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| garyk | boris-42: is the scheduling meeting now? | 14:00 |
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| garyk | n0ano: ping | 14:01 |
| n0ano | garyk, ack | 14:01 |
| garyk | n0ano: thanks! | 14:01 |
| garyk | my apoligies for not making the last few. | 14:01 |
| n0ano | BTW, scheduling meeting is an hour from now | 14:01 |
| n0ano | NP, we just deferred things to today | 14:01 |
| garyk | oops. will join in an hour | 14:01 |
| garyk | thanks | 14:01 |
| boris-42 | garyk hi | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | hi all+0 | 14:02 |
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| garyk | boris-42: i got the time mixed up. the meeting is in another hour | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 14:59 |
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| n0ano | anyone here for the scheduler meeting? | 15:00 |
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| debo_os | Hi this is Debo | 15:00 |
| debo_os | for the scheduler meeting | 15:00 |
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| debo_os | I am covering for Senhua who left the Openstack world for now :) | 15:01 |
| * glikson here | 15:01 | |
| n0ano | debo_os, NP, just waiting for people to gather | 15:01 |
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| garyk | hi all | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | #topic instance groups | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | garyk, I believe this was your issue | 15:03 |
| garyk | n0ano: yes, that is correct | 15:03 |
| n0ano | care to expand upon it a little | 15:03 |
| garyk | i just wanted to bring everybody up to date with our developments and bottlenecks | 15:04 |
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| garyk | n0ano: the BP is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension | 15:05 |
| garyk | and the wiki is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupApiExtension | 15:05 |
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| garyk | at the moment we the DB support approved in H2 | 15:05 |
| garyk | the API was looking good until we were asked to use the object model. | 15:06 |
| garyk | that was a blocking feature about 3 weeks ago. | 15:06 |
| garyk | we have added the support - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38979/ and are planning to update the API to use this | 15:06 |
| debo_os | I am updating the API extn based on the support | 15:07 |
| garyk | In addition to this the schsuling support has been added (was approved and then reverted) and is now back in reveiw | 15:07 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33956/ | 15:07 |
| garyk | At the moment my concern is that this feature, which we decided at the portland summit was importnat, may not make the H3 cut due to the issue that are out of our control. | 15:07 |
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| garyk | i wanted to know if there is anyway that we can get some help here with the review process and the issue of the object. | 15:08 |
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| garyk | sorry - obuject support (this is added and we'll integrate in the coming days - just feels like we are going to default on this) | 15:08 |
| n0ano | reviews are always an issue, just rattle the cages here and on the mailing list is the best technique | 15:08 |
| n0ano | more interesting is your problem, is that with the object model and, if so, what's the issue? | 15:09 |
| PhilDay | @garyk - in terms of polices within a group, what is implemented at the moment ? | 15:09 |
| garyk | n0ano: the API patch was nacked due to the fact that it had direct access with the database | 15:09 |
| garyk | PhilDay: at the moment anti affinity is in the review process | 15:09 |
| garyk | PhilDay: Jay Lau want to add affinity host support above this | 15:10 |
| PhilDay | @garyk - Ok thanks, and I assume that builds on the exiting filter ? | 15:10 |
| garyk | PhilDay: we are also planning network proximity - but that will certainly not be in the H cycle | 15:10 |
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| garyk | PhilDay: yes, they are both using existing filters, they are now hooking into the databse structure for instance group management. | 15:11 |
| garyk | prior to that it was an ugly hack | 15:11 |
| PhilDay | It was the network proximity reference in the wiki that made me ask the question - I didn't remember seeing anything related to that in the code | 15:12 |
| garyk | PhilDay: it was something we discussed at the sumiit and was in the queue for development. | 15:12 |
| garyk | i guess that we can discuss that part at the next summit. | 15:12 |
| PhilDay | @garyk - thansk for the clarification - so this set of changes is really about tidying up the group management | 15:13 |
| garyk | PhilDay: correct. | 15:13 |
| n0ano | well, tigying up except for the nack on the API change, that seems rather significant, do you have an alternative | 15:13 |
| garyk | my concern is making the cut for the H cycle. I feel that we are being unlucky with various changes in Nova out of our control (for example the usage of objects) | 15:13 |
| garyk | n0ano: not sure i understand | 15:14 |
| n0ano | you said they nacked because of direct access to the DB, what's your alternative to that? | 15:15 |
| garyk | n0ano: we have implemented the object support. We are in the process of integrating this into the API layer. Now it is just the review process. | 15:15 |
| garyk | is theer anyway that we can get a core reviewer assigned to this? | 15:16 |
| n0ano | I not a core reviewer so I can't help, have you asked on the mailing list | 15:17 |
| garyk | in neutron we do this - that is, a core reviewr is assigned to developments | 15:17 |
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| garyk | n0ano: i do not have anything to add. maybe dabo or glikson have something to add | 15:18 |
| garyk | sorry debo_os not dabo | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | well, there's the Nova meeting this Thurs, you could ask for reviewers there, that meeting worries about scheduling/review issues | 15:20 |
| garyk | n0ano: ok, will do. i'll try and attend - the hours are crazy for us | 15:20 |
| debo_os | Well I am updating the API code based on Gary's patch and I would second Gary about the core reviewer | 15:20 |
| n0ano | garyk, I'll be at the meeting, if you don't make it I'll be sure to raise your review issue | 15:21 |
| debo_os | and his comments .... | 15:21 |
| garyk | n0ano: thanks! much appreciated | 15:21 |
| n0ano | NP | 15:21 |
| n0ano | Unless there's more on this... | 15:21 |
| n0ano | #topic overall scheduler plan | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | This was more jog0 issue but we talked about it a little at the last meeting and I suggested everyone think about it | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | there are a lot of random BPs out against the scheduler, does it make sense to come up with a more unified plan for the scheduler | 15:23 |
| garyk | n0ano: agreed. | 15:24 |
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| garyk | n0ano; i think that the details that boris-42 posted are very imported and highlight some serious issues | 15:24 |
| n0ano | which details were you thinking of? I'm concerned about scaling issues myself. | 15:25 |
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| boris-42 | garyk out meeting time hi all | 15:25 |
| PhilDay | Can you repeat (or point to boris-42's comments) ? | 15:25 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano scaling + flexibility | 15:25 |
| garyk | boris-42: can you please post the link to your doc | 15:25 |
| boris-42 | garyk one sec | 15:25 |
| n0ano | well, I think the current deisgn (plugable filters/weights) is pretty flexible, not so sure about it scalability | 15:26 |
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| boris-42 | nano no it is not flexible | 15:26 |
| debo_os | have folks done scalabiity tests and posted results somewhere | 15:26 |
| boris-42 | debo_os we are going to test on real deployments | 15:26 |
| boris-42 | debo_os different approaches | 15:26 |
| boris-42 | debo_os and show results on HK summit | 15:27 |
| n0ano | debo_os, yes/no, bluehost did some work but their environment is unique enough that some people don't think their results apply in general | 15:27 |
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| boris-42 | nano they rewrite half openstack=) | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | n0ano * | 15:27 |
| n0ano | boris-42, indeed | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | by the way they are agree with our approach | 15:28 |
| PhilDay | They also don't really schedule as such - they place onto specific hosts | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1_DRv7it_mwalEZzLy5WO92TJcummpmWL4NWsWf0UWiQ/edit | 15:28 |
| n0ano | boris-42, when you say `real deployments', what kind of scale are you talking about | 15:28 |
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| boris-42 | we would like to test on 10-30k nodes | 15:28 |
| PaulMurray | boris-42 it would be good to know where performance problems are as well as just straight scale measures | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | at least just use case of creating instances | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | ahaha | 15:28 |
| PaulMurray | Is that in your plan? | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | whole openstack is one big botleneck=) | 15:29 |
| PaulMurray | :) | 15:29 |
| PaulMurray | I noticed | 15:29 |
| n0ano | boris-42, now, now :-) | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | first problem are periodic_tasks | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | second scheduler | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | and then we will see=) | 15:29 |
| n0ano | boris-42, indeed, I still need to create a BP to remove the periodic scheduler update, we're in violent agreement there | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | actually we almost finished new version of scheduler | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | DOC is a little bit out of date | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | we are going to store data not locally | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | in scheduler | 15:30 |
| garyk | boris-42: there are a number of bottlenecks and they can be dealt with | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | but in distributed master-master memcached | 15:30 |
| n0ano | more problematic is your idea to remove the DB, there is a significant group of opionion that fan-out to the scheduler is wrong and storing state in the DB is right | 15:30 |
| PhilDay | Is there a BP / review for that work boris-42 ? | 15:31 |
| garyk | the scheduler is certainly one and has a number of shortcomings. i guess it is a process to get this straight. | 15:31 |
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| boris-42 | DB is botleneck | 15:31 |
| garyk | these would be good topis for the up and coming summit | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | there is no fanout | 15:31 |
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| debo_os | sorry I am a scheduler noob ... but is the main issue the central DB and the fact that its embedded into nova | 15:31 |
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| boris-42 | we will produce N/(PERIODIC_TASK_TIME*SCHEDULERS_COUNT) requests to schedulers | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | boris-42: if no fanout, than how all schedulers can get the same compute node's upate? | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | memcached | 15:32 |
| n0ano | so you're replacing the DB with memcached | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | we will use one memchaced for all shceudlers | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | and scheduler will keep all data | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | not nova | 15:32 |
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| PaulMurray | boris-42 what do you mean not nova - is this cheduler outside nova? | 15:33 |
| PhilDay | So running memcached will become a requirement for all Nova installs - or is this an optional new scheduler ? | 15:34 |
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| garyk | boris-42: i am not sure that memcached is a solution. but i think that the design is more importnat than the implementations at the moment | 15:34 |
| PhilDay | (Just thinking that elsewhere memcahce has been an option, not a requirement so far) | 15:34 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay We will implement only for memchached (but you are able to impelemtn realization for others backends) | 15:34 |
| debo_os | boris-42: well memcached or any other distributed low latency DB :) | 15:34 |
| boris-42 | yes | 15:34 |
| boris-42 | debo_os ^ | 15:34 |
| boris-42 | there will be interface | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | with get(), put(), and get_all() methos | 15:35 |
| debo_os | of course | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | you could implement it for mysql even=) | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | but we choose memcached=) | 15:35 |
| PhilDay | So this is an alternative to the filter scheduler - or a new version / replacement for the filter scheduler ? | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | for 1 example | 15:35 |
| debo_os | is there a version build with memcached | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay we are going step by step to change scheduler in next way | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | 1. Remove compute_node_get_all methods, and add one new rpc methods to scheduler, update_node() | 15:36 |
| boris-42 | and use schedulers DB to store all infromation | 15:36 |
| boris-42 | So the mechanism will be the same | 15:36 |
| boris-42 | 2. Cleanup Nova (to remove data from compute_node) | 15:37 |
| boris-42 | and periodic tasks | 15:37 |
| n0ano | so, rather than the compute nodes updating a DB you're going to send the data to a scheduler so it can update the DB - how is that faster | 15:37 |
| boris-42 | Memcahced is faster | 15:37 |
| boris-42 | we will show real results from real big deployment | 15:37 |
| n0ano | and your scheme will work with multiple schedulers? | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | 3. Add more flexibility shceudler.compute_update() could be called from different projects | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | n0ano yes of course | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | 4. Use data from different source, as first cinder | 15:38 |
| n0ano | which means you are doing a fan-out message | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | no | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | fan-out means compute nodes -> all scheduler | 15:39 |
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| PhilDay | So for step 1 the scheduler(s) will still update the existing DB - and then you'll make memcache an optional alternative Db driver for the scheduler ? | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | we are doing compute nodes -> one of the scheduler -> memchacned | 15:39 |
| llu-laptop | boris-42: so other schedulers read from memcached? | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay I mean there will be 3 pathces =) | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | PhilDay baby steps style=) | 15:39 |
| boris-42 | llu-laptop all schedulers are connected to one distributed memcached | 15:40 |
| debo_os | but what state are you planning to store | 15:40 |
| n0ano | you do have the issues of master scheduler dies, who takes over and how do you do the hand off | 15:40 |
| debo_os | for starters it will be a replica of the db state for now, right? | 15:40 |
| PhilDay | Step style is good :-) Just want to also see that steps introduce options rather that force a change in deployment | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | there is no master scheduler | 15:40 |
| debo_os | I think we should have a layer to isolate the scheduler and the state stuff ... then it wont matter | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | debo_os it want metter | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | already | 15:41 |
| n0ano | only one scheduler recieves messages and updates memcached => that's the master | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | We have memcached that is distributed | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | no | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | nano let me describe more carefull | 15:41 |
| debo_os | agree memcache is just the store, rioght .... | 15:41 |
| debo_os | instead of a slow DB u have memcache which could have been redis too or couch | 15:42 |
| debo_os | so the point is why mandate just memcache | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | We have some KEY_VALUE storage | 15:42 |
| n0ano | everybody take a deep breath and pause for a minute | 15:42 |
| debo_os | have a state API | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | 1 KEY_VALUE storage | 15:42 |
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| boris-42 | distributed fast and such things | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | we have A lot of schedulers | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | we have one RPC queue | 15:42 |
| debo_os | ok thats good .. have a pure keyval api and maybe not mandate specific memcache etc | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | for shceudlers | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | all schedulers are getting one by one message from qeueu | 15:43 |
| n0ano | I believe boris-42 has a detailed write up, we gave the link above, may I suggest we all read that write up, understand it, and come back next week to talk about it in detail | 15:43 |
| boris-42 | and update global DB | 15:43 |
| debo_os | do you have a doc with this new design you are doing .... | 15:43 |
| debo_os | yeah | 15:43 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we should update part about using memcahed | 15:43 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano our first variant was without memcached | 15:44 |
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| boris-42 | and fan-out | 15:44 |
| n0ano | what I've hearing is a lot of confusion that, hopefully, is cleared up a bit by the write up | 15:44 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano We will update our DOC soon ok?) not it describes solution with fan-out and without KEY-Value storage | 15:45 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano could I ping you, after we update our doc?) | 15:45 |
| n0ano | that would be good as those are areas that are confusing. | 15:46 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, please do ping me, yes | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | n0ano yeah that was result of common discussion with Mke (from BlueHost) | 15:46 |
| n0ano | this is good area but I want to make sure we can have a productive discussion about it. | 15:47 |
| boris-42 | n0ano sure | 15:47 |
| boris-42 | nods=) | 15:47 |
| n0ano | let's move on (note that everyone needs to do homework before the next meeting :-) | 15:47 |
| PhilDay | Can we all get pinged when the doc is updated ? | 15:47 |
| n0ano | #topic multiple active scheduler policies | 15:47 |
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| n0ano | I don't think we completely finished the discussion last week, were there anymore issues anyone here is concerned about this topic? | 15:48 |
| glikson | we've recently submitted a new patch | 15:48 |
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| glikson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37407/ | 15:49 |
| n0ano | are you getting reviewers :-) | 15:49 |
| glikson | the implementation now is rather different than the original idea, but still.. | 15:49 |
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| glikson | we've got Russell's -2 :-) | 15:49 |
| n0ano | well, that's attention anyway | 15:50 |
| glikson | which he didn't remove yet. hopefully the last patch addressess the main concerns, and we will be able to make progress. | 15:50 |
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| n0ano | how did the implementation change, in a nutshell | 15:50 |
| glikson | now we just specify scheduler options in flavor extra spec | 15:51 |
| glikson | no pre-defined configurations/policies in nova.conf, no association with aggregates.. | 15:51 |
| n0ano | so the user can select scheduler policies that are created by the administrator, I guess that's OK | 15:51 |
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| glikson | so, for example, you can define a flavor with CoreFilter and cpu_allocation_ration=2.0, and another different set of parameters | 15:52 |
| glikson | (yes, "you"=admin") | 15:53 |
| PaulMurray | glikson these things will be visible to users yes? | 15:53 |
| glikson | then, one can use existing AggregateInstanceExtraSpec to map to aggregates | 15:53 |
| glikson | PaulMurray: we are suggesting not to return these properties for non-admin users. | 15:54 |
| PaulMurray | ok, i see | 15:54 |
| n0ano | glikson, how would you do that, flavors are visible to all | 15:54 |
| glikson | n0ano: in the api. the behavior is often different between admin and non-admin, so we added another "if".. | 15:55 |
| glikson | everyone see the flavor | 15:55 |
| glikson | just some of the extra specs are not shown | 15:55 |
| glikson | if you are not an admi | 15:55 |
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| glikson | n | 15:55 |
| PhilDay | There is an APi extension which determines if the extra-spec values are availabel or not - is that enough ? | 15:55 |
| PaulMurray | extra extra specs :) | 15:55 |
| glikson | PhilDay: you mean, all the extra specs? | 15:56 |
| n0ano | ugh, I don't really like that but I'm not going to argue against it, just seems wrong | 15:56 |
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| PaulMurray | Is there some drift going on here.... | 15:56 |
| PaulMurray | I mean are things being used in a way there were not meant to rather | 15:57 |
| PaulMurray | ...in order to fit | 15:57 |
| PhilDay | I didn't say I liked it either :-) Just feels like extra specs might be now being pulled in many different ways | 15:57 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, well, extra specs has always been a catch all but, with the scope applied to the keys, it sort works out OK | 15:57 |
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| n0ano | s/sort/sort of | 15:58 |
| glikson | we are adding namespace to the new keys | 15:58 |
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| n0ano | glikson, you better :-) | 15:58 |
| n0ano | sorry guys but we're coming up to the hour | 15:58 |
| glikson | I am not sure this is the ideal solution -- but this seemed to be the preferred approach from the feedbacks we received | 15:58 |
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| PhilDay | So maybe the extra_spec APi exnesion should be updated to allow the admin to define which namespaces are exposed - rather than it being an all or nothing | 15:59 |
| n0ano | I'd like to thank everyone and we'll talk again next week (feel free to email me with agenda suggestions) | 15:59 |
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| glikson | PhilDay: interesting idea. hopefully our patch will not be blocked until it is implemented :-) | 15:59 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| ayoung | Keystone powers active! | 17:59 |
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| henrynash | engage | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | hi there | 18:00 |
| gyee | ayoung, that a pokemon thing? | 18:00 |
| dolphm | am i in the wrong meeting? | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | gyee, a little bit before pokemon | 18:01 |
| topol | Hi | 18:01 |
| dolphm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
| gyee | he-man | 18:01 |
| ayoung | gyee, even earlier. Child of 1970s bad cartoons. | 18:02 |
| gyee | way out of my demographic | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| topol | what was the 1970 bad cartoon. Ive seen them all | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 6 18:02:34 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: thanks for last week! | 18:02 |
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| fabio | Hi | 18:03 |
| henrynash | dolphm: no | 18:03 |
| henrynash | dolphm: np (!) | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | lol | 18:03 |
| * topol awkward | 18:03 | |
| spzala | Hi! | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | this is turning into a real community effort. | 18:03 |
| dolphm | forgive me, i'm still getting back up to speed :) | 18:03 |
| henrynash | dolphm: (that'l teach me to type with apple pie and custard in one hand) | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: you should use a plate | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: yes, it is a bit gooey | 18:04 |
| dolphm | henrynash: and maybe a desk | 18:04 |
| gyee | henrynash, what's on your *other hand*? :) | 18:04 |
| henrynash | dolphm: bad boy | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | i definitely want to go through havana-3 BP's today, but that can just be open discussion | 18:05 |
| henrynash | gyee: bad boy | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | #topic Critical issues | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical issues (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| ayoung | No critical bugs as of right now | 18:05 |
| dolphm | i'm way behind on triaging new bugs though :( | 18:05 |
| gyee | dolphm, I filed one for auth_token middleware, apparently we are using v2.0 for admin token | 18:06 |
| dolphm | if anyone is aware of an issue that's still New, feel free to mention it | 18:06 |
| dolphm | gyee: link? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I've been doing abit of triage. Please feel free to assign any LDAP based bugs you come across to me, to include stuff on the mixed Identity backend | 18:06 |
| gyee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1207922 | 18:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1207922 in python-keystoneclient "auth_token middleware always use v2.0 to request admin token" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:06 |
| gyee | dolphm, I am about to file another one | 18:06 |
| dolphm | gyee: that's not immediately breaking something though, right? | 18:07 |
| gyee | we should not be using httplib in auth_token middleware anymore as it does not validate server cert | 18:07 |
| gyee | that might be a security issue | 18:07 |
| dolphm | gyee: there's a bug and bp for that already | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | gyee: i think it's assigned to jamielennox | 18:07 |
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| gyee | dolphm, oh ok, that's good | 18:08 |
| ayoung | dolphm, he's working on it, and a lot of client related issues | 18:08 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1 | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, he broke his work up in to a series of reviews. | 18:08 |
| dolphm | i'll assume there's nothing too exciting going on, but again... i had literally 100+ emails from launchpad about bugs when i got back lol | 18:08 |
| ayoung | dolphm, last week I was haranguing the core keystone devs to do more client reviews | 18:08 |
| ayoung | so y'all consider yourselves re-harangued: do more client reviews | 18:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thanks! the client should really get more of everyone's attention than it does | 18:09 |
| gyee | yes absolutely | 18:09 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so the problem is that I think people don't really understand how the client is put together until they deep dive it | 18:10 |
| * dolphm harangue | 18:10 | |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: thankfully diving into it isn't too bad. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | dolphm, maybe next week we put a few minutes aside for a walk through? | 18:10 |
| topol | ayoung +1 | 18:10 |
| dolphm | ayoung: during the meeting? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: +1 | 18:10 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it is the only time we have everyone together. Either then, or a special one off/ | 18:11 |
| topol | I have a callin number. would we use that? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i'd think a special one off might be easier. | 18:11 |
| ayoung | I think it might be time well spent. And, morganfainberg is right, it isn't that bad | 18:11 |
| topol | or is it an irc based walkthrough? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: we can setup webex/g2meeting or something with audio as well, might help. | 18:11 |
| ayoung | topol, I think IRC would be sufficient | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | sure, if someone wants to coordinate something, this would be the best place to promote it, but i'm not sure it's the best venue to conduct it | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | i'll defer if you think IRC is suffcient though | 18:11 |
| ayoung | I'm partial to elluminate myself | 18:11 |
| * dolphm always happy to answer questions on irc | 18:12 | |
| ayoung | dolphm, cool, put down an action item and I'll try to arrainge | 18:12 |
| gyee | com'on ppl, topol is offering his bridge | 18:12 |
| dolphm | #action ayoung to coordinate client walkthrough | 18:12 |
| gyee | take advantage of it! | 18:12 |
| topol | gyee +1 | 18:12 |
| ayoung | ideally, we would get jamielennox there, which makes it a little late for the Europe folks | 18:12 |
| dolphm | #action topol to make bridges | 18:12 |
| stevemar | topol, gyee +1 | 18:12 |
| gyee | for one, I like to hear ayoung's voice | 18:12 |
| ayoung | gyee, you lie | 18:12 |
| gyee | make sure his real | 18:12 |
| * ayoung lies too | 18:12 | |
| morganfainberg | gyee: lol | 18:12 |
| dolphm | what's jamielennox's time zone? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, brisbane australia | 18:13 |
| dolphm | oh wow | 18:13 |
| topol | do we want a web conference as well or just abridge? | 18:13 |
| bknudson | record it and then we can watch it whenever | 18:13 |
| ayoung | 4:13 AM for him right now | 18:13 |
| dolphm | bknudson: +1 | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: +1 | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: +1 | 18:13 |
| dolphm | (who put bp notifications on the agenda?) | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | me | 18:13 |
| dolphm | #topic bp notifications | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp notifications (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:14 | |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/notifications | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | Got keystone running in apache per ayoung and bknudson notes. Pulled in the latest olso notifier and dependencies. Applied the logging fix to remove eventlet issues in keystone/openstack/common/local.py. Applied notifications module and tested with tenants on CUD, first step, tested with log notifier, then tested with rpc notifier. Applied a patch to https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/rpc/amqp. | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm, with the exception of henrynash I think we are all US eastern or later. Our team meets at 5:30 PM on Modnay, and he can make that meeting | 18:14 |
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| lbragstad | the short of it.. the current olso notification implementation works in keystone apache httpd | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | for tenant create, update, and delete | 18:14 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, nice | 18:14 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: yay! | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: nice. | 18:14 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: is the code posted for review? | 18:15 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, do I need to remove a -2 somewhere then? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: should notifications be targetted at havana-m3 then? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: probably lol | 18:15 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: * ^ | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | no, it's strung together in like 6 commits on my local branches | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | I have to fix something i Oslo | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | in oslo | 18:15 |
| dolphm | i guess https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/unified-logging-in-keystone should be targetted first | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: correct | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | that *needs* to be fixed | 18:15 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: is that a realistic goal? | 18:16 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, are you planning on submitting them as 6 commits, or squashing? | 18:16 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: one or both for m3 | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | I am going to have to clean them up and submit them individually | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | We have a month. THat should be realistic, assuming Oslo moves, and they are pretty responsive. | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | grabbing alink | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | assuming we can be officially unblocked by oslo | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | here is part of it *( the logging fix) | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39934/ | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | that implements unified logging for kestyone using the fix for local.py that removes the eventlet dependency | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | from there, we can sync with the notifier in oslo | 18:17 |
| dolphm | sweet | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | and then I can push the notification module/tests/implementation as a commit on it's own | 18:18 |
| bknudson | I think there are 3 reviews now pulling in the same stuff from oslo | 18:18 |
| ayoung | OK, recommend we target this for H3, then | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: yes | 18:18 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: updated bp unified-logging-in-keystone target & impl | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: thank you | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | Ihave to look into the jenkins issue | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | I have some fixes that are in keystone/openstack/common/rpc/amqp.py that need to land in Oslo first | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | I can get started on filing a bug for that later today | 18:19 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: let's leave notification targeted at 'next' until logging is totally complete, then we can see how much time we have | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: ok, that sounds fair | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, henrynash has an interesting review that seems to slip in under the letter of the law for an acceptable feature | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #topic High priority code reviews | 18:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority code reviews (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:20 | |
| dolphm | link em up | 18:20 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/ | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40170/ | 18:20 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/ | 18:20 |
| ayoung | "Implement domain specific Identity backends" | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: henrynash's change is pretty cool. | 18:21 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it has no new API and config file is 100% backwards compat | 18:22 |
| henrynash | so this was already targeted at H3 | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | can we have multiple identity_api providers now? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | bknudson, with 39530, yes | 18:22 |
| bknudson | but the dependency registry only supports a single one? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | please take a look at the config file changes | 18:22 |
| henrynash | but I would like some guidance on the config changes… | 18:23 |
| ayoung | there is some need to push up a cleaner API to the oslo code base, but it supports what we want to do | 18:23 |
| ayoung | there are two options. I'll link | 18:23 |
| henrynash | …the goals is to be able to create new config structure for each instantiated bbackend driver | 18:23 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/11/keystone/common/config.py | 18:23 |
| henrynash | ayoung: do 11 and the most recent | 18:23 |
| ayoung | and | 18:24 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/12/keystone/common/config.py | 18:24 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yep, those are the two | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | ideally, the helper methods like register_cli_int would be on the config object itself | 18:24 |
| ayoung | so we could do | 18:24 |
| ayoung | conf.register_cli_int | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: oslo's config object? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah | 18:25 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: oslo hates that we use those functions at all | 18:25 |
| henrynash | dolphm: so the 2nd link is a version that removes them | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, is version 12 how they want us to do it? | 18:25 |
| gyee | henrynash, look like good stuff at the first glance | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'd ask markmc, and take his advice :) | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | oh we have a review to remove those helper functions? | 18:25 |
| henrynash | dolphmL, while the first one is a version that tries to keep them | 18:25 |
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| henrynash | gyee: thx | 18:26 |
| dolphm | ayoung: henrynash: get markmc on that review! | 18:26 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ok | 18:26 |
| ayoung | added him | 18:26 |
| dolphm | henrynash: thanks | 18:26 |
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| bknudson | I thought the whole point of oslo config is that you could have command-line overrides for all the options. | 18:26 |
| ayoung | bknudson, this is not command line, though | 18:26 |
| bknudson | although I've never tried it. | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: that was my understanding. | 18:26 |
| ayoung | this is multiple config files | 18:26 |
| ayoung | henrynash, care to explain what you are doing in a bit more detail? | 18:27 |
| bknudson | right, the command-line overrides the value in the config file | 18:27 |
| henrynash | sure | 18:27 |
| dolphm | bknudson: in part, yes... and i'm not sure how i would expect CLI options to interact with / override per-domain config | 18:27 |
| henrynash | so we use the identity Manager layer to allow multiplexing of driver backends (e.g, LDAP server 1 for domainA, LDAP sever 3 for domain b, the rest share SQL etc.) | 18:28 |
| * dolphm [X] multiplexing | 18:28 | |
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| dolphm | more checkboxes for marketing | 18:28 |
| gyee | nice | 18:28 |
| henrynash | for each domain that wants its one backend, you create a 'keystone.<domain_name>.comf' file that just contains the config overrides for the domain | 18:28 |
| topol | henrynash, very cool! | 18:29 |
| henrynash | so the manger picks up all those files, creates a new conf structure for each one and inits the request driver withit | 18:29 |
| henrynash | …hence the need to be able to create a separate conf structure (which is where we came into this discusion) | 18:29 |
| ayoung | one possible use of this pattern in the future is multiple SQL datasources | 18:30 |
| gyee | henrynash, besides LDAP, are there any other use case for this? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | henrynash: as long as you can exploit with something dumb like POST /v3/domains {"domain": {"name": "/../../etc/passwd; #"}} | 18:31 |
| henrynash | gyee: well, yes it isn't constrained to ldap….you could have separate SQL drivers if you wanted to keep data in different DBs per domain | 18:31 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: not sure I follow | 18:31 |
| bknudson | do I have to restart Keystone when create domain? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | henrynash: you're reading paths off the file system that are provided by API users | 18:32 |
| dolphm | henrynash: generally that's not a good idea | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, actually, I was thinking that it would be good to be able to split table spaces on module lines, so, say tokens could go into a separate RDBMS than policy or something, too. I think you are setting up a pattern, and I want people to validate that. | 18:32 |
| gyee | dolphm, some injection attack? :) | 18:32 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: if the format was keystone.{domain_id}.conf then the file names would be determined by keystone, and not the API user, and we can all be a lot less paranoid | 18:32 |
| henrynash | dolphm: I toyed with whether it should be domain_id or domain_name | 18:33 |
| dolphm | henrynash: you're also requiring that domain names be encodable in the constraints of the file system... another problem that system-assigned ID's would solve | 18:33 |
| ayoung | keystone.{domain drop table tokens;}.conf | 18:33 |
| * topol just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you | 18:33 | |
| henrynash | dolphm: was just concerned over readability….but I'm oK with Ids | 18:34 |
| henrynash | bknudson: yes, that is an issue | 18:34 |
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| henrynash | bknduson: I was going to have a separate extension that provided a new API call to re-init a domain…and have that called by keystone-manage | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: i certainly understand the readability issue | 18:35 |
| henrynash | bknudson: that would be the only extension bit of this… | 18:35 |
| bknudson | not a big concern since this requires config option. | 18:35 |
| topol | when would re-init get called? | 18:35 |
| dolphm | henrynash: init? | 18:35 |
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| henrynash | topol: so today, it's a keystone restart | 18:35 |
| topol | yep | 18:35 |
| henrynash | dolphm: yes, the manager init | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: oh to initialize drivers and whatnot | 18:35 |
| topol | and in the future? | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: normally that wouldn't be done through a web api | 18:36 |
| henrynash | topol: so I thought for now we might allow keystone-mange to have a "domain-init" function? | 18:36 |
| henrynash | dolplhm: open to how best to do that | 18:36 |
| topol | henrynash, OK | 18:36 |
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| gyee | henrynash, more fun when we have the need to support nested domains? | 18:37 |
| henrynash | dolphm: on the domain_name vs domain_id issue, I also thought that anyone using external serves like LDAP etc. would likely have good domain names | 18:37 |
| ayoung | domain is in the assignments backend. It is OK to modify that to have additional information about the domains config | 18:37 |
| topol | nested domains, we have a use case for that??? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i'd make sure it's an issue with people actually deploying keystone before you pursue some complicated proprietary solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist :( | 18:38 |
| henrynash | gyee: hmm, indeed :-) | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | gyee is instigating | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: domains all the way down? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | henrynash: restarting a keystone process to pick up new config isn't unreasonable | 18:38 |
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| topol | dolphm +1 | 18:38 |
| henrynash | dolphm: that's what you have today out of the box | 18:38 |
| topol | (until someone complains :-) ) | 18:38 |
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| dolphm | topol: +1 | 18:39 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-3 | 18:39 |
| ayoung | Do bug triage | 18:39 |
| henrynash | i raised the issue on the agenda of the migration being proposed to fix the credentials index? | 18:40 |
| * dolphm will do | 18:40 | |
| bknudson | server never supported paging, so suggest removing it from spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39828/ | 18:40 |
| dolphm | #action dolphm to triage all the bugs | 18:40 |
| fabio | dolphm, regarding OS-EP-FILTER | 18:40 |
| dolphm | bknudson: thanks! | 18:40 |
| fabio | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33118/ | 18:40 |
| henrynash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40170/ | 18:41 |
| bknudson | henrynash: that review is mysql-only | 18:41 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that is not just for you | 18:41 |
| henrynash | bknduson: err, do you mean sqlite? | 18:41 |
| bknudson | if migrate_engine.name != 'mysql': return | 18:41 |
| bknudson | so it only runs if mysql | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: aww, that'd be appreciated lol | 18:41 |
| ayoung | dolphm, suggestion: for all bugs that are new, assign them to someone on core to verify | 18:41 |
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| henrynash | bknuson: ahh, hmm I thought it was sqllite that was the problem…oh, well | 18:42 |
| topol | (thats got to go: if migrate_engine.name != 'mysql': return ) | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, once we've verified, mark as verified, and then you can triage | 18:42 |
| bknudson | I don't understand why only mysql had this problem. | 18:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: how about subscribing ya'll as appropriate? | 18:42 |
| topol | go away | 18:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and you assign to yourself | 18:42 |
| henrynash | topol : the reaso is that I think it's only broken for one DB type | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I've been grabbing ones | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | mostly around LDAP and identity | 18:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i don't want to assign bugs to only core, as i don't want to block non-core from feeling like they can contribute fixes | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm, fair enough | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: MUCH appreciated | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: like for serious | 18:43 |
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| topol | henrynash, perhaps a comment then metnioning that | 18:43 |
| henrynash | bkudson: I think it was a previous change that removed a constraint, and left an index hanging around…but if that is true for msysql, I agree it should be true for postgres etc. | 18:43 |
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| henrynash | bkundson: confused face in place | 18:44 |
| bknudson | henrynash: once the tests are fixed to verify on all engines, I'll give it a whirl. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think we have 97 bugs open that have no one assigned, if I performed the query correctly | 18:44 |
| ayoung | Oh, some of those have fix committed | 18:45 |
| henrynash | dolphm: my reason to raise it all is that we had said "no more migrations"…do we allow this one if we think it is fixing a real issue? | 18:45 |
| dolphm | henrynash: still planning on working this bp during m3, or should it be untargeted? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pagination-backend-support | 18:45 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: I am planning to attack it next week | 18:45 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it's still a lot of bugs :( | 18:46 |
| dolphm | henrynash: cool, just wanted to check | 18:46 |
| dolphm | henrynash: it's our only 'not started' .. no pressure ;) | 18:46 |
| henrynash | dolphm: :-) | 18:46 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: i'm lost on the context of your question about migrations though | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: as soon as i have a little breathing room on dayjob front, I'll hit some of the bugs i can. | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: what's your dayjob, anyway? | 18:47 |
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| * topol my money's on henynash getting is started :-) | 18:47 | |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: writing openstack code internally for my company. | 18:47 |
| henrynash | dolphm: I thought we had said (maybe I 'm wrong) that we had decided no more sql migrations for H3 | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.importance%3Alist=UNDECIDED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field. | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: i guess i missed that discussion... why not? | 18:47 |
| ayoung | ugh, too long | 18:47 |
| bknudson | if there's no new features then there's no new migrations | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: bit.ly? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, one sec | 18:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: migrations can fix bugs, though | 18:48 |
| henrynash | dolphm: For some reason I thought we were trying to have no DB changes between H2 -> H3 | 18:48 |
| henrynash | dolphm: sounds like I was imagining this… :-) | 18:48 |
| ayoung | http://bit.ly/11KfaLF | 18:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: the ec2 -> credentials migration would be another that wouldn't fit | 18:48 |
| ayoung | Those should be the ones on one has looked at yet: new, undecided priority | 18:49 |
| nachi | dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38367/ | 18:49 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: sounds like something that might happen by coincidence, but i certainly wouldn't -2 any migration review until icehouse or anything | 18:49 |
| dolphm | henrynash: bknudson: check out nachi's review above ^ | 18:50 |
| gyee | dolphm, I am lost, we are saying no new migrations till IceHouse? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so my thought was that extension migrations would go in their own repos, but for core, we would still allow them in the common repo. | 18:50 |
| henrynash | dolphm: Ok, fine…I'll chalk that up to eating too much blue cheese late at night.... | 18:50 |
| dolphm | gyee: no no, i was asking where that notion came from | 18:50 |
| dolphm | gyee: if there was a discussion about it, i missed it is all | 18:50 |
| gyee | dolphm, no, that why I was confused | 18:51 |
| dolphm | i suspect it's something we should take review by review though? | 18:51 |
| gyee | agreed | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that is why I was pushing for the repo split, to make things clearer. But it looks like we are not all of the same mind there. | 18:51 |
| bknudson | I like the repo split | 18:51 |
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| bknudson | if someone wants to use it they'll be able to once the code's in. | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not opposed to splitting the repo, i'm mostly playing devil's advocate there / don't see an immediate benefit | 18:52 |
| fabio | ayoung: is the repo split targeted for m3? | 18:52 |
| bknudson | some people think there should be no extensions. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | bknudson, the one concern that dolphm has voiced that is worth repeating here is that with Alembic, we will end up with multiple steps . | 18:52 |
| dolphm | s/immediate benefit/immediate benefit for anyone but us/ | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | heh, we are going to have extensions. jaypipes is actually going to resubmit his "regions" change as an extension, even after that discussion | 18:53 |
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| jaypipes | indeed. | 18:53 |
| dolphm | ayoung: he hasn't done that though, and i now see why :P | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so, my though was that it lest su split out an extension from the main database. I was thinking | 18:53 |
| ayoung | for something like kds, that may not belon in Keystone lng term | 18:53 |
| gyee | jaypipes, you decided that after a couple of drinks? :) | 18:54 |
| dolphm | i assume he's philosophically opposed to authoring an api extension :) | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no, he is philosophically opposed to wastingtime when a core dev decides to roadblock | 18:54 |
| topol | "couple" -- you are being generous :-) | 18:54 |
| jaypipes | gyee: no, I was always willing to do what what was asked of me... doesn't mean I can't debate it in public though ;) | 18:54 |
| * dolphm <3 open source community spirit | 18:55 | |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so I see the repo split as the logical result of the focus on extensions. It lets us keep separate concerns separate | 18:55 |
| ayoung | and, if we decide that something should be spun off into its own server, we have a way of deploying just that extension...sort of. | 18:56 |
| gyee | ayoung, speaking of that, shouldn't we be concerned about repo split with henry's separate driver per domain thingy? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | It means that the changes for that extnesion are not intertwined with the migrations for unrelated code/ | 18:56 |
| ayoung | gyee, nope. Doesnt' affect it | 18:56 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes, interesting, how to keystone-manage db_sync with multiple sql backends? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | gyee, his is, right now, only LDAP | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: agree, that's certainly a benefit for devs | 18:57 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i don't want to inconvenience deployers at all in the process though | 18:57 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I was thinking also that we could enable extenstions in the future | 18:57 |
| dolphm | ayoung: when they don't get anything out of it | 18:57 |
| gyee | bknudson, especially if we are using different backends per domain, we have to make sure db_sync work correctly | 18:57 |
| ayoung | so, say KDS becomes a long term supported extension, we make it a default migration when you run db_sync | 18:57 |
| dolphm | gyee: eek, hadn't considered that | 18:58 |
| ayoung | right now, there are no default migrations, but it doesn;t have to stay that way | 18:58 |
| bknudson | gyee: or at least document what you need to do. | 18:58 |
| dolphm | ayoung: what do you mean by default migrations? | 18:58 |
| ayoung | gyee, if we have that, each would have a migrate_version table (or the alembic equivalent) and we would be able to query it to see what it supported | 18:58 |
| bknudson | db_sync --domain xxxx | 18:59 |
| ayoung | dolphm, as of latest patch now db_syn only runs through what is in common | 18:59 |
| ayoung | dolphm, and you suggested that it run through everything | 18:59 |
| gyee | I mean it could get ugly if we are not careful | 18:59 |
| ayoung | I am thinking of a middle ground | 18:59 |
| ayoung | it will run through common, and a list of default support extensions | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | so, in icehouse, if we make an extension supported by default, we will run through its migrations when db_sync is run with no parameters | 19:00 |
| ayoung | dolphm, this way, an extension is really 0 impact if it is not enabled | 19:00 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 6 19:00:43 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-06-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-06-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-08-06-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| jeblair | ci/infra people around? | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | \o | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | (that is a high five) | 19:01 |
| fungi | heyo | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 6 19:01:29 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-30-19.02.html | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | jeblair has super exciting news I think | 19:02 |
| * fungi thinks so too | 19:02 | |
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| jeblair | that's a slightly stale agenda, but i think we can work with it | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #topic asterisk | 19:03 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:03 |
| jlk | o/ | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | it's probably not worth calling in again, as i'm not sure anyone has had a chance to identify causes/solutions to the high cpu from transcoding we saw... | 19:04 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I haven't seen any puppet changes to address that | 19:04 |
| clarkb | there was one small change to deal with NAT better but I doubt that is related | 19:04 |
| jeblair | russellb: i haven't had a chance to look into it, have you? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | pabelanger isn't around :( | 19:04 |
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| russellb | jeblair: i haven't touched it | 19:05 |
| russellb | clarkb: not realted | 19:05 |
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| russellb | that was related to me helping someone get their local PBX behind NAT working | 19:05 |
| russellb | i don't think we know that it's transcoding specifically, and not just the cost of running the conference bridge | 19:05 |
| russellb | i don't think we had monitoring set up last week? so would be worth doing it again once we have a graph to look at i guess | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=39 | 19:07 |
| russellb | awesome | 19:07 |
| fungi | did we possibly under-size the vm? we can always grow it to the next flavor up if needed, i expect | 19:08 |
| fungi | but we'll obviously want to observe its performance under load | 19:08 |
| russellb | i don't see CPU on there | 19:08 |
| clarkb | should we call in again to get some numbers in cacti? | 19:08 |
| clarkb | russellb: second page | 19:08 |
| russellb | oops :) | 19:08 |
| jeblair | (or set "graphs per page" to a high number at the top) | 19:08 |
| fungi | where "high number" is i excess of the ~25 graphs currently generated | 19:09 |
| jeblair | that's 5 min intervals | 19:09 |
| jeblair | let's aim for calling in again next week | 19:10 |
| clarkb | ok | 19:10 |
| * russellb is in now in case anyone wants to call in and idle for a bit | 19:10 | |
| jeblair | oh, or we could do it now. :) | 19:11 |
| russellb | should see if we can get a graph of number of calls on here too | 19:11 |
| russellb | i'm in bridge 6000 | 19:11 |
| fungi | what's the did again? | 19:11 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing | 19:11 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing | 19:11 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:11 |
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| russellb | i couldn't figure out how to mute my other client, lol. | 19:13 |
| russellb | sorry. | 19:13 |
| * mordred not calling in beause he's in brazil. btw | 19:13 | |
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| jeblair | mordred: you could try SIP :) | 19:14 |
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| fungi | so we presumably want to load the pbx for a good 10 minutes to get a decent snmp sample period | 19:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah | 19:16 |
| jeblair | so while that's going on... | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | #topic Multiple Jenkins masters (jeblair) | 19:17 |
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| fungi | yes! | 19:17 |
| jeblair | we have them! | 19:17 |
| clarkb | \o/ | 19:17 |
| fungi | several! | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | all of the test load should now be on jenkins01 and jenkins02 | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | while jenkins is running the jobs on the special slaves | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | this is going to be a big help in that we can scale out jenkins with our test load | 19:18 |
| fungi | i've seen no problem reports which seem attributable to the change | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | (from an overall system pov, we've moved the bottleneck/spof to zuul, but there's a logical bottleneck there in terms of having a single logical gate) | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | next i'm going to be working on devstack-gate reliability, and then speed improvements | 19:21 |
| fungi | i haven't looked back at the resource graphs for zuul recently to see whether that's creeping upward | 19:22 |
| jeblair | it seems to be keeping up with gerrit changes, etc | 19:22 |
| jeblair | i think the new scheduler there did a lot to help that | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | so, completely unscientifically, now that we're spreading the load out a bit, it seems as if jenkins itself is able to keep up with the devstack-gate turnover better. | 19:23 |
| * mordred bows down to jeblair and the jenkinses | 19:23 | |
| fungi | cpu and load average look fine on zuul | 19:23 |
| jeblair | at least, when i've looked, the inprogress and complete jobs are finishing quickly | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #topic Requirements and mirrors (mordred) | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | and we can upgrade jenkins eith zero downtime :) | 19:24 |
| jeblair | mordred, fungi: updates on that? | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes! i hope to do that soon! | 19:24 |
| mordred | well... we've goten somewhere | 19:25 |
| fungi | oops, i hung up on the pbx | 19:25 |
| mordred | devstack is now updating all projects requirements to match openstack/requirements | 19:25 |
| mordred | before installing them | 19:25 |
| mordred | and requirements is now gated on devstack | 19:25 |
| mordred | so that's super exciting | 19:25 |
| fungi | anyway, i've tried and scrapped about three different designs for separate-branch mirrors and settled on one i think should work | 19:26 |
| mordred | woot | 19:26 |
| fungi | i've got a wip patch for the job additions up right now while i hammer out the jeepyb run-mirror.py addition | 19:26 |
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| fungi | i still don't have good ideas got bootstrapping new branches of openstack/requirements to the mirror without manualintervention | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | fungi: is listing the branches in the requirements repo not sufficient? | 19:27 |
| fungi | and what to do with milestone-proposed periods | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | milestone proposed belongs to the parent branch right? | 19:28 |
| fungi | clarkb: well, if we branch requirements for a new release, we want the mirror to already be there so tests will run, right? | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | fungi: yes, we can branch requirements first though | 19:29 |
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| fungi | so do we rename the mirrors in place, or duplicate them, or play with symlinks during transitions or... | 19:29 |
| mordred | I'm not sure we should ever have a milestone-proposed requirements, should we? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I think we can duplicate. It is easy, pip cahce prevents it from being super slow | 19:29 |
| clarkb | and python packages are small | 19:29 |
| mordred | can we do failover-to-master ? or is that crazy | 19:29 |
| fungi | mordred: not so much a milestone-proposed requirements, but what do we gate nova milestone-proposed against? master? havana? | 19:29 |
| mordred | fungi: gotcha | 19:30 |
| fungi | thinking mostly in terms of which mirror to use in integration tests around release time | 19:30 |
| mordred | yah | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | mordred: particularly since devstack forces the requirements now, the m-p branch of code will either use what's in requirements/m-p or requirements/master | 19:30 |
| fungi | so anyway, i'll get the bare functionality up first and then we can iterate over release-time corner cases for the automation | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | mordred: if we don't branch requirements, then that means master requirements must be frozen during the m-p period | 19:31 |
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| mordred | nod. branching requirments seems sensible | 19:31 |
| jeblair | which i think is counter to what we want m-p for (to keep master open) | 19:31 |
| jeblair | so i think we probably have to branch requirements... | 19:31 |
| mordred | and if we branch it first, then that could trigger the m-p mirror | 19:31 |
| mordred | yeah. I'm on board with that now | 19:31 |
| jeblair | fungi: the act of creating a branch is a ref-updated event that could trigger the run | 19:31 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:31 |
| jeblair | so it should be transparent to the projects as long as requirements is branched first | 19:32 |
| fungi | another point in question here is, once we have requirements-sync enforced on projects, do we need to keep carrying forward the old package versions? | 19:32 |
| jeblair | fungi: we'll want to make sure that the release documentation for the m-p branching process is updated for this. | 19:32 |
| fungi | absolutely | 19:32 |
| jeblair | fungi: it doesn't seem like we do need to carry those. | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | fungi: maybe clean them up after 48/72 hours or something? | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: (to give us a chance to pin them if something breaks) | 19:33 |
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| fungi | i wouldn't think so either, just wanted to make sure i didn't go to extremes to populate new branch mirrors with the contents of the old ones indefinitely | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | we may also need requirements branches for feature branches | 19:35 |
| fungi | cleaning up old packages will be an interesting endeavor as well... especially if different python versions cause different versions of a dependency to get mirrored | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I think it is fair to make feature branches dev against master | 19:35 |
| clarkb | s/master/master requirements/ | 19:36 |
| fungi | so we can't necessarily guarantee that if two versions appear i the mirror, the lower-numbred one should be cleared out | 19:36 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, i don't think there's any rush to do that. if you were mostly asking about carrying existing things to new branches, then i think nbd. | 19:36 |
| clarkb | otherwise you won't be able to sanely test keystone branch foo against everything else master in tempest | 19:36 |
| jeblair | clarkb: the feature branch requirements would see that it is done. | 19:36 |
| fungi | jeblair: that was mostly it. create the new mirror from scratch when the branch happens, vs prepopulating with a copy of the old mirror first | 19:36 |
| clarkb | jeblair: the problem with it is if nova master conflicts with keystone foo | 19:37 |
| jeblair | clarkb: if reqs has feature branches, then devstack will now force the feature reqs to be the deps for all the projects. that will either work or not in the same way as master. | 19:37 |
| clarkb | then all of your testing fails | 19:37 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think the net effect is you end up with something a lot like the master requirements | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, such a requirements change would not be allowed to merge to the feature branch. | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: so that's the system working as intended. | 19:38 |
| clarkb | yup, but the diff between master and foo requirements will be tiny | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: if two openstack projects need updating to work with an updated requirement in the feature branch, then two openstack projects will need that feature branch. | 19:38 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: tiny but important. | 19:38 |
| jeblair | (important enough for you to go through all this hassle to get a new version of something. :) | 19:39 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:39 |
| jeblair | anything else? | 19:39 |
| jeblair | (i really like the way this is heading) | 19:40 |
| jeblair | #topic Gerrit 2.6 upgrade (zaro) | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | we forgot to link zaro's change last meeting (or maybe it wasn't pushed yet) | 19:40 |
| jeblair | zaro: do you have the link to your gerrit patch handy? | 19:40 |
| zaro | yes, give me a min. | 19:41 |
| fungi | zaro: btw i played around with your wip feature poc and it seems to do what we want | 19:41 |
| mordred | I agree | 19:41 |
| fungi | excellent stuff | 19:41 |
| zaro | # link https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/48254 | 19:41 |
| mordred | I like it | 19:41 |
| jeblair | of: [cgit, py3k, git-review, and storyboard], which do we need to talk about at this meeting? | 19:41 |
| zaro | #link https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/48254 | 19:41 |
| zaro | #link https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/48255 | 19:41 |
| zaro | was uploaded for almost a week, no love yet. | 19:42 |
| clarkb | jeblair: cgit and py3k have recent changes | 19:42 |
| fungi | i have py3k and g-r updates, but they're not critical to be covered | 19:42 |
| zaro | so just waiting now.. | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | zaro: should we try and get people to review that change? | 19:43 |
| zaro | i could make a request. | 19:43 |
| clarkb | zaro: I am not sure what their review backlogs look like, but asking in IRC might help | 19:43 |
| zaro | probably mfick | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | zaro: david did have a nit on that second change | 19:43 |
| zaro | he just came back from vacation. | 19:43 |
| jeblair | zaro: very cool | 19:44 |
| zaro | jeblair: was a nit but didn't give a score. | 19:44 |
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| zaro | jeblair: i was waiting for maybe someone else to score before fixing the nit | 19:44 |
| jeblair | zaro: anyway, you might want to update that, and then, yeah, start pestering people. :) | 19:44 |
| zaro | jeblair: ok. will give that a try. | 19:45 |
| jeblair | #topic cgit server status | 19:45 |
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| pleia2 | so, we're pretty close, 2 of the 3 reviews outstanding should be pretty good to go | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | someone keeps scope-creeping at least one of them, sorry. :) | 19:46 |
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| pleia2 | yeah, that's the 3rd :) | 19:46 |
| fungi | pleia2: i see the replication and https changes open... what's the third? | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | fungi: ssl | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | oh | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | I intend on updating my reviews now that there are new patchsets (I believe) | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | fungi: git daemon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36593/ | 19:47 |
| jeblair | pleia2: did we agree https only ? | 19:47 |
| fungi | ahh, yes | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: yeah | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | patched ssl one accordingly | 19:47 |
| jeblair | that seems reasonable to me, fwiw. https (no http) and git:// otherwise. | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:47 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | once these are done there is just cleanup and theming if we want | 19:48 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:48 |
| jeblair | ttx: you may be interested in the "Requirements and mirrors" topic earlier in this meeting | 19:48 |
| mordred | I'd like theming - but I'm fine with that coming later | 19:48 |
| clarkb | yeah, I think right now having performant fetches on centos is more important that theming :) | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | also, I'm flying to philly on thursday for fosscon, so my availability will be travel-spotty as I prep and attend that | 19:48 |
| ttx | jeblair: reading backlog | 19:49 |
| jeblair | ttx: short version: we will probably need to create a m-p branch of the openstack/requirements repo before doing any other project m-p branches. | 19:49 |
| clarkb | pleia2: have fun | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: thanks :) | 19:49 |
| jeblair | #topic Py3k testing support | 19:49 |
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| fungi | we have a couple outstanding moving parts which need to get reviewed | 19:49 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:py3k,n,z | 19:49 |
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| fungi | clark has a patch out there to start non-voting py33 tests on all the clients after those above go in | 19:50 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40323/ | 19:50 |
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| ttx | jeblair: I'll need to do a m-p for swift 1.9.1 tomorrow or thursday morning | 19:50 |
| jeblair | ttx: if it's just for swift, it shouldn't be an issue | 19:51 |
| jeblair | ttx: it only matters if the requirements for master and m-p diverge, which i am certain will not happen for swift. :) | 19:51 |
| jeblair | ttx: so you should be able to ignore it for this, and hopefully we'll have all the machinery in place by h3 | 19:52 |
| ttx | jeblair: ack | 19:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: i will promote those to the top of my queue | 19:52 |
| fungi | jeblair: awesome. thanks | 19:52 |
| fungi | other than that, the projects which are testing on py33 seem to be doing so successfully | 19:52 |
| fungi | not much to add on that topic | 19:53 |
| jeblair | very excited about running py33 tests for the clients, since zul is actually submitting changes there! | 19:53 |
| jeblair | #topic Releasing git-review 1.23 (fungi) | 19:53 |
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| fungi | this was on the agenda just as a quick heads up | 19:53 |
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| mordred | fungi: cool. did we get anywhere with installing the hook differently? | 19:53 |
| mordred | fungi: so that it applies to merge commits too? | 19:54 |
| fungi | we have a contributed patch to convert git-review to pbr | 19:54 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35486/ | 19:54 |
| fungi | and i want to tag a release on the last commit before that | 19:54 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:54 |
| fungi | just so if we have installation problems in the following release for some users, the fallback is as up to date as possible | 19:54 |
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| fungi | i've been using the current tip of master for weeks successfully | 19:55 |
| fungi | have one cosmetic patch i want to cram in and then tag it, probably later this week | 19:55 |
| jeblair | fungi: sounds good | 19:55 |
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| mordred | yup | 19:55 |
| fungi | the pbr change is exciting though, because we have integration tests which depend on that | 19:55 |
| mordred | very exciting | 19:55 |
| jeblair | ah, that's what's holding that up | 19:55 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35104/ | 19:56 |
| jeblair | #topic Storyboard (anteaya) | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard (anteaya) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:56 | |
| fungi | also i want to turn on the tests as no-ops first so we can gate them on themselves | 19:56 |
| jeblair | anteaya: 4 minutes. :( | 19:56 |
| anteaya | hello | 19:56 |
| ttx | hi! | 19:56 |
| anteaya | well most of my questions from last week were answered | 19:56 |
| anteaya | I hadn't set up the db properly | 19:56 |
| anteaya | I have a patch waiting to merge that adds those instructions to the readme | 19:57 |
| * ttx started working on the project group feature today | 19:57 | |
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| anteaya | basically what I do know is that ttx wants to stay with 1.4 django, correct ttx? | 19:57 |
| jeblair | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard,n,z | 19:57 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think both of those changes could use some input from you if you have a min. | 19:57 |
| anteaya | and other than that I am still trying to get the models straight | 19:57 |
| ttx | jeblair: oh. I wasn't notified on those for some reason | 19:58 |
| anteaya | that is about it from me, ttx, anything else | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | ttx: ah, you may need to add it to your watched projects list in gerrit | 19:58 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/projects | 19:58 |
| ttx | doing that right now | 19:58 |
| fungi | ttx: i don't think i've started watching it in gerrit either. good reminder | 19:58 |
| jeblair | (used to happen as part of the lp group sync) | 19:58 |
| mordred | ttx: I personally don't see any reason to stay with 1.4 | 19:59 |
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| mordred | but defer to you | 19:59 |
| clarkb | upgrade to all the new things | 19:59 |
| ttx | no good reason, except that supporting 1.4 is not really causing an issue | 19:59 |
| fungi | oh, and reminder to everyone i'm working from seattle the week of the 18th, then mostly unreachable the week after that | 20:00 |
| anteaya | ttx if I were able to put together a patch to upgrade to 1.5, would you look at it? | 20:00 |
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| ttx | I'm fine with 1.5+ if we end up using something that is only 1.5 :) | 20:00 |
| clarkb | django is tricky because supporting mutliple versions isn't super straightforward aiui | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| mordred | yah - and 1.5.1 is the current release | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 6 20:00:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-06-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-06-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-08-06-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 20:01 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| notmyname | here | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | russellb, jd__, annegentle, mikal, jgriffith, vishy: around ? | 20:01 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 20:01 |
| clayg | woooooo! | 20:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 6 20:01:41 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
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| ttx | FYI Zane Bitter (zaneb) is proxying for shardy | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Our agenda: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
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| ttx | hub_cap should join us in ~30min to discuss Trove so we'll move that to the end | 20:02 |
| mikal | hi | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic New program application: Release cycle management | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/012842.html | 20:03 |
| ttx | (1) Scope, mission statement, how "essential" the effort is to OpenStack | 20:03 |
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| ttx | So... this effort has been present since the beginning but never formalized in any way | 20:03 |
| ttx | For me this is more an alignment thing, to justify for example that it has its own topic at the Design Summit | 20:03 |
| notmyname | does this mean there will be a PTL and elections? | 20:03 |
| ttx | notmyname: yes | 20:04 |
| ttx | notmyname: though the "team members" are just the release team, stable team and VMT, so pretty limited | 20:04 |
| mordred | ttx: who will elect | 20:04 |
| mordred | ah - you answered the question | 20:04 |
| * markmc can't wait to see ttx fight off all the PTL candidates | 20:04 | |
| ttx | team members like any program | 20:04 |
| ttx | markmc: I could use some vacation :) | 20:05 |
| dolphm | on the mission statement -- is it necessary to specify time-based releases? seems like it shouldn't be necessary to change the mission statement if you found it more appropriate to release in some other manner | 20:05 |
| gabrielhurley | that actually answered my question too, which was "who contributes to this program" | 20:05 |
| markmc | ttx, tough :) | 20:05 |
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| jgriffith | o/ | 20:05 |
| mordred | dolphm: ++ | 20:05 |
| annegentle | +1 to dolphm | 20:05 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: note that I punt on the ATC issue by saying that all team members should be ATC by contributing to another project anyway | 20:05 |
| ttx | dolphm: +1 | 20:05 |
| notmyname | dolphm: +1 | 20:05 |
| * ttx redacts mission statement | 20:06 | |
| markmc | would a switch away from time-based releases be something we'd want TC approval on? | 20:06 |
| mikal | markmc: I would hope so | 20:06 |
| gabrielhurley | gonna go with yes | 20:06 |
| annegentle | ttx: are you precluding the possibility of a security program? | 20:07 |
| ttx | markmc: good point, so baking it in the mission statement is a way to ensure that it is | 20:07 |
| mordred | I'd say that we'd probably go to the TC whether it's in your mission statement or not | 20:07 |
| ttx | annegentle: define security program | 20:07 |
| markwash | mordred: +1 | 20:07 |
| mordred | basically, beause ttx would say "time releases suck now" and _someone_ would disagree | 20:07 |
| mordred | and raise the issue | 20:07 |
| ttx | """To organize the release cycle and the work necessary to produce coordinated releases of the integrated components of | 20:07 |
| ttx | OpenStack. To collect bugfix backports and produce stable point releases | 20:07 |
| ttx | for the previously-released branch. To coordinate the publication of | 20:07 |
| ttx | security patches and advisories (OSSA) for security-supported branches.""" | 20:07 |
| mordred | or - NOBODY would dissent at all, in which case lazy consensus would be reached | 20:08 |
| notmyname | ttx: +1 | 20:08 |
| mordred | I doubt the second would happen :) | 20:08 |
| zaneb | I think markmc's point was that it doesn't matter if it's baked in to the mission statement, because it would have to come back in front of the TC anyway | 20:08 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:08 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:08 |
| annegentle | ttx: I'm thinking that by taking "Too coordinate the publication of security patches..." under the release program you'd take away a mission statement for a future possible security program? | 20:08 |
| ttx | zaneb: or I would run with it but someone would notice and complain to the TC, which ends up the same | 20:08 |
| notmyname | ttx: how does a new contributor join the release cycle management team? | 20:08 |
| dolphm | ttx: ++ | 20:09 |
| ttx | annegentle: yes. If we decide the VMT is a separate program we would edit the current statement | 20:09 |
| annegentle | ttx: ok | 20:10 |
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| * mordred thinks VMT is an aspect of release management | 20:10 | |
| ttx | notmyname: by becoming a VMT member or by becoming a release manager for a stable release | 20:10 |
| mordred | because it's related to the long-term life of a release | 20:10 |
| ttx | notmyname: the latter case is about volunteering to handle one, like adam_g proved | 20:10 |
| dolphm | mordred: agree, that's what i would assume... i'd have to be convinced otherwise | 20:10 |
| notmyname | ttx: also, if your deliverable is a signed release, where are the signing keys kept and how are they changed? (perhaps off topic for this discussion?) | 20:11 |
| ttx | mordred: it's definitely related to lifecycle, which makes it a not-too-weird addition to the mix | 20:11 |
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| mordred | ttx: can I suggest that volunteering to become a release manager for a stable release at least go through a vote of the people currently in release-core and stable-core ? | 20:11 |
| mordred | not that I think there's likely to be dissent - but it seems like a good decision point | 20:11 |
| ttx | notmyname: it's always been signed using a personal key | 20:11 |
| mordred | notmyname: we've been discussing an openstack keyring | 20:12 |
| mordred | notmyname: of keys used for releases | 20:12 |
| mordred | potentially requiring key being keysigned by other folks | 20:12 |
| ttx | mordred: what problem are you trying to solve with approving stable release managers ? | 20:12 |
| mordred | ttx: who says yes when someone volunteers | 20:13 |
| ttx | mordred: currently, the PTL of the program (me) | 20:13 |
| mordred | or, more importantly, who says no if someone really crazy/inappropriate does | 20:13 |
| mordred | none of the rest of our programs appoint people to positions by ptl fiat | 20:13 |
| ttx | mordred: err.. core members ? | 20:14 |
| ttx | mordred: there is much more power in controlling infra-core than a stable release coordinator :) | 20:14 |
| ttx | which just herds cats | 20:14 |
| mordred | I don't feel strongly about it - you're obviously doing a great job ... | 20:14 |
| ttx | mordred: ptls appoint core members. It's about the same. | 20:15 |
| mordred | I'm just bringing it up as a point to thikn about | 20:15 |
| notmyname | mordred: technically, aren't core members appointed by the PTL. by social convention it's done after a group consensus | 20:15 |
| mordred | they do not | 20:15 |
| mordred | really? crazy | 20:15 |
| mordred | I have always seen core members vote on other core members | 20:15 |
| notmyname | mordred: ie, I'm the one who actually clicks the button | 20:15 |
| gabrielhurley | the vote is often pro forma | 20:15 |
| mikal | mordred: it varies by project | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred: not all projects use the group consensus thing | 20:15 |
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| mordred | k. good to know | 20:15 |
| * mordred stands correct | 20:15 | |
| mordred | corrected | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred: anyway, I would certainly also use group consensus, but that doesn't answer your question | 20:15 |
| jeblair | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/CoreDevProcess | 20:16 |
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| jeblair | is there a written process that contradicts that? | 20:16 |
| ttx | jeblair: this was overruled when we saud the PTLs has ultimate control over his project. | 20:16 |
| jeblair | sounds like a reach | 20:17 |
| gabrielhurley | "his or her project". we're not biased here... | 20:17 |
| notmyname | different discussion for a different time? | 20:17 |
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| mordred | notmyname: ++ | 20:17 |
| ttx | jeblair: anyway, that's another discussion, I'm fine withusing the same rule as coredev for stable release dudes | 20:17 |
| markwash | ttx enjoy waiting 90 days to appoint anyone! | 20:18 |
| ttx | hahaha | 20:18 |
| ttx | (2) Team/effort/community maturity | 20:18 |
| ttx | The only remark I have on that side is that it's more the result of the grouping of 3 different teams | 20:18 |
| ttx | But with a common focus around branches, release cycle and stable branch maintenance policies | 20:18 |
| ttx | Any question on that part ? | 20:18 |
| mordred | nope. makes sense to me | 20:19 |
| ttx | fwiw I don't expect anything to change, it's just formilizing a bit | 20:19 |
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| notmyname | ttx: how does this affect your personal participation on the TC? ie you were directly elected previously. now by virtue of PTL | 20:20 |
| ttx | formalizing* | 20:20 |
| ttx | notmyname: with the new election model we are all elected | 20:20 |
| notmyname | after the next elections. ok | 20:20 |
| ttx | doesn't change the current tc | 20:20 |
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| ttx | (we didn't add the recent program ptls) | 20:20 |
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| ttx | OK, ready to vote ? | 20:21 |
| ttx | any more questions ? | 20:21 |
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| annegentle | ttx: did we ever formalize how the TC chair is placed? | 20:21 |
| russellb | not a question, but a comment, ttx: thanks for doing such an awesome job with this area of the project :-) | 20:21 |
| ttx | annegentle: it's baked in the bylaws actually | 20:21 |
| annegentle | ttx: ok I didn't find it with a quick search but that's ok | 20:21 |
| ttx | annegentle: though there is a lack of clarity at one point | 20:22 |
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| ttx | annegentle: i.e. the bylaws tend to say we don't even have to run new chair elections until the previous chair is formally removed | 20:22 |
| zaneb | annegentle: everyone takes a giant step backwards, and whoever is slowest gets stuck with it | 20:22 |
| ttx | while the TC charter says we should designate someone | 20:22 |
| annegentle | zaneb: :) | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ttx: yeah ok I see that, not a topic for today though | 20:23 |
| ttx | to solve that we'll probably choose the chair again after the TC elections, just in case someone else wants the fun of handling those meetings | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ttx: :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | ok, vote ? | 20:24 |
| annegentle | ttx: ok ready | 20:24 |
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| ttx | #startvote Accept release cycle mgmt as an official OpenStack program? yes, no, abstain | 20:24 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Accept release cycle mgmt as an official OpenStack program? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:24 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:24 |
| markmc | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| dolphm | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| annegentle | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| mikal | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| ttx | #vote abstain | 20:24 |
| zaneb | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| markmcclain | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| notmyname | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| markwash | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| gabrielhurley | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| ttx | 30 more seconds | 20:24 |
| wolfdreamer | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:25 |
| notmyname | ttx: nice swap where you are the one abstaining and I'm in the majority ;-) | 20:25 |
| mordred | #vote yes | 20:25 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:25 |
| openstack | Voted on "Accept release cycle mgmt as an official OpenStack program?" Results are | 20:25 |
| openstack | yes (14): markmc, zaneb, notmyname, annegentle, jd__, russellb, markwash, mikal, mordred, gabrielhurley, wolfdreamer, dolphm, jgriffith, markmcclain | 20:25 |
| openstack | abstain (1): ttx | 20:25 |
| ttx | notmyname: heh | 20:25 |
| ttx | awesome, thx everyone | 20:25 |
| ttx | do we have hub_cap yet ? | 20:25 |
| ttx | looks like we don't, so let's do some open discussion | 20:26 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:26 |
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| ttx | Wanted to raise the question of schedule for the end-of-cycle graduation review. | 20:26 |
| ttx | That needs to be completed by September 20, which is when the program PTL elections begin | 20:26 |
| ttx | So I think we can schedule the review for September 3 and 10 | 20:26 |
| ttx | With September 17 as a backup date in case the discussion is longer than expected | 20:26 |
| notmyname | what's the release date for havana? | 20:27 |
| ttx | Should be enough for the two things we have in incubation at this point. | 20:27 |
| annegentle | notmyname: Oct 17 | 20:27 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 20:27 |
| notmyname | annegentle: thansk | 20:27 |
| notmyname | russellb: ditto | 20:27 |
| ttx | fwiw ptl nomination would be sep 20-26, election Sep 27-Oct 3 | 20:27 |
| ttx | tc nomination Oct 4-10, election Oct 11-&7 | 20:28 |
| annegentle | ttx: without the "What is core" process framed out can we meet Sep 3 and 10? Or is that the point? | 20:28 |
| ttx | 17* | 20:28 |
| ttx | annegentle: we don't care about core in that review | 20:28 |
| ttx | annegentle: we decide on integration on the next reklease cycle | 20:28 |
| markmc | annegentle, recall "integrated" vs "core" status | 20:28 |
| ttx | i.e. are those projects mature enough to be included in the integrated release of icehouse | 20:29 |
| markmc | annegentle, separate things, precisely so we don't have to block on the board deciding stuff | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | ttx: is the PTL nomination date even important now that core PTLs don't affect the TC makeup? | 20:29 |
| annegentle | ttx: markmc: okie doke. Who else is looking for integrated status? | 20:29 |
| zaneb | incubated projects have to run PTL elections regardless | 20:29 |
| ttx | zaneb: that's a good point. The TC charter has the weeks hardcoded | 20:29 |
| ttx | zaneb: we /could/ change that, but I figured knowing who the PTLs are is a good indication for the TC elections | 20:30 |
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| annegentle | zaneb: ttx: I think it's important to keep the dates for the sake of summit plannign? | 20:30 |
| markmc | annegentle, Trove and Ironic ... the currently incubating projects | 20:30 |
| zaneb | yeah, I wasn't suggesting changing it ;) | 20:30 |
| ttx | annegentle: yes, we need the program PTLs elected at least one month before summit | 20:30 |
| ttx | so that they can help with scheduling fun | 20:30 |
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| annegentle | markmc: ok, thanks | 20:31 |
| zaneb | just that it's kind of orthogonal to making graduation decisions | 20:31 |
| ttx | zaneb: oh, I see what you mean, that's a good point | 20:32 |
| ttx | zaneb: we could run the review at the same time we vote for PTLs | 20:32 |
| zaneb | if necessary, yes | 20:32 |
| zaneb | by all means schedule it before | 20:32 |
| zaneb | it doesn't seem like a disaster if it goes over | 20:32 |
| ttx | ack | 20:33 |
| ttx | ok, let's discuss Trove now and go back to open discussion later, time permitting | 20:33 |
| ttx | we have vipul representing hub_cap | 20:33 |
| ttx | #topic Trove scope expansion to NRDB | 20:33 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-July/000314.html | 20:33 |
| ttx | So... while the original Trove incubation request mentioned relational and non-relational DBs, we limited the scope of the accepted incubated project to RDBs | 20:33 |
| ttx | The rationale behind the limitation was that there was no code to show the impact of supporting NRDBs, so we would revisit the scope when that would be less vaporware | 20:34 |
| ttx | Apparently that went faster than expected since a Redis POC is available now | 20:34 |
| ttx | so here we are | 20:34 |
| vipul | ttx: hub_cap has asked me to share this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40239/3 | 20:34 |
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| vipul | this is a POC showing the Redis integration with trove | 20:34 |
| ttx | vipul: thx | 20:34 |
| vipul | and as you will see, it was fairly simple, with no API changes | 20:34 |
| ttx | I looked briefly earlier and it doesn't seem to introduce enough disruption to justify a separate project | 20:34 |
| ttx | My only gripe would be: widening the scope before polishing the current scope | 20:35 |
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| vipul | and there's hub_cap! | 20:35 |
| ttx | ah, here he is | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | heyo | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | did i miss much? /me hasnt checked the logs yet | 20:35 |
| gabrielhurley | on the other hand, better to expand scope before graudation so we get the scope right for the "real" project | 20:35 |
| mordred | vipul, hub_cap: and the idea is that the backend is impl dependent like virt layer in nova? | 20:35 |
| ttx | hub_cap: will paste backlog for you | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | ttx: ill read on eavestdrop | 20:36 |
| mordred | or that a single deploy could have multiple choices | 20:36 |
| mordred | so that auser could say "trove give me a mysql" or "trove give me a redis" | 20:36 |
| ttx | hub_cap: see last lines @ http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2013-08-06.log | 20:36 |
| zaneb | so, one question. Trove, as I understand it, is designed around the user creating and managing database instances (=VMs), and they pay for the number of nova servers they use, right? | 20:36 |
| vipul | A single deploy could support both, through a service_type | 20:36 |
| ttx | only last 3 min | 20:36 |
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| mordred | vipul: great | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | ok perfect up to speed | 20:36 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: +1 | 20:36 |
| mordred | vipul: if that is the case, then I can be on board | 20:37 |
| annegentle | so, conceptually, is this similar to how cinder enables multiple storage vendors, or is it as different as block storage v object storage (nosql v sql) | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | zaneb: that is correct | 20:37 |
| mordred | I just would not like to see a user ask for a database and get a redis when he thought he was going to get a mysql | 20:37 |
| dolphm | annegentle: good analogy | 20:37 |
| vipul | mordred: that is the case as of now, we record the 'type' in the instances table | 20:37 |
| mordred | because, well, thats wierd | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | wait you dont want mongo? all mongo? all the time? | 20:37 |
| mordred | and I cannot imagine that being a workable experience for any cloud end user | 20:37 |
| annegentle | markmc: I think you were going to look into why AWS has their sql and nosql separate? | 20:37 |
| notmyname | hub_cap: in trove can a redis implementation not be implemented as an extension or plugin? if so, would that be a more appropriate path? | 20:38 |
| dolphm | annegentle: ++ | 20:38 |
| dolphm | i'm only concerned about ending up with a complicated api that is trying to solve two very different problems (regardless of whether they are implemented by a single codebase or not) | 20:38 |
| zaneb | hub_cap: ok, thanks. so, it seems like with NoSQL you could also have a model where servers are completely abstracted and you pay by usage (storage + bandwidth) | 20:38 |
| markmc | annegentle, I was? | 20:38 |
| markwash | AWS has a nosql api, and a sql provisioning api | 20:38 |
| markwash | maybe it was this mark | 20:38 |
| * markmc wonders did he black out in a TC meeting :) | 20:38 | |
| hub_cap | notmyname: we have been batting this around somewhat, but as of now they are "backend impls" so to speak | 20:38 |
| zaneb | and if somebody wanted to start that project, I wouldn't want is to turn them away | 20:38 |
| markmc | markwash, ah :) | 20:38 |
| markwash | trove is a provisioning api | 20:38 |
| annegentle | markmc: woops sorry | 20:38 |
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| markwash | it makes sense to provision lots of DBS, no matter what kind of format they talk | 20:38 |
| mordred | right - I tihnk the fact that trove is a provisioning api | 20:38 |
| ttx | dolphm: the API is pretty much the same, looking at the proposed patch | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | zaneb: that could easily be done since we push our own notifications | 20:38 |
| jd__ | so soon Trove will start providing private object storage by deploying Swift instances? :) | 20:38 |
| mordred | and does not try to filter useage | 20:39 |
| mordred | is why I tihnk this is ok | 20:39 |
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| mordred | with the earlier stipulation on sanity | 20:39 |
| markwash | just so long as Trove doesn't become a data api, and stays a provisioning api (for databases) I'm very happy | 20:39 |
| gabrielhurley | markwash: ++ | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | provisioning. always and forever (kippy from napolean voice) | 20:39 |
| markwash | which i think is exactly what is wanted on all sides, so. . nbd | 20:39 |
| jd__ | mordred: +1 | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | we arent in the business of a data api, we let the product do that | 20:40 |
| markwash | markmc: do you think you would "/me blacks out" when you do black out? | 20:40 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:40 |
| dolphm | ttx: agree, which is a great start, but that may evolve in the long run | 20:40 |
| mordred | hub_cap: if you don't expose service_type in the api, I will hunt you down with a large stick | 20:40 |
| ttx | jd__: After "openstack on openstack" we'll have "Swift on Trove" :) | 20:40 |
| annegentle | markwash: lol | 20:40 |
| mordred | markwash:hahaha | 20:40 |
| dolphm | ttx: and i'm not qualified to predict how | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | mordred: so | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | we will absolutely expose it | 20:40 |
| markmc | markwash, I'd hope so - it's the kind of thing you'd want a record of archived | 20:40 |
| markmc | #blackout markmc | 20:40 |
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| hub_cap | but if the service provider wants only 1 service, they can "default" it | 20:40 |
| mordred | hub_cap: but I don't think that's necessarily a TC thing - just that I will personally do that | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | i _only_ want redis, ok we can do that, and u dont have to provide it in the api calls | 20:41 |
| notmyname | hub_cap: but as a provisioning API, why does redis need to be included into the core? and why now? | 20:41 |
| mordred | hub_cap: sure. as long as my api call to a service that has defaulted it that is explicit doesn't error | 20:41 |
| annegentle | hub_cap: only other scenario I can think of is first redis, then what | 20:41 |
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| hub_cap | notmyname: this is less a case of why redis and why _not_ redis so to speak. | 20:41 |
| markmc | what part of troves API limits it to just provisioning databases ? | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | we are trying to expand scope to > RDB's and that includes things like redis | 20:42 |
| notmyname | hub_cap: my perspective is colored by the work red hat is doing to use gluster volumes behind swift. this isn't something that is in swift core | 20:42 |
| ttx | notmyname: we're not really judging the implementation, just blessing that Trove provisions databases, not just SQL ones. | 20:42 |
| markmc | like, could it be extended to provision an NFS server? | 20:42 |
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| hub_cap | markmc:..... | 20:42 |
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| hub_cap | it could, as of now, as as matter of fact i did that in a demo 4 summits ago | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | but | 20:42 |
| markmc | hub_cap, I don't want this, I'm trying to understand what part of troves API makes it specifically a database thing | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | we dont want to be in the business of "we can do every service ever" | 20:43 |
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| ttx | markmc: I was asking myself the same question | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | we will do database services because they all 'more or less' require clustering, backups, constant montioring etc... | 20:43 |
| zaneb | hub_cap: btw memcached comes to mind as something that should be supported also | 20:43 |
| notmyname | hub_cap: what you just said is the answer to "why _not_ redis" | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | zaneb: absolutely | 20:43 |
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| hub_cap | notmyname: ? | 20:43 |
| markmc | hub_cap, sounds like a glusterfs or ceph deployment too | 20:43 |
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| hub_cap | can u elaborate? | 20:44 |
| mordred | oh god. flashbacks to the brian aker v. linus torvalds filesystem vs. database discussion | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | annegentle: i believe that haomaiwa_ is working on leveldb, so that could be next | 20:44 |
| notmyname | hub_cap: you asked, why not do redis support earlier. my answer is what you just said: scope expansion isn't a a priori good thing | 20:44 |
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| hub_cap | i see what you are saying notmyname, but i dont think that it creeps the scope of the application | 20:45 |
| notmyname | ttx: so we're being asked to bless what it already does? then what's the point of a vote? it supports X.. (looking for clarity) | 20:45 |
| markmc | it wouldn't need a vote if it didn't :) | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | its just introduces another impl for people to leverage :) | 20:46 |
| ttx | notmyname: at this point it is precluded from accepting that patch because of the scope we blessed | 20:46 |
| markwash | I think the point of a vote is that the wording of the scope needs to change, not necessarily the spirit of it | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | notmyname: ttx: remember in my original "scope of trove" i asked to be both RD/NRD but we limited it due to a lack of impl | 20:46 |
| ttx | hub_cap: yes | 20:46 |
| mordred | yeah - we explicitly asked them to come back to us if they were going to do NRD | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | :) | 20:47 |
| ttx | and so they do | 20:47 |
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| ttx | I'm fine with Trove being about provisioning databases in the large sense, as I think the actions ( clustering, backups, monitoring) are the same concepts in both | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | exactly ttx | 20:48 |
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| jd__ | that question might sounds weird, but if we consider ISC bind as some sort of NRDB, could it be in Trove scope for example? | 20:49 |
| zaneb | inclined to agree, and I assume the mission statement mentions explicitly that it's only about provisioning and not being a data api (DynamoDB-style) | 20:49 |
| ttx | if it were a data API that would of course be different, but it's not | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | never a data api, period | 20:49 |
| zaneb | because I think there's room for a NoSQL data api in OpenStack as well, but obviously this isn't it | 20:49 |
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| russellb | zaneb: indeed | 20:50 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:50 |
| russellb | but that's ok, and provisioning seems reasonable | 20:50 |
| russellb | in trove | 20:50 |
| gabrielhurley | jd__: that'd be a heck of a stretch IMHO, and other projects/programs are more suited to dealing with that | 20:50 |
| ttx | ok, I'm ready to vote | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | +1 gabrielhurley | 20:50 |
| ttx | more questions ? | 20:50 |
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| markwash | we should add something like "and try not to step on anyones toes" to the trove mission statement :-) | 20:50 |
| jd__ | yeah, I just find the definition line very thin | 20:51 |
| markwash | to cover all the crazy cases | 20:51 |
| ttx | jd__: I think you'd want a data API to go with DNS | 20:51 |
| zaneb | russellb: agree, just hope it will be explicit that we are not turning *that* project away, if it arries | 20:51 |
| ttx | jd__: (what designate does) | 20:51 |
| zaneb | arrives | 20:51 |
| annegentle | zaneb: good point | 20:51 |
| russellb | zaneb: +1 | 20:51 |
| jd__ | ttx: probably indeed | 20:51 |
| jd__ | i'm just thinking trove seems to be a service deployment service that wants to limit itself to databases for whatever reason | 20:52 |
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| ttx | jd__: you could argue that clustering and data backup are relevant for more than just DBs | 20:53 |
| zaneb | hub_cap: just looking at the mission statement... would you be willing to consider amending to specifically mention provisioning? | 20:53 |
| mordred | honestly, I'm fine with trove having self-restraint in that area | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | def zaneb | 20:53 |
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| ttx | ok, raise your hand if you have more questions before we vote | 20:53 |
| jd__ | mordred: I guess we can say "you have to start with something" anyway :) | 20:53 |
| mordred | jd__: ++ | 20:53 |
| ttx | #startvote Accept Trove scope expansion to NRDB? yes, no, abstain | 20:54 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Accept Trove scope expansion to NRDB? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:54 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:54 |
| dolphm | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| ttx | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| gabrielhurley | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| markmcclain | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| markwash | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| annegentle | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| zaneb | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| mikal | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| ttx | notmyname: your turn to abstain :) | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | :) | 20:55 |
| markmc | #vote yes | 20:55 |
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| mordred | #vote yes | 20:55 |
| notmyname | #abstain | 20:55 |
| wolfdreamer | #vote yes | 20:55 |
| notmyname | ttx: ;-) | 20:55 |
| ttx | 30 more seconds | 20:55 |
| notmyname | #vote abstain | 20:55 |
| zaneb | fail | 20:55 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:55 |
| openstack | Voted on "Accept Trove scope expansion to NRDB?" Results are | 20:55 |
| openstack | yes (14): markmc, ttx, annegentle, jd__, russellb, wolfdreamer, markwash, mikal, mordred, gabrielhurley, zaneb, dolphm, jgriffith, markmcclain | 20:55 |
| openstack | abstain (1): notmyname | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | thx all! | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | i will amend the mission to include 'provisioning' | 20:56 |
| zaneb | ++ :) | 20:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: btw we said that we would discuss graduation to integrated at the beginning of September | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | and a meme of markwash singing "but i still love provisioning" | 20:56 |
| markwash | +1 | 20:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: just so you know, time is running short :) | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | okey. im good with that | 20:56 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:56 |
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| hub_cap | i feel like we are close to being able to discuss | 20:56 |
| ttx | 4 minutes... | 20:56 |
| ttx | we could discuss "what is core" to death, or have a beer before the release meeting. | 20:57 |
| mordred | beer | 20:57 |
| * hub_cap runs | 20:57 | |
| ttx | mordred: yes, but what does core mean ? | 20:57 |
| * AlanClark smiles | 20:57 | |
| mordred | ttx: beer | 20:57 |
| jkyle | +1 on beer vote | 20:57 |
| dolphm | #vote yes for beer | 20:57 |
| jd__ | core means beer? | 20:57 |
| gabrielhurley | jd__: +1 decided. | 20:58 |
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| mordred | jd__: and beer means core. and corebeer means beercore and beerbeer means corecore | 20:58 |
| * hub_cap head explodes | 20:58 | |
| dolphm | Voted on "core means beer" Results are 100% in favor | 20:58 |
| jd__ | mordred: I see you didn't lose time on that beer :-) | 20:58 |
| markmc | mordred, I imply that resentment | 20:58 |
| ttx | let's quickly make a t-shirt | 20:58 |
| mordred | markmc: :) | 20:58 |
| ttx | awesomesauce. | 20:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 6 20:59:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-08-06-20.01.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-08-06-20.01.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-08-06-20.01.log.html | 20:59 |
| ttx | one minute break | 20:59 |
| ttx | [interlude elevator music] | 20:59 |
| ttx | Hi! | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 21:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| med_ | snort. | 21:00 |
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| russellb | hi | 21:00 |
| jd__ | beer/ | 21:00 |
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| jeblair | jd__: wins | 21:00 |
| ttx | zaneb: proxying for shardy again ? | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:01 |
| zaneb | ttx: stevebaker has volunteered to be in the hot seat for this one | 21:01 |
| stevebaker | me for heat | 21:01 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:01 |
| zaneb | uh, no pun intended | 21:01 |
| ttx | stevebaker: great! | 21:01 |
| zaneb | thanks stevebaker! | 21:01 |
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| stevebaker | l8er | 21:01 |
| ttx | Heat PTL will now be known as "the hot seat" | 21:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | haha | 21:01 |
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| zaneb | lol | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 6 21:01:58 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| mordred | can redhat pay for hot hot heat to play at the summit? | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:02 |
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| ttx | redhot? | 21:02 |
| ttx | I documented the optional FeatureProposalFreeze at: | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:02 |
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| ttx | So far only Nova (Aug 21) and Neutron (Aug 23) declared they would use this | 21:02 |
| ttx | Let me know if you plan to have one and I'll make it appear on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 21:03 |
| dolphm | interesting... | 21:03 |
| ttx | apevec: status for the 2013.1.3 release at this point ? | 21:03 |
| apevec | ttx, on track for Thursday release | 21:03 |
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| apevec | call-for-testing sent to openstack-dev | 21:04 |
| dolphm | ttx: the wiki makes no mention of how the date for this relates to the rest of the cycle? | 21:04 |
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| dolphm | nvm! "generally happens one or two weeks ahead of FeatureFreeze." | 21:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: you pick the date. | 21:04 |
| apevec | no feedback yet, assuming no news==good news | 21:04 |
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| ttx | apevec: no news==no tester in my book | 21:05 |
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| ttx | sdague, annegentle, mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:05 |
| mordred | requirements - requirements are gating now, and devstack is homogenizing them. the list is a little bit behind because we were waiting on gating for it... soon you'll all be getting automatic proposals on requirements updates | 21:05 |
| jeblair | our test jobs are now running on possibly the world's first multi-master jenkins setup! this explains 'jenkins0[12].openstack.org' urls from zuul if you see them. I'll write a blog post later this week. | 21:05 |
| sdague | global requirements is now in devstack | 21:05 |
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| sdague | per mordred's comment ^^^^ | 21:05 |
| jeblair | we'll begin making use of requirements repo branches (eg for stable/) soon (thanks fungi!) | 21:06 |
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| mordred | client libs - setuptools upgrade nightmare is almost over - but it would be really great if everyone could land the recent client lib sync requests and then cut new releases | 21:06 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:06 |
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| mordred | which removes the d2to1 requirement, which will unbreak lots of thigns out in the world | 21:06 |
| sdague | testr for tempest runs is getting close. We'll probably switch to testr single threaded this week for the regular jobs, and the parallel as soon as the races are fixed | 21:06 |
| mordred | sdague: w00t | 21:06 |
| jd__ | mordred: noted | 21:07 |
| sdague | still optimistic we get parallel for h3 | 21:07 |
| ttx | annegentle: anything to report ? | 21:07 |
| jgriffith | mordred: in progress on cinder side | 21:07 |
| annegentle | Just 2 things - 1) Next Tues. is the monthly doc team meeting. | 21:07 |
| annegentle | 2) I've been asked to post my "What's Up Doc?" status report to openstack-docs and openstack-dev, it's basically a roundup of the week (or weeks). Sound okay to cross post? | 21:08 |
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| annegentle | or do I just post to -dev? | 21:08 |
| mordred | jgriffith: thank you | 21:08 |
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| ttx | annegentle: it's fine to cross-post... just make sure you point follow-ups to one list only | 21:09 |
| annegentle | ttx: ah good guidance, thanks | 21:09 |
| ttx | i.e. "please follow-up on $list" | 21:09 |
| fungi | if only more muas supported the mft header | 21:09 |
| ttx | sigh yes | 21:09 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:09 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:09 |
| markmc | yo | 21:09 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:09 |
| markmc | I don't think I've much to report since last week | 21:10 |
| ttx | 40% done, 40% under review, 20% in progress, 0% not started | 21:10 |
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| ttx | Looking good | 21:10 |
| markmc | main thing is I've started porting Nova to oslo.messaging | 21:10 |
| ttx | Would be great to be all done before Nova and Neutron's FeatureProposalFreeze so that the final syncs can get in | 21:10 |
| markmc | so there's reasonable hope oslo.messaging will get done | 21:10 |
| markmc | when is FeatureProposalFreeze? | 21:10 |
| ttx | for Nova (Aug 21) and Neutron (Aug 23) | 21:10 |
| mordred | we added oslo.messaging git head to devstack, but have not added it to the gate | 21:10 |
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| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/39929 - nova port to oslo.messaging | 21:11 |
| mordred | if you're adding it to nova now, should we add it to the gate? | 21:11 |
| markmc | mordred, yep, that's awesome | 21:11 |
| ttx | markmc: trusted-messaging is marked 'Needs code review' but I couldn't find a review about it ? | 21:11 |
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| ttx | I'm becoming a bit skeptical on our ability to deliver such a key feature so late in the cycle, especially while still chasing the key distribution server part | 21:11 |
| markmc | mordred, I promised sdague getting it in the gate is a pre-req for that patch going out of WIP | 21:11 |
| mordred | markmc: cool | 21:11 |
| markmc | ttx, I updated the links in the secure messaging BP a few minutes ago | 21:11 |
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| markmc | ttx, the patches are actually really close now | 21:11 |
| ttx | looking | 21:12 |
| markmc | ttx, several rounds of review, I'm close to being ready to merge the big one | 21:12 |
| * markmc checks on the kds patch | 21:12 | |
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| markmc | hmm, https://review.openstack.org/39350 | 21:13 |
| ttx | markmc: I fear the KDS patch will take time | 21:13 |
| markmc | oh wait, that's ayoung's copy of the patch? | 21:13 |
| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37118/ | 21:13 |
| ttx | right, that one | 21:14 |
| markmc | dunno what to say | 21:14 |
| markmc | I'm not ready to write it off yet | 21:14 |
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| markmc | maybe dolphm is | 21:14 |
| markmc | apart from that, ... | 21:14 |
| ttx | markmc: does it make sense to land anothing in oslo if that's not going in ? | 21:14 |
| ttx | anything* | 21:15 |
| markmc | I just realized I don't know if any new bps have come in lately | 21:15 |
| markmc | don't really know how to start triaging | 21:15 |
| ttx | Given how much post-integration it requires (think: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/use-new-rpc-messsage), time is running short for this on havana | 21:15 |
| ttx | no new stuff apparently | 21:15 |
| markmc | time is running short, yes | 21:16 |
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| ttx | ok, will talk to dolphm in keystone sectin | 21:16 |
| ttx | o | 21:16 |
| ttx | markmc: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:16 |
| markmc | it probably makes sense to merge into oslo-incubator, keystone and then nova | 21:16 |
| markmc | in that order | 21:16 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:16 |
| markmc | if it goes into oslo-incubator and kds doesn't go in, no big deal | 21:16 |
| dolphm | (not sure i have much to add -- haven't been following KDS too closely) | 21:16 |
| ttx | markmc: ack | 21:16 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:16 |
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| ttx | dolphm: hello! | 21:17 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:17 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:17 |
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| ttx | 0% done, 28% under review, 57% in progress, 14% not started | 21:17 |
| ttx | Getting a bit late | 21:17 |
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| ttx | If endpoint-filtering has no assignee it should probably be removed from havana-3 at this point ? | 21:17 |
| dolphm | ah, i can fix that | 21:18 |
| dolphm | it's been making good progress, and an impl is in review | 21:18 |
| ttx | ok, fix assignee and status then | 21:18 |
| ttx | Two proposed blueprints need triaging (priority set): domain-quota-management-and-enforcement and unified-logging-in-keystone | 21:18 |
| ttx | dolphm: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:19 |
| dolphm | yes.. | 21:19 |
| dolphm | i'm definitely interested in pursuing FreatureProposalFreeze for keystone (today is the first i've heard of it) | 21:19 |
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| dolphm | i'll need to discuss with keystone-core and pick a date that makes sense for us | 21:20 |
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| dolphm | but it seems to be a perfect for for keystone | 21:20 |
| ttx | dolphm: was discussed at last summit during the release cycle session | 21:20 |
| dolphm | sad i missed it :( | 21:20 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, just let me know (and communicate to everyone on your blueprints) | 21:20 |
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| dolphm | will do, and that is all from me | 21:20 |
| ttx | Questions anyone ? | 21:21 |
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| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:21 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:21 |
| jd__ | o | 21:21 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:21 |
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| ttx | 14% done, 7% under review, 57% in progress, 21% not started | 21:21 |
| ttx | Not a lot of progress since last week... still feeling lucky ? | 21:21 |
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| jd__ | yes, I've stolen a blueprint from eglynn to make sure we'll make it | 21:22 |
| jd__ | so I'm increasing bandwidth :) | 21:22 |
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| ttx | ...not... sure ...I should be happy with that | 21:22 |
| jd__ | well I say I've stolen, but I won't handle it, sileht will actually :) | 21:23 |
| jd__ | that's the bandwitdh increase | 21:23 |
| ttx | jd__: next week if you don't land stuff we'll definitely need to cut stuff | 21:23 |
| jd__ | ttx: fair enough | 21:23 |
| ttx | jd__: I see, it's your name on it... but your minions are doing it for you :) | 21:23 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:24 |
| jd__ | hehe | 21:24 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:24 |
| jd__ | nop, all good | 21:24 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | hi | 21:24 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:24 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.9.1 | 21:24 |
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| ttx | notmyname: the "missing" patch should be proposed tomorrow before you get up... | 21:24 |
| ttx | That leaves you with the rest of the day to push in whatever else you want and get the changelog aligned | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | ttx: I've got all that ready to go | 21:24 |
| ttx | Then I can cut milestone-proposed and tag rc1 early Thursday morning (or late Wednesday depending on your TZ), if you give me the go-ahead before going to bed | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ttx: I think it will be proposed around 8am pacific tomorrow | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ttx: I'll give you the sha ASAP | 21:25 |
| notmyname | looks like I need to update some LP stuff maybe | 21:25 |
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| ttx | notmyname: then I /might/ be able to cut earlier, we'll see if I can jump on irc during the evening | 21:26 |
| notmyname | and so I guess it's not a secret now that we'll cut 1.9.1 RC tomorrow? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:26 |
| ttx | notmyname: no it's not :) | 21:26 |
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| ttx | notmyname: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ya, one thing | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | SwiftStack is sponsoring a Swift hackathon in October in Austin. Details coming shortly | 21:27 |
| ttx | Cool. Questions about Swift ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:27 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:27 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:27 |
| ttx | WAKE UP | 21:27 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:27 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:27 |
| ttx | 28% done, 14% under review, 42% in progress, 14% not started | 21:28 |
| ttx | This looks on track so far... | 21:28 |
| markwash | but not a ton of improvement since last week | 21:28 |
| ttx | I'm growing a bit worried about async-glance-workers, since it appears to be a prerequisite of new-upload-workflow... what's the status of that ? | 21:28 |
| markwash | so I"ll look at adjusting | 21:28 |
| markwash | a lot of active discussion on async glance workers, if you've seen the ML | 21:28 |
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| markwash | however, I'm not sure folks are quite branch ready | 21:28 |
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| ttx | seen it, it just is a bit late for discussion now :) | 21:28 |
| markwash | so we'll be discussing this week and next to see what we can actually get done now that we see how much still needs to be resolved | 21:29 |
| markwash | ttx: I guess that's why its "high" and not "critical" ;-) | 21:29 |
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| ttx | markwash: if code is not proposed by next week, we'll probably have to skip new-upload-workflow | 21:29 |
| markwash | I agree | 21:29 |
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| ttx | How is api-v2-property-protection progressing ? | 21:29 |
| markwash | a bit better, active coding | 21:29 |
| ttx | NB: glance-tests-code-duplication needs to be triaged | 21:30 |
| ttx | markwash: we still need a python-glanceclient release to ship out the recent security fix | 21:30 |
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| ttx | let me know if I can help you with that | 21:30 |
| markwash | ttx: I know :-( I've been hopelessly derelict, but I've been getting some help recently from @DeanTroyer | 21:30 |
| markwash | and trove docs | 21:30 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:30 |
| markwash | should not be hard, probably just need to feel comfortable writing the commit message | 21:30 |
| markwash | nothing at this time | 21:31 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:31 |
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| ttx | markwash: thx! | 21:31 |
| devananda | question on glanecclient review status | 21:31 |
| ttx | devananda: go for it | 21:31 |
| devananda | anything we can do to facilitate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33327/ being reviewed more actively? | 21:31 |
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| markwash | devananda: I've been in talk with some other glance-core about that recently | 21:32 |
| markwash | I'll add it to the agenda for this weeks glance meeting | 21:32 |
| devananda | thanks :) | 21:32 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:32 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:32 |
| markwash | it would be great if someone could help us with any questions we have | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:32 |
| ttx | Good news is that the neutron gate has been reenabled, thanks to nati_ueno's work | 21:32 |
| ttx | It needs to be closely watched though as it may quickly degrade again (think bug 1208661) | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1208661 in neutron "floating ip exercise fails because IP not available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208661 | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:33 |
| ttx | 23% done, 51% under review, 18% in progress, 6% not started | 21:33 |
| ttx | looks like you might pull it off if you continue to review as fast | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. today's gate brokeness has been slowing us down | 21:34 |
| ttx | Removing a few targets couldn't hurt though: | 21:34 |
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| ttx | like the few "not started" you still have* | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | I'm really close to deferring those | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | I don't think there will be consensus fast enough | 21:34 |
| ttx | ok, do it before next week if there is no movement on those | 21:34 |
| ttx | they are unlikely to make it (but likely to create a disturbance in the review queue when proposed later) | 21:35 |
| ttx | 10 proposed blueprints are still in need of triaging... my suggestion if you accept them is to set most of them to "Low" priority | 21:35 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | will triage them.. nothing new to raise | 21:36 |
| ttx | Questions on Neutron ? | 21:36 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:36 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hola! | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | ttx: hey ya | 21:36 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:36 |
| ttx | 26% done, 6% under review, 46% in progress, 20% not started | 21:36 |
| ttx | Need more code proposed, otherwise there will be a review traffic jam in a few weeks | 21:36 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: already have that :( | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | ttx: but yes | 21:36 |
| ttx | read-only-volumes (Medium) is marked as depending on volume-acl (Low)... if its a true dep, volume-acl should be >=Medium | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: workign on stepping things up | 21:37 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: that's been changed | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: there's a r/o impl under review that doesn't rely on acl | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: trying to resolve some infighting on that one though | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok, I'll remove the dep then | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: thanks | 21:37 |
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| ttx | clone-image-imageid is marked implemented but has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38037/ going on | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'll fix that | 21:38 |
| ttx | thx | 21:38 |
| ttx | fwiw 3 proposed blueprints need triaging: coraid-driver-refactoring-for-havana, cinder-volume-driver-optional-iscsi-support, windows-storage-driver-extended | 21:38 |
| ttx | jgriffith: anything on your mind ? | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: nope, just hitting the rush | 21:39 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:39 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:39 |
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| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | ttx: hold on a sec | 21:39 |
| russellb | hey | 21:39 |
| * russellb holds | 21:39 | |
| * ttx holds | 21:39 | |
| jgriffith | ttx: so the problem is there are multiples of that clone_image | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'll sort out the deltas and update | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | ttx: that's all | 21:40 |
| ttx | ok, thx :) | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | russellb: sorry :) | 21:40 |
| russellb | all good | 21:40 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:40 |
| ttx | 10% done, 30% under review, 59% in progress, 0% not started | 21:40 |
| ttx | Not too bad, but we need more implemented and more under review if you want to hit FeatureProposalFreeze in good shape | 21:40 |
| russellb | i've moved some to low, but more are still coming in | 21:40 |
| russellb | yeah, at least a lot are under review | 21:40 |
| russellb | so hopefully we can do a review push on those in the near term | 21:40 |
| ttx | A few other remarks: | 21:40 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/baremetal-havana looks a bit sketchy | 21:40 |
| ttx | Can't really see what needs to be done there... and it depends on cinder/bare-metal-volumes which is not targeted to any milestone nor assigned to anyone | 21:41 |
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| russellb | ttx: yeah, i can't figure that one out either | 21:41 |
| russellb | ttx: actually, there used to be nova blueprints | 21:42 |
| devananda | i'm not aware of any work on baremetal-volumes | 21:42 |
| russellb | and they all got deferred | 21:42 |
| russellb | devananda: can you look at that nova blueprint and let me know if we should mark it implemented? or what? | 21:42 |
| ttx | russellb: maybe clarify with devananda and remove if not relevant anymore | 21:42 |
| russellb | ttx: ack | 21:42 |
| ttx | in other news I'm not confident that encrypt-cinder-volumes will be unblocked -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30974/ has been stalling forever now | 21:42 |
| devananda | looking | 21:42 |
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| ttx | db-slave-handle seems to be struggling in review too. | 21:42 |
| ttx | (just in case you look for potential defers) | 21:42 |
| russellb | we're pushing db-slave-handle pretty hard, i feel ok about that one | 21:43 |
| russellb | the other ... not as much, especially since it's blocked | 21:43 |
| ttx | Only one blueprint left needing triage db-compute-node-stats-remove | 21:43 |
| russellb | i've been checking in with the cinder encryption owner each week | 21:43 |
| russellb | he seems confident each time, or at least hopeful ... | 21:43 |
| devananda | nova/pxeboot-ports is relevant and in progress, but the going has been very slow. different negative feedback at each turn, since most of the work is in neutron but it does tie into nova | 21:43 |
| ttx | russellb: maybe lower the priority to indicate you have no idea if it will make it | 21:44 |
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| russellb | ttx: ok, will do so | 21:44 |
| devananda | but that's the only nova BP still under the barmetal-havana umbrella. | 21:44 |
| devananda | may be worth just dropping the umbrella since everything else was defferred? | 21:44 |
| russellb | devananda: if it's the only one, maybe we should just cloe the tracker | 21:44 |
| russellb | heh | 21:44 |
| ttx | devananda: yes | 21:44 |
| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:44 |
| russellb | nope, thanks | 21:44 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:45 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: o/ | 21:45 |
| stevebaker | yop | 21:45 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:45 |
| ttx | 32% done, 16% under review, 48% in progress, 4% not started | 21:45 |
| ttx | Same remark as Cinder, not looking too bad but need more code proposed :) | 21:45 |
| ttx | Has work started on multiple-engines yet ? | 21:45 |
| stevebaker | yes, we'll decide on a FeatureProposalFreeze tomorrow, which will give us a new stick to wave | 21:45 |
| ttx | more sticks! | 21:46 |
| stevebaker | I think some multiple-engines pre-work has happened, but will confirm tomorrow if it has a chance | 21:46 |
| ttx | Is there more to be done on watch-ceilometer ? | 21:46 |
| stevebaker | we could force-defer some bps, but possibly not without offending some first contributors | 21:46 |
| ttx | got reviews linked but all landed | 21:46 |
| stevebaker | I think watch-ceilometer still has some mopping up | 21:47 |
| ttx | ok | 21:47 |
| ttx | open-api-dsl (targeted to h3) depends on template-inputes and param-constraints, which have been deferred to 'next' ? | 21:47 |
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| ttx | or is that not a strong dep ? | 21:47 |
| stevebaker | open-api-dsl is a bit if a catch-all anyway. I'll discuss with randal tomorrow | 21:48 |
| ttx | it's better to have actionable bits as blueprints | 21:48 |
| ttx | themes and catch-alls don't work very well when it comes to "landing" them | 21:48 |
| ttx | heat-trusts looks in jeopardy with delegation-impersonation-support not being completed yet | 21:48 |
| stevebaker | yes, that one needs to be more fine-grained | 21:48 |
| ttx | but I guess that's shardyland | 21:49 |
| stevebaker | indeed it is, i believe there are some keystoneclient reviews in | 21:49 |
| ttx | as a general rule of thumb, stuff depending on other projects don't work very well in te last milestone of the cycle | 21:49 |
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| ttx | it's better to nail them all by X-2 | 21:50 |
| stevebaker | yeah | 21:50 |
| ttx | because in X-3 everyone has their own cats to care for | 21:50 |
| ttx | stevebaker: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:50 |
| stevebaker | At least FeatureProposalFreeze gives us a concrete date to make defer decisions | 21:50 |
| stevebaker | that is it I think | 21:51 |
| ttx | right, let me know your chosen date and I'll document it | 21:51 |
| stevebaker | ok | 21:51 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:51 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:51 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:51 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:51 |
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| ttx | 6% done, 43% under review, 37% in progress, 12% not started | 21:51 |
| ttx | Need to make progress on reviews and start landing stuff, otherwise the following weeks will be a bit busy | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | agreed | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | there are definitely some that will start merging this week | 21:52 |
| ttx | didn't have anything special scaring me though. | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | the openstack-requirements fiasco for django-openstack-auth has been a long road | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | we're at the end though | 21:52 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: indeed. anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | not this week. I'll start clamping down on things next week | 21:53 |
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| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:53 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:53 |
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| ttx | hub_cap, devananda: news, questions ? | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | hello. no news really. got 3 essential bps and 2 are in code review, 1 is heat and will be done by sep1 | 21:54 |
| ttx | hub_cap: how is the heat integration going ? | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | its been siderailed for a while due to onboarding / other work | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | but i expect to pick it up this wk | 21:55 |
| ttx | "will be done by sep1" ok | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | correct :) | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | done _and_ merged | 21:55 |
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| hub_cap | do we have do feature freeze this go round? | 21:55 |
| ttx | heh | 21:55 |
| devananda | ttx: neither here. things are coming along, but nothing deployable yet | 21:55 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you don't *have* to | 21:55 |
| devananda | ttx: i wont be putting in a feature freeze or any such, as it wouldn't make sense for ironic at this point | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | i might after heat lands, lets say sep1 for us | 21:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: it's sep 4 for almost everyone else. | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | oh well i guess im an overachiever | 21:56 |
| ttx | (feature freeze) | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | sep4 it is! | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | so feature freeze is 1 day before h3 is cut? | 21:57 |
| ttx | feature proposal freeze is an extra deadline some projects will use to defer features early | 21:57 |
| ttx | two days before, yes | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | ok cool | 21:57 |
| ttx | we do a friday cut due to some holiday in some country that week | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | put me down for a feature freeze | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | ill take a double shot of freeze plz | 21:57 |
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| ttx | "Sep 2Labor Day" | 21:58 |
| med_ | US Holiday at least | 21:58 |
| ttx | "feature freeze" should be the name of a cocktail. | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | def | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | lets make it so at HK | 21:59 |
| med_ | Mike's Hard Feature Freeze | 21:59 |
| ttx | ok, if you don't have more questions we'll close now | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | just hugs | 21:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 6 21:59:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-06-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-06-21.01.txt | 21:59 |
| ttx | thx everyone ! | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-08-06-21.01.log.html | 21:59 |
| med_ | thanks ttx | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | Hey Horizon folks. I'm actually booked for another meeting currently, so I probably shouldn't run this one. If anyone else would like to volunteer, the startmeeting, endmeeting and topic commands are about all you need to know. | 22:01 |
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| david-lyle | just #startmeeting or topic too? | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | just #startmeeting horizon | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 6 22:02:29 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | There we go | 22:02 |
| jcoufal | nice david-lyle | 22:02 |
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| jcoufal | hey everybody | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | I do have one note, which is that if you've heard about the new CRIME/BREACH security news today the short version is that yes, Horizon is vulnerable along with most of the rest of the web, but that there's not much we can immediately do. Best thing to do for now is just to add some info on disabling gzip body compression to the docs. | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | I can go into more detail later, or may send something to the list | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | the scope/scale of the attack is still somewhat limited for django-based apps, thankfully | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | at best you can compromise one session for the duration of that session, and there are *lots* of ways to steal a token in OpenStack currently (sadly) | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | that's about it for me | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll lurk, but I leave the meeting to y'all | 22:04 |
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| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: could you send more info into the list? | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | sure | 22:05 |
| jcoufal | thanks | 22:06 |
| david-lyle | #topic Blueprints | 22:06 |
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| jpich | jcoufal: fyr: https://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2013/aug/06/breach-and-django/ | 22:06 |
| jcoufal | jpich: oh, thank you, this is useful | 22:07 |
| david-lyle | thanks jpich | 22:07 |
| Vasiliy | Hi all! Also please take a look at new blueprint - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/boot-from-volume-type-image | 22:07 |
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| Vasiliy | it's small implementation of new Nova feature | 22:07 |
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| jcoufal | I have few blueprints here waiting for approvals | 22:08 |
| jcoufal | one is about navigation enhancements, we already discussed that, but it's waiting for approval: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/navigation-enhancement | 22:09 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: would you be so kind to have a look on it, since you are involved? ^ | 22:09 |
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| david-lyle | jcoufal: sure | 22:10 |
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| jcoufal | david-lyle: thanks | 22:11 |
| lcheng | Update for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/group-role-assignment, I've split this into two patches to make it easier to review. The first patch would be just for refactoring the project-user assignment page. Then the second patch will cover the actual project-group assignment. | 22:11 |
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| kspear | Vasiliy: is that different from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume ? | 22:11 |
| Vasiliy | kspear: let me check | 22:11 |
| kspear | lcheng: thanks for that. will review both asap | 22:11 |
| jcoufal | there are two more new BPs, both are related more to OpenStack Dashboard improvements | 22:12 |
| lcheng | kspear: I haven't submitted the second patch, just in case I need to make some fixes for the first patch. :) | 22:12 |
| jcoufal | Upgrading Twitter Bootstrap to v3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-update | 22:13 |
| jcoufal | Moving to font-icons: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/font-icons | 22:13 |
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| jcoufal | if anybody can have a look as well on these two ^^ | 22:13 |
| dvarga | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-rootwrap new, wanting to pull in openstack common rootwrap for use by plugin writers. Just want to get it on the radar so people can provide feedback. | 22:14 |
| david-lyle | that change scares me a bit | 22:15 |
| kspear | lcheng: fair enough. will review the first one then :) | 22:15 |
| david-lyle | dvarga: if we go forward with it, is there a way to make that a configuration option? | 22:16 |
| kspear | dvarga: my first thought was can't you use rootwrap in your own tool? it doesn't seem like a massive benefit for this to be in horizon | 22:16 |
| dvarga | david-lyle: If you do not supply any filters (none will be shipped by default) the command will not be executed | 22:17 |
| dvarga | kspear: I could bundle it myself, but if other plugins would want this functionality it would be easier to make horizon a bit more extensible for anyone to use | 22:18 |
| Vasiliy | kspear: thanks - you are right, this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume already includes feature from blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/boot-from-volume-type-image. | 22:18 |
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| david-lyle | ok, I'll look at it again, but I think kspear has a valid point | 22:19 |
| dvarga | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rootwrap goes into more detail on how that all works. But basically if the command isn't listed in one of those filters it will not run | 22:19 |
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| kspear | Vasiliy: okay. would be good to coordinate with the assignee of the other bp and see what the plan is | 22:20 |
| jpich | Vasiliy: Feel free to reach out to the current assignee to see if he could use a hand, if you'd like to help with the feature | 22:20 |
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| david-lyle | I've been working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/rbac | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | the main issue I've come across is that no services seem to be loading their policy.json files into keystone yet | 22:21 |
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| Vasiliy | jpich: ok - thanks - I will touch to him | 22:21 |
| david-lyle | just reading them from the file-system | 22:21 |
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| david-lyle | does anyone have an installation where policy files are uploaded in keystone? | 22:22 |
| kspear | david-lyle: i think if horizon could intepret its own policy.json that would be a good start | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | but essentially Horizon's is the union of the services | 22:23 |
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| kspear | david-lyle: i wonder if this something that really belongs in the python-*clients. how do we map policy entries to endpoints? | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | dvarga: I'll have to look into that one. It's definitely not a Havana target, and I'd have to see some compelling use cases for what you'd want to run as root on the webserver. That's a pretty nasty potential vulnerability vector when mostly you should be talking to service via APIs. | 22:23 |
| david-lyle | So I'd like to propose copying keystone's for now and honoring that, get the policy engine going and working and then either expand to have policy files from the other services as well | 22:24 |
| david-lyle | and eventually pull them from keystone | 22:25 |
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| dvarga | gabrielhurley: thanks. Basically the plugin I'm developing would be collecting diagnostic data and logs (sosreport) and that needs to run as root. Rootwrap gives some nice filtering and restrictions which don't open it up to running arbitrary commands as root. | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: starting with keystone's seems reasonable. | 22:25 |
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| gabrielhurley | dvarga: mostly I'm leery of other things even running in the same execution context as Horizon. that seems like the wrong place to start. | 22:26 |
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| gabrielhurley | dvarga: when I deploy a webservice I want it to be as isolated as possible. | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | gabrielhurley: that may be the scope for Havana-3 | 22:27 |
| david-lyle | depending on how many distractions I have | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: if that's what makes sense I'd certainly like to see the initial proof-of-concept so we know what work is ahead of us to take it the rest of the way | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | it's a major undertaking, I'm aware | 22:27 |
| david-lyle | absolutely | 22:27 |
| david-lyle | I think once the first one's in the other's should come quickly, but retrofitting to read from keystone will be another larger work item | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | interesting. I'd expect that to be relatively easy compared to the initial "parse this and do the right thing" | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | it should be the same exact data, just one fetched via API and one read from disk | 22:29 |
| david-lyle | well, most of the engine comes from oslo | 22:29 |
| david-lyle | just need to add the policy checks around the calls | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | gotcha | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | well, we'll see | 22:29 |
| kspear | david-lyle: that's what i'm wondering about. will there be a one to one mapping between policy checks in keystone and the actual api routes? | 22:30 |
| david-lyle | #topic Discussion | 22:30 |
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| david-lyle | kspear: pretty much, although the Keystone file is not exhaustive for all potential api calls | 22:31 |
| Vasiliy | sammiestoel: Hi Sam, I'd like help you with features on blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improved-boot-from-volume We started working on the same improvements https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/boot-from-volume-type-image | 22:31 |
| kspear | david-lyle: okay, that should make things easier | 22:32 |
| kspear | so i hear that feature freeze is September 5 | 22:32 |
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| kspear | September 4* | 22:33 |
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| david-lyle | 1 month, it's coming quickly | 22:33 |
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| kspear | so it'd be good to get code for bps up within around 2 weeks | 22:33 |
| kspear | david-lyle: it really is | 22:33 |
| david-lyle | jpich: do you know where the ceilometer integration stands? | 22:34 |
| jpich | Vasiliy: I don't think he's on IRC at the moment, his nickname starts with "Samos". There is a "Contact this user" link on his user page on launchpad, you might want to use that instead. | 22:34 |
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| jpich | david-lyle: Waiting on UX feedback still I think | 22:34 |
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| Vasiliy | jpich: thanks | 22:35 |
| jcoufal | jpich: is that? where is it happening? | 22:35 |
| david-lyle | ok, I see it out there for review all the time, just want to make sure I'm not ignoring it for the wrong reason :) | 22:35 |
| jcoufal | I can have a look on that | 22:35 |
| jcoufal | if needed | 22:36 |
| jpich | jcoufal: Looks like you already replied to Brooklyn in the UX community :) Would love actionable feedback, even if it's just a start to be improved on later | 22:36 |
| jcoufal | ah, that's the one | 22:36 |
| jcoufal | ok | 22:36 |
| jpich | david-lyle: It'd be cool to get the API bits merged for a start, though there are some review comments on it that don't seem to have been taken into account it | 22:37 |
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| jpich | It's on my TODO to poke at the reviews again... | 22:37 |
| david-lyle | seems like it will need to land in the next week or two | 22:37 |
| jcoufal | talking about UX | 22:38 |
| jcoufal | I have one thing to bring up | 22:38 |
| jcoufal | there is ongoing voting for new tool for UX discussions | 22:38 |
| jpich | Thanks so much for driving this jcoufal | 22:39 |
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| jcoufal | it is for all of developers, if you will need help with UX question that would be the tool where to start | 22:39 |
| jcoufal | so, whoever is interested, feel free to participate here: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/MNGV8D5 | 22:40 |
| jcoufal | deadline is until Friday midnight (GMT) | 22:40 |
| david-lyle | just need time to checkout Discourse | 22:40 |
| pcm_ | vote early vote often :) | 22:40 |
| david-lyle | a Chicago voter in the house | 22:41 |
| jcoufal | jpich: np, I am happy we moved forward | 22:41 |
| lifeless | ttx: sorry, I need to put the meeting in my calendar :( | 22:41 |
| david-lyle | Seems like we're winding down, any other issues/topics? | 22:42 |
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| david-lyle | looks like we're good. Thanks everyone! | 22:44 |
| jpich | Thanks | 22:44 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 22:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 6 22:44:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-06-22.02.html | 22:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-06-22.02.txt | 22:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-08-06-22.02.log.html | 22:44 |
| kspear | bye all | 22:44 |
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| jcoufal | thanks david-lyle, it was professional | 22:45 |
| david-lyle | it was something ;) | 22:45 |
| jcoufal | have a good night/day all | 22:45 |
| david-lyle | thanks for bearing with me | 22:45 |
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| jpich | :) Thanks for chairing david-lyle | 22:46 |
| jpich | Have a good day everyone | 22:46 |
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