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| jgriffith | anybody here for Cinder? | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am here for XenAPI | 15:01 |
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| jgriffith | Ruh roh | 15:01 |
| jgriffith | johnthetubaguy: aren't you early? | 15:01 |
| BobBall | I'm here for XenAPI too | 15:01 |
| guitarzan | cinder's in an hour right? | 15:01 |
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| jgriffith | Ooops! very sorry, | 15:01 |
| jgriffith | stupid DST | 15:01 |
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| guitarzan | dst or something | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, no worries | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 15:02:14 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| BobBall | yeah! pffft! Wait your turn! :D | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello people | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is here for XenAPI? | 15:02 |
| BobBall | o/~ | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Mate should be here too | 15:03 |
| BobBall | but he's not yet | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | and I'm working from home - hence can't shout at him over the wall | 15:03 |
| matelakat | hi | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, hello | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:03 |
| matelakat | He was shouting so loud, so I was able to hear it. | 15:03 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:04 |
| * johnthetubaguy starts to write paper about proof of wormholes in cambridge | 15:04 | |
| BobBall | I've got dozens of them in my garden... don't think we need a paper... | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Actions from last week | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat did you document the bug finder? | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | don't think there are any other actions | 15:06 |
| matelakat | I haven't documented the bugfinder. | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | ok | 15:06 |
| BobBall | btw, while we wait for matelakat (ding) to answer... | 15:06 |
| BobBall | oh | 15:06 |
| BobBall | there you go, he answered :D | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | I'll wait my turn then | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action matelakat to document bug finder in XenAPI team wiki | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ok BobBall? | 15:07 |
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| matelakat | Sorry guys, I am chatting with dan on smoke, which is quite important. | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | well it's not an action | 15:08 |
| BobBall | so I can wait my turn in the agenda | 15:08 |
| BobBall | shall we talk about QA then? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | (was that next in line?) | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we can, nothing else on the list | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone got any blueprint updates? | 15:08 |
| matelakat | no | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action Bugs and QA | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its bug day again, the bi weekly nova bug day anyways | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | did some triage of the xenserver bugs again | 15:09 |
| BobBall | So in terms of QA, as Mate says, we're currently working with Dan to figure out what needs to change in the XenServer scripts to get smokestack working again | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | working on the agent setting thing | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | quick update? | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Mate could say more if you were interested, but I think the important thing is that Mate has promised not to sleep until it's back and working | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info openstack xenapi driver uses PV tools to set the host name when using the agent, but XS 6.1 seems to have pulled this feature | 15:10 |
| matelakat | Updates next week. | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am interested what the plan is, and if I can help really | 15:10 |
| matelakat | I just started to work on this. | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:10 |
| BobBall | Minor clarficiation on that John... | 15:10 |
| matelakat | I will let you know, if I need help. | 15:10 |
| BobBall | XS 6.1 _with the new tools_ does not support this | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info matelakat working to get smokestack back up and running | 15:11 |
| BobBall | the feature wasn't an official feature (bad excuse I know) but more importantly it didn't work in windows 2012 in some scenarios | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hurd you can't attach block volumes to a running VM if you use the old tools on XS 6.1 though | 15:11 |
| BobBall | as such, it didn't make sense to port that feature over to the new-style drivers (which were a complete re-write anyway) | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | if we need a way to set the hostname then we should look at a PR to get it into the guest tools rather than the PV drivers | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is my plan now | 15:12 |
| BobBall | that would require a reboot (which we don't in the old-way of doing it) but would be using the MS supported methods and wouldn't break in the ways that we've seen it break | 15:12 |
| BobBall | I meant if we want XS to do it then the guest tools is the place it should be. An OS solution that doesn't use the XS guest tools is of course fine too | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need reboots for other things anyway, so would be good to add that in there | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cloudbase-init does set the hostname for you too | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but that works regardless I think | 15:13 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so... | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anything more to raise? | 15:15 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:15 |
| BobBall | damnit | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I've forgotten what it was now though | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 15:16 |
| BobBall | oh yes | 15:16 |
| BobBall | I thought it'd be worthwhile having a chat with Mate about the changes he's made for the Quantum integration | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Maru was surprised that a revised approach was needed | 15:16 |
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| matelakat | So | 15:17 |
| matelakat | I think the DHCP change is not needed. | 15:17 |
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| matelakat | Having one agent controlling both domU and dom0 bridges does not sound good. | 15:17 |
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| matelakat | So I have a devstack change, that will eliminate this issue, and start two separate agents, one for domU, one for dom0 | 15:18 |
| matelakat | And create a "physnet" physical bridge. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so routing the traffic in the DomU? | 15:18 |
| matelakat | So that no code change is needed. | 15:18 |
| BobBall | both agents in the domu you mean? | 15:18 |
| matelakat | tunnelling with vlans. | 15:18 |
| matelakat | agents tun in domu, that's correct. | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yup, that makes sense I think | 15:19 |
| matelakat | I have a change for that. | 15:19 |
| matelakat | Wait a sec. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the general case, you probably don't want that running on a VM anyway, or at least not on a nova-compute node | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might mean what they do with mult-host support for DHCP will not work | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | ok | 15:20 |
| BobBall | so john - which wouldn't work multi-host? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | Maru's way or Mate's way? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info while openstack network support for XenAPI L2 is going well, but L3 patch may not be needed | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, Mate's way | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | but they haven't done multi-host yet | 15:21 |
| BobBall | Well a revised L2 patch is needed to remove the need for the L3 patch | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, interesting | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess that makes sense | 15:21 |
| BobBall | I think that's right matelakat ? | 15:21 |
| matelakat | I think only my setup will work with multi host. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | but that they implemented multi host yet? | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | have^ | 15:22 |
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| matelakat | That's not right, I am sorry, I think both should work - mine works for sure. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | do they have mult-host for DHCP now? | 15:23 |
| matelakat | In multi-host, I meant mapping your network to physical nets. | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, I mean running multiple DHCP | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | like in nova's multi-host | 15:23 |
| matelakat | I think, it is really hard to discuss these things via IRC. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a feeling they are dropping that stuff anyways | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly yes | 15:24 |
| matelakat | I know, my wife and my mother-in law are capable of discussing colors over the phone, but I am not that clever. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:24 |
| BobBall | colours need the woman gene... | 15:25 |
| BobBall | chromosone! | 15:25 |
| matelakat | For me, networking needs a whiteboars. | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | its bluey green with a hint of three week old dry grass | 15:25 |
| BobBall | It's been too long since I've been at school :D | 15:25 |
| * BobBall will not ask what a whiteboar is. | 15:25 | |
| matelakat | So, let's get back to this networking discussion. | 15:25 |
| BobBall | idd | 15:26 |
| * johnthetubaguy thinks of some form of white pudding made from wild boar | 15:26 | |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | what was the issue here? | 15:26 |
| matelakat | I would like to associate proper meaning to those "multi-host", and "nova-like" words. | 15:26 |
| BobBall | so - John - are you happy that Mate's approach is better than the currently proposed approach? | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think it is when you have one DHCP per host stuff is not great | 15:26 |
| matelakat | Are you visiting us this week John? | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | no plans, but I could, tomorrow | 15:26 |
| matelakat | Bob? | 15:27 |
| BobBall | I'm WFM in the morning | 15:27 |
| BobBall | but I'll be in in the arvo hopefully | 15:27 |
| matelakat | I am sorry for all these things, but it is pointless for me to discuss networking through IRC. | 15:27 |
| BobBall | having a kitchen delivered! | 15:27 |
| BobBall | that's fine :) | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds important | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so maybe we are done for now, and we can answer questions people have next week | 15:28 |
| matelakat | Okay, so if you pop in to the office, you can have curry as well. | 15:28 |
| BobBall | I will probably be in post-curry | 15:28 |
| matelakat | Let me know your decision, John. | 15:28 |
| matelakat | Sync-up, and have some diagrams. | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, will try drop by in the afternoon, will check with sally later | 15:29 |
| BobBall | I'm thinking maybe we need diagrams sketched out online | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, curry too maybe | 15:29 |
| BobBall | We need to convince others on the patch review too | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have diagrams, its just slow and hard to point | 15:29 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can talk about the devstack refactoring as well I guess | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | agree and end point for the networking config | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | informally at least | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we all done now? | 15:30 |
| BobBall | think so | 15:31 |
| matelakat | aj | 15:31 |
| matelakat | stop | 15:31 |
| matelakat | Question | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 15:31:13 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-05-22-15.02.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-05-22-15.02.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-05-22-15.02.log.html | 15:31 |
| matelakat | Ah | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | question? | 15:31 |
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| matelakat | It's okay, tomorrow. | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | ok | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | Great - thanks guys :) | 15:31 |
| BobBall | brb | 15:31 |
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| jgriffith | cinder? | 16:00 |
| avishay | cinder. | 16:00 |
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| kmartin | CINDER | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 16:00:45 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | Note agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #topic H1 freeze date | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "H1 freeze date (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| jgriffith | So just FYI freeze for H1 is Next Tuesday | 16:01 |
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| rushiagrawal | Hi all | 16:02 |
| cian_ | Hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | hello rushiagrawal | 16:02 |
| jgallard | hi all | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:02 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: so the patch has to be merged by next Tuesday, right | 16:02 |
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| avishay | Hi | 16:02 |
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| winston-d | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: correct | 16:02 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: which leads me to my question for you :) | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: do you think you'll get through the legal team by then? | 16:03 |
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| hemna | morning | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: we can always defer to H2 | 16:03 |
| bswartz | good afternoon | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | not a big deal at all | 16:03 |
| dachary | hi | 16:03 |
| avishay | good evening | 16:03 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: I'm still waiting. Can I get back to you later today | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: sure, that's fine | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: around? | 16:03 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: yup! | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I think you're rate limiting BP is pretty close (at least for the Cinder side) and first portion | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: shoot..wrong bp | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | scheduler hints :) | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: should we change the owner on that? | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | For those wondering what I'm talking about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28945/ | 16:06 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: yes, please change to mirantis folk | 16:06 |
| dachary | thanks | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: I went through it again last night, I think they covered the concerns folks raised | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: I think it's ready to go but needs another good going over by me an at least one or two others | 16:07 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: there's something else needs fix. i'll post comments | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I suspected that might be the case :) | 16:07 |
| thingee | the concern I had with it that I haven't raised is whether it has to touch v2/volume.py if it's using the wsgi.extend decorator | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: interesting | 16:08 |
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| thingee | I haven't looked closely at how wsgi.extend works, but I wanted to play with the patch to see if it's necessary | 16:08 |
| thingee | if I drop the ball on this, I can always change it later. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I don't know how that would work, but if you want to look at that, that's great | 16:09 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: we've got time so that's fine by me | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | thingee: you might want to ask the Mirantis folks if they've already thought/looked at that | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | So most of the other things for H1 are on me :( | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | But.. if anybody has some cycles, there are a few bugs that aren't asigned or triaged | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Any volunteers? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | thingee: you can't volunteer! | 16:11 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: i'll take a look | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: thanks | 16:11 |
| * thingee needs to pull more all nighters | 16:11 | |
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| hemna | I'm kinda slammed at the moment | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: any update on 1139129? | 16:12 |
| thingee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0 | 16:12 |
| * medberry will look a the queue but likely isn't ready to actually triage yet | 16:12 | |
| bswartz | which 1139129? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | medberry: thanks Dave | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: your bug targetted for H1 | 16:12 |
| bswartz | no update sorry | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: med_ et'all https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | I'm most interested in the items that are targetted for H1 | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | The link above is items that we *said* we'd have done for H1 including bugs | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: any idea when you might have an update? | 16:13 |
| med_ | nod | 16:14 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: that one hasn't fallen off my radar, it just hasn't been a high enough priority | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I've already removed your unified driver, sounds like that hasn't gone anywhere either? | 16:14 |
| bswartz | I'll plan on H2 | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: K, I'll adjust | 16:14 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: the unified driver should be ready early in H2 | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: Ok, although it was originally slated for H1 | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: cool... updated | 16:15 |
| avishay | jgriffith: I'm hoping bug 1122898 will be addressed by hemna's patch for H2 ("Refactor Cinder's iSCSI/FC attach code") | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1122898 in cinder "Generic iSCSI copy volume<->image doesn't disconnect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1122898 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Ok, anything folks see on that list they want to comment on before I ask some more questions about a few :) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | avishay: ok, so you want to retarget that one as well? | 16:16 |
| lakhindr_ | Jgriffith: is this the time to discuss the milestones of havana-1? | 16:16 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yessir | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | avishay: ko! | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: yes but hold on a moment | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I wanted to ask about the local disk stuff :) | 16:17 |
| med_ | jgriffith, I'll take a look t 1161157 | 16:17 |
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| med_ | jgriffith, I'll take a look t 1161557 | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | med_: awesome possum | 16:17 |
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| hemna | avishay, subscribed to that one. we'll have to test it with the refactor | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | med_: if you *like* it, assign yourself pretty please :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/local-disk-storage-utils | 16:18 |
| avishay | hemna: yep, thanks :) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | so I threw that out there ^^ | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Meanwhile we have: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27051/ | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Here's my question.... | 16:18 |
| avishay | yea...wanted to ask about that... | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Do folks see or hear of an advantage regarding using raw disks over LVM? | 16:19 |
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| bswartz | I see disadvantages | 16:19 |
| eharney | seems unlikely, especially once you get to the snapshot features.. | 16:19 |
| avishay | jgriffith: apparently you - you wrote in the review "This is awesome and very much needed/requested as of late." :) | 16:19 |
| hemna | LVM provides more flexibility in the usage of the raw disk no? | 16:19 |
| avishay | jgriffith: but i don't have a use case for it personally | 16:19 |
| med_ | the hadoop argument (or similar) seems to be valid | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yes, and see my comments from last night... the point is I wanted to get input from others on this as well | 16:20 |
| winston-d | i agree with med_ , performance concern could be one | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | My testing doesn't show LVM taking that big of a hit on perf though which is why I wanted to bring this up | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | LVM gets a bad wrap from folks like DuncanT :) | 16:21 |
| bswartz | lol | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | But that being said.... | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Two folks pointing out a use case works for me | 16:21 |
| avishay | LVM can have bad performance when dealing with snapshots and such, but I can't imagine it being too noticeable if you're using it like a disk | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: not necessarily true either :) | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: thin provisioning baby!! | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Ok... that's all I needed | 16:22 |
| winston-d | maybe we can ask for some numbers from those folks | 16:22 |
| avishay | jgriffith: I said "can" :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | avishay: :) | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | So if I'll figure out timing of Ann's patch versus the brick work | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Her patch my be just an "introduction" so to speak :) | 16:23 |
| avishay | so what are the use cases? i missed it? hadoop? | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: mostly just a perf thing | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | avishay: TBH what started it was the bare metal stuff | 16:23 |
| med_ | jgriffith, my hadoop "expert" would really expect some optimizations in hadoop to do the wrong thing if on LVM.... | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: there's a real need for disk management fro Ironic and company | 16:24 |
| avishay | jgriffith: gotcha | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | kk | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | so we covered H1 and status in one shot :) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | Moving along to lakhindr_ | 16:25 |
| lakhindr_ | I am here :-) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | #topic Test code and example dirver files | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | lakhindr_: I gave this it's own topic :) | 16:25 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: can we discuss the share service briefly? | 16:25 |
| hemna | :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: sure there's time at the end | 16:25 |
| bswartz | okay | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: or right after this, I'll bump it up on the list :) | 16:25 |
| bswartz | ty | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yw | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. so: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28791/ | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | For those of you that haven't been following | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | There's a debate here and I think lakhindr_ would like to get some input | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | So I'm going to give him 5 minutes to make his case :) | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Starting... *NOW* | 16:26 |
| hemna | time's up! | 16:27 |
| lakhindr_ | (Thanks Jgriffith: Folks, I have a proposal, which I wanted to mail, but then thought let me first try http://paste.openstack.org/show/37593/) | 16:27 |
| lakhindr_ | hemna: thanks :-) | 16:27 |
| hemna | :) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | LULZ | 16:27 |
| lakhindr_ | I am here to briefly discuss what I have in mind. I can email it too. But basically I find merit in simulating our back-end compared to say mocking everything. | 16:28 |
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| lakhindr_ | It has simplicity and power. And with that in mind, if you look at my code you can see how self tests are run. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: I think folks get the point | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: and I don't think simulating/mocking the backend is the debate | 16:28 |
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| lakhindr_ | Oh since you gave me 5 minutes, I thought I have to seak up :-) | 16:28 |
| hemna | lakhindr_, the 3PAR unit tests "simulate" the back end (array) as well via a reimplemented client class | 16:28 |
| lakhindr_ | I was coming to that :-) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: ok, sorry go ahead but I didn't want you to waste your 5 minutes :) | 16:29 |
| avishay | the storwize/svc tests work against a simulator as well as real storage | 16:29 |
| lakhindr_ | Ah, so I have run afoul of some rules, e.g. where should a sample configuration file go. Some suggestion is, well don;t use it! But I prefer to. | 16:29 |
| hemna | I think that's the crux of the -1's on the review | 16:30 |
| lakhindr_ | And the question of where it should go is I think easily resolved when a vendor subdirectory contains all the stuff in one place. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: I thought it was resolved when we create block-storage-admin guide with driver config sections? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | s/create/created/ | 16:31 |
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| thingee | lakhindr_: here's the issue I have with this. I want unit tests. I won't argue there is some gain in functional, but our tests are already slow with the mixture there is. I'd argue that your focus on your driver tests should be on the implementation, not if something can open a config. | 16:31 |
| lakhindr_ | Jgriffith. I am not saying anything about the admin guide. We shall of course abide by that. | 16:31 |
| lakhindr_ | My focus is on unit tests, thingee! And we are following all the requirements, indeed. | 16:32 |
| lakhindr_ | And of course focus is on the driver actually! Config is part of it! | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | sighhh... I fear there's no compromise here | 16:32 |
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| avishay | What's up with the separate config file trend instead of cinder.conf? | 16:33 |
| lakhindr_ | avishay: that is too simple. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: I suspect what's going to happen: Folks will keep -1 your patch until you at least attempt to address the points they've made | 16:33 |
| avishay | lakhindr_: what is too simple? | 16:33 |
| hemna | the confusion I believe is that other driver's also have their sample configs in place....which set a bad precedent. | 16:34 |
| lakhindr_ | avishay: as array configuration becomes more sophisticated they run beyond the scope of simple one liner config parameters | 16:34 |
| thingee | lakhindr_: can you tell me the problem with the current things provided to the drivers that are in cinder? | 16:34 |
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| hemna | lakhindr_, that's what documentation is for IMHO | 16:34 |
| avishay | hemna: i know, that's why i'm asking why people started with this craziness :) | 16:34 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:34 |
| hemna | not sample config files | 16:34 |
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| lakhindr_ | thingee: I don't talk of the problems in other drivers, sorry. | 16:34 |
| lakhindr_ | hemna: documentation is for what? sorry did not follow? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I have NO problem with people using external config files | 16:35 |
| lakhindr_ | s/?$/.$/ | 16:35 |
| hemna | lakhindr_, to describe the more complex configurations of the drivers. | 16:35 |
| lakhindr_ | hemna: there is already a precedent. Many vendors already use it here! | 16:36 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i didn't say i had a problem with it, just asking why not use cinder.conf | 16:36 |
| thingee | lakhindr_: and some have spoke about being ok with removing them since we have proper docs now | 16:36 |
| xyang_ | there's one benefit of this external config file, you don't have to restart cinder-volume. With cinder.conf, you need to | 16:36 |
| hemna | the more complex the configurations are for a driver(s), the better the documentation needs to be. We don't need sample config files in the source code to help admins. | 16:36 |
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| lakhindr_ | folks this is not about documentation. I agree we can document everything the way it is required. But I want to run tests off a real configuration file. | 16:37 |
| thingee | lakhindr_, hemna: and that's why I'm mentioning this. This is not cinder's concern. This is a vendors concern in making sure this conveyed in the proper channels. | 16:37 |
| hemna | xyang_, I don't think that's the issue here. using external configs for a driver is ok...the real issue is, do we allow/want sample config files in cinder source | 16:37 |
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| lakhindr_ | hemna: I say yes. Because we want to test off a sample config. | 16:38 |
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| hemna | that config should be in the unit test code itself, not in the driver's source tree. | 16:38 |
| xyang_ | hemna: that's ok. I'm ok to remove it. I added it there based on some review comments a while back | 16:38 |
| thingee | lakhindr_: I've noticed windows storage for example has stuff for their particular tests in cinder.tests.windows | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 for you too :) | 16:38 |
| thingee | I'm asking hds do the same. Along with moving any simulation code out of the implementation into the test files like the other drivers. | 16:38 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:39 |
| lakhindr_ | Hemna: would you like me to pollute cinder/cinder/tests with a config file? | 16:39 |
| thingee | lakhindr_: better than polluting the implementation | 16:39 |
| hemna | lakhindr_, pollute the test_hds.py :) | 16:39 |
| winston-d | hemna: +1 | 16:39 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:39 |
| lakhindr_ | hemna: we have a basic disagreement there. Because I feel value in reading a real config file :-) | 16:39 |
| hemna | I don't disagree with reading a "real config file" | 16:40 |
| hemna | just put that "config file" as a string in test_hds.py | 16:40 |
| lakhindr_ | Folks, if this is a big thing, I shall go your way. Just look at my paste bin, and give your comments when we have time. I can post it to some mailing list. | 16:40 |
| winston-d | lakhindr_: but you can cover that in tempest tests rather than in unit test | 16:40 |
| thingee | lakhindr_: that shouldn't be the focus of your test. Making sure a config file can open *everytime* in a test is not the focus. | 16:40 |
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| lakhindr_ | sorry I don't know the tempest test.. | 16:40 |
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| lakhindr_ | thingee: sorry I don't think I agree with what is the 'focus'. That is so subjective..! | 16:41 |
| winston-d | lakhindr_: that's integration test framework | 16:41 |
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| lakhindr_ | OK. So then allow me to test things fully! | 16:41 |
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| lakhindr_ | Why is the restriction in testing so tight, please, may I ask? We all have the same goal! | 16:42 |
| hemna | we aren't against testing. we just aren't for polluting the source tree with sample config files. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | Ok, we need to save some time for bswartz and I don't see this really being overly productive | 16:42 |
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| avishay | yes, this is going around in circles | 16:42 |
| hemna | you can accomplish everything you want by just putting that sample config file as a string in your unit test code. | 16:42 |
| avishay | hemna: thank you for being the voice of reason :) | 16:43 |
| kmartin | lakhindr_: I think the community(along with most of cinder core) and expressed the way they would like you to move forward. | 16:43 |
| lakhindr_ | OK. | 16:43 |
| lakhindr_ | Can I still do the simulation then? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: if you have 3 or 4 folks -1 your patch w/ a recommendation it may be best to at least attempt to cooperate and implement their suggestions | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: but I'll leave that up to you | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #topic shares-service | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: you're up | 16:43 |
| lakhindr_ | I will cooperate with you guys of course! | 16:43 |
| bswartz | thanks jgriffith | 16:43 |
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| bswartz | so we have resubmitted the shares service here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29821/ | 16:44 |
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| bswartz | for those of you that don't remember the discussion from G3, this is adding support for management of NAS storage to openstack | 16:44 |
| kmartin | on to the next easy topic :) | 16:44 |
| thingee | :) | 16:45 |
| avishay | kmartin: haha | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:45 |
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| hemna | s/openstack/cinder | 16:45 |
| hemna | :P | 16:45 |
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| bswartz | Everyone agrees that management of NAS storage shouldn't be in cinder long term, but in teh short term, creating a new service in cinder is the fastest way to get the community started, and to get the feature into customer's hands | 16:45 |
| bswartz | yes hemna | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: fast != correct | 16:46 |
| bswartz | the main things we've done between G3 and now have been to write up some good documentation, and add tests to tempest, and also bring the share service up to parity with many new volume features from grizzly | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and I'm concerned about maintenance/support more than anything else | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: I haven't seen the docs and tempest tests? | 16:47 |
| bswartz | NetApp is signing up to maintain and support the share service the community grows large enough | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: what about your current code? | 16:47 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: the temptest tests are are in a gerrit WIP submission -- they can't go in until the service goes in | 16:47 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: we also have devstack support coming, but that depends on the service going in as well | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: sure, but you can share that stuff w/folks ya know | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: again, why is all of this being done in a silo? | 16:48 |
| bswartz | what silo? we're posting everyting we do publicly | 16:48 |
| thingee | bswartz, jgriffith: this is true. Really it's going to slow down development on both shared and block in resources. especially if it's not long term (which I'm not going to argue about) | 16:48 |
| hemna | If we know that share service needs to live outside of cinder, and you've been working on this for how many releases now? Lets just make this it's own separate service now. | 16:49 |
| bswartz | anyways I've talked with many of you already, and I'm just asking that you review the code, and +1 it if you like it | 16:49 |
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| bswartz | hemna: work needs to be done on olso before we can effectively split the code -- right now we effectively share a lot of low level cinder stuff | 16:50 |
| hemna | bswartz, we have a vested interest here at HP of getting share service in openstack. But I still don't think it belongs in cinder. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: can you provide links to the devstack, tempest and docs you referred to? | 16:50 |
| eharney | i think this inside Cinder vs. outside Cinder probably needs some ML discussion outside of just Cinder folks | 16:50 |
| rushi_agr | I'll share links soon.. | 16:50 |
| avishay | to me having NAS in Cinder is almost as strange as Swift in Cinder | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1, my company as well | 16:50 |
| thingee | bswartz: from last time we spoke for g3, do we have any other vendors chiming in on the api? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | rushi_agr: thanks :) | 16:50 |
| eharney | i haven't heard much from other openstack folks on this | 16:51 |
| hemna | avishay, +1 | 16:51 |
| rushi_agr | Hopefully tomorrow | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | rushi_agr: oh... so it's not there yet? | 16:51 |
| bswartz | tempest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26598/ | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: cool.. thanks | 16:51 |
| thingee | avishay: I've been say just put share in swift! | 16:51 |
| hemna | lol | 16:51 |
| avishay | hahah | 16:51 |
| rushi_agr | Its there...wanted to check as its a month old | 16:51 |
| bswartz | rushiagr: do you have the wiki link? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:51 |
| avishay | thingee: "here - your problem now!" :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: rushi_agr so just an observation... | 16:52 |
| thingee | bswartz: but seriously any other vendors chime in on the api? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | You've got probably well over 10K lines of code associated with all of this | 16:52 |
| bswartz | eharney: are you online? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | How much harder would it really be to just create a project? | 16:52 |
| bswartz | yes we estimated about 10k of code | 16:52 |
| bswartz | 10k lines | 16:52 |
| eharney | yes | 16:52 |
| rushi_agr | There is a wiki..need to search for it | 16:53 |
| notmyname | maybe I missed a joke, but IRC beeps at me when swift is mentioned. is there something we should be doing on the swift side? | 16:53 |
| bswartz | I've talked to eharney about support for gluster in the share service | 16:53 |
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| guitarzan | notmyname: you missed a joke | 16:53 |
| avishay | notmyname: no, it's a joke | 16:53 |
| thingee | notmyname: run | 16:53 |
| bswartz | hopefully eharney will be able to find time to review | 16:53 |
| avishay | notmyname: you might end up with 10k lines of code on your doorstep :P | 16:54 |
| eharney | yes, i looked at it a bit ago, and will be diving back into the updated code shortly | 16:54 |
| bswartz | eharney: thx | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | notmyname: you guys are going to imlement share-services in swift :) | 16:54 |
| bswartz | anyways, the big complaint about the code during grizzly was that it wasn't ready until G3 and people were nervous | 16:54 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: I'll be happy to -2 10k line patches in swift :-) | 16:55 |
| hemna | and that it doesn't belong in cinder | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | notmyname: :) | 16:55 |
| bswartz | we're here now in H1 and we're committed to fixing any issues during havana, and tempest /cinderclient/devstack stuff will come not long after the code is accepted | 16:55 |
| avishay | notmyname: lol | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | and that it only supported NetApp | 16:55 |
| med_ | notmyname, as long as you don't +2 in cinder | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | med_: HA!! | 16:55 |
| * notmyname is not sure what a share service is | 16:55 | |
| jgriffith | bswartz: so if it goes in and bugs get to a threshold and aren't being fixed, and it's not keeping up... | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | That means it can be removed without objection? | 16:56 |
| med_ | notmyname, nfs, smb, etc. | 16:56 |
| notmyname | ah | 16:56 |
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| bswartz | yeah if netapp can't maintain it or build a community to maintain it then it should be trashed, absolutely | 16:56 |
| med_ | thinks NAS | 16:56 |
| hemna | jgriffith, pulling 8k lines of code spread throughout cinder....at the last minute of H3. | 16:56 |
| hemna | gives me chills | 16:56 |
| bswartz | we're just asking for an opporunity to get started | 16:56 |
| bswartz | incubating a whole new project is a LONG process | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Just to be clear for the past year and a half there's been an opporunity | 16:57 |
| bswartz | We'd like to do what nova-volume did | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you would've been through it by now FYI | 16:57 |
| hemna | The safest place for share service and the most flexibility for share service and it's core members I believe is in it's own project. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and there's a reason that it's a long process | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: this short cut is a dangerous deal whether you think so or not | 16:58 |
| bswartz | I think the community for shares will largely overlap with the community for block storage | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I don't think that's true | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I have a difficult time with resources on block as it is | 16:58 |
| bswartz | not 100%, but many storage vendors have solutions for both | 16:58 |
| avishay | The community may overlap, but I think these two sides to Cinder will influence each other in bad ways | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I don't need more vendors adding drivers | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I need folks to work on the core project | 16:59 |
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| eharney | i still think the question of incubating within Cinder vs. starting another project needs to hit the ML for input from some non-Cinder folks | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: anyhow... I stil would urge you guys to do this right and create a project | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you've already done most of the work | 16:59 |
| kmartin | bswartz: say we allow it in cinder for the time being, would it almost be impossible to pull it back out when it becomes it's own service, we're talking 7500 lines of code, where it really belongs in the first place | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | eharney: we've tried that and there was very little input from the dev community | 17:00 |
| thingee | jgriffith, bswartz: own project and incubated by openstack +1 | 17:00 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: we did take steps to address that | 17:00 |
| eharney | jgriffith: hrm, seems odd, but maybe that's why i haven't heard much from outside | 17:00 |
| bswartz | kmartin: disabling the service if we're not happy with it doesn't require changing much | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: netapp and bswartz inparticular were extremely cooperative in working with me on the design last summer to help with that | 17:00 |
| danwent | jgriffith: heads up, i believe there's another meeting starting here very soon | 17:00 |
| thingee | bswartz: if it was its own project you could +2 it now | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | danwent: thank you sir | 17:01 |
| thingee | bswartz: :) | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | folks, we're out of time | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #openstack-cinder | 17:01 |
| avishay | own project +1 | 17:01 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | we're all there anyway | 17:01 |
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| kmartin | I was talking about pulling the code out, not disabling it | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 17:01:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-05-22-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-05-22-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-05-22-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 17:01:41 2013 UTC. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | #topic salutations | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | Greetings programmers! | 17:02 |
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| danwent | :) | 17:02 |
| ssshi | hi | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | Our agenda today. | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | Since this is only our second meeting I don't think it would be amiss to go around and do a quick introduction. | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | I'm Shawn Hartsock from VMware and I'm working on VMwareAPI in Nova full time. Who else is here? | 17:03 |
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| danwent | hi, its dan wendlandt, also from vmware | 17:03 |
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| woodspa | I'm Patrick Woods from IBM. | 17:03 |
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| ssshi | Shanshi Shi here from ctrip.com | 17:03 |
| danwent | is eustace not here? | 17:04 |
| kirankv | Hi, kiran from HP | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | Are the HP guys in the house? Ah hi! | 17:04 |
| Eustace | Eustace from HP | 17:04 |
| rsacharya | Srinivas from HP | 17:04 |
| danwent | i know a few others are lurking, but perhaps they are shy :) | 17:04 |
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| Daviey | o/ hola | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | They can just say hey if they like… or don't | 17:05 |
| danwent | ok, let's dive in :) | 17:05 |
| Daviey | I'm loud and proud to be here. o/ | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | *lol* | 17:05 |
| danwent | yes Daviey, no one would confuse you as being shy | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | In case it gets dropped off due to time again… I've opened #openstack-vmware and I hang out there a bit. | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | You can have general discussion there. | 17:06 |
| danwent | all the cool kids are doing it :P | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | If that's everyone, we have some unfinished discussion from last time... | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | #topic continued Havana Blueprint discussion | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-clusters-managed-by-one-service | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/accurate-capacity-of-clusters-for-scheduler | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | Eustace, did you get back with legal on those copyright notices? Who can help with that? | 17:08 |
| danwent | we need to get those blueprints assigned to the "havana" series | 17:08 |
| danwent | and targeted to a specific milestone | 17:08 |
| danwent | either h-1 or h-2 | 17:08 |
| danwent | its getting quite late for h-1 | 17:09 |
| Eustace | Discussions still in progress with Legal | 17:09 |
| danwent | if we want to shoot for h-1, i'd suggest we get the code posted for a Work-in-progress review ASAP | 17:09 |
| danwent | or actually, may be too late already | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | I'm thinking it's already too close a deadline unless the code can be posted *right now* | 17:09 |
| danwent | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 17:10 |
| danwent | hartsocks: yeah, i agree. if HP is still dealing with legal stuff. | 17:10 |
| kirankv | I dont think the copyright text is preventing from them getting tagged to a specific milestone | 17:10 |
| danwent | kirankv: ah, i misunderstood what Eustace was talking about | 17:10 |
| danwent | do you have permission to post the code for review publicly? | 17:10 |
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| danwent | or do you need legal approval for that as well? | 17:11 |
| kirankv | ok, the code in work in progress state will be sent for review before the cutoff | 17:11 |
| danwent | kirankv: what cutoff are you referring to? | 17:11 |
| Eustace | We can post the code publically | 17:11 |
| kirankv | h-1 | 17:12 |
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| danwent | kirankv: i expect a lot of review comments, so we likely need it posted for feedback more than a week before it would need to merge. | 17:12 |
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| danwent | and the merge cutoff for H-1 is likely next tuesday | 17:13 |
| kirankv | from merge perpective h-2 seems realistic | 17:13 |
| danwent | kirankv: i agree. | 17:13 |
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| danwent | I would still encourage for us to start getting feedback as soon as possible though. | 17:13 |
| kirankv | agree that there will be lot of comments and posting it earlier would help | 17:13 |
| danwent | hartsocks: can you work with russellb to make sure these blueprints get assigned to the 'havana' series and the 'h-2' milestone? | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | Okee dokee… | 17:14 |
| russellb | goes into my review gueue when it's assigned, milestone is set, and then proposed to havana release series | 17:14 |
| danwent | if kirankv thinks they can get code posted for WIP in a week, h-2 should be a good target. | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | #action hartsocks to work with russellb to tag blueprints to H-2 | 17:14 |
| kirankv | we had done our dev using G3 rc1 and its taking some time to get it on h | 17:14 |
| danwent | russellb: there's already an 'assignee' in lp, if that is what you mean, or are you talking about somethign else? | 17:15 |
| russellb | just need to set havana-2, and then set the series goal to havana | 17:15 |
| danwent | got it. | 17:15 |
| russellb | then it goes into my list of stuff proposed for havana that i need to review/approve | 17:16 |
| danwent | no one on our side has the permissions, so hopefully you can do that. | 17:16 |
| danwent | ok, got it. | 17:16 |
| russellb | once you're the assignee, you should be able to set the milestone and series | 17:16 |
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| Daviey | russellb: are you sure? | 17:16 |
| danwent | ok, so kirankv, can you se the milestone on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/accurate-capacity-of-clusters-for-scheduler ? | 17:16 |
| russellb | 99.8% sure of that :-) | 17:16 |
| danwent | to h-2? | 17:16 |
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| danwent | we can test it live :) | 17:16 |
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| Daviey | oh sorry, thought we were talking about a bug. | 17:17 |
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| kirankv | milestone and series gone have been set | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | #undo | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | awesome. | 17:18 |
| kirankv | will do the same for other blueprint as well | 17:18 |
| danwent | ok, great | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | #action kirankv will set milestones on blueprints assigned | 17:18 |
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| danwent | ok, in terms of other blueprints, I think we'll be putting one in for being able to do volumes based on vSphere datastores | 17:19 |
| danwent | this is something we talked about at the summit, but I don't think there is a BP for yet | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova?searchtext=vmware | 17:20 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: yeah, i haven't seen one for it. | 17:21 |
| danwent | but this would likely be a blueprint first for cinder | 17:21 |
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| danwent | and then a bug or blueprint to add 'attach' support for this type of datastore in nova. | 17:21 |
| danwent | or rather, this type of volume | 17:21 |
| Daviey | danwent: Is there planed to be a Quantum integration one? I understood that is a current area of weakness ? | 17:21 |
| danwent | Daviey: there is the existing NVP integration that will work. | 17:22 |
| danwent | Daviey: we're also looking at doing a quantum integration with the non-NVP vwmare networking, for existing deployments. | 17:22 |
| Daviey | danwent: Ah cool, there is interest in that aswell. | 17:22 |
| danwent | if there's anyone interested in working on that, please let me know, as I'm trying to find resources for it. | 17:22 |
| danwent | i have some people within vmware that can likely help, but may not be the full owner. | 17:23 |
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| danwent | ok, shall we move on to bugs? | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | Anything else on blueprints? | 17:24 |
| ssshi | there's also a glance bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/hypervisor-templates-as-glance-images | 17:24 |
| Daviey | danwent: I think we can offer some help, but probably not own | 17:24 |
| Daviey | I can't speak on behalf of who would be driving it. | 17:24 |
| Eustace | We are working on a solution for that BP | 17:24 |
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| Eustace | nearly done | 17:24 |
| danwent | Daviey: ok, let's sync on that offline. | 17:25 |
| danwent | Eustace: ok, looks already targeted for h-2 | 17:25 |
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| Eustace | we'll be able to get that code for review within a few days | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | great. | 17:26 |
| danwent | ok, great. | 17:26 |
| ssshi | that's great | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | anything else else on blueprints? | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | #topic high priority bugs | 17:27 |
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| danwent | #link all bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:27 |
| danwent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180897 | 17:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180897 in nova "nova compute fails when vmware cluster has more than one ESXi Host" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:27 |
| danwent | seems like this should be a very high priority… | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1178369 which was identified as a blocker… I am planning to move to 1180897 | 17:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1178369 in nova "VNC console does not work with VCDriver" [Medium,In progress] | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | I was on 1180897 but the VNC thing was raised as a blocker. | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | I have a work in progress patch on the VNC issue … still diagnosing the cluster issue. | 17:28 |
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| danwent | yup, i think that makes sense. if there's someone else with available cycles though, perhaps they could jump on the cluster issues as well. | 17:28 |
| Daviey | Personally, i'm not sure how significant lack of VNC is as a blocker. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | Daviey: IKR? That's why I was ignoring it. Turns out it's a huge issue. | 17:29 |
| Daviey | I mean, if that is users primary interface into instances.. then they are doing it wrong™ | 17:29 |
| danwent | Daviey: its certainly a blocker in our internal cloud deployments, which use Horizon | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | and there you go… | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | So let's not beat a dead horse. | 17:30 |
| danwent | its just an ease of use thing. | 17:30 |
| Daviey | ok | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | We're working on these two big issues. | 17:30 |
| danwent | espeically if you are using private networks, and don't want everything to have a floating ip | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | What else is out there? | 17:30 |
| danwent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180779 | 17:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180779 in nova "VMwareESXDriver and VMwareVCDriver report incorrect stat" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:30 |
| danwent | two things here | 17:31 |
| danwent | there is a patch referenced in this bug that actually tries to address two things. I think it should be split, one patch per bug | 17:31 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/29552 | 17:31 |
| danwent | kirankv: this is your patch, correct? | 17:31 |
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| danwent | the second point on this bug is about how the "Multiple datastores" issue is resolved. | 17:32 |
| Eustace | yes, it's Kirankv's patch | 17:32 |
| kirankv | yes, but its a little effort to get them seperated since needs changes in the unit tests as well | 17:32 |
| danwent | i think different people have different thoughts on how the datastore issue should be addressed. | 17:32 |
| danwent | kirankv: i'm pretty sure once a nova core dev looks at it, there advice would be to split it | 17:33 |
| kirankv | well since its a cluster driver, IMHO only shared datastore must be used | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | We had another developer at vmware who has a patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1171930 but is holding on to it because it's obvious HP is working here. | 17:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1171930 in nova "vsphere driver hardcoded to only use first datastore in cluster" [Wishlist,In progress] | 17:33 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: yeah, that is why i think we need a discussion on the right way to solve the problem. | 17:33 |
| danwent | it seems like the currently proposed patch will not allow the use of local disks ever? | 17:34 |
| danwent | or am i misreading that? | 17:34 |
| kirankv | yes shared datastores for cluster driver, and all datastores for ESX driver | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | is the VCDriver to be interpreted as "the cluster driver" ? | 17:35 |
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| danwent | i think cluster will be common, but I wasn't seeing it as required | 17:35 |
| danwent | i know of customers talking about using it in a non-clustered (i.e., one cluster per ESX) model. | 17:36 |
| danwent | not sure if there are other issues with that model though. | 17:36 |
| kirankv | yes, if its acceptable to add another driver called cluster driver and more all cluster specific changes to this driver, i'd like to go with that approach | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | Hmm... | 17:36 |
| ssshi | i'm also working on that. when the scheduler received a dict capabalities, it simply make a copy. so i replaced the copy function with a customizable function to process the capabilities. | 17:36 |
| danwent | anyway, we don't need to have the design discussion in this meeting, but my point is that i think there are still design discussions to be had here, and so I think we need to talk about that before this portion of the patch can merge. | 17:37 |
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| hartsocks | Shall we set up a separate discussion for this design talk? | 17:37 |
| danwent | i'd suggest splitting the two bug fixes, merging the first one, and discussing how to address the datastore issue. | 17:37 |
| danwent | hartsocks: we can do it right after this meeting in openstack-vmware if people like. | 17:38 |
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| ssshi | agree with danwent | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | #action separate discussion in #openstack-vmware on datastore design issue | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | Any other high-priority bugs? | 17:39 |
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| danwent | I need to file a bug on this, but the new vif-plugging changes broken quantum integration in nova when the vcdriver is used. | 17:39 |
| danwent | fix should be relatively simple though. | 17:39 |
| danwent | we REALLY need to be moving toward an automated CI infrastructure to get this working | 17:40 |
| danwent | and keep it working :) | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | danwent: great! I need a simple bug to onboard some new developers we just hired | 17:40 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: ok, sounds good. will send you a link. | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | #topic bug etiquette | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug etiquette (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:41 | |
| hartsocks | Not on the official agenda… but… I'd like to just stress that if someone's marked that they are working on a bug…. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | please don't just take the bug away from them. Perhaps send them an email or make a comment on the bug as to why you are taking the bug from them. | 17:41 |
| Daviey | (danwent: We should talk about CI soonly.) | 17:41 |
| danwent | Daviey: happily! | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | we have some time now. | 17:42 |
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| danwent | Daviey: i know some HP folks are looking into CI as well, and hopefully mtaylor can help us on that front. | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | #topic CI discussion | 17:43 |
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| Daviey | danwent: How happy have openstack-ci been to introduce real vmware testing? | 17:43 |
| danwent | anyone from the HP team able to talk about the status there? I think the ball was in your court. | 17:43 |
| Eustace | We are not in the loop on that topic | 17:44 |
| Daviey | I, probably incorrectly, assumed they'd not want to touch non-free components. | 17:44 |
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| danwent | Daviey: well, openstack on vSphere is priority for HP, and HP contributes a lot of resources to openstack-ci, including developers, so I think there's plenty of opportunity here. | 17:45 |
| danwent | especially given that the majority of existing nova devs don't dev-test on vSphere, automated CI tests are all that much more important :) | 17:45 |
| Daviey | I think that is the best direction :) | 17:45 |
| danwent | #action #danwent contact HP contact for CI work again. | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | okay... | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | Last topic on my agenda... | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | #topic group meeting time | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | I held a vote on the meeting time... | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | #link http://i.imgur.com/u4XyLLL.png | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | here's a screenshot of the votes. | 17:47 |
| * Daviey has to leave now. Thanks o/ | 17:48 | |
| hartsocks | It's pretty clear that this is a good meeting time for most people willing to vote on a survey monkey survey about meeting times. | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | I'll hold the voting open one more week | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | #link http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DN8YFSL | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | Barring any sudden rush of votes I think this is our regular meeting time. | 17:49 |
| danwent | agreed | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | Okay then | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:50 | |
| hartsocks | Anything else folks need to chat about? | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | alright, see you next week | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings" | 17:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 17:51:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-05-22-17.01.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-05-22-17.01.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-05-22-17.01.log.html | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | remember #openstack-vmware is open for discussion and I'll be hanging out there regularly. | 17:52 |
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| mordred | danwent, Daviey aroo? | 18:28 |
| danwent | yes, but on another call right now. | 18:28 |
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| danwent | mordred: do you have time to chat about vsphere CI sometime soon? | 18:33 |
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| mordred | danwent: how long of a chat? like a quick IRC one? or a longer thing? | 18:35 |
| mordred | (quick==yes, long==next week) | 18:35 |
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| Daviey | mordred: here | 18:37 |
| danwent | let's do quick now. can you talk in 3 mins? | 18:37 |
| danwent | just wrapping up a call | 18:37 |
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| mordred | absolute | 18:37 |
| mordred | absolutely | 18:37 |
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| danwent | ok, thanks for waiting | 18:40 |
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| danwent | one of our openstack + vsphere devs is also joining | 18:41 |
| danwent | mordred, Daviey: i'm back | 18:41 |
| mordred | hey hey | 18:41 |
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| danwent | mordred: did nigel talk to you at all about your thoughts on vsphere in openstack-ci? | 18:41 |
| mordred | danwent: not to my knowledge - but then my brain is rather slippery | 18:42 |
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| danwent | anyway, we were talking about how HP + VMware can coordinate around improving vsphere support in openstack and testing is obvious a huge area in need of improvement | 18:42 |
| mordred | I think it's likely going to be similar in form to the chats I've had with primeministerp about hyperv testing though | 18:42 |
| mordred | oh - ah - talk to me with HP hat on | 18:43 |
| * mordred puts on other hat too | 18:43 | |
| danwent | and since HP has a leading role in the in the CI stuff this seemed like a natural fit | 18:43 |
| danwent | well, both hats actually… a two hatter! | 18:43 |
| * mordred looks at self in mirror wearing two hats... | 18:43 | |
| danwent | :) | 18:43 |
| mordred | do you happen to know any product folks at HP who have vsphere interest? | 18:44 |
| mordred | honestly, the physical act of testing is a mostly-known quantity and I could tell you how it would work right now | 18:44 |
| mordred | but staffing it is going to be the biggest hurdle | 18:44 |
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| danwent | mordred: let me put you in touch with the right HP people. | 18:45 |
| mordred | so if I could find the right product guy to prioritize it, it would help me get a head on it | 18:45 |
| danwent | vmware has folks who can help out as well. | 18:45 |
| mordred | sweet | 18:45 |
| danwent | i think we can tackle the staffing | 18:45 |
| danwent | an of course there's intereste from Daviey's team as well | 18:45 |
| mordred | sweet | 18:45 |
| mordred | so- the 3 second version of how it works technically | 18:45 |
| danwent | haha, perfect, just what i was about to ask for | 18:46 |
| mordred | is similar to what Daviey and jamespage do for juju/package stuff - although possibly a little different | 18:46 |
| mordred | that's that there needs to be an env somewhere that's vsphere capable/able to run tests | 18:46 |
| mordred | then we set up a thing like smokestack, or like the ubuntu jenkins, which receives gerrit events and triggers tests there | 18:47 |
| Daviey | right | 18:47 |
| mordred | those can then vote back on changes as much as they like | 18:47 |
| mordred | the tricky bits are often around making sure the test rig can handle the incoming load of changes | 18:47 |
| Daviey | mordred: so you don't want this to be a core jenkins ci thing? | 18:47 |
| danwent | mordred: agreed. we have an internal openstack cloud that will soon be able to run ESX nested. | 18:48 |
| danwent | Daviey: yeah, that was my question as well. | 18:48 |
| mordred | not at first - we don't really have the place to put it right now | 18:48 |
| danwent | the tricky thing is that HP/RAX cloud probably can't run ESX nested today. | 18:48 |
| mordred | exactly | 18:48 |
| Daviey | danwent: does ESX nest into kvm? | 18:49 |
| danwent | Daviey: no | 18:49 |
| mordred | so I tihnk the easiest way to get it moving is to do it smokestack style | 18:49 |
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| mordred | and then we can make a follow on step for exploring how to 'promote' it once we're all a little bit more fluent in how it all hangs together | 18:49 |
| Daviey | well. jenkins style. | 18:49 |
| mordred | yeah :) | 18:49 |
| mordred | I meant external tool style | 18:50 |
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| danwent | mordred: do you want me to loop you into the HP thread with your inaugust email, or somethign else? | 18:50 |
| Daviey | you mean per merge proposal, pre-commit, non-block/binding | 18:50 |
| mordred | danwent: monty.taylor@hp.com | 18:50 |
| mordred | I do | 18:50 |
| mordred | because the technical challenges to solve for per merge proposal, pre-commit, non-block/binding are the same as if it was binding | 18:51 |
| Daviey | right | 18:51 |
| Daviey | I don't think this has to be terribly complex | 18:51 |
| mordred | agree | 18:51 |
| Daviey | the bits are all there.. they just need plumbing together with some glue :) | 18:52 |
| mordred | that said - forgive my ignorance - when we say "vsphere" are we talking about vmware esx? | 18:52 |
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| Daviey | danwent might comment differently, but the test is really just making sure the vsphere operates correctly and can be exercised | 18:53 |
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| Daviey | It's not about CI'ing vmware :) | 18:53 |
| danwent | mordred: we're talking about vCenter controller ESX. | 18:53 |
| danwent | the calls go Nova -> vCenter -> ESX Box | 18:53 |
| danwent | yes, all we're looking to test here is the Nova integration, not vCenter or ESX in general | 18:53 |
| mordred | is vCenter open source? | 18:54 |
| danwent | nope :) | 18:54 |
| danwent | but we can get free licesnses as needed, if we had to run it somewhere else | 18:54 |
| mordred | well ... that might color the eventual existence of the thing in the upstream gate :) | 18:54 |
| mordred | it's mainly about how we structure this | 18:54 |
| mordred | if it's in the gate, problems it uncovers need to be addressable by developers | 18:54 |
| mordred | which doesn't mean we can't test the code paths | 18:55 |
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| mordred | but it might mean that we might need to think a little bit more about how its structured | 18:55 |
| danwent | agreeed | 18:55 |
| sdague | but smokestack isn't in the gate, it's just in the check path. That's probably the right way to think about this for a while. | 18:55 |
| mordred | I'd say that first step of external testing interface is a clear win | 18:55 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 18:55 |
| danwent | but the reality is that we're going to end up gating on stuff that the developer doesn't have in their own dev environment | 18:56 |
| mordred | people enjoy the feedback from good installs | 18:56 |
| Daviey | Well.. the debate with HyperV was that developers didn't want to lose velocity making their patchstes work with HyperV.. They wanted it to notify HyperV carers to help fix it. | 18:56 |
| Daviey | I hoped that openstack has matured a little more since then, and people introducing changes should be responsible for not breaking others. | 18:56 |
| danwent | well, is by "lose velocity" you mean "be a good developer and don't break other peoples" stuff, then I disagree | 18:56 |
| danwent | Daviey: agree :) | 18:57 |
| mordred | right. I think that once we have non-voting gating on both hyperv and/or vsphere, it'll be an easier conversation to have a bout next steps | 18:57 |
| Daviey | +1 | 18:57 |
| danwent | mordred: ok, sounds like we're all on the same page about next steps | 18:57 |
| mordred | gah | 18:57 |
| mordred | not-voting jobs | 18:57 |
| mordred | not non-voting gating. that makes no sense | 18:57 |
| sdague | heh | 18:57 |
| mordred | you all know what I mean | 18:57 |
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| sdague | yeh, just think about the check path | 18:57 |
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| danwent | ok, hartsocks, you around? | 18:58 |
| mordred | and danwent, I'll definitely loop up with hp folks to have a company to company discussion | 18:58 |
| danwent | hartsocks runs the openstack-vsphere meeting. | 18:58 |
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| sdague | honestly, having spent as much time staring at check results as anyone, I think plenty will shake out just trying to get the check paths to be consistently passing | 18:58 |
| danwent | mordred: great. i will send the email to let you know who i've been connected with. | 18:58 |
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| Daviey | danwent: can i be in the thread please? | 18:59 |
| danwent | ok, got to run to another meeting. sorry. ttyl | 18:59 |
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| danwent | Daviey: sure, will pull you in. | 18:59 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 20:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| shardy | shardy here | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | here (mostly) | 20:00 |
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| hanney | o/ | 20:00 |
| zaneb | I'm awake | 20:00 |
| mrutkows | here | 20:00 |
| randallburt | hello | 20:00 |
| TravT | Travis Tripp here | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | hi | 20:01 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| shardy | hi all | 20:01 |
| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:01 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb awake/alive :) | 20:01 |
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| shardy | #info stevebaker stevebaker to send ML email re backwards-compatibility | 20:02 |
| zaneb | sdake_: <zaneb> I'm awake | 20:02 |
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| fsargent | hi! | 20:02 |
| keith_bray | hi | 20:02 |
| m4dcoder | hi! | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:02 |
| shardy | I saw this sent today | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | sent, haven't checked for replies yet | 20:02 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 20:02 |
| shardy | please add replies if you have strong opinions on the subject :) | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I wonder if you might want to send it to the general openstack ML | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | there was one reply stating it will be possible in future versions of openstack to use past versions | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: as that one is full of users, rathe than developers | 20:02 |
| shardy | #info shardy PoC HOT patch | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | true | 20:03 |
| shardy | So I started looking at this, but not posted anything yet | 20:03 |
| shardy | #action shardy PoC HOT patch | 20:03 |
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| shardy | was waiting for the converged template, which brings me to.. | 20:03 |
| shardy | #info randallburt, tspatzier provide converged DSL/HOT example | 20:03 |
| randallburt | so, we discussed this a bit | 20:04 |
| * SpamapS starts drum roll | 20:04 | |
| zaneb | lol | 20:04 |
| randallburt | and I think based on our conversations today, we may want to change tacks and go the zane route of a couple new bps for some specifics | 20:04 |
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| randallburt | rather than try to get an entire format agreed upon beforehand | 20:04 |
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| shardy | randallburt: sounds good, and I'd really like us to start making some progress on the Provides BPs soon | 20:05 |
| zaneb | +1 million | 20:05 |
| shardy | Providers that is | 20:05 |
| randallburt | shardy: should have some folks starting on that in the next week or so | 20:05 |
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| shardy | randallburt: Do you have resources to look at those, the current assignee has been fairly quiet ;) | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | its all about the journey, not the destination ;) | 20:05 |
| randallburt | actually, next week | 20:05 |
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| tspatzier | randallburt: not sure this depends on zane's proposal. We should be able to agree on a hello world kind of template without that | 20:05 |
| randallburt | shardy: yes | 20:05 |
| randallburt | he will be less quiet soon | 20:05 |
| shardy | randallburt: Ok, great, sounds good | 20:06 |
| tspatzier | Would be good to have this PoC HOT patch to be able to start some coding | 20:06 |
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| keith_bray | shardy I'll back randallburt up.. will get the resources going asap.. we are rolling off or previous comittments. | 20:06 |
| keith_bray | s/or/our | 20:06 |
| TravT | So, should we still be commenting on the template alternatives posted or will there be a new place? | 20:06 |
| randallburt | based on some discussions today tspatzier, I think the new bps will help there | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | starting with Providers, then maybe Environments next | 20:06 |
| shardy | tspatzier: OK, I'll still post a PoC draft patch, which we can discuss, figure out where the additional template translation may work | 20:06 |
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| mrutkows | can you summarize the new BPs? | 20:07 |
| shardy | we already do something somewhat similar with the YAML/CFN reformatting | 20:07 |
| mrutkows | and when we might see them? | 20:07 |
| randallburt | TravT: I'll do one more review to gerrit and we can work from bps from there | 20:07 |
| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/provider-resource | 20:07 |
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| tspatzier | TravT: comments would still be welcome | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | so bps are fine, but there is at least a template that is the goal to deploy, right? | 20:07 |
| randallburt | shardy: will do another push after meeting | 20:07 |
| tspatzier | SpamapS: that was my thinking as well | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | like, we've settled on one to be 0.1 of the examples? | 20:08 |
| TravT | tspatzier: Ok. Just got back from 3 weeks travel and found them this morning. | 20:08 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I personally would prefer initially to focus on adding the missing stuff to the internal model | 20:08 |
| shardy | then polish the syntax later | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | shardy: 100% agree | 20:08 |
| randallburt | shardy: agreed, afraid we'd get stuck otherwise | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | yea we need provider + env | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I suggest that missing stuff be exercised by a "good enough" template that can be improved on as the holes are found. | 20:09 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: let's be clear here, design is not only bottom-up or top-down, both must happen _simultaneously_ | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | yeah totally | 20:09 |
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| SpamapS | Like we know there are things that will need to be done in the core to support things that are not yet done in the interface (templates). | 20:09 |
| shardy | zaneb: yep, but we could test the new bottom-up features via a superset CFN syntax | 20:09 |
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| shardy | we don't actually *need* a whole new DSL syntax to test the functionality | 20:10 |
| shardy | although I know many people are interested in working towards having one | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | +1 for a superset CFN until there is at least a feature-parity-capable HOT template format settled on. | 20:10 |
| zaneb | +1000 for a superset syntax | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: careful, you'll run out of +1's | 20:10 |
| randallburt | shardy: agreed. the more I work with it, the more I'm convinced we'll get there eventually | 20:11 |
| shardy | Ok, sounds like we have agreement, hooray! ;) | 20:11 |
| * mordred hands zaneb a bucket of +1's | 20:11 | |
| SpamapS | then you become that guy who has to -1 everything just to get back to even. :) | 20:11 |
| tspatzier | shardy: agree, but having a picture of how the new features would surface in the DSL would help understanding if we can parse the new format easily in the future and if it looks intuitive | 20:11 |
| randallburt | zaneb: can use some of mine | 20:11 |
| shardy | tspatzier: sure, that discussion should continue, and is valuable | 20:11 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: exactly | 20:11 |
| shardy | I just think we should start work on the bottom-up stuff now, before we start running out of time.. :) | 20:12 |
| zaneb | we need the code and the template syntax to co-evolve with feedback from each other | 20:12 |
| shardy | h1 is only a week away.. | 20:12 |
| shardy | which brings me to the next topic.. | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, land what you can when you can. Don't build up all the delta in a massive "early in I cycle" patch bonanza | 20:12 |
| zaneb | just looking at the template syntax won't work; just looking at the code will create a mess | 20:12 |
| shardy | Yep, incremental steps towards the end goal | 20:13 |
| shardy | #topic h1 bugs/blueprints | 20:13 |
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| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-1 | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | I'll be focusing on my quantum/vpc bugs | 20:13 |
| shardy | Anyone got anything they don't think will land in time? | 20:14 |
| shardy | h1 is only a week away | 20:14 |
| jpeeler | afraid so, will adjust everything at the end of this week | 20:14 |
| shardy | jpeeler: no problem, just bump any to h2 which won't get completed | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | shardy have some infra patches that haven't passed review yet | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | but tested on devstack seem to work | 20:15 |
| zaneb | parallel launch is dependent on folks reviewing the patches | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | seems like h1 is looking pretty good really. | 20:15 |
| shardy | sdake_: sounds good - do you need reviews from us? | 20:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, how many more patches in the queue? | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | i had to rebase one because of pbr, I may need to rebase others | 20:16 |
| zaneb | about 20 | 20:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, well lets see if we can shorten the review cycle a bit over the next few days | 20:17 |
| shardy | #action everyone to do reviews ;) | 20:17 |
| zaneb | there's 4 up there now if there are any takers :) | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | zaneb are they in gerrit, I don't see 20 patches from you | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | moar +1's and +2's | 20:17 |
| zaneb | sdake_: no, I haven't submitted the whole series because rebases make it too difficult to follow | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | zaneb makes sense | 20:18 |
| shardy | Ok, one other thing re h1 | 20:18 |
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| shardy | Can everyone do a bit of testing next week, try to make sure we have a milestone release which works? | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | we may be close to having some heat tempest gating | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | well done | 20:20 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: sounds great! Still be good for us all to do some basic smoke tests tho (ie not just unit tests) | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | yup | 20:21 |
| shardy | anything else on h1 or bugs/bps in general? | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | should get to ceilometer alarms in h2 | 20:21 |
| shardy | asalkeld: awesome :) | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | alarming functionality nearly all in ceilometer (eglynn just doing the last bit) | 20:22 |
| shardy | asalkeld: how hard is the migration going to be from the heat perspective? | 20:22 |
| shardy | Seems like we'll have to rip out a fair amout of stuff | 20:22 |
| shardy | (or make optional rather) | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | well thinking on having both in place | 20:23 |
| shardy | +1 | 20:23 |
| * SpamapS always tests tip, so far things look great. :) | 20:23 | |
| sdake_ | +1 | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | for people that already have deployments | 20:23 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: for how long? | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | 1 release? | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | though I don't test watches or autoscaling :p | 20:23 |
| m4dcoder | asalkeld: i can help with the ceilometer rework | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | thinking of ppetit | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | thanks m4dcoder | 20:24 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I'm thinking of how we do the engine-scaling stuff | 20:24 |
| shardy | SpamapS: do you regularly test stack update? | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | having to support periodic tasks as well makes it far more difficult | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, we will get a web hook | 20:24 |
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| asalkeld | thinking of still inserting a watch as a placeholder | 20:25 |
| mrutkows | I can help with Ceilometer work as well | 20:25 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that's fine for ceilometer, but for supporting the old way? | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | yea, got to keep it there | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | at least optionally | 20:25 |
| shardy | asalkeld: actually zaneb and I discussed the engine-scale-out problem and realized that it gets much simplified without all the engine periodic tasks | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | I'll tread carefully | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | shardy, yea it does | 20:26 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: or we could say "no scaling out of heat-engine if you use the old autoscaling" | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:26 |
| zaneb | that works for me | 20:26 |
| shardy | zaneb: that sounds like a pretty reasonable compromise | 20:26 |
| zaneb | won't be pretty, but it is reasonable :D | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | ~. | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | yea, don't want to make users pissed off | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | shardy: sorry, coffee shop wifi booted me off | 20:27 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: I do test update quite a bit, but only updating metadata and occasionally adding new instance resources | 20:27 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, cool - I'm just thinking of test exposure for my now-quite-bug update interface refactor/cleanup | 20:28 |
| shardy | Anything else or shall we move on? | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | all good | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | shardy: hopefully stevebaker's tempest stuff will include updatestack? | 20:28 |
| * SpamapS still thinks humans are the worst choice for testing things. | 20:28 | |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: it will when you write one :P | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | hah | 20:29 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: s/testing/checking/ | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: sweet, I actually really want to flesh out that testing. | 20:29 |
| shardy | I guess the point is really asking people who actually *use* the features if they're happy that they still work | 20:29 |
| fsargent | Oh, BTW, if you want to test Heat on Rackspace hardware, we have $500/mo accounts for you:; iopenedthecloud.com | 20:29 |
| shardy | but yep, automated tests ftw | 20:29 |
| fsargent | Unrelated to topic, please excuse. | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | thanks fsargent | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | already applied | 20:30 |
| shardy | fsargent: thanks, saw that link earlier | 20:30 |
| shardy | #topic Removal of tools/openstack scripts | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Removal of tools/openstack scripts (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:30 | |
| shardy | So I've raised a bug to remove tools/openstack* | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | what is promting this? | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | \o/ | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | I thought you guys used it | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | I suspect what is prompting that is the untenable situation it presents. | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | its a maintenance burden | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | wont be using it for long because of lib changes | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | Heat doesn't need to maintain a "deploy openstack" script. :-P | 20:31 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: the reason is we've got lots of users coming in asking for RDO help (having installed via packstack), and their configs are broken because tools/openstack does things slightly differently | 20:31 |
| shardy | So why not just use packstack | 20:31 |
| zaneb | I find it tools/openstack unusable already on F17 | 20:31 |
| shardy | is my suggestion | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | I'd love to see us maintain a VM image people can boot and try Heat on | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | ya | 20:32 |
| * SpamapS points at diskimage-builder ... | 20:32 | |
| shardy | I actually have used the script quite a lot, but it seems like time to kill it IMO (now we have packstack and RDO) | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | is there an ubuntu version of packstack? | 20:32 |
| shardy | that was my next question - | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | juju ;) | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | packstack would likely run on ubuntu | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | (that people use) | 20:33 |
| shardy | what's "the" way to do all-in-one installs on Ubuntu? | 20:33 |
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| SpamapS | apt-get install all-the-things | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | crickets | 20:33 |
| shardy | can we just link to a procedure someone else publishes? | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | Thats what I would recommend. | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | or devstack, which we cover already | 20:34 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I'm not an ubuntu user, can you suggest such a link? | 20:34 |
| shardy | stevebaker: the idea is instructions for devstack, RDO/packstack, and $ubuntu-packaged-stuff | 20:35 |
| shardy | although we're not packaged for ubuntu yet are we? | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | shardy: no, because I use devstack or diskimage-builder's boot-stack | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | which both use git | 20:35 |
| sdake_ | shardy: the documentation tells how to install openstack on ubuntu | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | and are probably too crazy for most people. :) | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | shardy: the debian packages likely work fine on Ubuntu | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | in fact, heat is in saucy | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/heat | 20:36 |
| sdake_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/basic-install/apt/content/ | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | I can practically hear people googling;) | 20:37 |
| sdake_ | shardy ^ | 20:37 |
| sdake_ | actually I have a bookmark :) | 20:37 |
| shardy | sdake_: Ok, I was thinking of a simple, scripted, beginner friendly script or tool | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | shardy, we don't have to find it now | 20:37 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, I just wanted to clarify if such a thing exists before deleting tools/openstack_ubuntu | 20:38 |
| sdake_ | shardy: there is no such tool unless the deb/ubuntu community writes one | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | it's fair to say that people have been successfully installing openstack on Ubuntu for quite some time without our help | 20:38 |
| shardy | Ok, well are we agreed we should remove the scripts and update the docs then? | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:39 |
| shardy | zaneb: I get the impression almost all of our ubuntu users are on devstack | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | Right, the packages are very good and do a lot of setup for you. | 20:39 |
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| shardy | #topic Open discussion | 20:39 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | infrastructure are wanting to use heat againt rackspace and hpcloud | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | this provider/environment idea is going to really help to abstract the | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | differences in API/identity | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | clarkb, ... | 20:40 |
| clarkb | o/ | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | tell us your wows | 20:40 |
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| SpamapS | woes? | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | yip that one | 20:41 |
| zaneb | those too | 20:41 |
| clarkb | there are a couple places that I think we want to start using Heat. For managing our pool of devstack-gate slaves and to manage an elasticsearch cluster. I think mordred would like to see us use heat for all the things but these are some concrete goals we can focus on | 20:41 |
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| clarkb | this requires running VMs in rackspace and hpcloud and they provide some restrictions that are fun to work with | 20:42 |
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| clarkb | neither provide a way for self service VM image uploads so we can only boot the images they provide or snapshots that we create | 20:42 |
| keith_bray | Rackspace also wants to run Heat on Rackspace public cloud… we will be having to work through some of those fun challenges ourselves. | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | this might make a nice concrete (and productive) goal for the provider stuff | 20:43 |
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| stevebaker | for one thing, we can develop alternative middleware pipelines for whatever auth weirdness | 20:43 |
| clarkb | both also have funny keystone. Rackspace has special auth stuff iirc and hpcloud returns extra data | 20:43 |
| shardy | asalkeld: you mean envionments? | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | well both | 20:43 |
| randallburt | so basically, you'd have a template resource for doing things one way when you run heat in Rackspace, but a different resource template for running heat at HP? | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | env + provider | 20:43 |
| clarkb | and rackspace does not use cloud-init | 20:43 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: ah, k, cool | 20:44 |
| clarkb | fwiw I am not against running two different heats if I need to | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | short term it should be possible to hard-configure a heat to 1 external cloud | 20:44 |
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| clarkb | one to talk to rackspace and one to talk to hpcloud | 20:44 |
| clarkb | this may end up being better for sanity | 20:44 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, keith_bray, we were discussing this yesterday evening on #heat. Hence fsargent offering the hookup | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | have you guys done anything on this yet? | 20:45 |
| randallburt | yeah, its fun building an image to just install cloud-init only to snapshot it for use on other things | 20:45 |
| fsargent | Yeah... | 20:45 |
| fsargent | I'll ask people about cloud-init | 20:45 |
| fsargent | I'm not familiar with it personally | 20:45 |
| randallburt | i know there's been talk about it, but not sure where things are or if they are atm | 20:45 |
| fsargent | OK. What are alternatives to cloud-init? | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | can we run with out cloud-init? | 20:46 |
| keith_bray | fsargent, let's link up efforts. | 20:46 |
| * stevebaker has to go. kthxbye | 20:46 | |
| randallburt | chef | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | We could add an instance type that pushes heat's stuff in via SSH | 20:46 |
| randallburt | puppet, salt, etc | 20:46 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: not really | 20:46 |
| fsargent | oh keith_bray you're a racker, got it. | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | since I assume the SSH key is somehow magically injected to allow users to get into their instance | 20:46 |
| shardy | we could support a mode where cfn-init reads metadata via the API instead of userdata | 20:46 |
| shardy | but then you need something to run cfn-init | 20:46 |
| randallburt | uh, i don't think we have metadata running either | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | but it seems like not having cloud-init is probably a fairly temporary limitation of Rackspace's cloud | 20:47 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: you would think that but I think we do an initial login with passwords (that doesn't mean ssh with keys isn't possible just not happening today) | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | (though I thought that last summer when it went public...) | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: key, passwords, w'ever ;) | 20:47 |
| randallburt | you can inject keys, though | 20:47 |
| randallburt | as files or personality | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | point being, Heat isn't totally helpless here | 20:47 |
| wirehead_ | yeah, assuming the config is normalized…. I suspect that cloud-init (or something akin to that) is the 'better' option. Better is, of course, the enemy of 'done'. | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | All Heat wants to do after asking nova to boot a server is feed in some JSON to initialize its tools | 20:48 |
| sdake_ | and a starting script | 20:49 |
| fsargent | clarkb: remind me where you are? | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | So, in theory, you can have a custom resource plugin that ssh's in and puts the metadata where you want it, and runs userdata. | 20:49 |
| shardy | atm heat requires cloud-init and nova ec2 metadata to work properly, but we could support some other mode | 20:49 |
| randallburt | so, couldn't you spin a server and install cloud-init and cfn-tools then snapshot it and use that for testing from then on? | 20:49 |
| clarkb | fsargent: I am at HP but spend all my time hacking on the openstack ci/infra stuff | 20:49 |
| fsargent | Ok | 20:49 |
| randallburt | oh yeah, metadata. | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | but spending any time on this is a waste IMO, since RS should just follow the entire rest of the industry and support cloud-init. | 20:49 |
| shardy | the question is, do we really need to? | 20:50 |
| zaneb | so how does rackspace handle userdata passed to the nova API at the momemt? | 20:50 |
| mordred | +2 to RS growing cloud-init | 20:50 |
| fsargent | SpamapS: We'll do what we can. | 20:50 |
| sdake_ | tend to agree we should avoid special casing the codebase | 20:50 |
| keith_bray | SpamapS RS is working on it.. your point is valid. | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | #link http://www.openlogic.com/wazi/bid/188106/Bootstrapping-an-Ubuntu-Server-on-Rackspace-Using-Cloud-Init-and-Fog | 20:50 |
| fsargent | read that :) | 20:50 |
| fsargent | Not the ideal way to do it. | 20:50 |
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| randallburt | not a lot of alternatives, though | 20:51 |
| clarkb | how does that solve the meta data server problem? | 20:51 |
| randallburt | it doesn't. you have to use local "no-cloud" data injected via personality | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | any ways I think we really need to support infra - they would be an awesome user | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | agreed | 20:51 |
| clarkb | asalkeld: obviously I agree but I am also biased :) | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | :) | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | and it is highlighting real problems we need to solve | 20:52 |
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| shardy | agreed, we just need to understand exactly what changes (if any) are needed | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | shardy, we need a wiki/bp | 20:53 |
| sdake_ | but if we special case for rs, and hp, and all the other vendors, code base becomes hard to maintain | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | and a plan and people | 20:53 |
| clarkb | sdake_: yeah. I am not sure I would want to special case to do this | 20:53 |
| shardy | asalkeld: care to take an action? ;) | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:53 |
| shardy | #action asalkeld wiki/bp re infra heat usage | 20:53 |
| clarkb | sdake_: I am thinking that if a few things like being able to boot snapshots and some way around cloud-init were possible that would be sufficient | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | sdake_ hopeing for no special casing | 20:53 |
| sdake_ | clarkb willing to help with snapshot, think that is a fine feature | 20:54 |
| sdake_ | not sure how to get around cloud init - maybe a plugin for bootstrapping | 20:54 |
| clarkb | that leaves us with figuring out keystone, but it sounds like we can have middleware that handles this | 20:54 |
| shardy | are we saying the images can't have cloud-init, or that the data can't be passed via user/metadata? | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | there is userdata | 20:55 |
| clarkb | shardy: can't be passed via metadata | 20:55 |
| sdake_ | atm images dont have cloud init and can't pass via metadata server | 20:55 |
| clarkb | booting snapshots allows us to add cloud init | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | (only boot time) | 20:55 |
| shardy | sdake_: but we could use some other cloud-init datasource? | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | boot time is how we do it now, so fine | 20:56 |
| sdake_ | shardy perhaps a plugin that the cloud provider could provide - just speculation there tho | 20:56 |
| shardy | ie it doesn't *have* to be Ec2DataSource, we could make that configurable via cloud-config? | 20:56 |
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| shardy | Ok, I guess we need to better understand the limitations and investigate | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | so it has personalities | 20:56 |
| sdake_ | shardy I think the way rs cloud works is you have to pass the data prior to boot | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | can't we have a /etc/rc.init | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | that installs cloud-init | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | and runs it manually | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | ? | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | technical details... | 20:57 |
| shardy | Yep, we should follow up via bp/wiki I guess | 20:57 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: not portably | 20:58 |
| * SpamapS drops off early | 20:58 | |
| shardy | nearly out of time | 20:58 |
| randallburt | asalkeld: should work i think | 20:58 |
| randallburt | would be interesting to try anyway | 20:58 |
| wirehead_ | Agreed. If there's BP/wiki, that should make it easier for some of us rackers to prod the right people. | 20:58 |
| randallburt | keith_bray: ^^ | 20:59 |
| shardy | Ok, times up, thanks all! | 20:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 20:59:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-22-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-22-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-22-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 22 21:00:03 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:00 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:00 |
| mrutkows | o/ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:00 |
| DanD | o/ | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| jd__ | hey everybody | 21:00 |
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| m4dcoder_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| thomasm | o/ | 21:01 |
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| TravT | o/ | 21:01 |
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| jd__ | #topic Last week action: jd__ and dhellmann to write formal statement about limiting support for pre-grizzly versions of ceilometer | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last week action: jd__ and dhellmann to write formal statement about limiting support for pre-grizzly versions of ceilometer (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
| jd__ | I plead innocent | 21:02 |
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| eglynn_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| * dhellmann hangs head in shame | 21:02 | |
| terriyu | o/ | 21:02 |
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| jd__ | OTOH more time passes more useless it is :) | 21:03 |
| jd__ | shall we re-action, dhellmann ? | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | yes | 21:03 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:04 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ and dhellmann to write formal statement about limiting support for pre-grizzly versions of ceilometer | 21:04 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-1 milestone | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana-1 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:04 | |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:04 |
| jd__ | h1 is next week, in 8 days | 21:04 |
| dragondm | o/ | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | (I can only stay a couple of minutes) | 21:04 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: ack | 21:04 |
| eglynn_ | asalkeld: hola! | 21:05 |
| jd__ | we're in good shape, we just need to review at this point | 21:05 |
| jd__ | so review ! | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | are we expecting any dependency changes for h1? | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | (e.g. a new release of WSME before then) | 21:05 |
| jd__ | I don't think so | 21:05 |
| * eglynn_ just thinking about packaging up h1 | 21:05 | |
| eglynn_ | cool enough | 21:06 |
| jd__ | well, I seem to remember we upgraded our dep on WSME recently if that was the question | 21:06 |
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| jd__ | git diff 2013.1..master -- tools/pip-requires indicates you need wsme 0.5b2 instead of wsme 0.5b1 | 21:07 |
| eglynn_ | I thought there was a further pending issue around status code returning | 21:07 |
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| eglynn_ | e.g s/400/404/ for NotFound | 21:07 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: ah maybe, but I don't think it'll be in time for h1 | 21:07 |
| * sandywalsh has allocated every friday as full review days | 21:07 | |
| eglynn_ | jd__: grand so | 21:08 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: good news :) | 21:08 |
| jd__ | I'll rework my UDP patch tomorrow FWIW, the test failing is probably trivial so feel free to review even if Jenkins said -1 | 21:08 |
| jd__ | in the case you'd have nothing to do in the next hours :-) | 21:08 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: I'll take a look at the UDP patch tmrw also | 21:09 |
| jd__ | well, I think that's it for h1, next week you'll be able to flood again | 21:09 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: thanks, that'll be helpful :) | 21:09 |
| jd__ | also don't hesitate to change milestone on bp or bugs you got merged for h1 and that were not planned for h1 initially, if any | 21:10 |
| jd__ | shall we move on or anybody has a question about h1? | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | do we have any client stuff we need for h1? | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | or, I guess, are we tracking client features with the milestones? | 21:11 |
| jd__ | no we are not | 21:11 |
| jd__ | clients do not follow this schedule | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:11 |
| jd__ | so no pressure on this, though it's obviously good that work is done on it | 21:11 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:12 | |
| jd__ | out of topic | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | wow so fast even I can stay:) | 21:13 |
| jd__ | since we don't do this usually, I'd like to mention I've created a bp for ceilometerclient about supporting metadata query for APIv2, since I don't think we have this yet | 21:13 |
| jd__ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-ceilometerclient/+spec/metadata-query-v2 | 21:13 |
| mrutkows | wanted to call to everyone's attention a bp Gordon and I submitted today | 21:13 |
| jd__ | this is mainly as a tracker for terriyu's job | 21:14 |
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| mrutkows | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/support-standard-audit-formats | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | jd__, we can pass a generic query | 21:14 |
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| jd__ | asalkeld: but I guess we can still enhance our shell interface, right? | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/python-ceilometerclient/blob/master/ceilometerclient/v2/shell.py#L48 | 21:15 |
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| jd__ | asalkeld: hm. | 21:17 |
| jd__ | you're embarassing me | 21:17 |
| * dhellmann thinks jd__'s memory is getting as bad is mine | 21:17 | |
| asalkeld | all good | 21:18 |
| jd__ | I was happy I found a good idea to enhance ceilometerclient and now it seems mainly covered by this | 21:18 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: any other thing we could tackle on ceilometerclient? I'm trying get terriyu familiar with the API | 21:18 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, just a heads up, the hp guys should have a proposal for v2 API changes to expose Events coming your way soon. | 21:18 |
| jd__ | mrutkows: since you've code, I think I'll take a look at it, though I'm not sure I understand the purpose at first glance :) | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | jd__, I'll have a think (no coffee yet) | 21:18 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: thanks | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: sounds good, I'll keep an eye out for the review | 21:19 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, it'll likely be a bp spec (elaboration on the existing bp) | 21:20 |
| asalkeld | btw review client please | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: or that :-) | 21:20 |
| asalkeld | I have a bunch there | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: I'm going to try to catch up on reviews this evening/tomorrow morning (next 16 hrs or so) | 21:20 |
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| asalkeld | thanks | 21:21 |
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| * asalkeld heading off - wave | 21:22 | |
| jd__ | see ya | 21:22 |
| jd__ | .blueprint killer | 21:23 |
| jd__ | :) | 21:23 |
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| eglynn_ | do we have anything else to discuss? | 21:24 |
| mordred | do you guys need site-packages = True in python-ceilometerclient tox.ini ? | 21:24 |
| jd__ | ahah, I think we don't have the period support in ceilometerclient | 21:24 |
| jd__ | mordred: I don't think we should | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | mordred: probably not | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | that was probably copied from the tox.ini we had in the main repo at one point | 21:25 |
| mordred | cool. I'm going to send in a patch | 21:26 |
| asalkeld | mordred, no need | 21:26 |
| mordred | it's - well - breaking something with teh jinja crap | 21:27 |
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| jd__ | asalkeld: that was fast | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29876/ | 21:27 |
| mordred | asalkeld: whee! | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | just need to review people | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | approved | 21:28 |
| jd__ | too fast for me | 21:28 |
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| mordred | you guys are sexy | 21:29 |
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| dhellmann | /me thinks this is getting out of hand | 21:29 |
| mrutkows | \o/ | 21:29 |
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| * jd__ nods | 21:29 | |
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| jd__ | closing in a minute if nobody yells | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | early dinner! | 21:30 |
| eglynn_ | early to bed! ;) | 21:30 |
| sandywalsh | later kids! | 21:31 |
| mrutkows | Cheers | 21:31 |
| jd__ | see you guys, have fun | 21:32 |
| jd__ | and happy hacking! | 21:32 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 22 21:32:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-05-22-21.00.html | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-05-22-21.00.txt | 21:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-05-22-21.00.log.html | 21:32 |
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