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| mestery | Hey @markvoelker: o/ | 20:56 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 20:57 |
| mestery | ha! | 20:57 |
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| markvoelker | mestery: waving is about all I can manage at the moment...9 month old trying to help me type on the iPad. =) | 20:59 |
| mestery | markvoelker: Awesome! And tricky. At the same time. ;) | 20:59 |
| mestery | Anyone else enjoy seeing VMW execs mention OpenStack during the VMworld keynote today? :) | 21:00 |
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| markvoelker | Let's just say he is apparently very enthusiastic about quantum. =) | 21:00 |
| markvoelker | Yep, caught a bit of that between coding and meetings today | 21:01 |
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| zhuadl | hello | 21:01 |
| danwent | hi folks | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
| danwent | sorry, had some issues connecting to IRC | 21:01 |
| jrd-redhat | Yo | 21:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:02 |
| garyk | hi | 21:02 |
| danwent | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | danwent: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:02 |
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| danwent | #startmeeting Quantum Team Meeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 27 21:02:28 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quantum_team_meeting' | 21:02 |
| danwent | huh.. someone updated meetbot :) | 21:02 |
| zhuadl | cool! | 21:02 |
| danwent | agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| danwent | ok, so this won't be a fun meeting, as we really need to take an axe to things for the Folsom release | 21:03 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 21:03 |
| danwent | the key thing to remember is that those features can still get into grizzly | 21:03 |
| garyk | and it is late in the evening :) | 21:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:03 |
| danwent | we just need to focus on tightening up existing functionality, and documenting it. | 21:03 |
| danwent | otherwise, quantum as a whole will not be useful | 21:04 |
| danwent | #topic announcements | 21:04 |
| danwent | #info Quantum Folsom RC1 targeted for 9/10. Two short weeks out. | 21:04 |
| danwent | given that we're behind, we decided to move the RC1 date back, but this does not mean exstra time to add new stuff | 21:04 |
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| * cdub_ checks agenda | 21:04 | |
| danwent | we'll need the time for bug fixes and documentation | 21:04 |
| Salv-away | Hi everyone! | 21:04 |
| amotoki | danwent: meetingbot update https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg16053.html | 21:05 |
| danwent | amotoki: ah, no time to read all those emails :)( | 21:05 |
| danwent | :) | 21:05 |
| amotoki | just info. | 21:05 |
| danwent | #info python-quantumclient will also be following a feature-freeze policy | 21:05 |
| danwent | the motivation for this is that the clientlib is used heavily by the main codebase, not just the CLI, so we want to feature-freeze that as well, even though its not strictly required by openstack | 21:06 |
| danwent | amotoki: yup, thanks | 21:06 |
| danwent | #topic Folsom-RC1 | 21:06 |
| danwent | #info F-RC1 status https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:07 |
| danwent | we really need the full attention of all core devs over these next two weeks | 21:07 |
| danwent | this is crunch time, only happens twice a year | 21:07 |
| garyk | how about we do a table like last time - 2 per patch? | 21:07 |
| danwent | bug fixes, reviews of bug-fixes, and docs | 21:07 |
| danwent | garyk: i'm open to all ideas | 21:08 |
| danwent | one tricky thing now is that we shouldn't have ANY large patches | 21:08 |
| danwent | so really we should have many small patches | 21:08 |
| danwent | which makes the overhead of a list higher | 21:08 |
| danwent | but if people like having the list, I'm cool with it. | 21:08 |
| garyk | danwent: ok. maybe we should have at least 2 reviewers a day? | 21:08 |
| danwent | garyk: I like that idea. | 21:09 |
| cdub_ | 1 list, lots of things...amortizes :) | 21:09 |
| danwent | and the nice thing is that many of these changes should be small, meaning the likelhood of them requiring many re-reviews is lower | 21:09 |
| danwent | cdub_: overhead is per entry added to the list :) | 21:09 |
| danwent | or at least the over head i was talking about | 21:10 |
| danwent | Salv-away or garyk, do one of you want to update the reviewdays page to have two entries per day for the next two weeks? | 21:10 |
| cdub_ | heh | 21:10 |
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| garyk | danwent: i'll update it (in the morning) | 21:11 |
| danwent | Ok, so we REALLY need to make sure we're spending core dev resources well, so here are some RC rules I'm proposing | 21:11 |
| danwent | garyk: thx | 21:11 |
| danwent | garyk: I may do it myself then, so we can get people signed up today | 21:11 |
| danwent | core devs: only bother to look at reviews that are for a bp/bug that is assigned to RC1 | 21:11 |
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| danwent | everyone: please do not even propose branches to gerrit if they are not targeted for RC1 | 21:12 |
| danwent | only core devs can assign a bug to RC1. if you aren't a core dev, file it, and make sure a core dev knows about it, either directly, or by emailing the ML | 21:13 |
| danwent | does that seem reasonable? | 21:13 |
| danwent | again, my goal is to focus resources on things that are valuable community wide, and make sure core devs time is spent well. | 21:13 |
| danwent | any concerns or suggestions on these rules? | 21:14 |
| garyk | danwent: sounds good. | 21:14 |
| danwent | I feel like we're at risk for the Folsom release, so I'm erring on the side of clamping things down pretty tightly | 21:14 |
| mestery | danwent: I guess bug triage becomes quite important here if non-core devs open bugs. | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | seems reasonable | 21:14 |
| danwent | mestery: agreed. I did a full triage last night. | 21:14 |
| mestery | danwent: You rock. :) | 21:14 |
| danwent | I wonder if we should schedule a bug triage frequently though over the next two weeks. | 21:15 |
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| danwent | #todo #danwent as part of review days, include bug triage for all bugs filed the day before | 21:15 |
| mestery | danwent: That's not a bad idea. | 21:15 |
| garyk | +1 | 21:15 |
| danwent | mestery: thanks for mentioning that. | 21:15 |
| cdub_ | hmm, fedora test day is going to be 9/4, if we can get some good test cases written (and a snapshot package built) we might be able to get some decent test cycles there | 21:16 |
| danwent | ok, before we move on, want to make sure people are on the same page about this. i'll send a not to the lsit about it. | 21:16 |
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| danwent | cdub_: yeah, garyk mentioned that. will be very valuable. | 21:16 |
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| * markvoelker is on the page | 21:16 | |
| danwent | :) | 21:16 |
| danwent | ok, now to the even less fun part.... | 21:16 |
| danwent | My feeling is that we really need to free up core dev cycles to focus on testing, bug fixes, bug fix reviews, and docs. | 21:17 |
| danwent | so we really need to take an axe to anything that isn't progressing well. | 21:17 |
| danwent | its not that any particular feature couldn't be squeezed in if we had to, but the sum of all such features is way to much. | 21:17 |
| danwent | so on that list for me are: | 21:17 |
| danwent | xml v2 support | 21:18 |
| danwent | multi-host dhcp | 21:18 |
| danwent | per-port host routes | 21:18 |
| danwent | nova metadata service + overlapping IPs | 21:18 |
| danwent | nova proxy for floating ips | 21:18 |
| danwent | all of those items are things I'd love to have in Folsom, but they aren't moving forward from a review perspective, so I think we need to drop them. | 21:18 |
| danwent | of course, I know each of these features is someone's pet feature | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | per-port host routes should be in RC1 because it impact quantum v2 api | 21:19 |
| danwent | but I think we need a strong majority of the quantum team behind the feature for us to keep moving forward | 21:19 |
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| danwent | nati_ueno: I suspect we may need to amend the API spec here if the spec does not match the code | 21:20 |
| danwent | per-port host routes where kind of a grey area that we were hoping to squeeze in. | 21:20 |
| danwent | but I just don't see it moving forward, and the reality is that making sure Quantum as a whole is stable and well documented just strikes me as vastly more important | 21:20 |
| garyk | nati_ueno: i feel that we still have a lot of work to do here - the initial patch does not include the dhcp support and we need to do test ccycles | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: dhcp part is very small. Just 5-10 line | 21:21 |
| danwent | Since we have a big chunk of the team here, I wanted to see if there was anything on this list that the team as a whole things we need to make a priority | 21:21 |
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| danwent | nati_ueno: as I said, we could nit-pick about any given feature. the reality is that the deadline is well past for Folsom features. | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I'll abandon multi-host. But per-port host looks very important | 21:22 |
| danwent | what do other people think about per-port host routes? | 21:22 |
| danwent | like I said, pretty much every one of those features on the list is something I would like | 21:23 |
| garyk | danwent: nati_ueno can you guys give a explanation of the feature so that all can understand better | 21:23 |
| danwent | we just need to make some tough choices to insure overall quality | 21:23 |
| danwent | right now, the routes that a VM will get via DHCP are defined on a per-subnet basis | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: This is functionality to set unique host_route per hosts | 21:23 |
| jrd-redhat | What's the pain level associated with omitting per-port host routes? | 21:23 |
| danwent | one might want to override the subnet policy on a per-port basis | 21:23 |
| danwent | Use cases for this exist, but are not the common case, in my experience. | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | seems like this could easily be worked around with chef or another config mgt tool | 21:25 |
| garyk | danwent: i am in favor of quality and stability. how about priotitixing this as high for g1? | 21:25 |
| cdub_ | what about api impact? | 21:25 |
| zhuadl | is it an essential feature for RC1? | 21:25 |
| danwent | Salv-away_: I believe the API currently implements the per-subnet model only | 21:25 |
| danwent | Salv-away_: can you confirm? | 21:25 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: It is per-subnet only | 21:25 |
| danwent | my bias is quality and stability as well. | 21:26 |
| danwent | Ok, I am not hearing strong enough support for any of these items. | 21:26 |
| danwent | So let's move on. | 21:26 |
| danwent | I wanted to talk about the status of a few items that are still live, at least for a few more days | 21:26 |
| danwent | jrd-redhat: rootwrap | 21:26 |
| Salv-away_ | Api does not implement per port routes | 21:27 |
| jrd-redhat | Yes! | 21:27 |
| danwent | Salv-away_: thanks, that's what I thought. | 21:27 |
| jrd-redhat | danwent you want update? | 21:27 |
| danwent | jrd-redhat: yes please. I did a review on friday. I think we're in good shape | 21:27 |
| jrd-redhat | I think so too. Will feel more confident with more review, because I've been wrong before. | 21:27 |
| jrd-redhat | But I believe it's ready to go. | 21:27 |
| garyk | jrd-redhat: i have reviewed and tested with ovs + l3 agent and it looks good | 21:28 |
| garyk | jrd-redhat: + dhcp agent | 21:28 |
| danwent | Ok, for rootrwap, I'm going to say it needs to be merged by Thursday, or it doesn't make it. Is that OK? | 21:28 |
| amotoki | I got it work with ovs + dhcp + l3 too. | 21:28 |
| danwent | note, this is merged, not under review | 21:28 |
| cdub_ | danwent: just make sure it gets on the review list (or the non-list ;) | 21:28 |
| jrd-redhat | danwent sure, as far as I'm concerned I'm on borrowed time already, as it took longwer than I expected. | 21:29 |
| danwent | cdub_: garyk, how about you and I commit to getting that one merged? | 21:29 |
| jrd-redhat | My understanding is if I can get another positive review from a core dev, then we're done, right? | 21:29 |
| danwent | jrd-redhat: yes, and that can probably be me, I just need to re-review | 21:29 |
| garyk | danwent: sure | 21:29 |
| jrd-redhat | Ok. THanks for looking it over. | 21:29 |
| danwent | rkukura: here? | 21:30 |
| rkukura | yes | 21:30 |
| danwent | provider networks branch | 21:30 |
| danwent | i'm pretty worried here | 21:30 |
| rkukura | it needs reviews | 21:30 |
| danwent | Salv-away_: you are reviewing? | 21:30 |
| rkukura | working fine in my multi-node tests of flat, vlan, and tunnel networks | 21:30 |
| danwent | along with arosen? | 21:30 |
| danwent | rkukura: ok, I think some reviewers had trouble getting it working, which this late in the game worries me. | 21:30 |
| danwent | but I think they are working with you on this, perhaps it was a misconfig | 21:31 |
| garyk | danwent: rkukura ; i am also looking at it. hopefully tomorrow i'll have some more input | 21:31 |
| danwent | Ok, are you guys ok with a thursday drop-dead date? | 21:31 |
| danwent | merged or its not int? | 21:31 |
| danwent | in? | 21:31 |
| rkukura | the most recent devstack patch helps get it configed | 21:31 |
| danwent | rkukura: ok, that's still under review in devstack? | 21:31 |
| rkukura | I've done all I can - it really needs to reviews | 21:31 |
| rkukura | yes the devstack update is under review - they go together | 21:32 |
| danwent | #todo #danwent identify two core devs for review of provider nets. | 21:32 |
| cdub_ | danwent: iiuc, it's pretty important for feature parity, so needs proper review attention | 21:32 |
| danwent | ok, well, we have to make deicsions we're not happy with, so I'm going to stick a thursday drop-dead on this. | 21:32 |
| danwent | cdub_: I agree, that's why its still alive at all :) | 21:32 |
| cdub_ | heh, ok ;) | 21:32 |
| danwent | ok, final FFE, test agent | 21:33 |
| rkukura | I'm OK with Thursday iff I get the comments tomorrow at latest | 21:33 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: where does this stand | 21:33 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I'm writing unit tests. I'll push it to review in Today | 21:33 |
| danwent | rkukura: ok, i'm going to do my best to wrestle up core dev resources on this, and will review it myself if needed. | 21:33 |
| rkukura | thx | 21:33 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: ok, thanks. this test agent is important for devstack gating, and since we want the gating working on Folsom, its important that this agent makes it into folsom | 21:34 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: where are we review-wise? | 21:34 |
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| danwent | i know I was one core reviewer | 21:34 |
| danwent | did we have another already (and I hopes it not garyk… he's already reviewing a lot) | 21:35 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: What's meaing of review-wise? | 21:35 |
| danwent | sorry, just trying to figure out if there's another core dev actively reviewing already | 21:35 |
| danwent | it seems there is not | 21:35 |
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| danwent | (from looking at the review) | 21:35 |
| danwent | anyone want to step forward here? | 21:35 |
| danwent | otherwise, I guess this will have to drop as well. | 21:36 |
| garyk | danwent: i can review but it will come at the expense of documentation | 21:36 |
| danwent | garyk: you're on too many other key reviews, and I need you on docs, so I'd prefer not | 21:36 |
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| garyk | danwent: ok | 21:36 |
| danwent | anyone other than salvatore or garyk? | 21:36 |
| rkukura | I can take a look | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | I can take look too | 21:37 |
| danwent | ok, thanks guys. I'd probably prefer markmcclain, at least until the provider nets stuff is done, as rkukura, that will have to be your primary focus | 21:37 |
| danwent | but if you want to review this as well, that's fantastic | 21:37 |
| danwent | Ok. So the last topic is docs | 21:38 |
| danwent | we haven't made progress on docs at all this past week, which is part of the reason I'm feeling we're so behind. | 21:38 |
| danwent | ideally, I think our team would be spending time split between testing, bugfix/review, and docs | 21:38 |
| danwent | garyk is going to help me on the admin docs side | 21:38 |
| danwent | Salvatore isn't here, but I think he has some API docs for review | 21:39 |
| danwent | #todo #danwent contact #salv-orlando about sending out API spec link | 21:39 |
| danwent | garyk and I will be working on an outline for admin docs | 21:39 |
| danwent | then we will ask certain people to help write the docs for features that they added. | 21:39 |
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| danwent | we'll also have to work closely with annegentle and the docs team, as quantum info will be going into a doc that is about all of openstack networking, including nova-network-ing | 21:40 |
| danwent | we really need to focus on docs, as releasing an RC without docs is not very useful for people to test | 21:40 |
| danwent | cdub_, rkukura , garyk are things looking good for fedora packaging? | 21:41 |
| cdub_ | danwent: what kind of help do hou need? | 21:41 |
| danwent | cdub_: on the docs? | 21:41 |
| cdub_ | *nod* | 21:41 |
| danwent | mainly writing content and creating diagrams | 21:41 |
| rkukura | danwent: we've got work to do, and hope to make progress this week | 21:41 |
| danwent | documenting install, basic use cases, advanced use cases, config options, etc. | 21:41 |
| danwent | med_: you around? | 21:42 |
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| danwent | rkukura: ok, sounds like you'll target having packages by Sept. 4th though, for the fedora testing day? | 21:42 |
| danwent | anyone from ubuntu or other distros listening in? | 21:42 |
| mnewby | danwent: Oy, meant to be here earlier :( | 21:42 |
| danwent | mnewby: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:42 |
| mnewby | danwent: I know, apologies. | 21:43 |
| danwent | mnewby: can fill in details offline later | 21:43 |
| mnewby | danwent: danke | 21:43 |
| danwent | #todo #danwent contact ubuntu team about Folsom packaging for Quantum | 21:43 |
| danwent | Oh, one other key topic I forgot | 21:43 |
| danwent | devstack gating | 21:43 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: gating is currently blocked due to a missing dependency? | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: It looks yes. netaddr looks not installed | 21:44 |
| danwent | we should file a critical bug on that | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: yes | 21:44 |
| danwent | I noticed that quantum does not even seem to have a file in file/apt directory of devstack | 21:44 |
| danwent | #todo nati_ueno danwent make sure there's a devstack gating bug filed | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I can't figure out why it was working. | 21:45 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: python-netaddr is installed by nova | 21:45 |
| danwent | so likely it was picking it up from there | 21:45 |
| danwent | anyway, let's discuss on the bug | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Ah I got it | 21:45 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 21:45 |
| danwent | anything else to talk about? | 21:46 |
| cdub_ | random...anybody in San Diego this week for LinuxCon/CloudOpen/Plumbers? | 21:46 |
| danwent | remember, if you're a core dev, you really need to be putting cycles in in these next two weeks | 21:46 |
| danwent | in terms of testing, docs, and reviews. | 21:46 |
| nati_ueno | Should I avandon patches which is not in RC1 now? | 21:47 |
| nati_ueno | or keep the review request until G starts? | 21:47 |
| danwent | nati_ueno: you mean those that are already on gerrit? I'm fine if you just -2 them with a note saying they should not be looked at until the RC drops and master opens for grizzly | 21:47 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I got it | 21:47 |
| mnewby | danwent: Have cycles to spare, will be focusing on reviewing unless something else has priority. | 21:47 |
| danwent | core devs can know to not look at patches that have a -2 | 21:47 |
| danwent | mnewby: great. that will be very helpful, as we have a backlog | 21:48 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: It looks I can't -2 | 21:48 |
| danwent | hehe, my bad. | 21:48 |
| mnewby | danwent: will also be working on tempest tests for quantum. need tempest support for internal deliverable. will coordinate with you on that. | 21:48 |
| danwent | ok, i will do it for you. I will be doing this for all non RC1 patches later today anyway | 21:48 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: Thanks | 21:48 |
| danwent | mnewby: that would be REALLY cool. | 21:48 |
| danwent | mnewby: nati_ueno is working on some devstack tests, so would be good to coordinate with him about coverage | 21:49 |
| garyk | guys, i am really beat i am going to crash. good night | 21:49 |
| danwent | mnewby: from talking to CI team, it seems like gating checks are supposed to move to all tempest in the future | 21:49 |
| danwent | garyk: ok, get some rest :) | 21:49 |
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| danwent | mnewby: so if there is a question of where effort is best placed, its probably tempest | 21:50 |
| mnewby | danwent: roger that. the exercise tests and tempest would seem to have the same aim. | 21:50 |
| danwent | ok, any other open discussion? | 21:50 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: Good night | 21:50 |
| mnewby | garyk: 'nite! | 21:50 |
| danwent | mnewby: yes, goal is to make exercies scripts only simple tutorials, not real tests. | 21:50 |
| med_ | danwent, I'm around now. | 21:50 |
| danwent | ok, anything else before we can all say good night/afternoon/morning? | 21:50 |
| danwent | med_: ok, let's chat after meeting | 21:50 |
| med_ | sure. | 21:50 |
| danwent | ok, thanks folks. remember, two key weeks to folsom RC1 for quantum :) | 21:51 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 27 21:51:11 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_team_meeting/2012/quantum_team_meeting.2012-08-27-21.02.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_team_meeting/2012/quantum_team_meeting.2012-08-27-21.02.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_team_meeting/2012/quantum_team_meeting.2012-08-27-21.02.log.html | 21:51 |
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| markvoelker | 'Night all | 21:51 |
| danwent | med_: wanted to check about timelines for when ubuntu would be creating packages for Folsom Quantum | 21:51 |
| danwent | once RC is out, I want people testing with distro packages, not just using devstack, so we're actually testing what users will use. | 21:51 |
| med_ | danwent, I'll check with chuck and get back to you. | 21:52 |
| med_ | (poking him now) | 21:52 |
| mnewby | danwent: hopefully tempest can help! | 21:52 |
| danwent | med_: on a related note, I saw that OVS version for 12.10 is still 1.4.x. That should definitely be updated to a newer version for 12.10… 1.7 is the latest OVs | 21:52 |
| danwent | do you know who I talk to about that? | 21:52 |
| med_ | not sure but I can start poking up that tree as well. | 21:53 |
| danwent | mnewby: yeah, there's actually some initial work for quantum in tempest under review | 21:53 |
| danwent | mnewby: let me find the link and forward it you you (unless you've seen it already) | 21:53 |
| nati_ueno | danwent: I reported devstack bug. Please set it as crital https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1042446 | 21:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1042446 in devstack "Missing file/apt for quanutm" [Undecided,New] | 21:53 |
| danwent | med_: ok, thanks. can you send me an email when you know more? | 21:53 |
| cdub_ | danwent: 1.4.x is LTS vs 1.7 which (if anything like 1.5) is STS ;) | 21:54 |
| med_ | danwent, absolutely. | 21:54 |
| cdub_ | danwent: have better details or compelling reason to change? | 21:54 |
| mnewby | danwent: I saw that some initial stuff was committed (after being initially abandoned) in June. More, then? | 21:54 |
| danwent | mnewby: ah, perhaps it merged recently. was it from IBM? | 21:54 |
| mnewby | danwent: not sure. It is really minimal, though. | 21:55 |
| danwent | cdub_: lost my weekend to some issue related to using floating ips with older versions of OVS | 21:55 |
| cdub_ | danwent: i.e. looking at 1.7 in f18, but not necessarily updating f16/f17 | 21:55 |
| danwent | I have a request into the team to figure out exactly what version we need | 21:55 |
| danwent | but I know 1.7.0 works | 21:55 |
| cdub_ | danwent: if you can provide details that would really help | 21:55 |
| danwent | cdub_: will keep you in the loop once I hear back from them. | 21:56 |
| cdub_ | danwent: because we have no real compelling reason to move from stable to unstable atm | 21:56 |
| cdub_ | danwent: cool, tahnks! | 21:56 |
| med_ | danwent, zul says he's waiting on rootwrap (which sounds like it is still "in" based on scrollback.) | 21:56 |
| danwent | cdub_, med_ : will also talk to OVS team about trying to align stable release with release cadence of distros | 21:56 |
| med_ | EXCELLENT. | 21:56 |
| danwent | cdub_: fedora releases are when exactly? | 21:57 |
| cdub_ | 6mos, roughly spring and fall | 21:57 |
| danwent | cdub_: ok… my thinking is maybe i'll try to get them to do a new LTS around each openstack release | 21:57 |
| danwent | as that seems to align with how a lot of people will be consuming OVS | 21:58 |
| cdub_ | danwent: also defining 'L' would be useful | 21:58 |
| danwent | ok, will send mail both on the specific L3 issue, and on the issue of OVS LTS more generally. | 21:58 |
| danwent | cdub_: ack | 21:58 |
| danwent | cdub_: what are you folks looking for in terms of L? | 21:58 |
| danwent | just for me to have a ballpark? | 21:58 |
| danwent | med_: ubuntu LTS is 2 years? | 21:59 |
| cdub_ | the number is less critical than knwoing the plan at this point | 21:59 |
| med_ | yes, but we are already doing backports of OpenStack to the LTS | 21:59 |
| med_ | danwent, we do releases though every 6 mo.s | 21:59 |
| med_ | so Quantal happens just after Folsom. | 21:59 |
| med_ | and we're already in FF. | 21:59 |
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| danwent | med_: yup | 21:59 |
| danwent | ok, thanks guys. ttyl | 22:00 |
| med_ | I'm not sure what the implications are for the new core in the LTS. Presumably brings in newer dependencies as well. | 22:00 |
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| danwent | med_: don't think so, but i'll check | 22:01 |
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