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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 15:03:28 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:03 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | hi everyone | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:04 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:04 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:04 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:04 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:04 |
| jd__ | dhellmann is excused | 15:04 |
| nealph | 0/ | 15:05 |
| jd__ | #topic nealph to finish looking into tempest QA efforts | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nealph to finish looking into tempest QA efforts (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:05 | |
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| jd__ | nealph: any update? :) | 15:06 |
| nealph | had some time to look ad this and recruit some help from tempest experts. | 15:06 |
| nealph | will start work on test design this week. | 15:06 |
| eglynn | great! | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | awesome | 15:07 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:07 |
| eglynn | note https://review.openstack.org/36367 | 15:07 |
| eglynn | tempest addition for heat autoscaling | 15:07 |
| nealph | so, I'll just keep updating the bp with progress | 15:07 |
| jd__ | nealph: so feel free to keep us in touch and to add this as a meeting topic whenever you want to keep us informed on the progress or whatever! | 15:07 |
| nealph | will do. thx. | 15:07 |
| eglynn | (in the commit msg: "Due to the nature of this test, it takes about 10 minutes to run locally") | 15:08 |
| eglynn | I had thought that adding lots of extra time to a test run was problematic | 15:08 |
| eglynn | but maybe with parallelization, not so much any more ... | 15:09 |
| jd__ | probably less a problem that no test at all | 15:09 |
| eglynn | jd__: true that! | 15:09 |
| jd__ | eglynn: so that's autoscaling based on the old code w/o Ceilometer IIUC? | 15:09 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep the old approach for now | 15:10 |
| eglynn | jd__: IIUC, but soon to be updated to the new | 15:10 |
| nealph | interesting. I'll review that offline...not sure of the implications just yet. | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | ok cool | 15:11 |
| jd__ | nealph: probably not much yet | 15:11 |
| eglynn | nealph: might be interesting/informative to compare notes with sbaker | 15:11 |
| eglynn | (as he's doing most of the heat tempestification work it seems) | 15:11 |
| nealph | planning on it, absolutely. | 15:11 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:11 |
| jd__ | #topic eglynn release python-ceilometerclient as soon as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37410/ gets in and unblock https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36905/ | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | jd__: got in before me with cutting the new client | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | yeah sdague kept complaining :) | 15:13 |
| sdague | :) | 15:13 |
| eglynn | yep, it's all good :) | 15:13 |
| jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36905/ doesn't work but that requires code adjustement, I'll look into that | 15:13 |
| sdague | jd__: yeh, I was about to ask about that | 15:13 |
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| sdague | that's the last piece of the puzzle to uncap the clients in the gate | 15:14 |
| jd__ | ack, I'll try to fix it ASAP | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | #topic Add logging to our IRC channel? - dhellmann | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | were we going to take a vote on it? | 15:15 |
| eglynn | (or defer again if we don't have quorum today) | 15:16 |
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| apmelton | so is there any downside to having logging? | 15:16 |
| apmelton | other than most people are probably doing it locally? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | not really IMHO | 15:16 |
| eglynn | folks being more guarded in what they say I guess | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | I'll keep doing my bad jokes ya know | 15:17 |
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| nealph | eglynn: haven't decided if that's a bad thing yet. :) | 15:17 |
| eglynn | me neither :) | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | so, is anybody against this anyway? | 15:17 |
| gordc | jd__, asalkeld was against if i remember. | 15:18 |
| eglynn | yep he was | 15:18 |
| jd__ | I seem to remember that | 15:18 |
| llu-laptop | what his concerns? | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-17-21.00.log.html | 15:19 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop, i think when we're asleep out here in the 'west', he does secret things. | 15:19 |
| eglynn | indefinite retention etc. | 15:19 |
| jd__ | gordc: lol | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | well I propose we #action dhellmann to set up a wiki page or something so we can vote | 15:20 |
| eglynn | sounds reasonable | 15:21 |
| jd__ | since we aren't going to have a meeting with everyone anyway | 15:21 |
| gordc | yep. sounds good. | 15:21 |
| jd__ | yeah it's always reasonable to #action away people :D | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | #action dhellmann to set-up a vote (via a wiki page or smthg) on the #openstack-metering logging | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-3 milestone | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-3 | 15:22 |
| jd__ | we've a bunch of stuff not started yet, you should think about starting soon now | 15:22 |
| jd__ | the sooner the better | 15:22 |
| jd__ | there's no havana-4, we don't postpone anymore :) | 15:23 |
| eglynn | yep, I've another block of dedicated development time ringfenced off | 15:24 |
| jd__ | (havana 3 is early september) | 15:24 |
| jd__ | eglynn: cool | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: if you've anything you want help or you want to drop entirely, don't hesitate because sileht is bored | 15:24 |
| eglynn | cool ;) | 15:24 |
| sileht | :D | 15:24 |
| BrooklynChen | jd__: the ceilomter-plugin for horizon is not completed yet and it's for havana-3. | 15:25 |
| jd__ | BrooklynChen: ok! | 15:25 |
| litong | @jd__, we have a specific date for H3? | 15:25 |
| eglynn | yeah I was gonna ask about horizon too | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | litong: 6th September | 15:25 |
| litong | k. thx. | 15:26 |
| BrooklynChen | now the problem for horizon is that the usage summary table takes a lot of time loading the data | 15:26 |
| eglynn | BrooklynChen: is the usage summary timestamp-constrained? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | BrooklynChen: e.g. last day/week/month | 15:27 |
| BrooklynChen | eglynn: the issue is, we don't have a group-by api in ceilometer and the grouping is done by horizon. that needs a lot of time | 15:27 |
| eglynn | BrooklynChen: a-ha I see | 15:28 |
| eglynn | BrooklynChen: but there is broup-by on the cards for h3 | 15:28 |
| eglynn | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-group-by | 15:28 |
| jd__ | yeah we're working on group-by | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I know this is the main pain point | 15:29 |
| jd__ | terriyu is working on that :) | 15:29 |
| terriyu | yes, sorry everyone I've been slow getting started | 15:29 |
| BrooklynChen | terriyu: we may need to talk about this. that helps if it's added to ceilometer-api | 15:30 |
| terriyu | BrooklynChen: sure, we can talk. I'm new, so I don't really know anything about Horizon | 15:31 |
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| BrooklynChen | jd__: sorry about the email and I will check the statistic with period= parameter | 15:32 |
| BrooklynChen | terriyu: great | 15:32 |
| jd__ | BrooklynChen: ok cool! | 15:32 |
| jd__ | BrooklynChen: we'll be happy to enhance the API, we just need a little help on how to improve the existing :) | 15:33 |
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| apmelton | so, I was wonering if anyone has looked at my event body blueprint, I was hoping to have it slated for H3? | 15:33 |
| apmelton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/event-body | 15:33 |
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| apmelton | this is part of sandy's stacktach integration group of blueprints | 15:34 |
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| jd__ | apmelton: you can just put it to the h3 milestone I guess | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | apmelton: couldn't that work apply to implement metadata matching on our current meters? | 15:35 |
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| apmelton | jd__: I'm pretty new to ceilometer so I'm still catching up on everything, do we want every event associated with each meter it's involved with? | 15:37 |
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| jd__ | apmelton: basically we have the same problem currently, we store a JSON of the event in a column, and we want to query it | 15:37 |
| apmelton | jd__: then this could definitely be used there as well | 15:38 |
| jd__ | apmelton: and that's not implemented in the SQL driver because of reasons you describe in this bp | 15:38 |
| jd__ | apmelton: ok that'd be awesome | 15:38 |
| gordc | sweet. this resolves sql metadata query? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | gordc: yes | 15:38 |
| gordc | this will be awesome. | 15:39 |
| jd__ | apmelton: if you've time I'd love you to take a look and tell us if you think your bp could help in this regard | 15:39 |
| apmelton | jd__: I'll poke around with meter metadata and see how I can tweak this BP | 15:40 |
| jd__ | apmelton: thanks :) | 15:40 |
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| jd__ | #topic Splitting CADF support out of Ceilometer | 15:40 |
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| jd__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31969 | 15:40 |
| jd__ | so this is dhellmann topic but I'll speak for him | 15:41 |
| jd__ | he would like to go ahead and move this outside Ceilometer right away | 15:41 |
| jd__ | so this could build a pycadf library used by Ceilometer and others | 15:42 |
| gordc | jd__, how difficult is it to add it back as a requirement? especially if its not used anywhere except for a single audit filter? | 15:42 |
| jd__ | dhellmann is willing to help setting up the project on StackForge | 15:42 |
| jd__ | gordc: not difficult | 15:43 |
| litong | @jd__, so pycadf is a ceilometer dependency? | 15:43 |
| jd__ | litong: would be, yes | 15:43 |
| gordc | one reason we started it here is because we'd like it to start in ceilometer as a base and have one proven example. | 15:43 |
| eglynn | so the motivation is to allow easy re-use outside ceilometer? | 15:44 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yes | 15:44 |
| gordc | then when other projects (specifically keystone) see its use they can adopt it and we can move it out. | 15:44 |
| jd__ | gordc: the upside would be that you could develop faster pycadf if it's outside Ceilometer, you won't need our approval | 15:44 |
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| jd__ | gordc: we would move out only the CADF implementation, not everything | 15:44 |
| gordc | jd__, that'd be good :P | 15:44 |
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| gordc | jd__, my main concern for moving it out so soon is that it'll get lost since it barely has traction here | 15:45 |
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| jd__ | why would it get lost if it's used by Ceilometer? | 15:45 |
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| gordc | maybe unwarranted concern. just worried that the single audit api filter is not a strong enough sell for others to adopt. | 15:47 |
| gordc | i think another item is about license? is there anything special needed to be done if we move this code to stackforge? | 15:47 |
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| jd__ | you need to pick a license | 15:48 |
| jd__ | but you can pick the same as OpenStack | 15:48 |
| jd__ | you're not force to the CLA OTOH | 15:48 |
| jd__ | gordc: well the fact that the code is inside or outside but a dependency doesn't matter in term of attrictivness | 15:48 |
| jd__ | attractiveness | 15:49 |
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| gordc | for me i'd like to show some keystone folk the working filter and then once we can sell them that, branch out. | 15:49 |
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| jd__ | gordc: actually you'll sell better if you already have something called pycadf they can add to requirements.txt | 15:50 |
| jd__ | "look at how unintrusive it is!" | 15:50 |
| gordc | i guess the time to set up stackforge project and add requirement would be another concern. | 15:50 |
| jd__ | it's better than "look at how we polluted the Ceilometer project with a bunch of stuff we're going to have to extract painfully now!" | 15:51 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:51 |
| jd__ | gordc: well dhellmann's willing to do that in a snap | 15:51 |
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| jd__ | we are both used to that so it's going to be faster than you think | 15:51 |
| gordc | :) well i thought we did a good job keeping it separate | 15:51 |
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| jd__ | gordc: agreed, but from an external PoV, it's not that obvious :) | 15:52 |
| jd__ | gordc: do you have concerns you want to tackle internally about this? | 15:52 |
| jd__ | (licensing or others) | 15:52 |
| jd__ | or can I #action dhellmann right away? | 15:52 |
| gordc | let me speak with Matt, he's working on the spec... i think he'll be concern especially with the time to pull this out. | 15:53 |
| gordc | maybe i can speak with dhellmann later. i'm not familiar with the setting up external projects so maybe its not a huge concern | 15:53 |
| litong | @jd__, @gordc, if it is done as a middleware, it may not even need to be a dependency. | 15:53 |
| jd__ | litong: well except if we ship the middleware | 15:53 |
| jd__ | gordc: no problem, don't worry about the infra, we can handle this | 15:54 |
| litong | @jd__, right, if we do that. | 15:54 |
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| gordc | jd__, ok, we can talk more about this after meeting so you can alleviate concerns. | 15:54 |
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| jd__ | ack | 15:55 |
| jd__ | #topic SQL migration testing with data | 15:56 |
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| jd__ | #link http://openstack.stillhq.com/ci | 15:56 |
| jd__ | so I've been discussing with mikal recently about how they do SQL tests migration for nova | 15:56 |
| jd__ | they're willing to do the same for Ceilometer | 15:56 |
| jd__ | if anyone's interested on working on this, you should obviously get in touch with him :) | 15:57 |
| jd__ | for now I think the biggest blocker is that they need real data from an SQL instance | 15:57 |
| jd__ | (data that can be anonymized and never published FWIW) | 15:57 |
| gordc | this stuff is dependent on all the migration patches we have currently? | 15:58 |
| jd__ | gordc: no | 15:58 |
| jd__ | not AFAIK at least :) | 15:58 |
| gordc | k.there's no blueprint for this right? | 15:59 |
| gordc | seems interesting though. | 15:59 |
| jd__ | no bp indeed | 16:00 |
| jd__ | more a side thing | 16:00 |
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| jd__ | and time's out guy! | 16:00 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 16:00:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-25-15.03.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-25-15.03.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-25-15.03.log.html | 16:01 |
| jd__ | have fun and happy hacking! | 16:01 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 17:00:51 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| sdague | ok, who's around for the qa meeting? | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | me | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | Hi! | 17:01 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi! | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi | 17:01 |
| sdague | ok, agenda is here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:01 |
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| sdague | #topic Blueprint status | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint status (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:02 | |
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| afazekas | hi | 17:02 |
| sdague | I still need to close out H2 and move things out | 17:02 |
| ravikumar_hp | i took care my blueprints | 17:03 |
| * afazekas is still waiting for feedback | 17:03 | |
| ravikumar_hp | remaining will be finished in H3 | 17:03 |
| sdague | on anything I need to auto bump I'm going to bump to icehouse, so update to h3 if you think you are really going to be able to make it | 17:03 |
| dkranz | afazekas: You mean the leak stuff? | 17:03 |
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| afazekas | dkranz: yes | 17:03 |
| sdague | afazekas: yeh, on which thing? | 17:04 |
| afazekas | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35516/ | 17:04 |
| sdague | ok, so I've looked at the patch a little, and it's something I realize I need to take more time to understand | 17:04 |
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| sdague | do you want to give us a high level view of the approach you are taking? maybe it makes it easier to review | 17:04 |
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| afazekas | sdague: This is one resion for not making it complete at the first time, I still have minor design things to finalize as well | 17:05 |
| sdague | or maybe some sample output of it | 17:05 |
| afazekas | sdague: it has the same design as the pep8 checker | 17:05 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, but it's not yet hooked into any base classes right? | 17:05 |
| afazekas | You have detectors wich first records the begining state, and at the and compare it with the final state | 17:06 |
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| sdague | I guess that's what's made it hard for me to review, as it isn't yet functional | 17:06 |
| afazekas | sdague: It is before and after test suite action | 17:06 |
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| afazekas | after the test runner it can say if something not deleted properly | 17:07 |
| afazekas | It can be anything.. | 17:07 |
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| sdague | oh, you get it by another wrapper | 17:07 |
| afazekas | I would like to make some trick in the rand_name generation, to be easier to find aout which test case was the responsible | 17:07 |
| sdague | what about having it in master setUp and tearDown for base class instead? | 17:08 |
| sdague | so that we don't need the wrapper | 17:08 |
| sdague | ok, well I'll go put some feedback out there post meeting | 17:09 |
| sdague | and we can carry on in qa. | 17:09 |
| afazekas | sdague: it would require to query everything, and I have concers with it's performance | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: it would be good to see if that was true in practice | 17:09 |
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| sdague | I would worry about performance later, right now a more integrated prototype is probably useful | 17:10 |
| sdague | ok, mtreinish how goes testr? | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | so we've had the testr run for a week and I've started working on tracking down some of the race conditions | 17:11 |
| afazekas | sdague: I can make a change to be able to run on setUpclass /tearDown class or on tearDown / and setUp as a configure-able plugin | 17:11 |
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| sdague | afazekas: great | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | I've got a fix pending on one in nova with aggregates list (that I need to rework a bit) | 17:11 |
| dkranz | afazekas: +1 | 17:11 |
| sdague | mtreinish: is there a wiki or etherpad page with testr issues we're running after? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | but right now something got merged in nova that broke something with aggregates and availability zones | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | and all the testr runs are failing | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | sdague: there is https://etherpad.openstack.org/debugging-testr-tempest but I haven't updated it in a bit | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | I'll take some time today to update it | 17:12 |
| sdague | I think right now getting testr functioning is probably the highest priority team mission, as it's going to let us enable other things like heat | 17:12 |
| afazekas | Is it allowed to move one host to two availability_zone ? | 17:12 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, could you take a little bit of time to do that today? | 17:12 |
| sdague | #link current testr issues https://etherpad.openstack.org/debugging-testr-tempest | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yes I will | 17:13 |
| sdague | great | 17:13 |
| sdague | #action mtreinish to update testr etherpad with latest status of fails so we can try to get more folks on it | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: but aside from the one that I'm currently fixing the ones listed there are sill active | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | so there are 6 other outstanding issues listed there | 17:14 |
| sdague | ok, good to know. I'll start poking from my test env today and see if I can help | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | plus the az fail that's stopping the job from working | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: I'm not sure, I haven't looked at things in detail yet | 17:15 |
| sdague | maybe we can try to enlist some of the infra guys that did testr conversions other places to help debug the issues | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure that sounds like a good idea | 17:16 |
| sdague | cool, great | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, I think the last blueprint that we wanted to be sure to talk about was the stress tests | 17:17 |
| sdague | mkoderer the floor is yours | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | ok so the refactoring is nearly done | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | what is left is are unit tests and adding more stress tests | 17:18 |
| sdague | cool | 17:18 |
| sdague | that's coming right along | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | I am currently quite busy .. so I hope I have something starting next week | 17:19 |
| mkoderer | and.. I registered a talk for the Summit about the new framework | 17:19 |
| afazekas | http://docs.python.org/2/library/fcntl.html#fcntl.flock a lock type which can work if we need to force something to be serialized | 17:19 |
| sdague | mkoderer: cool | 17:19 |
| mkoderer | I want to present the new framework with some real life test cases | 17:20 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: By unit test do you mean something that runs in tempest to make sure the stress scenarios work? | 17:20 |
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| dkranz | mkoderer: But without stress. | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: yes something like that | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | a sanity check | 17:20 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: I put a suggestion in one of the reviews | 17:20 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes, we were chatting in the review and it occurred to me that we really should have some sanity check on checkin to make sure we didn't land broken python code | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: that would be great | 17:21 |
| dkranz | sdague: Definitely. | 17:21 |
| dkranz | sdague: I basically suggested running each of them once. | 17:21 |
| mkoderer | this could be a good and easy solution | 17:21 |
| dkranz | sdague: Cleanup is the issue. | 17:21 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, well we should try to structure for that case | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: or we can add a NOOP action just to check the framework itself | 17:22 |
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| sdague | but I like the idea of one run only | 17:22 |
| sdague | that could go into the normal gate runs then | 17:22 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: Yes, but it is new cases that may be submitted not working | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | sdague: sure this covers even more | 17:22 |
| dkranz | sounds like a plan | 17:22 |
| sdague | great | 17:23 |
| mkoderer | yes let's to that! | 17:23 |
| sdague | #action mkoderer and the stress test folks to make it easy to run once through only for gating purposes | 17:23 |
| sdague | very cool | 17:23 |
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| sdague | ok, next agenda topic | 17:23 |
| sdague | #topic WebDav status codes in nova? Consistently using the 404 or 422 on actions. | 17:24 |
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| sdague | so that one I actually threw to the -dev mailing list | 17:24 |
| sdague | as I think we need more broad input than just us | 17:24 |
| afazekas | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1204999 | 17:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1204999 in nova "422 HTTP status code on several actions" [Undecided,New] | 17:24 |
| sdague | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012519.html | 17:24 |
| sdague | I would encourage us to discuss it there | 17:25 |
| sdague | so I'm going to jump from that topic quickly, and say lets do it on the list | 17:25 |
| sdague | #topic Adding test cases with skip attribute vote? Exact rule (afazekas) | 17:25 |
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| afazekas | sdague: IMHO it not just WebDav code, but in this case it is not the correct cde anyway | 17:25 |
| sdague | well it's only in the webdav rfc | 17:26 |
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| sdague | but anyway, lets do it on the list | 17:26 |
| sdague | afazekas: you're up next on the skip topic | 17:26 |
| afazekas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35487/ | 17:26 |
| sdague | ok | 17:27 |
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| afazekas | The current Hacking.rst just forbids the changes which contains only skipped test cases | 17:27 |
| afazekas | IMHO this is a good policy | 17:27 |
| sdague | so the rationale behind why we don't want to land skipped tests is that the test itself is then never tested before it's in the tree | 17:27 |
| ravikumar_hp | This submission has some tests that are not skipped .I will vote for adding tests with skip . | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I've had to go through and fix really broken tests before when I went to remove the skips | 17:28 |
| sdague | I don't want to land non tested code in the tree | 17:28 |
| ravikumar_hp | It is really hard to come back later to add those tests . | 17:28 |
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| sdague | so we should change the wording to we don't land any skipped tests | 17:28 |
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| afazekas | The never run was happened with several keystone change, because nobody wanted to fix it | 17:29 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: it's easily breakupable into a patch with only working tests, and a different one | 17:29 |
| afazekas | but in this case it is just config option, and AFAIK it will be default in neutron anyway | 17:29 |
| afazekas | Unfortunately in neutron it is not as easy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38591/ as in devstack https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38267/ | 17:30 |
| sdague | so I remain -1, and am verging on -2 because I'm not comfortable landing never tested code in the tree | 17:30 |
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| sdague | afazekas: ok, that's all that's needed there? Is there a reason quotas are off by default in neutron? | 17:31 |
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| ravikumar_hp | sdague: yes. that makes sense | 17:31 |
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| mkoderer | drawback of not accepting skipped tests in general is that you lose potential test coverage... | 17:31 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: when we remove skip , those tests could break .. | 17:31 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: we've had tests that are skipped for over a year | 17:32 |
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| afazekas | sdague: I do not know about any other reason than , difficult to convince the unit tests to be default.. | 17:32 |
| mkoderer | would it be possible to put them into a seperate branch? | 17:32 |
| sdague | mkoderer: we don't really work with branches well | 17:32 |
| mkoderer | sdague: I see I don't know the history.. I am new ;) | 17:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think this is a grey area that is not well served by a simple rule for acceptance. | 17:32 |
| sdague | it does occur to me that maybe we should timestamp when a test is skipped, so we know how old it is | 17:32 |
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| sdague | and after a certain time say people need to fix them, or we dump them, because they are bitrotting a lot when skipped | 17:33 |
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| mkoderer | a timestamp in the code? or a script that checks it? | 17:33 |
| dkranz | sdague: That works for me. | 17:33 |
| sdague | in the code, make it another param on the skip bug | 17:33 |
| mkoderer | sdague: sounds logical | 17:33 |
| afazekas | dkranz: the git can tell it by 2-3 combined commands | 17:33 |
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| sdague | dkranz: landing a skipped test doesn't seem grey to me | 17:34 |
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| sdague | it means we put code in the tree that didn't get run | 17:34 |
| sdague | that's a no no in my book | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, but if we reject it maybe no one will add it and we won't have it. | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: It can be a fail either way. | 17:35 |
| sdague | dkranz: but it's not like we have it when it's skipped :) | 17:35 |
| afazekas | sdague: basically all neutron job is non voting now, so they can run an fail:) | 17:35 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: I agree to this | 17:35 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think we just need to be more diligent about unskipping tests, perhaps by putting a reminder on whatever action is needed to unskip. | 17:35 |
| sdague | yeh, we have the skip tracker, a run on that is probably a good idea | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | the skip tracker will tell you which bugs we skip have been closed | 17:36 |
| dkranz | sdague: we can run that once a week and send the output to the list or something to pester people :) | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | but unskipping things is still very manual | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | because of bit rot | 17:36 |
| afazekas | Can we extend the skip tracker to show skip ages based on git history ? | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that can be tricky because what happens if there is a code refactor that moves things around | 17:37 |
| sdague | afazekas: I don't know, that's why I'd rather anotate the skips | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | or a whitespace change | 17:37 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: if you want to do this automatically you need to check the bugtracker | 17:37 |
| sdague | we can seed them with git values | 17:37 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: restoring a change and rebasing is also manual | 17:37 |
| sdague | mkoderer: we have a script that does that | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: we have a script in tools that does that | 17:38 |
| mkoderer | ;) ok ok | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tools/skip_tracker.py | 17:38 |
| mkoderer | cool | 17:38 |
| sdague | we have 4 that should be fixed | 17:38 |
| sdague | The following bugs have been fixed and the corresponding skips | 17:38 |
| sdague | should be removed from the test cases: | 17:38 |
| sdague | () | 17:38 |
| sdague | 1072318 | 17:38 |
| sdague | 1074908 | 17:38 |
| sdague | 1080406 | 17:38 |
| sdague | 1170718 | 17:38 |
| sdague | so that's easy patches for someone... maybe :) | 17:39 |
| sdague | ok, well only 20 minutes left, so lets move on | 17:39 |
| sdague | #topic py26 compatibility (afazekas) | 17:39 |
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| afazekas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38284/ | 17:40 |
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| afazekas | IMHO it is small/simple enough patch for letting tempest running with py26 without skip issues | 17:41 |
| sdague | ok, I think I'm fine with that. We'll probably have to revisit once we drop nose as test-requires | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: that's probably fine. But, I personally don't feel py26 compatibility is something that is very important for tempest. | 17:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure. | 17:42 |
| sdague | dkranz / mtreinish: can you just take a look as well | 17:42 |
| dkranz | Yup | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: sure | 17:42 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I wish it were not important for OpenStack at all but we are not there yet. | 17:43 |
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| sdague | I do think we probably need to rethink py26 compat for icehouse, because py26 will stop having security updates | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we can lead the pack | 17:43 |
| sdague | and I assume the software channel stuff for rhel will be ga by then | 17:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: You'll have to lend me a nomex suit. | 17:43 |
| dkranz | sdague: I hope so. | 17:44 |
| sdague | dkranz / afazekas do you know if red hat's going to be ok with dropping 2.6 once the software channel stuff is GA? | 17:44 |
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| sdague | I realize it's only beta now | 17:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: Let me find out. | 17:44 |
| sdague | it would be nice to know, because I'm sure we're going to get asked about python 3 compat soon :) | 17:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, this really sucks. | 17:45 |
| sdague | and 2.6 vs. 3 isn't pretty | 17:45 |
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| sdague | cool, thanks dkranz | 17:45 |
| sdague | #topic Consistent reviewing (afazekas) | 17:45 |
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| sdague | afazekas: the floor is yours again | 17:46 |
| afazekas | sdague: we have too many open reviews, what can we do to make the marge process faster and simpler ? | 17:46 |
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| afazekas | IMHO one thing what we can do, is documenting the exact expectations about what patch can be merged. And we should be less nit picky some times :) | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: 30 nonWIP reviews really isn't that much | 17:47 |
| sdague | so we only have 35 open reviews, which is 10% of the nova queue :) | 17:47 |
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| sdague | yeh | 17:47 |
| sdague | I agree that in reviews we should give people as specific of feedback as possible | 17:48 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: in tempest scale it is very much | 17:48 |
| dkranz | sdague: I don't think what nova does is really relevant. | 17:48 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+-Verified-1+-CodeReview-1+-CodeReview-2+(project:openstack-dev/grenade+OR+project:openstack/tempest),n,z | 17:48 |
| dkranz | sdague: The problem is that people can work downstream much faster and we don't want people to work downstream. | 17:48 |
| sdague | we only have 19 without negative feedback on them | 17:48 |
| sdague | 18 if you remove wip | 17:49 |
| kashyap | Maybe this would be useful doc to keep handy when reviewing: | 17:49 |
| kashyap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 17:49 |
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| sdague | and I do think it's ok to be picky some times, I was -1ing a lot of patches that were doing cleanup incorrectly | 17:49 |
| afazekas | kashyap: I very rare read the commit message :) | 17:49 |
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| sdague | afazekas: the commit message is important :) | 17:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: That is not nitpicking. | 17:50 |
| afazekas | kashyap: I very rarely read the commit message :) | 17:50 |
| kashyap | afazekas, I always browse git commit logs | 17:50 |
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| kashyap | andreaf, it's really important to have all the information right there (without having to click bugs, etc) | 17:50 |
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| kashyap | (Oops, didn't mean to prompt him) | 17:50 |
| sdague | kashyap: +1 | 17:50 |
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| kashyap | afazekas, The above document is written by danpb, after experience with a lot of communities like Kernel/KVM, QEMU, Libvirt. | 17:51 |
| dkranz | I think the biggest issue is turnaround time. | 17:51 |
| kashyap | andreaf, I certainly learnt a lot from it (while I'm still new here). | 17:51 |
| kashyap | Darn, I keep prompting him (Sorry, again). :( | 17:51 |
| dkranz | If turnaround was fast, having to resubmit for a nitpick would not be as much of a problem. | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | kashyap: its a good doc I often point people to it | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: that's fair, I think it's also fair that if you see patches that others should take a look at, drop it in #openstack-qa | 17:52 |
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| sdague | I just figured out how to do the enhanced queries, so that "no negative feedback" query is useful | 17:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: If we are all ok with being pinged for reviews on-demand than that would work. | 17:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: Within reason of course. | 17:53 |
| sdague | dkranz: as long as it's on #openstack-qa | 17:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: Of course. | 17:53 |
| sdague | and only once a day per review, some times people ping everyone every hour | 17:53 |
| sdague | that's no good | 17:53 |
| kashyap | mtreinish, True. | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I think -dev would be fine too | 17:53 |
| sdague | sure -dev is fine as well | 17:53 |
| sdague | -qa has a captive audience though | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: We could also drop the review-by-more-than-one-company policy for a -1 that says I'm +2 after this nitpick is addressed. | 17:54 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh, it's only a guideline, if people think it was fixed that's cool | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK, let's give this a try | 17:54 |
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| afazekas | what about considering 3 times +1 as a +2 ? | 17:55 |
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| sdague | afazekas: no | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: no | 17:55 |
| dkranz | afazekas: no :) | 17:55 |
| afazekas | :) | 17:55 |
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| sdague | we have lots of people that put +1s on things | 17:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: one or two more core reviewers wouldn | 17:55 |
| sdague | by having +2 it means there is trust in your judgement | 17:55 |
| dkranz | t hurt of course. | 17:55 |
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| sdague | dkranz: yeh, let me run the numbers again, i think some folks were coming up the ranks on reviews | 17:56 |
| sdague | I was planning to see if we had good folks to propose next week | 17:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: Great! | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | what numbers count to become a core reviewer? | 17:56 |
| sdague | I would also encourage folks to use this review query - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+-Verified-1+-CodeReview-1+-CodeReview-2+(project:openstack-dev/grenade+OR+project:openstack/tempest),n,z | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | just number of reviews? | 17:56 |
| sdague | mkoderer: reviews | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | ok | 17:57 |
| sdague | but we also want to see judgement | 17:57 |
| sdague | so correctly -1ing stuff | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: yeah its not just quantity but quality too | 17:57 |
| sdague | because once you are core, you can approve, and we want to trust that the core members have good judgement in what they keep out of the tree | 17:57 |
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| dkranz | sdague: three minutes for slow test... | 17:58 |
| sdague | that review query is the no negative feedback one, and there is no reason that shouldn't be a very short list | 17:58 |
| sdague | right | 17:58 |
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| jog0 | sdague: one thing i found useful was to look for open and approved patches | 17:58 |
| sdague | #topic Separate heat job and slow tests in general (dkranz) | 17:58 |
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| jog0 | something that got borked in a rebase | 17:58 |
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| dkranz | any one object to marking tests slow, skipping in full tempest, and having other gate jobs select the tests they want to run | 17:58 |
| sdague | jog0: well that doesn't actually filter -2, so those would be in that list | 17:58 |
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| jog0 | sdague: see https://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewstats/blob/master/openapproved.py | 17:59 |
| sdague | dkranz: so right now we just have the twin volume test that's > 60s | 17:59 |
| jog0 | sdague: at least in nova we sometimes don't require to +2s for a trivial rebase of something already approved | 17:59 |
| dkranz | I sent an email to the list about that. | 17:59 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh, lets do it on the list | 17:59 |
| dkranz | sdague: heat? | 17:59 |
| dkranz | sdague: ceilometer is coming | 18:00 |
| sdague | well heat is a special case | 18:00 |
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| sdague | and I think heat should be it's own gate job | 18:00 |
| dkranz | sdague: Only at the moment | 18:00 |
| sdague | I think ceilo is going to just augment the other tests | 18:00 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right, that's what we said. | 18:00 |
| dkranz | sdague: about ceilo remains to be seen | 18:00 |
| sdague | so I'd be practical now and start with just heat as a seperate job | 18:00 |
| sdague | and see if we need a different solution later | 18:00 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's what i was going to do | 18:01 |
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| sdague | ok, I'm cool with that | 18:01 |
| dkranz | But we need to skip the tests for that job in the main gate | 18:01 |
| dkranz | I propose to do that by marking them slow | 18:01 |
| sdague | ok | 18:01 |
| sdague | lets try that way | 18:01 |
| dkranz | So be it. | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: just start the service tagging blueprint | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | tag them as heat | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | same net effect at first | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | looks like it's time for the OSSG meeting… I'll wait for the previous one to wrap up | 18:01 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Let's move to qa channel | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 18:01 |
| sdague | bdpayne: yep, I'll wrap us up now | 18:02 |
| sdague | ok, thanks folks, our time is up | 18:02 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-25-17.00.log.html | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 18:02:21 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | hi OSSG… who do we have here today? | 18:02 |
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| joel-coffman | hey | 18:03 |
| bpb | hello | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | hey guys | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | I'm hoping hyakuhei is around too | 18:03 |
| malini1 | hello | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | alright, let's get started | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic Previous Action Items | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Action Items (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:05 | |
| bdpayne | I heard from thomasbiege | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | he said that he wouldn't make it, but he has been pushing ahead with seeing how we can integrate more security testing into openstack | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | so that's great | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | I also heard from hyakuhei and he's making good progress on organizing the security issues from the book sprint | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | any other previous actions items that people can speak to? | 18:06 |
| joel-coffman | none here | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | malini1 I believe you were going to work on an OSSN for libvirt authentication issues? | 18:07 |
| malini1 | I have a little patch working its way to force authentication even on libvirt readonly connections | 18:07 |
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| malini1 | hopefully in a day or two it gets comitted -- but that might be famous last words! | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | is that a libvirt patch or a nova patch? | 18:07 |
| malini1 | nova | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | got it | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | so will this also be written up as an OSSN? | 18:08 |
| malini1 | cross checked with Danioel Berrange and Robert Clark that it would be a good thing to have before going ahead | 18:08 |
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| malini1 | should we? | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | not sure, I'm not as familiar with the issue involved | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | do you have a link to the code review? | 18:08 |
| malini1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38603/ | 18:09 |
| malini1 | i have to add better commit comments | 18:09 |
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| malini1 | check on it later | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | ok, can do | 18:10 |
| malini1 | BTW, I got my hard copies of the book | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | me too :-) | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | #topic OpenStack Summit | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | For anyone who is interested, the call for speakers is closing on July 31 | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/become-a-speaker/ | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | it's always good to have lots of security chatter at the summits | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | I know of several security talks submitted already | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | but, there's really no such thing as too many submissions | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | anyone else planning on submitting a talk? | 18:12 |
| malini1 | this is for main session correct, design sessions will go a ways into Sept/Oct | 18:12 |
| joel-coffman | we're thinking of doing another design session | 18:12 |
| bpb | APL is planning on a design session for the ephemeral disk encryption | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | correct, thanks for the clarification malini1 | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | this is just for the main session | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | so there's still time on the design session | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | ephemeral disk encryption sounds nice | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | joel-coffman feel free to run ideas by the group here, or on the email list prior to your submission | 18:14 |
| malini1 | Joel-coffman -- thinking a joint "workshop" with you guys and the barbican folks to set up and use key manager would be good for volume encryption | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | if that's helpful | 18:14 |
| malini1 | once the swift folks did a workshop and it gets people familiar | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | that would be handy… a tutorial on volume encryption + key management | 18:14 |
| joel-coffman | yes, that probably would be a good session | 18:15 |
| malini1 | folks come in and leave with a VM with everything loaded kind of thing | 18:15 |
| malini1 | BTW, I am thinking of doing one on geo-tagging -- design session | 18:15 |
| joel-coffman | not sure if I can get it approved by our sponsor in time though | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | that would probably be something for the main conference, rather than a design session | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | sorry "that" was a reference to the encryption + key management tutorial | 18:16 |
| malini1 | the volume encryption code is open source | 18:16 |
| joel-coffman | bdpayne: agreed | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | I suspect that joel-coffman has additional gates to get permission to speak… even if the code is already out there | 18:16 |
| malini1 | and key management open source, so it would not be more exposure t han doing the workshop | 18:16 |
| malini1 | ah, :-( | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | joel-coffman one option could be to let someone else be listed on the talk and you could be a last minute addition if you get approval | 18:17 |
| joel-coffman | yes, and our volume encryption code is still work in progress as we resolve some lingering issues on the Cinder side | 18:17 |
| malini1 | yes, the workshop would be more for main conference | 18:17 |
| malini1 | it is real working stuff | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | so... | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #action malini1 and joel-coffman to sort out the idea of a main conference session on key management and volume encryption | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | sound reasonable? | 18:19 |
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| malini1 | yes | 18:19 |
| joel-coffman | yes, sounds reasonable | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | great, thanks guys | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | I don't have anything else specific this week | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | Anyone else have something to discuss? | 18:20 |
| joel-coffman | no, quiet week | 18:20 |
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| bpb | I don't either | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | malini1? | 18:20 |
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| malini1 | nothing thank you | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | ok then | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:20 |
| malini1 | bye | 18:20 |
| joel-coffman | cheers | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | I'll be out next week, but I'll find someone to run the meeting | 18:21 |
| bpb | see you | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | so that's just an fyi | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | cheers | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 18:21:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-07-25-18.02.html | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-07-25-18.02.txt | 18:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-07-25-18.02.log.html | 18:21 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 20:12:37 2013 UTC. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:12 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:12 |
| harlowja | hi everyone!!!! sorry for being late | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | lunch was slow :-P | 20:14 |
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| changbl | hello | 20:14 |
| harlowja | howdy | 20:15 |
| harlowja | jlucci yooo | 20:15 |
| jlucci | sup | 20:15 |
| harlowja | changbl hi | 20:15 |
| changbl | hi there | 20:15 |
| harlowja | so sorry about not sending anything out with an agenda (my fault) | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | #topic status | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:16 | |
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| harlowja | i think jlucci is still working on the distrubted stuff, seen a demo, looks pretty cool | 20:17 |
| harlowja | i've been continuing on the threaded_flow, review comments would be awesome if anyone wants them | 20:17 |
| harlowja | *wants to give some | 20:17 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34488/ | 20:18 |
| harlowja | afaik also kevin has been finishing up the basics of the database storage for tasks/flows, so thats awesome! | 20:19 |
| jlucci | Yupyup. He's also started working on a callback mechanism | 20:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:19 |
| harlowja | changbl have u been able to try anything out? comments always welcome :) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | *or anyone else* to, more messing around with it is always welcome | 20:20 |
| changbl | harlowja, looking through the code, hopefully i can contribute some code by next meeting | 20:20 |
| harlowja | changbl sweet :) | 20:21 |
| changbl | just wonder, what is the status for taskflow with Nova/Cinder? | 20:21 |
| harlowja | so cinder i am readjusting my initial patch to use the updated library, so that will get usage in the create_volume 'flow' in cinder | 20:22 |
| harlowja | i beleive we have another folk working on the create_snapshot 'flow' also | 20:22 |
| harlowja | hopefully both can get in for H series | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | as far as nova, afaik not much 'traction' there yet, but i believe there task restructuring is in the same manner that taskflow can readily use | 20:23 |
| harlowja | i am hoping to get some more traction there soon, as soon as i get some of the basics going in cinder :) | 20:24 |
| harlowja | hoping for the best :) | 20:25 |
| harlowja | sound good changbl ? | 20:25 |
| harlowja | alright, how about we jump into the new update.py mechanism :) | 20:28 |
| harlowja | #topic getting-state-management | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | so after last week i was going to for now to see about having a oslo like 'update.py' mechaism | 20:30 |
| harlowja | so i pushed something out for that | 20:30 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/stackforge/taskflow/blob/master/update.py | 20:31 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/stackforge/taskflow/blob/master/update.py | 20:31 |
| changbl | harlowja, sorry, was interrupted by someone chatting with me | 20:31 |
| changbl | harlowja, thanks for the status update | 20:32 |
| harlowja | np :) | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | so there is a new update.py that we can use until the library is ready | 20:33 |
| harlowja | *similar to oslo | 20:34 |
| harlowja | so i think thats good | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | that way no more need to wait around for the library release (which will come soon i think, but maybe not all ready by H-end) | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | so u can make a similar conf file like oslo that can move the code into taskflow | 20:36 |
| harlowja | primitives = flow.linear_flow,flow.graph_flow,task | 20:36 |
| changbl | i like the idea of using a update.py similar to oslo | 20:37 |
| harlowja | ya, for now it seems like its a 'ok deal' given the situation | 20:37 |
| changbl | what is the difference between oslo/update.py and taskflow/update.py? | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | no major difference, pretty similar actually (from the same code actually, slightly modified for taskflow) | 20:37 |
| changbl | k | 20:38 |
| harlowja | instead of the oslo value of 'modules' though (to copy modules) i put in the 'primitives' way of copying, since taskflow is more built around primitives instead of modules | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | but this way seems ok for now | 20:40 |
| harlowja | sound good? :) | 20:41 |
| changbl | yes~ | 20:41 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | so i'm hoping to get cinder stuff finished by mondayish, then we can have it finally get commited :) | 20:41 |
| harlowja | and then i'll see maybe about trying a nova commit | 20:42 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | so hopefully that will work out well | 20:43 |
| changbl | it the cinder commit this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/? | 20:43 |
| harlowja | correct | 20:43 |
| harlowja | working on fixing it back up | 20:43 |
| harlowja | (rebasing) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | was out on vacation last week, so it is getting old | 20:44 |
| changbl | ok, seems it has been reviewed from May 20 to now... | 20:44 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:44 |
| harlowja | turtle beats the hare :-P | 20:45 |
| changbl | :) | 20:45 |
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| harlowja | #topic open-discussion | 20:46 |
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| harlowja | so anything to talk about :) | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | if nothing thats fine also | 20:51 |
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| changbl | fine with me. I will probably sync with you guys on private channels later | 20:52 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | sounds good | 20:52 |
| harlowja | thx all | 20:52 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 20:53:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-07-25-20.12.html | 20:53 |
| harlowja | bb :) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-07-25-20.12.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-07-25-20.12.log.html | 20:53 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 21:00:17 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:00 |
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| mikal | Hi | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| dansmith | yo | 21:00 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:00 |
| * geekinutah waves | 21:00 | |
| mrodden | hi | 21:00 |
| russellb | happy thursday (or friday) | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | hi | 21:00 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | so I figure we'll spend most of the time going through havana-3 stuff, kind of like we did last week | 21:01 |
| comstud | o/ | 21:01 |
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| russellb | but one thing i wanted to mention first | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic nova wiki pages | 21:01 |
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| bnemec | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | i started working on a couple of wiki pages this week | 21:01 |
| russellb | and i could use help on them, especially the 2nd one | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/CoreTeam | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewChecklist | 21:01 |
| russellb | so, first one i'm trying to write down what the core team is, and what's expected of the members | 21:02 |
| russellb | because i'm not sure it's really written down anywhere ... | 21:02 |
| jog0 | ideally that should be very similar to other core teams | 21:02 |
| vishy | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | so just trying to be more explicit, but would like feedback on anything missing | 21:02 |
| russellb | and the second page i'd like everyone's help with filling in | 21:02 |
| russellb | goal being that we try to improve our consistency in reviews by writing down things to look for | 21:03 |
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| russellb | jog0: yep, and maybe the page becomes more generic once it's fleshed out. i can post to the -dev list | 21:03 |
| jog0 | russellb: ++ to all of the above | 21:03 |
| sdague | there should also be some extra care when looking at db migrations | 21:04 |
| mikal | Sounds like a good idea to me | 21:04 |
| sdague | that's probably worth calling out | 21:04 |
| russellb | sdague: +1 | 21:04 |
| russellb | alright, on to havana-3 | 21:04 |
| russellb | #topic havana-3 | 21:04 |
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| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:04 |
| russellb | 93 blueprints, 2 marked as implemented so far. | 21:05 |
| russellb | so let's just crank through what we can | 21:05 |
| russellb | comstud: alaski: think you can get the cells job working by havana? | 21:05 |
| russellb | right now we have it as a high priority blueprint | 21:05 |
| russellb | hrm | 21:06 |
| alaski | I think it's reasonable to get it running a subset of tests | 21:06 |
| comstud | yeah | 21:06 |
| russellb | k | 21:06 |
| dansmith | that would be awesome | 21:06 |
| sdague | it would be good to get it over the devstack exercises rsn | 21:06 |
| comstud | yeah | 21:06 |
| comstud | that's on my list now that i'm back home | 21:07 |
| sdague | because we don't really know what the shape of tempest is | 21:07 |
| russellb | might end up having to scope this to fixing devstack exercises | 21:07 |
| russellb | because at least then, even non-voting with some tempest failures, it's useful | 21:07 |
| sdague | realistically cells just aren't being configured in devstack right now from what I can tell | 21:07 |
| russellb | whereas with where it fails now, not so much | 21:07 |
| comstud | there seems to be a basic problem in getting any build to work | 21:07 |
| comstud | from what I can tell | 21:07 |
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| russellb | yeah, maybe i screwed it up | 21:08 |
| sdague | the exercises just die because nova dies on anything | 21:08 |
| russellb | i haven't really had a chance to dig | 21:08 |
| russellb | cells seemed to work with that config for me | 21:08 |
| alaski | I started to dig and got sidetracked. I'll spend time with it tomorrow | 21:08 |
| sdague | I think they'll work once devstack is fixed | 21:08 |
| comstud | The config seems okay | 21:08 |
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| russellb | ok, cool | 21:08 |
| sdague | realize there are enough things coming down with devstack-gate that it's not quite a local devstack config | 21:08 |
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| russellb | i think we should definitely aim for having it get pass devstack exercises and into tempest | 21:08 |
| russellb | sdague: yeah, and i didn't test it that way | 21:09 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: around? | 21:09 |
| jog0 | openstack-infra is working on documenting devstack-gate better | 21:09 |
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| joel-coffman | yep | 21:09 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: how goes encrypted cinder volumes? | 21:10 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: i marked it as blocked on the cinder side | 21:10 |
| joel-coffman | thanks, that's still the current status | 21:10 |
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| russellb | k | 21:10 |
| russellb | next is a volume weighter function ... | 21:10 |
| russellb | shouldn't be hard to get in | 21:11 |
| joel-coffman | we're flushing out a few bugs and will resubmit the Cinder patch next week | 21:11 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: ok cool | 21:11 |
| russellb | joel-coffman: let me know if anything changes | 21:11 |
| russellb | comstud: direct mysql? | 21:11 |
| russellb | still optimistic for h-3 ? | 21:11 |
| comstud | optimistic... maybe overly | 21:11 |
| comstud | but still optimistic | 21:11 |
| russellb | well we have way too much, if it's something we can punt, let's do it | 21:11 |
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| comstud | let's revisit next week after I can have time to think | 21:12 |
| russellb | ok | 21:12 |
| russellb | heh | 21:12 |
| comstud | :) | 21:12 |
| russellb | mikal: any progress on libvirt console logging? | 21:12 |
| mikal | russellb: i got bogged down on reviews for instance delete | 21:12 |
| mikal | So no | 21:13 |
| russellb | k | 21:13 |
| russellb | oh, i forgot to link to my havana-3 openstack-dev email | 21:13 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012323.html | 21:13 |
| russellb | cyeoh: v3 api status? we moved some of it to Icehouse already | 21:13 |
| cyeoh | doing cleanup work post-h2 merge. Most of the focus is moving to testing and docs now | 21:14 |
| cyeoh | there are going to be a *lot* of api sample patches going through at some stage | 21:14 |
| russellb | all remaining extensions up for review? | 21:14 |
| cyeoh | I was thinking of batching them up to help with the review load but they will be largish (just the nature of api samples) | 21:15 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: I did hear from Kersten this morning about docs, thanks for that. | 21:15 |
| russellb | ok, sounds good | 21:15 |
| cyeoh | the extensions are in review, there are a handful of things to demote from core though | 21:15 |
| cyeoh | but nothing big there | 21:15 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: oh excellent - trying to work out how we can automate the process | 21:15 |
| russellb | ok, will try to find the ones demoting things for core | 21:16 |
| cyeoh | as there is currently a lot of manual work involved | 21:16 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: yes it'll be great to get it automated | 21:16 |
| annegentle | russellb: I invited her to Docs boot camp | 21:16 |
| cyeoh | russellb: oh I meant there are a handful of ones for demotion from core that need to be written still... (eg they are merged, just as core instead of as an extension) | 21:16 |
| russellb | annegentle: awesome | 21:17 |
| russellb | annegentle: speaking of docs bootcamp, i reached out to some of the nova folks to see who might want to come ... no bites yet | 21:17 |
| russellb | annegentle: s/want/can/ | 21:17 |
| russellb | would really like to have a nova rep though | 21:17 |
| vishy | cyeoh: is the plan to remove some of the extensions that just extend other extensions? | 21:17 |
| vishy | * er combine would be a better word | 21:17 |
| annegentle | russellb: yep, ok thanks | 21:17 |
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| cyeoh | vishy: yes I think we've caught all of the ones that are just dummy placeholder ones | 21:18 |
| dansmith | well, some function is being promoted too, right? | 21:18 |
| cyeoh | vishy: and some of the others which are plainly just there because that was the only way to extend extensions | 21:18 |
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| vishy | cyeoh: cool I could use a link to the info about how to convert v2 to v3 since i need to do it for volume-swap | 21:18 |
| cyeoh | vishy: but if you know of any others that you think should be merged, please let us know | 21:18 |
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| russellb | vishy: a straight conversion is pretty easy | 21:18 |
| russellb | vishy: tons of examples that have been merged | 21:18 |
| russellb | vishy: search for "part 1" and "part 2" commits | 21:19 |
| cyeoh | vishy, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/PortingAPIExtensionToV3 covers most of it | 21:19 |
| vishy | russellb: ok cool thx | 21:19 |
| cyeoh | vishy: though yea looking at examples will probably tell you more :-) | 21:19 |
| russellb | vishy: not sure if you caught it last week, but we decided we're pushing off finalization of v3 to Icehouse | 21:19 |
| russellb | so we'll have it as experimental in Havana, and will tighten it up for Icehouse | 21:20 |
| russellb | ok, so before I just keep going down the list, any specific blueprints anyone would like to discuss? | 21:20 |
| cyeoh | we kind of need to work out when we will gate on v3 api tempest tests too as just adding them will blow out the test time (unless we have another vm) | 21:20 |
| dansmith | boo | 21:20 |
| russellb | dansmith: boo what | 21:21 |
| dansmith | boo making the gate slower :P | 21:21 |
| russellb | oh | 21:21 |
| russellb | isn't there a tempest testr job now? heh | 21:21 |
| dansmith | I'm just being silly | 21:21 |
| * russellb nods | 21:21 | |
| dansmith | it does suck to have to create and destroy twice as many guests, but .. | 21:21 |
| russellb | MOAR jobs! | 21:22 |
| russellb | so any specific blueprints or bugs anyone wants to provide an update on? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | russellb: just fyi that i'm told a patch will be up for this before end of week: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/powervm-configdrive | 21:22 |
| sdague | so the testr job could also use some help in debug. Most of the races are nova things we've tripped up. And it's a mix of tempest and nova bugs from what we can see. | 21:22 |
| russellb | mriedem: ok, blueprint says "not started", could use an update | 21:23 |
| mriedem | russellb: does launchpad change status when a patch is pushed for it like it does for bugs? | 21:23 |
| russellb | mriedem: only bugs | 21:23 |
| russellb | blueprints are manual | 21:23 |
| mriedem | russellb: ok, i'll let david know | 21:24 |
| russellb | it's thrilling. | 21:24 |
| russellb | ok, well if nobody has specific blueprints they want to discuss, we can move to open discussion | 21:24 |
| russellb | in general, i'm going to have to start aggressively pushing things out to Icehouse that don't look like they have progress | 21:24 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:25 |
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| russellb | so what else is going on? | 21:25 |
| dansmith | I have seen a bug a couple times, | 21:25 |
| dansmith | once locally and in jenkins a bit: | 21:25 |
| dansmith | http://logs.openstack.org/63/36363/17/check/gate-nova-python26/29748/console.html | 21:25 |
| dansmith | anyone else seeing that? | 21:25 |
| jog0 | dansmith: yup | 21:25 |
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| jog0 | was gonna say the same thing | 21:25 |
| dansmith | okay, didn't see a bug for it | 21:25 |
| clarkb | dansmith: there is a bug that was opened against openstack-ci | 21:25 |
| clarkb | dansmith: let me find it so it can be moved to nova | 21:26 |
| dansmith | ah, okay | 21:26 |
| russellb | clarkb: highlight on "jenkins" ? heh | 21:26 |
| clarkb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1205022 | 21:26 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1205022 in openstack-ci "gate-nova-python26 fails build" [Undecided,New] | 21:26 |
| jog0 | I saw it for py27 to I think | 21:26 |
| jog0 | yeah http://logs.openstack.org/36/36436/5/check/gate-nova-python27/29937/console.html.gz | 21:27 |
| bnemec | I saw that locally too. | 21:28 |
| * dansmith blames comstud | 21:28 | |
| russellb | well then | 21:28 |
| russellb | who's going to fix it? :-) | 21:28 |
| dansmith | the bug tracker really needs a "to-blame" field | 21:28 |
| mrodden | make a tag | 21:29 |
| mrodden | blame-comstud | 21:29 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I'll look at it | 21:29 |
| clarkb | dansmith: is that so that bugs opened against nova can be blamed on infra? | 21:29 |
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| dansmith | it's instance-related so it's *possible* it's objects related, but I doubt it, given its location | 21:29 |
| dansmith | clarkb: no, we could even hard-code the field to be "comstud" for all I care :P | 21:29 |
| jog0 | I am unable to produce it locally | 21:30 |
| dansmith | I saw it once | 21:30 |
| bnemec | It's inconsistent. | 21:30 |
| bnemec | One time I got two failures, the next none, the next only one. | 21:31 |
| jog0 | this may be python version related | 21:31 |
| russellb | dragondm: around? i haven't heard/seen anything on versioning notifications | 21:32 |
| russellb | dragondm: have tried to ping a few times :-/ | 21:32 |
| dragondm | ah, yah, that's been sidelined for awhile, because of other, more pressing work. | 21:33 |
| russellb | dragondm: ok, so should I just push it off to Icehouse? | 21:33 |
| dragondm | yah, for now | 21:34 |
| russellb | dragondm: ok, thanks | 21:34 |
| comstud | wait, wut!? i didn't do nothin'. | 21:34 |
| russellb | alright any other topics before i shut down the meeting? | 21:34 |
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| russellb | alrighty then | 21:35 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:35 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 21:35:25 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| mikal | Bye! | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-25-21.00.html | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-25-21.00.txt | 21:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-25-21.00.log.html | 21:35 |
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| comstud | ty | 21:36 |
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