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| t_ | so i have been out of the loop for a while but i was wondering if anyone knows about Anonymous? | 03:40 |
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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | nijaba: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| nijaba | hmmm, looks like someone forgot to end their meeting | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | I guess it has to be ended by the same person? | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | ma | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | yb | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | e | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | s | 15:01 |
| russellb | nijaba: ping #openstack-infra ... | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | maybe someone in -infra can help? | 15:01 |
| nijaba | jgriffith: can you end your meeting please? | 15:01 |
| russellb | :) | 15:01 |
| russellb | would be cool if there was a meeting timeout, heh | 15:02 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | jd__: we're not logging yet because we're in someone else's meeting still | 15:02 |
| nijaba | just asked in -infra too | 15:03 |
| jd__ | hehe just read that | 15:03 |
| jeblair | hi. i'll work on fixing the bot. | 15:03 |
| mordred | jgriffith: just so you know - the command is #endmeeting ... #end meeting doesn't end the meeting. :( | 15:03 |
| nijaba | jeblair: should be coming to the rescue | 15:03 |
| mordred | jeblair: was a miss-typed command | 15:03 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 11 15:04:38 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-10-10-16.12.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-10-10-16.12.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-10-10-16.12.log.html | 15:04 |
| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:04 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:04 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:04 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 11 15:04:48 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:04 | |
| jd__ | thanks | 15:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:04 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:05 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:05 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:05 |
| gmb | o/ | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:05 |
| nijaba | thanks jeblair | 15:05 |
| jtran | o/ | 15:05 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:05 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:05 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:05 | |
| nijaba | #topic jd to create a stable branch on monday | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd to create a stable branch on monday (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:05 | |
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| nijaba | so I think this was consider too much of a pai by the infra team, right jd__? | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | yep | 15:06 |
| jtran | pai? | 15:06 |
| nijaba | pain | 15:06 |
| jd__ | pain | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | so we will use master as our stable branch? | 15:06 |
| jd__ | and we can't ask all of that because we're not official nor incubated | 15:06 |
| * dhellmann wonders how hard it is to make branches | 15:07 | |
| jd__ | actually, miletsone-proposed was refused | 15:07 |
| jeblair | well | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | ah | 15:07 |
| jd__ | not doing a folsom branch | 15:07 |
| jeblair | so i think we wanted to set up permissions so you can make your own branches.... | 15:07 |
| jeblair | but we haven't gotten around to that yet | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: that would be a good compromise | 15:07 |
| nijaba | yes,that would be nice | 15:07 |
| jd__ | we'll be able to create a folsom branch just by asking infra to create it with the commit id | 15:07 |
| jeblair | so in the mean time, we should just create the branch for you instead of giving you a hard time. :) | 15:07 |
| jd__ | (well unless jeblair give us permissions) | 15:07 |
| jd__ | +s | 15:08 |
| nijaba | jeblair: can I mark an action for you? | 15:08 |
| nijaba | (sorry to have pulled you in a trap) | 15:08 |
| jeblair | nijaba: sure. :) | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | do we want whatever HEAD is now, or do we need to think about which revision should be used? | 15:09 |
| nijaba | #action jeblair to give us rights t create our own branches | 15:09 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: let's see that under the release status topic | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: ok | 15:09 |
| eglynn | so in the end, it was decided not to go ahead with the milestone-proposed style branching for the run-up to the release? | 15:09 |
| nijaba | eglynn: yep, we did not have much coice | 15:10 |
| eglynn | nijaba: fair enough | 15:10 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to prime release notes in the docs | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to prime release notes in the docs (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:10 | |
| nijaba | his was done and is now visible at | 15:10 |
| nijaba | #link http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/releasenotes/index.html | 15:10 |
| nijaba | Please send patches if we need to add to this | 15:10 |
| nijaba | doc/sources/releasenotes/ in the code | 15:11 |
| nijaba | any comments or suggestions? | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | thanks for doing so much work on the docs this week, nijaba, they look really good | 15:12 |
| nijaba | you are welcome dhellmann | 15:12 |
| nijaba | I'll skip the next action as it was already discussed as part of the first acton | 15:12 |
| nijaba | #topic jd to check if infrateam can generate a tarball for us | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd to check if infrateam can generate a tarball for us (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:12 | |
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| nijaba | jd__: what did infra say on this? | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | would that be different than the tarballs github produces in some way? | 15:13 |
| jd__ | didn't ask, but we can have some on github I think | 15:13 |
| nijaba | so that's link to us being admin of our projec on github, I guess? | 15:14 |
| jd__ | somehow yes, we need to be able to tag our project | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | I wonder if we can just push a tag to that repo through gerrit? | 15:14 |
| nijaba | ok, we already have an action on this, but will need to chase this quickly to be able to release | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | i think globally that infra doesn't know more than us how to handle our project and our release, so once we want to release we'll have to go ask for things *now* and they'll have to find a way :) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | jd__: maybe if we just focus on getting the permissions, we can experiment | 15:16 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: +1 | 15:16 |
| jd__ | ah sure, but I didn't feel they wanted to give us any permission | 15:16 |
| jd__ | but I might be wrong :) | 15:16 |
| nijaba | jeblair: any comments on this? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | now that we are asking for so many thing they might change their mind :-D | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I think it was only a matter of not having time to help us | 15:17 |
| jeblair | hi | 15:17 |
| * nijaba propose that we go in #infra just after the meeting to get to the bottom of this | 15:18 | |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 15:18 |
| jeblair | so i think the way we want to handle this is for one or more of you guys brush up on how jenkins jobs are built | 15:18 |
| jeblair | and then you can add it to the infra yourself | 15:18 |
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| * dhellmann is confused | 15:18 | |
| jtran | that's agood idea. | 15:18 |
| jeblair | all the jobs, etc, are in a git repo anyone can submit changes to | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | what does jenkins have to do with branching our repo? | 15:19 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: this was tarballs, yeah? | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | oh, I see | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: is the tarball a release requirement? | 15:19 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I would think so... | 15:19 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: what would distro use otherwise? brnahc? | 15:20 |
| nijaba | branch even... | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: could not just point them at the tarball github produces? | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | ^could not^could we not | 15:20 |
| uvirtbot | dhellmann: Error: "could" is not a valid command. | 15:20 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: if is clearly identifiable and durable, yes | 15:20 |
| mordred | dhellmann: no | 15:20 |
| mordred | the tarball github produces is not a good tarball | 15:21 |
| mordred | (you guys are python, right?) | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | mordred: yes | 15:21 |
| nijaba | we are | 15:21 |
| mordred | sadly, the github tarballs are not python sdist tarballs | 15:21 |
| mordred | so they don't have metadata that's needed for the tarballs for fully-well interact with stuff like pip | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | ok, so we have 2 things we have to do for the release | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | 1. make the stable branch | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | 2 | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | 15:22 | |
| dhellmann | s | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | 15:22 | |
| dhellmann | 2. set up the job to make the sdist tarball | 15:22 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:22 |
| nijaba | ok, let's park this for now. dhellmann, jd__ are you ok to followup on this in -infra right after the meeting? | 15:22 |
| jd__ | 3. be able to push to the stable branch | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: yes | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | jd__: +1 | 15:23 |
| jd__ | nijaba: I'm in | 15:23 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann, jd__, nijaba to follow on infra fr our release reqs | 15:23 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to resfresh http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/Ceilometer before sending email to the tc | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to resfresh http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/Ceilometer before sending email to the tc (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:23 | |
| nijaba | That was done and the email to the tc was sent. Looking at the tc ml archive, it seems that the vote on incubation will not happen during the face to face meeting for lack of logging and supposed openess of the process. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | do we know when they are holding their next online meeting? | 15:24 |
| nijaba | archives: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2012-October/thread.html | 15:24 |
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| nijaba | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 15:25 |
| nijaba | it lists the in person meeting as the next meeting, next is tbd | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | can anyone subscribe to that list? | 15:25 |
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| nijaba | "First regular TC meeting will happen the week after the Design Summit, time tbd at the inaugural meeting. " | 15:26 |
| spn__ | o/ | 15:26 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I haven't tried, I just look at the achives now and then | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:26 |
| nijaba | I guess that's it for this week's actions... | 15:27 |
| nijaba | #topic Release status | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release status (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:27 | |
| nijaba | gmb, the floor is yours | 15:27 |
| nijaba | gmb? | 15:29 |
| gmb | Sorry, was getting pinged in another channel | 15:29 |
| gmb | So | 15:29 |
| gmb | All the items on the RoadMap that are required for Folsom.0 / 0.1 are committed (thanks jd__ for taking care of that last bug). We're good to go. | 15:30 |
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| gmb | I would have targeted all the bugs to a 0.1 milestone | 15:30 |
| gmb | As I said in my email last week | 15:30 |
| nijaba | anything blatently missing (we'll get to bugs in a minute)? | 15:30 |
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| gmb | But Launchpad is being uncooperatve. | 15:30 |
| gmb | nijaba: Not AFAICT. | 15:30 |
| nijaba | anyone else? | 15:31 |
| jd__ | nop | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | do we need to add a trove classifier to our setup.py indicating this is an alpha? | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | I don't know if any packaging tools other than pypi pay attention to that field | 15:31 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I do not think we need that | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | ok, then I think we're ready | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | it looks like I7837e80940e7ee9622bdcd3b1f253d582f383d1a (current HEAD on github) would be a good place to branch for the release | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | oops, that's the change id not the commit id, I meant : f2aee4b75d07a5f4d8ecf381934452e2a8dc9a3d | 15:33 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: almost. as I am going to propose one last change before release | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | lol | 15:33 |
| nijaba | but that in 2 topics from now | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:33 |
| jd__ | suspense | 15:33 |
| * dhellmann moves to the edge of his seat | 15:33 | |
| nijaba | hehe | 15:34 |
| nijaba | #topic Outstanding bugs | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding bugs (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:34 | |
| nijaba | so, do we have any outstanding bugs that we need to fix before release? | 15:34 |
| nijaba | I had a look and I can't find any... what do you guys think? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | most of the open tickets are either wishlist, large, or small enough not to matter | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | I feel good about cutting things off where we are | 15:35 |
| jd__ | +1 | 15:35 |
| nijaba | +1 | 15:35 |
| nijaba | anyone against (or shutup until next release) ;) | 15:36 |
| * eglynn is sad that https://review.openstack.org/14175 didn't make it ... | 15:36 | |
| eglynn | other than that, +1 | 15:36 |
| jtran | +1 | 15:36 |
| spn__ | +1 | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I'll approve that right after the release is branched | 15:36 |
| gmb | +1 | 15:37 |
| nijaba | eglynn: I think that landed a bit too late in our "feature freeze" | 15:37 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: cool | 15:37 |
| eglynn | nijaba: understood | 15:37 |
| nijaba | ok, so we are good to go, but.... | 15:37 |
| nijaba | #topic Naming convention for Meters | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Naming convention for Meters (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:37 | |
| nijaba | root_disk_size | 15:37 |
| nijaba | ephemeral_disk_size | 15:37 |
| nijaba | floating_ip | 15:37 |
| nijaba | volume_size | 15:37 |
| nijaba | seem like the remaining counters that we should rename | 15:37 |
| nijaba | they just stic out when looking at http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/measurements.html | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | jd__, we talked about the disk names didn't we? | 15:38 |
| nijaba | What I would propose is that we always use dot as separators and go from least to most discriminent. Ie: | 15:38 |
| nijaba | disk.root.size | 15:38 |
| nijaba | disk.ephemeral.size | 15:38 |
| nijaba | etc... | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | yes | 15:38 |
| nijaba | and I would propose to do that before release | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | I don't know about floating.ip though, maybe just floatingip? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | there's also "instance:flavor" | 15:38 |
| jd__ | yes, floatingip | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | instance flavors have dots, so maybe instance.flavor.m1.tiny etc? | 15:39 |
| nijaba | since it is a pain to change for people having it prod | 15:39 |
| DanD | one issue with the dotted notation is how it gets embedded in a REST API | 15:39 |
| eglynn | +1 to pre-release counter naming changes, much messier to do post-release | 15:39 |
| * nijaba offers to propose the pacth | 15:39 | |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yeah why not | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:39 |
| jd__ | nijaba: thanks :) | 15:39 |
| jd__ | DanD: think about a particular issie? | 15:39 |
| jd__ | s/i/u/ | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: can we keep the instance:flavor meter for now and add the new one? I already have code in production that depends on that | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: we can leave it out of the documentation, and I will submit a patch to clean it up in a week or two | 15:40 |
| nijaba | yes, I think this is a very particular case | 15:40 |
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| nijaba | I would be personally in favor to say that any variable name should be using a : before the var starts | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | well, that's an idea | 15:41 |
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| nijaba | and therefore keep it that way | 15:41 |
| * nijaba makes up grammar on the fly | 15:41 | |
| dhellmann | ok, I meant to use both meters and keep the old version just for backwards compatibility | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | but using a special indicator that part of the name is a variable makes sense, too | 15:42 |
| jd__ | yeah not a bad idea | 15:42 |
| nijaba | so the proposed rule is "always use dot as separators and go from least to most discriminent. when a part of the name is a variable, it shold always be at the end and starts with a ':'" | 15:42 |
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| nijaba | woud you like to vote on this? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:43 |
| nijaba | #startvote agree on meter convention? yes, no | 15:43 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: agree on meter convention? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:43 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| spn__ | yes | 15:43 |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| nijaba | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| spn__ | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| eglynn | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| DanD | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| gmb | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| nijaba | #endvote | 15:44 |
| openstack | Voted on "agree on meter convention?" Results are | 15:44 |
| openstack | yes (7): jd__, nijaba, eglynn, dhellmann, gmb, spn__, DanD | 15:44 |
| nijaba | ok, great. Patch will be done tonight to fix existing meters | 15:45 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to patch existing meter name to follow rule | 15:45 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to put the rule in the doc too | 15:45 |
| * dhellmann was just about to suggest that | 15:45 | |
| nijaba | ok, so I guess that once this has landed, we should be able to release tomorrow | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 15:46 |
| eglynn | (with some illustrative examples in docco, always good ...) | 15:46 |
| nijaba | should we have a release meeting tomorrow at 3M UTC to finalize? | 15:46 |
| nijaba | in our regular chan | 15:46 |
| spn__ | sounds good | 15:46 |
| jd__ | we might want to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14338/ too | 15:47 |
| * jd__ sending last-minute-patches | 15:47 | |
| * nijaba discovers it | 15:47 | |
| dhellmann | that's the tool for putting data in the db to test the api, right? | 15:47 |
| jd__ | 3PM UTC is bad for me tomorrow | 15:47 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yes | 15:48 |
| nijaba | jd__: later? | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | or earlier? | 15:48 |
| nijaba | jd__: looks pretty acceptable for me. | 15:48 |
| jd__ | I don't think I can after 14:00 UTC, so do it without me | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | that tool wasn't really meant for end users, but we can commit it if the group feels it is important | 15:49 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: i think it's good to have it working so people can try with fake data :) | 15:49 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: for the same reasons I can't think why not to merge it | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | jd__: that makes sense | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | n | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | i | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | j | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: just being strict :-) | 15:50 |
| nijaba | hehe | 15:50 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ERC! :) | 15:50 |
| nijaba | ok, let's review it and merge it then... | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | +2 | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | did we settle on a time for that meeting tomorrow? | 15:51 |
| nijaba | so, back on the release meeting then. I can do 14UTC is jd__ is ok with that, busy the hour before though | 15:51 |
| jtran | oh snap, i accidentally prematurely approved that patch | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | lol | 15:52 |
| jtran | wait, i guess i am 2nd reviewer. so gtg | 15:52 |
| nijaba | np, thanks jtran | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | 14UTC works for me | 15:52 |
| nijaba | gmb? | 15:53 |
| spn__ | cool for me | 15:53 |
| gmb | Works for me. | 15:53 |
| nijaba | still waiting for jd__ | 15:53 |
| jd__ | nijaba: 14:00 UTC is the time I leave, so… :) | 15:53 |
| nijaba | :/ | 15:53 |
| nijaba | ok, so we'll do it at 14UTC, but without jd__ :( | 15:54 |
| jd__ | and french trains in the country don't have good network connectivities | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | jd__: you could email the list if you have anything you want us to address | 15:54 |
| nijaba | #agreed release meeting tomorrow @14UTC in #openstack-metering (no logs!) | 15:54 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: sure, no prob | 15:54 |
| nijaba | ok, let's move to the most important topic: | 15:55 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discussion | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:55 | |
| dhellmann | I can meet as early as 11UTC if we want to move it earlier | 15:55 |
| eglynn | just a quick reminder that sdake floated the idea of a pre-summit meetup on Sunday evening at the conference hotel | 15:55 |
| jtran | eglynn: i'd be up for that | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes, me, too | 15:56 |
| jtran | not that i'm contributing anything :) | 15:56 |
| nijaba | eglynn: great idea, but I am already booked for that evening :( | 15:56 |
| eglynn | jtran, dellmann: cool | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | some time that evening, around or after 18:00? | 15:56 |
| nijaba | but feel free to do it without me | 15:56 |
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| eglynn | my flight gets in at 18.15, so maybe a bit later? | 15:57 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: sure, maybe drinks instead of dinner then? | 15:57 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: sounds good | 15:57 |
| jd__ | I've started a text/html render quickly for fun for ceilometer-api http://naquadah.org/~jd/Screenshot%20from%202012-10-11%2017:51:49.png | 15:57 |
| nijaba | eglynn or dhellmann: if you ca send me your cell #, I might be able to join you a bit later | 15:57 |
| eglynn | nijaba: will do | 15:57 |
| nijaba | eglynn: thanks | 15:58 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: great | 15:58 |
| nijaba | Almost running out of time. should we clse the meeting and go in -infra? | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:59 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 11 15:59:20 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-10-11-15.04.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-10-11-15.04.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-10-11-15.04.log.html | 15:59 |
| nijaba | thanks everyone! | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 15:59 |
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| jaypipes | morning QAers. | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 11 17:00:55 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | torandu, davidkranz, donaldngo: hello! | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: hello! | 17:01 |
| torandu | hello! | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | so... our gate has been working well it seems... | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | hi | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | jeblair set up a nightly job that runs the full suite, IIRC | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | howdy! | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes. I was going to push it to all projects but won't get to that until after the summit. | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | Sorry, was away | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | no worries | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: so, see my latest email on the swift stuff? | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | One concern about running the full gate on all projects is that it will get longer every time a new test is added. | 17:04 |
| jeblair | #link https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/periodic-tempest-devstack-vm-cinder/ | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: rock on brother. :) thx! | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: How latest? If it was less than an hour ago, no | 17:04 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: What do you think a time limit for the full gate should be? | 17:05 |
| dwalleck | If it was yesterday, I pushed my changes yesterday afternoon | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: ah, k. | 17:05 |
| dwalleck | right after you guys pinged me | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: yeah, I was out sick yesterday afternoon. so didn't notice it. will get right on it. | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: looks like that periodic job is only running smoke tests in tempest... I think we wanted to run the whole suite? | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes, and I had suggested running it multiple times in a row. | 17:07 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: i don't have good data to say based on patch-throughput or another systemic basis; i'd say the main concern is developer tolerance for feedback delay. for that, maybe an hour? | 17:08 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: OK, so we are safe for a while. | 17:08 |
| jeblair | jaypipes, davidkranz: can you guys hack up that change then? | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: we are well below that... I think it's about 700 seconds now | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: yes | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: I'll submit a patch to the openstack-ci-puppet stuff | 17:09 |
| jeblair | jaypipes: great | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: At some point we might want to not run swift tests as a gate on nova checkins for example. | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: ++ | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: With the nightly run in place we can adjust the tradeoff between gating and the nightly build as approproate. | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | yep | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | For now, our problem is still not enough tempest tests :) | 17:10 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: i see the desire, as long as we keep in mind it's an integration test designed to catch errors where projects interact. | 17:10 |
| dwalleck | jeblair: ++ | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Right. | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | other than the swift stuff and a couple smaller reviews to do for dwalleck (compute cleanup) and torandu (floating IP assignment bug), the other review is from Rohit. | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | we should probably give that a full review ASAP today or tomorrow | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | 'since it's been around for a while and I don't want rohit to get discouraged. | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | it's tests for the live-migration functionality | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | which is a big deal and is a good addition IMHO | 17:12 |
| dwalleck | I thought Rohit's patch was pending his changes still | 17:12 |
| dwalleck | Same with torandu | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I reviewed the live-migration | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | doink, sorry, it's not rohit. | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | it's lakat | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Can you say why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13101/ is stuck in its current state? | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: That's the live migration. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: There were several reverify but nothing happend. No dependencies are listed. | 17:13 |
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| jeblair | davidkranz: it's not in zuul's queue. it may have slipped through a restart | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Hmm. How do we kick it? | 17:14 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: i'm reverifying now, i'll see if it shows up or hits an error | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: thx | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Great. Thanks. | 17:14 |
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| jaypipes | OK, davidkranz, anything you want to bring up regarding the QA track next week? | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Not really. I will be happy if we make progress on configuration testing and bringing qa into the open. | 17:15 |
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| jeblair | oh, you want "recheck" not "reverify" | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: THey are related I think. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | k | 17:16 |
| jeblair | it's running now. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: ah, thanks. | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: What is the rule for which to use>? | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: reverify vs recheck | 17:16 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: re: configuration testing, you are referring to testing different configurations of OpenStack clusters with Tempest? Or something else? | 17:16 |
| jeblair | recheck runs the patch-upload tests, reverify runs the merge gate (and tries to merge) | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes, what you said. THere are a few more details in the session description. | 17:17 |
| jeblair | (so reverify won't do anything if the change doesn't have +2 code review and +1 approved votes) | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: The other thing is that there is no scheduled time for a QA group meeting. We should probably set some unconference time for that. | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Got it. | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: ++ | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I'd really love to see a dicsussion on using DTest and/or PyVows as well. | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: ++. I think all the sessions are really going to lead into a much larger discussion "where do we go from here" discussion | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I think there is a session that is supposed to include that. | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: I wouldn't mind talking about PyVows. I should push what I've been tinkering with into my repo so it's actually visible | 17:20 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes, dwalleck : How about Wednesday after lunch? | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | sure | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | It's probably better to meet after the QA sessoins. | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | We can carve out more time on Thursday dynamically if we need it. | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: works for me. | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | either.. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | I will post something on the unconference board for Wed after lunch. | 17:22 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz, dwalleck: Also, one thing that we (AT&T) might be able to show is how we have set up our deployment testing in CI. i.e. Testing Chef cookbooks and automated deployment code in Jenkins. | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | might be useful to see what we're doing to include that stuff in our testing plans | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: That would be great. | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Is that related or comparable to smokestack in any way? | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | I know not everyone uses Chef, of course, but the way we're doing stuff is pretty interchangeable with Puppet or Juje | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | That'd be great to see | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: not comparable... | 17:24 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: it tests/validates the actual Chef cookbooks (ChefSpec) as well as our Cobbler/IPMI autoconfiguration etc | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: If we got more volunteers for configuration testing is this something they might use? | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: absolutly. | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Cool. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | absolutly == Absolutely, Vodka-flavored. | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I suggest you say a few words about it at the config testing session as well. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: will do! both me and Toanster | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | oops, torandu | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | OK, the only other topic I had was how we are currently not handling testing of stable/XXX branches well at all. | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | and I'm not sure about the priority of maintaining those stable/XXX branches at this point. | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Well, we certainly need to maintain stable/folsom. | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: ++. That would be a good start | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | I think there is already a daily build for the stable branches whose results are not looked at by any one. | 17:27 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz, dwalleck: By "we", who do you refer to? :) | 17:28 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz, dwalleck: My personal focus is on trunk -- I don't imagine I will have much time to focus on differences between stable releases (especially X - 2 and older) | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: By maintain I meant dealing with any fallout if a checkin to a stable/folsom project branch causes tempest to fail. | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I don't think we should be backporting new tests as a main line activity. | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: k | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: Whomever thinks its important. I think folks who are trying to stay with stable branches might find it difficult to do so without some type of testing. I also don't know how large of an audience that is | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Though others of course are free to do so. | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: much agreed about not backporting. | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: So what is the issue, then? | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: We are gating stable branches on stable tempest, right? | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: oh, I was just thinking about Armando's recent merge request that we basically said "sorry, we're not really adding anything to stable tempest releases, only fixing things" | 17:32 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK. | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: wanted to make sure I wasn't smoking too much Thai stick when I responded that we weren't looking to accept *new* stuff to stable Tempest releases. | 17:33 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: In that case I think we need a "stable tempest" "team" like there is for other projects. | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: agreed, but I don't think I can take part in that team -- if I'm being honest... I just don't have the time. | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I think we should allow people to backport tests to stable branches | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: so perhaps it is worth making that team official at next week's summit and broadcasting the intent to maintain a team for stable releases to the broader community | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: As long as there is a way we don't have to review all of them. | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: ++ | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | k. well, that is all the things I wanted to bring up today... anybody got anything else? | 17:35 |
| dwalleck | nothing here, just heads down | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Not for me. | 17:35 |
| jaypipes | torandu: ? | 17:35 |
| jaypipes | anything? | 17:35 |
| torandu | no. i've been following along. all sounds good | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | To all going to the summit, see you there! | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | davidkranz: Got to run now... | 17:36 |
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| jaypipes | see ya | 17:36 |
| torandu | later! | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 11 17:36:59 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-10-11-17.00.html | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-10-11-17.00.txt | 17:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-10-11-17.00.log.html | 17:37 |
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