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| jgriffith | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | jgriffith: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 19 16:02:52 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Role call? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Looks like short meeting :) | 16:03 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:03 |
| Rongze_zhu | hi | 16:03 |
| rnirmal | hey | 16:03 |
| * bswartz is here | 16:03 | |
| jgriffith | Ohh... so close! | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:03 |
| jdurgin | hello | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Alright, cool | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #topic rc1 | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc1" | 16:05 | |
| jgriffith | We cut RC1 yesterday and I think we got everything we had slated in | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | Thanks EVERYONE for all the work the past week | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | ESPECIALLY all the work on syncing back to Nova | 16:06 |
| creiht | morning | 16:06 |
| creiht | you guys are making great progress :) | 16:06 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: is there a process in place to figure out if anything was missed in the cinder->nova backporting effort? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yes... testing! | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | So that's what I'd like to ask now | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Anybody who has some cycles... I'd like to do some good testing | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to set up an etherpad we can keep updated | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | That way we won't all test the same thing :) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Particularly, I'd like to test a number of things: | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | 1. Migrate from nova-vol (Folsom) ---> Cinder (Folsom) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | This would include having volumes and snapshots created | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | 2. Setup/run with cinder on seperate node from compute | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | 3. multiple cinder nodes | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | you get the idea... | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | If you have time: http://etherpad.openstack.org/cinder-rc1testing | 16:10 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: where is the process of migrating documented? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Throw up test ideas here as well as sign up for any you might do or want to work on | 16:11 |
| bswartz | I've never actually tried migrating from n-vol to c-vol | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: That's the other thing we all need to work on *documentation* | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: So right now there's a couple of methods I've added to cinder-manage | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: One for *moving* persistent target files | 16:12 |
| bswartz | yeah I don't want to side track the meeting, but is there a script we can run to do the migration, or follow some manual steps? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: The other does a DB migration | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Those are the tools we have in place for getting the data over... | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | We need to work on a script to do the config work still | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: That's something I'm planning to get back to working on later today *hopefully* | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | but I could sure use help on all of this stuff | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: answer your question? | 16:14 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: yes thank you | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: NP | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | So if anybody can do any sort of testing this week that would be fantastic | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | The next topic is even less popular :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | #documentation | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | #topic documentation | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "documentation" | 16:15 | |
| jgriffith | I've been harping about documentation for the drivers but I know we've been busy just getting changes in | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | But NOW is the time | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I'm as guilty on this as anyone | 16:16 |
| bswartz | I have plans to document the netapp drivers | 16:16 |
| bswartz | I realize it's ridiculously late | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: It's never too late until after we release :) | 16:17 |
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| rongze | where is the documentation? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | rongze: We have to generate it :) | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | rongze: So first step seperate from the drivers is going to be here: | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | docs.openstack.org | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | We'll need to create cinder versions of the nova-volume docuemntation | 16:18 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: do you have a link to the github repo for the docs? I'm not finding it | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yeah... | 16:19 |
| bswartz | is it https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals ? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals | 16:19 |
| bswartz | okay thanks | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yup.... sorry for the delay there :) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: So it's ugly as it's all XML | 16:19 |
| rongze | sample : http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/admin/content/nexenta-driver.html ?? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | But I think we can get help from the docs gurus if needed | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | rongze: exactly! | 16:20 |
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| rnirmal | jgriffith: that is different from this right http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/ | 16:21 |
| rnirmal | developer docs | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yes! | 16:21 |
| rnirmal | which is the primary focus | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | The developer docs are in the project source | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | in the docs dir and auto upload etc | 16:22 |
| rnirmal | k gotcha.... so focus is going to be on admin docs | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | My priority would be the admin docs right now yes | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: But if there's one that folks feel more comfortable with versus another I don't care | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | We just need to update | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | My perference is we do everything we can to make transition for users as smooth as possible | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | Which translates to *admin docs* | 16:23 |
| rnirmal | ok another question | 16:23 |
| rnirmal | updating volumes doc in openstack-compute/admin or | 16:24 |
| rnirmal | create a new one for cinder ? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: So this is kinda tricky | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: What might work is augment compute with cinder info | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: I would like to break the cinder docs out but I don't think that's going to work at this point | 16:25 |
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| rnirmal | hmm I don't know.. since the volumes in openstack-compute would be nova-volumes related... the docs for the drivers are going to be the same | 16:26 |
| rnirmal | but other things... there's differences | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yeah, that's where it gets a bit tricky | 16:26 |
| rongze | Your mean is add new driver document into openstack-compute/admin ? | 16:27 |
| rnirmal | yes | 16:27 |
| rongze | such as xiv/netapp? | 16:27 |
| rnirmal | would it suffice to say... update the nova-volumes docs.. add all the missing pieces then port those docs over for cinder? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yes, I think for the drivers that's ideal | 16:27 |
| rongze | I want to do that, but my english is not good.. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | rongze: It seems as good as mine :) | 16:28 |
| rongze | I think it need the author of the driver to do that. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | rongze: Yes, I think the driver authors MUST do their drivers | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | So... on the other side here's a better example: | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/admin/content/ch_volumes.html | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | We need to update the managing volumes section | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Include cinder info and mark it as the default | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Volume drivers, we just update appropriately (this is where myself, bswartz jdurgin etc come in) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | We need to add sections for things we added such as: NFS, clone image etc | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | That would be a good start... | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | After that we'll want a specific migrate nova-vol--->cinder section | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | Make sense? | 16:32 |
| rongze | yes | 16:32 |
| rnirmal | yup | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | anybody disagree, or see a better approach/starting point? | 16:32 |
| jdurgin | yup | 16:32 |
| jdurgin | makes sense, that is | 16:32 |
| * bswartz agrees | 16:32 | |
| jgriffith | Ok... one yes and two yups wins | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | #topic anything we know we missed already | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "anything we know we missed already" | 16:33 | |
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| jgriffith | So is there anything folks already know we NEED to get in for Folsom that was missed in RC1 | 16:33 |
| bswartz | I have an open bug | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Ok... silence was what I hoped for on that one | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DOH! | 16:34 |
| bswartz | was planning to fix it | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: You do? Which one? | 16:34 |
| bswartz | sec | 16:34 |
| bswartz | 1050359 | 16:34 |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1050359 | 16:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1050359 in nova "Tests fail on 32bit machines (_get_hash_str is platform dependent)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Ahhh! Yes | 16:35 |
| bswartz | it won't be hard to fix | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I did see that one and knew about it | 16:35 |
| bswartz | I just need to test and checkin | 16:35 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: do you foresee any problems getting that fix accepted? | 16:36 |
| bswartz | it needs to go into both cinder and nova | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, I wasn't sure about the validity of running OS on 32 bit but it's supported so it should go in | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: I don't think it should be an issue | 16:36 |
| bswartz | okay well that's like #2 on my todo list | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: But I think the Nova side is stricter on this stuff than I am :) | 16:37 |
| bswartz | it was the nova folks that discovered it | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: We'll raise it and see, but it seems like it should qualify | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anything else folks have? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:38 |
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| rongze | I have a suggestion , if we first have migrate nova-vol--->cinder section in document , our testing for cinder-rc1testing will be easy. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | rongze: good idea | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | We can note it on the ehterpad and work on it | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | Even if folks want to document migration steps on the ehterpad as a working doc we can then formalize it into a doc later | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I'll try to get to that step 1 piece on the etherpad later (unless someone beats me to it) :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | It's going to be something like: install cinder, set up DB, copy targets and DB, verify transfer | 16:42 |
| rongze | what is the targets? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | detach volumes from instances, stop services, reconfig, start services etc | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | rongze: iscsi targets | 16:42 |
| rongze | Do it need to copy? | 16:43 |
| rongze | targets' config ? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | rongze: More accurately it's the persistent target files/configs | 16:43 |
| rongze | oh, I know | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | We don't have to recreate the targets themeselves | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | rongze: We could also leave them where they are rather than move them | 16:44 |
| rongze | yes | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | Ok, that part is probably only applicable in devstack env | 16:45 |
| rongze | Do devstack support multi cinder-volume? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | rongze: I don't think most people use it that way | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | rongze: There is multi node support with devstack on hardware | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | rongze: that's what I was trying to set up a couple weeks ago but got distracted | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | It's kinda just *cheating* or being lazy and using devstack to install everyting for you | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | Then manually figuring out all the config file settings etc that need done | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | At least that was my approach | 16:49 |
| rongze | when we testing multiple cinder nodes, we need multi cinder-volume env. | 16:49 |
| rongze | if devstack support it, it will be easy to test. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | devstack won't do it automatically, but it will handle all the grunt work (installing the packages, setting up DB's networking etc) | 16:50 |
| rongze | oh, I see | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | TBH manual install as painful as it is would be the *best* thing to do but I tend to have mixed results when I do that :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | It's very time consuming and I'm lazy, that's why I love devstack :) | 16:52 |
| rongze | I love too... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | rongze: If you get started on it and need some help let me know | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | rongze: I'm by no means an install/config expert but I can try to help and maybe learn some more :) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anybody have anything else? | 16:54 |
| gatuus | ahh | 16:55 |
| rongze | I think I have no time to test.. I must to write a topic. | 16:55 |
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| gatuus | ceph? | 16:55 |
| rongze | I have a topic in Design summit, it is about volume on local storage. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | gatuus: yes, what about it? | 16:55 |
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| gatuus | are you planning to .. well support it in some time.. or we need to wati for the inktank guys to make the.. mm.. I dunno the tests? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | gatuus: It is supported (RBD) at any rate, is there something specific you're looking for? | 16:57 |
| gatuus | I need to make tests.. but dont know where to start.. sorry.. | 16:57 |
| rongze | I remember a blog record the test. | 16:57 |
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| rongze | http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2012/06/10/introducing-ceph-to-openstack/ | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | gatuus: That will work for the most part if you just s/nova.voume/cinder/ | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | gatuus: Does that help? | 17:01 |
| rongze | jgriffith: My topic is about local storage, it is like http://wiki.cloudstack.org/display/RelOps/Local+storage+for+data+volumes. | 17:02 |
| gatuus | yes a lot thanks | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | rongze: cool, I haven't checked the submisssions page lately TBH, did you propose it? | 17:03 |
| rongze | jgriffith: yes | 17:03 |
| rongze | 90% | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | rongze: Ok, I'll be sure to check later. For some reason I'm not getting email updates on that this time around | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | Ok... everyone | 17:04 |
| gatuus | rongze: Page Not Found ?? | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | gatuus: Odd... it came up for me? | 17:04 |
| gatuus | hehehe | 17:04 |
| gatuus | sorry | 17:04 |
| gatuus | but not for me =( | 17:04 |
| rongze | I have impl implement dependence snapshot, and it can upload snapshot to swift. | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | alright everyone, thanks for your time and all the effort so far this release cycle! | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | Need to break... | 17:05 |
| gatuus | "The CloudStack wiki is under migration. " bblablabla | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | I'll be on IRC of course if anything comes up | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 17:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 19 17:05:29 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-09-19-16.02.html | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-09-19-16.02.txt | 17:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-09-19-16.02.log.html | 17:05 |
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