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| mestery | rkukura, rcurran, matrohon: here? | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | hey! | 14:00 |
| mestery | Lets do the ML2 meeting! | 14:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 14:00:21 2013 UTC. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
| mestery | #topic Action Items | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ML2 ML2 Wiki | 14:00 |
| mestery | We should try to start filling up the ML2 wiki page. | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | I have not made any progress on this, but will. Others should contribute as well. | 14:01 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Yes, agreed! I plan to add some devstack setup info this week. | 14:01 |
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| rkukura | I'm planning to add an intro and links to slides, etc. | 14:01 |
| mestery | That would be most helpful for folks new to ML2. | 14:02 |
| rkukura | Then we should link it into the main neutron wiki page's list of plugins | 14:02 |
| mestery | #action ML2 Team to update ML2 wiki page. | 14:02 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Is arosen on the same page as ML2 multi-segment networks with this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33736/ | 14:03 |
| mestery | That was the next action item on the list. | 14:03 |
| mestery | from last week | 14:03 |
| rkukura | i haven't heard any objections to that approach - will do a detailed review | 14:03 |
| mestery | rkukura: Great, thanks! | 14:03 |
| rkukura | and will look into exposing that extension | 14:03 |
| rkukura | arosen did ping me about it last week | 14:04 |
| mestery | rkukura: There is also this one from the Cisco side: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/multi-segment-and-trunk-support-cisco-nexus1000v | 14:04 |
| mestery | rkukura: That one will be implemented in the context of Nexus 1000V, just throwing it out there for now. | 14:04 |
| rkukura | same extension API? | 14:05 |
| mestery | I need to validate that and get back to you, but I believe it's very similar yes. | 14:05 |
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| rkukura | I'm thinking this approach could give more flexibility for type drivers to define sensible attributes | 14:05 |
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| mestery | OK, great! | 14:06 |
| mestery | OK, moving on to the next agenda item. | 14:06 |
| mestery | #topic Blueprint Updates | 14:06 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/33201 MechanismDriver Review | 14:07 |
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| mestery | apech can't make it today | 14:07 |
| mestery | But I think the MechanismDriver review is in good shape now. | 14:07 |
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| rkukura | that one is looking good to me - could get in today | 14:07 |
| mestery | rkukura: My thoughts exactly! | 14:07 |
| rkukura | I will test it in devstack today and +2 if no issues | 14:07 |
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| mestery | Great! I hope we can get that one and the GRE and VXLAN type drivers in today if possible. | 14:08 |
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| mestery | Any questions on MechanismDriver review? | 14:08 |
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| rkukura | is apech available if updates are needed today? | 14:08 |
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| mestery | Yes, he said he would be online most of the day, just not for hte meeting. | 14:08 |
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| sukhdev | rkukura: I can fill in for apech, if needed | 14:09 |
| mestery | sukhdev: Thanks! | 14:09 |
| mestery | OK, next blueprint. | 14:09 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ml2-portbinding ML2 PortBinding | 14:09 |
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| rkukura | no progress - tied up with release work - should free up today to work on this | 14:10 |
| mestery | rkukura: How goes PortBinding? | 14:10 |
| mestery | So this one is likely H3 then right? | 14:10 |
| rkukura | right | 14:10 |
| rkukura | but early H3 | 14:10 |
| mestery | OK | 14:10 |
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| mestery | OK, any questions on PortBinding? | 14:10 |
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| rkukura | anyone know if the nova side got in ? | 14:11 |
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| mestery | I don't think it quite made it yet. | 14:11 |
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| sukhdev | Yes, Nova side is in | 14:11 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/33297 ML2 GRE | 14:12 |
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| mestery | matrohon: Hi | 14:12 |
| matrohon | hi : I will push a new version with alembic script | 14:12 |
| mestery | Great! I did the same for VXLAN. If that's your only change, I won't have to rebase the VXLAN review against yours. | 14:13 |
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| mestery | I think we can get ML2 GRE in today, what do you think matrohon?> | 14:13 |
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| rkukura | Are Zhang Hua's comments all addressed? | 14:13 |
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| matrohon | mestery I hope so, maybe tomorrow because it's the end of the day for me | 14:14 |
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| mestery | I think matrohon was waiting for Zhang Hua to respond to a few of his comments. | 14:14 |
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| rkukura | I think he wanted the range numbers stripped | 14:14 |
| matrohon | rkukura: zhang hua complains about lockmode('update') | 14:14 |
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| matrohon | which is used everywhere else | 14:15 |
| rkukura | let just be consistent with the rest of neutron on this for now | 14:15 |
| mestery | Agreed | 14:15 |
| mestery | rkukura: Does the freeze for H2 mean that if we don't get this in today it won't make H2? | 14:15 |
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| rkukura | I think so | 14:16 |
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| rkukura | end of day today | 14:16 |
| mestery | OK, it's likely then this and VXLAN will land early in H3. | 14:16 |
| rkukura | seems we could get gre in today | 14:16 |
| matrohon | ok, i will propose something before the end of the day | 14:17 |
| mestery | matrohon: thanks! | 14:17 |
| mestery | Anything else on ML2 GRE? | 14:17 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35384/2 ML2 VXLAN | 14:17 |
| amotoki__ | mestery: from yesterday neutron: mark said "All blueprints for H2 need to be proposed by Thursday," | 14:18 |
| mestery | I addressed all remaining comments with the review I pushed out this morning. | 14:18 |
| mestery | amotoki__: Thanks! | 14:18 |
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| mestery | So I'm hopeful to get some +1s on the ML2 VXLAN review today. | 14:18 |
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| mestery | However, ML2 VXLAN is dependent on ML2 GRE to upstream, so I need GRE to go up first. | 14:19 |
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| mestery | Any ML2 VXLAN questions? | 14:19 |
| rkukura | looks like multicast address is move to conf now, right? | 14:19 |
| matrohon | mestery : do you keep multicast group in base? | 14:20 |
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| mestery | It's in the VXLANAllocation, if that's what you mean. | 14:20 |
| matrohon | i'm not against this but i though that we decided to leave it only in the conf file | 14:20 |
| mestery | matrohon: I think I missed that. I can spin a new version with that change, though. | 14:21 |
| rkukura | that was my understanding as well | 14:21 |
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| mestery | OK, I will respin after the meeting with this change. | 14:21 |
| matrohon | mestery : if we don't mind, thanks | 14:21 |
| mestery | matrohon: No worries, it's a simple change, thanks for reminding me! | 14:22 |
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| mestery | #action mestery to respin the ML2 VXLAN review with muilticast group configuration via config file | 14:22 |
| mestery | Anything else on ML2 VXLAN before we move on? | 14:23 |
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| mestery | #topic ML2 Related Bugs and Blueprints | 14:23 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33107/ tunnel_types review | 14:24 |
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| mestery | I hope to push a new version of this patch out later today | 14:24 |
| mestery | Hit some issues doing some testing with devstack (not related to my change) yesterday | 14:24 |
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| mestery | But I believe the version I will push goes the full way and will address gongysh's concerns. | 14:24 |
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| mestery | Would be great to see if this can make H2 today! rkukura, any chance you can review this later today? | 14:25 |
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| rkukura | I will | 14:25 |
| mestery | The incremental change is minimal | 14:25 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Thanks! | 14:25 |
| mestery | OK, moving on | 14:26 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/campus-network Campus Networks | 14:26 |
| mestery | Is Filipe here? | 14:26 |
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| fmanco | Hi | 14:26 |
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| mestery | fmanco: Hey! | 14:26 |
| mestery | Not sure if people have looked at fmanco's blueprint, but there is some overlap with ML2, and some ideas on extending ML2 as well. | 14:26 |
| fmanco | mestery: thanks for bringing this | 14:27 |
| mestery | I think this makes sense for the ML2 team to review and provide feedback to fmanco. What do people think? | 14:27 |
| rkukura | had not seen it, but will definitely need to read it | 14:28 |
| fmanco | From my point of view I think I will have to extend the MechanismDriver | 14:28 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks! I encourage other ML2 team members to review as well. | 14:28 |
| mestery | fmanco: I think so too. My only concern is if this is something we can do in H3 or not. | 14:28 |
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| mestery | I think once rkukura and I have reviewed in detail we can provide more guidance. | 14:29 |
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| fmanco | mestery: I'm not sure | 14:29 |
| sukhdev | I had not seen it either - I will look at it - sounds intersting | 14:29 |
| fmanco | If I can divide it somehow I think maybe it can hit H3 | 14:29 |
| fmanco | but not all the blueprint almost for sure | 14:29 |
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| mestery | fmanco: That's a good plan, can you see how you might do that and propose that in your blueprint? | 14:29 |
| fmanco | mestery: sure | 14:30 |
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| mestery | #action fmanco Split out the campus network blueprint into something which can maybe make H3 | 14:30 |
| rkukura | sounds like a good Icehouse summit topic to me! | 14:31 |
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| mestery | OK, moving on. | 14:31 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/l2-population L2 Population blueprint | 14:31 |
| mestery | Is Francois here? | 14:31 |
| mestery | Wait: I see this is now assigned to matrohon | 14:32 |
| mestery | matrohon: Are you doing the L2 population work now? | 14:32 |
| matrohon | it's not begin yet | 14:32 |
| mestery | matrohon: OK | 14:32 |
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| matrohon | we still targeting it for H3 | 14:32 |
| mestery | #info L2 Population Blueprint now targeted for H3 | 14:33 |
| matrohon | but I have to take care about multi-tunnel support bug first | 14:33 |
| mestery | You mean bug 1196963 | 14:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1196963 in neutron "Update the OVS agent code to program tunnels using ports instead of tunnel IDs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196963 | 14:33 |
| matrohon | yes | 14:33 |
| mestery | OK, cool! | 14:34 |
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| mestery | Can you target that one to H3? I see markmcclain moved it to wishlist and no milestone. | 14:34 |
| matrohon | ok | 14:34 |
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| mestery | #action matrohon to target 1196963 to H3 | 14:34 |
| mestery | OK, any other bugs or blueprints the ML2 team should be tracking? | 14:35 |
| rcurran | i take it you're purposefully leaving off the arista/cisco mech drivers for now | 14:35 |
| rkukura | is event-based polling still important? | 14:35 |
| mestery | rcurran: Yes, we'll talk about those in the next section | 14:36 |
| mestery | rkukura: Is that an opened bug or blueprint? | 14:36 |
| mestery | OR something that we may want to implement in ML2? | 14:36 |
| rkukura | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1177973 | 14:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1177973 in neutron "OVS L2 agent polling is too cpu intensive (dup-of: 1194438)" [Medium,In progress] | 14:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1194438 in neutron/grizzly "compute node's OVS agent takes long time to scan sync all port's stat and update port security rules" [High,In progress] | 14:36 |
| mestery | rkukura: I missed that one, it is being tracked on the ML2 meeting page. | 14:37 |
| rkukura | A separate improvement in polling went in, but event-based may still be worth doing | 14:37 |
| mestery | rkukura: That particular bug is unassigned now. | 14:37 |
| sukhdev | mestery: Arista driver is pretty much ready - just waiting on portbinding to make through, and test it | 14:37 |
| rkukura | looks like it was marked as a duplicate | 14:38 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I see that now | 14:38 |
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| rkukura | Lets think about whether event-based is still worth doing | 14:39 |
| mestery | rkukura: Seems like a large change, do we have someone with cycles to fully implement and test this out? | 14:39 |
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| rkukura | not sure, but long term is probably worthwhile | 14:40 |
| rkukura | I'll talk to maru who originally filed it | 14:40 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks! | 14:40 |
| mestery | #action rkukura To discuss event-based polling bug with maru. | 14:40 |
| mestery | OK lets move on now. | 14:41 |
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| mestery | #topic Ported Mechanism Drivers | 14:41 |
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| mestery | sukhdev: Arista driver updates? | 14:41 |
| sukhdev | mestry: it is on track - as soon portbinding support makes it in, I am ready to go with this | 14:42 |
| mestery | sukhdev: Great! | 14:42 |
| mestery | rcurran: Cisco driver updates? | 14:42 |
| sukhdev | Other than create_port (which needs binding info) all is a go | 14:42 |
| rcurran | need to change how we access the external device info (existing cisco subplugin bug) | 14:42 |
| rcurran | need to add UTs | 14:42 |
| rcurran | but overall progress is fine | 14:43 |
| mestery | rcurran: Are you also dependent on portbinding? | 14:43 |
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| rcurran | yes | 14:43 |
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| mestery | OK | 14:43 |
| rkukura | OK, this is my highest priority for the rest of this week | 14:43 |
| sukhdev | rkukura: thanks | 14:44 |
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| mestery | With respect to the OpenDaylight driver, we were waiting for OVSDB support on the OpenDaylight side, and someone has stepped up to implement that work there. | 14:45 |
| mestery | So I'm still hopeful we can get an ODL MechanismDriver done for H3. | 14:45 |
| mestery | Is Like Gorrie here for an update on the Tail-f NCS MechanismDriver? | 14:45 |
| mestery | *Luke | 14:45 |
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| mestery | #topic Question? | 14:47 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else we need to discuss today? | 14:47 |
| rkukura | Is anyone else seeing unit test failures with ml2 on trunk: | 14:47 |
| rkukura | FAIL: neutron.tests.unit.ml2.test_agent_scheduler.Ml2AgentSchedulerTestCase.test_network_add_to_dhcp_agent | 14:47 |
| mestery | rkukura: I just ran them all (including GRE and VXLAN) and they all worked fine for me. | 14:47 |
| mestery | This was with Fedora19. | 14:47 |
| mestery | rkukura: Have you tried blowing away your .tox directory and letting it recreate? | 14:48 |
| mestery | That has helped me before (though I don't know why). | 14:48 |
| rkukura | yes, many times | 14:48 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I'll reverify after the meeting and ping you on IRC with my results. | 14:49 |
| rkukura | mestery: thanks - this is really baffling me | 14:49 |
| mestery | OK, lets see if we can get the MechanismDriver review merged today if we can! | 14:49 |
| mestery | And as a stretch goal, the GRE and VXLAN TypeDrivers as well. | 14:50 |
| mestery | Thanks for everyone's hard work on ML2 items! | 14:50 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 14:50:19 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-07-10-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-07-10-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-07-10-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 15:02:01 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | Hello, who is around for the XenAPI meeting? | 15:02 |
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| matel | I am here | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more people around? | 15:05 |
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| euanh_ | I'm here | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:05 |
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| matel | Okay, so I have a question. | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | sorry - I thought I was in here! | 15:06 |
| matel | Does RS has pygrub installed in domU/ | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: oh, good question, don't think so, let me check | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone got stuff to raise today? | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | not from me that I can think of | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | although my brain is in so many different places who knows if I'll remember something | 15:08 |
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| matel | I have another question about what images are used for testing within RS | 15:08 |
| matel | And if RS support 3 part images at all | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: just our usual image we use in production, no three part images | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: all vhds in the usual way | 15:09 |
| matel | Okay, I had a discussion around a tempest test. | 15:09 |
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| matel | I was using a vhd, and it behaves in a different way compared to the 3 part ones. | 15:10 |
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| matel | If anyone is interested: #link https://review.openstack.org/35841 | 15:10 |
| matel | It's not a biggie, and I am about to commit the change. | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: what happens differently? | 15:11 |
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| matel | create an image from an instance | 15:12 |
| matel | minDisk parameter | 15:12 |
| matel | the review page contains all the info. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure I get it | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is minDisk trying to say? | 15:13 |
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| matel | I guess a minDisk in an image whould indicate the minimum required disk. | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, that makes sense | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I think our behavior makes sense, trying to understand the other case | 15:14 |
| matel | Yeah, that is strange. | 15:14 |
| matel | I think afazekas said that it should be the behavior as well. | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, odd one | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:15 |
| matel | I just have a comment, that I looked to the volume related stuff today, and we would definitely need to clean up that part. | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | in tempest? | 15:17 |
| matel | In nova | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats up with it, looking at the volume driver stuff again? | 15:17 |
| matel | yes | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lots of tidying required in there | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats the state of that blueprint? | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we think its more important than the other ones we have for h-3? | 15:18 |
| matel | Trying to catch up what's needed, but did not do too much with it this week. | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | I guess the problem we have with the h-3 blueprints is that other priorities are overtaking it | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sure, we just need to keep that up to date | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is so low priority about what is in those bps | 15:20 |
| matel | I think we could look at the bps on Monday, and update their status, Bob, what do you think? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | or should we raise new ones for the work you are doing now | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | just good to be clear on our plans for H | 15:20 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:21 |
| BobBall | we'll updapte on Monday | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | H-3 is going to be super full of stuff, so we might be thanked for dropping a few bits, particular if it anit making it in | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action BobBall to update blueprint around Citrix efforts | 15:21 |
| BobBall | much of the work we're doing isn't a BP type thing - e.g. making our integration using supported interfaces | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, that is a blueprint really, but hey | 15:21 |
| BobBall | it is? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | or could be I guess | 15:22 |
| BobBall | well we can add that for sure! | 15:22 |
| BobBall | okay | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | just need to add the sub steps correctly, and you might want it in several bps, if it will go over several sprints | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sadly there is no epic or group of blueprints, just make the end goal the last bp in the set of dependencies | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: how to I check for pygrub again? | 15:23 |
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| matel | john, I don't really understand your q | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, I am on a nova-compute, checking for pygrup | 15:24 |
| matel | I was looking at that bug, and discovered, that the same pygrub logic is used if you're booting a raw volume. | 15:24 |
| matel | So I don't want to screw up RS functionality, so that's why I ended up asking you if you guys have pygrub in domU | 15:25 |
| matel | I know that we agreed to remove that logic, and I would love to do that, although I think an extra check should not be a pain. | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: we don't boot from a volume today | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: it only uses that with nfs though, right? | 15:25 |
| matel | john: Do you boot raw volumes? | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel, we don't boot from any volumes | 15:26 |
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| matel | It has noting to do with nfs | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do you mean by raw volumes? | 15:26 |
| matel | sorry, I meant raw images | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, we don't have raw images either | 15:26 |
| matel | Okay, so you only have vhd. | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, ^ | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | all vhd, no three part | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | all ovf | 15:27 |
| matel | tgz -ed vhd | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | trailling some ISO booting, but thats separate | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: yep | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | when do we use pygrub with raw images then? | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | surely its only when there is no os_type stated? | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel ^ | 15:29 |
| matel | yes, I guess, I am digging the code. | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is nothing much special about raw image | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we just stream into a VHD, then keep going down the same path as VHD | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | Am I still here? | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: can confirm we don't have pygrub on nova-compute | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yes | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more questions? | 15:31 |
| matel | Okay. | 15:32 |
| BobBall | I thought so | 15:32 |
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| matel | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/vm_utils.py#L1457 | 15:32 |
| BobBall | Sorry - a bit of a rubbish one from me today | 15:32 |
| matel | You see john, raw is using the same pygrub approach. | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: gotya | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: but only once its not marked on the image | 15:33 |
| matel | sure. | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | ooh, maybe not... | 15:33 |
| matel | I'm gonna remove that intel. | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am +1 on that | 15:33 |
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| matel | Okay, let the code speak, I will add you to the reviewers. | 15:34 |
| matel | I am done. | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, sounds best | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more? | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | just the one action for bob to update blueprint | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | s | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am mostly tracing down a few gremlins and race conditions we are seeing, but thats about all | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 15:35:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-07-10-15.02.html | 15:35 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 17:00:31 2013 UTC. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | Greetings! Who is around to talk OpenStack + VMwareAPI? | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | Okay, I got a few notes from folks saying they would be late or miss the meeting this time around. The rule of the week is reviews, reviews, reviews. | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | If there's seriously nobody around to discuss I'll just head over and conduct some reviews myself. | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | For the record then... | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:06 | |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/fc-support-for-vcenter-driver | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35633/ needs reviews | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-vmware-disk-usage | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | moved to havana-3 | 17:07 |
| danwent | sorry i'm late :) | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | np | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | just you and I in here right now. | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | I was going to leave some links/status updates for the record then move to reviews | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-clone-strategy | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | is work in progress, moved to havana-3 | 17:09 |
| danwent | garyk seems to be here | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | @garyk yt? | 17:09 |
| danwent | but not sure where HP + Canonical are | 17:09 |
| danwent | mmm… may be afk | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | HP's rep and Canonical's rep sent me a PM that they weren't going to make tonight's meeting. | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | The big update would be we only have one BP trying to make H2 now. | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | Never mind… looks like he updated it this morning... | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-clusters-managed-by-one-service | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | Is set to Havana-3 now. | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | This is up for review again. | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | That leaves us with only bugs for the H-2 milestone | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | More for the record than anything else... | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | I see 13 open bugs. | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | 5 bugs set for H2 deadline | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | hmm... | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | miss counted .... | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | 4 bugs | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180897 | 17:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180897 in nova "nova boot fails to attach vmdk in multi-host environments" [High,In progress] | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | This is related to non-DRS clusters. Perhaps we should drop it to "Low/Medium" priority and move it away from a milestone? | 17:15 |
| sabari_ | Even with drs clusters, does this issue happen with multiple datacenters ? | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | I'll put a note to follow up on multiple datacenters. | 17:17 |
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| sabari_ | Sure, if so it can still hold its priority is what I think | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | I'll spend some time with this bug today since it's assigned to me. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | Here's another bug: | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1190515 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1190515 in nova "disconnected ESXi Hosts cause VMWare driver failure" [High,In progress] | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | @sabari_ I think that's yours right? | 17:19 |
| sabari_ | I need to address some review comments and send out a new patchset | 17:19 |
| sabari_ | Apart from that the fix is all set | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | Okay. You might hit H2 then? | 17:19 |
| sabari_ | I hope so. If I get enough reviews. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | I'm going to spend most of the rest of my development time this week on reviews. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | The word of the day is... | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | reviews, reviews, reviews! | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | 3rd open bug fro H2: | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1189585 | 17:22 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189585 in nova "VNC default password for vmwareapi is bad" [Low,In progress] | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | I think we decided this was not a bug after all right? | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | The resolution was that it wasn't ESXi that didn't allow blank passwords, but the VNC client. So this shouldn't be changed. | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | I'll leave a note on that bug asking about that. | 17:23 |
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| sabari_ | For bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180897 , my comment was not valid. I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180044 | 17:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180897 in nova "nova boot fails to attach vmdk in multi-host environments without DRS properly enabled" [Medium,In progress] | 17:24 |
| sabari_ | Sorry about that | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | ah. | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | Just make a note in after the comment made in error, then comment in the right place. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | I think that's all you can do. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | There's no editing comments. | 17:25 |
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| hartsocks | Is Tracy around? | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180471 | 17:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180471 in nova "vmware: vmdk fail to attach to new VMs when using "thin" vmdk" [High,In progress] | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | That's the last thing slated for Havana-2. | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | (at least that I see) | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | IIRC: there's progress being made. My only query was whether it will make Havana-2 or if it should be moved to Havana-3. | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | Okay. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | So we've covered blueprints, all of them are now set to Havana-3 after all. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | We've covered the 4 bugs that are open and set for Havana-2 | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | Anything else to discuss? | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | Any pet reviews? | 17:29 |
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| garyk | hi guys. sorry i am late | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | @garyk thanks for joining. It's late there. | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | We're in open discussion right now. | 17:32 |
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| garyk | ok. is there anything special that we should focus on that i missed? | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | I have 12 open reviews that I need to get to by Friday. | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | I see @garyk at the bottom of the list :-) | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36411/ | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | @garyk this your review? | 17:34 |
| garyk | hartsocks: :). i'll take a look at the reviews later and tomorrow. i have a working setup with devstack (nice instructions). this helps validate them | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | @garyk I like hearing that my instructions work. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | @garyk I added a troubleshooting section on networking. I have not had to use this extra config in my own setup but I understand if you are behind certain types of firewalls you need to follow extra networking config. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | Just FYI. | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | Any other topics to discuss? Any other follow up items? | 17:36 |
| garyk | ok. thanks. i'll check it out. | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | Also, if you think I should look at something, or track something… http://i.imgur.com/XLINkt3.png | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | add me as a reviewer. Use my username, not email. | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | Okay, so the word for the next couple weeks is reviews, reviews, reviews! | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | I'll go ahead and sign us off. | 17:39 |
| danwent | slow week :) | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | Remember: #openstack-vmware is always open for discussion. | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | @danwent reminds me of week #1 :-) | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
| danwent | :) | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 17:40:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-07-10-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-07-10-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
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| garyk | nati_ueno: ping | 18:32 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: hi! | 18:32 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: what's meeting going on? | 18:32 |
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| notmyname | meeting time for swift | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | just saw the time | 19:03 |
| notmyname | anyone here? | 19:03 |
| portante | here | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 19:04:00 2013 UTC. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:04 |
| * portante finally sees that as raising a hand | 19:04 | |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:04 |
| portante | given that only three of us are here, we can prolly keep this short | 19:04 |
| notmyname | the only agenda item that I know of is portante and/or zaitcev talking about diskfile refactors | 19:04 |
| portante | great | 19:04 |
| portante | do we all agree that it should be done? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | well, you may have seen a little blog post :-) | 19:05 |
| notmyname | http://swiftstack.com/blog/2013/07/10/erasure-codes-with-openstack-swift/ | 19:05 |
| portante | I have heard about it | 19:05 |
| notmyname | #topic diskfile refactors | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "diskfile refactors (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:05 | |
| notmyname | portante: yes, I think diskfile refactors are good | 19:05 |
| portante | great, any other topcs? | 19:05 |
| portante | ;) | 19:05 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:05 |
| portante | o/ | 19:05 |
| clayg | o/ | 19:06 |
| zaitcev | well, there's DB broker too | 19:06 |
| portante | aquaducts? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | portante: I have a questions | 19:06 |
| portante | ah, so there are other people lurking | 19:06 |
| notmyname | portante: how will a deployer be able to select a disk file implementation? | 19:06 |
| portante | any other lurkers out there? | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | as in, your glusters stuff monkey patches swift, but IMO that's not great | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | I don't know how a lurker would answer that question truthfully | 19:07 |
| portante | right now we use the configuration file to just pick the python class of the outer layer | 19:07 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: FWIW, I'm "not my name" | 19:07 |
| notmyname | portante: as in a use=egg#... line? | 19:07 |
| portante | yes | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | the object server has a _diskfile() method that is now the one spot responsible for instantiation of a DiskFile object | 19:07 |
| zaitcev | So, it's not exactly what's commonly understood as "monkey patching", when code changes global semantics of classes or functions by assigning to htem. I think. | 19:08 |
| portante | the outer class is just a subclass of the servesr that invokes a different diskfile object | 19:08 |
| notmyname | did I miss a patch that is doing that in swift right now? | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | so if you wanted to cram something in there, that'd be a good spot maybe | 19:08 |
| portante | torgomatic: take a look at the refactoring work, though | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | portante: I reviewed the first patch in the series | 19:09 |
| zaitcev | I wanted to get away from overloading _diskfile(), _get_account_broker(), and _get_container_broker(). But honestly I do not have a whole lot of reasoning, I just hate when API implementors (even in-tree ones) do stuff like that | 19:09 |
| portante | don't you read the last page of the book before the rest? ;) | 19:09 |
| portante | hate? | 19:09 |
| zaitcev | Yeah, like *rawr* | 19:09 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: it's funny to me reading that in your russian accent ;-) | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | could make swift.obj.server.ObjectController() take an optional diskfile_class arg that defaults to the obvious thing | 19:10 |
| portante | yes | 19:10 |
| portante | see the refactoring work. :) | 19:10 |
| portante | hint hint | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | Actually that's in 30051 already, it's called disk_klass or something | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | With German accent. | 19:11 |
| portante | the parameter to the controller, I think so | 19:11 |
| portante | i'm itialian, though | 19:11 |
| portante | maybe I should have called is disk_pizza | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | we should call it disc_klass just to be sure nobody can ever type it | 19:11 |
| portante | yes! | 19:12 |
| zaitcev | Oh god | 19:12 |
| portante | seriously, though | 19:12 |
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| zaitcev | Seriously though, the biggest problem is, are we in time for Havana | 19:12 |
| notmyname | portante: do you have specific topics or questions you want to raise in here today? beyond "do we want it?" | 19:12 |
| clayg | I added klass to daemon onetime and always regretted it, pep8 acctually says to use a trialing _ to avoid keyword naming conflicts | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | anyhow, it sounds like the existing refactors could use some more reviewers, especially since they're chained together | 19:12 |
| clayg | i.e. hash_ and class_ | 19:12 |
| portante | I would like to drum up support to get some review eyes on it | 19:12 |
| notmyname | clayg: assert_ | 19:12 |
| portante | notmyname: ^^^ | 19:13 |
| notmyname | portante: I've been busy writing blog posts about erasure codes :-) | 19:13 |
| clayg | portante: I'll look at it! | 19:13 |
| clayg | don't know if you consider that a good thing :\ | 19:13 |
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| portante | clayg: I do, thanks! | 19:13 |
| clayg | oh phew, finally got to the first one :\ | 19:14 |
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| zaitcev | That was rather vague post, I saw it. It said "we have proposals on the table" but did not link to blessed proposals. Man, they even publish contestants of government tenders for secret misslies. | 19:14 |
| portante | there is one wart in it that I would love to have some mind share on, that is with the new DiskReader class | 19:14 |
| portante | the current code passes all the unit tests, but I have not run it against the functional tess | 19:15 |
| portante | tests | 19:15 |
| zaitcev | tell meee | 19:15 |
| clayg | portante: we have a DiskWriter now right? what's one more? | 19:15 |
| portante | the submits leading up to the last one were done to address the API changes that affect existing code, hiding interfaces to make it easier to identify the nature of an on-disk implementation | 19:16 |
| notmyname | DiscRighter? | 19:16 |
| zaitcev | So, Peter, what's the wart? | 19:16 |
| portante | the DiskReader and DiskWriter classes are helper classes that allow an implementation to change how reads and writes are performed with the caller using a simple interface to get them | 19:16 |
| clayg | portante: I'm not sure how that last comment was directed at - everyone here agree's it's a good idea asfaik - I acctually think you've made a lot of good progress already; it's not surprising you have to rattle the cage in the last mile | 19:17 |
| portante | the DiskReader object inherits the open file from the DiskFile class, to avoid having to open it again | 19:18 |
| portante | but the handoff point as to who closes that file is tricky | 19:18 |
| portante | a with context is used to hide the caller having to know when it should close it, but the app_iter object still needs it open long after PUT API code starts the wsgi response | 19:19 |
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| portante | if folks are open to it, I would not mind doing a guided walk through on hangouts or something | 19:19 |
| cschwede | @portante: +1 | 19:20 |
| clayg | portante: k, i'll need to familiarize myself then; i sorta want to say if you have stuff like that leaking between classes and it looks weird; it's probably because they should be the same class? Or everything under a module of some kind? Like a single class that's passed to functions which can be swapped out via entrypoint... | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | portante: I think that's a good idea | 19:20 |
| zaitcev | I see. | 19:20 |
| portante | clayg: yes, perhaps | 19:20 |
| portante | notmyname: regarding the guided hangouts walk through? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | yes | 19:21 |
| portante | do we have a swift email list that I should post a time request? | 19:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: can you action portante to schedule that - maybe on the ML | 19:21 |
| notmyname | no, there is just the openstack list | 19:22 |
| portante | which ML? | 19:22 |
| portante | k that is where I'll action it. | 19:22 |
| portante | ;0 | 19:22 |
| portante | ;) | 19:22 |
| clayg | portante: let's do it before the next meeting but maybe with some runway so I can read the code before-hand | 19:22 |
| notmyname | portante: I'd suggest choosing a time next week | 19:22 |
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| zaitcev | portante: I would move that open from DiskFile.reader() into DiskReader.__init__(). It's not like you're re-using the old _fp that init of DiskFile sets up | 19:22 |
| portante | how wed next week? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #action portante to chose a time for a guided walkthrough of the DiskFile refactors and progress | 19:22 |
| portante | k | 19:23 |
| notmyname | portante: works for me | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | okay. At least portante has something to show. I need to catch up | 19:23 |
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| clayg | portante: yeah same time next week wfm, but you should send something out for folks that aren't here | 19:23 |
| portante | yes | 19:23 |
| notmyname | portante: you're talking about a google hangout, right? | 19:23 |
| portante | I'll do that onthe openstack mailing list | 19:23 |
| portante | yes | 19:23 |
| clayg | :) | 19:23 |
| portante | is that bad or good? | 19:23 |
| notmyname | portante: the openstack-dev list | 19:23 |
| clayg | heh | 19:24 |
| portante | sorry, yes, openstack-dev | 19:24 |
| notmyname | portante: google hangouts are fine. maybe I can figure out how to use the openstack swift page I have there to officialize it or something | 19:24 |
| portante | okay, that would be great | 19:24 |
| clayg | since david's not here I'll thorw out reviews for account-acl -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32808/ | 19:24 |
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| portante | I'll do more work in the mean time on documentation and take in early review feedbavck | 19:25 |
| clayg | I think it's a great feature, david's worked really hard and my eyes are getting squnity | 19:25 |
| notmyname | #help requested on account-acl reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32808/ | 19:25 |
| notmyname | anything else to cover for now (5 minutes left) | 19:25 |
| portante | I am available for questions any time | 19:26 |
| portante | I would say that one of the other refactorings that we need to do | 19:26 |
| portante | is to address redundant operations on the marshall and unmarshall paths | 19:26 |
| portante | for the servers, we access dictionaries repeatedly for the same value many many times over | 19:27 |
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| portante | that kind of work will like to making it easier to see where a DiskFile or DatabaseBroker interface layer can be clearly defined | 19:27 |
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| portante | much of the lead up work to the current refactoring has been analyzing that layer to make sure it does not spill over into the lower layers | 19:28 |
| portante | or vice-versa | 19:28 |
| portante | Also, Pete Z is starting to work on the DatabaseBroker refactoring | 19:29 |
| portante | will be joining him on that after DiskFile winds down | 19:29 |
| clayg | yay! | 19:29 |
| portante | nothing else from here | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | cool | 19:30 |
| notmyname | and I gotta run from this side. | 19:30 |
| notmyname | portante: zaitcev: thanks for you time and effort | 19:30 |
| portante | welcome | 19:30 |
| zaitcev | np | 19:30 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for your time today | 19:30 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 19:30:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| portante | cya | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-07-10-19.04.html | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-07-10-19.04.txt | 19:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-07-10-19.04.log.html | 19:30 |
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| chmouel | crap i have came to late :( | 19:31 |
| clayg | chmouel: too late! | 19:32 |
| clayg | muwhahahah | 19:32 |
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| chmouel | going back to get the kid to sleep then :) | 19:33 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 20:00:38 2013 UTC. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| randallburt | hi | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | hi | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | shardy, jpeeler on pto | 20:01 |
| timductive | Hi | 20:01 |
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| therve | Hi! | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | Hi | 20:01 |
| bgorski | Hi | 20:01 |
| sdake | o/ | 20:01 |
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| andrew_plunk | hey! | 20:02 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic review last weeks actions | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | shardy to organize docs sprint during h3 | 20:02 |
| fsargent | Hi! | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | he not here | 20:02 |
| kebray | hello | 20:02 |
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| jasond | o/ | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | kebray to put on RS backlog testing of RS Database Resource against generic Trove, and consider rename/refactoring of provider to use Trove for naming. | 20:02 |
| m4dcoder | o/ | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:03 |
| kebray | stevebaker Work has begun on that backlog item. | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | cool | 20:03 |
| kebray | So, WIP. | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | ...and finally, SpamapS to reply to m4dcoder's ML question | 20:03 |
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| SpamapS | done | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | sweet | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic h2 bug/blueprint defer or deploy decisions | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-2 | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-2 | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | we have 4 blueprints in-flight | 20:05 |
| m4dcoder | yes, thank you SpamapS for replying. but the as-update-policy spec points to the AWS description. so not sure what the spec for heat should be. | 20:06 |
| therve | 1 week to go | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | EOD Tuesday is when milestone-proposed will be branched | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: we can discuss later in the meeting :) | 20:06 |
| therve | Looks tight for 2 of them | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS blueprint native-in-instance-tools is odd, by some definitions it is done? | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | by others it is not associated with the heat release at all | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: 66%.. no cfn-signal replacement yet | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | ok, i'll defer | 20:08 |
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| kebray | randallburt mentioned in a huddle that he would probably have his BP code complete, but not sure that it will have had time to be reviewed by community and merge accepted by Tuesday. | 20:08 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: it isn't really tied ot the release anyway, and there's the issue of native API calls as well. :) | 20:08 |
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| randallburt | kebray: I got no worries. the bulk of the work has been done by asalkeld. | 20:08 |
| therve | The review queue filled up pretty quickly :/ | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: what I have still uses cfn | 20:08 |
| kebray | randallburt excellent! | 20:09 |
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| randallburt | I have one more review to submit and that should be done today/first thing tomorrow. | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | if you think it has a chance getting in, then leave it in h-2 for now | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | sdake: how about gzip-userdata? | 20:09 |
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| sdake_ | ppl complaining about feature | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | gold plating test case atm ;) | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | it's on review | 20:11 |
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| sdake_ | some folks think there is no value in compressing userdata | 20:12 |
| * randallburt looks about innocently | 20:12 | |
| stevebaker | ok, can we all keep on top of reviews related to any bug, and those blueprints? | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | from a technical perspective, the test cases are a bit painful because part_handler.py is not a class so that needs to be sorted out | 20:12 |
| zaneb | sounds like a good feature to me, why wouldn't you want to compress it? | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | "why would you?" | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34476/ | 20:13 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb I think there is some confusion that that blueprint leads to a different blueprint of loading the instance tools into the metadata | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | even though they are orthogonal imo | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | we compress, we can handle more complex blobs | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | The answers to "why would you?" are valid.. though I'm still dubious at the approach.. userdata is "provide enough to get the instance working" not "upload tools" | 20:14 |
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| sdake_ | that is a separate blueprint spamaps | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | not part of this blueprint | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | sdake_ maybe remove that from the commit message | 20:15 |
| randallburt | I admit to that assumption as well. I don't have issue on the face of it, its just low-return val imo based on how much compression we get vs. real-world injection limits | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | when it is submitted for review folks can complain on that review :) | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | Right but the extra complexity of compression demands a reason. | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld yes i already have in my local repo ;) | 20:15 |
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| sdake_ | the reason is simple - we can handle 10x as much metadata with compression as without | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | seems useful | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: with a really big door on my house, I can handle 10x more elephants than I can right now.. but.. what are the elephants for? | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | are they pink? :) | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | lol | 20:17 |
| randallburt | lol | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | atm some of our larger templates are coming close to bumping against the userdata limits | 20:17 |
| zaneb | I can easily imagine wanting to pass e.g. a whole puppet manifest | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | My point is, if it simplifies something, +2. If it complicates in support of something else that is also complicating.. -1. | 20:17 |
| zaneb | and 16k is a really small limit | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | shall we move this discussion to the review? | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: why would template size increase userdata size? | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | agree | 20:17 |
| zaneb | yah, sorry, my bad for dragging this off topic ;) | 20:18 |
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| SpamapS | How is it off topic? | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | h2 blueprints is the topic.. :p | 20:18 |
| zaneb | "h2 bug/blueprint defer or deploy decisions" | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | and we gather here to have more bandwidth to discuss issues.. :) | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | well we could just bump to h3 | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | and think about it a bit more | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | we have the code | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | it's ready to go | 20:19 |
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| sdake_ | its blocking native nova instance | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | not really | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | i dont want to think about it more | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | wha? | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | is it? | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | blocking native nova? | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | thenative nova blueprint | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | its all tied up in the same code base | 20:20 |
| * SpamapS steps back | 20:20 | |
| SpamapS | clearly there is more going on here than I have context for. Lets indeed take this up outside the meeting. :) | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | sounds good :) | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | #topic h3 blueprint milestone and priority | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | 26 blueprints! holymoly! | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | well the ceilometer one is nearly done | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | so there has been a change in how blueprints are scheduled and prioritised | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I think the "abstract away aws" one can drop off H3. I know I am not going to get to that. | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | From now on we can ignore the Series goal, a script handles that | 20:22 |
| sdake_ | SpamapS I think I may pick that one up | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: sweet! | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | The author/assignee should choose a Milestone target that they think can be achieved | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | so y'all and all-y'all should do that for your assigned blueprints | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, moved to texas? | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Also https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1160052 is, IMO, a lot higher priority than "Low" .. as without it any stack creation or update that has any hiccups becomes a dead stack. :-/ | 20:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1160052 in heat "Need a way to retry creation" [Low,Triaged] | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | I do intend to work on it and get something ready for H3 | 20:24 |
| zaneb | y'all *and* all-y'all? | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | and finally, heat-core need to decide how much they want each blueprint by setting the priority | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: and youse | 20:24 |
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| sdake_ | we have some unowned blueprints | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: I guess any core member can set any priority they think appropriate | 20:26 |
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| kebray | SpamapS: Abstract away AWS namespaces out of heat is important to me… quite possible I might be able to put someone on that for H3. | 20:26 |
| therve | I can take the instance resize one | 20:27 |
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| sdake_ | kebray i've assingned it to myself so point them at me - can work together on that | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | actually when broken down by assignee, we could get a decent amount of those done | 20:27 |
| kebray | sdake_ no worries.. and, if you crank it out, all the better ;-) | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | kebray: sweet | 20:28 |
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| randallburt | wasn't shardy already working on snapshotting? | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | yip | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | (mostly done by the looks of it) | 20:28 |
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| randallburt | thought so, that was another unassigned one | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | we don't have documentation as a bp | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | I guess we will just have to squeeze that in | 20:30 |
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| stevebaker | #action asalkeld, stevebaker to raise some documentation blueprints | 20:30 |
| randallburt | kebray, asalkeld: we also want to pitch in with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multiple-engines if you need/want it. | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: how is open-api-dsl doing? | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | ok cool | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | oh yes multiple-engines is Critical | 20:31 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: my nefarious plan is to declare victory with the progress we make by h3. | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | really? | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | anything else h-3 before we move to open discussion? | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: you fiend | 20:32 |
| randallburt | IMO, we've lain the groundwork and are at a good place for progress. I'd like to move forward by taking a page from zaneb's book and propose very specific changes moving forward | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | randallburt would like to see an autoscaling example out of that work | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | it is missing from the example review | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | imo seems critical to see how that fits in | 20:33 |
| randallburt | sdake_: roger that. though IMO, its a resource like any other. | 20:33 |
| zaneb | I should write a book | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | writing a book is overrated | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 20:33 |
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| SpamapS | m4dcoder: you wanted to talk about UpdatePolicy ? | 20:34 |
| m4dcoder | yes | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | so I've got some local tempest tests which will have to pass before h-2 can go out the door, including an autoscaling one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36367/ | 20:34 |
| m4dcoder | what's as-update-policy h3 priority for folks here? | 20:34 |
| m4dcoder | specs and ML reply is not clear what i should implement for it | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: I don't really care about AWS compatibility. I do intend to implement rolling updates, though slightly different than AWS's and slightly different than the spec I originally wrote. | 20:35 |
| m4dcoder | if you can clarify that, i can help with the implementation. | 20:36 |
| kebray | Open discussion topic: Heat mission statement. The wiki seems outdated, and it seems we need one for the TC. | 20:36 |
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| SpamapS | I'd like to be able to have stack updates move forward using a waitcondition as feedback for whether to wait/go forward/rollback. | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | kebray: +1 | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: I will fix up the spec. | 20:36 |
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| kebray | TC request: http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-cloud-computing/2013-07/msg00051.html | 20:37 |
| m4dcoder | SpamapS: thanks! should we put focus on it for h3? if not, i can work on other higher priority bp/bugs. | 20:37 |
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| stevebaker | #action heat-core to write a mission statement | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: rolling-updates is targetted at h3 | 20:37 |
| zaneb | World Domination | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | kebray, we just need to clean the aws out | 20:38 |
| zaneb | done. | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | do all the things | 20:38 |
| mrodden | viagra for your private cloud | 20:38 |
| randallburt | talk about scope creep | 20:38 |
| mrodden | (heat makes it rise right...) | 20:38 |
| m4dcoder | SpamapS: got it. if you can just put some outlines around your thoughts, i can pitch in. | 20:39 |
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| SpamapS | m4dcoder: yeah, there's a spec attached to that bp, but it is way out of date. | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, maybe you can take an action to send that email out | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | ok, I'll write a straw-mission to start | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | #action stevebaker to start mission discussion on list | 20:40 |
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| therve | I was wondering about the neutron renaming | 20:41 |
| therve | How are we going to handle that? | 20:41 |
| m4dcoder | SpamapS: you mean https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/RollingUpdates. should we collapse the as-update-policy bp with the rolling updates bp into one? | 20:41 |
| sdake | therve there is already a review up for it | 20:41 |
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| therve | Oh I missed it | 20:41 |
| sdake | i believe it is blocked on the client not being done yet | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: They are different things, but I think one should probably follow the other | 20:41 |
| kebray | asalkeld: I can explain Heat's capabilities, I can also explain the why use Heat vs. talk direct to the infrastructure. Once I get past all that, ppl get stuck on what capabilities will go in Heat vs. capabilities they need to build on top of Heat. That's where mission statement will really help bring some clarity me thinks. | 20:42 |
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| stevebaker | i think there is a desire that we do the neutron rename before h-2 | 20:42 |
| therve | Ah yeah it's not verified, I filtered it out | 20:42 |
| sdake | the patch looked correct - got my +2 - just depends on that update to the client | 20:43 |
| therve | The current patch seems to be seriously backward incompatible | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | isn't renaming a project backwards incompatible? | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | can we register the quantum plugins as both ::Quantum and ::Neutron for now? breaking all the templates seems bad | 20:44 |
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| asalkeld | +1 stevebaker | 20:44 |
| m4dcoder | SpamapS: i guess my original confusion was with the spec under the as-update-policy since i signed up for it. so i'll review the rolling-updates bp and figure what to do. | 20:44 |
| zaneb | +1 for backwards compatibility | 20:44 |
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| sdake | probably worth commenting on the review then if you feel we need backwards compat ;) | 20:45 |
| therve | stevebaker, Yeah that sounds like a good step | 20:45 |
| zaneb | just register them all twice with different names | 20:45 |
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| therve | sdake, This was mentioned | 20:45 |
| sdake | oh, haven't seen the review lately | 20:45 |
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| sdake | been on vac ation :)_ | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | hey, I need to go, shall we endmeeting? | 20:45 |
| bgorski | I have a question about Heat support for multi region. I am working on it and I will write a blueprint about it in near future. Anybody is working on or thinking about it also? | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: yeah, lets talk in a bit in #heat | 20:46 |
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| m4dcoder | SpamapS: ok | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, you can give us power then we can endmeeting | 20:46 |
| sdake | #chair | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | bgorski: I think the folks behind HOT have it as a long term goal to have Heat even be multi-cloud | 20:46 |
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| stevebaker | #chair asalkeld | 20:48 |
| openstack | Current chairs: asalkeld stevebaker | 20:48 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: I'd say that's a fair statement | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | sweet, later | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | later | 20:48 |
| therve | Having a multi region blueprint would be a good start | 20:49 |
| andrew_plunk | bye | 20:49 |
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| asalkeld | if anyone has any thoughts about this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/user-visible-logs feel free to comment | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | not very urgent | 20:49 |
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| asalkeld | just was having a think about it | 20:50 |
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| randallburt | asalkeld: a couple of folks on my team would def be interested in that | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:51 |
| timductive | I would be interested in that | 20:51 |
| kebray | asalkeld I care about that one too. doh, randallburt beat me. | 20:51 |
| randallburt | we've kicked it around for Horizon stuff too | 20:51 |
| kebray | Tim's the man! | 20:51 |
| timductive | :) | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | well it needs heap of discussion | 20:51 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: doesn't using Marconi preclude your goal of having the same logs available to different users in different languages? | 20:51 |
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| asalkeld | zane not really | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | as it is in a mechanical format | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | that could be localized | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | it is just a message | 20:52 |
| zaneb | true, but where would the translations come from? | 20:52 |
| randallburt | can Marconi localize at request time? | 20:52 |
| randallburt | wouldn't we have to send i18n data along with every log message? | 20:52 |
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| asalkeld | I think you would need something on top of merconi | 20:53 |
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| asalkeld | heat stack-tail-messages | 20:53 |
| zaneb | i-interesting | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | :) | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | yea nutty | 20:55 |
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| asalkeld | so yea, I should really post a discussion on the ml | 20:55 |
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| asalkeld | I don't see nova doing this | 20:55 |
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| asalkeld | but seems neat to see what is going on in your request | 20:56 |
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| therve | Debugging nova problems is not nice though | 20:56 |
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| asalkeld | and users don't seem to have access to rpc notifications | 20:57 |
| zaneb | I'm a big fan of the idea | 20:57 |
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| asalkeld | 3 mins | 20:57 |
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| asalkeld | anything else | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 20:58:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-07-10-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-07-10-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-07-10-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | thanks everyone | 20:58 |
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| therve | thanks! | 20:58 |
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| fifieldt | hi reed | 23:03 |
| reed | o/ | 23:03 |
| fifieldt | meeting? | 23:03 |
| reed | sure | 23:04 |
| * fifieldt probably has to leave in 30mins | 23:04 | |
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| reed | more than enough | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | that meeting that cancelled our community meeting last week got rescheduled :s | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | sorry about that | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | anyone else here for weekly commuity meeting? | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | evgeny is online on skype | 23:05 |
| fifieldt | I didn't see him online while you were in the air unfortunately | 23:05 |
| reed | I talked to him before, I can report | 23:05 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:05 |
| fifieldt | ok | 23:05 |
| fifieldt | should we log this? | 23:05 |
| reed | lets | 23:05 |
| reed | #startmeeting openstack-community | 23:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 10 23:06:16 2013 UTC. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community' | 23:06 |
| reed | #topic Ask in Chinese | 23:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask in Chinese (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:06 | |
| reed | I talked to Evgeny and basically he's done with the implementation of haystack support and the lucene/solr search engine | 23:07 |
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| reed | the UI translation in Chinese is 59% done | 23:07 |
| fifieldt | the HK group has been testing too: http://ask-staging.openstack.org/zh/questions/ | 23:07 |
| fifieldt | they talked about it on their ML | 23:07 |
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| fifieldt | there was no immediate "this is crap" response, so I assume it is good :) | 23:07 |
| reed | we've agreed that he's going to work on setting up the staging server with the askopenstack-theme | 23:08 |
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| reed | so we can complete come to agree on how to implement the language switch menu | 23:08 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:08 |
| reed | after that we'll set a roadmap and deadlines to go in production | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | yup | 23:09 |
| reed | I think that even if the GUI is not 100% translated we should still upgrade the server and get started | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | sure, yes | 23:09 |
| reed | that will motivate more translations and contributions | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | I presume it's easy to update the translations once it's live?> | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | i.e. no downtime required to do this? | 23:09 |
| reed | we'll need to provide documentation for how to translate | 23:09 |
| reed | fifieldt, good question, I'll ask him | 23:10 |
| fifieldt | I18N can discuss this at their meeting today | 23:10 |
| fifieldt | I'll add it to the agenda | 23:10 |
| reed | #action reed to ask Evgeny about the uprade of translations in askbot: do they need downtime? | 23:10 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to dicuss translation of ask at I18N meeting | 23:11 |
| reed | i'm still not sure this should be a task for openstack i18n | 23:11 |
| fifieldt | why not? | 23:11 |
| reed | I am not sure it's a priority for them | 23:12 |
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| fifieldt | all the more reason to discuss and find out :) | 23:12 |
| reed | while they have the expertise, they have other priorities I believe | 23:12 |
| fifieldt | I18N is the group to discuss priorities for translation | 23:12 |
| reed | ok, as long as they know we can ask other groups to help out | 23:12 |
| reed | i guess you're right, we can grow that group | 23:13 |
| reed | anything else for Ask in Chinese? | 23:13 |
| fifieldt | not from me | 23:13 |
| reed | #topic Ask OpenStack | 23:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask OpenStack (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:14 | |
| reed | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/AskModerators | 23:15 |
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| reed | I wrote that guide to help moderators | 23:15 |
| reed | it probably should go somewhere on the ask site | 23:15 |
| fifieldt | you want to make that linked from ask somewhere, I guess? | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | linked from FAQ? | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | or content in FAQ/another page? | 23:16 |
| reed | I think the easiest fix is to add the link in the footer | 23:16 |
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| reed | I don't know if/how to create pages on Ask | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | my feeling is it isn't easy | 23:16 |
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| reed | #action reed to find a way to add a link to wiki AskModerators from Ask.openstack.org | 23:17 |
| reed | for the existing bugs, I've asked Evgeny to look into them and give comments. He's promised to do it tomorrow | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | fingers crossed | 23:18 |
| reed | yeah | 23:18 |
| reed | other topics? | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | um - satellite events pre/post summit | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | I guess I just need to email the community ML as you said :) | 23:18 |
| reed | #topic satellite events pre/post HK summit | 23:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "satellite events pre/post HK summit (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:18 | |
| fifieldt | so the idea is to get some events happening pre/post summit | 23:19 |
| fifieldt | around asia, since we have awesome people in the area | 23:19 |
| reed | the idea is to use the presence of many people in the APEC area for the summit and have events in the area before or after the summit | 23:19 |
| reed | doh | 23:19 |
| fifieldt | got it | 23:19 |
| fifieldt | ya | 23:19 |
| reed | you typed faster :) | 23:19 |
| fifieldt | but less eloquently | 23:20 |
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| sarob | he dropped | 23:20 |
| fifieldt | the idea is that, if the local UGs (or in the absence of a UG, perhaps we can arrange something) organise a meet we should work to try and facilitate people getting there | 23:20 |
| fifieldt | sarob, that's my cell phone - which I'll have to switch to in ~10mins | 23:21 |
| sarob | right sorry :) | 23:21 |
| reed | we need to act fast, get APEC groups to organise something | 23:21 |
| fifieldt | yes, you are totally right | 23:21 |
| fifieldt | fast action is needed | 23:21 |
| reed | people will need to finalize their tickets like... yesterday | 23:21 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 23:21 |
| reed | like me :) | 23:21 |
| sarob | are we going to have overlapping events? | 23:21 |
| fifieldt | mmm, I need to do that too | 23:21 |
| fifieldt | I think that's another discussion sarob :) | 23:21 |
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| fifieldt | related to the remote participation emails on the ML | 23:22 |
| fifieldt | these events are pre or post | 23:22 |
| reed | sarob, no, the idea is that, for example, since Jonathan will be in HK maybe after the summit he can fly to Shanghai and talk there on his way back | 23:22 |
| sarob | ahh, right | 23:22 |
| reed | maybe sarob can stop in Tokio on his way back :) | 23:22 |
| fifieldt | reed, my feeling is it might be easier to suggest people do return flights from HKG to the asian destination | 23:22 |
| fifieldt | rather than trying to change the long haul flight | 23:23 |
| fifieldt | it separates the trip purpose and might end up cheaper | 23:23 |
| reed | fifieldt, I have tricked air fares in the past ... | 23:23 |
| fifieldt | 'course | 23:23 |
| reed | an open jaw ticket is very expensive but changing the origin of the return flight is cheap | 23:24 |
| fifieldt | however, what happens if Company X is paying for Employee to get to the summit, but Foundation is paying to get to this related event ? :) | 23:24 |
| reed | so you buy SFO - HK - SFO then after you do the first SFO - HK you change and do Shanghai to SFO for maybe $200 | 23:24 |
| fifieldt | it becomes challenging to separate that | 23:25 |
| reed | fifieldt, indeed... are you sure you want to get in the middle of that though? | 23:25 |
| fifieldt | I'm not sure. I worry that high quality people will struggle with their companies to get to such events ... | 23:26 |
| reed | managing that sort of logistics is a huge effort | 23:26 |
| fifieldt | so, we get the local UGs to manage it | 23:27 |
| fifieldt | for the speakers coming to their dest | 23:27 |
| reed | that's what I would suggest to do... | 23:27 |
| sarob | thats how we do it now | 23:27 |
| fifieldt | yup, though keep in mind this doesn't work for: Malaysia, Phillipines, and a couple of others :) | 23:28 |
| sarob | getting the word out as well | 23:28 |
| reed | unless you think we have the manpower to manage local events, too... while we setup the summit | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | that was never the plan reed :) | 23:28 |
| sarob | marketing would love to take that on ;) | 23:28 |
| fifieldt | I need to go - will be in the elevator for the next few minutes | 23:29 |
| reed | i'd say lets shoot the email to the list and see what response we get | 23:29 |
| fifieldt | action me :D | 23:29 |
| reed | #action fifieldt to send an email to the community list to gauge the interest in the APEC communities to host pre/post summit events | 23:30 |
| sarob | me wants to speak on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+spec/how-to-participate | 23:30 |
| reed | #topic How to Participate in the Foundation workflow | 23:31 |
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| reed | floor is yours | 23:31 |
| sarob | so we talked about your focus on getting | 23:31 |
| sarob | the user group org tools | 23:31 |
| sarob | centralized and some goodness of automation going | 23:32 |
| sarob | this is about the next step of creating a new user / new corporation | 23:32 |
| sarob | tool that would be an improved im new what do i do | 23:33 |
| reed | yep, I'm discussing the contract with the developers of the portal, hopefully will be able to report next week | 23:33 |
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| fifieldt3 | hi | 23:33 |
| sarob | do you think we could make this phase 2 or 3 | 23:33 |
| reed | sarob, phase 2 of the user group portal? | 23:34 |
| fifieldt3 | latency on 4g is worse than 3g :) | 23:34 |
| sarob | i thinking it would feed new user into the user group portal | 23:34 |
| sarob | as new user hits the site | 23:34 |
| sarob | he uses this tool | 23:34 |
| reed | sarob, if I understand correctly the blueprint is about a navigation path from openstack.org to having a role in the community | 23:35 |
| sarob | right | 23:35 |
| reed | be it a developer or a corporation as a sponsor or a user... etc | 23:35 |
| sarob | from a series of questions, like a list of checkoffs | 23:35 |
| sarob | they would be saved in their profile | 23:35 |
| reed | we've set up time as staff to redo the openstack.org/start page with something like that | 23:35 |
| sarob | cool | 23:36 |
| fifieldt3 | yeah, fun | 23:36 |
| reed | well... not as sophisticated though :) | 23:36 |
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| sarob | baby steps | 23:36 |
| reed | we're starting to think of the community as a funnel | 23:36 |
| sarob | my thinking exactly | 23:36 |
| reed | or better, we always thought about that but we're building tools and measurement points now | 23:37 |
| sarob | why i want to train peoples that show up to the user group meetings | 23:37 |
| fifieldt3 | ABE :) | 23:37 |
| reed | fifieldt3, you missed C and D :) | 23:38 |
| sarob | i still have the participation table on my plate | 23:38 |
| fifieldt3 | reed: Always Be Educating :) | 23:38 |
| * reed ignorant | 23:38 | |
| reed | too many TLA | 23:38 |
| * sarob thinking deeply | 23:38 | |
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| sarob | okay im good | 23:39 |
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| reed | sarob, the blueprint also fits well with the idea of mentors that I and Anne talked about | 23:39 |
| sarob | which one? | 23:39 |
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| reed | to have mentors for new comers in the community | 23:39 |
| reed | for all kind of roles | 23:39 |
| sarob | ahh, right | 23:39 |
| sarob | that would be a cool name for the tool | 23:40 |
| sarob | openstack mentor | 23:40 |
| sarob | handholding you to knowledge | 23:40 |
| * sarob got dizzy and fell down | 23:40 | |
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| reed | it's a huge task... | 23:40 |
| sarob | that why they pay you the big bucks :) | 23:41 |
| reed | nati_ueno, you there? | 23:41 |
| fifieldt3 | yeah, I've mentored a few ppl to ATC ... it takes work ... challenging to scale | 23:41 |
| reed | sarob, I was not complaining, meant to say that it needs proper allocation of time/resources | 23:41 |
| nati_ueno | reed: what's up? | 23:41 |
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| fifieldt3 | Problem based learning worked well for that | 23:41 |
| reed | nati_ueno, can you make me an admin of the trystack facebook group please? | 23:42 |
| sarob | understood | 23:42 |
| fifieldt3 | oh, can I get one too? :) | 23:42 |
| fifieldt3 | sarob: coding dojo style | 23:42 |
| nati_ueno | reed: may I ask your name? and purpose? | 23:42 |
| reed | nati_ueno, Stefano Maffulli | 23:42 |
| nati_ueno | reed: ah, you are stef! | 23:43 |
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| nati_ueno | reed: could you send me your facebook page? | 23:43 |
| reed | nati_ueno, I am :) I and Tom are going to publish a survey there | 23:43 |
| fifieldt3 | hi nati | 23:43 |
| nati_ueno | fifieldt3: <-- Tom? | 23:43 |
| fifieldt3 | ya | 23:43 |
| nati_ueno | kk | 23:43 |
| reed | nati_ueno, https://www.facebook.com/smaffulli | 23:43 |
| nati_ueno | ok | 23:44 |
| fifieldt3 | reed - give nati a link to survey for feedback? | 23:44 |
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| * reed looking for link | 23:45 | |
| fifieldt3 | silly gdoc | 23:45 |
| nati_ueno | fifieldt3: could you share your facebook account? | 23:45 |
| reed | nati_ueno, https://docs.google.com/a/openstack.org/forms/d/1e04M_WzH0iu9sD8ZSRRD9DW0gY7wfbYheQZdkVdIOtI/viewform | 23:45 |
| fifieldt3 | nati i am on your friend list iirc | 23:46 |
| fifieldt3 | i am on cell phone right now | 23:46 |
| fifieldt3 | so can't link eadily | 23:46 |
| fifieldt3 | my ketai isn't so advamced | 23:46 |
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| nati_ueno | reed: fifieldt3: you are now also trystack admins! | 23:47 |
| reed | I can make Tom an admin | 23:47 |
| reed | sweet, thanks nati_ueno | 23:47 |
| nati_ueno | welcome trystack admins! | 23:47 |
| fifieldt3 | thanks nati! | 23:47 |
| reed | nati_ueno, let us know what you think of the questions on the survey | 23:47 |
| reed | I don't add friends though, so don't take it personally :) | 23:48 |
| nati_ueno | reed: could you give me permission | 23:48 |
| reed | try again | 23:48 |
| sarob | isnt there an irc script for facebook? | 23:49 |
| * sarob so complicated | 23:49 | |
| fifieldt3 | mmmm? | 23:49 |
| nati_ueno | reed: you may use ask question function in the facebook group | 23:50 |
| fifieldt3 | too basic imo | 23:50 |
| nati_ueno | kk | 23:50 |
| reed | nati_ueno, I'm not a big facebook user, I have no idea what that does... | 23:51 |
| reed | i'm trying to understand if there is any way to get reports from users, who they are, where they live... some stats on the group | 23:51 |
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| nati_ueno | reed: there is button 'ask questions' on the comment box, | 23:52 |
| reed | i gotta go too | 23:52 |
| nati_ueno | kk TL guys! | 23:52 |
| reed | nati_ueno, I'll look into the help and see if it helps using it | 23:52 |
| sarob | cheers | 23:52 |
| reed | especially if there is any reporting capability | 23:53 |
| reed | let's close the meeting | 23:53 |
| nati_ueno | Good day | 23:53 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 23:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 23:53:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-10-23.06.html | 23:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-10-23.06.txt | 23:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-10-23.06.log.html | 23:53 |
| reed | thanks all | 23:54 |
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