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| danwent | hi folks! | 20:59 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| danwent | back to meeting in the virtual world :) | 20:59 |
| salv-orlando | hello people | 20:59 |
| danwent | i guess after the meeting we'll need to meet at a virtual bar and have virtual drinks… sounds like less fun | 20:59 |
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| gongysh | hi | 20:59 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 20:59 |
| garyk | hi guys | 21:00 |
| danwent | ok, let's get started, since we have a ton to cover | 21:00 |
| gongysh | hope all guys are back safe. | 21:00 |
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| danwent | #startmeeting quantum | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 22 21:00:46 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quantum' | 21:00 |
| danwent | gongysh, did you or garyk get the award for longest distance traveled? | 21:01 |
| danwent | probably garyk? | 21:01 |
| gongysh | no | 21:01 |
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| garyk | i had 8 hours at heathrow :) | 21:01 |
| danwent | haha | 21:01 |
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| danwent | #link agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
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| rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | I got flu on the plane :/ | 21:01 |
| danwent | we have a ton to cover, so let's get going | 21:01 |
| sasha_ | hi | 21:01 |
| danwent | ok, apologies for starting the discussion on who had the worst flight :P | 21:02 |
| danwent | #info Grizzly release schedule has been finalized http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 21:02 |
| garyk | i had the worst and the longest | 21:02 |
| danwent | the big news is that there is no big news | 21:02 |
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| danwent | release schedule is following pretty much the same pattern as folsom | 21:02 |
| danwent | three milestones, fairly long RC time. two weeks between release and next summit. | 21:03 |
| garyk | if possible we should also try and contain bugs | 21:03 |
| danwent | garyk: ? | 21:03 |
| danwent | garyk: sorry, don't understand the last statement | 21:04 |
| garyk | danwent: it seems like lately there are quite a few bugs opened. we should try and make sure that the open bugs stays low | 21:04 |
| garyk | danwent: does that make sense | 21:04 |
| danwent | garyk: ah yes, in fact, we'll talk about that later down on the agenda | 21:04 |
| garyk | ok, sorry for the interruption | 21:04 |
| danwent | as I wanted to discuss the set of bugs open against folsom and when we should target a stable folsom update | 21:04 |
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| danwent | no worries | 21:04 |
| danwent | #topic Grizzly-1 | 21:05 |
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| danwent | so the Grizzly-1 date is actually just a month away | 21:05 |
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| danwent | so I wanted to spend a chunk of this meeting making sure we have blueprints created for key community tasks needed early in grizzly | 21:05 |
| danwent | as rkukura pointed out during the summit, there's a need for us to do a better job as a community creating blueprints | 21:06 |
| gongysh | agree | 21:06 |
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| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:06 |
| danwent | a blueprint should be good enough that a reveiwer can read it before reviewing the code and understand what you are trying to achieve, and roughly how you plan to achieve it | 21:06 |
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| garyk | +1 | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | +1 | 21:07 |
| garyk | it will certainly help the review process | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | salv_orlando: +1 (this also implies we as cores must review blueprints too) | 21:07 |
| garyk | and documentation | 21:07 |
| danwent | let's all hold each other to a higher standard. If you go to review something that is bigger than a bug fix, and you find that the blueprint is not sufficient, moving forward we should as the feature creator to improve the blueprint before reviewing | 21:07 |
| rkukura | early feedback on the blueprints is also important, well before the review | 21:07 |
| danwent | garyk: agreed. one idea i had been thinking about was requiring docs along with a change-set, but that is hard in practice. | 21:07 |
| danwent | garyk: but i'm open to ideas there… leaving all docs to the end of the release is bad | 21:08 |
| garyk | danwent: if we follow the suggestions for the detailed blueprints then it should be easier to port to docs later | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | danwent, garyk: that is feasible IMHO. Just a matter of establishing rules for things. | 21:08 |
| garyk | salv-orlando: agreed | 21:09 |
| gongysh | a good spec is ok. | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | A desirable side effect would be avoiding feature creep | 21:09 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: are you suggesting docs in the admin guide before code is committed, or just a blueprint that people thing is good enough to turn into docs? | 21:09 |
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| danwent | the issue is that often features arrive in several commits, making the former difficult. | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | Ideally one would like to have the documents before the code is merged. Then this could be evaluated case by case | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | danwent: agree. Let's see what we can do offline | 21:11 |
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| danwent | ok. salv-orlando, can you put together a proposal for this? It sounds like something we should have on the quantum development wiki page for (how do i implement a feature?) | 21:11 |
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| danwent | garyk: sounds like you're interested as well. perhaps you and salv-orlando can coordinate | 21:12 |
| garyk | danwent: ok | 21:12 |
| gongysh | I will review. Haha | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: sure | 21:12 |
| danwent | gongysh: :) | 21:12 |
| danwent | Ok, so i'm going to quickly move through some of the quick community topics, to identify who will be putting blueprints together on the key community topics discussed at teh summit | 21:13 |
| danwent | CI gating (nati_ueno ? mnewby ?) | 21:13 |
| danwent | do we have a blueprint that we are using for this? | 21:14 |
| nati_ueno | I'm working on execise.sh to work | 21:14 |
| mnewby | danwent: Not sure | 21:14 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: We can reuse this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-gate | 21:14 |
| garyk | danwent: dan prince is intersted in getting smokestack working with quantum | 21:14 |
| nati_ueno | Please assign it to me | 21:14 |
| danwent | ok, this will be the top focus of every quantum team meeting until we do. | 21:14 |
| danwent | or rather, until we have a gate running with quantum | 21:14 |
| garyk | i think that we should maybe invest in the smokestack like nova. | 21:14 |
| mnewby | garyk: What is smokestack executing? | 21:15 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: +1 for smokestack | 21:15 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: ok, updated the BP, assigned it to you, and updated other fields | 21:15 |
| mnewby | garyk, nati_ueno: what is the relationship between smokestack and tempest? | 21:15 |
| garyk | mnewby: as far as i understand it runs installation packages, puppet moduels etc. launches vm's and test traffic between them. i can ask dan for extra details | 21:15 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: Yes. It is another CI process. | 21:16 |
| danwent | will smokestack continue to run even once we have full tempest integration? | 21:16 |
| danwent | I am not sure if they are duplicate efforts, or have different goals. | 21:16 |
| mnewby | it sounds like duplicative | 21:16 |
| garyk | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstack.org%2Fsmokestack&ei=ybeFUML3JI3LtAbfjICgBw&usg=AFQjCNGcZzE9UMz-BrrfJsR4-iWxGspmaQ | 21:17 |
| mnewby | it's useful, but if developers can't run the tests themselves i question it's longterm value | 21:17 |
| mnewby | Oh well, I guess we do both. | 21:17 |
| garyk | i think that i should be used for our gating. | 21:18 |
| mnewby | I'm more interested in single-host (devstack) testing (at least initially), but for gating we'll need all of the aboev. | 21:18 |
| danwent | garyk: can you ask dan prince about the long-term direction of the openstack community regarding tempest vs. smokestack? What i've been told to date is that our efforts should be focused on tempest (though i'll be grateful for more testing, regardless of platform) | 21:20 |
| garyk | danwent: sure. | 21:20 |
| mnewby | The annoyance is that the tests are in ruby. | 21:20 |
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| mnewby | (for smokestack) | 21:20 |
| gongysh | I need a facility that make sure each patch will not break our dear quantum in the end. | 21:20 |
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| danwent | gongysh: that is what gating does. what i've been told so far is that the CI team is moving toward gating on tempest in the long-term | 21:21 |
| danwent | though in the short-term they also gate on devstack exercise scripts + smokestack (I believe) | 21:21 |
| danwent | ok, got to keep moving. nati_ueno: any blockers in terms of gating? | 21:22 |
| danwent | just fixing issues with exercise.sh? | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | I think just debug exesice.sh | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | Yes | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | I'll request merge for devstack until this week | 21:22 |
| danwent | do you anticipate having that done soon? I'd say to escalate any issues you're having to the entire core team, as its critical we get this going | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | Yes soon | 21:23 |
| danwent | ok, garyk and I are both core devstack devs, so we should be able to review quickly. | 21:23 |
| danwent | ok, next topick | 21:23 |
| danwent | related: tempest tests | 21:23 |
| danwent | nati_ueno, maru blueprints here? | 21:23 |
| danwent | others? | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | related https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-system-test ? | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | Maybe, we should have the blueprint in QA team project | 21:24 |
| mnewby | I would agree | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest | 21:24 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: yes, i'm fine with the BP being there, just really looking to make sure someone is working on it. | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | OK I'll create one | 21:24 |
| danwent | ok, please send it out to the team so we can track. there was also someone from rackspace who said he would have developers for this. | 21:25 |
| danwent | anyone remember the name? I'll have to look it up. | 21:25 |
| mnewby | daryl | 21:25 |
| danwent | he was at the meeting, sitting behind me. | 21:25 |
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| nati_ueno | danwent: gotcha | 21:25 |
| danwent | mnewby: thx. anyone know daryl's email or irc? | 21:26 |
| danwent | was he on that old thread we had going? | 21:26 |
| mnewby | Daryl Walleck <daryl.walleck@rackspace.com> | 21:26 |
| danwent | thx | 21:26 |
| danwent | Ok, let's loop him into the discussion | 21:27 |
| danwent | mnewby: do you expect to create a BP, or just work with daryl + nachi? | 21:27 |
| mnewby | danwent: I haven't really worked with BPs, what is requied? | 21:27 |
| nati_ueno | Done https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-tempest | 21:28 |
| danwent | BPs are just a feature/bug-tracking tools where you describe a new capability you will be adding to the system. | 21:28 |
| danwent | as we mentioned above, for features, they should include use cases, design, and doc for configuring + using the feature. Might be slightly different for test cases though. | 21:29 |
| mnewby | Ok | 21:29 |
| danwent | I think during the summit we agreed that this work would be discussed during the weekly temptest meetings, but it would be good if someone reported back progress to the quantum meeting | 21:30 |
| danwent | as having good system test is critical to the success of quantum long-term, especially as it grows in complexity. | 21:30 |
| nati_ueno | OK I'll attend both of meeting and report it | 21:30 |
| danwent | ok, got to keep moving | 21:30 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: thx | 21:30 |
| danwent | database upgrade: markmcclain , salv-orlando | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | I can help with it | 21:31 |
| danwent | had a work item from summit that markmcclain was proposing a mechanism other than sqlalchemy-migrate | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | I haven't done anything beyond looking at how we can use alembic | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | for solving issue with plugin-specific upgrade paths | 21:31 |
| danwent | let's get a BP together on this that describe the trade-offs and a design | 21:31 |
| danwent | we need to get this infrastructure in before we start significantly changing the DB | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | np. markmcclain - I'll send you an email for stealing some of your time on IRC | 21:32 |
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| garyk | danwent: salv-orlando: i was thinking that we have the user first upgrade to folsom and then convert to quantum. is this relevant | 21:32 |
| danwent | ok, can one of you create a BP and assign to G-1 with essential priority? | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: sure | 21:32 |
| danwent | garyk: you're talking about converting from nova-network to quantum? | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | garyk: we are looking at Quantum to Quantum upgrades at the moment | 21:32 |
| danwent | that's slightly different, but also useful | 21:33 |
| garyk | danwent: yes. salv-orlando: ok | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | perhaps we can have a separate blueprints from nova-network to Quantum migration | 21:33 |
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| danwent | i had it on the agenda for today, but then took it off thinking we shouldn't have time. | 21:33 |
| danwent | but if you want to create a nova-network conversion blueprint, i think that makes sense. | 21:33 |
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| danwent | garyk: can you make a bp for this? either way, its good to track it. | 21:34 |
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| danwent | nova gaps | 21:34 |
| garyk | danwent: sure | 21:34 |
| danwent | three sub-topics | 21:34 |
| danwent | security groups (arosen / nachi) | 21:34 |
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| danwent | security groups api is already in review, as it was a miss from folsom. | 21:34 |
| gongysh | we have much talk for security groups in design summit session. | 21:35 |
| danwent | arosen, i haven't seen the blueprint, but probably a good idea to freshen it up, given the above conversation | 21:35 |
| gongysh | we should have a wrap up. | 21:35 |
| arosen | danwent: will do | 21:35 |
| danwent | gongysh: let's have the discussion around the blueprint | 21:35 |
| gongysh | yes. pointint to the etherpad | 21:35 |
| danwent | aaron, i'm guessing the blueprint needs to be expanded to our new grizzly standards. | 21:35 |
| amotoki | I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-security-groups is related to this. | 21:36 |
| garyk | with gongysh reviewing | 21:36 |
| danwent | note: there is a ton of stuf we could do around firewalling and filtering. | 21:36 |
| gongysh | garyk: haha. bad guy. | 21:36 |
| danwent | but the most critical thing we HAVE to accomplish in grizzly is getting security groups in quantum with support for overlapping IPs. | 21:37 |
| danwent | that was a black-eye for quantum in folsom. | 21:37 |
| ijw1 | And for multiple interfaces in some sensible fashion. | 21:37 |
| danwent | ijw1: agreed. that's already tackled in aaron's proposal as well. | 21:37 |
| danwent | ok, multi-host | 21:37 |
| amotoki | It is a good idea to merge arosen's security group API first before moving the next. | 21:38 |
| ijw1 | Where's Aaron's proposal? | 21:38 |
| danwent | amotoki: merge with what? | 21:38 |
| amotoki | danwent: the current patch under review from arosen | 21:38 |
| danwent | ijw1: this was actually covered at the folsom summit for folsom, he can point to the preso | 21:38 |
| danwent | arosen: does BP link to dave's presentation? | 21:38 |
| arosen | ijw1: I'll put up the openstack-manual documentation i'm working on that should help shed some light as well. | 21:39 |
| arosen | danwent: yes it does. | 21:39 |
| danwent | amotoki: ah, i agree. | 21:39 |
| danwent | I'd like to make sure the base security groups stuff is in very early, which is why arosen and nati_ueno are working on it already. | 21:39 |
| arosen | This is the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14262/ | 21:39 |
| danwent | ok, only 20 mins left and much to cover :( | 21:39 |
| danwent | quickly, multi-host | 21:39 |
| nati_ueno | I didn't started yet. Just play with firewall.py | 21:40 |
| danwent | what is active blueprint for this, and who owns it? | 21:40 |
| nati_ueno | I updated bp for multi-host https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-multihost-dhcp | 21:40 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: this is just for dhcp? | 21:40 |
| gongysh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-multihost-dhcp | 21:40 |
| nati_ueno | No not just dhcp | 21:40 |
| nati_ueno | I should update it | 21:40 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: i'm also a bit worried that you seem to be volunteering for all of the blueprints | 21:40 |
| ijw1 | What of the routing aspects of multihost? | 21:40 |
| ijw1 | Oh, sorry, bit late with that ;) | 21:40 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: can you update BP name to avoid confusion? | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it | 21:41 |
| danwent | gongysh: are you contributing to multi_host stuff as well? | 21:41 |
| gongysh | nati_ueno: don't u want me to do it? | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: It seem I can't update bp id | 21:41 |
| danwent | ah, launchpad... | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | gongysh: Ether way is OK :) | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | gongysh: Do you want to do this one? | 21:42 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: since you have so much on your plate, having gongysh head it up makes sense to me. | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it | 21:42 |
| gongysh | nati_ueno: I hope I can help u to do it. | 21:42 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: title of blueprint is good…, mentions both dhcp and L2 | 21:42 |
| danwent | L3 | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | I updated whiteboard today | 21:43 |
| danwent | i updated the link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-multihost | 21:43 |
| danwent | ok, keep moving | 21:43 |
| nati_ueno | Ohh It can be updated! | 21:43 |
| danwent | nova gaps, metadata. markmcclain, you or carlp handling this? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | I'm working on metadata | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | I hoped to have code today… looks like tomorrow | 21:43 |
| danwent | great, this will be a huge help | 21:44 |
| danwent | we already have a bp targeted for G-1 for that | 21:44 |
| danwent | garyk: planning on creating a blueprint on the nova/quantum flow and vif-plugging stuff? | 21:44 |
| garyk | danwent: yes, i'll do it tomorrow | 21:44 |
| danwent | garyk: cool. for the LB plugin in particular, I see that as essential. | 21:45 |
| garyk | danwent: agreed | 21:45 |
| ijw1 | garyk: drop me a mail when you've done it, ta | 21:45 |
| garyk | ijw1: will do | 21:45 |
| garyk | ijw1: as long as you do not heckle | 21:45 |
| ijw1 | aww | 21:45 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: are you creating blueprints around the API infrastructure for higher-level services like LBaaS? | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: yep | 21:46 |
| danwent | I think rkukura is likely interested in helping with API extension framework stuff as well. | 21:46 |
| gongysh | does the separate LBaas will use our API infra? | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | I think it should | 21:47 |
| danwent | gongysh: higher level services will be able to be loaded and run indepdent of the main plugin, and that's something we don't really support now | 21:47 |
| danwent | roman (spelling?) from mirantis had a good slide that discussed this at the summit | 21:47 |
| ijw1 | I think a LBaaS will plug into quantum as a client; I don't necessarily know that it's a part of the same API endpoint. | 21:47 |
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| gongysh | then what do we mean by API infrastructure for higher-level services like LBaaS? | 21:48 |
| danwent | ijw1: current plan is same endpoint, though I'm not sure the discussion is final. | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | I think we talked about this a bit :) | 21:48 |
| danwent | gongysh: perhaps best to take a look at salv-orlando's blueprint, and at the sessions he and sasha presented | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | salv-orlando: I will start an email discussion offline once the blueprint is filed | 21:48 |
| gongysh | ok. I will talk to salv offline. | 21:49 |
| danwent | anyway, we have 12 mins left in the meeting, so let's leave those details for offline discussion | 21:49 |
| danwent | thx | 21:49 |
| danwent | client-lib + cli enhancements | 21:49 |
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| danwent | i assume gongysh and markmcclain will be coordinating here | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | yep | 21:49 |
| gongysh | sure. | 21:49 |
| danwent | note, these should actually be created as blueprints in the python-quantumclient project | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | will do | 21:49 |
| danwent | but we will discuss them in this meeting | 21:50 |
| danwent | horizon next steps. amotoki, nati_ueno ? filing these under horizon? | 21:50 |
| amotoki | BP is not filed yet. | 21:50 |
| danwent | but please send a note to the quantum team or post the BPs next meeting so peopel are aware of them. | 21:50 |
| nati_ueno | I got it | 21:50 |
| amotoki | danwent: sure. | 21:50 |
| danwent | IPv6 stuff. markmcclain, you will file? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:51 |
| amotoki | nati_ueno: I will send you a mail later. | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | and have a few folks who'd said that help with code | 21:51 |
| nati_ueno | amotoki: gotcha | 21:51 |
| danwent | Ok. rkukura where you planning on doing a BP for your modular plugin stuff in G-1? | 21:51 |
| rkukura | yes | 21:51 |
| danwent | Ok, please create and target. | 21:51 |
| rkukura | first steps | 21:51 |
| danwent | I know there are other items that people want to do in G-1, and that's fine, I just wanted to cover key community wide topics here. Are there other items that we think should be priority high or above for G-1? | 21:52 |
| danwent | (note: i'm leaving the LBaaS stuff out for now, as they are doing a separeate meeting) | 21:52 |
| nati_ueno | VPN stuff is not G1? | 21:52 |
| nati_ueno | and Service enhancement | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | VPN is a blueprint I'm going to write | 21:53 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: I figure we had a lot on our plate for G-1. If mark things we can tackle in in G-1 as well, that's great | 21:53 |
| amotoki | regarind firewalling, i plan to write a document during G-1. | 21:53 |
| danwent | but I was thinking other services would probably wait until G-2 before they were a major community focus. | 21:53 |
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| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it | 21:53 |
| danwent | #info: as a heads up for those interested in LBaaS. they have a separeate weekly meeting on thursday mornings now, see: http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/LBaaS | 21:54 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: my plea is for getting service insertion complete in G-1 before moving to the other services | 21:54 |
| sasha_ | I will also write a blueprint for L3/services so that it is there for comments ... and also talk offline to Salvatore | 21:54 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: that's a good point. | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | +1 to get service insertion in early | 21:55 |
| garyk | +1 | 21:55 |
| danwent | amotoki: feel free to put together a BP, but I want to make sure we have main service insertion stuff somewhat settled before we actually start coding on all types of higher-level services. | 21:55 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: ok, let's jack up the priority of that BP for G-1 | 21:56 |
| danwent | and make sure we really focus effort there. | 21:56 |
| amotoki | danwent: I feel so too. | 21:56 |
| danwent | ok, 4 minutes :( | 21:56 |
| garyk | danwent: lets talk about bugs next week | 21:56 |
| danwent | ok, sounds like we'll need to leave the discussion of sub-teams to tomorrow, but I just wanted to send out this link with some of my thoughts: https://etherpad.openstack.org/grizzly-quantum-wrapup | 21:56 |
| danwent | garyk: agreed, let's just highlight the list | 21:57 |
| garyk | ok | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | Where can I know sub-teams? | 21:57 |
| danwent | #info here is list of current bugs tagged for possible folsom-backport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bugs?field.tag=folsom-backport-potential | 21:57 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: all info i've put together so far is on that etherpad link. feel free to comment there and we'll talk about it next week. | 21:57 |
| danwent | garyk is our master of folsom stable | 21:57 |
| garyk | danwent: there is no beer team! | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | lol | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: more than happy to start rolling on service insertion (and there goes my sleep) | 21:58 |
| danwent | please help him out by making sure all bugs relevant to folsom are tagged with folsom-backport-potential | 21:58 |
| danwent | we should also start thinking about a date for a folsom-stable release update | 21:58 |
| danwent | let's nail that down next week, along with a list of bugs we think must be fixed in that release. | 21:59 |
| danwent | garyk: sound reasonable? anything to add? | 21:59 |
| garyk | danwent: not at the moment. tomorrow i'll go over the bugs etc. | 21:59 |
| danwent | garyk: awesome | 21:59 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 21:59 |
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| danwent | I will send an email to the list with my thoughts on how to handle possible influx of plugins + drivers from vendors in grizzly | 22:00 |
| gongysh | danwent, nati: can u agree to assign multi-host to me? | 22:00 |
| danwent | so far we have had a policy that any plugin must has a core dev who offers to stand behind it | 22:00 |
| danwent | gongysh: yes, I will | 22:00 |
| nati_ueno | gongysh: I agree | 22:00 |
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| nati_ueno | gongysh: Thanks! | 22:00 |
| gongysh | U are welcome | 22:00 |
| danwent | ok, anything else we need to discuss here before we sign off? | 22:00 |
| gongysh | good nati_ueno. | 22:01 |
| gongysh | pagination? | 22:01 |
| gongysh | I hope pagination can get in for G1 | 22:01 |
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| danwent | salv-orlando: can you chat with gongysh about pagination after the meeting? I know you had thoughts on nit. | 22:01 |
| danwent | it | 22:01 |
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| danwent | ok, hope you all had a fun summit, now its back to work :) | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | danwent, gongysh: sure | 22:01 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 22 22:01:55 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum/2012/quantum.2012-10-22-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum/2012/quantum.2012-10-22-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum/2012/quantum.2012-10-22-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
| danwent | thanks all | 22:02 |
| danwent | Ah…. and please see salv-orlando's note about starting up review days again! | 22:02 |
| markvoelker1 | Night all! | 22:02 |
| garyk | thanks and good night | 22:02 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: thanks for sending out that note | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | gongysh: I am out for a coffee will be back in 5 minutes | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: np | 22:02 |
| gongysh | ok. enjoy. | 22:02 |
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| danwent | gongysh: assigned to you https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-multihost | 22:03 |
| gongysh | ok, thanks | 22:04 |
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| gongysh | salv-orlando: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/support-pagination-in-api-v2 | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | gongysh: about pagination, I think we should look at the problem from the server side first and then from the client side. | 22:12 |
| gongysh | yes. | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | To give you the general picture, from the server-side other openstack project use initial_token and offset mechanism | 22:12 |
| gongysh | nova and glance both have a implementation. | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | which works fairly well with db_queries | 22:13 |
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| gongysh | yes | 22:13 |
| salv-orlando | on the other hand, I've heard people from Horizon complaining that this was not the best approach for them (perhaps you've heard them too). | 22:14 |
| salv-orlando | It seems they like the page_num + page_size approach | 22:14 |
| gongysh | I heard some. | 22:15 |
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| ijw1 | Matter of taste, I'd argue; I prefer the proposed solution but being in step with everyone else is probably more valuable (if everyone else has, in fact, done it the other way) | 22:15 |
| salv-orlando | And I am not sure we want to implement this kind of mechanism on the server. What are your thoughts? For the server side I would stick with token + offset | 22:15 |
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| salv-orlando | ijw: I totally agree with you. | 22:16 |
| salv-orlando | token + offset if what nova and glance do | 22:16 |
| ijw1 | salv-orlando: what do you mean by token + offset? | 22:16 |
| gongysh | I think we should use the same way nova and glance adopts. | 22:16 |
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| salv-orlando | You specificy the id of the first element you want to retrieve (the token) and the number of subsequent elements that should be returned | 22:16 |
| ijw1 | so not offset but length then. | 22:16 |
| ijw1 | (arguably) | 22:16 |
| ijw1 | Well, I can see why you might want to do that but it's not terribly SQL-compatible. | 22:17 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: sorry my english skills drop a lot after 11PM | 22:17 |
| ijw1 | SELECT * FROM TABLE OFFSET 10 LIMIT 10 (or whatever it is, and it varies slightly by backend) is the standard SQL statement I've seen | 22:17 |
| gongysh | it is mysql way. | 22:18 |
| ijw1 | Does it also work efficiently in PgSQL? | 22:18 |
| salv-orlando | I actually want to do whatever takes the minor toll on the db. | 22:18 |
| gongysh | I don't know, but I think the sqlalchemy will help us. | 22:18 |
| gongysh | it should hide the SQL dialect. | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | On the token based approach, I do not see a solution that would prevent you from going through an awful lot of record each time | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | but that's probably me just being dumb | 22:19 |
| danwent | gongysh + salv-orlando: were both of you in horizon discussion when they talked about new pagination model? | 22:20 |
| ijw1 | gongysh: I see nothing obvious in MySQL that says it works by key. It seems to be LIMIT offset, length | 22:20 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: I was there | 22:20 |
| ijw1 | salv-orlando: I'm with you on that | 22:20 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: ok, great, just wanted to make sure | 22:20 |
| salv-orlando | it seems Horizon people would like the page size/page number approach | 22:20 |
| ijw1 | I've done this sort of stuff many times before and key + length sounds bizarre to me, it's usually page + length or offset + length | 22:21 |
| ijw1 | (plus ensuring that your sort includes the ID row) | 22:21 |
| salv-orlando | ijw1: I've always done it that way too | 22:21 |
| ijw1 | I'm reasonably confident that the first option is really really slow and the latter two are supported directly by most DBs | 22:21 |
| salv-orlando | actually I implemented pagination in the style currently used by nova for Essex - did not get merged for time constraints. | 22:22 |
| salv-orlando | Unfortunately the code is now lost, I presume | 22:22 |
| ijw1 | Does anything else do pagination at present? | 22:22 |
| ijw1 | Or is it a good idea waiting to happen? | 22:22 |
| salv-orlando | nova definitely supports that for server list | 22:23 |
| gongysh | glance does well too. | 22:23 |
| gongysh | So I think what we will do is to wrap up how they do this and learn from them. | 22:23 |
| salv-orlando | anyway… is there any significant cons wrt adopting the page size + page number (i.e.: OFFSET + LIMIT) approach? | 22:24 |
| salv-orlando | I don't see any, but perhaps gongysh might spent some time looking at existing implementations and compare them with the OFFSET/LIMIT approach | 22:24 |
| ijw1 | I prefer object offset, personally, as it's a tiny bit more flexible (you can switch page size and you don't have to recalc the offset) but I would go with that method. And nova is loading all items and doing the offset, checking the source | 22:25 |
| gongysh | salv-orlando: do u want to implement it in a distinguished way in quantum? | 22:25 |
| ijw1 | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/common.py#L198 e.g. | 22:26 |
| gongysh | BUT maybe glance and nova are using different ways. | 22:26 |
| salv-orlando | not unless we are able to prove that a different implementation will give an advantage | 22:26 |
| gongysh | ok. | 22:26 |
| ijw1 | I imagine it's possible to write a function that takes an SQL query and adds the limits to it, one that could even end up in openstack-common | 22:26 |
| ijw1 | (certainly I could do this with the ORMs I've used before now) | 22:26 |
| gongysh | I will have a investigation and report to core team. | 22:27 |
| salv-orlando | I think marker is actually the identifier of a token | 22:27 |
| gongysh | and then see what and how we will do. | 22:27 |
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| gongysh | salv-orlando: is that ok? | 22:28 |
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| salv-orlando | gongysh: sounds good to me... | 22:28 |
| ijw1 | gongysh :whatever you find ned to go to the mailing list because if it sucks for Quantum it sucks for everything. | 22:28 |
| gongysh | ijw1: my bottom line is if it sucks for everything, it sucks for Quantum. | 22:29 |
| gongysh | We will not allow Quantum sucks first | 22:30 |
| ijw1 | I just don't want to see other people wasting time, that's all | 22:31 |
| gongysh | see u. back to bed | 22:31 |
| gongysh | I will send out to mailing list as well. | 22:31 |
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