnikov made real quick? | 20:30 |
| harlowja | i think i just did? | 20:30 |
| harlowja | :-/ | 20:30 |
| jlucci | hurrr | 20:30 |
| jlucci | I'm done talking now. :P | 20:30 |
| harlowja | haha, np | 20:30 |
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| harlowja | #topic melnikov-ideas | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | i know everyone hasn't had time to read it | 20:31 |
| harlowja | which is fine | 20:31 |
| harlowja | melnikov could u maybe provide a summary quickly? | 20:31 |
| melnikov | ok | 20:31 |
| harlowja | thx :) | 20:32 |
| melnikov | current flows do three things: describe flow structure, actually run the tasks and hold some runtime state for that | 20:33 |
| melnikov | i'd like to see them separated | 20:33 |
| harlowja | so seperation would be at which pieces? | 20:33 |
| harlowja | flow structure + tasks | 20:33 |
| harlowja | then runtime elsewhere? | 20:33 |
| melnikov | tasks, you put into struture via *patterns* (like linear flow or parallel or graph), than give it to *engine* to execute | 20:35 |
| harlowja | i think that makes sense | 20:36 |
| harlowja | how much interaction/introspection do u think an engine will have to do to basically 'unravel' the pattern to run it | 20:36 |
| harlowja | *the above being complex when subflows and such are used | 20:37 |
| melnikov | that will depend on engine implementation imo | 20:38 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:38 |
| melnikov | we can have several, some might explore structure like builder from blocks code, some will just extract deps from structure and use that, maybe other ways | 20:38 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:39 |
| harlowja | do u want to maybe prototype that idea, i think it likely is the best direction forward, and now (at the early stages) is the best time for it i think | 20:39 |
| harlowja | we aren't yet at a stage where its hard to make that change | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | and melnikov any idea how the logbook (or tasklog, or whatever u want to call it) will be used there | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | will the machine use the tasklog (as like a persistant memory) | 20:40 |
| harlowja | *sorry engine, not machine | 20:40 |
| harlowja | jlucci does the above seem pretty useful, i think its where we all want to go in the end | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | i just wonder about the engine/flow boundary (and how much introspection the engine will need to do to understand the pattern) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | and then will machines themselves be saved/restored (so that we can resume/rollback) | 20:42 |
| jlucci | It all sounds good, but I just worry that it might get too complicated | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | agreed, i think a prototype that shows it might help there to see it | 20:43 |
| jlucci | Like, I agree that there are distinct parts in the project (flow structure, runtime state/persistance, what runs the tasks/patterns) | 20:43 |
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| melnikov | jlucci, i hope it would get simpler | 20:43 |
| jlucci | I'm not sure that adding additional engines would simplify it though... | 20:44 |
| melnikov | there are already engines hidden inside linear flow and graph flow | 20:44 |
| jlucci | I think the patterns tell us enough of the "how" to run a flow, that we only need one engine to run them | 20:44 |
| jlucci | Right, as of now, our patters are patterns/engines, right? | 20:45 |
| jlucci | They define a flow structure, and how to run that structure | 20:45 |
| jlucci | And they run said structure | 20:45 |
| melnikov | patterns/engines/storage, all three | 20:45 |
| * harlowja wonders if we can get away with 1 engine, idk | 20:45 | |
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| jlucci | Yeah - it might be too difficult to have one engine | 20:46 |
| jlucci | Now that I think through how different the flows currently are | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | why would it be difficult? please elaborate further. | 20:46 |
| jlucci | If we had one engine it would probably become all confusing/intricate/spaghetti | 20:46 |
| harlowja | depends i think on the engine/pattern barrier right? | 20:47 |
| harlowja | *and how that is done* | 20:47 |
| jlucci | Well, each flow, as of now, has a very specific way that flows need to be run | 20:47 |
| melnikov | i don't think one engine is the way | 20:47 |
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| jlucci | For instance, linear flows can only be running one task at a time | 20:47 |
| jlucci | Where something like parallel flow needs to run multiple tasks at a time | 20:47 |
| jlucci | Creating an engine that supports the needs of every flow, I think, would get too complicated | 20:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm persuaded by that. | 20:48 |
| jlucci | I'm all for keeping stuff simple, but the more I think about it, I think melnikov does has the right idea | 20:48 |
| jlucci | have* | 20:48 |
| harlowja | would a possible prototype help there, that might help explore it more deeply | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | that would make it pretty evident | 20:49 |
| harlowja | melnikov do u think that u can attempt that? | 20:49 |
| harlowja | then we can maybe discuss it next meeting and see what we all think | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | *or the meeting after | 20:50 |
| melnikov | yes i think prototype will clarify the matters | 20:50 |
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| jlucci | Yeah, I'd like to see the organization of things. I'm pretty sure I understand the need for all the parts | 20:50 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:50 |
| jlucci | Just want to see the big picture I guess | 20:50 |
| * harlowja same here | 20:51 | |
| jlucci | :P | 20:51 |
| melnikov | also don't know if i'll be able to do something by the next meeting | 20:51 |
| harlowja | thats fine | 20:51 |
| harlowja | lots to do in the meantime :) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | so no worries | 20:51 |
| jlucci | Definitely. haha | 20:51 |
| harlowja | and i think if engines go into taskflow, they should be mostly transparent to users of the library | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | just might be 1 or 2 new lines of code | 20:52 |
| harlowja | *for the users* | 20:52 |
| jlucci | The less the user has to know about the system, the better | 20:52 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:52 |
| melnikov | 2 to 5 lines in config file maybe | 20:52 |
| harlowja | ya, or that : | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | 2-5, 1-2, 3-4 | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | ha | 20:52 |
| harlowja | sounds pretty good | 20:53 |
| harlowja | anything else melnikov u want to mention? | 20:53 |
| jlucci | <5 and we'll call it a day | 20:53 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:53 |
| melnikov | ) | 20:53 |
| harlowja | ( | 20:53 |
| jlucci | __________ | 20:54 |
| jlucci | < Success! > | 20:54 |
| jlucci | ---------- | 20:54 |
| jlucci | \ ^__^ | 20:54 |
| jlucci | \ (oo)\_______ | 20:54 |
| jlucci | (__)\ )\/\ | 20:54 |
| jlucci | ||----w | | 20:54 |
| jlucci | || || | 20:54 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:54 |
| changbl | nice | 20:54 |
| harlowja | bahaha | 20:54 |
| jlucci | Anvil built btw | 20:54 |
| jlucci | lol | 20:54 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:54 |
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| jlucci | Thus the cow. :P | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | #topic talk-about-whatever | 20:54 |
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| melnikov | i thik we're done with my stuff for now | 20:54 |
| harlowja | sweet, thx melnikov | 20:54 |
| harlowja | happy cow be happy | 20:55 |
| jlucci | Yeah - thank you. I think your ideas are going to be really beneficial to taskflow. (: | 20:55 |
| * harlowja sorta wants to see what happens at minute 61 | 20:55 | |
| harlowja | lol | 20:55 |
| harlowja | def, more good inputs the better | 20:55 |
| harlowja | *and even bad inputs | 20:56 |
| harlowja | all inputs considered | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | alright, maybe i have to wait for next time to see minute 61 | 20:56 |
| harlowja | unless anyone wants to talk more about taskflow | 20:56 |
| jlucci | *sad panda* | 20:56 |
| harlowja | (or whatever) | 20:56 |
| harlowja | how's whatever going for u jlucci | 20:57 |
| harlowja | dandy? | 20:57 |
| harlowja | how's the horse | 20:57 |
| jlucci | Waiting for anvil to finish installing | 20:57 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:57 |
| jlucci | I will cry if it doesn't | 20:57 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:57 |
| harlowja | it should | 20:57 |
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| jlucci | I don't know man | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | lol | 20:57 |
| jlucci | devstack should've worked | 20:58 |
| jlucci | NOPE | 20:58 |
| jlucci | Unexpected error while running command. | 20:58 |
| jlucci | *sigh** | 20:58 |
| jlucci | To the logs! | 20:58 |
| harlowja | run again with -vv | 20:58 |
| harlowja | anyway, end meeting, join us in our local home @ #openstack-state-management for more | 20:58 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 8 20:58:55 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-08-20.00.html | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-08-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-08-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 8 21:00:48 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
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| comstud | o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| dansmith | yo | 21:01 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| mrodden | hi | 21:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
| alaski | hi | 21:01 |
| * joel-coffman waves hello | 21:01 | |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic havana-3 status | 21:01 |
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| russellb | we are just under 2 weeks from the first havana-3 deadline, when feature patches must be submitted for review to be considered for havana | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:02 |
| dansmith | cripes, two weeks? | 21:02 |
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| russellb | 98 blueprints | 21:02 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | less than 10 implemented | 21:02 |
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| russellb | so obviously some serious work to do to even get a big chunk of this merged | 21:02 |
| russellb | we're going to hit a review bottleneck i'm sure | 21:02 |
| russellb | so it's really important that we try to prioritize which features we're reviewing | 21:03 |
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| russellb | not just on age at this point, but also what we think is most important to get into havana | 21:03 |
| russellb | so those are my general comments | 21:03 |
| russellb | we can now talk about whichever blueprints people here are interested in discussing the status of | 21:03 |
| russellb | i think vishy would like to talk about live-snapshots | 21:04 |
| vishy | yes | 21:04 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33698/ | 21:04 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/live-snapshot-vms | 21:04 |
| vishy | so i'm getting quite a bit of push-back from libvirt folk | 21:04 |
| vishy | on two points | 21:04 |
| vishy | a) I'm using the libvirt api for snapshots in a way that wasn't intended | 21:04 |
| vishy | and b) we shouldn't be loading memory state into a new vm because it might break | 21:05 |
| vishy | I wanted to discuss these here | 21:05 |
| dansmith | I don't understand b | 21:05 |
| lifeless | thats interesting | 21:05 |
| vishy | dansmith: see the comment from eric blake | 21:05 |
| dansmith | vishy: yes, that comment makes no sense to me | 21:05 |
| jog0 | a) concerns me | 21:05 |
| lifeless | see I had this idea the other day that we could snapshot memory state into a new sort of glance image | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | let me reread | 21:05 |
| vishy | cloning memory state into a "new" vm means there is data in memory that is invalid | 21:05 |
| lifeless | and deploy that at an arbitrary later date | 21:05 |
| vishy | specifically the mac address and other hardware specific things | 21:06 |
| vishy | I think this is an acceptable tradeoff for live booting vms | 21:06 |
| lifeless | oh it's exactly what vishy is doing - cool | 21:06 |
| vishy | but it will lead to hard to diagnose problems | 21:06 |
| russellb | lifeless: :-) | 21:06 |
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| lifeless | vishy: where is eric's comments ? | 21:07 |
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| russellb | lifeless: on patch set 11 | 21:07 |
| russellb | lifeless: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33698/11 | 21:07 |
| vishy | not inline | 21:07 |
| dansmith | yeah, eric's comments don't make sense to me (still) | 21:07 |
| vishy | well one comment is inline and one is global | 21:07 |
| vishy | I would like to treat live-cloning as experimental for sure | 21:07 |
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| vishy | but if we can ignore b) what do we do about a) ? | 21:08 |
| vishy | do i have to rewrite it to use the qemu monitor directly and just deal with the libvirt tainted flag? | 21:08 |
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| vishy | fyi one of my main reasons for pushing this is I want it as an option in the api | 21:08 |
| lifeless | how is this so different to live migration ? | 21:08 |
| vishy | lifeless: it is a clone | 21:09 |
| dansmith | vishy: in a former life, I used life migration in xen to do this | 21:09 |
| vishy | … so that other companies can come in and make better versions | 21:09 |
| vishy | for example, grid centric has a pretty sexy version of this already | 21:09 |
| russellb | vishy: why can't they contribute it? :-) | 21:09 |
| vishy | russellb: because it is proprietary code | 21:10 |
| russellb | i don't have much to add. I generally defer to the libvirt folks on point a) and generally think we should avoid doing something that freaks them out if we can't convince them it's ok | 21:10 |
| lifeless | vishy: so then eric's comments translate as 'live migration can't possibly work, but does because it doesn't change the MAC address' | 21:10 |
| jog0 | vishy: why is this worth pusing for Havana? | 21:10 |
| vishy | so basically i want to get the framework in so others can write a better version | 21:10 |
| lifeless | (as teh MAC is the only in-instance visible thing). | 21:10 |
| lifeless | I have a suggestion that might mitigate his concerns | 21:11 |
| vishy | jog0 only because i've been trying to get it in for two months :) | 21:11 |
| lifeless | hot-unplug the vnic. | 21:11 |
| lifeless | save state. | 21:11 |
| lifeless | and on boot | 21:11 |
| jog0 | vishy: fair enough | 21:11 |
| russellb | vishy: to be honest, i'm not terribly interested in a framework for other implementations that aren't coming upstream | 21:11 |
| lifeless | boot without a mac | 21:11 |
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| lifeless | then hot-plug it in. | 21:11 |
| vishy | lifeless: that could work, unplug the nic before save | 21:11 |
| lifeless | tada, as long as vcpu has teh same flags and arch etc, there should be no in-instance twiddling to do at all. | 21:11 |
| dansmith | lifeless: I don't thnk that is his concern, right? | 21:11 |
| lifeless | I will put this in a review comment. | 21:11 |
| dansmith | he does a replug after creating it | 21:11 |
| dansmith | I think eric is concerned about something else, but it doesn't make sense to me | 21:12 |
| yjiang5 | lifeless: you have to make sure there is no window between hot-remove and save, otherwise application may failed | 21:12 |
| vishy | it doesn't really address point a) | 21:12 |
| lifeless | dansmith: his concern is about having to update in-RAM values. | 21:12 |
| vishy | yjiang5: ah yes good point, I did think of this before | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | lifeless: you think that's what he means by "address" ? | 21:12 |
| lifeless | dansmith: I think he means memory address. | 21:12 |
| lifeless | dansmith: in the guest RAM space | 21:12 |
| vishy | yjiang5: however i am hot unplug/replug on clone anyway so it should be roughly the same | 21:13 |
| dansmith | lifeless: right, what does that have to do with anything? | 21:13 |
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| vishy | lifeless: meaning the mac address of the old vm could be in a bunch of places in memory | 21:13 |
| vishy | which will break things | 21:13 |
| lifeless | dansmith: ^ | 21:13 |
| dansmith | that's solved by the replug | 21:13 |
| vishy | aye dansmith ^ | 21:13 |
| lifeless | dansmith: right | 21:13 |
| lifeless | dansmith: but you have to unplug it first to avoid potential crazy | 21:14 |
| dansmith | his words led me to think he's concerned about something else | 21:14 |
| jog0 | is it worth discussing the details here or just the high level issues vishy listed (a and b)? | 21:14 |
| russellb | let me see if i can get him to join us ... | 21:14 |
| lifeless | dansmith: if you unplug *after* the snapshot, you're changing the hardware MAC of a virtIO device without warning | 21:14 |
| vishy | maybe if it doesn't actually change the mac address in the xml and just does uuid/name then the libvirt folk will be better with it | 21:14 |
| lifeless | dansmith: it's easy to image that leading to subtle corruption bugs | 21:14 |
| dansmith | lifeless: well, I dunno, you can unplug a network device in linux without notice, it's not like a block device | 21:15 |
| vishy | that would also potentially allow for multiple nics to be attached as well | 21:15 |
| vishy | dansmith: right but that is trusting the os to be smart about these things | 21:15 |
| vishy | i suspect windows is not nearly as forgiving | 21:15 |
| dansmith | um, who cares? :) | 21:15 |
| yjiang5 | vishy: in live snapshot, will the VM pause a while to get the last round RAM state? | 21:15 |
| n0ano | are we sure that the MAC address is the only data in RAM to worry about, what about things like file system UUIDs | 21:16 |
| vishy | it pauses while snapshotting yes | 21:16 |
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| vishy | there are probably other things but this is all related to the idea of live clones in general | 21:16 |
| mrodden | what about hardware passthrough devices and such... | 21:16 |
| lifeless | dansmith: right, I agree you can hot unplug | 21:16 |
| dansmith | mrodden: out of scope for something like this, I'd say | 21:16 |
| lifeless | dansmith: but we're not hot unplugging, we're just rewriting details in the virtio device, *then* hot replugging. | 21:17 |
| dansmith | mrodden: hardware passthrough pins a lot of things | 21:17 |
| mrodden | right | 21:17 |
| vishy | there will need to be a smart guest agent to handle some of the edge cases | 21:17 |
| mrodden | it straight up wouldn't work | 21:17 |
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| vishy | thats why i want to get it in for people to experiment with | 21:17 |
| mrodden | but i guess if its not a concern | 21:17 |
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| lifeless | dansmith: I'm saying we need to switch the order to address his concern about changing things out under the guest without the normal hw notifications | 21:17 |
| dansmith | lifeless: but we all agree we should be hot unplugging before snapshot, right? | 21:17 |
| vishy | right | 21:17 |
| lifeless | dansmith: I think we do; modulo yjiang5's point about apps | 21:18 |
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| lifeless | dansmith: which I think is a higher layer problem - the IP will change as well | 21:18 |
| dansmith | right, that has to be understood | 21:18 |
| dansmith | the thing is, | 21:18 |
| dansmith | his comments are so emphatic, | 21:18 |
| mrodden | unless qemu does something weird with the memory mapping in the state file, i can't think of why it wouldn't work | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I assumed that changing the order was not going to assuage his fears, so I assumed he was worried about something else | 21:18 |
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| vishy | ok so I will rewrite the hotplugging before and minimize the xml changes, add some notes that i would prefer to do it through a libvirt api but the xml rewrite is the only thing supported currently | 21:19 |
| dansmith | vishy: personally, | 21:19 |
| vishy | and see what daniel et. al. think about that | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I'd like to see you do a lot more bounds checking and stuff on the xml payload, | 21:19 |
| yjiang5 | vishy: I think n0ano is correct that we may have a lot of guest-specific status, considering the guest has connection to a server, then that connectoin may be cloned also and confused the server. | 21:19 |
| dansmith | because changing offsets in a new version of that format would cause you to really badly break the image | 21:19 |
| vishy | yes clearly the production version of this needs a guest agent | 21:19 |
| dansmith | and I think you can do some easy sanity stuff | 21:19 |
| vishy | gridcentric has offered to create an opensource guest agent to do this stuff | 21:20 |
| vishy | since they already have one | 21:20 |
| russellb | should we be waiting on something we consider production ready? | 21:20 |
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| vishy | russellb: I don't think we are going to get there unless there is an experimental version for people to start trying | 21:21 |
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| russellb | ok | 21:22 |
| russellb | vishy: so sounds like you have a plan for an update to make? | 21:22 |
| vishy | yep i will make the update and see how it goes | 21:23 |
| vishy | thx | 21:23 |
| russellb | alright | 21:23 |
| russellb | sure | 21:23 |
| russellb | next blueprint for discussion? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | objects | 21:23 |
| russellb | dansmith: alrighty, have at it | 21:24 |
| dansmith | I think compute-api-objects is still in striking distance | 21:24 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-api-objects | 21:24 |
| dansmith | it's going to be a lot of work to get it done in two weeks, especially since comstud refuses to step up, but I think it's doable regardless | 21:24 |
| dansmith | (kidding about comstud of course) | 21:24 |
| comstud | lol | 21:24 |
| jog0 | dansmith: why does this need to hit the havana deadline? | 21:25 |
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| comstud | it sucks having 1/2 of it done | 21:25 |
| russellb | and that has an effect on the pain of maintaining havana | 21:25 |
| jog0 | comstud: true, but there is an impact on ther blueprints | 21:25 |
| comstud | by done i mean merged already | 21:26 |
| jog0 | russellb: good point, as in backports would be much harder if half done? | 21:26 |
| comstud | we already have a lot of transitional code that is not ideal | 21:26 |
| russellb | i think so, we'd be left maintaining a fairly inconsistent interface | 21:26 |
| jog0 | russellb: you convinced me | 21:26 |
| russellb | k :) | 21:26 |
| yjiang5 | comstud: do this really changed the interface a lot ? | 21:26 |
| russellb | (and setting deadlines for ourselves is good to help ensure we keep up the pace) ;-) | 21:27 |
| comstud | yjiang5: I'm not sure what interface you're specifically referring to | 21:27 |
| yjiang5 | comstud: the interface russellb is talking about :-) | 21:28 |
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| russellb | compute api? | 21:28 |
| comstud | it's generally way different how you work with objects or sqlalchemy models/dicts | 21:28 |
| comstud | right | 21:28 |
| comstud | some compute api methods expect objects now | 21:28 |
| comstud | others cannot take objects | 21:28 |
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| comstud | it'd be nice to get that all consistent :) | 21:29 |
| yjiang5 | comstud: got it and agree. | 21:29 |
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| dansmith | um, sorry | 21:29 |
| russellb | dani4571: didn't miss *too* much, just clarifying what's different in compute api with objects | 21:30 |
| comstud | dansmith: it's cool, we assigned 10 more things to you | 21:30 |
| russellb | anything else you want to cover? | 21:30 |
| dansmith | nope | 21:30 |
| dansmith | comstud: bring it on! | 21:30 |
| russellb | ok, next blueprint? | 21:30 |
| comstud | alaski ? | 21:30 |
| n0ano | garyk wanted me to bring up instance groups | 21:30 |
| russellb | n0ano: ok | 21:31 |
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| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension | 21:31 |
| russellb | n0ano: what's up with that one | 21:31 |
| n0ano | he's looking for reviewers | 21:31 |
| alaski | comstud: ack. I'll go next | 21:31 |
| russellb | n0ano: did it get converted to objects? | 21:31 |
| n0ano | the patch was ready and then he had to change it to use objects and now it's ready again | 21:31 |
| russellb | looks like it did | 21:31 |
| n0ano | yes, I believe he did | 21:32 |
| russellb | ok | 21:32 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:32 |
| yjiang5 | although PCI pasthrough is low now, I still want to lobby more cores to review our patch. It's really helpful for virtualization, and some customer want it. | 21:32 |
| jog0 | shameless plug for: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-compute-fanout-to-scheduler | 21:33 |
| russellb | heh, just review lobbying? | 21:33 |
| russellb | alaski: you're up | 21:33 |
| alaski | cool | 21:33 |
| alaski | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/query-scheduler | 21:33 |
| jog0 | russellb: yeah and feedback of course | 21:33 |
| alaski | so the tl;dr is that rather than casting to scheduler to compute, and then back to scheduler on a failure. we cast to conductor which gets a list of hosts from scheduler and calls to compute | 21:34 |
| yjiang5 | jog0: I think the question is to me :) yes, just review lobby and feedback of course. | 21:34 |
| alaski | except that calling to compute doesn't work so well becuase building an instance can take some time | 21:34 |
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| alaski | so now I'm looking at conductor casting to compute and compute casting back to conductor to report success/failure | 21:35 |
| russellb | alaski: that would at least match how it works now | 21:35 |
| russellb | alaski: seems like anything else is going to be a lot more work (and more risk) | 21:35 |
| alaski | right. But leaves the scheduler in a better place | 21:35 |
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| russellb | yeah | 21:35 |
| russellb | seems ok to me | 21:35 |
| russellb | and perhaps worth looking at again next cycle to consider having conductor do more active monitoring of the progress | 21:36 |
| russellb | but what you said sounds good to me for now | 21:36 |
| alaski | agreed. I'm open to ideas on ways to not have ccompute need to cast/call back to conductor | 21:37 |
| russellb | ok, good on that one? | 21:38 |
| alaski | yep, thanks | 21:38 |
| russellb | cool | 21:38 |
| russellb | any other blueprints to discuss? | 21:38 |
| itzikb | russellb: Can I ask for a review ? | 21:38 |
| russellb | itzikb: sure why not | 21:38 |
| joel-coffman | I'll second that request | 21:38 |
| itzikb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35189/ | 21:39 |
| russellb | i assume anything marked as "needs code review", someone would like a review on it | 21:39 |
| itzikb | :-) | 21:39 |
| russellb | comstud: direct mysql? still want it on the list? | 21:39 |
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| comstud | defer | 21:39 |
| russellb | ack | 21:39 |
| jog0 | comstud: :( | 21:39 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:39 |
| comstud | haha | 21:40 |
| comstud | jog0: "Why does it need to be in Havana?" ;) | 21:40 |
| russellb | comstud: ha | 21:40 |
| jog0 | comstud: performance | 21:40 |
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| comstud | I know and I tend to agree | 21:40 |
| comstud | unless a miracle happens, I don't see it making it | 21:40 |
| comstud | beacuse of trying to get these other things done | 21:40 |
| russellb | reality is a pain sometimes | 21:41 |
| jog0 | comstud: yeah ... it sure is | 21:41 |
| comstud | I need to put my current code back up on github at least | 21:41 |
| jog0 | russellb: what about all the BPs that aren't started? | 21:41 |
| comstud | or well, update it | 21:41 |
| russellb | jog0: all hyper-v yes? they say they're delivering all of them ... | 21:42 |
| * russellb shrugs | 21:42 | |
| jog0 | shouldn'tthey at least mark them as started | 21:42 |
| russellb | jog0: you'd think so | 21:42 |
| russellb | maybe i'll defer them next week | 21:43 |
| jog0 | ack | 21:43 |
| russellb | note that we're basically aiming to merge *everything* in high/medium | 21:43 |
| russellb | but beyond that it's no real commitment | 21:43 |
| russellb | alright, let's check with subteams real quick, and then open discussion | 21:43 |
| russellb | #topic sub-team reports | 21:44 |
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| russellb | anyone around to provide a subteam report? | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | \0 | 21:44 |
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| russellb | hartsocks: hey | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | jo | 21:44 |
| russellb | so hartsocks does a nice job sending out regular subteam status emails :-) | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | So I'm building a list of the most important blueprints to our subteam. | 21:45 |
| hartsocks | I'll mail the list with that tonight after I collect the stats. | 21:45 |
| russellb | ok | 21:45 |
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| hartsocks | Yep. | 21:45 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:45 |
| hartsocks | I've got a few reviews I'm shilling for... | 21:45 |
| hartsocks | I'll save that for the list. | 21:46 |
| russellb | ok | 21:46 |
| russellb | any other subteams? | 21:46 |
| russellb | alrighty then | 21:46 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:46 |
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| russellb | any final topics? | 21:47 |
| jog0 | if no one else has anything, got a question about the future of conductor | 21:47 |
| russellb | jog0: sure, we can chat about that | 21:47 |
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| russellb | i don't know that there's a wiki page i can point to ... | 21:47 |
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| jog0 | so the question is, I have been ignoring the conductor planning until now, and my question is why make conductor long term tasks etc | 21:48 |
| russellb | the related blueprints for havana are unified-migrations (and its child blueprints for cold and live migrations) | 21:48 |
| russellb | and query-schedulre | 21:48 |
| jog0 | I noticed scheduling doess a conductor hop | 21:48 |
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| russellb | yeah, so, there's multiple angles to this | 21:48 |
| * russellb tries to think of where to start | 21:48 | |
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| jog0 | so migrations makes a lot of sense to me, query-scheduling just makes things nicer but | 21:49 |
| russellb | with migrations, one issue is that it's not great for security to have compute nodes telling each other what to do | 21:49 |
| alaski | jog0: I think it makes the most sense when you consider something like migrate. it needs to communicate with the source and destination | 21:49 |
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| russellb | another thing that applies to migrations and the instance build, is just status tracking of long running tasks | 21:49 |
| jog0 | alaski: yes things like migrations make sens to me. | 21:49 |
| jog0 | russellb: this sounds like a change that needs well documented reasoning | 21:49 |
| russellb | we want to be able to eventually have graceful handling of these tasks, even if a service has to restart, for example | 21:50 |
| jog0 | can you expand on what status tracking for long running tasks actually means | 21:50 |
| russellb | and having it anchored in one spot makes it much more achievable to do that | 21:50 |
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| jog0 | russellb: one spot in code doesn't have to be one service though | 21:50 |
| russellb | so you think hopping through the scheduler is better? | 21:50 |
| russellb | i won't argue that what we've done / are doing is the best possible way, most things aren't :-) | 21:51 |
| russellb | but is it an iterative improvement? | 21:51 |
| jog0 | not any worse. | 21:51 |
| russellb | i think it is, but if it isn't, we need to reconsider | 21:51 |
| jog0 | russellb: without knowing what the goal clearly is its hard to say | 21:51 |
| russellb | so is your concern specifically with the scheduler related build_instance bit you were looking at? | 21:51 |
| jog0 | I am fairly sure this won't make things worse in anyway my question is more of is this a good use of our time. (I am playing devils advocate here) | 21:52 |
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| jog0 | russellb: my concern is we are going down a road without a clear idea of what we are trying to do | 21:52 |
| alaski | well, we're taking a very short step right now | 21:52 |
| jog0 | unfiy task logic makes sense to me, but there are other ways to do that Ithink | 21:53 |
| alaski | and where we go after that is open for discussion | 21:53 |
| jog0 | alaski: right, but doesn't it make sense to have the discussion before? | 21:53 |
| russellb | making the scheduler interface much simpler | 21:53 |
| yjiang5 | jog0: agree. | 21:53 |
| comstud | we discussed this at the summit | 21:53 |
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| comstud | unless I just dreamed it | 21:53 |
| jog0 | note: I am not saying i don't like this, just saying I want to see a detailed answer why I am completely wrong | 21:53 |
| russellb | yep, and should probably have another chat about next steps | 21:53 |
| alaski | yeah, there was discussion | 21:53 |
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| russellb | jog0: well ... i think the burden is on you to say what's bad | 21:54 |
| russellb | not that you're owed an explanation of why it's good | 21:54 |
| jog0 | comstud: IMHO at this point in OpenStacks life a discussion at the summit without a doc summing it up isn't enough | 21:54 |
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| russellb | just a general opinion on things | 21:54 |
| comstud | jog0: I'm sure there's an etherpad with notes... and then there's the BP. | 21:54 |
| jog0 | russellb: because not everyone wants to run conductors | 21:54 |
| russellb | jog0: ok, well why not? | 21:54 |
| comstud | conductor is not necessary here | 21:54 |
| russellb | we've had many ML threads on this too | 21:54 |
| comstud | it just runs it local if you don't want it | 21:55 |
| russellb | puts all this in nova-api instead basically if you run in that mode | 21:55 |
| alaski | yes, local mode works fine. it spawns a greenthread in that case | 21:55 |
| comstud | 'local' tends to mean in nova-api for these things. | 21:55 |
| jog0 | russellb: right, but the next question is will this actaully make task logic easier to understand? | 21:55 |
| russellb | i think it will/does, yes | 21:55 |
| alaski | yes, it does | 21:55 |
| russellb | following the process is going to be *much* easier this way | 21:56 |
| dansmith | agreed | 21:56 |
| jog0 | russellb: because ...? (once again devils advocate here) | 21:56 |
| alaski | because it's centralized to conductor. and because it's not mixed in with filtering and weighting concerns in the scheduler | 21:57 |
| russellb | yeah.. | 21:58 |
| russellb | jog0: can you come back with some specific objections? perhaps it'd be easier to address those? | 21:58 |
| jog0 | and why not something like taskflow? and how do we handle when a conductor goes down | 21:58 |
| jog0 | russellb: I don't have any objects really | 21:58 |
| russellb | ok | 21:58 |
| russellb | taskflow is somewhat related here | 21:58 |
| jog0 | my objection is the lack of a clear document saying why tis is good | 21:58 |
| russellb | the issue with that is that we didn't have a place to really utilize it | 21:58 |
| alaski | this is moving towards being able to look at taskflow | 21:58 |
| russellb | what alaski said | 21:58 |
| dansmith | we're out of time | 21:59 |
| russellb | this were steps 1-10 and step 20 was (maybe) taskflow | 21:59 |
| russellb | in general | 21:59 |
| russellb | ok, time! | 21:59 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 21:59 |
| jog0 | thanks | 21:59 |
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| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-08-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-08-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-08-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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