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| topol | Hi Time for keystone? | 18:02 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:02 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:02 |
| heckj | o/ | 18:02 |
| heckj | #startmeeting keystone | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 26 18:03:01 2013 UTC. The chair is heckj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:03 |
| heckj | Ola all | 18:03 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:03 |
| heckj | #topic burning issues | 18:04 |
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| heckj | So we've got RC1 cut, and very active work going on with trusts and pluggable authn mechanisms | 18:04 |
| henrynash | rc1 is cut already? | 18:05 |
| heckj | Did Thierry actually give us an extension on that? | 18:05 |
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| topol | Did pluggable authn make the cut? | 18:05 |
| henrynash | oh, you mean "one of our issues is the rc1 cut", (I hope) | 18:05 |
| heckj | henrynash: the blueprints are closed up for G3, and the trusts and authn shifted to RC1 | 18:05 |
| heckj | yeah, sorry - G3 was cut | 18:05 |
| henrynash | heckj: phew | 18:06 |
| heckj | I didn't get any formal word from Thierry - was hoping maybe one of you had on IRC | 18:06 |
| topol | Whats the date for RC1 availability? | 18:06 |
| heckj | topol: here's all that I know: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 18:06 |
| heckj | At the RC meetings in a few hours, theirry wil propsoe and start to come up with an RC1 cut time to trial the first one. It's not yet nailed down on time | 18:07 |
| gyee | heckj, pluggable auth is mostly there, probably some minor tweaks to dolphm's liking | 18:07 |
| heckj | I'd guess he's aiming at Mar 14th | 18:07 |
| dolphm | pluggable is technically merged, but plugins have some responsibility that i think needs to be extracted | 18:07 |
| dolphm | heckj: march 14 seems really late? | 18:08 |
| dolphm | heckj: for rc1 at least | 18:08 |
| heckj | dolphm: I'm basing it on his release schedule - at least what I see | 18:08 |
| dolphm | heckj: hmm... i just figured it'd be asap after feature freeze extensions were up, and critical bugs were fixed | 18:09 |
| heckj | We've got two weeks until thierry is wanting RC cuts, that means any heavy lifting needs to be done now, and only cleanup & bugs over this next week | 18:09 |
| heckj | dolphm: I think he's giving 2 weeks to get the critical bugs fixed in this schedule | 18:09 |
| henrynash | heckj: I have some minor bug fixes…but only major one is to make sure that the keystone middleware understands a v3 token | 18:09 |
| heckj | (at the last summit, the keystone topcs were directly against Thierry's sessions, so I could go see them) | 18:10 |
| dolphm | that's nice of him :) | 18:10 |
| heckj | henrynash: sounds good. We'll need to be very careful about heavy tweaks to auth_token - even though that's now in the client (which isn't aligned by the other release schedules), I'd prefer not to have the world pissed off at us for breaking a release :-) | 18:11 |
| dolphm | definitely going to be a lot of client activity over the next month | 18:11 |
| dolphm | which will hopefully reveal more bugs in keystone | 18:11 |
| henrynash | heckj: I hear you | 18:11 |
| heckj | wow - I am totally not used to this new wiki setup | 18:11 |
| heckj | So - topics are pretty open. Nothing on the agenda anyway | 18:12 |
| heckj | #topic open discussion | 18:12 |
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| heckj | I see dolphm and ayoung charging ahead on the dev channel | 18:12 |
| dolphm | :) | 18:12 |
| gyee | heckj, its too late to submit blueprint for the summit? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | we can continue here | 18:13 |
| gyee | is it? | 18:13 |
| heckj | FWIW - quite some time ago I registred and coordinated a #keystone-dev channel on IRC if the signal-to-noise ration gets bad for y'all | 18:13 |
| ayoung | gyee, only too late for the public talks | 18:13 |
| dolphm | gyee: i think http://summit.openstack.org just opened a week or so ago | 18:13 |
| heckj | gyee: internal is still very open | 18:13 |
| ayoung | design topics for us are wide open | 18:13 |
| henrynash | dolphm: fyi, you still have a keystone client change for v3 auth….probably good to get that in | 18:13 |
| heckj | #link please submit design talks to http://summit.openstack.org | 18:13 |
| dolphm | heckj: #openstack-keystone? | 18:13 |
| dolphm | henrynash: definitely | 18:14 |
| gyee | heckj, cool, I'll submit the blueprints then | 18:14 |
| heckj | dolphm: would make more sense - this was before the other rooms existed, and monty arranged it for me | 18:14 |
| dolphm | henrynash: that's now broken by recent spec changes, btw | 18:14 |
| dachary | I'm interested in http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/6 | 18:14 |
| dolphm | heckj: -dev is going to die off :P | 18:15 |
| henrynash | dolphm: yep, saw thta | 18:15 |
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| topol | I kind of like having a place where everyone was getting global knowledge | 18:15 |
| heckj | dolphm: not surprised I guess | 18:15 |
| heckj | we never used it, but wanted to mention it since it was there | 18:15 |
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| topol | People who I had know idea who they were would answer questions I was pestering dolphm or ayoung with | 18:16 |
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| heckj | If it still works, don't move from it | 18:16 |
| heckj | topol: I agree - I still lurk and periodically try to answer things in #openstack | 18:16 |
| dolphm | heckj: i'm more worried that we cause too much noise for other projects | 18:16 |
| heckj | dolphm: don't be | 18:17 |
| gyee | topol, lets revisit our LDAP strategy at the summit | 18:17 |
| dolphm | heckj: -dev makes a lot of sense for cross project chatter | 18:17 |
| dachary | have you heard of #openstack-101 ? | 18:17 |
| heckj | saw something in the ML about it, but haven't been in there | 18:17 |
| topol | gyee, Yes. I was planning on submitting something. Want to do it jointly? | 18:17 |
| dolphm | topol: gyee: +1 make it a long session :) | 18:18 |
| gyee | dolphm, oh yes | 18:18 |
| dachary | FWIW, my focus is on storage and I'm trying to figure out how keystone + KMIP can help with volume encryption ( hence my interest in http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/6 ) | 18:18 |
| gyee | topol, I don't have anything specific right now, was thinking of a new LDAP auth plugin | 18:18 |
| dolphm | review requested (not ayoung you're busy :P): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22893/ | 18:19 |
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| topol | gyee, exactly!!! | 18:19 |
| topol | gyee, I will bring use cases! | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | dachary: we're on track for that with /v3/credentials | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, does that need to be in before the meeting today? I am afraid it is going to cause rebase issues with trusts. I am willing to fix them afterwards if that is the case | 18:20 |
| dachary | dolphm: good :_) | 18:20 |
| ayoung | return self.auth['identity']['methods'] is not how the trust tests are calling. | 18:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: with an ldap auth plugin, we might want to consider killing the ldap identity driver? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, nope | 18:20 |
| ayoung | there is need for the LDAP identity as well | 18:20 |
| gyee | dolphm, yes, we need a strategy for read-only LDAP use cases | 18:21 |
| dolphm | gyee: we're struggling to support domains and groups and stuff as-is | 18:21 |
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| topol | ayoung +1, don't kill it. Let just have good options for readonly ldap | 18:21 |
| gyee | dolphm, understood, that's why we need to take a hard look at LDAP again | 18:21 |
| ayoung | topol, yes | 18:21 |
| topol | dolphm, sahdev will soon post code for group ldap | 18:22 |
| dolphm | cool | 18:22 |
| dolphm | i'm not saying we need to kill it, i'm just saying it sounds like an option for H+2 if we wanted to | 18:22 |
| topol | dolphm, WIP is out there. He says he is 75% done. Will need some experts to review it though | 18:22 |
| gyee | topol, I can review it if you want | 18:23 |
| topol | gyee, excellent! | 18:23 |
| topol | dolph, But I still agree we need to revisit for read only ldap | 18:24 |
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| gyee | topol, most enterprises won't let an app make changes to corporate LDAP, especially schema changes :) | 18:26 |
| topol | gyee, Thats what I keep hearing. | 18:26 |
| heckj | gyee, topol yep - probably the biggest informal complaint I've heard of our LDAP support to date | 18:27 |
| gyee | in my past experience, 99.999% of the time we have to deal with read-only corporate LDAPs | 18:27 |
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| topol | Gyee, I agree. We need to be able to handle that scenario very well. In fact someone named Brant will contact you to see if your pluggable authentication will help us | 18:28 |
| gyee | apache mod_ldap is a good example of how LDAP auth is supposed to be done | 18:28 |
| topol | Gyee, Your 99% issue is my biggest headache to worry about for this year | 18:28 |
| bknudson | gyee: I was wondering if I could use the pluggable authentication for ldap auth in grizzly | 18:28 |
| gyee | topol, not 99%, its 99.999% :) | 18:29 |
| topol | Gyee, bknudson= Brant :-) | 18:29 |
| gyee | bknudson, lets work on porting apache mod_ldap | 18:30 |
| bknudson | we've got projects here that ask how to use ldap with openstack and think that the ldap backend might be what they're looking for... | 18:30 |
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| bknudson | but these projects are going to be used in enterprise envs where the ldap backend won't work | 18:30 |
| topol | Gyee, I'm hoping your pluggable authn will allow us to handle the use cases bknudson is seeing | 18:31 |
| bknudson | gyee: you mean somehow using mod_ldap directly or re-implementing what it does in python? | 18:31 |
| gyee | topol, it will | 18:31 |
| gyee | bknudson, we need to port mod_ldap to python | 18:31 |
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| gyee | should be very straight forward | 18:31 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes, I've already got something like it already in a branch. just not using pluggable auth modules. | 18:32 |
| topol | So Gyee, you, bknudson, and I should setup sometime to discuss the options | 18:32 |
| gyee | topol, bknudson, sounds good | 18:33 |
| gyee | that's going to be good topic for the summit | 18:33 |
| bknudson | bknudson: sure, whenever it's convenient. | 18:33 |
| bknudson | gyee: sure, whenever it's convenient. | 18:34 |
| topol | gyee, definitely! | 18:34 |
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| gyee | dolphm, what was the reason we got rid the "extra" attributes from the spec? | 18:36 |
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| dolphm | gyee: in which part? it was never in v2, and shouldn't have been in any v3 calls -- i'm a little lost on why it was intentionally added to auth though | 18:37 |
| dolphm | gyee: it's always intended to be a feature of the sql driver -- nothing more | 18:37 |
| gyee | dolphm, ok, I was under the impression extra is for deployment-specific attributes | 18:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: all drivers should be capable of regurgitating arbitrary attributes (like description) on any entity without requiring explicit support for it -- sql does that by stashing them into the 'extra' column | 18:38 |
| gyee | but "extra" is not carry over to the APIs? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: no, it shouldn't be | 18:39 |
| gyee | dolphm, reason I am asking is how to extend APIs without having to make schema changes | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | gyee: sql.DictBase.as_dict() packs unrecognized attributes into 'extra' and then sql.DictBase.to_dict() unpacks the 'extra' column into first-class attributes | 18:39 |
| dolphm | gyee: depends on if you're asking from an api perspective or impl perspective | 18:40 |
| henrynash | dolphm:…although I think we might filter them out in the sql driver when we unpack them (which is odd to me) | 18:40 |
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| gyee | dolphm, from API standpoint | 18:41 |
| heckj | one of the things we probably need to serious consider is setting up a better API extension mechanism in Keystone - Nova has a decent (if complex) one, and there's clear need from these recurring requests | 18:41 |
| gyee | heckj, absolutely agreed | 18:41 |
| gyee | nova was asking for metadata | 18:41 |
| gyee | metadata for the projects | 18:41 |
| gyee | like quota classes, zone availability, etc | 18:42 |
| heckj | yeah - quota is one that's been talked about for some time, but hasn't had effort against it yet | 18:42 |
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| henrynash | gyee: heck: +1 on all that | 18:43 |
| heckj | things that are closely associated with either user identity or project "attributes" (not meaning the dwchadwick term there) | 18:43 |
| gyee | heckj, we need to figure out how to carry arbitrary metadata for the resources | 18:43 |
| dolphm | henrynash: not sure what you mean by filter them out -- v3 tests are exercising that in a few entities | 18:44 |
| gyee | heckj, sounds like another good topic for the summit | 18:44 |
| henrynash | dolphm: let me see if I can find the case I was looking at later…may be that I was reading it wrong | 18:44 |
| henrynash | dolphm: excellent if we have tests that ensure it works | 18:45 |
| dolphm | gyee: we can do it today -- add any attribute to a POST /projects requests and it'll work | 18:45 |
| dolphm | gyee: we just don't return it on auth or anything | 18:45 |
| gyee | dolphm, for auth, client can follow the links retrieve the full object right? | 18:45 |
| gyee | I mean we do/will return the links | 18:46 |
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| dolphm | gyee: that's the goal | 18:48 |
| dolphm | gyee: i don't think we do any cross-controller calls today, but the wrap_member methods are classmethods, so it should be trivial | 18:49 |
| gyee | dolphm, sounds good | 18:50 |
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| dolphm | gyee: maybe refactor that to a link_member method since you may not need to wrap them with {"entity": {}} | 18:53 |
| heckj | I'm going to wrap up the meeting... | 18:54 |
| heckj | #endmeeting | 18:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 26 18:54:50 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-02-26-18.03.html | 18:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-02-26-18.03.txt | 18:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-02-26-18.03.log.html | 18:54 |
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| clarkb | fungi: jeblair mordred pleia2 zaro ping | 19:00 |
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| zaro | yo! | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | here | 19:01 |
| jeblair | hi | 19:01 |
| fungi | sorry, snuck away to find a quick if somewhat late lunch | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 26 19:02:17 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic previous meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
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| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-19-19.02.html | 19:03 |
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| fungi | disabling the old wiki... | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | shiny new wiki | 19:03 |
| fungi | notified the openstack and openstack-dev lists | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg21102.html | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-February/005993.html | 19:03 |
| jeblair | fungi: cool, any change to the plan? | 19:03 |
| fungi | jeblair: not as of yet. i'll comment those aliases out on friday as it stands now | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #action fungi disable old-wiki sometime after mar 1 | 19:04 |
| fungi | or monday. whenever | 19:04 |
| jeblair | how bout the quantal images? | 19:04 |
| fungi | i finally decided formal contact was probably in order, and opened a ticket under our openstackjenkins account | 19:05 |
| fungi | they've since confirmed something's not right with their image metadata, but not fixed it yet | 19:05 |
| fungi | at least not as of a couple hours ago when i tested again | 19:05 |
| jeblair | cool. progress! | 19:06 |
| fungi | seemingly so, anyway | 19:06 |
| fungi | if/when that works, i'll propose changes to all the projects | 19:06 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb, mordred: we have good ram limits for hpcloud now... | 19:07 |
| jeblair | but i think az3 is still broken for us | 19:07 |
| mordred | yay | 19:07 |
| mordred | boo | 19:07 |
| jeblair | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/devstack-update-vm-image-hpcloud-az3/13/console | 19:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: would it be a good idea for mordred to yell at more people? | 19:08 |
| mordred | ugh. do I need to yell at MORE people? | 19:08 |
| fungi | or maybe buy him a megaphone | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #action mordred yell at hpcloud to fix the openstackjenkins account (az3 doesn't work) | 19:09 |
| clarkb | jeblair: maybe. The support folks claim it is enabled for us | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I am guessing that the account is special enough that some extra bit needs flipping | 19:09 |
| jeblair | great. :) | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | #topic New CLA | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | so the exciting news is what we _didn't_ do this weekend! | 19:10 |
| fungi | that didn't happen... *sigh* | 19:10 |
| mordred | yay! | 19:10 |
| mordred | wait | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-February/005960.html | 19:10 |
| jeblair | so the suggested change has been merged | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/22910 | 19:11 |
| fungi | was that the only pending alteration? if so should i send a new announcement to the dev ml pointing people at it? | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | i chatted with the foundation staff this morning, and they figure that if we send out an announcement today, that should be enough review time (since it's a relatively minor change) | 19:11 |
| fungi | and do we want to pick a new date yet, or is that premature? | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | so i think we're ready to pick a new date at our convenience, then send an announcement | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:12 |
| fungi | works for me. when's convenient for everyone? | 19:12 |
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| fungi | the previous date was chosen in part based on input from ttx, to accommodate the development cycle | 19:13 |
| jeblair | Sunday (Mar 3) works for me | 19:13 |
| clarkb | I can probably spend a few hours on the third | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i imagine earlier is better than later as far as that goes | 19:13 |
| clarkb | (I can't do saturday) | 19:13 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | Mar 3 would be great for me too | 19:13 |
| mordred | I'm free the 3rd | 19:13 |
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| fungi | okay, let's tentatively say the 3rd. i need to check with my meatspace event coordinator to confirm my calendar | 19:14 |
| fungi | assuming it checks out, i'll send the notification and announcement this afternoon | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 19:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: great | 19:14 |
| jeblair | #action fungi announce new CLA cutover | 19:14 |
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| fungi | the plan is all set, for anyone who wants to look it over and didn't get a chance last weekend | 19:15 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/cla-maintenance-2012 | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | oh drat, I actually have a class until noon pacific | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | but I'll be around all afternoon :) | 19:16 |
| fungi | pleia2: you can take the "re-re-reexplain to people who didn't read" shift ;) | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | right! | 19:16 |
| jeblair | oh, anyone want to move it one hour earlier? | 19:16 |
| anteaya | I will probably be onto other things by the 3rd but I can make some time to help out | 19:16 |
| fungi | i'm cool with 17:00 utc if everyone else is | 19:17 |
| fungi | i'll be onto my second pot of coffee by then regardless | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i think this time we found out we're pretty much staged and ready to go, so we don't need any prep time | 19:17 |
| jeblair | mordred, clarkb: 1700 (9am pacific) work for you, or would you prefer 10? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | 10 is better but 9 works | 19:18 |
| fungi | yeah, as long as everyone who wants to +1/+2 the changes goes ahead, i'll leave my -2 in place until 1700 | 19:18 |
| fungi | or 1800. whatever. you lot decide | 19:18 |
| jeblair | #startvote When should we start the CLA cutover? 1700, 1800 | 19:19 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: When should we start the CLA cutover? Valid vote options are 1700, 1800. | 19:19 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #vote 1700 | 19:19 |
| * fungi abstains | 19:19 | |
| mordred | either is fine with me ... | 19:20 |
| fungi | clarkb vs jeblair... cage match to decide the outcome | 19:20 |
| jeblair | "abtains" and "either is fine with me" were not options. :) | 19:21 |
| fungi | ha | 19:21 |
| mordred | fine... | 19:21 |
| mordred | #vote 1700 | 19:21 |
| fungi | #vote 1700 | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | #vote 1700 | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I will play along | 19:21 |
| jeblair | #endvote | 19:22 |
| openstack | Voted on "When should we start the CLA cutover?" Results are | 19:22 |
| openstack | 1700 (4): mordred, jeblair, clarkb, fungi | 19:22 |
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| fungi | honestly, i'll cut and paste the stuff from that etherpad and the rest of you can just pitch in once i break stuff | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:23 |
| fungi | shouldn't be difficult nor time consuming | 19:23 |
| jeblair | next on the agenda is 'jenkins slave operating systems' which i think we more or less covered... | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #topic grenade | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | dean troyer has merged some changes to bring the grenade running code up to date... | 19:23 |
| jeblair | so i think it's on us (me, probably) to add a test job that actually runs it... | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | #topic gearman | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | zaro: are you around? | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | zaro: let us know when you're back | 19:27 |
| jeblair | #topic reviewday | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: how's that going? | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | it's ongoing | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | fungi did a review this morning which I hope will get me to the end of things very soon | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | we do need to set up a gerrit user for it once the puppet configs are done though | 19:27 |
| zaro | sorry, i'm back | 19:27 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/21158 | 19:28 |
| fungi | pleia2: that? | 19:28 |
| jeblair | pleia2: ok, that shouldn't be too hard. does anything about reviewday or the repo need to change? | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | fungi: thanks | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: I've already patched reviewday itself for everything we needed (most notably command line option for output directory) | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | so we should be good | 19:29 |
| jeblair | pleia2: groovy | 19:29 |
| jeblair | #topic gearman | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | zaro: so things are coming along with the gearman plugin | 19:30 |
| zaro | yes, last checkin exposed a bug in jenkins. | 19:30 |
| zaro | due to switch to using maven3 | 19:30 |
| zaro | found the problem. clarkb will help me fix it after meeting. | 19:31 |
| zaro | but things are in good shape. | 19:31 |
| jeblair | awesome! what's the short version of the problem? | 19:31 |
| zaro | Jenkins fails build because one of it's core components attempts to download hpi-plugin from a bad location. | 19:32 |
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| zaro | workaround is to override the location in maven settings.xml | 19:32 |
| jeblair | zaro: you mentioned that we still need to get queue canceling added to gearman. have you talked to brian about it? | 19:33 |
| zaro | gearman plugin is going well. only 2 more items to do | 19:33 |
| jeblair | mordred could probably lobby for us too. | 19:33 |
| zaro | yes, cancel jobs from gearman queue and updating gearman functions as nodes come online/offline. | 19:34 |
| zaro | that would be swell | 19:34 |
| jeblair | mordred: thoughts? | 19:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'll ping him about it | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: i think there are already methods to de-register functions, right? | 19:35 |
| zaro | i've talked to brian about 2 weeks ago but have not gotten to check with hime again. | 19:35 |
| mordred | I think he said someone had written a dequeue function | 19:35 |
| zaro | yes, there are methods to de-register. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: oh, i see, that was one of your '2 more items to do'. | 19:36 |
| jeblair | zaro: i thought that was something that needed adding to gearman itself. | 19:36 |
| mordred | and we're sure we need gearman queue cancelling? I thought we'd come up with a workaround for that... | 19:36 |
| zaro | jeblair: no. we can unregister. what we need is the dequeue | 19:37 |
| jeblair | there's a workaround but it's crazy silly. | 19:37 |
| jeblair | and likely has race conditions.. | 19:37 |
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| zaro | brian told me he would check on why there's no dequeue. but he did say that it's probably not there for a good reason | 19:38 |
| zaro | but he couldn't think of the good reason. | 19:38 |
| mordred | ok. do we have a writeup anywhere of the why? last time I tried to tell brian we needed it he asked me about like, 12 different gearman patterns | 19:38 |
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| zaro | why we need it? | 19:39 |
| jeblair | mordred: i know i've written about it in some emails to zaro | 19:39 |
| mordred | k | 19:39 |
| mordred | I mean, I grok in general - but I find it's good to distil needs into very specific nuggets - brian is a busy guy | 19:39 |
| zaro | i gave him my use case and he said it made sense. | 19:39 |
| mordred | k. cool | 19:39 |
| mordred | I guess it helps that zaro is in the office with him | 19:40 |
| jeblair | mordred, zaro: let me know if i can help either by writing more emails or a phone call or something. | 19:40 |
| mordred | in any case, I think he said that someone made a gearman extension to do it at some point... | 19:40 |
| mordred | cool | 19:40 |
| zaro | is there a place to search for gearman extensions? i must have missed it in the docs. | 19:40 |
| jeblair | (i didn't know there were extensions) | 19:41 |
| mordred | of course there are extensions. what isn't pluggable these days? | 19:41 |
| mordred | and I don't know... | 19:42 |
| zaro | ok. i'll take an action to ressearch. | 19:42 |
| jeblair | https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agearman.org+extensions | 19:42 |
| jeblair | :( | 19:42 |
| jeblair | #topic Registering IANA PEN | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | i've started an email thread with heckj and some others about their need for OIDs | 19:44 |
| jeblair | if they do need them, i can register the PEN, and we can adopt a process like debian uses for internal allocation underneath it | 19:44 |
| jeblair | #link http://dsa.debian.org/iana/ | 19:44 |
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| jeblair | but i'm not sure it's needed at this point. i'll let you know how it turns out | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:46 |
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| heckj | jeblair: howdy | 19:47 |
| heckj | I don't think we need it now | 19:47 |
| jeblair | heckj: ok. btw, i believe SNMP and LDAP share PEN allocations | 19:47 |
| heckj | just sent you, lauren, and topol an email related - would prefer to discuss at the summit what we should be doing - I just don't know the specifics, but it seemed to heavily overlap with SNMP OIDs | 19:47 |
| heckj | Ahhh!!! | 19:47 |
| heckj | Well, regardless, I'd like to maybe have that discussion a little more broadly, so if it's not a burning issue I'd rather discuss and then do :-) | 19:48 |
| heckj | jeblair: that work for you? | 19:48 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:48 |
| topol | heckj +1 | 19:48 |
| jeblair | heckj: absolutely. :) | 19:48 |
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| fungi | before i forget, there was a suggestion last week that maybe we should subsume chmouel's openstackwatch.rss into jeepyb, in case anyone's looking for a fun integration project | 19:49 |
| fungi | #link https://github.com/chmouel/openstackwatch.rss | 19:49 |
| mordred | oh yeah. I forgot about that | 19:49 |
| jeblair | heckj, topol: i think the main issues are (a) do we need one (is it appropriate for any activity we're doing), and (b) how to manage sub-allocations internally | 19:50 |
| anteaya | fungi, if it doesn't require me to set up an environment, I can work on that | 19:50 |
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| heckj | jeblair: yeah - that's what I came into as well. I'm guessing that as soon as we open that door, it'll be wanted for lots of pieces | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: you mentioned ssl certificates the other day, are we monitoring thoes expiration dates with any tools? should we? (I use nagios personally, but there are tons of tools/scripts out there) | 19:50 |
| topol | jeblair, Makes sense! | 19:50 |
| fungi | anteaya: i believe he's been running it by connecting with his personal gerrit account, so probably easy to test with no special access | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | fungi, I will take a look, is there any bug report or blueprint for me to track my progress? | 19:51 |
| jeblair | heckj: you want to propose a summit session? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | pleia2: I don't think we are monitoring them with any special tools. I just opened the 4 or so we had in a browser | 19:51 |
| jeblair | topol: or you? | 19:51 |
| fungi | anteaya: nah, it was an informal discussion | 19:51 |
| anteaya | fungi, very good | 19:51 |
| clarkb | I am working on making the jclouds jenkins plugin useable as a replacement for the scp plugin | 19:52 |
| jeblair | clarkb: pleia2 we could use a cron certwatch script, which is a little lighter weight than nagios | 19:52 |
| * anteaya has a question when it is her turn | 19:52 | |
| heckj | jeblair: woll do | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: shall I toss this in a bug report? | 19:52 |
| heckj | er, will do | 19:52 |
| jeblair | clarkb, pleia2: i'm also okay with nagios if someone wants to set that up. though i don't think it should page anyone. :) | 19:53 |
| jeblair | heckj: awesome, thanks | 19:53 |
| jeblair | anteaya: your turn! | 19:53 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:53 |
| jeblair | pleia2: yes please | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | nagios is a bit much for just this one check, so unless we have other things to monitor... | 19:53 |
| anteaya | I come from a ruby and rails background, yesterday I saw the puppet-dashboard module for the first time | 19:54 |
| anteaya | it looked like it could tolerate a little tidying, just wondering if anyone had any thoughts | 19:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: ^ | 19:54 |
| zaro | jeblair, mordred : could i get your feedback on my comment to issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1082802 ? | 19:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1082802 in openstack-ci "Write gearman job server jenkins plugin" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:54 |
| mordred | I agree. it could tolerate tidying | 19:54 |
| anteaya | mordred, very good, I will give it some focus and see what I come up with | 19:55 |
| mordred | zaro: I will comment - the job-server plugin I was suggesting is a much more invasive and crazy thing | 19:55 |
| jeblair | mordred: are we still running a fork of the dashboard? | 19:55 |
| mordred | zaro: tl;dr - replace jenkins' internal job queue implementation with gearman | 19:56 |
| mordred | jeblair: no, we're running a fork of the dashboard puppet module | 19:56 |
| jeblair | mordred: why is that again? (sorry) | 19:56 |
| mordred | jeblair: because the upstream one was broken in some manner. I honestly don't remember | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | mordred: so perhaps anteaya could think about upstreaming whatever it was you fixed too? | 19:57 |
| mordred | also, I believe upstream trunk was also in an unusable state - so although I think I submitted a pull request, I don't think that helped | 19:57 |
| jeblair | oh, ok. | 19:57 |
| mordred | also, I believe dashboard is quickly becoming abandonware, if it isn't already | 19:57 |
| jeblair | i thought i heard some people stepped up to keep it going? | 19:58 |
| mordred | did they? neat! | 19:58 |
| anteaya | let's have that discussion then, no sense me wasting time on abandonware | 19:58 |
| jeblair | clarkb: am i making things up? | 19:58 |
| mordred | don't listen to me - I'm apparently stypid | 19:58 |
| * olaph types this so meetbot will count him present... | 19:59 | |
| fungi | heh | 19:59 |
| anteaya | so, if I understand correctly, I need to scope the current puppet-dashboard module repo and possibly the .git history? | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: at any rate, you now have some more vague and incomplete information that might help with a code archeology project. | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | hah | 20:00 |
| anteaya | vague and incomplete, the best kind of information | 20:00 |
| jeblair | anteaya: but we really do rely on dashboard, so whatever you can do will be appreciated. :) | 20:00 |
| * anteaya grabs her bullwhip and fedora | 20:00 | |
| jeblair | time's up, thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 26 20:00:44 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-26-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-26-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-26-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| anteaya | jeblair, I'll do my best | 20:00 |
| mordred | anybody around for a TC meeting? | 20:01 |
| nijaba | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| * annegentle waves | 20:01 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| zykes- | Foreman ? :) | 20:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 20:01 |
| jd__ | hi | 20:01 |
| danwent | o/ | 20:01 |
| heckj | o/ | 20:01 |
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| bcwaldon | hey hey | 20:02 |
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| mordred | that's six... | 20:02 |
| notmyname | here | 20:02 |
| mordred | russellb, jgriffith, vishy, jaypipes, gabrielhurley ? | 20:03 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:03 |
| gabrielhurley | here now | 20:03 |
| russellb | hi | 20:03 |
| mordred | nine is pretty good | 20:03 |
| mordred | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 26 20:03:27 2013 UTC. The chair is mordred. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| bcwaldon | vishy is on his way | 20:03 |
| vishy | hi | 20:03 |
| mordred | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| mordred | agenda is above | 20:03 |
| mordred | #topic End-of-cycle graduation review: Ceilometer - Scope complementarity | 20:04 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:04 |
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| mordred | next up is talking about Ceilometer scope | 20:04 |
| mordred | nijaba: you wanna kick that off? | 20:04 |
| nijaba | sure | 20:05 |
| nijaba | so, who has read the wiki page we prepared? | 20:05 |
| heckj | read it last week - was it changed? | 20:05 |
| nijaba | or do you want me to cover some summary? | 20:05 |
| nijaba | heckj: yes, quite a bit, lots of schemas | 20:05 |
| eglynn | heckj: yep, it's been updated today | 20:05 |
| mordred | link? | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/Graduation | 20:05 |
| mordred | thanks | 20:05 |
| heckj | thanks | 20:06 |
| nijaba | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/Graduation | 20:06 |
| mordred | sepcifically, this section is to discuss "desirability of integrate Ceilometer in the common OpenStack Havana release" (to steal ttx's words) | 20:06 |
| heckj | the biggest question in my mind is where do you currently draw the line on "Not Ceilometer"? | 20:06 |
| mordred | Is the project complementary in scope, or overlapping with others ? | 20:06 |
| mordred | which makes heckj's question a good one :) | 20:06 |
| heckj | :-) | 20:07 |
| nijaba | I think this is covered in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/Graduation#Detailed_scoping_of_future_monitoring_support | 20:07 |
| heckj | so not only data collection and aggregattion, but some evaluation and post-process means as well? | 20:07 |
| nijaba | so in short, we collect metrics, we do metering, and we do the part of alerting that makes sense to hae close toe the data collection | 20:07 |
| notmyname | would you consider swift's statsd integration (for hundreds of metrics) to be overlapping with seilometer? | 20:08 |
| notmyname | s/seilometer/ceilometer | 20:08 |
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| nijaba | notmyname: no, it should be a potential source | 20:08 |
| eglynn | notmyname: ... and ceilometer would be the more general mechanism, covering openstack services other than swift | 20:09 |
| notmyname | eglynn: well, sure, but so it's statsd ;-) | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname: in your analogy we're not statsd, we're the tool that sends data to statsd | 20:10 |
| swifterdarrell | dhellmann: I don't think it was an analogy--Swift emits StatsD-formatted UDP packets (if configured) | 20:11 |
| eglynn | notmyname: note the dotted line in this schema also ... https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/5/50/Ceilometer-multi-publish2.jpg | 20:11 |
| notmyname | there's no analogy. perhaps bad phrasing on my part. do you envision that the metrics that swift currently has using statsd will be replaced by ceilometer metrics | 20:11 |
| swifterdarrell | dhellmann: I think notmyname's point was that if ceilometer consumes that, it would have to at least implement the receiving half of the StatsD protocol? | 20:11 |
| markmc | <notmyname> eglynn: well, sure, but so it's statsd ;-) | 20:11 |
| sandywalsh | (imho, in the swift case we would be pulling aggregated data from statsd or logs ... otherwise the volume would be too great for CM to relay) | 20:11 |
| * markmc assumes s/it's/is/ there | 20:11 | |
| nijaba | notmyname: why would we replace? We are just a conduit that people can chose to use | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | right, I think it would be more useful to talk about what stats ceilometer could collect for other projects that aren't collecting them, to avoid having every project do their own thing | 20:12 |
| eglynn | markmc: ok, that would make more sense | 20:12 |
| notmyname | that's all I'm asking. my day-to-day involves a certain metrics-gathering system. does that need to change (that's a general question that can apply to all projects) | 20:12 |
| heckj | nijaba: eglynn for the pieces that interact with Heat - the alarming and such, when (which release cycle) are you thinking you'll expand into that space? You talk about phases, but I'm not sure how they match to releases. | 20:12 |
| eglynn | heckj: Havan cycle | 20:13 |
| nijaba | heckj: havanah for sure | 20:13 |
| eglynn | s/Havan/Havana/ | 20:13 |
| * heckj nods | 20:13 | |
| mordred | word | 20:13 |
| nijaba | mordred: word? | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: if you want all of your data going to statsd, then ceilometer will support that (when we write that publisher) | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | so I think that's a "no" | 20:14 |
| mordred | nijaba: old slang. nevermind. I was nodding | 20:14 |
| nijaba | np | 20:14 |
| eglynn | heckj: in https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/8/8d/Ceilometer-monitoring-scope.jpeg ... blue = G, orange = H, yellow = Never | 20:14 |
| heckj | (omg, it's "old" slang?) | 20:14 |
| heckj | eglynn: ah - thank you | 20:14 |
| gabrielhurley | heckj, mordred: nah, us youngsters still say "word" | 20:15 |
| mordred | ok. so any more on that topic before we move on to general final Q&A ? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | so by the H release you intend to have APIs that people can use? and for G release people can use this publisher? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: we have a web api now | 20:16 |
| mordred | #topic End-of-cycle graduation review: Ceilometer - Final Q&A | 20:16 |
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| eglynn | annegentle: we have a metering API in G, will have alarming APIs in H | 20:16 |
| nijaba | annegentle: for G we have the multi publisher architecture complete, which then allows to add cloudwatch api in H | 20:17 |
| annegentle | ok but the wiki is the only location for docs so far? -- how do people deploy? | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/ | 20:17 |
| nijaba | annegentle: wiki is not the only pace for doc... | 20:17 |
| nijaba | thanks dhellmann | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | we have some (slightly out of date) installation instructions there covering devstack and manual installation | 20:17 |
| * jaypipes looking forward to seeing integration test suite (tempest) coverage of ceilometer | 20:18 | |
| eglynn | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/install.html#installing-and-running-the-development-version | 20:18 |
| nijaba | there are also puppet and chef modules too | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | jaypipes: +1 | 20:18 |
| annegentle | ok got those | 20:18 |
| mordred | jaypipes: +1 | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: the docs site holds our formal documentation. anything in the wiki is likely to be an in-process or older design doc | 20:19 |
| annegentle | do you envision this integrating with the admin view on the Horizon dashboard? | 20:19 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: yes, there is a note about horizon integration. | 20:19 |
| nijaba | annegentle: no, just provide a sample plugin at some point | 20:19 |
| nijaba | annegentle: to be fully usefull on a public cloud deployement, we would need to know about cost, which is out of scope | 20:20 |
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| jaypipes | nijaba: sorry, saw "plugin for horizon underway" in the wiki | 20:20 |
| eglynn | annegentle: watch this space ... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/horizon-plugin | 20:20 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: yes, but I consider it a sample, mainly usefull for private clouds | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: cool, good to know, thx! | 20:20 |
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| mordred | nijaba: but could your sample plugin be something that could be integrated with horizon directly? | 20:20 |
| gabrielhurley | we'll work more on that in H | 20:20 |
| jd__ | still we may provide some default visualisation or something | 20:20 |
| nijaba | mordred: I do not see why not, we ar open to dicussion | 20:21 |
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| mordred | ok. so, any last questions before we vote on this bad-boy? | 20:23 |
| annegentle | sorry one more | 20:23 |
| nijaba | annegentle: please ask away! | 20:23 |
| annegentle | can you explain what "in terms of addressing the Heat requirement" means for elements 6 and 7 of your scope | 20:23 |
| mordred | go for it! we've got all day | 20:23 |
| * annegentle is stealing time from the Book Sprint :) | 20:24 | |
| eglynn | annegentle: heat have a requirement for clouwatch -like functionality | 20:24 |
| nijaba | annegentle: in other word, the neeed for cloudwatch to exist | 20:24 |
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| eglynn | annegentle: they currently have a rudimentary internal implementation | 20:24 |
| eglynn | annegentle: but wish to replace with something provided by ceilometer | 20:24 |
| mordred | by cloudwatch you mean heat wants to be able to take actions based on health of services right? | 20:24 |
| mordred | like, autoscaling? | 20:24 |
| eglynn | exactly | 20:24 |
| eglynn | (it already does) | 20:24 |
| mordred | (some of us don't follow amazon features and have to translate from time to time) | 20:25 |
| annegentle | ok so this is natural re-factoring | 20:25 |
| annegentle | mordred: for sure | 20:25 |
| nijaba | annegentle: yes | 20:25 |
| eglynn | but the internal Heat CW implementation is simple and not general purpose | 20:25 |
| eglynn | (e.g. relies on a script run within instances to report metrics) | 20:25 |
| eglynn | (we're on the same page with the Heat folks on this, so we'd view it as complementarity as opposed to overlap ...) | 20:26 |
| annegentle | ok | 20:26 |
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| sdake_ | eglynn agree | 20:27 |
| notmyname | what about the scope question of not "what is in scope for ceilometer" but "what is in scope for openstack"? does this project fit in with the overall goals and mission of openstack? | 20:27 |
| nijaba | notmyname: I believe it does | 20:28 |
| mordred | I think it does - especially given the integration with other projects such as nova and heat for intelligent decision making | 20:28 |
| markmc | I think we covered that in an earlier part of the review? | 20:28 |
| * markmc thinks it does, very much | 20:28 | |
| nijaba | notmyname: it provides the one transversal point to do data collection and therefore support the goals of the project | 20:28 |
| markmc | what use is an unmetered cloud? | 20:28 |
| mordred | markmc: in soviet russia, cloud meters you? | 20:29 |
| markmc | mordred, I've never been, you tell me? | 20:29 |
| mordred | second failed pop culture reference by me today... | 20:30 |
| creiht | lol | 20:30 |
| mordred | ok. questions seem to have died down... | 20:30 |
| jaypipes | we voting? | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | mordred: I got it | 20:30 |
| mordred | #startvote Approve graduation of Ceilometer (to be integrated in common Havana release)? yes, no, abstain | 20:31 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Approve graduation of Ceilometer (to be integrated in common Havana release)? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:31 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:31 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| heckj | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| mordred | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| gabrielhurley | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| jaypipes | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| markmc | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| bcwaldon | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| jgriffith | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| markmc | mordred, I got it, I'm just messing with you | 20:31 |
| * mordred punches markmc | 20:32 | |
| annegentle | #vote yes | 20:32 |
| vishy | #vote yes | 20:32 |
| danwent | #vote yes | 20:32 |
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| mordred | notmyname: ping? | 20:33 |
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| notmyname | I honestly don't know what to vote :-) | 20:33 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: your conscience? | 20:33 |
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| notmyname | I have reasons for voting all of the options | 20:34 |
| notmyname | I think they've done a fantastic job working with openstack. so for that +1. I don't think their design is what I would have chosen +0. I don't think a "unified plugin framework" is a good design -1 | 20:34 |
| notmyname | with apologies for the wording | 20:34 |
| heckj | notmyname: if you d | 20:35 |
| heckj | don't know, I suggest you abstain | 20:35 |
| notmyname | #vote abstain | 20:35 |
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| mordred | that's everybody | 20:35 |
| mordred | #endvote | 20:35 |
| openstack | Voted on "Approve graduation of Ceilometer (to be integrated in common Havana release)?" Results are | 20:35 |
| openstack | yes (11): markmc, bcwaldon, vishy, annegentle, heckj, jaypipes, russellb, jgriffith, mordred, gabrielhurley, danwent | 20:35 |
| openstack | abstain (1): notmyname | 20:35 |
| nijaba | \o/ | 20:35 |
| markmc | congrats nijaba, dhellmann, jd__, eglynn, asalkeld et al. :) | 20:35 |
| mordred | congratulatoins to ceilometer | 20:36 |
| nijaba | thanks a lot tc members! | 20:36 |
| sandywalsh | thanks & congrats! | 20:36 |
| russellb | thanks for all your hard work so far | 20:36 |
| eglynn | w00t! | 20:36 |
| jd__ | thanks! | 20:36 |
| mordred | which brings us to the next topic... | 20:37 |
| mordred | #topic Update on elections organization | 20:37 |
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| mordred | at least, I think I know what this is about ... | 20:37 |
| mordred | it's time for PTL and general TC elections for those whose seats are up | 20:37 |
| mordred | since ttx is up for election, I'll be organizing the elections (god help us all) | 20:37 |
| mordred | which means I'll be sending a warning email today | 20:38 |
| mordred | we'll be including ptl elections for ceilometer for sure | 20:38 |
| mordred | we JUST did a heat election ... but I think we need to do another one because now heat is official? | 20:38 |
| nijaba | and heat as well, I am sure | 20:38 |
| nijaba | mordred: ah | 20:39 |
| mordred | anybody have any concerns or questions or thoughts or views or opinions or poems they'd like to share about TC elections? | 20:39 |
| * nijaba closes his mouth for good... | 20:39 | |
| sdake_ | yes another heat election | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | ttx was clear on this point in earlier conversations | 20:39 |
| markmc | mordred, we're all doing a fine job, we don't need no elections | 20:40 |
| * markmc declares marshal law | 20:40 | |
| russellb | ha | 20:40 |
| markmc | mordred, what's the timetable? | 20:40 |
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| markmc | i.e. when will they be held? | 20:40 |
| mordred | March 1-7: Nominations for PTL | 20:41 |
| mordred | March 8-14: Vote for PTL | 20:41 |
| mordred | March 15-21: Nominations for direct seats | 20:41 |
| mordred | March 22-28: Vote for direct seats | 20:41 |
| mordred | sdake_: awesome - because the first election was so close | 20:41 |
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| sdake_ | i think most heat devs dont want to sit in meetings .. ;) | 20:42 |
| mordred | wow. you have smart devs... | 20:42 |
| russellb | you could stand | 20:42 |
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| mordred | ok. well, if there's nothing else on that topic ... that's all for the agenda | 20:43 |
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| mordred | anybody got anything else? | 20:43 |
| markmc | thanks mordred | 20:44 |
| mordred | thanks everybody! | 20:44 |
| mordred | #endmeeting | 20:44 |
| markmc | fake a french accent and we'd never have known the difference | 20:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 20:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 26 20:44:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-02-26-20.03.html | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-02-26-20.03.txt | 20:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-02-26-20.03.log.html | 20:44 |
| mordred | markmc: I was doing it with a french accent - you couldn't tell? | 20:45 |
| russellb | no release meeting after this with ttx out, right? | 20:45 |
| dkehn | interesting | 20:45 |
| markmc | russellb, there is, I'm charing | 20:45 |
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| markmc | chairing | 20:45 |
| russellb | markmc: ah cool | 20:45 |
| markmc | sent a mail to openstack-dev earlier | 20:45 |
| dkehn | sorry wrong window | 20:45 |
| russellb | markmc: so you're telling me to read my damn email and calling me a slacker? i see. | 20:45 |
| markmc | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-February/005984.html | 20:45 |
| heckj | heh | 20:45 |
| markmc | russellb, indeed | 20:45 |
| markmc | russellb, I don't know why I bothered being polite about it either | 20:46 |
| russellb | i don't either | 20:47 |
| russellb | i know what you wanted to say | 20:47 |
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| markmc | roll up, roll up | 21:00 |
| markmc | #startmeeting project | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 26 21:00:35 2013 UTC. The chair is markmc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:00 |
| markmc | agenda @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:00 |
| markmc | ttx is away, so you're stuck with me | 21:00 |
| markmc | who do we have? | 21:00 |
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| bcwaldon | hey hey | 21:01 |
| comstud | hi | 21:01 |
| heckj | o/ | 21:01 |
| ewindisch | present | 21:01 |
| notmyname | here | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:01 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:01 |
| sdake_ | hidy | 21:01 |
| russellb | hi | 21:01 |
| markmc | danwent , gabrielhurley, sdake, nijaba ? | 21:01 |
| danwent | o/ | 21:01 |
| gabrielhurley | yo | 21:02 |
| markmc | #topic General announcements | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General announcements (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| markmc | anyone got anything interesting to share? | 21:02 |
| markmc | docs, QA, stable, etc. ? | 21:02 |
| markmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 21:02 |
| markmc | we'll start considering doing an rc1 in 3 weeks, I guess | 21:02 |
| markmc | time is flying by | 21:03 |
| russellb | note on stable, there was some breakage with unit tests in nova stable/essex ... shout out to fungi for jumping on it and having it fixed quickly :-) | 21:03 |
| * heckj nods | 21:03 | |
| markmc | russellb, hmm, nice one fungi | 21:03 |
| markmc | ok, moving on | 21:03 |
| markmc | #topic Oslo status | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:03 | |
| markmc | hi markmc | 21:03 |
| markmc | hi markmc | 21:03 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:03 |
| heckj | oh god, I see where this is going | 21:03 |
| markmc | looks like advanced-matchmaking isn't going to make it | 21:04 |
| markmc | hasn't really attracted enough reviews | 21:04 |
| markmc | (partly my bad) | 21:04 |
| markmc | ewindisch, any objection to that? | 21:04 |
| ewindisch | Obviously, I'd really like to see it through still. I've been working on zeromq docs and having that feature would make it *much* easier to configure | 21:04 |
| ewindisch | but I can't do much about others not reviewing the code :( | 21:05 |
| markmc | what it does have going for it is that it only risks breaking the zmq driver | 21:05 |
| markmc | I'll see if I can get to it this week | 21:05 |
| markmc | no other FFEs that I know of | 21:05 |
| markmc | we need to start drawing up a list of potential blockers for rc1 | 21:05 |
| markmc | #topic Keystone status | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:05 | |
| markmc | heckj! | 21:05 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:05 |
| heckj | o_O | 21:05 |
| markmc | trusts first | 21:06 |
| markmc | how goes it? | 21:06 |
| heckj | we're blastin' through reviews on trusts - looks like it's coming together well after a rocky week of back and forth | 21:06 |
| heckj | dolph and ayoung are dominating the #dev channel with back and forth onit | 21:06 |
| ayoung | we're close | 21:07 |
| heckj | pluggable identity is likewise very close, doing final tweaks on code reviews mostly | 21:07 |
| russellb | so what's going to use trusts btw | 21:07 |
| heckj | Heat is the primary first consumer | 21:07 |
| markmc | how risky is trusts wrt regressions ? | 21:07 |
| russellb | heckj: ack, thx | 21:07 |
| heckj | markmc: it's new API and functionality that's not backwards impacting in any significant way | 21:07 |
| markmc | but in terms of invasiveness? | 21:08 |
| heckj | there's new AuthN and structures with V3 API where it's all incuded - V2 runs alongside without issue | 21:08 |
| markmc | the call is basically whether a feature is worthwhile enough to warrant the risk to release quality | 21:08 |
| heckj | markmc: there was a lot of underlying code churn getting it there, but the internal structures and APIs extended well to support it | 21:08 |
| markmc | ok, so sounds reasonable well self-contained | 21:08 |
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| fungi | russellb: markmc: thanks! | 21:09 |
| heckj | yeah, I think so | 21:09 |
| markmc | ok, let's hope they can get in this week | 21:09 |
| markmc | any other features needing exceptions? | 21:09 |
| heckj | markmc: nope | 21:09 |
| markmc | cool | 21:09 |
| heckj | we've also started identifying a bunch of bugs from the dev churn and side issues that have popped out | 21:09 |
| markmc | blocker bugs | 21:09 |
| markmc | there's a few unprioritized in there | 21:10 |
| heckj | continuing to ID those and them we'll triage them into blocker/critical/etc. Have a couple blockers in there now, more detail as the week closes out | 21:10 |
| markmc | great | 21:10 |
| markmc | ttx reckons approx 25% of potential blockers should be fixed at this point | 21:10 |
| markmc | so, prolly a little behind ... but maybe aren't all real candidate blockers | 21:10 |
| heckj | frankly, we're probably behind - yeah | 21:11 |
| markmc | anything else? | 21:11 |
| heckj | not from me | 21:11 |
| markmc | thankie | 21:11 |
| markmc | #topic Swift status | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | hi | 21:11 |
| markmc | hey notmyname | 21:11 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.0 | 21:11 |
| markmc | so 1.8.0 is planned to come out around the same time as grizzly rcs? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:11 |
| markmc | and how goes it? | 21:12 |
| markmc | there's not much progress info on the multi-region bp or the bps it depends on | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | we've got a ton of reviews, and can always use more reviews :-) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | actually, there is. patches have been merged and are currently under review | 21:12 |
| notmyname | the last part (region tier) is being worked on now | 21:13 |
| markmc | dedicated-replication-network has reviews linked, but not the others? | 21:13 |
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| markmc | oh adjustable-replica-counts too | 21:13 |
| notmyname | perhaps not | 21:13 |
| markmc | so these are all likely to land in time? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | that's the plan :-) | 21:14 |
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| markmc | cool | 21:14 |
| markmc | identified any blocker bugs for 1.8.0 ? | 21:14 |
| markmc | there's a handful of high bugs | 21:14 |
| markmc | are some of them likely to be 1.8.0 blockers? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | checking... | 21:15 |
| markmc | one of them is there since july, so I guess not | 21:15 |
| markmc | no critical bugs, so that's promising | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I see 4. no worries on them | 21:16 |
| markmc | great | 21:16 |
| markmc | anything else? | 21:16 |
| markmc | swift questions from anyone? | 21:16 |
| markmc | moving along | 21:17 |
| markmc | thanks | 21:17 |
| markmc | #topic Glance status | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:17 | |
| markmc | bcwaldon, the man of the gold stars | 21:17 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:17 |
| markmc | 3 bps not marked implemented | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | hello! | 21:17 |
| markmc | but they've all been merged? | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | check yourself | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | 2 bps not implemented | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | both very much in progress | 21:17 |
| markmc | I checked all the reviews linked and they're all merged | 21:18 |
| markmc | what needs doing on those 2? | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | undocumented things - image sharing needs store ACls and a JSON Schema | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | multiple image locations needs to be integrated into the API - the data is already there | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | so both landing this week | 21:18 |
| markmc | hmm, ok | 21:18 |
| markmc | maybe add a not about what's remaining to the bps? | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | markwash and I went through all of the open bugs and targeted a bunch at rc1 - we could use some help tackling those | 21:18 |
| markmc | a note | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | markmc: sure | 21:19 |
| markmc | cool | 21:19 |
| markmc | so 5 critical? | 21:19 |
| markmc | how scary is the status overall? | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | looking good, that list is optimistic | 21:19 |
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| bcwaldon | actively working on the Critical ones | 21:19 |
| markmc | ok | 21:20 |
| markmc | so, is v2 complete after all this work? | 21:20 |
| markmc | or more v2 remaining in havana? | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | yep - we'll rev it to v2.1 | 21:20 |
| markmc | ok | 21:20 |
| markmc | anything else? questions from the floor? | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | just a general request for help on bugs! | 21:21 |
| markmc | indeed :) | 21:21 |
| markmc | we should have said that at the start | 21:21 |
| markmc | everyone should be doing what they can to squash bugs at this point | 21:21 |
| markmc | thanks bcwaldon | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | absolutely | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | thank you | 21:21 |
| markmc | #topic Quantum status | 21:21 |
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| markmc | danwent! | 21:21 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:22 |
| markmc | 2 bps in progress | 21:22 |
| danwent | hi | 21:22 |
| markmc | I can't access https://review.openstack.org/22444 | 21:22 |
| markmc | is it marked as a draft? | 21:22 |
| danwent | ah, that is not the active review for the BP | 21:23 |
| danwent | we switched owners | 21:23 |
| danwent | let me make sure the right one is linked | 21:23 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22794/ | 21:23 |
| markmc | thanks | 21:23 |
| danwent | done | 21:24 |
| markmc | hmm, only uploaded yesterday | 21:24 |
| danwent | yeah, its actualy a very of a different branch, which is no longer active | 21:24 |
| markmc | seems like a pretty big new feature | 21:24 |
| markmc | does it really need to be rushed in? | 21:24 |
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| danwent | that's what i'm talking to mark mcclain about. | 21:25 |
| danwent | its entirely self-contained | 21:25 |
| danwent | so the risk is more about resources being distracted from solidifying + bug fixes | 21:25 |
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| markmc | ok | 21:25 |
| danwent | we've actually cut the patch down by about 3x | 21:25 |
| danwent | the original version in G-3 was huge and too much for us to handle in grizzly | 21:26 |
| markmc | it depends on https://review.openstack.org/22279 - is that also self-contained? | 21:26 |
| danwent | yes, those are changes to previous loadbalancer patches that went in | 21:26 |
| markmc | ok | 21:26 |
| danwent | basically, loadbalancer API and DB were merged in G-1 & G-2 | 21:26 |
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| danwent | G-3 was supposed to do the driver portion of it, but was too big. | 21:27 |
| markmc | so hope is to have it merged for next week? | 21:27 |
| danwent | so we've tried to pare it down to its most base components | 21:27 |
| danwent | hope is to have it in two days actually | 21:27 |
| markmc | ok, great | 21:27 |
| markmc | how about quantum-scheduler? | 21:27 |
| danwent | if we even get close to next week, i'll drop it like a bad habit | 21:27 |
| danwent | mainly b/c i want the resources focused more on bug fixes | 21:27 |
| markmc | quantum-scheduler or lbaas agent? | 21:28 |
| danwent | but this is a grizzly deliverable that is important to many people, so i want to give them a fair chance. | 21:28 |
| markmc | or both | 21:28 |
| danwent | both | 21:28 |
| markmc | ok, sounds good | 21:28 |
| markmc | bugs, then | 21:28 |
| markmc | that's a big list, but a bunch fixed | 21:28 |
| markmc | nice work | 21:28 |
| markmc | anything you're particularly concerned about? | 21:28 |
| danwent | yeah, there are a lot of people on the team focused entirely on bugs already | 21:28 |
| markmc | that's great | 21:29 |
| danwent | we're targeting an early RC1, on March 12th | 21:29 |
| danwent | which is focusing minds | 21:29 |
| danwent | no major worries, other than the fact that the two FFEs are done yet | 21:29 |
| danwent | are not | 21:29 |
| markmc | ok, great | 21:30 |
| markmc | anything else? questions from anyone? | 21:30 |
| danwent | not from me | 21:30 |
| markmc | thanks danwent | 21:30 |
| markmc | #topic Cinder status | 21:30 |
| danwent | later | 21:30 |
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| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:30 |
| markmc | hey jgriffith | 21:30 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:30 |
| markmc | the only bp seems to be about docs | 21:30 |
| jgriffith | Yup | 21:31 |
| jgriffith | We had no exceptions | 21:31 |
| markmc | which probably technically doesn't need tracking as a FFE, right? | 21:31 |
| markmc | cool | 21:31 |
| jgriffith | correct | 21:31 |
| jgriffith | I'll remove it | 21:31 |
| markmc | and one poor lonely bug | 21:31 |
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| jgriffith | haha.. yeah, but that's going to be growing shortly | 21:31 |
| markmc | anything you're particularly concerned about? | 21:31 |
| jgriffith | gate stuff, nothing identified specific in Cinder yet though | 21:31 |
| markmc | gate stuff? | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | High count of screen with no data init | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | or no screen process launched at all | 21:32 |
| markmc | uggh | 21:32 |
| markmc | is there a bug filed? | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | Yeah | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | take me a moment to find it again though | 21:33 |
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| markmc | ok | 21:33 |
| markmc | so, no critical bugs, a bunch high | 21:33 |
| markmc | 15 triaged | 21:33 |
| markmc | seems like you're in pretty reasonable shape? | 21:33 |
| markmc | 15 untriaged, rather | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, I need to go through and clean triaging up tonight/tomorrow | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | Should be in good shape though | 21:34 |
| markmc | anything else? questions? | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | TBH Cinder's biggest problem is going to be docs if we don't get it addressed soon | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | Nope | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | OH! | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | yes... | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | one other thing... back to my email about unit tests | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | The cinder unit tests are horribly broken | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | when trying to run in a venv | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | The version code doesn't work | 21:35 |
| markmc | hmm, the latest version code from oslo? | 21:35 |
| markmc | got a link to a bug? | 21:35 |
| markmc | you can probably corner mordred into helping | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | yeah... | 21:35 |
| mordred | uhoh | 21:35 |
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| markmc | ok, moving along to nova | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | markmc: it's unable to find the version string | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | mordred: knows :) | 21:36 |
| markmc | jgriffith, happy to look at a traceback or whatever | 21:36 |
| mordred | jgriffith: I don't believe you - but I'm happy to help figure it out :) | 21:36 |
| markmc | #topic Nova status | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:36 | |
| jgriffith | markmc: I'll send one your way in a bit | 21:36 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:36 |
| markmc | vishy | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | mordred: :) | 21:36 |
| markmc | 4 bps not completed | 21:36 |
| markmc | backportable-db-migrations ... Beta available :) | 21:37 |
| vishy | hi | 21:37 |
| markmc | how goes it? | 21:37 |
| markmc | oh, nothing needed for backportable-db-migrations | 21:37 |
| markmc | got it | 21:37 |
| vishy | yeah | 21:37 |
| markmc | nova-api-samples? | 21:37 |
| vishy | waiting to make sure more dbs aren't needed | 21:37 |
| markmc | lots of reviews, questions is when do we say it's done? | 21:38 |
| russellb | ideally when all extensions are covered | 21:38 |
| markmc | doesn't seem like adding more api-samples is a quality risk, I guess | 21:38 |
| vishy | i think there are 3 under review for api-samples | 21:38 |
| markmc | migration-testing-with-data ? | 21:38 |
| vishy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/server-count-for-nova-flavors shouldn't be targetted | 21:39 |
| russellb | there's a list in the code of extensions without tests, master just shows 2 | 21:39 |
| vishy | migration testing should be close | 21:39 |
| vishy | sdague: ^^ | 21:39 |
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| markmc | yeah, was about to say - russellb nixed server-count-for-nova-flavors | 21:40 |
| numero8 | #openstack-101 | 21:40 |
| markmc | ok, so the only bps open are about testing basically | 21:40 |
| markmc | more tests probably don't need a FFE | 21:40 |
| markmc | any features under review not on the grizzly-rc1 list? | 21:40 |
| vishy | not that i have seen | 21:41 |
| russellb | same | 21:41 |
| markmc | ok | 21:41 |
| markmc | bugs ... | 21:41 |
| markmc | big list, but only one critical and a bunch already fixed | 21:41 |
| markmc | looks promising | 21:42 |
| markmc | there are 3 other critical bugs, not targeted to rc1 | 21:42 |
| comstud | I'm getting back to this one with quotas | 21:42 |
| markmc | not really critical, or should be targeted? | 21:42 |
| markmc | comstud, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1098380 ? | 21:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1098380 in nova "Quotas showing in use when no VMs are running" [Critical,In progress] | 21:42 |
| comstud | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1098380 | 21:42 |
| comstud | Yeah | 21:42 |
| vishy | i'm just going through triaging and targetting today | 21:42 |
| comstud | I'll be working on that the next couple of days | 21:42 |
| vishy | so there are probably a bunch of unassigned ones | 21:42 |
| vishy | i'm just putting everything that seems like it is worth fixing on the list | 21:43 |
| markmc | only 26 untriaged, w00t! | 21:43 |
| markmc | nice work guys | 21:43 |
| markmc | looks in pretty good shape | 21:43 |
| markmc | anything else to be concerned about? | 21:43 |
| vishy | we have a bunch of untriaged in python-novaclient | 21:43 |
| markmc | indeed | 21:44 |
| markmc | different release cycle, though, so I guess slightly different concern | 21:44 |
| vishy | and we have a whole bunch of open bugs that are not in progress | 21:44 |
| vishy | which it would be nice to knock down | 21:44 |
| markmc | 604, wow | 21:44 |
| markmc | is there a bug squashing day scheduled? | 21:45 |
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| markmc | anything else? questions from folks on nova? | 21:45 |
| russellb | we should have bug squash fridays until RC, heh | 21:45 |
| markmc | russellb, sounds like a nice idea | 21:45 |
| comstud | casual nickname and bug squash Friday | 21:46 |
| russellb | yes! | 21:46 |
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| * markmc doesn't approve of casual nick friday | 21:46 | |
| comstud | lol | 21:46 |
| markmc | because rustlebee always wins | 21:46 |
| russellb | rustlebee gonna sting some bugs | 21:46 |
| markmc | meh, moving along | 21:46 |
| markmc | thanks guys :) | 21:46 |
| markmc | #topic Horizon status | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:46 | |
| markmc | gabrielhurley ... you get to wait an awful long time :( | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | yo | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | that I do | 21:47 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:47 |
| markmc | quantum-lbaas still under review | 21:47 |
| markmc | is it likely to make it? | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | yep, that one's entirely dependent on the quantum team | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | if they land the LBaaS stuff and sort it all out then this goes in too | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | sounded like they were confident during their section earlier | 21:48 |
| markmc | ok, got it | 21:48 |
| markmc | they're hoping to merge it in the next couple of days | 21:48 |
| markmc | so that all sounds good | 21:48 |
| markmc | no other features wanting to creep in ? | 21:48 |
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| gabrielhurley | nope, none | 21:48 |
| markmc | bugs ... nice list | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | and the bugs list is currently short | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | will grow some I'm sure | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | but nothing too abd | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | *bad | 21:49 |
| markmc | ok, 15 is short for horizon at this point? | 21:49 |
| markmc | confident of getting them all fixed? | 21:49 |
| markmc | nothing marked critical there, so that's reassuring | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | many/most are already under code review | 21:50 |
| markmc | great | 21:50 |
| markmc | anything else? questions from anyone? | 21:50 |
| markmc | thanks gabrielhurley | 21:50 |
| markmc | #topic Incubated projects status | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Incubated projects status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:50 | |
| markmc | sdake, nijaba - fight for who goes first :) | 21:51 |
| sdake | hi | 21:51 |
| markmc | cool | 21:51 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:51 |
| markmc | no FFEs, great | 21:51 |
| sdake | bugs being worked on | 21:51 |
| markmc | 30 bugs, but a whole bunch fixed already | 21:51 |
| sdake | going to do a group triage wednesday on remaining open bugs | 21:51 |
| sdake | see if any can be bounced | 21:52 |
| markmc | cool | 21:52 |
| markmc | the only critical one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/grizzly/+bug/1072949 | 21:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072949 in heat/grizzly "Reset DB migrations" [Critical,Triaged] | 21:52 |
| markmc | you're dropping folsom->grizzly DB upgrade ? | 21:52 |
| sdake | i think the intent was for zane to send a message to the list and see if people care | 21:52 |
| sdake | but ya drop upgrade | 21:52 |
| markmc | ok, that's probably fair | 21:52 |
| sdake | since folsom requires oslo-config | 21:53 |
| sdake | makes hard to use on folsom in any regard | 21:53 |
| sdake | sorry since heat requires oslo-config | 21:53 |
| sdake | and it will get worse as time passes with more modules | 21:53 |
| markmc | hmm, no - that's not what I was getting at | 21:53 |
| markmc | people won't be able to take their DB from folsom-era heat and migrate it to grizzly? | 21:53 |
| markmc | separate from using grizzly heat with folsom openstack | 21:54 |
| markmc | what we do in nova to stop migrations building up is to compact them after release | 21:54 |
| sdake | your correct got those mixed up | 21:54 |
| sdake | markmc that was discussed in our meeting last week (compacting) | 21:54 |
| markmc | and only support e.g. folsom->grizzly upgrade | 21:54 |
| markmc | not essex->grizzly | 21:54 |
| sdake | i'll find out more about what zaneb is planning there | 21:54 |
| markmc | coolness | 21:54 |
| markmc | looks like you're in good shape, anyway | 21:54 |
| markmc | anything else? | 21:54 |
| markmc | congrats again on graduation | 21:54 |
| sdake | nope we are in good shape thanks for the congrats :) | 21:55 |
| markmc | cool | 21:55 |
| markmc | nijaba! | 21:55 |
| markmc | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:55 |
| markmc | hbase-storage-backend and publisher-counters-frequency seem like the FFEs | 21:55 |
| markmc | rpc-qpid seems to be about tests? | 21:56 |
| markmc | no nijaba | 21:56 |
| markmc | how about dhellmann, eglynn, jd__ ? | 21:56 |
| russellb | if the qpid thing is about unit tests, qpid is in pypi now | 21:57 |
| markmc | russellb, saw that, nice one | 21:57 |
| markmc | russellb forked qpid! | 21:57 |
| russellb | markmc: and handed over to the qpid project | 21:57 |
| * markmc gets on the twatter about that | 21:57 | |
| russellb | i did! for a day or less | 21:57 |
| russellb | qpid folks took it over quickly once I told them about it :-p | 21:58 |
| markmc | heh | 21:58 |
| markmc | ok, no ceilometer folks :( | 21:58 |
| markmc | only 1 critical bug about the nova notifier | 21:58 |
| markmc | which it sounds like dhellmann has a plan for | 21:58 |
| markmc | ok, moving along | 21:58 |
| markmc | #topic Any Other Business | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any Other Business (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:58 | |
| markmc | questions, comments, whatever? | 21:58 |
| markmc | Point of order - ttx shouldn't be allowed vacations | 21:59 |
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| zykes- | markmc: question you know when the results of talks will be up ? | 21:59 |
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| jd__ | nothing important on our side | 21:59 |
| jd__ | (sorry :) | 21:59 |
| markmc | zykes-, the openstack summit talk selection? | 22:00 |
| markmc | zykes-, no idea | 22:00 |
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| markmc | design summit not until much closer to the event | 22:00 |
| markmc | ok, it's gone over the hour | 22:00 |
| markmc | thanks everyone | 22:00 |
| markmc | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 26 22:00:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-02-26-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-02-26-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-02-26-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 26 22:01:01 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic General | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | So I think most folks took a much-needed rest this past week after the big push to finish G3. Except for kspear that is, who's been filing and fixing bugs like mad. ;-) Big thank you there. | 22:02 |
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| kspear | haha, you're welcome | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | And thanks to everyone else who's been reviewing and bugfixing too | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic Blueprints and Bugs | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | the Quantum LBaaS blueprint is still in limbo pending the quantum team. | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | bug-wise we've got several in the RC1 milestone but a lot of 'em already have fixes up for review and they're generally not worrisome to me. | 22:03 |
| zykes- | will the lbaas stuff land gabrielhurley ? | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | zykes-: that's up to danwent and company. if they get that done in the timeframe they're aiming for then I'm not gonna stand in the way of the Horizon review. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | The bits on our end have been thoroughly vetted. | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | but we can't ship an interface for a feature that doesn't land. | 22:05 |
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| zykes- | ;) | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic discussion | 22:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:06 | |
| gabrielhurley | In general just keep testing and bugfixing. | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | anyone else got anything? | 22:06 |
| kspear | one thing | 22:07 |
| kspear | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1081374 | 22:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1081374 in horizon "Horizon overwrites existing roles when saving project membership" [Medium,Confirmed] | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | ah yes | 22:07 |
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| kspear | i had a go at it | 22:07 |
| kspear | and supporting multiple roles is looking more like a bugfix | 22:08 |
| kspear | if i can get a review up this week would you possibly consider it as such? | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | I would, for sure | 22:08 |
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| gabrielhurley | I actually looked at that bug this morning | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | and was thinking it'd be nice to fix | 22:08 |
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| gabrielhurley | as noted in the comments, overwriting the roles is definitely a bug | 22:08 |
| kspear | yeah my thoughts exactly | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | if the fix includes making multiple roles work properly too, even better | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | ;-) | 22:09 |
| kspear | great | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | I look forward to it | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | cool. well, good meeting folks. keep doing what you're doing and we'll have a good-looking Grizzly release. I have no doubts about that. | 22:10 |
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| gabrielhurley | talk to y'all same time next week | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 26 22:10:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-02-26-22.01.html | 22:10 |
| zykes- | I guess though that Keystone V3 isn't landing in Horizon for G gabrielhurley ? | 22:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-02-26-22.01.txt | 22:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-02-26-22.01.log.html | 22:10 |
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| gabrielhurley | zykes-: nope. hasn't been targeted for quite some time | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | H for sure | 22:11 |
| zykes- | awwww | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | that'll be a big-ticket item | 22:11 |
| zykes- | how come ? ;p | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | :-P | 22:11 |
| zykes- | early H or ? | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | Early H woul be excellent, yeah | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | gonna schedule it for H1 | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | delivery is never guaranteed. lol. | 22:11 |
| vkmc | Folks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1102448, if someone has a minute I'd like to hear suggestions about a good, lightweight and open-source JS DatePicker | 22:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1102448 in horizon "Query a range of time for Usage Summary" [Low,In progress] | 22:11 |
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| zykes- | gabrielhurley: I got that on my wishlist and the introspection stuff you mentioned | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | vkmc: I've tried https://code.google.com/p/datepickr/ and http://dbushell.com/2012/10/09/pikaday-javascript-datepicker/ and http://www.frequency-decoder.com/demo/date-picker-v4/ | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | zykes-: I'll see what I can do next cycle | 22:13 |
| vkmc | Cool gabrielhurley, thanks | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | hopefully i can make some dreams come true for you | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | vkmc: no problem | 22:14 |
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| kspear | gate tests appear to be failing? | 22:14 |
| vkmc | I was considering pikaday, but it's copyright :o I don't know if it's possible to add it to Horizon | 22:14 |
| mrunge | kspear, yes, I saw that too | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | vkmc: that last one looks to be well-maintained these days. https://github.com/freqdec/datePicker | 22:14 |
| jpich | kspear: Django 1.5 -- there was a patch to pin to 1.4 that went through, we can reverify then | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | kspear, mrunge: fix is already going through gerrit/jenkins | 22:15 |
| kspear | jpich: okay great | 22:15 |
| mrunge | great, thanks! | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | glad y'all are paying attention though :-) | 22:15 |
| kspear | :) | 22:15 |
| zykes- | gabrielhurley: i'll definetly buy you a beer if you do! | 22:15 |
| mrunge | almost sleeping here.... :P | 22:15 |
| zykes- | gabrielhurley: how many guys are there working on Horizon atm ? | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | zykes-: I haven't really been keeping track. I'd say lately there've been a maybe dozen or so contributors submitting reviews more than just once in a blue moon. We get a fair number of one-off contribution bugfixes. | 22:18 |
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| zykes- | ah | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | ::shrug:: more are always encouraged | 22:18 |
| zykes- | :P | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | okay. I'm gonna run and get some food. | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | later y'all. | 22:19 |
| vkmc | See ya gabrielhurley o/ | 22:19 |
| vkmc | Thanks | 22:19 |
| kspear | bye, thanks gabrielhurley | 22:19 |
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