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| fifieldt_ | hi WriterDi_, ladquin, annegentle, EmilienM! | 12:57 |
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| ladquin | hi, fifieldt! | 12:57 |
| annegentle | hey! fifieldt_! | 12:57 |
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| fifieldt_ | hihi, long time no chat :) | 12:58 |
| * annegentle reviews action items and doesn't think she did one :) | 12:58 | |
| koolhead11 | hi all | 12:58 |
| fifieldt_ | yo ! | 12:59 |
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| Daisy | hello | 12:59 |
| Daisy | all of us are on time today | 12:59 |
| annegentle | ok hopefully meeting bot is working today | 12:59 |
| writerDiane | good morning | 12:59 |
| annegentle | heh for me it's because it's an hour later and my kids are out of the house :) | 12:59 |
| fifieldt_ | I think the error last time was the wrong meeting name or something | 13:00 |
| annegentle | nah the bot was borked | 13:00 |
| fifieldt_ | try: #startmeeting docwebteam | 13:00 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docwebteam | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 13:00:44 2013 UTC. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| fifieldt_ | rather than #startmeeting Doc Team | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| fifieldt_ | oh, ok | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docwebteam' | 13:00 |
| fifieldt_ | my bad | 13:00 |
| annegentle | no worries :) | 13:00 |
| annegentle | I guess I do what I'm told! | 13:01 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: :P | 13:01 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:01 | |
| annegentle | action: fifieldt_ send a note to discuss grizzly priorities on the OpenStack mailing list | 13:01 |
| annegentle | That's done | 13:01 |
| fifieldt_ | done | 13:01 |
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| annegentle | action: annegentle to ask Doc Tool team about Crown Quarto PDF output | 13:01 |
| fifieldt_ | unfortunately, not a reply, and little response in the bug assignment department | 13:01 |
| annegentle | Yeah I noticed that... | 13:02 |
| annegentle | Also done, and we can output Crown Quarto to our PDF | 13:02 |
| fifieldt_ | yay | 13:02 |
| annegentle | but they're already using DocImpact for Havana. sigh. :) | 13:02 |
| annegentle | action: annegentle to send a call to action to help with grizzly doc bugs | 13:02 |
| annegentle | So, I think I did that? But maybe to the -doc list? | 13:02 |
| annegentle | or? | 13:02 |
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| annegentle | I have Grizzly doc bugs as an entire topic of its own so we can talk more then | 13:03 |
| fifieldt_ | you did mention it in your -doc newsletter | 13:03 |
| annegentle | one more action | 13:03 |
| fifieldt_ | cool | 13:03 |
| annegentle | action annegentle to add info about pom.xml change for 1.7.1 to wiki | 13:03 |
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| annegentle | So this is halfway done, definitely need more info. | 13:03 |
| annegentle | I'm going to reassign it to me :) | 13:03 |
| fifieldt_ | got a link? | 13:03 |
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| annegentle | #action annegentle to add more info about 1.7.2 to the HowTo wiki page | 13:04 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: what I did so far was to update the Conventions page about image markup | 13:04 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Conventions#Embedding_images | 13:04 |
| fifieldt_ | ta | 13:04 |
| annegentle | but there's more to it than that | 13:04 |
| annegentle | there's pom.xml stuff too | 13:04 |
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| annegentle | it's not a huge task though, I'll get to it | 13:05 |
| annegentle | ok, I think that's it | 13:05 |
| annegentle | for actions | 13:05 |
| annegentle | now! Onward! To Grizzly! | 13:05 |
| annegentle | #topic Grizzly release | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly release (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:05 | |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/grizzly | 13:05 |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+milestone/grizzly | 13:05 |
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| annegentle | I have to say I'm having a tough time knowing when to call done done. | 13:05 |
| fifieldt_ | understandable | 13:06 |
| annegentle | My sense is that the majority are quantum and swift deficits. Tom, what's your sense of it? (fifieldt_) | 13:06 |
| annegentle | And, I don't know if the install docs are releasable when the packages aren't completed? Thoughts? | 13:07 |
| fifieldt_ | I'm a big believer in testing | 13:07 |
| fifieldt_ | so right now those bugs are mostly derived from DocImpact | 13:07 |
| annegentle | The broken script links are certainly getting comments in the docs :) | 13:07 |
| fifieldt_ | I think once someone has run through the install docs and verified they work | 13:07 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: yeah I agree with testing the install docs. | 13:07 |
| fifieldt_ | then that's release goodness | 13:07 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: that install using nova-network is not there anymore :( | 13:07 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: where's there? | 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | i was thinking to re-test and modify it | 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | appendixB | 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | one | 13:08 |
| fifieldt_ | for the 'reference' guide, that's something that can go once there are no obvious errors/pitfalls left - i.e. there';s only new features left to add | 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | ubuntu installation with openstack & we had a APPENDIXB | 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | which covered single machine deployment with nova-network | 13:09 |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1133699 | 13:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1133699 in openstack-manuals "grizzly: Update Appendix B OpenStack Deployment Guide" [Medium,In progress] | 13:09 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah we got rid of Appendix B it was causing too much maintenance headache and mismatch | 13:09 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: ok. | 13:10 |
| annegentle | I want to talk alot about install doc in the "refactor" session next week | 13:10 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: so do i :) | 13:10 |
| annegentle | yeah | 13:10 |
| annegentle | I figure we all do :) | 13:10 |
| koolhead17 | ahaha | 13:10 |
| koolhead17 | i would say it will be too much of clean up | 13:10 |
| annegentle | it's a big job | 13:11 |
| annegentle | but I have ideas :) | 13:11 |
| fifieldt_ | me too :) | 13:11 |
| annegentle | so I sense others in the community are going to create the one-pagers | 13:11 |
| annegentle | for install | 13:11 |
| annegentle | it's more important that ours is a tested path for "production-like" enviros | 13:11 |
| annegentle | So, are we okay with "once install is tested and packages are out, release?" | 13:11 |
| annegentle | or is there another set of criteria we need to be above? | 13:12 |
| fifieldt_ | for install guide, that sounds reasonable | 13:12 |
| fifieldt_ | for the 'reference' guide, I think that can go once there are no obvious errors/pitfalls left - i.e. there';s only new features left to add | 13:12 |
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| writerDiane | What's the 'reference' guide? | 13:12 |
| writerDiane | is that the API reference page? | 13:12 |
| fifieldt_ | 'compute admin' | 13:12 |
| fifieldt_ | not the API one | 13:13 |
| writerDiane | oh! | 13:13 |
| fifieldt_ | sorry for confusion | 13:13 |
| writerDiane | no problem! | 13:13 |
| fifieldt_ | speaking of which - api ref for grizzly - all good? | 13:13 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: I think so -- ladquin or writerDiane do you have input? | 13:13 |
| writerDiane | I'm still working through the bugs | 13:13 |
| annegentle | ladquin wrote a lovely end-of-internship report | 13:14 |
| annegentle | ladquin: thank you SO much for all your hard work! | 13:14 |
| ladquin | I'm finishing the Quantum section, which samples took me a lot more that expected | 13:14 |
| ladquin | annegentle, :) | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | there are some reviews waiting at | 13:14 |
| ladquin | my pleasure | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-site,n,z | 13:14 |
| annegentle | ladquin and writerDiane Ok, keep on trucking then. | 13:14 |
| fifieldt_ | +1 API is hardd | 13:14 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: so how much do you think it would take for the reference guide with all the conf options to be "done" | 13:15 |
| koolhead17 | hi ladquin writerDiane | 13:15 |
| writerDiane | hi! | 13:15 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, so config options that were reported with doc impact are more or less done | 13:15 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: and is that a new guide (standalone) or are you saying it's in other guides? | 13:15 |
| fifieldt_ | they were the easy bugs to solve | 13:16 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: are they the one working as interns 4 the doc stuff under gnome internship? | 13:16 |
| * koolhead17 is confused | 13:16 | |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: impressive | 13:16 |
| fifieldt_ | but we're still missing many - | 13:16 |
| fifieldt_ | for that I think the autogenerate is the solution | 13:16 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: ladquin is just now finished with her GNOME OPW internship, writerDiane works with me at Rackspace | 13:16 |
| fifieldt_ | doing it manually is going to be a pain | 13:16 |
| koolhead17 | ooh okey | 13:16 |
| ladquin | hi, koolhead17! | 13:16 |
| fifieldt_ | we're growing koolhead17 :D | 13:16 |
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| koolhead17 | fifieldt_: yay!! | 13:16 |
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| annegentle | writerDiane: koolhead17 is Atul, has been working on OpenStack docs since wayyyy back when! Cactus, right? | 13:16 |
| koolhead17 | yes :) | 13:17 |
| writerDiane | oh! hi koolhead17 | 13:17 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: I completely agree on the autogenerate. | 13:17 |
| koolhead17 | writerDiane: salute | 13:17 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: ok, so what I hear is, release Grizzly with the config we've got | 13:17 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: after install is tested | 13:17 |
| fifieldt_ | roger | 13:17 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: fifieldt_ my 1 line suggestion would be we are interested in doing things from scratch :) | 13:17 |
| koolhead17 | make it plug and play/moduler | 13:17 |
| fifieldt_ | 'course ;) | 13:18 |
| annegentle | Is that possible in about two weeks even with the Summit? Or a month from now? | 13:18 |
| koolhead17 | that way we exactly know in all our docs what needs to be modified everytime new release comes | 13:18 |
| annegentle | 5/9? or end of April? Hm | 13:18 |
| fifieldt_ | I think when the cybera guys get through it is a good timeframe | 13:18 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: also we need to get guys guys from RH/Ubuntu/Suse community to help us a bit | 13:19 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | if we are pushing the doc with the distro | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | it would be great if they do testing for us | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | just a suggestion | 13:19 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah I constantly reach out | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: probably we should have a doc session title "vedors & openstack docs" | 13:20 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: will do more in person next week | 13:20 |
| koolhead17 | where we can address some of these issues | 13:20 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: heh and if no one came? :) | 13:20 |
| fifieldt_ | I think a more individual approach is better | 13:20 |
| fifieldt_ | rather than a session | 13:20 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: okey | 13:20 |
| koolhead17 | i am saying this because tomorrow | 13:20 |
| fifieldt_ | we/"the foundation" should be contacting people and roping them in? | 13:20 |
| koolhead17 | cinder driver folks would like to have stuff added | 13:20 |
| annegentle | yeah this is an ongoing bit of relationship building | 13:20 |
| koolhead17 | so kind of we need to know whom to approach | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | 4 helping hand | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | so am wondering if we should have session addressing this need | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | just a suggestion | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | :P | 13:21 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah I get it, just saying this is what we already do :) | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | cool | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 13:21 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: so it feels a little like you're telling me I'm not doing my job | 13:21 |
| koolhead17 | let me know whom to trouble 4 redhat installation help | 13:22 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: oops not at all | 13:22 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: it's okay, just telling you how I'm perceiving it :) | 13:22 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: apology for that :( | 13:22 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: but definitely we need more relationship building and "I" don't scale | 13:22 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: so we have to continue to reachout, get names, get to know people. | 13:23 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: what i simply meant we need to have folks identified whom we can reach out 4 help | 13:23 |
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| koolhead17 | annegentle: that is what i meant :) | 13:23 |
| annegentle | ah yes! For RHEL install, I have a Racker Phil Hopkins who wants to take the Basic install guide and make it RHEL ready. | 13:23 |
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| fifieldt_ | cool | 13:23 |
| koolhead17 | awesome | 13:23 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: Yeah, it would be great to designate "maintainers" for docs | 13:23 |
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| annegentle | koolhead17: so far I don't sense that much responsibility for individual docs, well maybe in some cases. Hm, it's a good question. | 13:24 |
| writerDiane | I think it's hard to "own" a doc | 13:24 |
| annegentle | #agreed Release Grizzly docs after install is tested and packages are available. Approximately in 3-4 weeks. | 13:24 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: if you can see current questions in maling list about basic redhat install | 13:24 |
| writerDiane | in the community sphere - | 13:24 |
| annegentle | writerDiane: yeah I don't see it, yet. | 13:25 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah I think Phil's work will help with that | 13:25 |
| fifieldt_ | maybe this is a good discussion to have via ML or an etherpad - thresh out a strategy ? | 13:25 |
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| writerDiane | it might be interesting to get feedback from people at the summit about why they don't contribute to doc - there might be reasons we don't know about | 13:25 |
| fifieldt_ | "strategy for increasing contribution" | 13:25 |
| writerDiane | fifieldt_: yes exactly | 13:25 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: for install doc, it has been interesting to see install docs pop up individually but the "official" ones lightly touched | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | writerDiane: yes | 13:26 |
| ladquin | agree | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | yes | 13:26 |
| annegentle | writerDiane: yes, I think I know the reasons (toolchain is hard, I don't know enough to speak authoritatively, I don't have an enviro) | 13:26 |
| annegentle | writerDiane: not that those are all! There are many is what I mean :) | 13:26 |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/IncreasingDocContributions | 13:27 |
| annegentle | nice, fifieldt_ | 13:27 |
| writerDiane | yes, toolchain is hard but also the environment is a little unsettling - people patching patches, etc - not clear ownership (which is by design) - but that can be unsettling | 13:27 |
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| annegentle | so that leads naturally into our next topic | 13:27 |
| annegentle | #topic Refactor docs discussion - review blueprint before Summit | 13:27 |
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| koolhead17 | cool | 13:27 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/restructure-documentation | 13:28 |
| annegentle | It'll be easiest to talk about it in person next week but wanted to be sure you all have the ideas ahead of time | 13:29 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-restructure-documentation | 13:29 |
| fifieldt_ | LGTM :P | 13:29 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt_: hee | 13:29 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: devil's in the details | 13:30 |
| koolhead17 | :P | 13:30 |
| annegentle | Okay | 13:30 |
| annegentle | moving on in the interest of time | 13:30 |
| annegentle | #topic Docs-draft work for easier reviews | 13:30 |
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| annegentle | for one of ladquin's major contributions, she has a huge patch to the openstack-infra/config project to add "gate" builds | 13:30 |
| ladquin | I couldn't get that approved yet :( | 13:30 |
| annegentle | ladquin: yeah I saw that | 13:31 |
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| annegentle | ladquin: I like jeblair's thinking for patterns, how difficult is it to do though? | 13:31 |
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| fifieldt_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22768/ | 13:31 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: thanks, you were quicker :) | 13:31 |
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| ladquin | jeblair wanted a little modification and mordred put it in progress, form some reason, so I hopefully be taking care of that today | 13:31 |
| annegentle | ladquin: and, how much time do you really have? Should one of us pick it up? | 13:31 |
| annegentle | ladquin: wow cool! | 13:32 |
| ladquin | annegentle, oh, it's simple | 13:32 |
| annegentle | ladquin: sweet | 13:32 |
| ladquin | annegentle, but still would like to further discuss it with him | 13:32 |
| annegentle | ladquin: ok, great. Let us know if you need one of us to help. | 13:33 |
| mordred | ladquin: hey | 13:33 |
| annegentle | mordred: heya | 13:33 |
| mordred | ladquin: I basically started putting things as WIP that it seemed the next step was for someone to upload a new patch | 13:33 |
| koolhead17 | And yes mordred: never sleeps!! :) | 13:33 |
| ladquin | annegentle, it should really be something quick to finish today, need to make sure it fully complies with our infra team needs ;) | 13:33 |
| annegentle | heh sleep when you're dead right koolhead17? :) | 13:34 |
| annegentle | ladquin: excellent. And thanks mordred for the help | 13:34 |
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| ladquin | mordred, hey, thanks, yes, I need to amend that | 13:34 |
| annegentle | ok ready to talk translation? | 13:34 |
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| annegentle | #topic Translation uploading/downloading scripts | 13:34 |
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| Daisy | hi, I'm here | 13:34 |
| annegentle | Daisy: you have any news to report? | 13:34 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25810/ | 13:35 |
| Daisy | the patch is submitted to git review. | 13:35 |
| annegentle | I did see that ^^ | 13:35 |
| Daisy | just need to discuss with you about how to store the translation po files. | 13:35 |
| Daisy | I guess, there will be a big amout of po files. | 13:35 |
| annegentle | Daisy: ok, sure. I saw .tx directories somewhere? | 13:35 |
| * annegentle looks | 13:35 | |
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| annegentle | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/src/docbkx/openstack-install/locale | 13:36 |
| Daisy | Do you think, if the authors/readers will be bothered if we put these files under master ? | 13:36 |
| annegentle | Also locale directories | 13:36 |
| annegentle | Daisy: honestly it's not bothering me lately but I have super mega fast Internts. | 13:36 |
| annegentle | what do others think? | 13:37 |
| * annegentle wonders if translation also is a factor for the refactor | 13:37 | |
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| fifieldt_ | I have a slight personal preference for keeping the repo small in size, due to frequent travel = unreliable/slow internets | 13:37 |
| Daisy | Nova/Keystone and others have the po and pot file in master, but I think, their size are small, not like documents. | 13:37 |
| fifieldt_ | but I wouldn't allow my personal preferences stand in the way :) | 13:37 |
| fifieldt_ | ah - if there's an established precedent, maybe we should follow it | 13:37 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: yeah compltely understand that | 13:37 |
| Daisy | so we agree to put them in master? | 13:38 |
| fifieldt_ | sure | 13:38 |
| annegentle | Daisy: mordred: what are some of our other options? Just to be sure. | 13:38 |
| Daisy | ok. | 13:38 |
| koolhead17 | slow internet reminds me of my broadband | 13:38 |
| Daisy | use a different branch? | 13:38 |
| Daisy | we put the po files in a different branch, like, translation. If the developers don't want to download translations, they can pull from master. | 13:39 |
| Daisy | Actually, I have not clear ideas. | 13:39 |
| Daisy | I'm not a git master. | 13:39 |
| annegentle | Daisy: oh yeah that would make sense, actually, why not store with stable/folsom and also stable/grizzly in a month? | 13:39 |
| fifieldt_ | storing with stable makes sense to me | 13:39 |
| fifieldt_ | it changes less | 13:39 |
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| fifieldt_ | = less frustration for translators ? | 13:40 |
| annegentle | when I asked on the list, jaypipes said something about submodules? | 13:40 |
| Daisy | the translation po files will be changed because the downloading job runs daily. Can we put them in stable? | 13:40 |
| annegentle | which sounded AWFUL I have to admit :) | 13:40 |
| annegentle | yeah I really like starting with stable | 13:40 |
| fifieldt_ | stable :D | 13:40 |
| Daisy | the translation po files will be changed daily, so they are not stable. | 13:41 |
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| Daisy | what's the disadvantages if we create a new branch? | 13:41 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: hm. I don't know... really we just want to keep translators happy while not preventing new doc contributions from being a pain | 13:42 |
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| Daisy | exactly. | 13:42 |
| annegentle | Daisy: how much do translators know about the git branch label though? Do they see that much? | 13:43 |
| annegentle | Daisy: or is it just the Jenkins robots that need to use the branch? | 13:43 |
| annegentle | Daisy: because the Jenkins robots won't care if it's called "stable/relname" | 13:43 |
| annegentle | Daisy: people might think that's odd but it might not matter? | 13:43 |
| Daisy | translators doesn't need to know about branch lable. Branch lable is not required by Jenkins robots too. | 13:44 |
| annegentle | Daisy: ok then I think it's okay to go with stable | 13:44 |
| Daisy | ok then. | 13:44 |
| Daisy | go with stable. | 13:45 |
| * annegentle hopes my future self doesn't hate me for that :) | 13:45 | |
| fifieldt_ | hmmm! | 13:45 |
| ladquin | haha | 13:45 |
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| annegentle | I think it'll work the way we want it to | 13:45 |
| fifieldt_ | I'm sure by next meeting we will know whether it was correct | 13:45 |
| fifieldt_ | and if it wasn't we can change it | 13:45 |
| fifieldt_ | right? | 13:45 |
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| Daisy | I have a question... | 13:46 |
| annegentle | yeah | 13:46 |
| annegentle | sure go ahead | 13:46 |
| Daisy | when will stable/grizzly be created? or it has been created? | 13:46 |
| annegentle | Daisy: so that was our discussion today. We need packages released (depends on Ubuntu) and install docs tested (in progress). | 13:46 |
| * fifieldt_ is watching crazy tram track maintenance vehicles randomly block an intersection in very interesting ways | 13:46 | |
| annegentle | Daisy: my guess is either end of April or first 2 weeks of May | 13:46 |
| annegentle | Daisy: will that be too much delay? | 13:47 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, so that might be a problem - we probably want grizzly translation to start sooner, yes? | 13:47 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: well, why translate what isn't done? | 13:47 |
| Daisy | so I have to use stable/folsom to store the translation of grizzly? | 13:47 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: is my thinking? | 13:47 |
| annegentle | Daisy: oh. No. :) | 13:47 |
| annegentle | Daisy: Hm. | 13:47 |
| annegentle | So, here's the release process for docs: | 13:47 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Release | 13:47 |
| annegentle | that takes at least a day | 13:48 |
| annegentle | I could do it this week? | 13:48 |
| annegentle | I could do it the week after Summit | 13:48 |
| annegentle | Or could wait for Install docs to be done. | 13:48 |
| annegentle | Or. | 13:48 |
| writerDiane | I'd say after summit and when install docs are done? | 13:48 |
| annegentle | writerDiane: that's my preference but hadn't considered translations | 13:49 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: my top priortiy would be the Operations Guide anyway, which is in stable/folsom | 13:49 |
| annegentle | and is very folsom | 13:49 |
| Daisy | there is a operation guide in master , isn't it? | 13:49 |
| writerDiane | can't translation be staged? I.e. make a prioritized list and work through it? install guide would be last? | 13:49 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed | 13:49 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yep it matches folsom | 13:50 |
| annegentle | writerDiane: yeah that makes sense | 13:50 |
| annegentle | Daisy: do you have a sense of whether translators work thorugh a list? | 13:50 |
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| Daisy | when we have coordinators, we can ask the help from coordinators. | 13:50 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yeah | 13:50 |
| annegentle | Daisy: so I'd like a decision on stable/folsom and stable/grizzly -- is it okay if stable/grizzly is in a few weeks? Like after the Summit? | 13:51 |
| Daisy | so you mean that the translators start translation of stable/folsom? | 13:51 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: the translators wait until after the Summit and work on stable/grizzly | 13:52 |
| Daisy | I need to think it more. | 13:52 |
| annegentle | Daisy: except for the Ops Guide, start on that in stable/folsom | 13:52 |
| Daisy | currently, translators are doing the translation of master, that means, the latest version, the version are being developed. | 13:52 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: ok let's think about this from a release perspective. Translators won't wait for a release, they work on master. | 13:53 |
| annegentle | Daisy: so how do we "release" master docs? | 13:53 |
| Daisy | translations will be later than the release of master. | 13:53 |
| * ladquin wonders if Transifex works with translation memories | 13:53 | |
| Daisy | But if we keep translators to translate the old version of documents, will they be happy? | 13:53 |
| annegentle | ladquin: yep, it does! One of the reasons we picked it | 13:54 |
| Daisy | Transifex can work with translation memories. | 13:54 |
| annegentle | Daisy: for the Ops Guide, for sure it's best. | 13:54 |
| annegentle | Daisy: for other guides, master would be ok, as long as we know what happens at release time | 13:54 |
| Daisy | ok. I need to think more about it. Maybe we won't make decision tonight. | 13:54 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: I think that we might end up making smaller docs repos after the refactor? Possibly? We already split out ops/admin guides from API | 13:54 |
| Daisy | I'm not able to handle the documents differently. | 13:55 |
| annegentle | Would putting docs in individual repositories matter? | 13:55 |
| fifieldt_ | The review Daisy posted is the script that links to Transifex and back | 13:56 |
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| annegentle | That's the only way to take care of the tradeoff of size, is to put items into smaller "buckets" | 13:56 |
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| fifieldt_ | My guess is that it can be modified for any scenario | 13:56 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: yep probably so | 13:56 |
| Daisy | currently, the docs are in a single repository. So I look at them as single repository. When a single document is updated, the update event will triger the uploading jobs, the updated POT file will be upload to Transifex. | 13:57 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: what do you think of smaller repositories? | 13:57 |
| fifieldt_ | I prefer the big repo | 13:57 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: okay | 13:57 |
| fifieldt_ | I do a lot of grepping to find stuff across different docs | 13:57 |
| annegentle | fifieldt_: yep | 13:57 |
| annegentle | Daisy: I think it's okay to use master | 13:58 |
| annegentle | Daisy: I don't think the pot files will be all that big | 13:58 |
| Daisy | there are only two Jenkins jobs for me: uploading and downloading, a single repository. Not several jobs for individual documents. | 13:58 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yeah | 13:58 |
| Daisy | so we use master firstly. | 13:58 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yep. I still want to understand what happens when we cut stable/grizzly in a few weeks? | 13:58 |
| Daisy | And then we discuss more in the summit. | 13:59 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: yep | 13:59 |
| Daisy | versioning will be a problem for translation too. | 13:59 |
| annegentle | Daisy: are you able to come? | 13:59 |
| Daisy | I should list this as a topic. | 13:59 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yes it will :) | 13:59 |
| Daisy | Yes, I'm able to come. | 13:59 |
| fifieldt_ | yayy! | 13:59 |
| annegentle | Daisy: wonderful! | 14:00 |
| annegentle | Okay, great! | 14:00 |
| Daisy | :) | 14:00 |
| annegentle | Wow where did the time go? | 14:00 |
| Daisy | we are run out of time. | 14:00 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | or I can end the meeting if no one has anything :) | 14:00 |
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| * fifieldt_ needs tex mex | 14:00 | |
| annegentle | hee | 14:00 |
| annegentle | Good tortilla chips and salsa just don't travel well | 14:01 |
| mordred | annegentle: what did I do? | 14:01 |
| annegentle | mordred: all of the things! | 14:01 |
| mordred | awesome! | 14:01 |
| koolhead17 | :P | 14:01 |
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| ladquin | hahah | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | mordred: if your team can attend the Docs Translation session at the Summit next week on Monday it would be super-uper helpful | 14:01 |
| mordred | annegentle: yes. that one is definitely on my list | 14:01 |
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| mordred | I'll make olaph be there for sure, but I believe more of us will be there as well | 14:02 |
| annegentle | #info Monday 2013-04-15 13:50 - Translation management enhancement | 14:02 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: am working on that install doc with nova-network | 14:02 |
| mordred | ttx: it would be GREAT if I could get an ical feed from sched.org | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | all hail nova-network | 14:02 |
| koolhead17 | i will not add/push it in offical repo unless i test it atleast 10 times | 14:02 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 14:02 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: ok, how can you incorporate? | 14:02 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt_: i don`t want nova-network die so soon | 14:02 |
| koolhead17 | :D | 14:02 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: oh well propose apatch and we'll see how you incorporate :) | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah it's definitely not dead since quantum is so hard | 14:03 |
| ttx | mordred: if only sched was open source ;) | 14:03 |
| annegentle | heh | 14:03 |
| annegentle | ok, I'll end our meeting -- thanks all for attending! | 14:03 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 14:03:27 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-04-09-13.00.html | 14:03 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: yes let me get it 100% first & will write it in docbook & request 4 merge | 14:03 |
| mordred | ttx: wow, if only there was an open source option for doing that task... | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-04-09-13.00.txt | 14:03 |
| ttx | mordred: oh. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-04-09-13.00.log.html | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | cheers all | 14:03 |
| ttx | mordred: how about http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/all.ics | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | zzz time | 14:03 |
| * ladquin runs to class (after disturbing the peace in -infra) | 14:03 | |
| sdague | mordred: or http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/sdague.ics (with your username) | 14:04 |
| ttx | or even better: http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/YOURNAMEHERE.ics | 14:04 |
| mordred | oh - neat | 14:04 |
| ttx | mordred: details @ http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/mobile-site | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | night annegentle, koolhead17, writerDiane, ladquin, Daisy | 14:04 |
| writerDiane | good night! | 14:04 |
| koolhead17 | night fifieldt_ | 14:04 |
| annegentle | night! :) | 14:04 |
| ladquin | night, fifieldt_ | 14:04 |
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| ttx | mordred: looks like they did their homework | 14:05 |
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| sdague | that worked at least in the last summit | 14:05 |
| sdague | I used it last time | 14:05 |
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| mordred | works! yay! | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | annegentle: what did I do now? :) | 14:10 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: hee. You suggested submodules for storing translations for docs. Way to go dude. :) | 14:10 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: at least I think it was you | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 14:10 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting #hyper-v | 14:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 14:57:37 2013 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #hyper-v)" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_hyper_v' | 14:57 |
| primeministerp | there we go | 14:57 |
| primeministerp | hi everyone | 14:57 |
| primeministerp | don't think we have everyone yet | 14:58 |
| primeministerp | we'll wait five | 14:58 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: pedro! | 14:59 |
| pnavarro | hi primeministerp ! | 14:59 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: getting ready for the summit? | 14:59 |
| pnavarro | yeahhh ready for the partys ! | 14:59 |
| primeministerp | hahaha | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | getting the internal clock ready | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | hey btw | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | actually i'll wait a sec | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | want to see if the cern folks show up | 15:00 |
| pnavarro | ok ! | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | well | 15:01 |
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| primeministerp | I started putting some puppet manifests on github | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: ^ | 15:01 |
| pnavarro | great | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: one for pxe provisioning linux/windows, one for building a winpe image, and the nova-compute node beginings | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | hopefully we can work w/ luis and add to it | 15:03 |
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| primeministerp | anyway what's the state of the cinder bits | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | I saw you report a bug to alessandro | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | that was found in the installer | 15:03 |
| pnavarro | the installer works ok | 15:03 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | hi tavi | 15:04 |
| pnavarro | but, I have problems when launching the service | 15:04 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: something in the conf file? | 15:04 |
| pnavarro | no, it's still something related to eventlet | 15:05 |
| primeministerp | o | 15:05 |
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| primeministerp | mrodden1: howdy | 15:05 |
| primeministerp | mrodden: howdy | 15:05 |
| pnavarro | if i start cinder-all (cinder-volume, cinder-all, cinder-volume) it works | 15:05 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: are you going to be ready to pick back up on the puppet bits post summit? | 15:05 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: yep | 15:06 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: good | 15:06 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu:anything else to add from the cloudbase side of things? | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | i was hoping luis and iben would show up to discuss the puppet bits | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | but if they are not then I can save it for the summit | 15:08 |
| pnavarro | so primeministerp, I'll send an e-mail later about that | 15:08 |
| ociuhandu | we released the grizzly installer so the beta one can "move on" | 15:08 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: about what? | 15:08 |
| pnavarro | about cinder problems | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | o | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | thx | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | appreciate it | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | anything either of you want to add then? | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | if not looking forward to seeing you both at the summit. | 15:09 |
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| primeministerp | i'll be in #openstack-hyper-v if there's questions | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:09 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 15:09:55 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_hyper_v/2013/_hyper_v.2013-04-09-14.57.html | 15:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_hyper_v/2013/_hyper_v.2013-04-09-14.57.txt | 15:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_hyper_v/2013/_hyper_v.2013-04-09-14.57.log.html | 15:10 |
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| matelakat | Hi | 16:00 |
| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 16:00:44 2013 UTC. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 16:00 |
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| BobBall | Morning! | 16:00 |
| BobBall | #topic Actions | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 16:01 | |
| BobBall | Mate - documenting ISO boot? | 16:01 |
| matelakat | That's sitting in the backlog at the moment together with the Wiki -> doc | 16:01 |
| matelakat | /boot/guest has been added to the docs. | 16:02 |
| BobBall | Ok got it | 16:02 |
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| BobBall | that was action #3 | 16:02 |
| BobBall | Action #4 was add https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/BootFromISO to the install docs | 16:02 |
| matelakat | devstack change also merged to trunk. | 16:02 |
| BobBall | is that the same as "look at documenting ISO boot"? | 16:02 |
| matelakat | I think these two items are the same | 16:03 |
| BobBall | #action matelakat to document ISO boot | 16:03 |
| BobBall | There you go - the action can carry over to next week :) | 16:03 |
| matelakat | It's not prioritized. | 16:03 |
| BobBall | Ah - it's worth mentioning what the agenda is this week | 16:03 |
| BobBall | Good point. But it's in the backlog. | 16:03 |
| BobBall | We can close that action then | 16:03 |
| matelakat | Okay. | 16:04 |
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| BobBall | Sorry for pushing it over to next week | 16:04 |
| BobBall | I don't think I can #unaction :) | 16:04 |
| matelakat | You can always try | 16:04 |
| BobBall | *trying to log in to the wiki to get the Agenda* | 16:04 |
| matelakat | #topic Actions from last meeting | 16:05 |
| BobBall | #link This week's agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings/XenAPI&oldid=19983 | 16:05 |
| BobBall | I'd already done actions | 16:05 |
| BobBall | let's move on to the next agenda item | 16:05 |
| BobBall | #topic blueprints | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 16:05 | |
| matelakat | No update from my side. | 16:06 |
| BobBall | I know it's empty and there's nothing to discuss - but we'll be talking about the blueprints at the summit :) | 16:06 |
| BobBall | #topic docs | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 16:06 | |
| BobBall | So the agenda links to a couple of the changes that have been made: | 16:06 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26079/ documents /boot/guest | 16:06 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26086/ documents dom0 modifications in the install manual | 16:06 |
| matelakat | All merged. | 16:06 |
| BobBall | Good news | 16:07 |
| BobBall | anything else on the docs front pending? | 16:07 |
| matelakat | Not really, apart from the ISO stuff. | 16:07 |
| matelakat | I am looking at Quantum at the moment. | 16:07 |
| BobBall | Sounds good to me - apparently we're in good shape to move into Havana then! | 16:08 |
| BobBall | #topic Bugs / QA | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs / QA (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 16:08 | |
| matelakat | Some docs are saying, that quantum is using the internal xapi interface - so we might need to revisit the architecture diagram. | 16:08 |
| BobBall | sorry, yes | 16:09 |
| BobBall | but that's something we can do once the quantum patch hits trunk | 16:09 |
| matelakat | sure. | 16:09 |
| BobBall | which has been ressurected again I see | 16:09 |
| BobBall | We need to try and keep it alive this time - hopefully post-summit we can join the push for getting it merged | 16:10 |
| BobBall | ok | 16:10 |
| BobBall | so are there any other bugs to talk about? | 16:10 |
| matelakat | pass | 16:11 |
| BobBall | The iSCSI XSM block migration bug (can't XSM migrate when an iSCSI volume is attached) has a candidate fix up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25419/ | 16:11 |
| BobBall | Feel free to review it Mate :) | 16:11 |
| matelakat | Okay. | 16:11 |
| BobBall | Don't think we've got other bugs | 16:12 |
| BobBall | Unfortunately with John not with us (just this week and next) he's not able to raise any more bugs with us! | 16:12 |
| matelakat | :-) | 16:12 |
| BobBall | #Topic Open discussion | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 16:12 | |
| BobBall | oh - we skipped a bit from the agenda | 16:13 |
| matelakat | I guess we'll skip the meeting next week. | 16:13 |
| BobBall | sorry - the result of running the full tempest test is up | 16:13 |
| BobBall | http://paste.openstack.org/show/35276/ | 16:13 |
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| BobBall | A few things to work on before XenAPI has full coverage of the tempest tests | 16:13 |
| matelakat | y | 16:13 |
| BobBall | but only 3 failures is positive since we don't gate on Tempest on XenAPI yet | 16:13 |
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| BobBall | of course the 3 errors may be something to look into too, but all in all better than it could have been | 16:14 |
| BobBall | So yes, next week's meeting will be cancelled since we'll all be at the summit | 16:14 |
| BobBall | and for a pre-summit meeting we can probably finish in record time! | 16:15 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 16:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 16:15:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-04-09-16.00.html | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-04-09-16.00.txt | 16:15 |
| BobBall | See you on Monday! | 16:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-04-09-16.00.log.html | 16:15 |
| matelakat | See U | 16:15 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 18:00:19 2013 UTC. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| topol | Hello, anyone have plans for next week? | 18:00 |
| dolphm | i was thinking about staying home and watching tv | 18:00 |
| stevemar | yeah, i was thinking the same | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #topic OpenStack summit! | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack summit! (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| stevemar | heard something about a summit | 18:01 |
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| spzala | Hi all! | 18:01 |
| joesavak | o/ hi | 18:01 |
| dolphm | something something yelling at each other in tiny conference rooms on the west coast something something | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Havana/Etherpads#Keystone | 18:01 |
| gyee | and bad beer breath | 18:01 |
| dolphm | I created etherpads for all of our summit sessions | 18:01 |
| topol | dolphm, cool | 18:02 |
| dolphm | In a couple cases there were existing etherpads so I ensured those were used - if there's an existing etherpad that I didn't link, please crosslink them and move the aggregate the content into one place as appropriate | 18:02 |
| topol | I need to fill mine out | 18:02 |
| dolphm | i just stubbed all the new ones | 18:02 |
| dolphm | at minimum, each etherpad needs to have a list of topics that need to be discussed, and a question to be answered / goal to be reached / etc | 18:02 |
| topol | will do | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #topic Bad beer breath arguments | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | so, for officially unofficial unconferencing purposes, i guess twitter? | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | sounds easy enough | 18:04 |
| gyee | +1 | 18:04 |
| dolphm | I'll be arriving in Portland around 3p on Sunday, and i'll start tweetering wherever i wander thereafter if anyone wants to follow/join/stalk do some pub-based arguing | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #link https://twitter.com/dolphm | 18:04 |
| dolphm | (this is where everyone posts links to their twitter account or runs off to twitter to sign up) | 18:04 |
| joesavak | #link twitter.com/joesavak | 18:05 |
| stevemar | #link https://twitter.com/stevebot | 18:05 |
| dolphm | joesavak: fully formed uri's please | 18:05 |
| dwaite | #link https://twitter.com/dwaite | 18:05 |
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| joesavak | #link https://twitter.com/joesavak | 18:06 |
| topol | #link https://twitter.com/bradtopol | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ? | 18:06 |
| dolphm | gyee: ? | 18:07 |
| gyee | I need to sign up first :) | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #link https://twitter.com/heckj | 18:07 |
| dwaite | oh interesting, what is this twitter thing that I've never heard about? | 18:07 |
| joesavak | lol | 18:08 |
| dolphm | it's where you regurgitate unoriginal truncated quotes from more creative sources than yourself | 18:08 |
| joesavak | garbage data replicator | 18:08 |
| dolphm | #topic Grizzly docs | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | #link http://docs.openstack.org/ | 18:08 |
| dolphm | docs need some updating now that grizzly has shipped | 18:08 |
| dolphm | i believe we have a short window before the docs open up for havana-related things | 18:09 |
| dwaite | dolphm: https://twitter.com/dwaite/status/321686249624719360 | 18:09 |
| dolphm | so please get to reviewing, testing, revising & amending as appropriate :) | 18:09 |
| topol | dolphm, do you have a list of known doc issues you want to hand out to folks? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | dwaite: i hope it's not awkward if i retweet your unattributed quote | 18:10 |
| dolphm | topol: i haven't taken a pass through the doc bug list myself, yet | 18:10 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals | 18:10 |
| topol | or do we just read an look for glaring errors | 18:10 |
| dolphm | there's lots of stuff in there for us to tackle though | 18:11 |
| topol | OK. figured you would say that | 18:11 |
| dolphm | there's several major new things in grizzly that are undocumented afaik | 18:11 |
| ayoung | I'm here. | 18:11 |
| dolphm | source- | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/src/docbkx | 18:11 |
| dolphm | things that come to mind: pki_setup, policy.json enforcement/customization | 18:11 |
| dolphm | making DEFAULT_DOMAIN_ID go on non-sql based identity drivers *cough*ldap*cough* | 18:11 |
| dolphm | ldap schema changes | 18:12 |
| ayoung | Ugh...twitter. DO I need to set up an account? Someone already squatted on admiyo | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: https://twitter.com/ayoungerest | 18:12 |
| dwaite | dolphm: I prefer thinking twitter is so that the next generations can still know what it feels like to compose a classified ad | 18:13 |
| dolphm | lol | 18:13 |
| dolphm | hmm | 18:14 |
| dolphm | #topic High priority bugs or immediate issues? | 18:14 |
| topol | 4 sale Buick Skylark 76K Mint | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | (i'm not really aware of anything) | 18:15 |
| dolphm | there's a few unanswered queries on the mailing list regarding PKI and LDAP if anyone wants to take a stab at forming a coherent semi-useful response :) | 18:16 |
| topol | K, I remember seeing an LDAP one | 18:16 |
| dolphm | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack@lists.launchpad.net/msg21954.html | 18:17 |
| topol | I can take that | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack@lists.launchpad.net/msg21806.html | 18:17 |
| dolphm | PKI ^ | 18:17 |
| dolphm | i think i'm qualified to answer the PKI one, but i don't want to get security details wrong | 18:17 |
| dolphm | so, ayoung? | 18:17 |
| gyee | dolphm, I took care of that already | 18:18 |
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| gyee | Mark is good to go | 18:18 |
| ayoung | #link https://twitter.com/admiyoung | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | gyee: hmm, alright -- was it off-list then? | 18:18 |
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| gyee | dolphm, yeah, I forgot to reply to the whole list | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dolphm, -dev or just openstack? I | 18:18 |
| dolphm | gyee: it'd be nice if you resent it to the list :) | 18:18 |
| ayoung | 'm about 3500 messages behind on the main list | 18:18 |
| gyee | dolphm, sure | 18:19 |
| ayoung | and 4600 behind on -dev | 18:19 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the two i linked above are the only ones i'm aware of | 18:19 |
| topol | ayoung, better do like the postman and start burying them in your basement | 18:19 |
| gyee | ayoung, try to use your round folder more often | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | i'm also working on v3 auth in keystoneclient when i have time, but it's been a really slow process and there's way more changes required than expected | 18:20 |
| henrynash | joined, sorry to be late | 18:20 |
| dolphm | i'd like to do a v0.3.0 release of keystoneclient by the end of the week with v3 auth and any relevant bug fixes we can squeeze in | 18:20 |
| ayoung | Mark asked me off list and I told him to ask here. But I did answer him directly. | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | #topic Open discussion | 18:21 |
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| gyee | #link https://twitter.com/gyeeeeee | 18:21 |
| ayoung | LDAP one ... guessing that the pre-existing values don't have default domain set | 18:21 |
| henrynash | dolphm: feel free to pull me in to work on the client of you need help | 18:21 |
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| dwaite | re: session next week, I thought about it and will probably drop SCIM from slides in favor of OpenID (Connect). Not sure if I have a recourse to update schedules. | 18:22 |
| dolphm | henrynash: thanks | 18:22 |
| dwaite | was hoping to have draft slides to share, but still need to pull out more content for time :) | 18:22 |
| henrynash | dwaite: I think OpenID connect would be a great thing to cover | 18:22 |
| dolphm | henrynash: p.s. we exchanged links to twitter accounts earlier if you have one to add | 18:22 |
| topol | +1 on OpenID connect | 18:22 |
| ayoung | -2 on OpenID and any web only SSO | 18:23 |
| dolphm | dwaite: if you email me a new description, i can revise sched.org | 18:23 |
| dwaite | ok! | 18:23 |
| ayoung | the more I read about them, the more scared I get | 18:23 |
| henrynash | dolphm: @henrynash | 18:23 |
| dolphm | web-only is a definite non-starter | 18:23 |
| henrynash | (shockingly) | 18:23 |
| dolphm | #link https://twitter.com/henrynash | 18:23 |
| ayoung | Redirect based SSO is a non starter in my book | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | dwaite, you are not going to talk about Kerberos or Client Side X509, are you? | 18:27 |
| dwaite | very briefly | 18:27 |
| topol | dwaite, I believe you are not supposed to put a slide deck together, just FYI | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | I'm going to cover Kerberos in depth. I think that my talk is just going to eat into the first Keystone session. | 18:28 |
| topol | so the OS design summit gurus tell me | 18:28 |
| dwaite | hmm, will there be a projector for shadow puppetry? | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | it got scheduled as a main conference talk, but they decided to schedule it on the only day that it conflicted with things I needed to do. | 18:28 |
| dolphm | slides should be incredibly short so we can get to the discussion stuff | 18:29 |
| dolphm | 3 slides in a design summit session is a lot | 18:29 |
| dolphm | and if you have an intro slide something is wrong | 18:29 |
| ayoung | http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/02841e3d64620e15b861db63628735bd#.UWReAaquI94 is the same time as the first Keystone slot. dolphm what is going in there? | 18:29 |
| dolphm | i didn't schedule that | 18:29 |
| ayoung | SAML, OAuth 2, and SCIM - Overview and Application: | 18:29 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I know...that was the confusion last week. Now I am committed, though | 18:30 |
| topol | just curiously why do the other projects get like 4 days of design summit and we get 1? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ask if you can have that session moved to wednesday morning? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | So I am going to miss dwaite 's session | 18:30 |
| ayoung | I'll try | 18:30 |
| dolphm | topol: nova is the only one that gets a *lot* of time | 18:30 |
| topol | OK | 18:31 |
| dolphm | oslo, glance, swift and keystone are all about the same | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dolphm, any idea who to ask? This whole thing is kindog a mystery to me | 18:31 |
| dwaite | hmm. thats no good. I get the feeling that we will be pushing strongly opposing technologies | 18:31 |
| topol | primadonnas :-) | 18:31 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ttx would know | 18:31 |
| dwaite | if we conflict - where will the fight be, where will the entertainment be? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dwaite, nah, we need to support a range of options | 18:31 |
| dwaite | :D | 18:31 |
| ayoung | and not dictate | 18:31 |
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| dolphm | dwaite: that's the discussion we want to have at the summit :) | 18:32 |
| dolphm | design summit = coming to an agreement & making a decision | 18:32 |
| ayoung | http://www.swordsofmight.com/larp-weapons-latex-swords.aspx in the middle of the lunch room, I think | 18:32 |
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| dolphm | dwaite: i scheduled your talk first on thurs because i imagine the outcome will affect the discussions for the rest of the day | 18:32 |
| dwaite | ooh, no pressure | 18:32 |
| dwaite | wow those swords are great | 18:32 |
| topol | dwaite, I just wanted to let you know, we are all counting on you | 18:33 |
| dwaite | need one on the class divider of my cubicle, over my head | 18:33 |
| dwaite | hmm, I'm going to try to crush things down. any other points will be in my notes to bring up in discussion :D | 18:34 |
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| topol | those larp throwing knives are surprisingly affordable | 18:35 |
| ayoung | should we plan on having a face-to-face meeting on Monday morning and plan out the rest of the week then? | 18:36 |
| topol | ayoung +1 | 18:36 |
| stevemar | +1, that would help out | 18:36 |
| henrynash | ayoung: +1 count me in | 18:37 |
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| dolphm | immediately after design summit kickoff? | 18:37 |
| gyee | sounds good | 18:37 |
| ayoung | yes | 18:38 |
| ayoung | I need to make sure I get to this one at 11 http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/66519fa2fd27cfc6b1428b62aac3fba2#.UWRf5aquI94 | 18:38 |
| ayoung | and I suggest we have a decent number of Keystone folks there. That is Trust/Oauth stuff. | 18:38 |
| dolphm | ooh, anyone aware of any other non-keystone track sessions that we should be crashing? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | But I don't think we have anything pressing at the 9 AM session | 18:38 |
| dolphm | 9am is the intro | 18:39 |
| gyee | dolphm, is Key Manager part of Keystone? | 18:39 |
| dolphm | yes | 18:39 |
| gyee | cool | 18:39 |
| ayoung | Sorry, 9:50. First session. | 18:39 |
| dolphm | there's definitely some debate about that | 18:39 |
| dolphm | but it's on our track, regardless of whether the feature ends up in keystone | 18:39 |
| gyee | looking forward to that one as well | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | i was wondering if the /v3/credentials api could somehow back an external key manager service? | 18:40 |
| chmouel | it would be nice if somebody from keystone can come over to this one http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/79780b828202669f572483884dcbf3b1 to talk about v3+ swift | 18:40 |
| ayoung | Oh, hey, look, another Federation project | 18:40 |
| dolphm | chmouel: thanks | 18:40 |
| ayoung | I really should look at the other tracks more closely | 18:41 |
| gyee | dolphm, yeah, I was thinking the same thing | 18:41 |
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| dolphm | gyee: awesome, i didn't know if i was crazy or not | 18:41 |
| topol | I could use a talking points cheat sheet: if interested in keystone stuff make sure you attendy x, y, z | 18:41 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we've already established that you are crazy. The rest is details | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1 | 18:41 |
| ayoung | I mean, you took the PTL position. | 18:41 |
| chmouel | heh | 18:41 |
| dolphm | +2 | 18:42 |
| topol | q.e.d. :-) | 18:42 |
| ayoung | Cloud Keep is at the same time http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/886118ad75e16dae1da91d9ca9866ca7#.UWRhKKquI94 | 18:42 |
| ayoung | Key management as a service | 18:43 |
| gyee | you trust you key to the cloud?! | 18:43 |
| ayoung | we should have someone (or several someones) here http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/40c9f9db30ba96480d094aca32d94f5e#.UWRhUqquI94 | 18:43 |
| ayoung | 0 downtime upgrades | 18:43 |
| henrynash | ayoung: count me in for that | 18:44 |
| ayoung | I think there are a few sessions on Upgrade. We got burnt on that this release, and we should be the smartest team about it from here on out | 18:45 |
| ayoung | People should be able to do Keystone upgrades and have the rest of the cloud keep running, and lets make sure we know what that really means. | 18:45 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1 | 18:45 |
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| nachi | Is there a live webcast for keystone sessions. Where will be the slides uploaded for keystone sessions | 18:46 |
| topol | ayoung, a failover keystone? | 18:46 |
| chmouel | from experience I think the evernotes are the most reliable sources | 18:46 |
| dolphm | nachi: my understanding is that there won't be a webcast | 18:46 |
| chmouel | etherpad | 18:46 |
| ayoung | topol, that is a different issue | 18:46 |
| nachi | ok. thanks | 18:46 |
| dolphm | nachi: and there generally aren't slides for design summit sessions, but notes will be taken here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Grizzly/Etherpads | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | topol, for now, lets absorb from the other projects, but keep in mind the peculiarities of keystone | 18:47 |
| gyee | how about a self-healing keystone? :) | 18:47 |
| gyee | fixes its own bug | 18:47 |
| ayoung | gyee, you know what happens when you remove the keystone? | 18:47 |
| dolphm | nachi: sorry, that was the old link, for havana: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Havana/Etherpads | 18:47 |
| nachi | dophm: ok thanks. i will look at the etherpad for notes | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: everything collapses! | 18:48 |
| ayoung | I don't think that metaphor is accidental, either | 18:48 |
| gyee | ayoung, a hole in the wall? | 18:48 |
| topol | dolphm, yes, thats why I said the need for a failover keystone. all roads typically go thru us | 18:49 |
| ayoung | gyee more likely that there is no wall anymore | 18:49 |
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| dolphm | topol: definitely, but we're not doing anything to block that | 18:49 |
| topol | I was just probing on whether there was a lighter weight option. I can think of one | 18:50 |
| topol | s/can/cant | 18:50 |
| ayoung | topol, so the issue is with Database upgrades. From here on out, we should think "what would happen if I ran this upgrade with the existing Keystone code?" COuld I have Grizzz GA and Havana 1 running against the same back end? | 18:51 |
| topol | that'd be nice. I'd buy one of those | 18:52 |
| ayoung | It might not be achievable | 18:52 |
| ayoung | but we should try | 18:52 |
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| dolphm | we definitely don't code that way | 18:52 |
| ayoung | it means that we have to deal with holes in the data, either by defaulting values put in by the old code, or by assuming that there can be blanks | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dolphm, not yet we don't. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | That is why we need to think about it long and hard before we start accepting patches | 18:53 |
| bknudson | and missing columns? | 18:53 |
| topol | ayoung +1 | 18:53 |
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| gyee | we did v2 v3 token data intermix, that was fun :) | 18:53 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i imagine it's really, really difficult to take that approach in an open source project | 18:53 |
| bknudson | how about a data service? | 18:54 |
| bknudson | a REST API on top of sql. | 18:54 |
| topol | bknudson, how would you use that to mitigate the issue? | 18:54 |
| bknudson | keystone is talking to this data service instead of making sqlalchemy calls directly | 18:55 |
| bknudson | so it can handle the translation | 18:55 |
| topol | a proxy layer | 18:55 |
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| bknudson | or, it's more like how keystone-client works with older versions of keystone. | 18:56 |
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| bknudson | keystone would be a client of this data service | 18:56 |
| ayoung | bknudson, how about an AMQP api on top of SQL instead | 18:56 |
| bknudson | it doesn't have to be rest. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | that way we can do asyn IO | 18:57 |
| topol | ayoung, you still need a piece to be the proxy layer, correct | 18:57 |
| ayoung | async | 18:57 |
| dolphm | alright, i'm going to endmeeting a few minutes early and leave ya'll to keep dreaming ;) | 18:57 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 18:57:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| bknudson | could be a direct api, but needs to be a layer | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-04-09-18.00.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-04-09-18.00.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-04-09-18.00.log.html | 18:57 |
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| topol | we scared dolphm | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | topol, proxy layer? You mean as insulation against the schema changing? | 18:59 |
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| topol | something that allows you to be in the middle and handle the differences as necessary | 19:00 |
| jeblair | are ci/infra people around | 19:01 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | yep | 19:01 |
| * clarkb needs to grab something to drink be back in a minute | 19:01 | |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 19:02:38 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | mordred: do you have anything before you get on a plane? | 19:03 |
| mordred | jeblair: I need to unbreak 2.6 for pbr projects | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic mordred plane flight | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | we had wanted to just wait for rhel to fix that for us | 19:03 |
| jeblair | fungi: but i'm guessing that's not going to happen today | 19:04 |
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| mordred | yeah - but rhel seems unhappy too I thought? | 19:04 |
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| mordred | or is it legit just 2.6 ubuntu that's giving us the problem? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mordred: and pbr is broken now | 19:04 |
| fungi | i believe dprince was still working on backports from master | 19:04 |
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| fungi | which is to say we could switch to rhel6 today for master/havana afaik | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mordred: so what if we switch the pbr projects to rhel for 26? | 19:05 |
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| mordred | jeblair: let's try that as step one | 19:05 |
| mordred | jeblair: and see how it goes before trying a plan b | 19:05 |
| jeblair | mordred: i'm worried that otherwise it involves puppet hacking | 19:05 |
| mordred | it _should_ solve the underlying problem | 19:05 |
| fungi | mordred: have an example of a job you'd like me to fire on a rhel6 slave as a test? | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | mordred: which would be very useful, i mean, clarkb thinks we are going to run into this again with python3 | 19:06 |
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| fungi | or is it already testing successfully on rhel6 non-voting? | 19:06 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I actually spoke to someone about that and assuming pip -E works properly we should be able to patch the puppet provider | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | or we run puppet twice with two different python envs set | 19:06 |
| mordred | fungi: gate-os-config-applier-python26 and gate-gear-python26 | 19:06 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yah. I believe we ultimately need to solve this more resiliently | 19:06 |
| jeblair | mordred, clarkb: you want to fight over which of you hacks that? :) | 19:06 |
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| mordred | but I think that doing that with some time to think about it properly would be nice | 19:06 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I did install zmq for the log pusher script through apt and not pip to avoid this problem :) | 19:06 |
| fungi | mordred: those are also failing on rhel6... | 19:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: also, that's preferred anyway. :) | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/gate-os-config-applier-python26-rhel6/ | 19:07 |
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| mordred | fungi: GREAT | 19:07 |
| fungi | no idea if they're failing the same way, but they're failing | 19:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I can bring it back up with finch over at puppetlabs, and see if we can hack something useful for all of puppet users | 19:07 |
| jeblair | mordred: fascinating -- and that's with a 2.6 egg | 19:07 |
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| mordred | ok. that blows my previous theory | 19:08 |
| clarkb | basically requires me to do more pip testing and feed him the info so that we can get a patch into the provider | 19:08 |
| mordred | how about I spin up a rhel env and debug and get back to everyone. in the mean time, os-config-applier and gear could disable python2.6 tests for the time being if they're blocked | 19:08 |
| jeblair | mordred: +1 | 19:08 |
| clarkb | sounds good | 19:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb: +1 as well | 19:09 |
| mordred | (not ideal, but, you know, neither project will die without 2.6 for a day) | 19:09 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:09 |
| * mordred will add better 2.6 testing to pbr as well | 19:09 | |
| * mordred cries | 19:09 | |
| jeblair | mordred: and did you see the zuul bug i filed? | 19:09 |
| * dprince is willing to help out if needed too | 19:09 | |
| jeblair | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zuul/+bug/1166937 | 19:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1166937 in zuul "Option to group multiple jobs together in job trees" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 19:09 |
| mordred | jeblair: I did not. I'll look | 19:09 |
| mordred | awesome | 19:09 |
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| mordred | dprince - if you happen to get bored and figure out why https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/gate-os-config-applier-python26-rhel6/ is breaking in the next hour before I get back online, I will buy you a puppy | 19:10 |
| jeblair | i encapsulated what we talked about, including after you dropped off | 19:10 |
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| mordred | jeblair: thanks! | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i think that implementation is mostly in zuul/model.py | 19:10 |
| anteaya | dprince: make sure it is a house trained puppy | 19:10 |
| mordred | excellent | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mordred: and a little bit in the config parser in scheduler.py | 19:11 |
| dprince | mordred: I already have one (a humpy one) | 19:11 |
| mordred | nice | 19:11 |
| mordred | ok - me run to plane | 19:11 |
| mordred | back online in a bit | 19:11 |
| jeblair | mordred: godspeed | 19:11 |
| jeblair | there were no actions from last meeting | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #topi gerrit/lp groups | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #topic gerrit/lp groups | 19:11 |
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| fungi | mmm, did we still have any to-dos on that? | 19:12 |
| fungi | i think it's wrapped up aside from any other cleanup ttx might have wanted to do in lp | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | fungi: did the ptl change land? | 19:12 |
| fungi | i was just checking... | 19:13 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/25806 | 19:13 |
| fungi | merged yesterday | 19:13 |
| jeblair | woo | 19:13 |
| fungi | oh, i probably should add a note in that groups cleanup bug of ttx's | 19:13 |
| jeblair | #topic grenade | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grenade (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:14 | |
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| jeblair | dtroyer pointed me at some changes he wants to merge first, and then... | 19:14 |
| jeblair | we can cut stable/grizzly branches of grenade and devstack | 19:14 |
| jeblair | and then i think we'll be set to run non-voting grenade jobs widely on both master and stable/grizzly | 19:14 |
| clarkb | \o/ | 19:15 |
| clarkb | is it working now? | 19:15 |
| jeblair | clarkb: it has occasionally succeeded | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | nice | 19:16 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i haven't really analyzed the failures to know more about when it succeeds/fails | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | #topic gearman | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | so on my side, i wrote a new python gearman client that is much more suited to how we want to use it it zuul | 19:17 |
| zaro | this is depressing me | 19:17 |
| zaro | i've been debugging. | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/gear | 19:18 |
| zaro | finally figured out exactly why getting double builds. | 19:18 |
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| zaro | it is because error occurs when attempting to reregister functions while current build is running. | 19:18 |
| jeblair | zaro: i can't see a need to register functions while a build is running | 19:19 |
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| zaro | when error occurs on worker it will close the connection with gearman then reopen but build is still on gearman queue so it runs again. | 19:19 |
| zaro | jeblair: code i've got re-registers on events from jenkins. | 19:20 |
| jeblair | zaro: right, but it doesn't need to do that while a build is running | 19:20 |
| zaro | jeblair: you might want to register at anytime. | 19:20 |
| zaro | jeblair: you mean block until build finishes? | 19:21 |
| jeblair | zaro: functions are registered per-worker; a worker doesn't need to change its functions while a build is running | 19:21 |
| jeblair | zaro: i would postpone changing functions until after the build is complete (which i included in my sketch of a worker routine i sent the other day) | 19:22 |
| zaro | jeblair: i see what you mean. i was looking for a way to get more granular in registering, but didn't see a way. i can look again. | 19:22 |
| zaro | ok. will try this approach again. can't remember why i gave up last time. | 19:24 |
| jeblair | zaro: i'm of the opinion that the gearman-java GearmanWorkerImpl makes too many assumptions about how it's being used; I think we probably will need to write our own GearmanWorker. I'm still reading, but I'd like you to consider that as you continue to dig into it. | 19:24 |
| zaro | will do. | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | #topic pypi mirror/requirements | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | we are gating openstack/requirements on the ability to isntall all requirements together | 19:26 |
| jeblair | and when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26490/ merges, we will actually be running the requirements gate jobs for projects | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | we probably need to make the jobs and repo branch aware pretty soon... | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i think that depends on how openstack/requirements wants to handle branches. maybe a summit question. | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I do have a question about reviewing openstack/requirements. currently we have +2 and approve perms, but it seems like we should defer to the PTLs for most of those reviews? | 19:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think so. i only really intend on weighing in when it seems to affect build/test oriented things... | 19:29 |
| fungi | i've been refraining from approving them in most cases if it's only ci core votes on them, unless there's some urgency | 19:29 |
| fungi | usually only when it's breaking the gate or holding back a ci project | 19:30 |
| jeblair | i don't feel i have a lot of input on random library versions, so yeah, i'd say we should be conservative and mostly the openstack-common and ptls should be weighing in most of the time | 19:30 |
| jeblair | fungi: +1 | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | cool. I figured we had the perms to sort out problems, but wasnt sure if we had been asked to actuall manage the repo | 19:31 |
| fungi | er, poor wording. not a ci project but rather ci work on an openstack project which uses the requirements repo | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | markmc did explicitly want us to be involved, so afaik, we're not stepping on anyone's toes. | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | we didn't accidentally get perms to the repo, we really are supposed to have them. :) | 19:32 |
| jeblair | #topic releasing git-review | 19:32 |
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| fungi | it happened | 19:33 |
| jeblair | woo! | 19:33 |
| fungi | 1.21 is on pypi, manually this time | 19:33 |
| fungi | 1.22 may be automated, if the gods are willing | 19:33 |
| fungi | i've been running back through and closing out bug reports if they're fixed in 1.21 | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | fungi: do we need to schedule a chat (perhaps when mordred is around) about pbr/etc for git-review? | 19:34 |
| fungi | yes, some time in one of those rare moments when he's not on a plane | 19:34 |
| jeblair | fungi: i'll put it on the agenda so we don't forget | 19:34 |
| fungi | thanks | 19:34 |
| jeblair | #topic baremetal testing | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "baremetal testing (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:35 | |
| pleia2 | so the tripleo folks have been changing up diskimage-builder and how it creates the bootstrap node a bit | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | so I've been testing changes as it comes along so we're ready once they're ready to start doing formal testing | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | also been working on getting this going https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/README.md#developer-setup but keep bumping into issues with the instructions (they're a bit slim, need some local additions and modifications) | 19:37 |
| * ttx lurks | 19:37 | |
| jeblair | pleia2: they may have bitrotted too, let me know if you have questions | 19:37 |
| jeblair | pleia2: i haven't actually had to follow those in months | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | did have a wip-devstack-precise-1365534386.template.openstack.org started on hpcloud this morning though, even if it failed once it tried to grab hiera data from puppet | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: great, thanks | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | just trying to work with it to get a feel for how this works | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | (aside from just reading scripts) | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | that's about it though for baremetal | 19:38 |
| fungi | that's awesome progress | 19:38 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 19:39 |
| jeblair | pleia2: you may need to combine the 'install_jenkins_slave.sh' trick of running puppet apply with the devstack-gate developer setup to avoid it trying to talk to our puppetmaster | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: makes sense, thanks | 19:39 |
| fungi | pleia2: did you get past the sqlite db content requirements, i guess? | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, devananda got me sorted :) (I'll be updating the docs) | 19:39 |
| jeblair | pleia2: thanks much. :) | 19:39 |
| fungi | excellent | 19:39 |
| jeblair | i think the config portion of the sqlite db should become a yaml file (though the status portion should probably remain a sqlite db) | 19:40 |
| jeblair | that is not high on my todo list. :( | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | logstash | 19:41 |
| anteaya | o/ I added openstackwatch as an agenda item to the wrong wikipage | 19:41 |
| jeblair | anteaya: which page? | 19:41 |
| anteaya | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CITeamMeeting | 19:42 |
| fungi | anteaya: yeah should have been https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:42 |
| * clarkb blazes ahead with logstash because it should be short | 19:42 | |
| anteaya | yeah | 19:42 |
| anteaya | d'oh | 19:42 |
| jeblair | clarkb: go | 19:42 |
| clarkb | logstash is running on logstash.openstack.org. you can get the web gui and query it at http://logstash.openstack.org | 19:42 |
| jeblair | anteaya: (didn't know that existed; will delete) | 19:42 |
| anteaya | k | 19:42 |
| clarkb | currently all jenkins job console logs should be getting indexed there. | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I may delete data for cleanup purposes | 19:43 |
| clarkb | and some of the current data is ugly, but it is getting better as I add filters to logstash to properly parse things | 19:44 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i'd say feel free to delete/reset at will as we work this out up until (if/when) we decide logstash is the primary repository instead of logs.o.o | 19:44 |
| clarkb | over the course of 24 hours we have added over 21 million log lines | 19:44 |
| fungi | any feel for how much retention we can reasonably shoot for there? | 19:44 |
| clarkb | the index for today (UTC time) is up to almost 12GB compressed | 19:44 |
| clarkb | and this is just console logs | 19:44 |
| clarkb | at the end of today UTC time I will run the optimize operation on that index to see if that results in a smaller index | 19:45 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that is a lot. | 19:45 |
| clarkb | yeah, we may need to aggressively filter and/or run a proper elasticsearch cluster if we want to use this for long term storage | 19:46 |
| jeblair | clarkb: as in, almost certainly too much, especially since it's a fraction of what we're storing. | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I think we're averaging about 2G/day compressed in static form | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | fwiw I think logstash is viable as a short term storage location for easy querying | 19:46 |
| clarkb | then have an archive like logs.openstack.org for long term storage. | 19:47 |
| clarkb | then if we need to run the log-pusher script over particular logs to reshove them into logstash if we need something from the past | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | thats about all I have | 19:48 |
| jeblair | clarkb: if we have to compromise on what we use it for, we should actually set out some goals and requirements and make sure we achieve them. | 19:48 |
| jeblair | clarkb: good summit conversation fodder | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | reminds me, someone might want to check that my find command to rotate logs is behaving as expected | 19:48 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | pretty sure it should have deleted some by now | 19:48 |
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| fungi | pleia2: maybe not... as i said before i didn't restore any logs from prior to september 26 when i rebuilt the server | 19:49 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I think you are up | 19:49 |
| anteaya | openstackwatch is alive: http://rss.cdn.openstack.org/cinder.xml | 19:49 |
| anteaya | but serves no content | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | fungi: oh right, I had an off by one month in my head month-wise | 19:49 |
| anteaya | this is what it should be serving: http://rss.chmouel.com/cinder.xml | 19:49 |
| anteaya | so somewhere part of the script is not getting what it expected | 19:50 |
| anteaya | so the question came up, do we stay with making swift work or do we go with serving xml files | 19:50 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i thought the hypothesis was that review-dev was overwriting it? | 19:50 |
| anteaya | that was a potential hypothesis yes | 19:50 |
| anteaya | clarkb might be able to expand on that more | 19:50 |
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| fungi | jeblair: i chimed in later when i got back from dinner and pointed out that the config on review-dev lacks swift credentials, so could not | 19:51 |
| jeblair | ah | 19:51 |
| anteaya | I too had missed that, thank you fungi | 19:51 |
| anteaya | so in terms of a way forward | 19:51 |
| anteaya | stay with swift, or go with xml was my understanding of the question | 19:51 |
| fungi | and also suggested that the stdout capability openstackwatch has as a fallback would be a useful way to troubleshoot it | 19:52 |
| jeblair | yes, it seems the lack of content is a separate question from the output format. that just needs debugging. | 19:52 |
| anteaya | so at this point, do we have a way to debug what is running? | 19:52 |
| anteaya | at least to understand why no content is being served? | 19:53 |
| jeblair | i think it would be useful for this group to decide what we actually want to do with this | 19:53 |
| fungi | anteaya: you can run it yourself but don't put swift credentials in the config and it should spew on stdout what it would otherwise upload to swift | 19:53 |
| jeblair | what service are we trying to provide? and how should we host that service? | 19:53 |
| fungi | at least from what i could tell reading through the script | 19:53 |
| anteaya | yes, well chmouel's feed bears witness to that | 19:53 |
| anteaya | but I am at a loss as to why our configuration of the script serves no content | 19:54 |
| fungi | well, the short description is "rss feeds of new changes uploaded for review on individual projects" | 19:54 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think the service here is providing reviewers/interested parties an alternative to the gerrit project watches and email | 19:54 |
| chmouel | maybe it would be best to generate xml static file than uploading to swift? | 19:54 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that sounds like a useful service; so in that case, i think we should have it automatically generate a feed for every project on review.o.o | 19:55 |
| anteaya | chmouel any idea why our config would serve no content yet yours does? | 19:55 |
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| chmouel | humm i'm not sure | 19:55 |
| chmouel | let me check the scollback | 19:55 |
| fungi | chmouel: that's one suggestion which came up. basically modify it so that we serve those rss xml files directly from the apache instance our gerrit server | 19:55 |
| anteaya | chmouel: the script is the same: https://github.com/openstack-infra/jeepyb/blob/master/jeepyb/cmd/openstackwatch.py | 19:56 |
| jeblair | if we want to make this a more seamless integration with gerrit, then i think we sholud host it at review.o.o. perhaps at a url like 'review.openstack.org/rss/org/project.xml' | 19:56 |
| fungi | and then link that in the gerrit theme? | 19:56 |
| chmouel | jeblair: the proper solution would be that gerrit itself provide rss feeds :) | 19:56 |
| jeblair | we could have it either read project.yaml or 'gerrit ls-projects' to get the list | 19:56 |
| jeblair | chmouel: true. :) people so rarely volunteer for java hacking projects around here. | 19:57 |
| chmouel | heh fair java+xml is not much fun | 19:57 |
| jeblair | fungi: the theme linking will take some thought i think, especially a way to handle the per-project feeds | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: should we continue to mull on it and discuss it again next week? | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | I'm not feeling a decision is nigh | 19:58 |
| fungi | right, i'm not immediately coming up with any great ideas as to how to make that visible in the gerrit interface | 19:58 |
| fungi | the projects list is not something people hit often, for example | 19:59 |
| chmouel | next week is probably going to be beer^H^Hsummit time :) | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | plenty of time for discussion :) | 19:59 |
| * anteaya notes to use the correct wiki page next time | 19:59 | |
| jeblair | yeah, let's think about that. there's always just documenting it in the wiki; but it would be nice to get some kind of link going on. | 19:59 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| jeblair | see you next week, in person, i hope | 19:59 |
| ttx | see you all soon! | 19:59 |
| chmouel | see you soon! | 19:59 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 19:59:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-04-09-19.02.html | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-04-09-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-04-09-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | OK, our turn | 20:00 |
| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmc | hey | 20:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| notmyname | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | sdake, dolphm, annegentle, mikal, mordred, markwash, vishy, gabrielhurley: around ? | 20:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 20:01 |
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| ttx | We need one more to have quorum | 20:02 |
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| ttx | and here comes dolphm | 20:02 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 20:02:42 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Before we dive into licensing subtleties... Last minute chance to opt out of the TC members dinner on Wednesday, April 17, 6:30pm at Olympic Provisions NW | 20:03 |
| ttx | I know sdake can't join us... that would make 14 of us. | 20:03 |
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| markmc | that's a good crowd :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | Anyone up to call them for booking for 14 ? Will be better if they have a US phone number on the registration :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link http://www.olympicprovisions.com/northwest/reservations/ | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I can call them | 20:04 |
| annegentle | or I an | 20:04 |
| ttx | jgriffith: thanks! | 20:04 |
| annegentle | can even | 20:04 |
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| ttx | annegentle, jgriffith: just make sure one of you does it :) | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | ttx: what time Pacific did we settle on? | 20:04 |
| ttx | Wednesday, April 17, 6:30pm | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | K.. doing it now | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Discussion: Policy on use of GPL libraries | 20:05 |
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| annegentle | thanks jgriffith | 20:05 |
| ttx | jgriffith: let us know if it fails :) | 20:05 |
| ttx | markmc: care to introduce this one ? | 20:05 |
| markmc | I guess I'll recap the background to start | 20:05 |
| markmc | so, sdague noticed that cinder was using an AGPL library - rtslib | 20:05 |
| markmc | it's not anymore, so that's a non-issue now | 20:05 |
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| markmc | but it did raise the question of what process we use for looking at the licensing of new dependencies | 20:06 |
| markmc | especially given our bylaws statement about that the project must be distributable under the apache license | 20:06 |
| ttx | will the central dependency process give us a sufficient barrier to entry so that we can add some validation process ? | 20:07 |
| markmc | so, it's a question of process | 20:07 |
| fontana | markmc: the bylaws don't say that exactly :-) | 20:07 |
| markmc | fontana, ok :) | 20:07 |
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| ttx | markmc: see what you get when you invite lawyers :P | 20:07 |
| markmc | hehe | 20:07 |
| fontana | sorry | 20:07 |
| * fontana will try to restrain himself | 20:07 | |
| mikal | Morning | 20:07 |
| gabrielhurley | it's also something that core reviewers/PTLs just need to be aware of | 20:07 |
| markmc | ttx, the dependency process only enforces the checks we ask reviewers to enforce | 20:07 |
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| markmc | IMHO, it comes down to most permissive license are fine | 20:08 |
| ttx | markmc: right, but at least we can insert more process than compared to, say, a mailing-list post | 20:08 |
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| markmc | ttx, absolutely | 20:08 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, it's really only an issue for GPL/AGPL/LGPL licenses (or esoteric ones) | 20:08 |
| ttx | which was done about 20% of the time anyway | 20:08 |
| markmc | but in the specific case of GPL/AGPL and maybe other copyleft licenses, we need to have a rule or a process | 20:08 |
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| markmc | and the more fontana explains the nuances | 20:09 |
| fontana | I have noticed that OpenStack projects use quite a lot of LGPL dependencies | 20:09 |
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| markmc | I think we actually need a process to look at each case | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | dependecies are fine but inclusion is sticky IMO | 20:09 |
| gabrielhurley | that sounds like exactly the sort of the a Technical Committee would be responsible for... ;-) | 20:09 |
| gabrielhurley | *thing | 20:09 |
| markmc | gabrielhurley, right, exactly | 20:09 |
| markmc | but do any of us want to make licensing calls on our own? | 20:10 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: sounds boring. Did we sign up to do boring ? :) | 20:10 |
| markmc | or do we want the support of e.g. the Legal Affairs Committee | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | new dependencies now need to go through the requirements list project, could a license check be part of that review process | 20:10 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll make those decisions. unilaterally. because I can. ;-) | 20:10 |
| markmc | dhellmann, absolutely | 20:10 |
| fontana | I think it is important to understand something about the Legal Affairs Committee | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | so at least there's a point where the review can happen, and every ptl (or core team) doesn't have to worry about it | 20:10 |
| dolphm_ | dwcramer: +1 | 20:10 |
| dolphm_ | dhellmann: * | 20:11 |
| mikal | fontana: explain away | 20:11 |
| markmc | yeah | 20:11 |
| * markmc is more or less done | 20:11 | |
| gabrielhurley | dhellmann: point for inserting review: +1, PTLs/core reviewers *not* worrying about: -1 | 20:11 |
| markmc | and knows fontana has lots of interesting viewpoints on all of this | 20:11 |
| fontana | Which is that the Legal Affairs Committee doesn't necessarily have more competence to make decisions on this than any of you do | 20:11 |
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| fontana | Trust me on that. | 20:11 |
| fontana | If you want to pretend that it does, okay. I can tell you what the likely result will be. | 20:12 |
| ttx | fontana: could the Legal Affairs Committee give guidelines on what should be acceptable, that reviewers could use in reviewing new dependencies proposed ? | 20:12 |
| markmc | fontana, would you say a committee with that title should have that competence? | 20:12 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'll update on the reservation before we break | 20:12 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx: I've seen that go very badly before. see NASA. | 20:12 |
| fontana | markmc: I am not sure. | 20:12 |
| mikal | I do think having some rules of thumb we share with the community is a good idea | 20:13 |
| mikal | Otherwise we'll be starting the conversation from scratch for each dependancy | 20:13 |
| markmc | indeed | 20:13 |
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| markmc | and I think we know roughly what the rule of thumb is | 20:13 |
| gabrielhurley | I propose that the TC + Legal Affairs draft a general set of "what we know is acceptable, and what we know is *not* acceptable" and then deal with individual grey area cases as they arise. That'd cover the 90% case, right? | 20:13 |
| fontana | I think the TC should be as involved in this as the Legal Affairs Committee | 20:14 |
| markmc | fontana, agree on that | 20:14 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 20:14 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:14 |
| mikal | +1 | 20:14 |
| fontana | Understand, the Legal Affairs Committee knows nothing about OpenStack, Python, etc | 20:14 |
| fontana | Open source licensing. | 20:14 |
| mikal | I think once we have a rhythmn of what to look for it shouldn't take too much time | 20:15 |
| markmc | gabrielhurley, one idea fontana had is to compile the list of acceptable license by looking at our current set of dependencies | 20:15 |
| markmc | gabrielhurley, any license in there is almost by definition acceptable | 20:15 |
| gabrielhurley | markmc: that'd be a good place to start | 20:15 |
| markmc | I have to say, though, I'm not sure at this point what I'd add to the *not* acceptable list | 20:15 |
| markmc | well, AGPL say | 20:16 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, GPL variants. Anything the has a requirement that the code including it also be it's license type. | 20:16 |
| fontana | I have expressed concern about discrimination against AGPL. There are lots of bad licenses out there. | 20:16 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | So we should probably seperate concerns regarding inclusion and dependencies | 20:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | fontana: what do you mean by "concern about discrimination against AGPL"? | 20:17 |
| markmc | gabrielhurley, well, we're talking about libraries here - so, not 'including it' but (for python) 'importing it' | 20:17 |
| fontana | jgriffiths: 'inclusion' = actually using code under some non-Apache license in an OpenStack project source tree? | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | fontana: yes | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | That's actually what started this in Cinder | 20:18 |
| fontana | gabrielhurley: Like, all other conceivable licenses are okay other than AGPL. A license that says 'no commercial use allowed' is okay. Or an obscure license with an AGPL-like condition (there are several OSI-approved ones). | 20:18 |
| markmc | jgriffith, cinder didn't include AGPL code, it used it as library | 20:18 |
| gabrielhurley | fontana: that's what I thought you meant, just wanted to be sure. agreed. | 20:18 |
| gabrielhurley | any copyleft license is a problem. | 20:18 |
| jgriffith | markmc: yes, but that's not how this started | 20:18 |
| fontana | gabrielhurley: Including LGPL? | 20:18 |
| mordred | lgpl isn't copyleft | 20:19 |
| dolphm_ | gabrielhurley: is copyleft the source of the issue? | 20:19 |
| fontana | LGPL is copyleft. | 20:19 |
| markmc | hehe | 20:19 |
| mordred | in the same way | 20:19 |
| markmc | in the "viral" sense I guess mordred means | 20:19 |
| fontana | Okay | 20:19 |
| gabrielhurley | lgpl is "modified copyleft", not true copyleft | 20:19 |
| markmc | that what all this comes down to, no? | 20:19 |
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| mordred | it does not require transferrance of copyright terms | 20:19 |
| mordred | I believe 'viral' is the issue | 20:19 |
| fontana | You are reasonably assuming that using an LGPL library has no frightening consequences for OpenStack | 20:19 |
| gabrielhurley | that ^^^ | 20:19 |
| mordred | yes. I am | 20:20 |
| fontana | The Apache Software Foundation would disagree with you. I don't disagree, at least in most cases. | 20:20 |
| gabrielhurley | heh | 20:20 |
| mordred | the LGPL is essentially the BSD | 20:20 |
| mordred | and I don't agree with many things the apache foundation says | 20:20 |
| fontana | mordred: that is probably a good thing | 20:20 |
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| * gabrielhurley is with mordred on this one | 20:20 | |
| gabrielhurley | there may be intricacies that could be nasty, but again in the 90% case I believe it would be safe | 20:21 |
| mordred | I think the problem is that we have chosen the apache license for our project and do not want to unwittingly wind up shipping a project which causes ours to be licensed differently, yeah? | 20:21 |
| fontana | anyway the knowledge that many LGPL libraries are being used was what made me think of approaching this by seeing what is actually being done and working out a policy from that | 20:21 |
| mordred | fontana: ++ | 20:21 |
| mikal | I certainly think an audit of the current state is required | 20:21 |
| mikal | So that's not wasted effort | 20:21 |
| markmc | fontana, I'd always assumed LGPL would be on the list of acceptable licenses for library dependencies | 20:21 |
| mordred | pypi.openstack.org/openstack has the entirety of the dependencies that we use on a python basis | 20:22 |
| mordred | including non-declared transtive | 20:22 |
| fontana | Oh, that is useful | 20:22 |
| markmc | question is whether (the TC thinks that) OpenStack can (ever?) use a GPL library and the result be that OpenStack must now be distributed under the GPL ? | 20:22 |
| mordred | it does not include c librarises such as libxml or libvirt | 20:22 |
| jeblair | (strictly speaking a superset because old ones are not purged) | 20:22 |
| markmc | fontana, and I think you were (on the mailing list) making a reasonable case that we should consider each such case separately | 20:22 |
| jeblair | (and so requires double checking of current state, but is otherwise a great start for what mordred suggested) | 20:22 |
| mordred | markmc: I believe that gets down to what the author of that gpl library believes derivative work is | 20:23 |
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| fontana | markmc: I object to any legal conclusion that using a GPL library requires OpenStack to be distributed under the GPL. This is contradicted by the practices of numerous open source projects. | 20:23 |
| mordred | markmc: since they are the ones licensing their work to us for our use under a set of terms | 20:23 |
| dolphm_ | i don't see an issue with LGPL's copyleft ... unless we're forking something distributed under LGPL and branding it as an openstack component | 20:23 |
| mordred | fontana: MySQL/Oracle would argue the opposite, of course :) | 20:23 |
| mordred | thus the specific licensing of libmysqlclient | 20:24 |
| markmc | fontana, do you think the TC would be wise to add GPL to the list of "always acceptable" licenses? | 20:24 |
| fontana | mordred: true | 20:24 |
| mordred | I believe it's a grey area | 20:24 |
| markmc | that using a GPL licensed library never has scary consequences for OpenStack? | 20:24 |
| fontana | markmc: No | 20:24 |
| markmc | right, cool | 20:24 |
| markmc | grey area :) | 20:24 |
| mordred | yay. because we need more grey areas here :) | 20:24 |
| fontana | markmc: I just want to say that I think some of this is coming out of superstition | 20:24 |
| mordred | fontana: ++ | 20:24 |
| markmc | fontana, I'm persuaded on that :) | 20:25 |
| fontana | I recognize you have to deal with that superstition. You don't want licensing FUD to hurt OpenStack | 20:25 |
| gabrielhurley | anything which is GPL (not LGPL) will absolutely need closer review, if not be denied. | 20:25 |
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| gabrielhurley | the GPL's terms are quite strict but also full of holes | 20:25 |
| markmc | ok, so if we're all happy with this idea of a review process for grey areas like GPL libraries | 20:25 |
| markmc | what should the review process be? | 20:25 |
| dolphm_ | gabrielhurley: +1 | 20:26 |
| markmc | if e.g. the TC wants to make that call itself? | 20:26 |
| fontana | markmc: What I'd think is that in vast majority of cases GPL library would not be okay | 20:26 |
| markmc | fontana, ok, interesting | 20:26 |
| mikal | I think until we understand the parameters better covering additions in TC meetings is a good idea | 20:26 |
| gabrielhurley | fontana: I second that | 20:26 |
| mordred | mikal: ++ | 20:26 |
| mikal | Once we have it down to something routine, we can hand it off if we want to | 20:26 |
| mordred | I believe we can safely say that new things licensed Apache2 or BSD or MIT are pretty safe, yeah? | 20:26 |
| markmc | so, we come up with guidelines over time by looking at each case individually? | 20:27 |
| mordred | and things licensed GPL need to come to the TC for further discussion? | 20:27 |
| mikal | markmc: yeah | 20:27 |
| markmc | sounds good | 20:27 |
| fontana | Clearly anything Apache2 is safe :-) | 20:27 |
| mikal | Well, obviously correct things can be a one sentence email to the TC list | 20:27 |
| mikal | That way there's a paper trail (for example if a dependancy changes its license later) | 20:27 |
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| markmc | do we want help for the grey area reviews from esteemed persons like fontana? | 20:27 |
| markmc | or good doing it on our own? | 20:27 |
| fontana | Another issue though is I do not know how accurate license designations for PyPI are | 20:27 |
| dolphm_ | who's core on openstack/requirements? | 20:28 |
| ttx | also current analysis will go a long way to set expectations correctly | 20:28 |
| mikal | ttx: agreed | 20:28 |
| jeblair | fontana: often inaccurate, sometimes the metadata even contradicts itself | 20:28 |
| mikal | markmc: I think we should escalate to experts whenever we feel the need to | 20:28 |
| gabrielhurley | fontana: they're about 75% accurate in my experience | 20:28 |
| fontana | jeblair: that was what I was afraid of | 20:28 |
| gabrielhurley | I have definitely contacted authors in the past to clarify their licenses | 20:28 |
| fontana | 75% is better than I thought | 20:29 |
| mikal | We can use dnspython as a practise run! | 20:29 |
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| markmc | mikal, seems pretty clear cut permissive :) | 20:30 |
| ttx | so, I think we first need to do a complete analysis of current deps | 20:30 |
| ttx | and have a process in place when a new dep is added, so that licensing is at least considered | 20:30 |
| mikal | I am a bit worried cores will forget to do this when something gets added to the pip files | 20:31 |
| jeblair | i believe VanL was interested in a current-dep analysis as well | 20:31 |
| ttx | which means, making openstack/requirement a necessary step for adding deps | 20:31 |
| markmc | it already is, no? | 20:31 |
| fontana | jeblair: yes, re VanL | 20:31 |
| mordred | markmc: yes, it is | 20:31 |
| mordred | we have a gating job for that now | 20:31 |
| ttx | markmc: for all projects ? ok | 20:31 |
| mordred | it runs when you change requires files | 20:32 |
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| mikal | I can't see a wiki page for openstack/requirement. Do we need one? | 20:33 |
| ttx | who is working on current dependencies analysis ? Should we use some etherpad to share the load ? | 20:33 |
| gabrielhurley | is it possible to add another field to gerrit for "license approved"? on the dependencies project? | 20:33 |
| jeblair | mikal: i started a stub here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Requirements | 20:33 |
| jeblair | mikal: if the requirements job fails, it links to that page | 20:33 |
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| mordred | gabrielhurley: we'd have to add that field for all projects :( | 20:34 |
| gabrielhurley | darn. too bad | 20:34 |
| mikal | jeblair: ahhh, cool | 20:34 |
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| ttx | fontana: did you start an analysis on the legal affairs committee side ? | 20:36 |
| fontana | ttx: not sure, VanL talked about it in an email which you may have been on - I missed last couple of calls | 20:36 |
| fontana | ttx: oh, if by analysis you mean the policy analysis... not really | 20:37 |
| ttx | no, meant current dependency licensing lists | 20:37 |
| fontana | ttx: I don't think so. VanL is in charge of seeing that that is done I guess | 20:37 |
| ttx | ok, so it looks like we could add comments to the *-requires files about dep licensing when known | 20:37 |
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| ttx | markmc: anything you'd see as the next step ? | 20:38 |
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| markmc | ttx, just the review of current deps licenses | 20:39 |
| markmc | I guess we need to let openstack/requirements folks know they should check licenses too | 20:39 |
| ttx | markmc: would you rather etherpad it or submit comments to openstack/requirements ? | 20:39 |
| ttx | the latter is a bit more painful but also lasts longer | 20:40 |
| mikal | Comments sounds better to me | 20:40 |
| dolphm_ | could include the license of each dep as in the openstack/requirements repo, which will make it easy for reviewers to see that a particular license has already been reviewed as acceptable | 20:40 |
| dolphm_ | then you just have to double check that the author specified the correct license | 20:40 |
| ttx | #action start licensing analysis by adding comments to *-requires files in openstack/requirements | 20:40 |
| ttx | further discussion at the dependency management session at the Design Summit | 20:41 |
| mordred | don't forget when doing analysis - transitive depends | 20:41 |
| ttx | http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/662c7d06e08b846e64c07efb41101c34 | 20:41 |
| ttx | So, now the bad news. | 20:41 |
| mordred | uhoh | 20:42 |
| ttx | The restaurant is full on Wednesday night | 20:42 |
| ttx | until 9 | 20:42 |
| mordred | WHATT? | 20:42 |
| gabrielhurley | ha | 20:42 |
| mordred | do they know who we are? | 20:42 |
| mordred | :) | 20:42 |
| ttx | and let's say that the neighborhood for the RAX party isn't full of other options | 20:42 |
| ttx | so... | 20:42 |
| ttx | we can move to another day (probably a bad idea) | 20:42 |
| ttx | we can have dinner at 9 (probably a bad idea) | 20:43 |
| ttx | we can go to another restaurant and get to the RAX party by our own means | 20:43 |
| annegentle | yeah find another restaurant. Boo hoo | 20:44 |
| ttx | then hit on 6 cabs to run from there to the party, since public transport is not really an option | 20:44 |
| gabrielhurley | there's plenty of good food in Portland... we can just grab a couple cabs. | 20:44 |
| markwash | we can just eat donuts together in a parking lot | 20:45 |
| mikal | LOL | 20:45 |
| gabrielhurley | I prefer pie | 20:45 |
| ttx | anyone has a suggestion for a restaurant ? Otherwise I'll do proper research tomorrow :) | 20:45 |
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| annegentle | sorry I don't, and your research is good research :) | 20:46 |
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| gabrielhurley | Portland City Grill is lovely, just to throw an option out there | 20:46 |
| dolphm_ | i've been told to go to http://www.yelp.com/biz/andina-portland | 20:46 |
| ttx | dolphm_: been there, pretty good | 20:46 |
| markwash | faint praise? or endorsement? | 20:47 |
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| markwash | nevermind | 20:47 |
| ttx | I'll have a proposal up tomorrow :) | 20:47 |
| * markwash <3s peruvian | 20:47 | |
| markwash | mordred: should we talk about image-building in openstack? | 20:48 |
| markwash | and where something like that should live, projectwise? | 20:49 |
| mordred | markwash: we can - or we can just do it over beer next week | 20:49 |
| markwash | as you wish | 20:49 |
| ttx | OK, anything more before we close ? | 20:49 |
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| ttx | I guess not | 20:50 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 20:51:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-04-09-20.02.html | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-04-09-20.02.txt | 20:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-04-09-20.02.log.html | 20:51 |
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| ttx | Looks like Andina would be good, we can even take a bus to go there from the Convention Center | 21:00 |
| dolphm_ | awesome, i was really hoping to make it there | 21:01 |
| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, gabrielhurley, markmcclain, sdake, jd__: around ? | 21:01 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | o/ | 21:01 |
| markmc | yep | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | dolphm_: will send message to make sure nobody has some issue with peru | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | ./ | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 21:02:22 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:02 |
| ttx | We won't be doing per-project status today, as the agenda is a bit different | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | should be quick | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic Grizzly release post-mortem | 21:02 |
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| ttx | So... The Grizzly common release was published last week | 21:03 |
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| ttx | While it's hot, anything you would like to raise that we need to better address next time ? | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Nova had its share of bugs that flew below release radar until just after release | 21:03 |
| ttx | In particular https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1158958 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1162409 | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1158958 in oslo "Nova API Memcached Encoding Error" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:04 |
| gabrielhurley | the translation string freeze/translation re-integration could probably be a little more coordinated. Otherwise I liked the pacing of this release. | 21:04 |
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| ttx | markmc: vishy wanted to consider an early point release to fix the most obvious stuff | 21:04 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: yes, i'm not sure we picked up the latest translations once RC1 was cut | 21:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I think it was *inconsistent* | 21:06 |
| markmc | ttx, sounds good - Daviey and apevec were talking about that too on the stable-maint list | 21:06 |
| apevec | ttx, vishy, how early? | 21:06 |
| vishy | well currently we are identifiying the performance problem | 21:07 |
| vishy | there are a couple critical fixes which we should address asap | 21:07 |
| vishy | but we haven't fully fixed one of them yet :( | 21:07 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: we globally still need to have a more polished story when it comes to translations. What we translate, how we integrate them, how we use them. | 21:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | indeed. I think there are folks working on that at the summit | 21:08 |
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| ttx | vishy: the main thing is to get the fix in stable/grizzly. point release is the cherry on top of the cake | 21:08 |
| ttx | annegentle: how is Grizzly documentation release going ? | 21:08 |
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| markmc | gabrielhurley, kinda randomly, you might be interested in http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/17d2bd1f676d9843756b4e0cbda7af93 | 21:08 |
| gabrielhurley | markmc: thanks for the link. I knew it was happening but hadn't looked for when. | 21:09 |
| annegentle | gabrielhurley: we have a docs translation session Mon. at 1:50 | 21:09 |
| annegentle | http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/b85bf7ac93e121e96dd9a6af16ffa8be#.UWRFvdNAT2k | 21:09 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll try and attend anything i18n related just on principle. people in the community are stepping up on it more though, which is great. | 21:10 |
| ttx | <ttx> annegentle: how is Grizzly documentation release going ? | 21:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: getting there but we don't have to take up Horizon meeting time :) | 21:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: oh sorry I'm confused on my meetings :) | 21:12 |
| annegentle | #info in our doc team meeting today we decided to release after the summit | 21:12 |
| ttx | annegentle: indeed. You have plenty of time :) | 21:12 |
| annegentle | we need more testing | 21:12 |
| annegentle | esp. for install docs of course | 21:12 |
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| annegentle | I have 2 testers, one for RHEL, one for Ubuntu | 21:13 |
| annegentle | My best guess is either by 4/26 or by 5/10. | 21:13 |
| annegentle | You can tell I'm reallll accurate | 21:13 |
| annegentle | :) | 21:13 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt said in our meeting this morning that "most" of the DocImpact bugs are addressed, but if you logged a DocImpact, it's really on you to follow up | 21:15 |
| ttx | anything anyone wanted to add on the Grizzly postmortem topic ? | 21:15 |
| annegentle | but I think DocImpact had a good impact this release | 21:15 |
| annegentle | #info if you logged a DocImpact in the Grizzly release, please look into the docs for the impact | 21:15 |
| gabrielhurley | on a related topic | 21:16 |
| gabrielhurley | there's probably a wiki page about the tags we use, but it'd be helpful to have something that put them more forward in peoples' minds | 21:16 |
| gabrielhurley | I myself forget to tag things frequently, or can't remembe what the right tag to use is | 21:16 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: you can edit the list of official tags in LP | 21:16 |
| * gabrielhurley didn't know there was one | 21:17 | |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+manage-official-tags | 21:17 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: affects autocomplete | 21:17 |
| gabrielhurley | interesting | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic 2012.2.4 stable release | 21:17 |
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| ttx | markmc, apevec: floor is yours | 21:17 |
| markmc | we're almost ready to go, I think | 21:18 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: (and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug_Tags) | 21:18 |
| markmc | a couple of reviews in cinder for the nec driver | 21:18 |
| ttx | I checked that there were no missing files in the tarballs, fwiw | 21:18 |
| markmc | but apart from that, it's been quiet since the freeze | 21:18 |
| markmc | ttx, thanks, was there a worry there? | 21:18 |
| apevec | and in quantum for pfc driver | 21:18 |
| ttx | markmc: no. Just doublechecking :) | 21:19 |
| apevec | ttx, thanks | 21:19 |
| markmc | so, seems good to go to me, unless anyone has any concerns | 21:19 |
| ttx | sounds good | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Summit schedule adjustment fair | 21:20 |
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| ttx | Design Summit schedule is up at http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit | 21:21 |
| ttx | We are still missing Glance and Horizon schedules | 21:21 |
| gabrielhurley | I just pushed mine | 21:21 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: hmm, recently then :) | 21:21 |
| gabrielhurley | 5 minutes ago | 21:21 |
| ttx | hah | 21:21 |
| ttx | got me again | 21:21 |
| * gabrielhurley is multi-tasking | 21:21 | |
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| ttx | markwash: any ETA for yours ? | 21:22 |
| markwash | ttx: I'd prefer tomorrow night if that is okay | 21:22 |
| ttx | markwash: will do | 21:22 |
| markwash | some things are getting squashed together, and I want a chance for a little more glance team feedback (tomorrow at the glance meeting) | 21:23 |
| ttx | markwash: if you have partial content you can still push it though | 21:23 |
| ttx | I know people start looking into their session selection, so the sooner the better | 21:23 |
| markwash | ttx: ah, okay, I'll push what I have so far today | 21:23 |
| markwash | good point! | 21:23 |
| ttx | markwash: no problem pushing multiple times | 21:23 |
| ttx | markwash: the only thing the sync doesn't do is removing sessions if you suppress some | 21:24 |
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| ttx | OK, so if you want to ask for small adjustments so that you can avoid being double-booked, now is a good time to ask | 21:24 |
| dolphm_ | we just discovered this morning that the 'security' track got scheduled on the same day as the keystone track, which presents some conflicts... any chance we can move anything around? | 21:24 |
| ttx | dolphm_: it's quite tricky at this point | 21:25 |
| markwash | I don't know of any reason why Glance is married to Wednesday | 21:25 |
| markwash | but it wouldn't be the first important thing I just don't know about | 21:25 |
| jd__ | yeah I already sent a mail to move a nova and quantum session, but I'm under the impression that russellb and markmcclain aren't around? | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | I'm here | 21:26 |
| russellb | i'm here | 21:26 |
| russellb | been on a plane all day, so haven't seen the mail | 21:26 |
| jd__ | wrong impression :) | 21:26 |
| jd__ | http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/c44c71996bf04d28d8eb926031312974#.UWPcc5BzTf0 and http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/dd227871952ae6a572658d16d8272f7c#.UWPcdJBzTf0 | 21:27 |
| jd__ | and both are about Ceilometer | 21:27 |
| jd__ | which is great, but if one could be moved so us Ceilometer folks can participates in both that'd be awesome | 21:27 |
| russellb | seems reasonable | 21:27 |
| ttx | dolphm_: to minimize changes we would have to swap two topics, and Thursday is the only one with 9 slots | 21:27 |
| jd__ | ttx: btw do you happen to know who handles the scheduling of talks etc? | 21:28 |
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| dolphm_ | ttx: understandable | 21:28 |
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| ttx | and Swift and Heat need to happen "not on Thursday"' | 21:28 |
| ttx | jd__: each conference track has its own group of people | 21:29 |
| dolphm_ | there's at least 4 'security' sessions where it would make sense to have a strong keystone-core presence in attendance | 21:29 |
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| ttx | hyakuhei_ is the lead for the security track | 21:30 |
| russellb | markmcclain: i'll move the nova+ceilometer one | 21:30 |
| ttx | i don't think he has the option to move any of it on another day now | 21:30 |
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| ttx | dolphm_: no, I don't really see a good solution for the issue at this point. one or two weeks ago we could probably have tried something, but now that everything was scheduled and published... | 21:32 |
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| dolphm_ | it's not critical, we'll try to work around it... sorry we didn't notice sooner :( | 21:32 |
| jd__ | thanks russellb | 21:32 |
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| ttx | dolphm_: you can still watch the presentations videos... | 21:33 |
| russellb | jd__: markmcclain shold be all set now | 21:33 |
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| ttx | anything else ? | 21:34 |
| jd__ | russellb: thanks! | 21:34 |
| russellb | np | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | russellb: cool | 21:35 |
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| ttx | OK, so if you need further adjustments you can just contact the topic lead so that he moves things around | 21:36 |
| ttx | use with caution, as the move is likely to piss off someone else | 21:36 |
| ttx | and remember that there is no way to please everyone | 21:37 |
| ttx | anyone has anything else to add ? | 21:37 |
| ttx | questions about the summit ? | 21:37 |
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| * russellb is excited to see you all | 21:38 | |
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| ttx | I guess no questions | 21:40 |
| ttx | well, you know where to ask if you have some | 21:40 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 21:40:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-04-09-21.02.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-04-09-21.02.txt | 21:40 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 22:01:27 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | hello horizon peoples! | 22:01 |
| jpich | Hello! | 22:01 |
| david-lyle | hello | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic general announcements | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | Grizzly was released! Congratulations everyone! | 22:02 |
| kspear | howdy | 22:02 |
| kspear | woo! | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | In other news the Horizon track for the summit is scheduled all throughout Tuesday next week. I look forward to seeing many of you there. :-) | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | #info no horizon project meeting on IRC next week. come to Portland. ;-) | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | I'm very excited to talk about things like the Keystone v3 API/domains, and integrating Heat and Ceilometer. Should be great stuff. | 22:04 |
| jpich | Very sad I'll be missing the keystone v3 one, take good notes people :-) | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | are you double-booked during that slot? | 22:04 |
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| jpich | gabrielhurley: I'm co-giving the talk about internships at the same time | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | ah, gotcha | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I was trying to avoid obvious conflicts between quantum session + other quantum talks, etc. | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | didn't know about that one | 22:06 |
| jpich | I thought I sent you an email about it last week | 22:06 |
| jpich | That's why etherpad are there anyway :) | 22:06 |
| jpich | vkmc is presenting too | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | ah, yes, you did send me that, but the short version is that switching sessions around is really painful | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | if you followed the Project Status meeting that happens the hour before this one, you'll know what I mean | 22:07 |
| jpich | Fair enough | 22:08 |
| jpich | I'll catch up the logs for the project meeting | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | I may look at whether it makes sense to try and flip something, but I can't promise anything | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | *flip something within the Horizon slots | 22:08 |
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| gabrielhurley | anyhow, summit next week. good times! | 22:08 |
| jpich | Yeah it's so close to the summit now, I understand | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | I honestly don't think I have anything else on my agenda for this meeting. | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | anybody else want the floor? | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | well exellent | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | I will never compain about short meetings | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | see y'all next week! | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 22:12:22 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-04-09-22.01.html | 22:12 |
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| kspear | bye, see you next week! | 22:12 |
| jpich | yep, bye everyone | 22:13 |
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