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| -hobana.freenode.net- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 19:09 | |
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| devananda | i already have an equivalent DB model, a partially functinoal API server, and am working on skeletons of classes for dynamically loading control modules | 19:09 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:10 |
| fungi | okay, found a freenode server which wasn't on the other side of the split from everyone in here | 19:10 |
| devananda | yay! | 19:10 |
| fungi | happy meeting | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | ty fungi | 19:10 |
| fungi | my pleasure | 19:10 |
| harlowja | hey | 19:10 |
| devananda | any other comments on the split at this point, or shall we move on to bugs? | 19:11 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=baremetal | 19:11 |
| devananda | lifeless and co. did a ton of amazing work last week with baremetal / tripleo | 19:11 |
| devananda | so there's a bunch of new bugs! | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:12 |
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| devananda | any bugs in particular folks want to bring up? | 19:13 |
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| echohead_ | there was some discussion about requirements for repro steps in baremetal bug reports. | 19:13 |
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| echohead_ | i expect this will be more of a problem for baremetal than other openstack services due to heterogoneous hardware/power mgmt/etc. | 19:14 |
| devananda | this also touches on testing of baremetal | 19:15 |
| clarkb | devananda: if it isn't already a bug the baremetal DB migration tests should switch to using the normal schema rather than the one we special cased for them | 19:15 |
| devananda | boris-42: ^ | 19:15 |
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| devananda | clarkb: thanks for pointing that out. i don't think a bug is open for that yet | 19:16 |
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| devananda | echohead_: since it isn't likely that everyone deploying baremetal/ironic is going to donate some resources to -infra to test on | 19:16 |
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| devananda | echohead_: what do you think a more reasonable approach to "help us figure out how it broke so we can help fix it" is? | 19:17 |
| echohead_ | good question. | 19:17 |
| echohead_ | one suggestion would be to write a tool that grabs all relevant ironic/dnsmasq/... log files and tarballs them for easy attachment to a bug report. | 19:18 |
| echohead_ | if the person trying to repro doesn't have the hardware that produced a hardware-specific bug report, there's not much we can do about that. | 19:18 |
| penick | Makes sense. | 19:19 |
| devananda | we would also need reports from the deployment agent | 19:19 |
| devananda | right now that agent is ... less than pretty... but enabling log collection from it in Ironic should be feasible | 19:19 |
| echohead_ | yes, would be great to allow the agent to post arbitrary log information back to the service. | 19:20 |
| devananda | echohead_: want to write that up as a BP for ironic? :) | 19:20 |
| echohead_ | sure. will do. | 19:20 |
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| devananda | thanks | 19:21 |
| penick | We have a concept of an intercom in our bare metal provisioning.. Where if the imaging fails for whatever reason that's passed back via the intercom (REST query) and displayed on our status UI | 19:21 |
| penick | Perhaps ironic could do the same? adding the ability to forward that on to a bug would be handy | 19:21 |
| devananda | penick: the plan for ironic is to have an internal API between the manager and the deployment agent | 19:21 |
| devananda | so if the deployment agent runs into a problem, assuming that problem doesn't take down the node or break networking, it could pass it back to the mgr | 19:22 |
| devananda | which could record it, fwd it elsewhere, etc | 19:22 |
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| penick | perfect | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | I'm slow, so currently we have the makings of the deployment agent and right now the manager is but a dream? | 19:24 |
| devananda | there is a deployment agent that gets baked in via diskimage-builder/bin/ramdisk-image-create | 19:25 |
| devananda | that nova-baremetal knows how to talk to | 19:25 |
| devananda | however | 19:25 |
| devananda | it's very crude, IMNSHO | 19:25 |
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| devananda | eg, open socket. send "START". close socket. | 19:25 |
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| anteaya | so we have a deployment agent that needs to be extracted? | 19:26 |
| devananda | i plan to rewrite it either as a RESTful API, or using AMQP | 19:26 |
| anteaya | and a manager that is but a dream? | 19:26 |
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| devananda | similarly, nova-compute *was* the manager | 19:26 |
| devananda | in Ironic, i'm creating a new manager | 19:26 |
| devananda | that isn't so closely tied to all the things in /nova/virt/disk | 19:26 |
| devananda | and elsewhere | 19:26 |
| anteaya | ah ha | 19:27 |
| anteaya | what are the pros and cons for REST vs AMQP? | 19:27 |
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| devananda | they're different techniques. my off the cuff answer (and anyone, please jump in) is | 19:28 |
| devananda | REST is generally public facing, client-to-service, request-response | 19:28 |
| devananda | AMQP is used internally service-to-service, good for async things, 1-to-many messages, pub/sub, and so on. also, it can make french fries. | 19:29 |
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| anteaya | mmmm fries | 19:30 |
| devananda | so the deploy agent should probably be AMQP, since i cant think of any reason for it to be client-facing | 19:30 |
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| devananda | at this point, i think we sidetracked from bugs pretty substantially :) | 19:30 |
| anteaya | well you have illustrated your thoughts and invited someone to jump in | 19:30 |
| anteaya | sorry yes we have | 19:30 |
| anteaya | my bad | 19:30 |
| devananda | np | 19:31 |
| harlowja | french fries! | 19:31 |
| devananda | let's just open it up for any discussion in the time we have left :) | 19:31 |
| harlowja | devananda if u need any cloud-init work, or bounce ideas, i'm the secondary commiter there, along with smoser , here to help! | 19:31 |
| anteaya | if anyone cares, I am working on a bug and have never spent much time with testr before so I am grappling with that and making some progress | 19:32 |
| harlowja | especially around cfg-driv stuff | 19:32 |
| devananda | harlowja: great! see the "disable file injection" thread on -dev? want to chime in with thoughts on config-drive? :) | 19:32 |
| echohead_ | any thoughts on how to handle bug fixes to baremetal in nova, given the impending rewrite? e.g. will backports to nova be required for anything? | 19:32 |
| devananda | anteaya: we definitely care! and appreciate it! the learning curve is a bit steep at first, but it gets easier :) | 19:33 |
| anteaya | thanks, I keep hearing that, and then move to a tough project | 19:33 |
| anteaya | that is my fault | 19:33 |
| anteaya | s/tough/tougher | 19:33 |
| devananda | echohead_: TC would prefer for baremetal driver to be in maintenace mode (ie, fix bugs) to the extent possible | 19:33 |
| harlowja | devananda will do, looked at pieces of it, will exaimine in more depth | 19:33 |
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| devananda | echohead_: i think the Ironic code is going to end up being different enough that bugs in one don't necessarily apply to the other -- with some exceptions | 19:34 |
| devananda | echohead_: eg, the IPMI driver was a very straight forward port. so bugs in that will apply to both | 19:34 |
| echohead_ | devananda: that was my concern, so we may be in 2-different-fixes per bug mode for a while. | 19:34 |
| echohead_ | or hopefully many of the bugs will go away in the ironic rewrite. | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | echohead_: +1 | 19:35 |
| devananda | exactly | 19:36 |
| devananda | i'm sure i'll add some new ones ... | 19:36 |
| devananda | but i'm trying to engineer around some of the problems we've been having | 19:36 |
| echohead_ | cool. | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | is that the meeting? | 19:38 |
| devananda | if no one else has topics to bring up, we can call it early | 19:39 |
| enterprisedc | Thanks for all your efforts Devananda! | 19:40 |
| devananda | welcome! | 19:41 |
| devananda | so, i'd #endmeeting | 19:41 |
| devananda | but the bot wasn't here when we started, soooo .... | 19:41 |
| devananda | thanks all! | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | :) ty devananda ! | 19:42 |
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| echohead_ | tripleo meeting? | 20:01 |
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| * Ng waves | 20:02 | |
| devananda | mordred: around? | 20:02 |
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| devananda | hmm, well, i guess i'll start it | 20:03 |
| devananda | #startmeeting tripleo | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 13 20:03:53 2013 UTC. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 20:03 |
| devananda | #topic bugs | 20:04 |
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| devananda | i'm'a just follow the agenda lifeless posted on the wiki, and let others do a lot of the talking hopefully :) | 20:04 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 20:04 |
| devananda | who all is here, anyway? | 20:04 |
| echohead_ | \o | 20:04 |
| Ng | .o/ | 20:04 |
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| cody-somerville | \o_ | 20:05 |
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| devananda | so, bugs..... | 20:06 |
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| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=baremetal | 20:06 |
| devananda | and | 20:06 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs | 20:06 |
| devananda | there's lots of them! | 20:06 |
| echohead_ | a productive week. :) | 20:07 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 20:07 |
| devananda | echohead_: you're going to fix all the bugs, right? :) | 20:07 |
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| Ng | sweet | 20:07 |
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| * echohead_ grabs his flyswatter to squash all the bugs | 20:07 | |
| devananda | anyone want to bring up specific bugs to talk about? | 20:08 |
| devananda | i haven't looked through them all yet, but a lot are marked high or critical, so i am imagining there are some things to discuss :) | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | seems we have some "server gets wedged" bugs that are probably the most serious | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | Heat does not deal well at all with the ERROR state or with deleted servers. | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | working on that one after we get heat into boot-stack entirely. | 20:09 |
| Ng | I only had one comment, which was on the text mode console kernel options one - I don't think it's going to be fixed upstream. lifeless' comments suggest that we should set it ourselves in the base element. I am going to do that unless objections arise | 20:09 |
| echohead_ | agreed about the 'server gets wedged' bug(s) being the most urgent atm. | 20:10 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1178112 | 20:10 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178112 in tripleo "baremetal kernel boot options make console inaccessible on ILO environments" [Critical,Triaged] | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | +1, though we should all go +1 the bug as well | 20:10 |
| devananda | Ng: ++ to fixing it | 20:11 |
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| devananda | Ng: in testing taht bug, what are you using to get a console? | 20:12 |
| devananda | Ng: nova commands or something else? | 20:12 |
| devananda | SpamapS: any particular "server gets wedged" bugs you want to point out? | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | devananda: no, I'm mostly referencing things overheard | 20:13 |
| Ng | devananda: so actually the easiest way to test it I've found so far, is to run an image with kvm -curses. Can't show the console in a terminal if it's graphical, however, I will test in a nova to make sure it doesn't interfere with the console log getting, but I don't think it should do, that will still be specified as the last console= on the commandline and so win upstart's heart | 20:13 |
| echohead_ | devananda: in the test rack, ~20% of nova boots fail. i'm not sure that it has been narrowed down enough yet to produce a valuable bug report. | 20:14 |
| echohead_ | not clear yet if it is isolated to specific machines, or what. | 20:14 |
| devananda | Ng: gotcha. in theory, baremetal driver has some support for textconsole... i'd be interested to know if that actually works :) | 20:14 |
| cody-somerville | To help split up the work, can I suggest folks who are knowledgeable about the bug and/or nova make sure there is enough information in each bug to make them actionable? | 20:14 |
| devananda | cody-somerville: ++ | 20:14 |
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| devananda | also, if you're going to work on a bug, please assign it to yourself (shoudl go without saying... :) ) | 20:15 |
| Ng | devananda: huh, ok, I'll have a look at that too | 20:15 |
| anteaya | don't know if this is a good idea or not, but I am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1178378 and don't have enough experience to really get my head around it, if someone was willing to pair with me to get it done, I think I would learn a lot from that | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178378 in tripleo "confused baremetal instance thinks its off, is clearly operational" [Critical,Triaged] | 20:15 |
| devananda | echohead_: I have heard similar numbers from others using similar hardware. | 20:16 |
| echohead_ | interesting | 20:16 |
| anteaya | failing that I will keep plugging away | 20:16 |
| devananda | echohead_: my inclination is to guess that it's 20% of machines are bad -- or just have the wrong info | 20:16 |
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| echohead_ | i think we should have an action item to see if that is the case, and if so, to un-enroll the problematic machines. | 20:16 |
| devananda | #action echohead_ to determine if test rack failures are machine specific | 20:17 |
| devananda | anteaya: I volunteer NobodyCam to help with that :) (assuming he doesn't mind) | 20:18 |
| anteaya | yay NobodyCam | 20:18 |
| anteaya | does that work for you? | 20:18 |
| * NobodyCam looks at bug | 20:18 | |
| anteaya | it would cut down on my aimless flailing | 20:18 |
| cody-somerville | Is the 30% fail to boot thing different from lp #1178586? | 20:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178586 in nova "scheduling failures leave baremetal instances stuck in BUILDING" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178586 | 20:18 |
| cody-somerville | *20% | 20:18 |
| anteaya | NobodyCam: I planted a flag here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28817/ | 20:19 |
| anteaya | not much to it, but a beginning | 20:19 |
| devananda | cody-somerville: i think that's a case where the bug doesn't have enough info for me to know what it is | 20:19 |
| cody-somerville | lp #1178919 is also related if not the same bug | 20:19 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178919 in tripleo "instances get stuck in 'BUILDING' sometimes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178919 | 20:19 |
| echohead_ | cody-somerville: the failures look a bit different, in that they are stuck in 'spawning', as opposed to 'scheduling', as in the bug. | 20:20 |
| cody-somerville | echohead_: like "| 0a171cbe-0f3c-40d5-ae8d-606f1dde41ce | test-0a171cbe-0f3c-40d5-ae8d-606f1dde41ce | BUILD | spawning | NOSTATE | | "? | 20:20 |
| echohead_ | yep | 20:21 |
| devananda | yea, 1178919 and 1178586 appear to be the same | 20:21 |
| devananda | marked as sup | 20:22 |
| devananda | dup | 20:22 |
| cody-somerville | devananda: Just noticed that one says it's stuck in spawning and the other in scheduling. | 20:22 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: anteaya and I will look into whats up | 20:22 |
| anteaya | thanks NobodyCam | 20:22 |
| devananda | cody-somerville: gah, thanks | 20:23 |
| cody-somerville | devananda: may be the same problem (booting too many things at once maybe?) or slightly different - I see lifeless speculates that the one stuck in scheduling might not be bm related. | 20:23 |
| devananda | that isn't a stuck-in-scheduling issue | 20:23 |
| devananda | the scheduler gave up after trying 3 times unsuccessfully | 20:23 |
| devananda | each attempt tried to perform a deploy | 20:24 |
| devananda | failed | 20:24 |
| devananda | and was deleted by the scheduler | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | What about 'stuck in deleting' ? | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | I have that right now. :-P | 20:24 |
| devananda | hah | 20:25 |
| echohead_ | SpamapS: lifeless had success with cleanup stuck 'deleting' instances manually. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | ugh | 20:25 |
| devananda | ok, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5650528/ shows the compute log for the scheduling failure | 20:26 |
| * SpamapS unfortunately has conflicting things now and so will just be lurking | 20:26 | |
| devananda | it is different indeed. the spawn failure doesn't look like it ever powered on. the schedule failure powered on then failed in deploy | 20:28 |
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| devananda | huh? | 20:28 |
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| anteaya | there goes the bot I do believe | 20:28 |
| devananda | i was about to say, enough with bugs let's move on | 20:29 |
| NobodyCam | grrr | 20:29 |
| devananda | #topic test rack | 20:29 |
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| devananda | yay! bot's still alive | 20:29 |
| cody-somerville | bot is good, just chanserv rejoined | 20:29 |
| anteaya | cool | 20:29 |
| cody-somerville | or came up | 20:29 |
| anteaya | good bot | 20:29 |
| echohead_ | test rack is coming along nicely, i expect heat to be running there by eod, hopefully. | 20:29 |
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| echohead_ | hopefully the nova-boot failures are specific to certain boxes, and can be removed. | 20:30 |
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| devananda | echohead_: you needed me to lok at some heat / t-i-e reviews, yes? | 20:32 |
| echohead_ | devananda: yes, that would be good. i will be applying those pending changes on the test rack to bring up heat. | 20:32 |
| devananda | #action devananda to review t-i-e heat changes | 20:32 |
| devananda | k, will do | 20:32 |
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| devananda | anything else to discuss on the rack? | 20:33 |
| echohead_ | seems like getting the openstack service heat templates working is the next thing in the critical path, which can proceed in parallel in a virtual-bm environment. | 20:33 |
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| echohead_ | also, we will need a first-boot script to write the /etc/network/interfaces appropriately for openstack nodes on the machines. | 20:33 |
| devananda | echohead_: ah, is that related to the baremetal-always-does-file-injection bug? | 20:34 |
| devananda | or put another way, if bm didn't do file injection, would you still need to write that script? | 20:34 |
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| echohead_ | devananda: i think we would still need it even without the bug. | 20:34 |
| echohead_ | because we must configure vlan interfaces, etc. | 20:34 |
| devananda | i see | 20:35 |
| devananda | then i won't prioritize fixing _that_ bug | 20:35 |
| echohead_ | :) | 20:35 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 20:35 |
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| dkehn | fyi wrapping up the quantum PXE changes | 20:36 |
| devananda | awesome | 20:36 |
| dkehn | for review beod | 20:36 |
| dkehn | and the quantum client | 20:36 |
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| dkehn | will go next to the nova changes to talk to it | 20:37 |
| devananda | please drop links in #tripleo for that when it's up | 20:37 |
| dkehn | yes sir | 20:37 |
| devananda | i can help with the nova changes | 20:37 |
| devananda | once i see what it has to talk to | 20:37 |
| dkehn | will be going silent for a few days at the end of the month | 20:37 |
| dkehn | transistion to Europe | 20:38 |
| devananda | sounds fun! | 20:38 |
| dkehn | fingers crossed | 20:38 |
| anteaya | dkehn: safe travels | 20:38 |
| dkehn | tx | 20:38 |
| dkehn | thx | 20:38 |
| devananda | i've been mostly occupied with lots and lots of hacking on Ironic | 20:39 |
| devananda | for the last week and all weekend | 20:39 |
| devananda | and will probably continue to be so consumed :) | 20:39 |
| dkehn | gotta love the name, quantuim is still battling with legal | 20:39 |
| dkehn | over a name | 20:39 |
| devananda | yea :( | 20:39 |
| devananda | i'm actually still waiting on foundation to sign off on "Ironic" | 20:39 |
| devananda | but my own research says it's not TMd in the US | 20:40 |
| echohead_ | Alanis Morrisette begs to differ. | 20:40 |
| echohead_ | oh wait, that's canada. | 20:40 |
| devananda | if folks need me for things, don't hesitate to poke (not that anyone has hesitated anyway, just sayin) | 20:40 |
| anteaya | do not invoke that name | 20:40 |
| devananda | echohead_: i think the song title is "isn't it ironic" :) | 20:41 |
| anteaya | no no no | 20:41 |
| anteaya | it shall not be said | 20:41 |
| devananda | :P | 20:41 |
| echohead_ | devananda: ok, guess we're clear then :) | 20:41 |
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| devananda | any other topics? | 20:42 |
| devananda | or shall we wrap up early again? | 20:42 |
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| cody-somerville | :) | 20:42 |
| dkehn | when I logged into IRC tripleo is said meeting at 2000 UTC, which time is ti | 20:42 |
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| dkehn | nevermind | 20:42 |
| devananda | dkehn: :) | 20:43 |
| devananda | well, thanks all! | 20:43 |
| dkehn | devananda, so that is the real time? | 20:43 |
| anteaya | great chairing devananda | 20:43 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 13 20:43:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-05-13-20.03.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-05-13-20.03.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-05-13-20.03.log.html | 20:43 |
| devananda | dkehn: see the meetbot timestamp ^ :) | 20:43 |
| dkehn | k | 20:44 |
| devananda | dkehn: also http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130506T2000 | 20:44 |
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| mestery | The "Meeting who's name we shall not speak" is about to begin. :) | 20:58 |
| mestery | Can you tell I've been reading Harry Potter to my daughter lately? ;) | 20:58 |
| nati_ueno | haha | 20:59 |
| enikanorov | lol | 20:59 |
| sc68cal | good stuff. | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | haha | 20:59 |
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| sc68cal | btw I'm Sean Collins, I'm available for QoS questions | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: Quantemort? | 21:00 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Heh, I like that one! | 21:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 21:00 |
| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Hi all! | 21:01 |
| emagana | hi folks! | 21:02 |
| dkehn | hey | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | amotoki, arosen, rkukura, danwent, garyk, marun, gongysh around? | 21:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:02 |
| danwent | hi | 21:02 |
| marun | hi | 21:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:02 |
| arosen | hi | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | hi.. let's get started | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 13 21:02:36 2013 UTC. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| armax | hello | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Annoucements | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #info Mellanox Plugin merged earlier today. | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | That brings us up to 12 plugins which is cool | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:04 |
| rkukura | I'm hoping to take us back down to 10 plugins | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: I'm looking forward to that | 21:04 |
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| garyk | hi | 21:05 |
| enikanorov | hi garyk | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | Havana-1 is two weeks away. We're looking ok, but do have several blueprints in review. | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | Any questions or additions to the agenda before we run through the reports? | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | Right now all of our High priority bugs have fixes in for Havana. If there are any bugs graded too low, let us know. | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | We've fixed 112 bugs for H1. | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | That leaves us with 108 that are open. If the sub team leads have a some time, take a look through your topic make sure the open bugs are still relevant (we do have a few old ones). | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | #topic API | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: hi | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | hello people | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | blueprints | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | good progress made on ext-gw-modes (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25525/) | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | amotoki is helping with reviews | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | the focus of the blueprint was restricted to SNAT only. It did not make sense to set enable_dnat on ext gw to control floating IPs | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | authZ decoupling - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28249/ | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | good progress here too - an apparently simple advice turned into a nightmare which made the patch more extensive | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | I am confident to merge this patch before the H-1 deadline | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | but make-authz-orthogonal will complete in H-2 | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain | Question about the gw modes…. the policy framework will now support those that do not want to enable this feature? | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | the patch for the policy framework is running tox -epy27 on my other screen | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | will be pushed soon (if the tests pass!) | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | great | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | A reviewer (alex xu) noticed that we're losing bw compatibility with policy.json | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | and that's not ok. | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | we need to treat it as any other conf file. | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | So I will push in the following days a patch for ensuring the old policy work, even if in deprecated mode. | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | other blueprints: | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | that's a good catch | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain:yes, we took for granted that perhaps people never bothered to change that file | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | but we cannot know | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | other blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/l3-router-port-relationship | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: are we still on target for H-1? | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | yes.. I've had another dev tracking down a bug that we found this mornign | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | cool | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | other blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/api-core-for-services | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | pushed out to H-2 | 21:17 |
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| salv-orlando | however, enikanorov gave us a patch which will be shortly merged as part of this blueprint | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | this patch allows for having the same plugin running several services | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | which is the short term need | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | right | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | however all the short term need was because of: | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-l3-routing-plugin | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | for which I haven't heard in a while, and I don't know if we should untarget | 21:18 |
| enikanorov | i guess bigswitch has plans for this feature as well | 21:18 |
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| enikanorov | (but that's just a guess) | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov: sure (just thinking of what should happen in H-1) | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to followup on L3 plugin | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | thanks PTL | 21:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: we do think that work is useful/required | 21:19 |
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| salv-orlando | that is all from the API world. Thanks for your patience. | 21:19 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: the L3 blueprint is being worked on by Bob at the moment. | 21:19 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I'll get you an update this week on that. | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: thanks. | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | mestery: Thanks | 21:20 |
| mestery | markmcclain salv-orlando: sure, np! | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: Thanks for the update | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | #topic VPNaaS | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VPNaaS (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:21 | |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: hi | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | ok | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | We agreed ipsec api (still we have minor discussion) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/vpnaas-python-apis | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | One minor discussion is local_subnet o local_cidr | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | local_subnet vs local_cidr | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | We got comment that local_subnet is familiar word for VPN admins | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: local_subnet/peer_subnet is ok for you? | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | my only concern is local_subnet is an overload term | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: OK we can also discuss with this in today's meeting (I'll report this later) | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: probably has some thoughts on this too | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | usually when we name something _subnet it's the id to a subnet resource object | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I have same opinion | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | let's discuss | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | Ok the VPNasS meets in 2.5 hours? | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | We agreed first implementation vpn architecture | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | Discussion Note https://docs.google.com/a/ntti3.com/presentation/d/1J7k1eI13-3pQVwp5XgZDWPfzUvuSqczRdK0lEZKQOKk/edit#slide=id.p | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | Next meeting is 5/13 PST 5:00 PM on #openstack-meetings | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: yep | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | that's all from VPN team | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | Thanks for the update | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | any questions for the VPN team? | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | #topic Security Groups/Firewalling | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Groups/Firewalling (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:25 | |
| arosen | Hi, nothing new to really report. There is one patch on review that fixes a security group bug | 21:26 |
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| nati_ueno | IMO, the patch is OK for go | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | I'll take another look at it after the meeting | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27792/ | 21:26 |
| arosen | cool thanks | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: Update on FWaaS? | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the FWaaS front, I pushed out an "early" patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29004/ | 21:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is WIP, so don't crucify me on the unit tests :-) | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | working on it | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | hehe | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am trying to do this in a way that this will satisfy our reference implementation | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with not having to create any additional objects beyond those absolutely needed | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i don't have the dynamic/group ip objects for ip addresses in here yet | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that will come in subsequent iterations | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least want to get an end-to-end flow going first | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with ip tables driver et al | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | sounds like a good approach | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | like before, Rajesh M from Dell working on the driver side of things | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Rajesh here? | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had some meetings last week | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will document the ref impl design as well | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | maybe rajesh is not around | 21:30 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: Do you have fw-agent ? | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was just asking if there were questions :-) | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: the current plan is to do something similar to what you did with security groups and l2 agent | 21:31 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: so you are going to update l2 agent? | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will have the l3 agent extend a base implementation | 21:31 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: or update l3-agent? | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so no new fw_agent | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah thats right | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | l3 agent | 21:32 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: Interesting. so fw support is hard coded in l3-agent? | 21:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | no | 21:32 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: or we have some driver stuff ? | 21:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is just for the reference implementation | 21:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the driver model is always available | 21:33 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: I'm wondering l3-agent will dynamically loading service drivers | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hmmm…i am not sure i have heard of that approach, but we can discuss | 21:33 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: OK talk in offline | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the first iteration, it would be good to keep this simple | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and see it work | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | perfect.. offline will document it for everyone else | 21:34 |
| nati_ueno | may be mailing list is best | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sure | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: for this type of discussion yes | 21:35 |
| nati_ueno | ok thanks | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for the update. The progress is looking good. | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, thanks | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | I skipped over Nova by accident | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova Integration | 21:36 |
| garyk | heh | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova Integration (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:36 | |
| garyk | onmigration path not much progress has ben made | 21:36 |
| garyk | there is a bug though - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1160442 | 21:36 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1160442 in quantum "when boot many vms with quantum, nova sometimes allocates two quantum ports rather than one" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:36 |
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| garyk | i have managed to reproduce on a few occaisions. trying to debug but with debug info the problem does not reproduce :( | 21:36 |
| garyk | plan to invest more time next week on migration path. sorry | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | Yeah the Nova bug is interesting | 21:38 |
| garyk | i think it happens when one host fails and it is resceduled on another | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | danwent: think you could help narrow down the steps to reproduce? | 21:39 |
| danwent | markmcclain: i have never actually seen this | 21:39 |
| danwent | SumitNaiksatam said he has seen it. | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | you filed the bug :p | 21:39 |
| danwent | i just triaged a bug coming from someone else | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | I tried for a few days to reproduce it with no luck | 21:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, several times | 21:39 |
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| danwent | i think this is what launchpad does when someone converts a question to a bug | 21:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but unfortunately I did not get any insight from debugging | 21:40 |
| danwent | see: https://answers.launchpad.net/quantum/+question/225158 | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | danwent: ah.. didn't realize it started on Answers | 21:40 |
| danwent | yeah, LP does a shitty job of making that easy to find out | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | Ok any other Nova Integration related questions? | 21:41 |
| amotoki | we need to resume https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1112912 to handle Hybrid mode with generic VIF driver. | 21:41 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1112912 in quantum "get_firewall_required should use VIF parameter from quantum" [High,In progress] | 21:41 |
| amotoki | nati_ueno and I were working on it, but the work is stopped now. | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | ah that's mine | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | sorry, and thank for your pointing it | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | Do you all have time to resume the work? | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | I'll work on it on this week | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: yes | 21:42 |
| amotoki | nati_ueno: sounds nice. | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: thanks | 21:43 |
| nati_ueno | restored https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21946/ | 21:43 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: could you remove -2? | 21:43 |
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| danwent | nati_ueno: sure | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | #topic LBaaS | 21:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LBaaS (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:44 | |
| enikanorov | hi | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | The LBaaS sub-team will meeting May 16th at 1400 UTC | 21:44 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: done | 21:44 |
| avishayb | hi | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: thanks! | 21:44 |
| enikanorov | we have 3 patches for lbaas on review | 21:44 |
| enikanorov | one is moving files, i planned to do this in two patches | 21:45 |
| enikanorov | the first one is on review now, the second show rename agent_loadbalancer to loadbalancer and move services one level up | 21:45 |
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| enikanorov | these are wishlist features that are not critical | 21:46 |
| enikanorov | we have other two patches implementing "multivendor support" | 21:46 |
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| enikanorov | i think we'll discuss them in detail on lbaas meeting | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. that's on the agenda | 21:47 |
| enikanorov | seems to be all from lbaas | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | is the core comfortable with moving db files into the same directory with the service that needs it? | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28257/ | 21:48 |
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| markmcclain | This is review enikanorov mentioned about moving files around | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | My opinion was that db is the db regardless of the service, but I found myself to be a minority. So I won't complain anymore, | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | counter argument is that lb people will be able to find all stuff in one place | 21:49 |
| marun | ? | 21:49 |
| enikanorov | db stuff is not in one place even now | 21:49 |
| enikanorov | db logic resides in lots of files actually | 21:50 |
| marun | so centralize it | 21:50 |
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| marun | I vote with salv-orlando | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | I think this is a discussion for gerrit | 21:50 |
| garyk | salv-orlando: i also vote with you on this one | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: all of the vendor neutral db code is in the same directory | 21:50 |
| enikanorov | marun: take a look at the proposal https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/ServiceDirectoryStructure | 21:50 |
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| garyk | salv-orlando: i think that we should also try and work to abstract the db layer | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: agreed.. I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the review | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | Ok.. running low on time | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | #topic Stable | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:51 | |
| markmcclain | 2013.1.1 was release last Thursday correct? | 21:52 |
| lifeless | 8 | 21:52 |
| garyk | yes, that is correct | 21:52 |
| garyk | there are a few additional stable reviews. but moving nicely | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. we've been getting a good number of reviews on the changes which is good | 21:53 |
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| garyk | yup. | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | #topic Testing | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:53 | |
| garyk | i am tested every day | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:53 |
| nati_ueno | ha ha | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: any news from the Tempest changes that the Networking team needs to know? | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | marun: any updates on your work? | 21:54 |
| marun | I made progress last week on the api test refactor. | 21:54 |
| marun | I have 10 network tests that can be run against a plugin api or the rest api. | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | marun: cool | 21:55 |
| mlavalle | markmcclain: working through the issues in the quantum full jenkins gate | 21:55 |
| mlavalle | the issues are on test cases written for Nova that test network | 21:55 |
| mlavalle | will clean them one by one | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: Thanks for updating us | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | #topic Horizon | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki: Looks like there is only 1 Networking related blueprint | 21:57 |
| amotoki | one registered one is secgroup. | 21:57 |
| amotoki | I planned to register BP about quota support and extension-aware feature enabling. | 21:57 |
| amotoki | I just started to study how to implement for H-2 this week. | 21:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | have also registered for FWaaS | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but thats not targeted for H1 | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: cool… I only looked at H1 since that is around the corner | 21:58 |
| amotoki | SumitNaiksatam: thanks. H-2 is best but early H-3 is np. | 21:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sure | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | Any other Horizon related items? | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ML2 (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:59 | |
| rkukura | need to move this up from the end of the agenda! | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20105/ | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | I place it higher next week | 22:00 |
| rkukura | still expecting to make H-1 | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | When do you expect to remove the WIP status? | 22:00 |
| rkukura | comments so far on WIP patch have been incorporated/answered | 22:00 |
| rkukura | main thing needed now is updating linuxbridge RPC to match openvswitch and hyperv | 22:01 |
| rkukura | this is addressed in VXLAN implementation for linuxbrudge | 22:01 |
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| markmcclain | right and updating in way that compatible | 22:01 |
| rkukura | but RPC version numbers also need to match between the agents, so looking at how to maintain compability | 22:01 |
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| safchain__ | I just wanted to introduce myself; my name is Sylvain Afchain, I recently joined the Openstack team at eNovance | 22:05 |
| markmcclain | safchain__: welcome! | 22:06 |
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| safchain__ | I'm going to start get more involved on Openstack/Quantum | 22:06 |
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| emagana | safchain__: welcome to the team!!! | 22:06 |
| safchain__ | markmcclain: thx :) | 22:06 |
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| sc68cal | Figure I'll do the same - Sean Collins here -thanks everyone for their patients on my QoS API DB review. Still getting the hang of Gerrit/ git review switches :) | 22:07 |
| sc68cal | *patience | 22:07 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: Welcome! Yeah gerrit does take a bit of getting used to at first. | 22:08 |
| markmcclain | Ok.. The VPNaaS SubTeam meets in 2 hours and the LBaaS Sub tesm meetings Thursday at 1400 UTC | 22:08 |
| sc68cal | mostly I keep clearing the WIP bit when I do an amend :) | 22:09 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: yeah that bit it not sticky | 22:10 |
| markmcclain | Talk to everyone on the mailing list/IRC | 22:10 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 13 22:10:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-05-13-21.02.html | 22:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-05-13-21.02.txt | 22:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-05-13-21.02.log.html | 22:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 22:10 |
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