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avishay | meeting time? | 15:02 |
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thingee | yar | 15:02 |
kmartin | we just had daylight savings time in CA, we might be meeting in a hour from now? | 15:04 |
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thingee | oh right | 15:05 |
kmartin | avishay: you have to stay up another hour | 15:06 |
avishay | kmartin: it's only 5PM :P | 15:06 |
kmartin | oh, we'll you need to work another hour then :) | 15:06 |
avishay | but my call that's usually at 6PM shows up at 5PM on my work calendar...this is confusing | 15:06 |
avishay | let's just do it now ;) | 15:07 |
winston-d | meeting? | 15:07 |
avishay | winston-d: seems like daylight savings time - meeting will be in an hour | 15:08 |
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winston-d | isn't daylight make the meeting one hour earlier than usual? | 15:09 |
avishay | winston-d: that's what we all seemed to think as well...i don't know | 15:09 |
avishay | kmartin: ? | 15:09 |
kmartin | we move the clocks forward 1 hour | 15:10 |
kmartin | the openstack meetings are based off GMT, so I think it will be in 1 hour from now | 15:11 |
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avishay | correct...now it's 15:12 GMT, and the meeting is at 16:00 | 15:12 |
avishay | i thought it was based on US time | 15:13 |
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winston-d | ah, that explains why. thx kmartin | 15:14 |
kmartin | I can go get breakfast now :) | 15:14 |
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avishay | kmartin: enjoy :) | 15:16 |
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jgriffith | meeting | 16:01 |
jgriffith | yay! | 16:01 |
jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 13 16:01:56 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
vincent_hou | hi | 16:02 |
avishay | hi | 16:02 |
bswartz | hei | 16:02 |
eharney | hi | 16:02 |
xyang_ | hi | 16:02 |
kmartin | hi | 16:02 |
rushiagr | o/ | 16:02 |
jgallard | hi | 16:02 |
jgriffith | full house :) | 16:02 |
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jgriffith | Hey everyone | 16:02 |
jgriffith | let's get started should be easy meeting today | 16:02 |
jgriffith | #topic RC1 status | 16:02 |
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jgriffith | I'd like to cut RC1 tomorrow morning | 16:03 |
jgriffith | I think we're in fairly good shape | 16:03 |
jgriffith | and there's nothing to say more bugs can't/won't come in | 16:03 |
jgriffith | But it will make sure that we're a bit more picky on what's a critical bug and what's not | 16:03 |
jgriffith | How do folks feel about that? | 16:03 |
jgriffith | rushiagr: bswartz I think you guys got all of your fixes in yes? | 16:04 |
bswartz | will there be RC2/RC3/etc? | 16:04 |
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jgriffith | bswartz: there will be but it's not an excuse to rewrite code | 16:04 |
jgriffith | critical bug fixes only! | 16:04 |
jgriffith | and by critical I mean release blocking | 16:05 |
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bswartz | I have one bug which is going to take significant changes to fix -- probalby needs to be targetted to havana not grizzly at this point | 16:05 |
jgriffith | bswartz: Yeah, I think so | 16:05 |
bswartz | jgriffith: yeah I'm not planning to push in any big code changes | 16:05 |
jgriffith | So the idea is we really move into testing and documentation after we cut RC1 | 16:05 |
jgriffith | April is going to be upon us before we know it | 16:06 |
DuncanT1 | We've very much in test mode now | 16:06 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: excellent... | 16:06 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: Speaking of.... | 16:06 |
thingee | jgriffith: I think I need to get in touch with james king then. I told him to have the other stuff done on friday | 16:06 |
thingee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1087817 | 16:06 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1087817 in cinder "Update v2 with volume_type_id switch to uuid" [Medium,In progress] | 16:06 |
jgriffith | Ever find your doc on multiple cinder nodes? | 16:06 |
jgriffith | I'd like to blend that in to the docs | 16:06 |
jgriffith | thingee: oops... my bad | 16:06 |
jgriffith | thingee: I can ping him as well, I know you're getting ready to head out | 16:07 |
DuncanT1 | No. I need to redo it for several places though. If you haven't got it before COB Friday, please shout at me | 16:07 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: Can take that as you're signing up to do it :) | 16:07 |
thingee | jgriffith: yeah so about that. it's been moved to tomorrow noon | 16:08 |
jgriffith | #action DuncanT1 update multiple cinder node install doc | 16:08 |
jgriffith | thingee: haha | 16:08 |
jgriffith | hey virbot WTF? | 16:08 |
jgriffith | virtbot | 16:08 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: we don't need no stinking virtbot anyway | 16:08 |
thingee | jgriffith: I think it's just running slow. it took a while to pull up the info on that bug link I pasted | 16:09 |
jgriffith | ok | 16:09 |
jgriffith | So does anybody have anything else on RC1 updates? | 16:09 |
jgriffith | There's one other nasty bug that I'm going to work on but it will be after RC1 before I get to it | 16:09 |
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DuncanT1 | Everything I've got is python-cinderclient at the moment | 16:10 |
jgriffith | Here's a fun little exercise, ask to create a volume that 10 Gig w/ your 5 Gig backing store (LVM) | 16:10 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT1: excellent | 16:10 |
jgriffith | would it help if we pushed to PyPi now, and then again when we're ready to release? | 16:11 |
thingee | jgriffith: it would just error on the manager layer | 16:11 |
jgriffith | Personally I've been just installing from master | 16:11 |
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jgriffith | thingee: ? | 16:11 |
jgriffith | thingee: ideally | 16:11 |
jgriffith | thingee: but it's broke | 16:12 |
jgriffith | thingee: between retries we drop the exception from lvcreate | 16:12 |
jgriffith | and go about life ignoring the issue | 16:12 |
thingee | jgriffith: regarding your fun exercise. I always hit that in testing because the volume group is too small. | 16:12 |
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avishay | jgriffith: I'd like to queue this for discussion please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24321/ | 16:13 |
jgriffith | avishay: how about now | 16:14 |
jgriffith | #topic https://10.200.1.17/login.html | 16:14 |
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avishay | jgriffith: if queue length is 0... | 16:14 |
avishay | hmm... | 16:14 |
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jgriffith | avishay: what would you like to discuss | 16:14 |
avishay | jgriffith: winston-d's comment on "Need discussion on whether these capabilities should be added in host_manager" | 16:15 |
winston-d | yeah | 16:15 |
rushiagr | what is this login.html link about? | 16:15 |
avishay | jgriffith: does everyone agree that this should be added? | 16:15 |
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jgriffith | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24321/ | 16:16 |
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jgriffith | rushiagr: sorry... wrong info in my clipboard | 16:16 |
rushiagr | jgriffith: does that mean every driver needs to return a default value? | 16:16 |
rushiagr | jgriffith: np | 16:16 |
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winston-d | avishay's patch is to add two new capabilities: compression and tiering to host_manager | 16:16 |
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xyang_ | winston-d: what happens if driver don't report on those two capabilities | 16:16 |
avishay | rushiagr: default is False for both capabilities, if the driver doesn't returnanything | 16:16 |
jgriffith | my opinion was yes on compression, not crazy about tiering | 16:16 |
jgriffith | avishay: but I'm flexible | 16:17 |
rushiagr | avishay: okay | 16:17 |
winston-d | xyang_ : the default should be False | 16:17 |
jgriffith | I think I mentioned before that I'm fine with it | 16:17 |
avishay | does anyone have strong feelings either way? | 16:17 |
avishay | jgriffith: yes you did | 16:17 |
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avishay | or even not-so-strong feelings? :) | 16:17 |
jgriffith | haha | 16:18 |
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jgriffith | We've become a much less controversial group over the last few weeks :) | 16:18 |
DuncanT1 | My only worry is getting a flexible enough definition of these capabilities | 16:18 |
rushiagr | if this doesnt amount to adding a couple of lines in every driver i'm fine | 16:18 |
winston-d | is 'compression' and 'tiering' well-known feature for a storage solution? | 16:18 |
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eharney | is tiering something that we think can be used in a similar fashion across different drivers? | 16:18 |
DuncanT1 | So that we don't end up with many variations on the theme don't end up being needed | 16:18 |
xyang_ | winston-d: they are well known, but we may not expose them. we may hide them in a pool | 16:19 |
avishay | compression is done in several controllers - jgriffith, doesn't solidfire do it as well? | 16:19 |
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jgriffith | yeah, I think *most* devices do compression these days | 16:19 |
avishay | xyang_: what do you mean by hiding them in a pool? | 16:19 |
jgriffith | what I'm not sure of is the value/need to expose this information back up | 16:19 |
DuncanT1 | Is it something you want to be exposing to the sysadmin though? i.e. to let end uses choose to avoid it? | 16:20 |
guitarzan | maybe I need to read up on the host stuff, but who needs to know whether or not a volume is compressed or not? | 16:20 |
xyang_ | avishay: I mean our driver may not report those capabilities specifically | 16:20 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: the sysadmin will hopefully know what the device he installed is capable of already | 16:20 |
jgriffith | :0 | 16:20 |
avishay | if you have a volume that's going to be logs, it should be scheduled on a compressed volume. if it will be binary blobs, compression will waste resources. | 16:20 |
jgriffith | My view is that these values are specifically for scheduling purposes | 16:20 |
bswartz | jgriffith: +1 | 16:21 |
winston-d | DuncanT1 : what do you mean by 'flexible enough defintion' ? | 16:21 |
DuncanT1 | jgriffith: You don't know many sysadmins ;-) | 16:21 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: haha! | 16:21 |
jgriffith | So here's the thing... | 16:21 |
jgriffith | If there's some confusion or concerns... | 16:21 |
jgriffith | I would propose we leave it out, I think we can get what avishay wants here via introducing types specific to these things | 16:22 |
jgriffith | I don't want to make life harder though and I don't have a real objection/preference on compression | 16:22 |
jgriffith | I'm just a bit neutral on it | 16:22 |
avishay | jgriffith: how can you do it via types? | 16:22 |
xyang_ | avishay: the admin can setup gold, silver, bronze pools ahead of time, and each pool is already associated with certain capabilities. | 16:22 |
DuncanT1 | winston-d: I mean that, for example, 'tiering' is a flexible enough term that some other vendor doesn't come along and say 'we do multiple storage media user directable migration levels, which is not tiering the way IBM do it and so we want our own capability adding..." | 16:23 |
jgriffith | avishay: Just define a type as "logs volume" or whatever | 16:23 |
jgriffith | avishay: and with knowledge of the capabilities set that up to point to the correct backend | 16:23 |
guitarzan | backends are tied to a type | 16:23 |
kmartin | xyang_: +1 that is how we are going to handle this | 16:23 |
jgriffith | avishay: or are you saying this would allow you to *set* compression on your device on a per volume basis? | 16:23 |
avishay | jgriffith: and then the admin has to manually say which backends support what | 16:23 |
xyang_ | kmartin: good | 16:24 |
winston-d | in fact, even these capabilities are not part of host state (e.g avishay failed to get them in) it's still part of capabilties of a host if driver reports them. | 16:24 |
jgriffith | avishay: yes, not overly elegant but it's an interm solution that works | 16:24 |
jgriffith | winston-d: good point | 16:24 |
jgriffith | winston-d: So then customer filters can still be written | 16:24 |
avishay | jgriffith: no, the point is for the driver to automatically report capabilities and for the scheduler to know about them, so that admins don't have to configure properties for each pool manually | 16:24 |
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jgriffith | avishay: ok, that's what I thought you meant, thanks for clarifying. | 16:25 |
winston-d | jgriffith : that's the beauty of filter scheduler. :) | 16:25 |
jgriffith | avishay: I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something | 16:25 |
jgriffith | winston-d: +1 | 16:25 |
avishay | winston-d: but the capability filter scheduler only looks at things in host state, right? maybe that's the problem? | 16:25 |
winston-d | avishay : no, it also looks at capabilities of a host | 16:26 |
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avishay | winston-d: self._satisfies_extra_specs(host_state.capabilities, resource_type) | 16:27 |
xyang_ | winston-d: with the mutli-backend support, does "host" mean a cinder-volume service now? | 16:27 |
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winston-d | xyang_ : you are right | 16:27 |
winston-d | avishay : exactly, host_state.capabilities | 16:27 |
avishay | winston-d: so if something isn't added, it's ignored, which is why i wanted to add these two items | 16:28 |
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guitarzan | I think we need to figure out what purpose we think volume types are supposed to serve | 16:29 |
winston-d | avishay : no, see line 112 of host_manager.py capabilities reported by driver are copied to host_state.capabilities. | 16:29 |
bswartz | guitarzan: we've been over that a number of times | 16:29 |
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bswartz | I wish there was a nice document explaining the conclusions of these multiple conversations | 16:30 |
guitarzan | bswartz: I know, but it doesn't seem to be resolved | 16:30 |
guitarzan | indeed | 16:30 |
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jgriffith | bswartz: you could write one :) | 16:30 |
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jgriffith | guitarzan: bswartz I'll write on | 16:30 |
jgriffith | one | 16:30 |
jgriffith | it's resolved IMO | 16:30 |
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avishay | winston-d: so that things reported by the driver are read once, and things in host state are constantly updated? | 16:30 |
guitarzan | oh? that's good to hear | 16:30 |
bswartz | I propose discussing it one more time at the conference and making sure we write down the conclusions and turn them into a doc | 16:31 |
jgriffith | guitarzan: haha | 16:31 |
bswartz | I can sign up for that | 16:31 |
avishay | bswartz: i was planning to bring this topic up at the summit as well | 16:31 |
bswartz | I can also try to get material prepared in advance | 16:31 |
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jgriffith | So hold on a sec... | 16:31 |
jgriffith | First.. the issue with the patch from avishay | 16:32 |
avishay | if things work as winston-d says (I will test to make sure), then we don't need any change to host_manager.py, and the issue seems resolved | 16:32 |
jgriffith | Compression is pretty standard and has a pretty distinct meaning | 16:32 |
jgriffith | I think there are easy ways to get around it but regardless | 16:32 |
winston-d | avishay : see line 273 of host_manager.py host_state.capabilities are constantly updated as well. | 16:32 |
jgriffith | avishay: if you want to put in compression I'm fine and I say go for it | 16:32 |
jgriffith | tiering on the other hand I'm not a fan of | 16:32 |
jgriffith | tiering should fall into the types setting IMO | 16:33 |
DuncanT1 | jgriffith: It sounds like the patch is unnecessary | 16:33 |
avishay | winston-d: missed that - thanks | 16:33 |
avishay | jgriffith: seems fair | 16:33 |
jgriffith | as in select the tier | 16:33 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: That was my initial point | 16:33 |
guitarzan | jgriffith: cool, but I do look forward to hearing what types are :) | 16:33 |
avishay | so bottom line, i'll re-submit without the changes to host_manager.py? | 16:33 |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: it's unnecessary but if it's convenient for a specific use case avishay has or knowws of I don't care | 16:33 |
avishay | and we'll discuss at the summit | 16:33 |
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jgriffith | avishay: if that works for you that's absolutely great with me | 16:34 |
DuncanT1 | avishay: That sounds perfect :-) | 16:34 |
avishay | jgriffith: cool | 16:34 |
avishay | thanks everyone | 16:34 |
jgriffith | #topic volume-types | 16:34 |
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jgriffith | Volume types are custom/admin-defined volume types that can be used to direct the scheduler to the appropriate back-end | 16:35 |
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jgriffith | # end of topic! | 16:35 |
guitarzan | hehe | 16:35 |
jgriffith | ok... moving on :) | 16:35 |
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winston-d | jgriffith : nice! | 16:35 |
guitarzan | except in the case of extra specs, which does the same thing | 16:35 |
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jgriffith | guitarzan: haha... but no, not really | 16:35 |
bswartz | guitarzan: no, they work together though | 16:35 |
jgriffith | #topic extra-specs | 16:36 |
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avishay | jgriffith: is it only for the scheduler? or also to pass information about how to create the volume to a driver? | 16:36 |
jgriffith | extra-specs is additional meta info to be passed to the driver selected by volume-type | 16:36 |
winston-d | guitarzan : it is extra specs that get volume types to do what jgriffith said it can do | 16:36 |
jgriffith | #end-topic | 16:36 |
jgriffith | extra-specs are just that, *extra* | 16:36 |
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guitarzan | so that would imply that compression is a volume type? | 16:37 |
jgriffith | by extra, we mean *extra* information that can be consumed by the backend when it gets it's volume-type | 16:37 |
guitarzan | well, I'll think about it anyway :) | 16:37 |
winston-d | avishay : yeah, that's the other important usage of extra specs (to pass requirements to driver) | 16:37 |
guitarzan | it seems confusing to me | 16:37 |
jgriffith | guitarzan: correct, that's a possible way to do it that I mentioned earlier | 16:37 |
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jgriffith | but folks don't like the admin's to actually have to think | 16:37 |
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guitarzan | sure | 16:37 |
kmartin | anyone else notice that you have to enable the scheduler setting in the cinder.conf for the extra specs to work in devstack? | 16:37 |
jgriffith | or maybe they just *can't* actually think | 16:37 |
jgriffith | kmartin: can you ellaborate? | 16:38 |
jgriffith | which setting specifically? | 16:38 |
avishay | I think maybe not everyone knows about scopes, which I learned about while playing with volume types | 16:38 |
kmartin | jgriffith: scheduler_host_manager, scheduler_default_filters, scheduler_default_weighers and scheduler_driver | 16:39 |
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* DuncanT1 suggests people with a specific scenario they want to accomplish in terms of both users and admin actions, they they currently don't know how to, writes it up and we can see if our current method is sufficient or we need to enhance it for Havanna | 16:39 | |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:40 |
avishay | I like DuncanT1's idea of assigning homework before the Summit :) | 16:40 |
winston-d | DuncanT1 : +1 | 16:40 |
DuncanT1 | It is far easier to answer specific questions than generalities | 16:40 |
DuncanT1 | (I've a few myself that I don't know how to do, though I'm fairly sure they are entirely possible) | 16:40 |
avishay | kmartin: default devstack works fine with volume types for me | 16:40 |
winston-d | DuncanT1: and i believe most cases can be solved now, people just don't know how | 16:40 |
DuncanT1 | winston-d: +1 | 16:41 |
kmartin | avishay: with extra specs defined? | 16:41 |
avishay | winston-d: you're probably right | 16:41 |
jgriffith | winston-d: DuncanT1 agreed | 16:41 |
avishay | kmartin: what do you mean? | 16:41 |
jgriffith | kmartin: it works for me... wonder if we have an issue with expectations | 16:41 |
bswartz | jgriffith: I have a feeling we have an issue with documentation and understanding | 16:42 |
jgriffith | kmartin: So my driver is selected correctly by the volume type | 16:42 |
jgallard | kmartin, it works for me too | 16:42 |
jgriffith | kmartin: Then it queries that type for extra-specs | 16:42 |
jgriffith | and uses the extra-specs to do *stuff* | 16:42 |
kmartin | yeah, maybe...in our case if we do not have them enabled our driver never gets call | 16:42 |
xyang_ | winston-d has a couple of nice docs about scheduler. It will be nice to combine them and add more to it | 16:42 |
jgriffith | kmartin: ohhh? That's a problem with the type then | 16:43 |
jgriffith | kmartin: volume-type is what selects the driver | 16:43 |
* jgriffith really needs to document this it seems | 16:43 | |
kmartin | ok...we may be using it incorrectly then | 16:43 |
jgriffith | kmartin: uh oh :) | 16:43 |
jgriffith | kmartin: what's the scenario you're trying to run? | 16:44 |
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thingee | so just so everyone knows, I'm currently in the process of creating the initial block storage manual and separating it out of compute manuals. | 16:45 |
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kmartin | we create volume type like Gold, Silver, Bronze, then assign extra specs to those with different capabilities on the array, like provisioning, host mode cpg, etc... | 16:45 |
thingee | all driver information will be moved over if you have it in there | 16:46 |
* DuncanT1 wonders if we have any more topics to cover, since we can always work out the details of volume-type usage in #openstack-cinder | 16:46 | |
jgriffith | DuncanT1: good point | 16:46 |
* bswartz has a topic | 16:46 | |
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jgriffith | bswartz: go for it | 16:46 |
avishay | bswartz: care to share? :) | 16:46 |
bswartz | quick question actualy | 16:46 |
bswartz | just wanted to know about policy surrounding backporting from grizzly to folsom | 16:46 |
bswartz | what is the policy and who enforces it? | 16:47 |
eharney | i've been wondering a bit about this myself | 16:47 |
jgriffith | bswartz: the OSLO team mostly enforces it by having +2/A authority | 16:47 |
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eharney | do we need to change something so that the right people get added to the reviews? | 16:48 |
eharney | for example, i've had https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22244/ floating around for a while now and i'm not sure who to poke | 16:48 |
jgriffith | eharney: bswartz I'll get with ttx and markmc and get this resolved | 16:48 |
jgriffith | also get clarification on features versus bugs etc etc | 16:48 |
eharney | (which isn't a grizzly backport, it's oslo stable syncing, but still) | 16:48 |
bswartz | I ask because Rushi mentioned doing some backport of features from grizzly to folsom, and I was surprised that this was even allowed | 16:49 |
jgriffith | bswartz: he mentioned it to me and I was TOTALLY in favor of it | 16:49 |
bswartz | I think backporting features is a fine idea, as long as it doesn't get us into trouble | 16:49 |
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eharney | jgriffith: thanks, that would be helpful | 16:49 |
* rushiagr emembers jgriffith mentioning about backporting multi-backend and filter sched | 16:49 | |
jgriffith | So the rule of thumb is "it depends on the risk introduced" | 16:49 |
jgriffith | not very clear eh? | 16:49 |
jgriffith | rushiagr: yes, I would love it if we can do that | 16:50 |
avishay | if we start backporting everything though... | 16:50 |
jgriffith | avishay: no :) | 16:50 |
avishay | jgriffith: exactly :) | 16:50 |
jgriffith | avishay: it would have to be very selective | 16:50 |
jgriffith | avishay: I've picked the scheduler inparticular because a number of large providers have asked me for it | 16:51 |
jgriffith | and techinically the existing scheduler in Folsom is lacking to say the least | 16:51 |
bswartz | jgriffith: as PTL how much does your opinion count when it comes to deciding if a feature can be backported? | 16:51 |
jgriffith | bswartz: we'll find out :) | 16:52 |
bswartz | :-) | 16:52 |
bswartz | okay that's all I had | 16:52 |
jgriffith | bswartz: it should count for a bit, depending on the TC | 16:52 |
winston-d | jgriffith : can we do back-porting filter scheduler after grizzly released? | 16:52 |
jgriffith | winston-d: yeah, I think it would have to be | 16:52 |
xyang_ | jgriffith: can a new driver be backported to Folsom? | 16:52 |
jgriffith | winston-d: too much disruption to do it now IMO | 16:52 |
winston-d | jgriffith : i've been occupied lately so no much bandwidth to do that before design summit | 16:53 |
jgriffith | xyang_: I think that would be where the line would be | 16:53 |
jgriffith | I'll come up with guidelines and submit them to everyone later this week | 16:53 |
bswartz | xyang_: we (NetApp) do that all the time, but we release the backported code from our github repo rather than submitting to a stable branch in cinder | 16:53 |
jgriffith | bswartz: +1 I do the same thing | 16:53 |
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rushiagr | how about keeping cinder/volume/drivers folder open for backport? | 16:54 |
xyang_ | bswartz: so that's your private github repo? | 16:54 |
jgriffith | rushiagr: it's more difficult than that | 16:54 |
jgriffith | I'll write up guidelines | 16:55 |
bswartz | xyang_: public | 16:55 |
jgriffith | meanwhile I need to wrap up here | 16:55 |
jgriffith | we can all meet back up in openstack-cinder if folks have more they want to hammer out? | 16:55 |
jgriffith | I'll be offline for about an hour | 16:55 |
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bswartz | jgriffith: you forgot to #endmeeting | 16:57 |
avishay | thanks and bye everyone! | 16:57 |
xyang_ | bye | 16:57 |
kmartin | bye | 16:57 |
kmartin | bswartz: can you try ending the meeting? | 16:58 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
bswartz | I doubt it will work | 16:58 |
rushiagr | it works only with same nick | 16:58 |
bswartz | doh! | 16:58 |
rushiagr | and the bad part is jgriffith doesnt log out, and xen folks must be waiting | 16:58 |
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johnthetubaguy | we can use the alternative channel if needed | 16:59 |
johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 16:59 |
openstack | johnthetubaguy: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. | 16:59 |
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hemna | openstack can kick him....if someone has the passwd :P | 16:59 |
rushiagr | hemna: good idea! (if it works) | 16:59 |
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johnthetubaguy | try cinder lol | 16:59 |
guitarzan | hah | 17:00 |
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kmartin | lol | 17:00 |
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johnthetubaguy | OK, so join #openstack-meeting-alt for the XenAPI meeting today | 17:02 |
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johnthetubaguy | I hope that works out OK for people | 17:02 |
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BobBall | :) | 17:02 |
BobBall | Works fine for me | 17:02 |
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rushiagr | someone can change the channel message so people get to know the meeting has been shifted to alt channel? | 17:03 |
BobBall | matelakat, we're on #openstack-meeting-alt | 17:03 |
matelakat | Oh. | 17:03 |
matelakat | Ehy is that? | 17:03 |
matelakat | Why is that? | 17:04 |
BobBall | matelakat, because we can't stop the cinder meeting - the nick that started it isn't here :) | 17:04 |
guitarzan | jgriffith didn't end the meeting :) | 17:04 |
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sdake_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
openstack | sdake_: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. | 20:00 |
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asalkeld | great | 20:00 |
stevebaker_ | hi | 20:00 |
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asalkeld | jgriffith, can you end your meeting? | 20:01 |
zaneb | is the cinder meeting actually still going on? | 20:01 |
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asalkeld | no, just forgot to end it | 20:01 |
sdake_ | join openstack-meeting-alt - we will hold our meeting there | 20:01 |
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jgriffith | #endmeeting | 20:11 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 13 20:11:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:11 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-13-16.01.html | 20:11 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-13-16.01.txt | 20:11 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-13-16.01.log.html | 20:11 |
jgriffith | zaneb: sorry | 20:11 |
jgriffith | First time this month at least | 20:11 |
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jgriffith | asalkeld: apoligies | 20:12 |
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asalkeld | no worries we just moved to alt | 20:12 |
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nijaba | sorry everyone, some technical pb. Will be a few min late if you do not mind. start without me otherwise | 21:00 |
eglynn | nijaba: a few mins late is OK with me | 21:01 |
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shanewang | hello | 21:03 |
nijaba | ah, better. sorry about this, ready now | 21:03 |
nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 21:03 |
nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 21:03 |
nijaba | #chair nijaba | 21:03 |
nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:03 |
nijaba | ATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic | 21:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 13 21:03:20 2013 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:03 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:03 |
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openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 21:03 |
nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 21:03 |
nijaba | o/ | 21:03 |
eglynn | o/ | 21:03 |
llu-laptop | o/ | 21:03 |
asalkeld | o/ | 21:03 |
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danspraggins | o/ | 21:03 |
shanewang | o/ | 21:03 |
Shengjie_home | o/ | 21:03 |
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nealph | o/ | 21:04 |
nijaba | good to see everyone | 21:04 |
sew | o/ | 21:04 |
nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 21:04 |
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nijaba | #topic nijaba to check room allocation for ceilometer during summit | 21:04 |
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nijaba | I talked to ttx | 21:04 |
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epende | o/ | 21:05 |
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nijaba | says there shoud be no worry but will be something for the next ptl to worry about, as they shoudl do it in a couple weeks | 21:05 |
asalkeld | ok | 21:05 |
eglynn | cool | 21:05 |
nijaba | #topic dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library | 21:05 |
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nijaba | dhellmann is not around and apologized... | 21:06 |
nijaba | #action dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library | 21:06 |
nijaba | #topic dhellmann propose an ODS session for tempest integration | 21:06 |
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eglynn | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/87 | 21:06 |
nijaba | eglynn: thanks | 21:06 |
nijaba | #topic dhellmann approach documentation team about a joint session at ODS | 21:07 |
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eglynn | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/104 | 21:07 |
nijaba | #topic eglynn invite heat team to participate in doc and qa sessions at ODS | 21:07 |
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eglynn | done, they're happy to | 21:07 |
nijaba | great! | 21:07 |
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nijaba | #topic Organize a user doc sprint? | 21:07 |
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nijaba | I am not sure who proposed this | 21:08 |
eglynn | when were we planning that for? | 21:08 |
nijaba | anyone? | 21:08 |
eglynn | pre-grizzly? | 21:08 |
asalkeld | better be quick | 21:08 |
eglynn | prolly make more sense after we've spoken to the docs team | 21:09 |
nijaba | yep | 21:09 |
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eglynn | (i.e. after the joint session at summit) | 21:09 |
nijaba | +1 | 21:09 |
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llu-laptop | +1, though we should continue to improve our doc in the meantime | 21:09 |
nijaba | ok, moving on | 21:10 |
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nijaba | #topic Check status on RC1 | 21:10 |
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nijaba | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:10 |
nijaba | all bp implemeted | 21:10 |
nijaba | great! | 21:10 |
Shengjie_home | bravo! | 21:10 |
asalkeld | is jd back from holiday? | 21:11 |
nijaba | there are some open bugs | 21:11 |
zehndton | good! | 21:11 |
asalkeld | do we need to take his bugs? | 21:11 |
nijaba | asalkeld: not yet, the 16th | 21:11 |
nijaba | asalkeld: or retarget if it is not blocking | 21:11 |
eglynn | yolanda opened a new bug earlier https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1154596 ... might be a candidate for RC1 | 21:12 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1154596 in ceilometer "Cpu meters stop after stopping/resuming an instance" [Undecided,New] | 21:12 |
eglynn | I'll triage it in the morning and target it appropriate | 21:12 |
nijaba | eglynn: looks like one, yes... | 21:12 |
llu-laptop | we're still waiting for new version of python-keystoneclient on pypi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1151665 | 21:12 |
nijaba | any other bugs that should be retargeted? | 21:12 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1151665 in python-keystoneclient "Pypi python-keystoneclient(v0.2.2) not compatible with the latest oslo.config-1.1" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:12 |
llu-laptop | current this is wordround to depend on python-keystoneclient master | 21:13 |
llu-laptop | though one of the keystone guys just said in the email that they would plan to release 0.3.0 in RC1 time window | 21:14 |
nijaba | llu-laptop: ok, can someone attend keystone meeting, or go talk on their chan? | 21:14 |
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gordc | i don't think there is a keystone channel. a few keystone cores are in #openstack-dev right now | 21:15 |
nijaba | gordc: thanks | 21:15 |
llu-laptop | what's the time of their meeting? | 21:16 |
nijaba | anything else gerading the next milestone? | 21:16 |
gordc | nijaba: i can ask about client release | 21:16 |
gordc | llu-laptop: keystone meetings are on tuesday | 21:16 |
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nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:16 |
dolphm | following the discussions, i think it might be worthwhile to do a release of keystoneclient just for oslo, 0.2.3 or something | 21:17 |
llu-laptop | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/006616.html | 21:18 |
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llu-laptop | i'm not sure if it's their commitment | 21:18 |
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llu-laptop | 1800UTC, bad time for me :-( | 21:19 |
nijaba | dolphm: can you keep us informed of your final choice? | 21:19 |
dolphm | nijaba: sure | 21:19 |
nijaba | dolphm: thanks a lot | 21:20 |
shanewang | its better to have someone in the same time zone to follow up that. | 21:20 |
nijaba | what about bug #1060985? | 21:21 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1060985 in ceilometer "Notifications are lacking for the L3 API (router-interface add and remove)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060985 | 21:21 |
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nijaba | High, confirmed, unasigned... | 21:21 |
asalkeld | is a quantum patch needed? | 21:21 |
nijaba | asalkeld: marked released | 21:22 |
asalkeld | ok | 21:22 |
eglynn | quantum already patched https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18961/ | 21:22 |
eglynn | yep | 21:22 |
eglynn | so we need the corresponding fix on the ceilo side, right? | 21:22 |
llu-laptop | Should we add a new metric for this? | 21:23 |
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eglynn | yeah sounds like it | 21:23 |
nijaba | eglynn: it seems | 21:23 |
eglynn | I can have a look at that tmrw also | 21:23 |
nijaba | eglynn: nice :) | 21:23 |
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nijaba | anything else? anyone? | 21:24 |
nijaba | or shall we move on? | 21:24 |
asalkeld | all good | 21:24 |
llu-laptop | ok to move on for me | 21:24 |
eglynn | yep, lets move on | 21:24 |
nijaba | #topic open discussion | 21:24 |
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nijaba | topics, anyone? | 21:25 |
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Shengjie_home | summit dinner? what day is that? | 21:26 |
eglynn | we just agreed not Sundat night | 21:26 |
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eglynn | other than that it's still open IIRC | 21:26 |
eglynn | depends on the party schedule :) | 21:27 |
asalkeld | ha | 21:27 |
nijaba | board diner on sunday night, I'll try to bail out early ;) | 21:27 |
asalkeld | bored diner? | 21:27 |
Shengjie_home | 14th April | 21:27 |
asalkeld | ;) | 21:27 |
eglynn | any particular day suits folks? ... might be good the evening of the ceilometer track day | 21:28 |
nijaba | asalkeld: not so, but always more fun with you guys :) | 21:28 |
asalkeld | good idea eglynn | 21:28 |
Shengjie_home | shoot, goona miss it, arrive at sunday nite | 21:28 |
asalkeld | or before | 21:28 |
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eglynn | Shengjie_home: me too, and dhellmann also, so we agreed not to do it on the Sunday night if poss | 21:28 |
Shengjie_home | eglynn: that'd be great | 21:29 |
nijaba | eglynn: so that's great for me too! | 21:29 |
eglynn | asalkeld: yeah, the night before could work too | 21:29 |
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asalkeld | lets wait for the schedule first? | 21:30 |
nijaba | asalkeld: +1 | 21:30 |
eglynn | senisble | 21:30 |
Shengjie_home | agree. | 21:30 |
nijaba | anything else? | 21:31 |
eglynn | not hustling for votes but ... the PTL election closes midnight PST tmrw, so don't forget to vote if you haven't already | 21:31 |
eglynn | a good vote turn-out => a healthy project | 21:31 |
maksimov_ | who gets to vote? core? | 21:32 |
* maksimov_ says hi | 21:32 | |
eglynn | all contributors | 21:32 |
nealph | eglynn:thanks for the reminder...will pop out there. | 21:32 |
nijaba | maksimov_: active contributors in the past year | 21:32 |
maksimov_ | does a person with one commit count as active contributor? :) | 21:33 |
eglynn | yep | 21:33 |
Shengjie_home | eglynn: do you have the link off your hand | 21:33 |
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nijaba | maksimov_: yes, but you may be short on delay, I do not know the cuttoff date | 21:33 |
eglynn | Shengjie_home: you would have been mail a personalized link | 21:33 |
maksimov_ | nijaba: i'll have to check so | 21:33 |
eglynn | subject line ... Poll: Spring 2013 Ceilometer PTL Election | 21:34 |
Shengjie_home | eglynn: i think I got that now | 21:34 |
ttx | nijaba: will start discussion on summit track allocation Friday fwiw | 21:34 |
nijaba | ttx: ok, so right after the election result. thanks | 21:35 |
nealph | nijaba: if we've not consolidated summit topics by then will we consider rolling multiple into one session? | 21:35 |
ttx | nijaba: but you will have less slots than you already have proposed sessions | 21:35 |
maksimov_ | eglynn: so if there's no email it means i missed the cutoff? | 21:35 |
ttx | so merging a bit will be necessary methinks | 21:35 |
eglynn | maksimov_: sadly, yes | 21:35 |
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maksimov_ | eglynn: ok, so i guess i missed it :) | 21:35 |
* ttx checks proposed plan | 21:36 | |
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nealph | nijaba:ttx: sort of a forced merge? | 21:36 |
nijaba | nealph: yep, based on discussions | 21:36 |
ttx | My plan is to give ceilo 11 slots | 21:36 |
eglynn | maksimov_: are you a foundation member? | 21:36 |
nijaba | ttx: not bad | 21:36 |
maksimov_ | eglynn: i think i am | 21:37 |
ttx | nijaba: that's if all the others agree to give you room | 21:37 |
eglynn | maksimov_: membership was required to vote this time as well as a code contrib | 21:37 |
eglynn | maksimov_: details here in any case ... http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/006165.html | 21:37 |
maksimov_ | eglynn: i think i only merged last week, if memory serves | 21:37 |
nijaba | ttx: ah... | 21:37 |
ttx | nijaba: we'll see how that flies | 21:37 |
nijaba | ttx: ok, thanks | 21:37 |
eglynn | how many sessions do we have currently, 15/16 or so? | 21:38 |
llu-laptop | i just counted to 17 | 21:38 |
asalkeld | yiks | 21:38 |
nijaba | eglynn: and expect more before cuttoff | 21:38 |
eglynn | indeed | 21:38 |
asalkeld | cm devs are chatty;) | 21:39 |
nijaba | cm is popuplar :) | 21:39 |
eglynn | dhellmann cunningly assigned the tempest and docco sessions to the QA and Docs tracks ;) | 21:39 |
shanewang | when can we know the sessions submitted are selected for summit? | 21:40 |
nijaba | dhellmann was smart! | 21:40 |
nijaba | shanewang: the week before | 21:40 |
nijaba | for summit, not conference, right? | 21:41 |
nijaba | anything else? | 21:42 |
asalkeld | all good | 21:42 |
eglynn | nowt from me | 21:42 |
llu-laptop | nothing more | 21:42 |
shanewang | nothing | 21:42 |
nijaba | llu-laptop: can you go to openstack-dev about the client? | 21:43 |
llu-laptop | now? | 21:43 |
nijaba | thanks everyone | 21:43 |
Shengjie_home | cheers | 21:43 |
nijaba | llu-laptop: yup, dolphm asking a few q | 21:43 |
nijaba | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 13 21:44:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-13-21.03.html | 21:44 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-13-21.03.txt | 21:44 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-13-21.03.log.html | 21:44 |
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