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| danwent | anyone here for the quantum meeting on labor day? | 19:59 |
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| danwent | ugh, off by an hour :) | 20:01 |
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| danwent | hi folks | 20:59 |
| danwent | who's around? | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
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| danwent | i accidentally showed up for the meeting an hour early and thought that no one was going to attend :P | 21:00 |
| arosen | Hi | 21:00 |
| nati_ueno | Hi ho | 21:00 |
| arosen | Might still happen :) | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | I am around… no holiday today this side of the world | 21:00 |
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| amotoki | hello | 21:00 |
| danwent | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | danwent: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:01 |
| danwent | #startmeeting Quantum | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 3 21:01:17 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quantum' | 21:01 |
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| danwent | sigh… going to take a while to get used to that :) | 21:01 |
| zykes- | what meeting is this? | 21:01 |
| danwent | #info Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
| danwent | quantum team meeting | 21:01 |
| garyk | hi | 21:01 |
| danwent | #topic announcements | 21:01 |
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| danwent | garyk: hey | 21:01 |
| zhuadl | hi | 21:02 |
| ijw | o/ | 21:02 |
| danwent | #info reminder about the summit: http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/ | 21:02 |
| garyk | danwent: hi | 21:02 |
| danwent | #info and summit hotel rooms. I hear they are booking up fast: http://embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/groups/personalized/S/SANDNES-OPE-20121014/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG | 21:02 |
| danwent | #topic Folsom RC1 | 21:02 |
| danwent | #info RC1 status: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:02 |
| danwent | #info RC1 still targeted for 9/10… just one week away from today | 21:03 |
| ijw | s/booking/booked - I couldn't get a booking for a week when I tried the website | 21:03 |
| danwent | ijw: ah, may have past. I haven't booked yet either :( | 21:03 |
| nati_ueno | Mariot looks still has rooms :) | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | ljw: You can book at the openstack rate only between 14 and 19th | 21:03 |
| danwent | first off, I want to thank those that have been putting so much effort in over the week | 21:03 |
| ijw | There's a load of hotels within a mile of the summit, we might just have to get some exercise ;) | 21:03 |
| danwent | fantastic work. its still crunch time for one more week, but we've been making great progress | 21:04 |
| danwent | I have a couple goals that I'd like the team to shoot for before the OpenStack team meeting tomorrow: | 21:04 |
| danwent | 1) have all "gap" issues closed. Only "true bugs" remain. | 21:04 |
| danwent | this means closing out the testing-agent stuff | 21:05 |
| danwent | as well as the l3 multiple external networks | 21:05 |
| danwent | basically, by tomorrow, if it any broke, we aren't going to fix it :) | 21:05 |
| danwent | 2) move all 'confirmed' bugs to 'in progress', or drop from release | 21:05 |
| danwent | we still have 7 bugs that are confirmed, but not in progress | 21:05 |
| danwent | we should either get working on those, or get them out of RC1 | 21:06 |
| nati_ueno | I can take some | 21:06 |
| danwent | 3) get number of 'confirmed' or 'in progress' bugs from 18 -> 12 | 21:06 |
| danwent | this means closing out current items that are in review | 21:06 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: great. there are a couple unassigned items we'll discuss in a few minutes. that's probably best place to start | 21:07 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it | 21:07 |
| danwent | Do people think these goals are reasonable? Or that we should also be tracking some other milestones? | 21:07 |
| danwent | I'd like to get it to the point that we have a small set of critical bugs we all are tracking | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | seems reasonable to me | 21:07 |
| arosen | Sounds good to me. | 21:08 |
| garyk | danwent: sounds good | 21:08 |
| danwent | right now the total bug count is too high, and ttx will ding us :) | 21:08 |
| nati_ueno | sounds good | 21:08 |
| amotoki | sound reasonable | 21:08 |
| zhuadl | +1 | 21:08 |
| danwent | ok, sounds good, thanks. | 21:08 |
| danwent | I also just wanted to highlight what quantum contributors are hopefully focusing on at this point | 21:08 |
| danwent | 1) testing: including more advanced scenarios, negative testing (restarts, bad input, etc). | 21:08 |
| danwent | 2) bug-fixing/bug-fix reviewing | 21:08 |
| danwent | 3) documentation. | 21:09 |
| danwent | the third is extra important, and we'll discuss it more below | 21:09 |
| danwent | but its really key that we make sure we're testing beyond just the 'default configs' | 21:09 |
| nati_ueno | I see the gap at integration testing (Tempest) | 21:09 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: agreed. mnewby already has discussed plans to work on this. | 21:10 |
| danwent | but i'm not sure of timeline | 21:10 |
| danwent | we also have the devstack scripts that we can continue to improve | 21:10 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: OK I'll talk with mnewby | 21:10 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: if you have cycles to work on this, that would be great. | 21:10 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: as you know, this has come up in the discussions we've been having with the CI folks as well. | 21:11 |
| mnewby | hi! | 21:11 |
| danwent | so it would be very valuable | 21:11 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Yes I'm going to start tempest | 21:11 |
| mnewby | i/m doing tempest already, actually | 21:11 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: hi! | 21:11 |
| danwent | mnewby: i know you've been thinking a lot about quantum + tempest. | 21:11 |
| danwent | please coordinate with nati_ueno on this, thanks. | 21:11 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: please assign some test case for me | 21:11 |
| mnewby | will do | 21:11 |
| danwent | ideally we can even get something running before the final folsom release, but we're not going to block the RC1 release on it. | 21:12 |
| danwent | wanted to quickly highlight some unassigne issues still pending for RC1 | 21:12 |
| danwent | #help https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1042397 | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1042397 in quantum "multi nic guests - cannot ping/ssh intermittently-quantum network " [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:12 |
| danwent | while this bug was actually for Essex, the discussion highlighted some possible deficiencies in our implementation of gateways when VMs have multiple NICs | 21:13 |
| danwent | I think the original quantum API design can handle it, but I'm not sure if the implementation followed that approach. | 21:13 |
| danwent | would be very helpful if someone could be point on following up on these issues | 21:13 |
| danwent | anyone interested? | 21:13 |
| danwent | (see bottom of bug thread) | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | --no-gateway didn't work? | 21:14 |
| arosen | danwent: sure I'll go a head and take this one. | 21:14 |
| danwent | er, actually, middle of thread | 21:14 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: the use case is actually that there is a gateway on the second network, its just not the default gateway | 21:14 |
| danwent | i'm worried our implementation might always assume a gateway is a default gateway | 21:14 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: How about host_routes | 21:14 |
| danwent | and that we're not correctly populating host_routes by default | 21:15 |
| danwent | but i'm not sure. nati_ueno how about you comment on the bug and we'll figure out if more work is required | 21:15 |
| danwent | if so, then you and arosen can figure out who does the work. | 21:15 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it. I'll read thread | 21:15 |
| danwent | thx. you can mostly ignore the stuff from jay, as it is essex specific. we should probably create a new bug if we decide there is also an issue with folsom (based on comments from salvatore and i) | 21:16 |
| danwent | ok, next issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1044083 | 21:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1044083 in quantum "rootwrap filter for ip netns exec" [High,Confirmed] | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | I can work on this.. since I found the hole | 21:16 |
| danwent | can anyone from red hat confirm/deny if jrd is working on this? | 21:16 |
| danwent | markmcclain: ok, great. | 21:16 |
| danwent | I've pinged jrd, and will loop you in, just to make sure no one duplicates work | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:17 |
| danwent | but I haven't heard anything from him implying he's working on it already | 21:17 |
| danwent | thx | 21:17 |
| ijw | #1042348 can be knocked off of the folsom milestone | 21:17 |
| danwent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/1039777 | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1039777 in quantum "update openstack-common for rc-1" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:17 |
| ijw | Oops, sorry | 21:17 |
| garyk | danwent: i can take this | 21:17 |
| danwent | garyk: cool, thanks. | 21:18 |
| danwent | ijw: can you clarify? | 21:18 |
| danwent | ijw: ah, yes, i'm planning on removing that one | 21:19 |
| danwent | after I respond to the last emails on the list | 21:19 |
| ijw | Beg pardon, I meant to press delete rather than enter ;) | 21:19 |
| danwent | ijw: np | 21:19 |
| danwent | so onto key reviews | 21:19 |
| danwent | salv-orlando, garyk, and I have been handling a lot of the L3 clean-up stuff, including devstack support | 21:20 |
| danwent | I think we're probably well-covered there for reviews, but just wanted to raise it as a key set of reviews. | 21:20 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11380/ | 21:20 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12298/ | 21:20 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12309/ | 21:20 |
| danwent | There also the quantum + nova security groups review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12173/6 | 21:21 |
| danwent | if your company has nova core devs, consider pinging them on this one. we had a review from vish earlier, so hopefully we can get him to rereview, but we'll need one more | 21:21 |
| danwent | finally, the quantum-debug test agent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11189/ | 21:21 |
| garyk | danwent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12002/ (i have rebased again :() | 21:21 |
| danwent | nati_ueno, markmcclain , amotoki | 21:22 |
| danwent | and I have been reviewing this | 21:22 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: what is current status? | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I believe goal is near. | 21:22 |
| danwent | markmcclain, amotoki ? | 21:22 |
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| amotoki | near goal. about test agent, just one thing needs to be fixed. | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | I think we're super close… need to test the lastest changeset | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | amotoki: I fixed your review already | 21:23 |
| danwent | ok. we need to merge this or drop it today, as thierry won't be happy about a BP still open :) | 21:23 |
| amotoki | nati_ueno: one more thing to be fixed. I just found it. | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | amotoki: markmcclain: ping me anytime :) Thank you for your review. | 21:24 |
| danwent | i will re-review once markmcclain and amotoki have had their concerns addressed | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | amotoki: Aga,, I got it! | 21:24 |
| danwent | ok, then I just wanted to highlight a few other small but important reviews: | 21:24 |
| rkukura | danwent: forgot we had meeting today, disappeared from my calendar - was I needed for anything? | 21:24 |
| danwent | rkukura: not yet :) | 21:24 |
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| danwent | garyk: will rereview l3-namespaces right after meeting | 21:24 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12284/ | 21:25 |
| danwent | this is the dhcp bug, should be simple review | 21:25 |
| garyk | danwent: tx | 21:25 |
| danwent | ovs port update issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12290/ | 21:25 |
| danwent | Any other high priority reviews that people feel they need to call attention to? | 21:25 |
| danwent | as I mentioned earlier, by tomorrow, our goal should be that pretty much all reviews are small bug fixes | 21:26 |
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| rkukura | I'll look at the ovs port update review | 21:26 |
| danwent | if not, then we have to consider if they are actually bug fixes | 21:26 |
| danwent | if in doubt, feel free to raise it to the wider team | 21:26 |
| danwent | rkukura: thx | 21:26 |
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| danwent | but I again want to thank everyone for their effort… we're really making a ton of progress. If we can shift that same effort to testing, bug-fixing, and documenting this week, I think we'll have a solid RC1 | 21:27 |
| danwent | #topic documentation | 21:27 |
| danwent | As I mentioned, i think it would be good if people targeted spending at least 30% of their quantum time this week on docs | 21:28 |
| danwent | salv-orlando did an extraordinary job on the API spec: https://github.com/openstack/netconn-api | 21:28 |
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| danwent | we're trying to figure out if there's an easy link to send out that always has the lastest built PDF and HTML | 21:28 |
| danwent | expect to see a note from salv-orlando soon | 21:28 |
| danwent | Gary and I are leading things on the admin doc side | 21:29 |
| danwent | expect to see emails later today with requests for your to write documentation | 21:29 |
| danwent | my plan is to a have a wiki page where people can contribute content, with a few of our coordinating on overall doc structure + outline | 21:29 |
| danwent | initial focus should be on what a user MUST do to successfully test basic use cases for RC1 | 21:30 |
| danwent | then we can branch out to richer functionality and advanced use cases | 21:30 |
| danwent | I want to call out what a great job rkukura did on creating content around OVS plugin config: http://wiki.openstack.org/ConfigureOpenvswitch | 21:30 |
| danwent | that's a great example of the type of content we're looking for. | 21:30 |
| danwent | also, if there's anyone who likes making diagrams, let me know | 21:31 |
| danwent | as our docs will need a few key ones | 21:31 |
| danwent | i'm also interesting in peoples thoughts on an open format for diagrams, so others can easily expand edit diagrams created by others. | 21:31 |
| nati_ueno | I prefer google docs | 21:31 |
| danwent | any comments/thoughts on docs? | 21:31 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: over wiki you mean? | 21:32 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: the collaborate tools are better, and formatting is easiere, I agree | 21:32 |
| danwent | what do others think? | 21:32 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Yes. especially for diaglams | 21:32 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: ah… that's a good idea... | 21:32 |
| danwent | open format, easy to know where the latest copy is. | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | we had this discussion earlier on. "Openess" requirement specified you did not need an account even if free for accessing documentation. | 21:33 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: this is more for generating the docs | 21:33 |
| danwent | not for accessing them. | 21:33 |
| danwent | or does the same rule apply? | 21:33 |
| nati_ueno | We can convert google docs to pdf | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | the whole docs or the diagrams only? | 21:34 |
| danwent | I think we have two decisions | 21:34 |
| nati_ueno | +2 for the whole docs +1 for the diagrams only | 21:34 |
| danwent | 1) where do we draft text/tables for documentation? On wiki, or in google docs. Final version will be in docbook. | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | The whole documentation I reckon should be in the docbook format, in order to be posted on the Openstack website together with all the other guide.s | 21:34 |
| danwent | 2) how do we create diagrams in a way that multiple people can edit them? | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: If you're talking just about drafting, I am happy with google docs. Wiki's a bit painful | 21:35 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: yes, we're just discussing drafting mechanisms. | 21:35 |
| danwent | everything will be published using standard mechanisms. | 21:35 |
| danwent | ok so are folks ok with using google docs for drafting rather than a wiki? | 21:35 |
| danwent | i agree that we will waste less time on stupid formatting issues | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | For diagrams we should ensure that whatever format we use it can be easily imported in the system from where the production docs are created. We don't want to do the work twice. | 21:36 |
| danwent | definitely. that likely means that our drafting tool can export as PDF or PNG/ | 21:36 |
| ijw | PNG is probably more useful. | 21:36 |
| danwent | Ok, so hearing no real issues, we'll move forward with the plan to put this content on google docs. | 21:37 |
| nati_ueno | In google doc, we can download diagrams as png. | 21:37 |
| danwent | in the case were we have things already drafted on the wiki, no need to rewrite | 21:37 |
| danwent | we can just put a link in the google docs. | 21:37 |
| danwent | then we will work with the openstack docs folks to get the content moved into docbook and the official repo. | 21:37 |
| danwent | ok, any other thoughts on docs? | 21:38 |
| danwent | remember, good docs will save us a ton of time answering questions on the ML :) | 21:38 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 21:38 |
| danwent | just a reminder to make sure you've updated the review days schedule for this week: http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/ReviewDays | 21:39 |
| danwent | also, i've sent an email to the ubuntu folks already, but I think their Folsom quantum packaging needs some real love: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quantum/2012.2~f3-0ubuntu1 | 21:39 |
| danwent | it doesn't look like its been updated since july (I may be missing something), and so likely doesn't support dhcp or l3 agents | 21:39 |
| danwent | a few people have also reported some pretty fundemental bugs with ubuntu packaging that don't seem to exist in trunk | 21:40 |
| danwent | #help looking for people to help update ubuntu quantum packaging for folsom | 21:40 |
| danwent | any other open discussion? | 21:40 |
| garyk | dansmith: fedora testday has been postponed a week to the 11th | 21:40 |
| danwent | garyk: actually probably better timing for us. that way you can basically use the RC1 | 21:41 |
| garyk | danwent: agreed | 21:41 |
| rkukura | please chime in on email thread on default mechanism for tenant networks with openvswitch on openstack-dev | 21:41 |
| danwent | ok, thanks folks! | 21:42 |
| danwent | keep up the great work, let's try to hit the goals mentioned above for the tuesday meeting | 21:42 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 21:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 3 21:42:47 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum/2012/quantum.2012-09-03-21.01.html | 21:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum/2012/quantum.2012-09-03-21.01.txt | 21:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum/2012/quantum.2012-09-03-21.01.log.html | 21:42 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: are you good on bugs? | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Yes. I read the thread brifly | 21:43 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: ok, great. If you're looking for other items to bite off, let me know, but right now it sounds like you have a few items to look at. | 21:43 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: and just keep an eye on the list of RC1 bugs, as we'll file more as we test more. | 21:43 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Absolutely, which one do you want to give me? | 21:44 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: also, one question. currently there doesn't seem to be a wayt o set the default DNS server that should be used for a deployment | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Ah default DNS is None. So we should change the spec | 21:44 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: please look at potential issues around host_routes first. that seems top priority. | 21:44 |
| danwent | otherwise, I have a few things I could assign to you. don't want you getting bored :P | 21:45 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: yeah, was trying to figure out best way to handle that. | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | danwent: there is a default way to set dns server | 21:45 |
| zhuadl | Dan: just a reminder, Gliffy is a good online collaboration tools for diagram. http://www.gliffy.com/ | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | dnsmasq_dns_server | 21:45 |
| danwent | markmcclain: does that show up in the API? | 21:46 |
| danwent | or will it just show up as empty in API, but VM will get DNS server anyway? | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | no that's a config option | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | because some providers want to restrict where DNS queries go | 21:46 |
| danwent | zhuadl: interesting… what are advantages to this over google docs? i'm not very familiar with either? | 21:46 |
| danwent | right now i'd probably prefer just to keep with one tool, being google docs | 21:47 |
| danwent | markmcclain: so in some cases the dnsnameservers set by the tenant in the API are ignored? | 21:47 |
| nati_ueno | I converted spec to google doc. Is this works? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eD27gWdFDNIBwP995dwFke0zQOW5FsrnTl1Ta1gxUpo/edit | 21:48 |
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| nati_ueno | Ah dnsmasq_dns_server is not used now. | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | danwent: sorry they're layered | 21:48 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: actually, we already have API spec in docbook | 21:48 |
| danwent | we only need to use google docs for admin content | 21:48 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it. | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | the dhcp server will supply dns servers in this order | 21:49 |
| danwent | since doing that all via reviews and merges would be a huge pain when there are tons of changes. | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | 1) subnet options 2) dnsmasq_dns_server 3) /etc/resolv.conf of Quantum host | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: it looks great, but the api spec is fairly mature and in openstack/netconn-api trunk at the moment. Fixes and updates might be posted as patches against this repo. | 21:49 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: yup | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | is the layering breaking down? | 21:50 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: OK I found typo in wiki page, I'll check openstack/netconn-api also | 21:50 |
| danwent | markmcclain: i'm curious about the benefits of this vs. just letting the provider specify an API default, and then letting them use policy to determine whether a tenant can tweak it. What are the relative advantages/disadvantages in your mind? | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | Sure. There will be plenty of typos… perhaps have a good look and then post a bigger patch (and add me as a reviewer) | 21:51 |
| danwent | also, not critical that we decide this at the meeting, but it was something that I wanted to make sure we dicuss before RC1 | 21:51 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: I got it | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | danwent: yeah.. being more explict would be better.. should add change the flag to reflect it | 21:53 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: what do you mean by api default? A value that is used for populating dns_namservers when it's not specified? | 21:54 |
| danwent | markmcclain, nati_ueno: ok, i'm going to file a bug on this, so we can capture discussion there. we can reject bug as invalid if we don't want to chang antyhing | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | also should prob tweak dnsmasq call to ignore /etc/resolv.conf | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | the prev behavior came from nova | 21:54 |
| danwent | markmcclain: on resolve.conf… yeah, probably. seems unexpected | 21:54 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: That's bug! | 21:54 |
| danwent | ok, i will file something, assign it to mark. we can discuss what if anything needs to change, and who can do it. sound reasonable? | 21:55 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: It should be high or critical bug, IMO | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | sounds good to me. | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | sounds good to me | 21:55 |
| nati_ueno | sounds good | 21:55 |
| danwent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/1045537 | 21:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1045537 in quantum "agree on and fix DNS server provided by DHCP if non provided by API" [High,Confirmed] | 21:57 |
| danwent | ok, talk to you all later! | 21:58 |
| zhuadl | dan: I just compared diagram tools b/w google docs and gliffy. the former is very simple to use. the latter is much more fancy. | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | later | 21:59 |
| nati_ueno | k TTYL! | 21:59 |
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