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| spn_ | hi | 14:43 |
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| dhellmann | hi, spn | 14:56 |
| spn | hi dhellmann | 14:56 |
| spn | How are you? | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | I'm doing ok, you? | 14:56 |
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| spn | Great!! thank you for asking :) | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | good :-) | 14:59 |
| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 27 15:00:11 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| jtran | me | 15:00 |
| spn | o/ | 15:00 |
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| jtran | so THAT's how you show hand | 15:00 |
| nijaba | yes :) | 15:00 |
| jtran | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | hello | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| nijaba | #topic spn fix Flask pickup when setup.py is used | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "spn fix Flask pickup when setup.py is used (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| spn | yes | 15:01 |
| nijaba | how did it go? | 15:01 |
| spn | I submitted patch | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | that's committed, right? | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| spn | it went well. Understood about dependencies | 15:01 |
| spn | yes | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | thanks again for your persistence on that one, spn :) | 15:02 |
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| nijaba | so we can mark this as done, thanks | 15:02 |
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| surya | o/ | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #topic Need more reviews on the sqlalchemy backend from people who expect to use it | 15:02 |
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| spn | done | 15:03 |
| Guest91638 | o/ | 15:03 |
| nijaba | so jtran commited this great patch | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | we've had some reviews, and I feel like it's getting close to approval | 15:03 |
| nijaba | and dhellman wanted to get more review for it | 15:03 |
| nijaba | so, no need to get fetch more? | 15:04 |
| nijaba | s/get/go | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | jd__ and jtran: what do you think? | 15:04 |
| jtran | i think it's ready :) | 15:04 |
| nijaba | :) | 15:04 |
| jd__ | for me it's good enough | 15:04 |
| jd__ | and I'm for "release early, release often" | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'm going to look at it one more time today before I +2 | 15:05 |
| nijaba | #agreed we've had the right amount of reviews for sqlalchemy | 15:05 |
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| nijaba | that's actually a great commit. thanks jtran | 15:06 |
| jtran | my pleasure | 15:06 |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss Conference presentation at ODS on Monday @2:40 (40min) | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss Conference presentation at ODS on Monday @2:40 (40min) (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:06 | |
| nijaba | title of the session is "What about billing? An introduction to Ceilometer" | 15:07 |
| nijaba | dhellmann and I are to co-present that session | 15:07 |
| nijaba | so this is not a technical session | 15:07 |
| nijaba | and should be focused on uses, not devs | 15:07 |
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| spn | billing? | 15:07 |
| nijaba | we'll have plenty of dev sessions in the morning | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | spn, the original purpose of ceilometer was to collect data for billing | 15:08 |
| nijaba | spn: just to explain that metering is the first step toward billing | 15:08 |
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| spn | nijaba, dhellmann: :-) | 15:08 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: so I was thinking of using jd__ slides that he used at xlcloud as a basis | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: that sounds like a good place to start | 15:09 |
| nijaba | do you think you could add a few about DH's use of it? | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | jd__: how long was your talk there? | 15:09 |
| jd__ | 20 minutes I think | 15:09 |
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| nijaba | yes, it's about 12 slides currently | 15:09 |
| jd__ | you'll probably have to update the schema and reorder some slide | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: sure, I can talk a little about how we are exporting data to our existing billing system | 15:10 |
| jd__ | but it can be a good start I think | 15:10 |
| nijaba | jd__: actually, I have already produced a new version for tonight's meetup in london | 15:10 |
| jd__ | nijaba: great! think about sharing it after then :) | 15:10 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: that would give a concrete example and a great + | 15:10 |
| cp16net | o/ | 15:10 |
| nijaba | jd__: I''ll be forced too anyway ;) | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: +1 | 15:11 |
| * nijaba is not on his usual keyboad, can you guess? | 15:11 | |
| nijaba | I'll also add a slide on the 3 steps toward billing as an intro (metering/rating/billing) | 15:12 |
| nijaba | and use my architecture diagram | 15:12 |
| nijaba | do you think we would need anything else? | 15:12 |
| spn | that sounds good. | 15:13 |
| nijaba | dhellmann I think we should target to have a first version of our respective slides before the next meeting. od you agree and have time? | 15:13 |
| jd__ | you can add other usage like maybe cloudwatch some day, or statistics, i don't know | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | so to summarize: we will have an intro to billing, a bit of project background and architecture based on jd__'s slides, some info from me about DH's integration | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | did I miss anything? | 15:13 |
| nijaba | jd__: good idea | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: yes I agree. time might be more challenging :-) | 15:13 |
| jd__ | (like billing is boring, let's give some other fun idea to people listening :-) | 15:13 |
| nijaba | yet another dealine | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | but I will work on it. can you share what you have so far? | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: yes, capacity planning is another good use | 15:14 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: if you prefer to send me bullets points, I'll do the slideware, if that helps | 15:14 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I will | 15:14 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: that's the words I was looking for :)) | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: I'll work on bullets, but having the context of what you've already got will help me focus :-) | 15:15 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to share a first version of the slides with dhellmann | 15:15 |
| * jd__ hopes nijaba is bullet proof | 15:15 | |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann to provide some bullet points on DH use case | 15:15 |
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| * nijaba always his teflon suit | 15:16 | |
| dhellmann | kevlar? | 15:16 |
| nijaba | teflon is much better | 15:16 |
| jd__ | teflon's better, you can fry your eggs too | 15:16 |
| * dhellmann thinks kevlar would be a good name for presentation software | 15:16 | |
| nijaba | hehe | 15:16 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: +1 | 15:16 |
| * dhellmann is here all week, tip your waitress | 15:17 | |
| jd__ | lol | 15:17 |
| nijaba | #notaction dhellmann to write the specs for kevlar | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | lol | 15:17 |
| zykes- | kevlar ? ;p | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | zykes-: it's the material they make bullet-proof vests from | 15:17 |
| eglynn | in terms of alternative uses of metering beyond billing, how about dynamic quotas? | 15:17 |
| eglynn | (i.e. only go above quota if usage is outside some prediction bands based on trends in metering data) | 15:17 |
| nijaba | ok, I think that's all the topic we had for today | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: interesting idea! | 15:18 |
| cp16net | lol kevlar :-P | 15:18 |
| spn | various groups sharing their unused quota? | 15:18 |
| nijaba | but if gmb is around, I think it would be nice to check our status on release | 15:18 |
| nijaba | today is folsom release day after all | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | jaypipes: what's the status of your devstack patch to add glance config settings for ceilometer? | 15:18 |
| gmb | Argh, otp... bear with me... | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | while we wait, I noticed today that our bug tracker on launchpad had no owner set up, so I set it to the ceilometer-drivers team | 15:19 |
| nijaba | #topic opendiscussion | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opendiscussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:19 | |
| eglynn | devstack patch? is this a dupe: https://review.openstack.org/13746 | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I hope that didn't generate too much extra email traffic :-) | 15:20 |
| cp16net | sry this is my first meeting but anyone know/have an overview of how much of the ceilometer blueprint is implemented? | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I was referring to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13546/ | 15:20 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I didn't see any difference, but I was probably already subscribed to all bugs :) | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: that's a great question | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | jd__: yeah, I'm trying to add triaging to my weekly routine | 15:21 |
| cp16net | dhellmann: i ask bc i am starting to look at using it as well | 15:21 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: sounds like a good idea indeed | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: I don't think we have a comprehensive project plan per se. You may be able to get a sense from looking at tickets. | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | we do have end-to-end functionality for collecting, storing, and querying data from multiple sources, so it is usable now | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | there are quite a few meters left to implement, as well as some API end-points | 15:22 |
| zykes- | is anyone using ceilo in prod ? | 15:22 |
| nijaba | cp16net: http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/Roadmap gives you some idea, bugs as well | 15:22 |
| cp16net | dhellmann: ok my team has looked at using it with reddwarf and adding some meters for our product. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | zykes-: DreamHost is moving in that direction soon, but it isn't done enough yet. | 15:22 |
| eglynn | dhellman: how about I just combine both glance-related devstack changes (creds & config) to get it in | 15:23 |
| cp16net | nijaba: dead link? means nothing? :-P | 15:23 |
| nijaba | cp16net: caps got me: http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: what is reddwarf? | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: works for me! | 15:23 |
| cp16net | nijaba: oh i see those matter in the link... | 15:24 |
| spn | me too | 15:24 |
| nijaba | redward is DAAS | 15:24 |
| jtran | DAAS? | 15:24 |
| cp16net | reddwarf is paas built on nova | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: we probably need to update that page :-) | 15:24 |
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| spn | dhellmann: good idea | 15:24 |
| zykes- | cp16net: which product ? | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update status on http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap | 15:25 |
| cp16net | dbaas is the first | 15:25 |
| zykes- | RedDwarf 2 nijaba is DBaaS | 15:25 |
| cp16net | ye zykes- | 15:25 |
| zykes- | there are 2 implementations, one forked off of Nova and the other one is a "Lite" version | 15:25 |
| zykes- | kinda like what happened to Keystone | 15:25 |
| jtran | BadAas | 15:25 |
| nijaba | lol | 15:25 |
| cp16net | lite is the new version | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: we have tried to make ceilometer "open" to new meters | 15:26 |
| zykes- | cp16net: what's your product ? | 15:26 |
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| zykes- | dhellmann: how is it not open now ? | 15:26 |
| cp16net | cloud databases | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | zykes-: it is open, that's my point | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: if you have trouble sending info from reddwarf or have suggestions for ways to make it easier, we should discuss on the mailing list | 15:27 |
| cp16net | dhellmann: so would the core team be willing to accept new meters for products like reddwarf or should they have then built into their product? | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: it can work both ways | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | if you use rpc to send meter events in the right format, we will accept them and store them like anything else | 15:27 |
| nijaba | cp16net: I would also suggest that you come to our sessions at ODS on monday morning | 15:27 |
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| cp16net | dhellmann: ok thanks will do. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | if you want to add something to one of the agents, there is a plugin system for making that easy | 15:28 |
| cp16net | nijaba: i'll try my best i get there monday morning. | 15:28 |
| nijaba | cool | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: have a look at http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html and ask questions on the mailing list if you have any! | 15:28 |
| nijaba | cp16net: sessions that we'll have: http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/GrizzlySummit | 15:28 |
| cp16net | thx i am sure i will have some q's | 15:29 |
| zykes- | cp16net: product for which company ? | 15:29 |
| nijaba | cp16net: http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/GrizzlySummit/CustomizingCeilometer would seem what you need | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | cp16net: I'm on IRC a good bit, but would like to have most of the questions on the list to make the answers available to others later | 15:29 |
| cp16net | damn both of the sessions are first thing monday morning | 15:29 |
| cp16net | i should at least make the second one. | 15:29 |
| cp16net | zykes-: rackspace | 15:30 |
| zykes- | cp16net: isn't that out already ? | 15:30 |
| cp16net | zykes-: yes | 15:30 |
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| zykes- | so what's there to launch ? : p | 15:31 |
| zykes- | how hard is it to add meters ? | 15:32 |
| nijaba | zykes-: depends how deply buried the information is | 15:33 |
| jtran | zykes-: pretty easy | 15:33 |
| cp16net | zykes-: :-P yeah but something common | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | zykes-: it depends a bit on where the data comes from | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | zykes-: polling and notification handling are pretty easy from the ceilometer side | 15:33 |
| nijaba | #link http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/contributing/plugins.html | 15:35 |
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| gmb | Well that was staggeringly good timing... | 15:36 |
| nijaba | welcome back gmb | 15:36 |
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| gmb | Just resolving things after a network outage; I'll email the list with a summary of how things stand for the release since things look a bit flaky. | 15:37 |
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| nijaba | cp16net: do you have what you need for now? | 15:37 |
| nijaba | #action gmb to email the list with a summary of how things stand for the release | 15:38 |
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| nijaba | ok, any other topics, anyone? | 15:38 |
| * dhellmann shakes head | 15:39 | |
| spn | same here | 15:39 |
| nijaba | ok then, thanks for another great meeting everyone | 15:39 |
| jd__ | \o/ | 15:39 |
| spn | :-) | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 15:40 |
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| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| spn | have a great day | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 27 15:40:15 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-27-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-27-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-27-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| cp16net | thanks i'm good :) | 15:44 |
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| davidkranz | Any QAers here? | 17:01 |
| torandu | yes, here. good morning | 17:01 |
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| torandu | I'm Sean Gallagher. I'm working w/ Jay Pipes | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | torandu: Good. Is Jay around? | 17:02 |
| torandu | I'm relatively new to the project and plan to work on testing | 17:02 |
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| torandu | yes, Jay should be here shortly | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | Hi Ravi. | 17:02 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Hi David | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | #startmeeting qa | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 27 17:03:25 2012 UTC. The chair is davidkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | mnewby: You there? | 17:04 |
| mnewby | davidkranz: here | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | OK, I don't see Daryl or Jose so we are probably not going to get a swift update. | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | mnewby: How is the quantum stuff going? I replied to some one asking about quantum tempest testing on the openstack list. | 17:05 |
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| davidkranz | Do you know him or did he just arrive? | 17:05 |
| mnewby | davidkranz: I'm afraid the effort stalled while I worked on getting quantum running reliably with devstack. | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | mnewby: OK, that certainly has to come first :) | 17:06 |
| mnewby | davidkranz: devstack/kvm+quantum is more or less working. working on devstack/xen+quantum now. | 17:07 |
| mnewby | davidkranz: once I finish that I'll get back to tempest tests targeting a minimal devstack config, as a starting point for more involved testing. | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | mnewby: Sounds good. At that point other people could add tests as well. | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | mnewby: Perhaps there should be a blueprint for this. | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | mnewby: I saw one for quantum testing in the tempest area but it seemed much older. | 17:08 |
| mnewby | davidkranz: I'm open to that. | 17:09 |
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| davidkranz | I think blueprints make it easier for other people to jump in without stepping all over each other. | 17:09 |
| torandu | +1 | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | torandu: I was out yesterday but saw there was an IRC discussion of the volumes flaky failures. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | Is anything more known about that? | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | torandu: I think Jay was involved in that discussion. | 17:11 |
| torandu | no, I don't have any info | 17:11 |
| torandu | I met w/ jay this am to discuss devstack & expectations re testing | 17:12 |
| torandu | I've had some issues w/ my env | 17:12 |
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| torandu | I'm going to collect output and post for review | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | torandu: OK | 17:12 |
| torandu | I'm still green and want to make sure my env is correct | 17:13 |
| torandu | Jay tells me that exercise.sh should all pass. that hasn't been the case for me | 17:13 |
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| davidkranz | torandu: Gool luck. | 17:14 |
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| davidkranz | Are any of the IBM guys here? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: I'm here | 17:15 |
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| davidkranz | mtreinish: I think the existing XML changes have all been approved and are just being held up by needing to be rebased. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Are there any more coming? | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: I don't think there are any more right now, we've mostly been doing the samples api work in nova lately | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: OK, sounds good. | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | Does any one have any other suggestions for summit sessions? | 17:17 |
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| torandu | davidkranz: what's been proposed so far? | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | hey guys, here now. sorry for being late | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | torandu: See http://summit.openstack.org/, sort by topic and look at QA | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Hi Jay. | 17:20 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: ty for taking up the summit stuff. really appreciated. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: No problem. I have been swamped with other stuff and this is a good excuse to get back to some tempest stuff. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Monty proposed http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/69 for the QA session. | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | lemme take alook | 17:22 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: He said that stuff supports parallel execution.... | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Perhaps we could kill two birds with one stone. | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | davidkranz: Getting help from the ci team on this would be huge. | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: yeah, I'd support that. I've looked at testtools and found it nice, but not sure it will work great with the kind of module and package-level fixtures we use in Tempest. though... to be fair, nosetests doesn't either :( | 17:24 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: Presumably there is another way to do that if necessary. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: perhaps. we can also look at doing something home-grown, like the CloudScaling tarkin project: https://github.com/cloudscaling/tarkin | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: as for the volumes stuff, jgriffith was investigating and will let us know his findings | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Good. That seems like a really nasty issue. | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: not sure yet :( I haven't seen any failures myself | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I can't get one locally either but they have happened a lot in the gate. | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: yeah, I was asking jgriffith for a link to failures... couldn't find any. but at the rate in which commits are flying through, not surprising. if you have a link, please share | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: With regard to the parallel stuff, I thought there would be a big advantage to doing what the ci group does about this. | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: agreed. | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I filed a bug about the volume thing and put in a link. I'll chase it down in a sec. | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1056213 | 17:30 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1056213 in tempest "Flakey build failures in some volume tests" [Undecided,New] | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | cheers | 17:30 |
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| jaypipes | I'll try to take a look at it (though it's a bit tough to find time right now :( | 17:31 |
| jaypipes | how are we doing as a team on code reviews in the tempest code review queue? | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | One other thing we have to think about is whether to continue work on stable/folsom for now (need to create it anyway) or on master (grizzly)? | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | davidkranz: I think I would favot stable/folsom for a bit. | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, I think it's good to work on stable/folsom until the release at a minimum... | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: talking to yourself again? ;) | 17:32 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Sticky fingers :) | 17:33 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Wasn't Folsom just released? | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: RC I think? | 17:33 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: Thierry sent a message. I think it was the real thing | 17:34 |
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| jaypipes | oh, ok. then definitely, we need to make the stable branch | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I will work with jeblair on that. | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK. | 17:36 |
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| davidkranz | Anything else, any one? | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | not from me. I'll look over the design summit proposals today and get someinput to you | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK, thanks. Some of them are obviously not appropriate for the QA session. | 17:38 |
| torandu | when is the list finalized? | 17:39 |
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| davidkranz | torandu: It is supposed to be finalized by end of next week but I would like to have all the proposals in by Wednesday. | 17:39 |
| torandu | ok. I'll catch you off-meeting for more detail. thx | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | torandu: I am trying to grab two more slots from swift or horizon. | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | OK. In that case I will end the meeting. | 17:40 |
| notmyname | I should know more by the end of monday wrt swift slots | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | notmyname: Ah. I was just going to send you an email. | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | notmyname: While you're here, do you know what happened to the tempest swift tests? | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: notmyname is no longer at RAX | 17:41 |
| notmyname | davidkranz: last I knew they expired (but that was several weeks ago) | 17:42 |
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| notmyname | expired in gerrit | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | yeah. | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I know, but he is still PTL... | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: :) understood | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | davidkranz: OK, I'll ask Daryl. | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | Talking to myself again dammit! | 17:42 |
| notmyname | I've been waiting for them to get in so that I'm not dependent on RAX QA schedules for swift releases | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: ++\ | 17:43 |
| jaypipes | they've been expired and restored about 10 times now :( | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | notmyname: That relates to the topic I just proposed for the summit about "bringing QA into the open". | 17:43 |
| jaypipes | the things we needed cleaned up really weren't that much, either... | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | notmyname: RAX must have more tests than were represented in JOse's submission. | 17:44 |
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| notmyname | davidkranz: RAX's tests also cover end-to-end tests for the value add (CDN) and product (billing) stuff | 17:44 |
| torandu | davidkranz: "bringing QA into the open" has been on my mind. +1 on the topic for discussion at the summit | 17:44 |
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| davidkranz | notmyname: We really want tempest to be an "acceptance test" for openstack which is I guess what you want too. | 17:45 |
| notmyname | davidkranz: my main concern is that releases have enough QA to be prod-ready. getting the tests into tempest is one good way to do that. | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | notmyname: Yes, that is the subject to be discussed at the summit: how to make that happen. | 17:47 |
| notmyname | I also want to run the swift tests here at swiftstack (for our product releases and for swift releases) | 17:47 |
| notmyname | again, tempest is one way to do that and probably one of the easiest ways to do it | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | notmyname: Of course. I just thought it would be good if "the swift tests" you mean were in a pubolci repository. | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | Grr. "public repository" | 17:48 |
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| davidkranz | I think we are all in agreement about this. | 17:49 |
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| notmyname | yes | 17:50 |
| davidkranz | I have to run to another meeting so I am going to end this for now. I will update my summit proposal a little bit based on this discussion. | 17:50 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: cool, thx man | 17:51 |
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| davidkranz | Talk to you all soon. | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 27 17:51:25 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-27-17.03.html | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-27-17.03.log.html | 17:51 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: I'll do stable branch first thing tomorrow. We actually need a bit of CI magic first | 18:35 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: ok, great, thx thierry | 18:37 |
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| mikal | . | 21:03 |
| * russellb does the folsom dance | 21:04 | |
| sdague | russellb: is there a youtube video for that? :) | 21:04 |
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| russellb | not yet | 21:04 |
| dansmith | I'm sure we can get it on film during the summit | 21:05 |
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| jk0 | meeting today? | 21:13 |
| russellb | so, I see 21 nova submissions on summit.openstack.org | 21:13 |
| russellb | and I think we have more slots than that | 21:13 |
| russellb | so, what are we missing? :) | 21:14 |
| sdague | I wonder if vishy went straight for beers after the victory lap | 21:14 |
| vishy | hi | 21:14 |
| mlavalle | . | 21:14 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:14 |
| vishy | was working on a bug | 21:14 |
| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:14 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 27 21:14:30 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:14 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:14 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:14 |
| sdague | russellb: is there an easy way to sort on component? | 21:14 |
| vishy | (well 3 bugs actually) | 21:14 |
| russellb | sdague: click the header | 21:14 |
| sdague | never mind | 21:14 |
| sdague | yep, just figured that out :) | 21:14 |
| russellb | :-p | 21:15 |
| markmc | hey | 21:15 |
| russellb | actually 19 submissions ... 2 were put in twice | 21:15 |
| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:15 |
| vishy | #topic Folsom Celebration | 21:15 |
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| vishy | \o/ | 21:16 |
| vishy | we released | 21:16 |
| * sdague pops champagne | 21:16 | |
| russellb | <("<) ^("^) (^")^ (>")> | 21:16 |
| markmc | yay | 21:16 |
| * markmc pours himself a whiskey | 21:16 | |
| * sdague thinks markmc should bring some to summit | 21:16 | |
| vishy | #topic Summit Planning | 21:17 |
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| vishy | who has a link handy to the proposals page? | 21:17 |
| markmc | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 21:17 |
| markmc | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 21:17 |
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| markmc | the non-design summit schedule is pretty packed btw | 21:18 |
| markmc | #link http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/ | 21:18 |
| vishy | i haven't even started looking at them yet | 21:19 |
| vishy | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/4 | 21:19 |
| vishy | but help reviewing would be great | 21:19 |
| vishy | does anyone else have the ability to review stuff? | 21:19 |
| sdague | it's forbidden for me | 21:19 |
| russellb | that link is forbidden for me | 21:19 |
| mikal | Ditto | 21:20 |
| vishy | ok maybe i will try to get ttx to add some permissions so others can help review | 21:20 |
| vishy | markmc can you hit it? | 21:20 |
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| markmc | vishy, nope | 21:20 |
| vishy | (wonder if your openstack-common powers gives you help) | 21:20 |
| markmc | vishy, I can just review openstack-common ones | 21:20 |
| vishy | #action vishy to ping ttx about adding other reviewers | 21:20 |
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| russellb | can you add private comments when reviewing? | 21:21 |
| vishy | you can add comments that are only visible to reviewers and author | 21:22 |
| vishy | * proposer | 21:22 |
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| russellb | ah gotcha. | 21:22 |
| vishy | i don't really have anything else | 21:22 |
| vishy | anyone have cool topics to discuss? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | I do | 21:23 |
| vishy | #topic Open Discussion | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | oh wait.. cool? | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | I'm headed out of town again tomorrow early, | 21:23 |
| sdague | notably missing is really any API discussions. It seems like we should have some talk about resolving some of the inconsistencies, and what should go into a v3 | 21:23 |
| dansmith | and mauro needs this for cloudpipe testing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13787/ | 21:23 |
| mikal | We've also kind of failed at hypervisor feature parity | 21:24 |
| mikal | Perhaps we don't care about it any more? | 21:24 |
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| russellb | mikal: probably needs someone to step up and push on it | 21:26 |
| russellb | i think that should be an ongoing goal of the project | 21:26 |
| mikal | Yeah, there was talk about it at the last summit, but we haven't actually taken much action | 21:26 |
| mikal | I'm as guilty as the next person | 21:26 |
| vishy | sdague: sounds like something good to discuss, although i don't think we will want to start on v3 until post grizzly | 21:26 |
| mikal | Perhaps we just need a plan | 21:26 |
| russellb | everyone should push it to some degree ... like this bittorrent xen driver patch | 21:26 |
| sdague | vishy: yep, that's fine, there is a lot of inconsistency that needs to be looked at | 21:27 |
| russellb | mikal: more big projects we can talk about than people with the time to do them in a given cycle :) | 21:27 |
| vishy | mikal: a lot of parity has been added for sure, although there is stuff needed | 21:27 |
| sdague | like 200 vs 202 being a little arbitrary, error codes being a little arbitrary. I created a blueprint to try to start tagging things that pop up during sample api testing | 21:28 |
| vishy | mikal: for example: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-block-device-handling | 21:28 |
| eglynn | sdague: yep, it would be great to clean up all those response code inconsistencies | 21:28 |
| sdague | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/v2-api-inconsistencies | 21:28 |
| vishy | sdague: so i guess it would be good to have a session about what to do in the meantime | 21:28 |
| vishy | as in do we do v 2.5 | 21:28 |
| vishy | or way scaled down 3.0 that is just consistency and nothing else | 21:28 |
| sdague | vishy: yes, perhaps we can call it a clarifying API. No new function, just changes for consistency | 21:29 |
| eglynn | the consensus seemed to be that response code changes would need a v3.0 | 21:29 |
| markmc | if we do backwards incompat changes it probably has to be 3.0 | 21:29 |
| markmc | even if no new features | 21:29 |
| vishy | eglynn: the number isn't really important | 21:29 |
| vishy | eglynn: it is more the scope of changes i was referring to | 21:29 |
| eglynn | vishy: got it | 21:30 |
| vishy | markmc: are we moving extensions into core/ deprecating useless stuff like personalities etc. | 21:30 |
| markmc | as soon as you open the door for 3.0, though | 21:30 |
| markmc | folks will ... | 21:30 |
| vishy | markmc: yeah, that is why i wanted to call it 2.5 :| | 21:30 |
| sdague | markmc: well, unless you hold the door hard :) | 21:30 |
| markmc | that's what I was about to say | 21:30 |
| markmc | vishy, the number isn't important :-P | 21:30 |
| russellb | zing | 21:30 |
| vishy | we could call ig 2.01 and then at the last minute change it to 3.0 | 21:30 |
| vishy | ! | 21:30 |
| markmc | now there's a cunning plan | 21:31 |
| * vishy goes to delete the irc logs | 21:31 | |
| vishy | homework for next week | 21:32 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:32 |
| vishy | come up with important summit sessions so we can discuss what is still missing | 21:32 |
| russellb | cake is missing | 21:33 |
| sdague | it's a lie | 21:33 |
| vishy | ok we're done | 21:35 |
| vishy | thanks everyone | 21:35 |
| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 27 21:35:32 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-27-21.14.html | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-27-21.14.txt | 21:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-27-21.14.log.html | 21:35 |
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| mordred | #startmeeting test | 22:25 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 27 22:25:10 2012 UTC. The chair is mordred. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:25 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:25 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'test' | 22:25 |
| mordred | #topic discussion of stuff | 22:25 |
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| mordred | say things | 22:25 |
| mordred | #endmeeting | 22:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 27 22:25:39 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2012/test.2012-09-27-22.25.html | 22:25 |
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