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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 20 15:59:49 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 15:59 |
| bswartz | hello | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Seen a number folks lurking.. | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | hey | 16:00 |
| jgallard | hello | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | No winston? | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | vincent? | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | hemnafk: | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | eharney: | 16:00 |
| rushiagr | hi! | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Let's get started | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | I failed to update the wiki but that's ok | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | easy meeting today | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #topic RC2 | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | So since everybody decided to wait for RC1 for all of the driver bugs... | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | and there were a number of new things discovered in core | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | we're going to do an RC2 | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | I plan to cut this tomorrow | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | I need some updates from folks on a few things though | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: Do you hve any updates on the oslo sync Ollie started? | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | hmmm.... guess not | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | No news I'm afraid. Will see if there is any by the end of the meeting | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: k, thanks | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: otherwise I'll see if I can finish it | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | ahh.. vincent_hou | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:04 |
| vincent_hou | hey | 16:04 |
| vincent_hou | how are u | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: good thanks.. you? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: I have some questions on a few of your bugs :) | 16:04 |
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| vincent_hou | jgriffith: i am fine | 16:05 |
| vincent_hou | yes | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1157042 | 16:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1157042 in nova "VMs and volumes can be accessed in a different tenant by a different user" [Undecided,Triaged] | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | The DB api filters seems to filter out the context appropriately when I tested this | 16:05 |
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| hemna | morning | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | hemna: :) | 16:06 |
| vincent_hou | i do this test yersterday | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: yeah, very odd | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: That's a very serious issue if you can reproduce it | 16:06 |
| vincent_hou | i thought the vm and volumes are not isolated among users | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | One question: Is the second user an admin user? | 16:07 |
| vincent_hou | no | 16:07 |
| vincent_hou | it can be any user | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | I can't reproduce this as normal users | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: it seems very odd | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: especially when list doesn't show it but delete works | 16:07 |
| vincent_hou | right | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | delete uses the same mechanism to get the volume as list | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | unfortunately the nova side was marked as triaged but I don't think anybody actually tried it yet | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: I guess the only thing to do at this point... | 16:09 |
| vincent_hou | jgriffith: here is what i did | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: k... go on | 16:09 |
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| vincent_hou | i opened two terminals on one machine. set different users and tenants to two of these terminals. | 16:09 |
| vincent_hou | do u think it is a correct way? | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | sure... that should be fine | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: I know this is an awful question to ask, but is it possible you got mixed up on which terminal had which settings? | 16:11 |
| vincent_hou | ok. that was how i did the tests | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: alright, how about you try and reproduce it again on a fresh devstack install | 16:11 |
| vincent_hou | one terminal username=admin and tenant=admin; the other username=cinder and tenant=service | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | If you can reproduce it, ping me and we'll detail exactly how you did it | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: ohhh.... ummmm | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: admin and service tenants have some elevated privelleges | 16:12 |
| vincent_hou | it is from a fresh install | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | that *could* have something to do with it | 16:12 |
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| vincent_hou | oh i expected user and tenant can both separate resources | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT | vincent_hou: Normal tenants/users do, but service and admin are special... they shouldn't be used for normal operations | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: I believe what you saw is expected | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: the other thing to keep in mind is that devstack sets a number of special permissions for service and admin accounts | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | You can view these via the dashboard or from keystoneclient if you want | 16:16 |
| vincent_hou | ok. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | but I think that explains it | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | phewww | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I was very worried last night, that's obviously a HUGE security issue | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | alright... moving on | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | ollie: I saw you drop in :) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | ollie: welcome | 16:17 |
| ollie | hi | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | ollie: any thoughts on the OSLO update patch? | 16:17 |
| vincent_hou | i need to check more about the permission in keystone | 16:17 |
| ollie | Duncan poked me, | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:17 |
| ollie | I won;'t get to that patch until next week I think | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: is tired of me poking him :) | 16:17 |
| ollie | :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | ollie: ok, next week will be too late | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | ollie: mind if I try to finish it out? | 16:17 |
| hemna | what needs to be updated from oslo? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | hemna: well at the very least lockutils | 16:18 |
| ollie | sorry about that, wrestling with some billing issues at the moment | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | hemna: rpcnotifier | 16:18 |
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| hemna | want me to give it a go? | 16:18 |
| ollie | sure, | 16:18 |
| hemna | I can try working on that today | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hemna: sure if you have the bandwidth | 16:18 |
| ollie | theres a bug open | 16:18 |
| hemna | url? | 16:18 |
| ollie | moment | 16:18 |
| vincent_hou | folks, how about this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1155512 | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1155512 in nova "Issues with booting from the volume" [Undecided,New] | 16:18 |
| vincent_hou | yes | 16:19 |
| vincent_hou | uvirtbot: u have me | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | vincent_hou: Error: "u" is not a valid command. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: so a couple things; | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | 1. did you set the security rules on the firewall to allow ping/ssh | 16:19 |
| ollie | hemna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1157126 | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1157126 in cinder "rpc notifier should be copied into openstack common" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:19 |
| hemna | ollie, thanks | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | 2. what image did you use? Cirros as I recall has some issues sometimes | 16:20 |
| vincent_hou | yes | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: regardless, failure to ping typically for me points to nova-net/quantum | 16:20 |
| vincent_hou | the strange thing is it worked for booting from image , but not volume | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: k... I'll take another look at that one too then | 16:21 |
| vincent_hou | hmm. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: and you did use cirros? | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | What did the console log from the boot show? | 16:21 |
| vincent_hou | yes | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: I only test BFV with *real* images | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | nothing against cirros... it's great | 16:21 |
| vincent_hou | there is no error showing in the log | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | vincent_hou: so you can't ping the private or floating IP from the compute node? | 16:22 |
| avishay | hi all, sorry i'm late | 16:22 |
| vincent_hou | private | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | avishay: evening | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | seems very strange | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | ok.. I'll have a look at it | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: You going to be online for a bit? | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | back to our regularly scheduled program.... | 16:23 |
| vincent_hou | after the meeting i will go to bed | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: so you got what you need to take a look at the OSLO stuff? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: You should be able to just pull Ollies patch | 16:23 |
| hemna | It looks like we just need to pull in rpcnotifier | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: Well... | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | not really | 16:23 |
| hemna | ok | 16:23 |
| hemna | I see his patch failed | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24774/ | 16:24 |
| hemna | I'll have to look into that | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, so my thought was... try to fix all the crap that broke | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | sure you want this one still? | 16:24 |
| hemna | hehe I'll see what I can do | 16:24 |
| hemna | if I get stuck I'll ping you | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | k... keep me posted | 16:24 |
| hemna | ok will do | 16:25 |
| hemna | I'll let you know either way throughout the day today | 16:25 |
| vincent_hou | it is huge patch | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | So I have a question for everybody too.... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Have all of you submitted your driver changes? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | are we done with that now? | 16:25 |
| hemna | we are done for G afaik. | 16:25 |
| avishay | jgriffith: as far as i know, i am. hopefully no more bugs pop up. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | We really need to be moving on to the bugs in the core project and docs | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I hear that :) | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | I haven't gone back to my driver but I've been focusing on all the other project stuff so mine will be late | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | but, I think we're at a point where we need to put a line in the sand and get this thing out the door | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: how about from your end? | 16:27 |
| bswartz | the NetApp driver has one bug I'd like to fix, only if the fix is a small change. if it's a big change I'll wait | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: k | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | #bugs | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | #topic rc2 targets | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-rc2 | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | So this is what I have *officially* | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | I could use some help triaging the bug list | 16:28 |
| hemna | 7 on the list for RC2 | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: for now, correct | 16:29 |
| avishay | jgriffith: will keep working on the bug list | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thanks, would like to see some other folks take a look as well | 16:29 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: except for the driver specific bug, can help there | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: excellent | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | anybody know of anything that's NOT already listed and is NOT a driver bug? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | by listed I mean, no bug filed yet? | 16:30 |
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| avishay | nope | 16:31 |
| hemna | not I | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ? | 16:31 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: can I ask about the snapshot quota stuff? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: sure | 16:31 |
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| guitarzan | I'm not sure it's a bug, but definitely a leaked abstraction :) | 16:31 |
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| hemna | Do we have a pub yet that has Pliny on tap for the summit? Should I file that as a feature request? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: english man.. english! :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | haha! | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: soo.... | 16:32 |
| hemna | :P | 16:32 |
| guitarzan | snapshots taking up volume gig quota | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | I had planned to bring this up | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | I'm not aware of any | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: doesn't like using the same quota for snaps and volumes gigabytes | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | I thought this was nice and clean.... | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | but I'm fine with changing it depending on what other folks thing | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | think | 16:33 |
| guitarzan | well, by "doesn't like" it's just going to prevent rackspace from switching to grizzly for a while | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: which none of us like :) | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | Any objection to me just making a seperate snapshot-gb quota? | 16:34 |
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| guitarzan | that would work for us | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Or would you want to see Flag that says independent versus shared? | 16:34 |
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| guitarzan | I think the flag idea would be more complicated | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you're the other big SP in the room | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: certainly would | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | crickets... crickets everywhere | 16:35 |
| ollie | snapshots and volumes sharing quota suits us, | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | I'd have to ask around... the current system works fine for us but I can't comment on a split quota without checking | 16:35 |
| guitarzan | here's the real issue for us | 16:36 |
| ollie | but I can't think of a reason why we'd object to a change | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | snapshot quotas are being introduced at the same time that backups are | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | so we're cool with moving to backups | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Not having snapshot quotas *was* a big issue for us... trivial DoS | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | but doing both (grizzly & backups) at the same time is going to be difficult | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: agreed | 16:37 |
| lakhindr_ | Question: is there an assumption anywhere that the two are separate? i.e quota for snapshot vs volume? | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | lakhindr_: At the moment, no | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | lakhindr_: it didn't even exist for snapshots | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | until last week | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | guitarzan: Would a flag to turn off snapshot quota entirely be enough for you? | 16:38 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: absolutely | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: or what about just commenting out the line of code in the check :) | 16:38 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: yeah, that's my other option | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: alright, well if a flag to disable it works for you... | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | I'm more than comfortable with that, but I also don't want to come back in a month and add seperate quota counts for snaps | 16:39 |
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| guitarzan | jgriffith: nah, the only reason that was a suggestion is because our snapshot quotas would be -1 :) | 16:39 |
| guitarzan | we'd be really happy with optional snapshot quotas | 16:40 |
| guitarzan | then we'll move to backups and you won't have to hear me talk about snapshots ever again | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: k... both count and Gigabytes as options? | 16:40 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: sure, we want neither one | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: actually, since this is just or Rax, maybe you should write the patch :) | 16:40 |
| guitarzan | hah | 16:41 |
| guitarzan | maybe | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Ok... we'll figure that out later | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | we should move on | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | #topic summit-sessions | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | So we're pretty full on summit proposals | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | cut off is tomorrow, and we're already OVER our alloted time | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | We are probably going to be able to get 10 sessions total | 16:42 |
| kmartin | each 40 minutes? | 16:42 |
| vincent_hou | how many do we have now | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/11 | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: yes, 40 mins | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | So we're at 15 | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | which means we'll be cutting a few things obviously | 16:44 |
| avishay | jgriffith: how do we decide? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | avishay: So I get to decide :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | avishay: but seriously | 16:44 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:44 |
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| bswartz | the benevolent dictator decides | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | So I'll work on trying to consolidate some of them | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | and working with the individuals who suggested them to see if we can compromise | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | avishay: this has never been a problem in the past and I don't expect it be this time around | 16:45 |
| kmartin | can smaller ones be combined into one slot? | 16:45 |
| bswartz | last conference we made excellent use of unconference sessions | 16:45 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: if yes, start sharpening your ax :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: yeah, that's exactly point | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and yes, that's our other ace up the sleeve | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | I'll start working on it and probably pinging folks as I do | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT | I'm confused by two topics. "Cinder plugin interface" - that already works. "Independant scheduler service" - That already works | 16:48 |
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| vincent_hou | jgriffith: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/130 this one is similar to one i submitted | 16:49 |
| vincent_hou | can be combined | 16:49 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: recarding the scheduler service -- I understand it's tied to the API service atm | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | bswartz: I don't understand what the perceived tie is? | 16:50 |
| guitarzan | yeah, the external driver thing is already a gimme | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Can discuss it after the meeting if you like? | 16:50 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: yes | 16:50 |
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| avishay | does a topic like "read only volumes" need a full topic? i think there are some other small topics that didn't get proposals (like volume import, for example) | 16:51 |
| guitarzan | read only volumes, aka multi attach may get pretty interesting | 16:52 |
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| bswartz | there are some subtleties to read only volume and multi attach | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | sorry... | 16:52 |
| bswartz | we could talk about it for 2 whole sessions I'm sure | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | read-only volumes are also a way of implementing the snapshot semantics... | 16:52 |
| kmartin | avishay: jgriffith and I talked and I had a little to add here regarding clusterd host support in the drivers | 16:52 |
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| avishay | ok, i take it back :) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | hahaha....slooowwww down folks | 16:53 |
| avishay | i didn't think about it too much | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so sorry I got pulled away for a minute and missed the excitement | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | plugins is going to get axed | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | R/O is going to be combined with multi-attach | 16:54 |
| hemna | :) | 16:54 |
| hemna | +1 | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | the plugin/external driver idea is interesting... | 16:54 |
| guitarzan | it's also easy... :) | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | The idea is that the drivers won't actually be in the OpenStack repo | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | it'll be an external plug in module | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | can someone give me link to plugins proposal? | 16:55 |
| guitarzan | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/28 | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | plugins just works, it is how we do our driver now... | 16:55 |
| guitarzan | I'm not really sure what it's about though...our driver isn't in openstack | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | This sounds great in theor | 16:55 |
| rushiagr | guitarzan: k thanks | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | theory | 16:55 |
| kmartin | you can do that today, nothing is stopping someone distributing a cinder driver from there own repo today | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | but I know that at least 90% of you would probably no longer be here if we did it | 16:56 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: I don't think that's true | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: you can but it's not as easy as it could be | 16:56 |
| guitarzan | we already are writing our own drivers | 16:56 |
| guitarzan | and it is easy | 16:56 |
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| kmartin | oh, we'll still be here | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | sorry... what I mean is, to develop an architecture where things are just plugged in easily via configs | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | and testing etc etc etc | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | Hey... if folks want to talk about it, by all means I'm game | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | "volume_driver = external.python.package.mydriver" in cinder.conf... is that not easily plugged in? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Yes, | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | but testing, keeping up with changes etc etc | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Loook, I'm not arguing against it, I just didn't think there would be much interest | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | apparantly there is so forgive me | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | we'll talk about it | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | I think if you aren't going to merge, then keeping up is your own problem... I don't see that there is much to talk about | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | It'll make my job easier | 16:58 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: I think you're getting the sides mixed up :) | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: oh... wouldn't be the first time :) | 16:59 |
| guitarzan | we're saying, it's done, but I'm guessing we don't have someone on the other side of the argument present | 16:59 |
| guitarzan | also, our hour is gone | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | dang | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | so real quick on that... there's another level it could be taken but anyway, another time | 17:00 |
| * bswartz points to the #openstack-cinder channel | 17:00 | |
| jgriffith | bswartz: indeed | 17:00 |
| bswartz | no reason we can't continue discussion | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | ok... everybody run across the hall! | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 17:00:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-20-15.59.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-20-15.59.txt | 17:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 20 17:01:18 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | howdy | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is here today for the meeting? | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic actions from last meeting | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: any update on iSCSI timeouts | 17:02 |
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| matelakat | Hi | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey | 17:03 |
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| matelakat | What | 17:04 |
| matelakat | What's up? | 17:04 |
| matelakat | Bob can't make it today. | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 17:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | was just asking him for an update on iSCSI timeouts | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, lets move on... | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 17:04 |
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| matelakat | No updates really. | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I noticed the mail from Russel about getting sessions in eary | 17:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | next few days best for any remaining session requests | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Docs | 17:05 |
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| matelakat | Is your resize/migrate work related to any bp? | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: any news? | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: nope its all bugs | 17:06 |
| matelakat | Yes, the new architecture diagram hit the trunk. | 17:06 |
| matelakat | I couldn't add you to the reviewers. | 17:06 |
| matelakat | And I am working on the plugin installation docs. | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | my name seems screwed up in gerrit | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | feel free to drop me a mail | 17:07 |
| matelakat | So I tried the source code way (devstack), getting sources with apt-get source, and building the Suppack. | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but what I saw privaelty looked good | 17:07 |
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| matelakat | Some further changes went in, I am happy with the result. | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its good to get the docs improved | 17:08 |
| matelakat | So I am planning to eliminate the devstack references. | 17:08 |
| matelakat | Oh, did you know about the Ubuntu repos? | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | which ones? | 17:08 |
| matelakat | #link http://blog.canonical.com/2012/09/14/now-you-can-have-your-openstack-cake-and-eat-it/ | 17:09 |
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| matelakat | #link http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/osfolubuntu-prerquisite.html | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | PS I wouldn't limit the devstack refs, just need people to be able to do things without that too, mainly with packages | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh yes | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | Mark Bakers the guy who runs the London meetup group | 17:09 |
| matelakat | Okay, I will keep the devstack references, but will provide some shell logs as well. | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | that was the guide I mentioned we need to update, I hope to do the centos one | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | shell logs? | 17:10 |
| matelakat | shell log - things to type in | 17:10 |
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| matelakat | At least I call them shell logs. | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | got ya | 17:11 |
| matelakat | What's up on your side? | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | still blocked with CentOS work due to xapi not working on CentOS 6.3 | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that is punted out a bit, probably post summit now | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets move onto bugs | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic bugs | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:12 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so I did a little be of triage to some bugs | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | hopefully will do that once a week to the xenserver tagged ones | 17:12 |
| matelakat | Yes, Mike was complaining about being spammed :-) | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway, any big blockers or issues? | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 17:13 |
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| matelakat | This kernel lockup keeps showing up. | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, its one of those kinds of errors | 17:13 |
| matelakat | I am trying to set up an extra drive, skipping the loopback device. | 17:13 |
| matelakat | See it it helps. | 17:14 |
| matelakat | Otherwise, I think we'll try quantal. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly, I would try quantal first | 17:14 |
| matelakat | Any ideas? | 17:14 |
| matelakat | Ah -ok. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | or go to NFS | 17:14 |
| matelakat | NFS is working. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | the other thing is to create a deicated machine for cinder | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, cool | 17:14 |
| matelakat | XenAPINFS seems to be helping. | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. cinder on separate xenserver to nova-compute | 17:15 |
| matelakat | But Bob needs the iSCSI | 17:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | try the separate boxes | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | see if that skips the issue | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly give quantal a whirl too | 17:16 |
| matelakat | Y, but tbh, I see it as an extra-complex setup (the multibox stuff) | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure there is anything else, off the top of my head | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, but multibox should avoid the issue | 17:16 |
| matelakat | yes, I am aware of that. | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I am not certain | 17:16 |
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| matelakat | No | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, any other issues people want to raise? | 17:17 |
| matelakat | Bob made a workaround for the uuid stuff | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yes, good point | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | with odd errors of Fedora | 17:18 |
| matelakat | That was a bug in the code. | 17:18 |
| matelakat | Now it's OK. | 17:18 |
| matelakat | Bob covered 'em with nice tests. | 17:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not sure the tests are in the correct file, but looks better | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more for any more? | 17:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic open discussion | 17:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Are we all done? | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | Not sure I have anything more to raise | 17:23 |
| matelakat | Okay, see you next week. | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 17:24:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-20-17.01.html | 17:24 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | anyone here? | 19:00 |
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| tongli | @notmyname, john, tong is here. | 19:00 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 19:01 |
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| cschwede | me too :) | 19:01 |
| notmyname | let's hope somebody form RAX is here... | 19:02 |
| notmyname | otherwise this will be even shorter ;-) | 19:02 |
| notmyname | ok, kicking meetbot | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 20 19:02:31 2013 UTC. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | today we need to talk about the QA status and any backports | 19:03 |
| notmyname | creiht: ping | 19:03 |
| notmyname | anyone from RAX here? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | for a QA status | 19:03 |
| notmyname | also, we've had a few merges into master (and some patches proposed) since the rc1 was tagged. I'm guessing some of those need to be in the release and some don't | 19:04 |
| creiht | howdy | 19:04 |
| notmyname | creiht: know anything about the status of QA on swift? | 19:05 |
| creiht | creiht: dunno.. I'm WFH today | 19:05 |
| notmyname | heh, ok | 19:05 |
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| creiht | and there may or may not be a cloudfiles meeting going on now | 19:06 |
| notmyname | looks like we have a keystoneauth patch that should be merged and a bulk delete patch that should probably get backported | 19:06 |
| notmyname | creiht: ah, ok. if that's a regularly scheduled thing, then we may need to adjust our meeting time | 19:07 |
| cschwede | talking about QA & rc: is this the right time to submit a patch to improve (my account quota) documentation? | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: it's always the right time to submit improvements to docs ;-) | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | are there other patches that should be backported? | 19:08 |
| cschwede | notmyname: then I'll submit the patch tomorrow :) | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | fun times in a swift meeting when most of the core devs aren't here :-/ | 19:10 |
| notmyname | reminder to submit summit talks at summit.openstack.org | 19:10 |
| notmyname | we've got some good talks proposed | 19:10 |
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| creiht | notmyname: I think there are a couple of bugfixes that will need to get in from our side | 19:11 |
| dfg | ya what he said | 19:11 |
| notmyname | dfg: beyond the bulk? | 19:11 |
| davidha | hi, sorry for being late | 19:11 |
| ogelbukh | notmyname: could we assist getting replication network in? | 19:12 |
| notmyname | davidha: no worries | 19:12 |
| notmyname | ogelbukh: checking | 19:12 |
| davidha | notmyname: do we want to backport anything related to the hash function? | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | ogelbukh: looks like that needs some additional review love, so it's blocked on that now. I'd love to see it merged and backported, but that has QA consequences | 19:13 |
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| creiht | It would seem a bit late to get it in without rushing it | 19:13 |
| notmyname | davidha: I've only been following the discussion on the LP bug, but I see there is a -2 in gerrit | 19:14 |
| creiht | and it feels like we have already rushed quite a bit in the release | 19:14 |
| notmyname | creiht: agreed | 19:14 |
| davidha | creiht: was this reg the hash item? | 19:14 |
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| creiht | davidha: I was referring to replication network | 19:15 |
| davidha | notmyname: ok, I am not sure gholt objects to this still - but we need hholt for that :) | 19:16 |
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| creiht | the hash thing is kinda meh | 19:16 |
| creiht | to me | 19:16 |
| dfg | notmyname: right now slo- but we're still testing so there could be more | 19:16 |
| notmyname | dfg: ok, thanks | 19:16 |
| notmyname | as new things come in that need to be backported, please propose them to milestone-proposed | 19:18 |
| ogelbukh | ogelbukh: ok, will wait for reviews then | 19:18 |
| ogelbukh | oops | 19:18 |
| ogelbukh | notmyname I meant ) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | davidha: I think the hash issue discussion can stay in LP/gerrit for now. especially since all of the interested parties aren't here anyway | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | anything else that needs to be discussed specifically regarding swift for the grizzly release? | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | if the syslog/infinite loop bug can get fixed, we should definitely backport that one | 19:20 |
| davidha | notmyname: sure - we are also still discussing it internally, have some more ideas for improvements, will take one or two more days to go through evenrything | 19:20 |
| notmyname | QA is being done by RAX. others should do it too, if they can. patches that need to be backported should be proposed to milestone-proposed (after being proposed to master) | 19:20 |
| tongli | @notmyname, not particularly for grizzly, but this patch sit there for two months now, and I have rebased quite few times, | 19:21 |
| notmyname | davidha: ok, cool | 19:21 |
| tongli | can any one please review it. | 19:21 |
| tongli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15818/ | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:21 |
| notmyname | tongli: ya, :-( | 19:21 |
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| chmouel | i'll try to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24415/ and propose it for milestone by tomo | 19:21 |
| notmyname | chmouel: cool. I just now saw your follow-up comments | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | as we get closer to april 4, please also review the python-swiftclient patches. there are a few that implement the new functionality that will be in the release | 19:23 |
| tongli | @notmyname, yeah, and this one. | 19:23 |
| tongli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22569/ | 19:23 |
| chmouel | yep will get some time for review tomo morning | 19:23 |
| notmyname | tongli: yup, that's something that should be fixed before the next python-swiftclient release | 19:24 |
| notmyname | last call for anything else pertaining to the release? | 19:25 |
| notmyname | I'll get a chance to start reviewing the summit talk proposals soon. if you've submitted one, you'll hear something soon | 19:26 |
| notmyname | dfg: do you have a team meeting at this time? | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | if so, I'll propose a few alternate time slots and send an email out | 19:28 |
| creiht | notmyname: I was wrong | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 19:28 |
| dfg | huh? | 19:28 |
| creiht | my calendar is messed up | 19:28 |
| dfg | i'm just doing other stuff. did you need something? | 19:29 |
| tongli | who will be at the summit? | 19:29 |
| tongli | just know today, that I am approved to go to the summit. | 19:29 |
| notmyname | dfg: creiht said the cloudfiles team meeting was now, and then he said his calendar was messed up | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | tongli: great. see you there | 19:30 |
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| dfg | notmyname: i don't know, i just work here- they're always changing the time but I'll tell him not to put it in this time slot | 19:30 |
| notmyname | dfg: ok, thanks :-) | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | I think that covers it for stuff that needed to get mentioned at this meeting. let's call it done. | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | thanks for your time today | 19:31 |
| chmouel | thanks | 19:31 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 19:32:03 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-03-20-19.02.html | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-03-20-19.02.txt | 19:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-03-20-19.02.log.html | 19:32 |
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| sdake_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 20 20:01:07 2013 UTC. The chair is sdake_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:01 |
| sdake_ | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| sdake_ | hidey ho | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | o hai! | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:02 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:02 |
| jpeeler | hi | 20:02 |
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| sdake_ | spamaps around? | 20:02 |
| oubiwann | sdake_: I got an email from him a few minutes ago -- he should be on his way | 20:03 |
| sdake_ | #topic summit session review | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit session review (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| sdake_ | thanks oubiwann | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: yes here | 20:03 |
| * SpamapS keeps getting distracted by his heat doing awesome things actually | 20:04 | |
| sdake_ | we have 6 topics for summit for the Heat track | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | thats a good sign ;) | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/8 | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | I'll add one more | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | we have 7 slots so sounds like we are full :) | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | it is open until end of march | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | our schedule is 4/15 from 9:50 until 17:20 | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | (8 is nova) | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | did you paste that link right? | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld not on my ui ;) | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | VM Ensembles (Group Scheduling) - API | 20:05 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: doesn't work for me either | 20:06 |
| sdake_ | odd | 20:06 |
| sdake_ | ok, well lets go through them individually then | 20:06 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/148 | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | oo, tosca | 20:06 |
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| sdake_ | looking for completeness, relevancy, whether should be bounced to a different track | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | Interesting, who is "openiduser38" ? | 20:07 |
| shardy | I saw the BP for this, seems to be driven by IBM? | 20:07 |
| shardy | I'd like to know if they're proposing resources to implement, or just saying the feature would be nice | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | The blueprint dev is Thoms Spatzier | 20:07 |
| shardy | I looked at the spec today and it's so complex I got a bit scared | 20:08 |
| sdake_ | looks like snafu with summit.openstack.org openid import | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | Ok thats cool. HP is invested in TOSCA... so it might be something that HP folk would be interested in contributing to as well. | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | well maybe he can explain it at summit | 20:08 |
| sdake_ | #action sdake to track down tosca openid session lead corrected in summit.openstack.org | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | here is my take | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | worth listening | 20:09 |
| shardy | asalkeld: sure, I just wondered if there was IRC discussion I missed while on PTO | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | rather then passing judgment now | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | shardy new material | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | for those folks attending summit have a look at the tosca spec | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | Tosca could be interesting, or could be painful, we just don't know yet | 20:10 |
| shardy | make sure you have a very large coffee ready ;) | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: right, I don't think it would be all that disruptive to HEAT as a whole too... so its worth hearing from people who are willing to step up to doing it. | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | ya don't forget your monster energy drink | 20:10 |
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| asalkeld | hah | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | If anything, it would lay groundwork for pluggable parsers, which is probably a good thing. | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | so I'll sort out that problem and put this on short list of things since it seems like it could have big impact on heat for users and devs as well | 20:11 |
| shardy | SpamapS: +1 | 20:11 |
| shardy | that may be a relatively big refactoring exercise tho | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | well i'd prefer not to rewrite heat to bring in tosca | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | these are all questions we can address at summit | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | right, but it may be refactoring heat to allow others to plug in tosca/camp/juju/etc. | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | yea | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/136 | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | appears relevant | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | I would challenge the assumption that converting AWS::CloudFormation::Init to cloud-init would be less code than doing the few basic operations it is capable of. | 20:13 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld if you could put together some thoughts in etherpad.openstack.org that might get us rolling | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | Would like to see some preliminary analysis of the features in cloud-init as compared to cfn-init's features | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | cool, well challenge it at the summit ;) | 20:14 |
| shardy | asalkleld: interesting - atm cloud-init has no capability to read Cloudformation resource metadata AFAIK? | 20:14 |
| shardy | so it can't replace cfn-hup? | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | shardy: that would be relatively easy actually | 20:14 |
| shardy | It can only read ec2 metadata IIRC | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | the problem is how heavy handed it is, as it expects to be the initializer of the system, not the ongoing configurator. | 20:15 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Sure, I'm just pointing out that the capability does not yet exist in upstream cloud-init, and we don't know if they would be willing to merge it | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | shardy the capability is in 0.7 | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | but for cfn-hup, requires more investigation | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | anyway, would like to see the analysis, I won't reject the session outright because I have not done the comparison. | 20:16 |
| shardy | sdake_: what capability is in 0.7? | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | everything init needs | 20:16 |
| shardy | It can't read resource metadata via DescribeStackResource | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | shardy you can put what ever you want in the metadata (something cloud-init) can expect | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | right that part is really, really easy (adding your own cloud data source). | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | I think we are busy doing the session? | 20:17 |
| * sdake_ points at asalkeld | 20:17 | |
| shardy | asalkeld: but the instance metadata is not the same as the *resource* metadata, which is what cfn-hup reads, in both heat and CFN, but I suppose we can change that | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | My personal preference is for cfn-init to stay as-is, and I think the effort to convert to cloud-init will be quite large compared with keeping it as-is. But again... worth somebody looking into it if they are interested in doing that conversion work. :) | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | #action asalkeld to write up convert cfn config into etherpad for further discussion at summit | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/44 | 20:19 |
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| sdake_ | looks relevant | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | one thing I'd like thought about spamaps is the difference between scheduling with corotines vs threads | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | I think we've all agreed, this is doable in the near term. We should bring our ideas and some thoughts on how difficult they will be to implement. | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | spamaps can you make an etherpad on the subject | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: sure thing. Not entirely sure where to go to do that. | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-concurrent-resource-scheduling | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | ah cool thanks :) | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld if you would follow same convention might find that helpful | 20:21 |
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| asalkeld | sure | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/edit/86 | 20:22 |
| shardy | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/86 | 20:22 |
| shardy | edit gives me forbidden? | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | horrible system | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | are you logged in? | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | I believe only the owner can do edit | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | ya shardy made the session | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | oh wrong link .. | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | sec | 20:23 |
| shardy | I am logged in, and I created this session, so not sure what the problem is | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/88 | 20:24 |
| sdake_ | lets try that one :) | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | I've raised blueprints for the aws resources that are backed by openstack resources | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | maybe merge with the tosca one | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | no please do not merge w/ the tosca | 20:24 |
| sdake_ | link cut and paste failing me today.. | 20:25 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/86 | 20:25 |
| sdake_ | heat credentials management | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | this is a critical item and I want to make sure we are all fully understood on the end goal, and the forces driving it. | 20:25 |
| sdake_ | spamaps lets address that next.. :) | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | yes back to 86 :) | 20:25 |
| shardy | So I'm hoping to get some input from all on the way forward with this, and in particular get some keystone guys involved | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | +1 for 86, I have some ideas and would love to share and hear where others think we are | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | shardy would you fill out an etherpad on the subject | 20:26 |
| shardy | as I'm pretty sure we still need more new keystone features | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | re 86, if we move to trusts, would that cause issues if we also replace heat-cfntools with aws-cfn-bootstrap? | 20:26 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Thats what I'm referring to, we need the ability to create ec2 keypairs from trust tokens | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | not sure | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | keystone needs a "sudo" but not sure best how to handle that | 20:27 |
| shardy | which keystone cannot currently do | 20:27 |
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| sdake_ | howdy azaneb | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | trusts == sudo | 20:27 |
| zaneb | hey, sorry | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | just going through summit sessions now | 20:27 |
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| shardy | so the answer is, yes it would cause issues, so we can't use trusts in-instance until that is figured out | 20:27 |
| zaneb | lost track of the time | 20:27 |
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| sdake_ | shardy mind filling in a etherpad on the topic to kick things off? | 20:27 |
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| shardy | sdake_: sure will do (be tomorrow now) | 20:28 |
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| sdake_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-credentials-management | 20:28 |
| sdake_ | #action shardy to fill in heat credentials management etherpad | 20:28 |
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| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/88 | 20:29 |
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| shardy | Isn't this just a resource naming issue? | 20:29 |
| sdake_ | abstracting aws out of heat | 20:29 |
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| sdake_ | i am not entirely convinced - some openstack resources may have unique properties that aren't handled | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | could these blueprints be attached to the session? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/native-cinder-volume https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/native-nova-instance | 20:30 |
| shardy | We previously discussed having a config file with name mappings, so the code doesn't need to have AWS resource names in it? | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/171 | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | just added that one ^ | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | still need to fill it in a bit | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | going back to 88 ... | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | that still leaves properties schema that are aws specific. I'd rather see native resources that are thin wrappers over openstack APIs | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | Its not just resource naming | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | it is wikis | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | seems like people interested to discuss, so definitely recommend a session at summit on the topic | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | and documentation | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | yes it impacts everything we do as a complete project in openstack | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | The concern is simple. OpenStack consumers do not want to drive users of Heat and OpenStack to AWS CloudFormation which has far more capabilities. | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | as an aside, I have heard significant feedback there is interest in this particular issue | 20:31 |
| shardy | stevebaker: but still have the AWS resource types, subclassed from the native ones I guess? | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | spamaps could you fill out an etherpad on the topic? | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: yes I'll create one now | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-abstracting-aws-out | 20:32 |
| sdake_ | #action spamaps to fill out abstracting aws out of heat to kick off discussion | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/78 | 20:33 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: who are OpenStack "consumers" in this context? | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | Rolling updates and instance specific metadata | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | seems fine | 20:35 |
| sdake_ | ya bit of two topics in one but seems ok | 20:35 |
| oubiwann | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/172 | 20:35 |
| oubiwann | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/heat-autoscaling | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: deployers would have been a better word :) | 20:36 |
| oubiwann | oh, snap -- sorry guys | 20:36 |
| oubiwann | wrong window | 20:36 |
| sdake_ | ninja topic ;) | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | The reason rolling updates and instance specific metadata is together is that instance specific metadata is needed for rolling updates to work. | 20:36 |
| oubiwann | totally :-/ | 20:36 |
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| sdake_ | i see | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | I want to get consensus on the need for both, at the same time. | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS, you might want to metion that it is instance metadata for instancegroups | 20:37 |
| sdake_ | ok well same drill - same format re etherpad | 20:37 |
| zaneb | oubiwann: autoscaling has been in Heat since... forever? | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: right. | 20:38 |
| sdake_ | #action spamaps to create etherpad for specific metadata for rolling updates | 20:38 |
| sdake_ | ok looks like we had some late entrants - lets review those real quick: | 20:39 |
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| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/171 | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | definitely need to solve this problem | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld mind putting together an etherpad | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | (added 5mins ago - so a bit lite) | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:40 |
| sdake_ | not late, schedule ends on 30th, but late for the agenda ;) | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | (lite) | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | I think thats one where people should come with ideas in hand. | 20:40 |
| sdake_ | #action asalkeld to create etherpad for multiple heat engines in one openstack deployment | 20:40 |
| sdake_ | spamaps we have our original architectural ideas | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | those either need validating or reworking | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | all sessions should be with "ideas in hand" | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | I won't be there, so I'll dump my idea in the etherpad | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: cool | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker which session type? | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | multiple heat-engines | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | cool | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/172 | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | ok last one, :) | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | no its not | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | oubiwann: ^^ | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | I think we have all of that? | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I spoke with oubiwann at Pycon briefly about this | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | oubiwann we have that | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I think the idea is to have it without heat | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | lol | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | yes, that is next on the agenda | 20:42 |
| zaneb | "Autoscaling for Heat" | 20:42 |
| zaneb | "Proposed by oubiwann in topic Heat" | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | oubiwann perhaps a better subject would be "decomposing autoscaling from heat" | 20:43 |
| barefoot | he got a call, let me go track him down | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | I added it to the meeting agenda because I wasn't sure we'd get a submission during session review :) | 20:43 |
| fsargent | I can answer questiongs regarding oubiwann's autoscaling project | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | so you want a new project? | 20:43 |
| fsargent | questions* even. | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | I think the question is, why would this be outside of Heat as a project? | 20:43 |
| sdake_ | #topic autoscaling decomposition | 20:44 |
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| SpamapS | I understand that it might be its own API and not want to drag heat's template language along. | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | (this was in agenda btw) | 20:44 |
| zaneb | in AWS, Autoscaling is a feature of EC2 | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | But that could still live inside heat as a project and be quite happy. | 20:44 |
| zaneb | so arguably it should be provided by Nova | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | zaneb autoscale is a separate api in aws | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS, you need the launchconfig | 20:44 |
| shardy | SpamapS: what do we gain by doing this though? | 20:45 |
| zaneb | oh, my bad | 20:45 |
| fsargent | The launch config for AS is a nova launch config. | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I don't know, thats why oubiwan is proposing. :) | 20:45 |
| fsargent | with a load balancer | 20:45 |
| shardy | We could implement the API and leave the AS logic in the engine if people want the AWS separate-API for AS | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | To me, its declarative vs. imperative all over again. | 20:45 |
| sdake_ | the rationale behind this seems to be autoscaling as a unique service, without orchestration features which heat provides | 20:46 |
| sdake_ | little history | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | And no matter how awesome your declarative API is (heat templates), people will want an imperative way to operate it. | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | well cloud watch is an issue | 20:46 |
| sdake_ | when we started heat, we had two huge dependencies that we needed solving - 1 was cloudwatch 2 was autoscaling | 20:46 |
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| sdake_ | we merged them into one code base | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | we need monitoring (been added to ceilometer) | 20:47 |
| shardy | SpamapS: sounds like you're proposing a new service for openstack (which heat could use instead of an internal implementation) | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | a tad early for this imo | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | *I* am not | 20:47 |
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| fsargent | The API we have for Autoscaling entirely abstracts monitoring out of the system. | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | or a new service in heat | 20:47 |
| sdake_ | oubiwann is propsing | 20:47 |
| shardy | but we don't have the monitoring infrastructure etc as asalkeld points out | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | I am merely introducing oubiwan to you guys :) | 20:47 |
| shardy | SpamapS: ok, noted, sorry ;) | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | fsargent, but you still need an implemetation there | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | Since oubiwan is busy, can we move on and come back, or is this the last item we have for today? | 20:48 |
| sdake_ | fsargent, oubiwann will you both be at summit? | 20:48 |
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| fsargent | The Autoscaling API will setup webhooks per policy, that monitoring will hit. | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/90 | 20:48 |
| fsargent | sdake_: Yup. | 20:48 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker that is a horizon topic | 20:48 |
| sdake_ | here is my take | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | but its heat related | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | fsargent: It sounds like you guys already did this, without looking at whether or not it was doable in Heat itself. | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | which, IMO, it is. | 20:49 |
| sdake_ | worth having a design session, willing to put it into the heat track - since atm heat does the autoscaling around here ;) | 20:49 |
| shardy | If it's already done, where is the code? | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | maybe someone if finding a link? | 20:50 |
| fsargent | We're working on something. | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | on github? | 20:50 |
| fsargent | Yes, but its in a private repo currently. | 20:50 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: +1 :) | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | urg | 20:50 |
| shardy | fsargent: Having a summit discussion about your yet-to-be-unveiled solution will not be worthwhile IMHO | 20:50 |
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| fsargent | Understood. | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | yea don't be afraid - make it public | 20:51 |
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| asalkeld | we can provide feedback | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | Or, don't, and just plug the same API into heat. | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | muliple projects does make deployment more of a pain | 20:52 |
| sdake_ | our job isn't to worry about deployment, our job is to worry about making openstack spectacular and well decomposed | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | well, my job is to worry about deployment, but my job in heat isn't .. ;) | 20:53 |
| sdake_ | precisely ;) | 20:53 |
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| asalkeld | but if some wants autoscale but not heat, then this might make it easier | 20:53 |
| fsargent | I won't go on about how we're intending to submit autoscaling, but it is modular and cross functional. | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | that said, IMO, heat is the place to do this, as it is the thing that operates on the other services from an automation point of view. | 20:53 |
| fsargent | heat can call it, and it'll run everythingin that environment, or outside of it. | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | and autoscaling, cloudwatch, etc, can just be implemented as api calls. | 20:54 |
| sdake_ | yes feature sounds interesting - but tbh approach is wrong - ping me after meeting for some advice | 20:54 |
| fsargent | Will do sdake_ thanks. | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | lets move on | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | 6 min | 20:54 |
| sdake_ | well wanted to get through some blueprints today | 20:54 |
| sdake_ | but we can hardly get started in our time allotted | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | heh, not a chance | 20:54 |
| sdake_ | so I'll switch to open topics at the moment | 20:55 |
| sdake_ | #topic open topics | 20:55 |
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| stevebaker | well done on rc1 everyone | 20:55 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker took my line ;) | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | \o/ | 20:55 |
| sdake_ | So, first off, everyone doing a spectacular job | 20:56 |
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| sdake_ | we have had a big impact in OpenStack over the last year | 20:56 |
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| sdake_ | We started in March 2012 - look what we accomplished - full integration with a great feature set that makes OpenStack better | 20:56 |
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| sdake_ | high high performance team - keep up the good work ;) | 20:56 |
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| SpamapS | ^5 to all, humbled to have joined such a fine tribe. :) | 20:57 |
| uvirtbot | SpamapS: Error: "5" is not a valid command. | 20:57 |
| sdake_ | ^help | 20:57 |
| uvirtbot | sdake_: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 20:57 |
| sdake_ | have to probe that later ;) | 20:58 |
| sdake_ | ok thanks all | 20:58 |
| sdake_ | anything else? | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | nope | 20:58 |
| sdake_ | one last thing | 20:58 |
| sdake_ | if your presenting a session | 20:58 |
| sdake_ | please send me the days you have booked in your schedule for Monday | 20:58 |
| sdake_ | rather times on Monday | 20:59 |
| sdake_ | so that I don't double-book a session | 20:59 |
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| sdake_ | thanks! | 20:59 |
| sdake_ | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 20:59:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-20-20.01.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-20-20.01.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-20-20.01.log.html | 20:59 |
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