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annegentle | whoops. got my UTC mixed up, any one around for the Doc / Web team meeting? | 14:21 |
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annegentle | shall I go ahead for the sake of having notes? | 14:23 |
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danwent | come on markvoelker what are you waiting for? don't you want to win? :P | 20:56 |
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salv-orlando | aloha | 20:57 |
SumitNaiksatam | hi All | 20:57 |
danwent | :) | 20:57 |
marktvoelker | o/ | 20:57 |
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danwent | too slow markvoelker ! | 20:57 |
marktvoelker | /me still claims first wave | 20:57 |
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danwent | haha | 20:57 |
markmcclain | hi | 20:57 |
PotHix | o/ | 20:58 |
* marktvoelker also blames the stomach bug....and just for good measure, @mestery too | 20:58 | |
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danwent | yeah, always good to blame kyle | 20:58 |
* mestery arrives from his previous meeting in a daze ... | 20:59 | |
marktvoelker | It's a solid strategy. =p | 20:59 |
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danwent | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 13 21:00:11 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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edgarmagana | hello all | 21:00 |
danwent | ok, lots to do, not time to waste | 21:00 |
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danwent | #link agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:00 |
danwent | a coupel of announcments | 21:00 |
rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
shivh | hi | 21:01 |
danwent | #info Quantum support in horizon merged last night. Huge achievement, great work folks. | 21:01 |
mestery | Yay! | 21:01 |
danwent | #info we're about to release a version of the python-quantum library that is compatible with API v2 | 21:01 |
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ncode | hi | 21:01 |
garyk | hi | 21:01 |
danwent | #info python-quantumclient version will be "2.0" as well, and we can rerelease as needed, it is not tied to main openstack milestones | 21:02 |
danwent | hi folks | 21:02 |
danwent | Ok, now on to Folsom-3 | 21:02 |
danwent | #topic folsom-3 | 21:02 |
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danwent | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:02 |
danwent | first off, I'd like to thank everyone who put some extreme hours of work in over the weekend | 21:02 |
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gongys | hi | 21:02 |
danwent | we're in a lot better shape going into this week than I would have expected. .. lot's of late night reviews + coding. so great work everyone. | 21:03 |
danwent | All F-3 features need to be merged by end-of-day on Tuesday | 21:03 |
danwent | that will be pacific time | 21:03 |
rkukura | midnight? | 21:03 |
danwent | rkukura: if you want to be up at midnight pacific time, i'll be up to approve :) | 21:03 |
danwent | rkukura: realistically, its when ttx wakes up in europe the next day, but yeah, let's say midnight | 21:04 |
gongys | that is my midday. | 21:04 |
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salv-orlando | I can fly to Paris and take tax out for the night tomorrow | 21:04 |
salv-orlando | ttx | 21:04 |
danwent | salv-orlando: haha | 21:04 |
zhuadl | hello | 21:04 |
danwent | if you're no longer coding or reviewing for F-3, please shift your focus to testing | 21:04 |
danwent | the set of feature freeze exceptions for items that don't land by tuesday midnight will be very limited. | 21:05 |
danwent | its not just a matter of whether your code is disruptive, its also a matter of taking developer and reviewer time away from bug fixing, writing docs, etc. | 21:05 |
danwent | ok, so any general questions on F-3 before we go into specific reviews? | 21:06 |
danwent | first up: rkukura, provider networks | 21:06 |
danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10938/ is for LB, which we think is about ready to merge | 21:06 |
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danwent | a second branch with OVS support is due tomorrow? | 21:06 |
rkukura | yes, working on that now | 21:06 |
rkukura | getting phase 2 in today would really help | 21:07 |
danwent | ok… i'm mentally marking that as one that may go down to the wire. | 21:07 |
danwent | rkukura: I think we'll be able to. was too busy creating meeting agenda to review it after my doctor's appt | 21:07 |
rkukura | ok | 21:07 |
danwent | next up: L3 + Floating Ips | 21:07 |
edgarmagana | rkukura: do you need the LB merged first? | 21:07 |
danwent | this is fully functional and up for review | 21:07 |
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danwent | but is still in WIP, since we're missing unit tests for the agent, and for the CLI. | 21:08 |
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danwent | i'm hoping to get those unit tests in place by tomorrow morning, but we should be able to do a review of the rest of the code already. | 21:08 |
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danwent | arosen and mnewby own that review | 21:08 |
danwent | I've also sliced off a very simple test review that anyone coudl do: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11259/ | 21:08 |
rkukura | edgarmagana: a lot of LB is getting cloned into OVS, so getting issues resolved now is key. Also, the constant rebasing is killing me. | 21:08 |
danwent | a note on the L3 + floating ips: non-polling won't make it for F-3. its something we can consider for a ffe | 21:09 |
danwent | is simon here to talk about his branch? | 21:09 |
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danwent | work to implement host-routes + dnsnameservers in db-base-plugin | 21:10 |
danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10791/ | 21:10 |
danwent | salv, aaron, i think this is basically ready to be approved. He just needed to rebase? | 21:10 |
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salv-orlando | yes | 21:10 |
danwent | ok, let's get that in asap | 21:10 |
danwent | markmcclain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10997/ dhcp non-polling | 21:10 |
danwent | looks like garyk is ok with this branch | 21:11 |
danwent | (or at least a previous version of it) | 21:11 |
SumitNaiksatam | I am also looking at it | 21:11 |
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garyk | danwent: yes. just have a few more files to review. it is looking good | 21:11 |
danwent | SumitNaiksatam: yup, thanks. | 21:11 |
markmcclain | cool.. the constant rebasing has been killing me too | 21:11 |
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danwent | ok… so i'm optimistic that we'll get that in by later today. | 21:11 |
SumitNaiksatam | should have the review in a bit | 21:11 |
danwent | yeah, rebase hell is pretty much universal here. | 21:11 |
danwent | gongys: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10484/ | 21:12 |
danwent | per-tenant API quotas. | 21:12 |
danwent | gongys: let's chat after the main irc meeting to sort out the design issue we've been discussin in the review | 21:12 |
gongys | ok | 21:12 |
danwent | nati_uen_: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/test-agent,n,z | 21:13 |
nati_uen_ | Hi | 21:13 |
danwent | this is somewhat new, but its related to our devstack gating, which is very important | 21:13 |
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danwent | basically, we need some smarter logic for devstack exercise scripts to be able to ping VMs now that we use namespaces (though I guess we could also just have devstack disable namespaces, now that arosen's patch landed) | 21:14 |
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danwent | here are both patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/test-agent,n,z | 21:14 |
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danwent | once we get our F-3 features in, it will be very important for us to get devstack gating working, as its a requirement for us to be a "core" project in Folsom | 21:14 |
danwent | nati_uen_: if we don't get the test-agent in by tuesday, I think we could ffe it. | 21:15 |
danwent | multi-host dhcp: this one causes me more concern: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-multihost-dhcp | 21:15 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: OK I got it | 21:15 |
danwent | seems like design is still up in the air. unlikely to land for F-3 | 21:15 |
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danwent | this is pretty important though, and is applicable across a wide number of people, so I'd consider an ffe for it. | 21:16 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: I think we agreed the design | 21:16 |
garyk | what is ffe? | 21:16 |
danwent | nati_uen_: on paper, yes :) always a slightly different thing to see if both people where thinking about the same design when it becomes code | 21:16 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: So at least we can request review until Thursday | 21:16 |
danwent | garyk: sorry, "feature freeze exception" | 21:16 |
danwent | ffe | 21:16 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: I agree | 21:17 |
garyk | danwent: thanks | 21:17 |
danwent | defines what other than a pure bugfix can go in after tuesday night | 21:17 |
danwent | general criteria are 1) risk of disruption 2) value to the community | 21:17 |
danwent | ok, those are all of the community critical reviews I was tracking | 21:18 |
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danwent | there are some other items under review… if they are important to you, please get core devs to be aware and review thme. | 21:18 |
danwent | nati_uen_: we'll talk about device_owner stuff below | 21:18 |
danwent | anything missing? | 21:18 |
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danwent | we'll talk about xml and rootwrap in the discussion section | 21:19 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: Host route fixing should be in F | 21:19 |
danwent | nati_uen_: are you talking about simon's patch? or something beyond that? | 21:19 |
danwent | btw, is there a bug tracking making dhcp inject those values? | 21:19 |
danwent | that is something we'll have to look at for an ffe. | 21:19 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: Yes it is | 21:19 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: My point is dhcp injection. | 21:20 |
danwent | nati_uen_: ok, yes, we discussed it above then. | 21:20 |
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danwent | nati_uen_: yes, we'll probably have to do an ffe for that, unless you think you can whip it up very quickly. | 21:20 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: OK. And also simon's patch only deal with subnet model. So I'll work on port model | 21:20 |
danwent | nati_uen_: ok. | 21:20 |
nati_uen_ | danwent: OK I'll request review in Today's night | 21:21 |
danwent | hehe, ok | 21:21 |
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nati_ueno | :) | 21:21 |
danwent | #topic developer discussion | 21:21 |
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danwent | ok, we have a couple topics to cover | 21:21 |
danwent | the first is XML support in the API | 21:21 |
danwent | i'm guessing most of you saw the "spirited" discussion on the ML for nova's XML support | 21:21 |
danwent | right now, quantum is JSON only. | 21:22 |
zhuadl | yes :-) | 21:22 |
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danwent | we have a patch that adds at least some XML support | 21:22 |
danwent | but I'm not sure we want to go down that route | 21:22 |
danwent | my preference is to keep quantum JSON only. but i'm willing to debate :) | 21:22 |
nati_ueno | +1 for JSON only | 21:23 |
zhuadl | +1 for XML support :-) | 21:23 |
markmcclain | +1 for json only | 21:23 |
salv-orlando | In my opinion, the first choice we should make is whether we believe we can decide on our own, or whether we should rely on the decision of openstack as a whole | 21:23 |
PotHix | +1 for JSON only | 21:23 |
lzyeval_ | +1 for only json | 21:23 |
danwent | salv-orlando: apparently, there are already projects that do not support XML | 21:23 |
salv-orlando | great. | 21:23 |
nati_ueno | What's happen for nova is they can't get enough contributer for XML. So XML support is very poor. | 21:23 |
danwent | at some point, openstack as a whole may decide to mandate XML support, in which case we would obviously comply | 21:24 |
cdub | "The OpenStack Quantum API supports both the JSON and XML data serialization formats. " | 21:24 |
lzyeval_ | nova is only going to support xml apis which already exists | 21:24 |
cdub | quick, rewrite the docs | 21:24 |
salv-orlando | We are in a position where we are free to make any decision without disrupting anybody, as this is our first "public" release | 21:24 |
edgarmagana | shouldn't be a topic to discuss during the next summit? | 21:24 |
danwent | edgarmagana: next summit is too late for Folsom | 21:24 |
salv-orlando | edgarmagana: indeed, so... | 21:24 |
salv-orlando | I say Folsom will have no XML support. | 21:25 |
danwent | basically, if we want to support XML, we'll need to find someone who signs up for seriously standing behind it | 21:25 |
salv-orlando | We'll discuss whether we want to add it as part of quantum v2.1 at the summit | 21:25 |
danwent | in quantum | 21:25 |
zhuadl | I'm willing to help on this | 21:25 |
danwent | we also need to answer more practical questions, like how we represent "null" values | 21:25 |
salv-orlando | danwent: at the end of the day, I believe it boils down to serialization/deserialization | 21:25 |
cdub | danwent: is/was there XML support of nova-networks (in which case it'd be a pure parity requirement I'd think) | 21:25 |
salv-orlando | in quantum v1 already had test instrastructure to cover both in the same way | 21:26 |
edgarmagana | danwent: my point is that we should discuss it during the summit and by now just JSON support | 21:26 |
danwent | cdub: there was no official nova api that exposed networks | 21:26 |
danwent | and even if there was, I don't see it as parity | 21:26 |
lzyeval_ | danwent: doesn't json have null value? | 21:26 |
lzyeval_ | danwent: oh xml u mean | 21:26 |
danwent | lzyeval_: yes | 21:26 |
cdub | ok | 21:26 |
danwent | anyway, if we decide to support XML for folsom, I'd consider if for an FFE | 21:27 |
salv-orlando | danwent: I would not put absence of null value as an excuse for not supporting xml :) | 21:27 |
salv-orlando | and if we make that decision, that we will have to stand by it, at least until we release quantum v3 | 21:27 |
danwent | but I'd want to see a very credible plan for how someone introduces support, unit testing etc, so XML support is actually a first-class citizen. | 21:27 |
danwent | salv-orlando: i'm just saying that its a practical question we'd have to tackle in the next week or so. | 21:28 |
danwent | (i.e., how to represent null) since our API design includes it. | 21:28 |
salv-orlando | danwent: agreed. | 21:28 |
danwent | so zhuadl, cdub, others who are interested in XML support. do you want to work with each other to put something together on this? | 21:28 |
zhuadl | i remember xml is able to support null value | 21:28 |
danwent | zhuadl: great. i'm not saying it doesn't, just that I'm not sure how it does. I don't use XML much :) | 21:29 |
salv-orlando | I used to use emptty elements as null values | 21:29 |
zhuadl | yes, i can | 21:29 |
zhuadl | xml has nullable definition | 21:29 |
danwent | ok, thanks. Even if this is given an FFE, the work would have to be done pretty quickly. | 21:29 |
cdub | danwent: i'm actually not interested as much as i'd like to avoid some last minute firedrill if we there are clear reasons why it has to be done ;-) | 21:29 |
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salv-orlando | You can stack your work on top of andrews patch | 21:29 |
danwent | please take a look at the work andrewsmedina did and is posted to gerrit | 21:29 |
danwent | cdub: got it. I already have clearence from ttx to not support it if the community does not want to support it. but if there is community demand and those members are going to do a good job on nit, I"m happy to have XML support. | 21:30 |
danwent | Ok, zhuadl please send something out on this soon, ok? | 21:30 |
danwent | #todo zhuadl send plan for XML support in Folsom | 21:31 |
zhuadl | ok | 21:31 |
danwent | please include andrewsmedina as well, as he's done some work on this. | 21:31 |
danwent | ok, next topic: rootwrap | 21:31 |
danwent | rkukura: plan is to not merge Thierry's patch, and instead merge a patch from RH that fixes up quantum? | 21:31 |
rkukura | sounds good to me | 21:32 |
cdub | danwent: jrd has a conflict w/ this irc time, but his email status is basically up to date | 21:32 |
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cdub | danwent: although he's not 100% confident he can make it done and reviewed by tomorrow | 21:32 |
danwent | yup, saw the email. I think he should target having it done ASAP, though as I said, an FFE would be feasible for this, as the community benefit is obvious. | 21:32 |
danwent | next topic. | 21:32 |
cdub | *nod* | 21:33 |
danwent | nati_ueno has a patch that introduces a 'device_owner' attribute on a port | 21:33 |
nati_ueno | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10922/ | 21:33 |
danwent | the reason for this is that we found that people where often mangling device_ids with the source of the device | 21:33 |
danwent | e.g., dhcp, qrouter, etc. | 21:33 |
danwent | it will also add in debugging to be able to see which ports are owned by which service. | 21:34 |
nati_ueno | This could be used for transaction support also. | 21:34 |
salv-orlando | I am going to review patch 10922 | 21:34 |
danwent | anyway, I think it makes sense, but wanted to raise it here to see if there were concnerns. | 21:34 |
salv-orlando | No concern from me. | 21:34 |
danwent | ok, any other deveoper discussion topics? | 21:34 |
markmcclain | need a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11278/ | 21:34 |
danwent | I also just wanted to not that Salvatore is working with Docs people at Rackspace to get an official V2 API spec out. | 21:35 |
danwent | markmcclain: just +2'd | 21:35 |
nati_ueno | If you need more debug command for quantum, please ping me :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11189/9/quantum/debug/README | 21:36 |
danwent | I will also be hounding people to help write docs once F-3 features are in | 21:36 |
gongys | Our quantum.sh in devstack is running? | 21:36 |
danwent | gongys: nati_ueno is working on the v2 version of that. | 21:36 |
garyk | i have been unable to get it running | 21:36 |
nati_ueno | gongys: Not yet. I'm debugging it | 21:36 |
danwent | i haven't tested it in a few days | 21:36 |
danwent | but that is critical to getting quantum devstack gating working, which i mentioned earlier. | 21:37 |
danwent | once F-3 features are in, that will be top priority for the community | 21:37 |
danwent | this will help a ton with avoiding breakage | 21:37 |
gongys | Is quantum gate testing enabled in jenkin env? | 21:37 |
gongys | which will call our quantum.sh. | 21:37 |
danwent | gongys: no, we need to get the new quantum.sh merged in, then jeblair will turn it on | 21:38 |
gongys | ok. | 21:38 |
danwent | #topic open discussion | 21:38 |
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danwent | anything? | 21:38 |
danwent | or back to reviews? | 21:38 |
nati_ueno | danwent: Could you take a look? I fixed your point. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10922/ | 21:38 |
danwent | as I said, it was an incredible effort from several team members over the weekend that got us in good shape. thanks for all the hard work. | 21:39 |
nati_ueno | and alos https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10639/ | 21:39 |
danwent | nati_ueno: ok, will look. i have a stack of reviews, as well as my own coding to do later today ;) | 21:39 |
danwent | any other open discussion? | 21:39 |
nati_ueno | danwent: Thanks! | 21:40 |
danwent | otherwise, stick around if you want to discuss the quota extension issue with gongys and i, otherwise, ill talk to you all next week | 21:40 |
salv-orlando | k | 21:40 |
nati_ueno | let's have a meet up after F3 | 21:40 |
carlp | thanks dan! | 21:40 |
danwent | nati_ueno: i'm actually putting an on-site bug squashing even together | 21:40 |
danwent | thanks folks | 21:40 |
danwent | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 13 21:40:49 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-13-21.00.html | 21:40 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-13-21.00.txt | 21:40 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-13-21.00.log.html | 21:40 |
nati_ueno | danwent: Awesome! | 21:41 |
nati_ueno | Bye! | 21:41 |
danwent | nati_ueno: timing is complicated, as it depends when the baby arrives :) | 21:41 |
zhuadl | thanks,bye~ | 21:41 |
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PotHix | o/ | 21:41 |
zhuadl | :D | 21:41 |
carlp | I'm also planning on focusing on Quantum support with chef during the Hack-a-thon my company is hosting on the 21st. | 21:41 |
danwent | carlp: cool. down in LA i assume? | 21:41 |
nati_ueno | danwent: :) I understand you | 21:41 |
danwent | gongys: hey | 21:42 |
gongys | Dan: hi | 21:42 |
gongys | Have you see my comments just before the meeting? | 21:42 |
danwent | gongys: no, let me take a look. one second. | 21:42 |
carlp | danwent: yep! Anyone is welcome to join us - we'll be on IRC as well | 21:43 |
edgarmagana | good luck with baby Dan, mine is just 6 months.. i can provide some tips! | 21:43 |
danwent | gongys: ok. i read it. | 21:43 |
nati_ueno | carlp: #openstack-dev ? | 21:43 |
danwent | edgarmagana: haha, sounds good. how about babysitting (j/k) | 21:43 |
carlp | nati_ueno: #openstack-chef | 21:43 |
nati_ueno | carlp: I got it :) | 21:44 |
danwent | gongys: I still think there's a misunderstanding here | 21:44 |
edgarmagana | danwent: you got me there! | 21:44 |
danwent | edgarmagana: :P | 21:44 |
gongys | dan: ? | 21:44 |
danwent | gongys: really, it seems like there are two types of extensions | 21:44 |
danwent | all extensions prior to quotas where specific to the plugin, as the plugin needed to do something to support the extension (e.g., change settings on a switch) | 21:45 |
gongys | dan: Is it very important to differentiate them? | 21:45 |
danwent | it seems like quotas are a departure from this, as they act independent of a particular plugin, but still need a database | 21:45 |
gongys | dan: yes. | 21:45 |
danwent | what I don't understand is why you have the "provider" extension using the mechanism you've introduced. | 21:46 |
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danwent | the provider extension to me is something that some plugins will support, others will not | 21:46 |
zhuadl | Dan, where's the previous work of xml support? any blueprint/patches there? | 21:46 |
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danwent | zhuadl: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10856/ | 21:46 |
gongys | dan: if it is that your concern, I can put it back in old enabling way. | 21:46 |
zhuadl | thanks | 21:46 |
gongys | dan: I said old way and new way can work together. | 21:47 |
danwent | gongys: yes, I agree with that. | 21:47 |
danwent | I'd just suggest that we use the "new way" only for things that can be enabled completely independently of which plugin is used. | 21:47 |
gongys | dan: I just want all the enabling put together. | 21:47 |
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danwent | gongys: but we want plugins to be enable extensions without modifying extensions.py at all | 21:48 |
danwent | so we still need the "old way" in my opinion | 21:48 |
danwent | so i think if we just undo the provider stuff in your patch, we're good. | 21:49 |
gongys | dan: Yes, I want to device a way such as configuration to host that structure, but it make thing complex. | 21:49 |
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PotHix | (we want plugins to be enable extensions without modifying extensions.py) +1 for this! :P | 21:49 |
gongys | dan: by now I will jut put the provider back. | 21:49 |
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danwent | ok, sounds good. thanks. | 21:49 |
danwent | gongys: anything else we need to discuss? Otherwise, I think i'm good with the patch. | 21:50 |
danwent | btw, are you ok with me pushing a client release now? | 21:50 |
gongys | ok. review it in a few mins. | 21:50 |
danwent | james said he added quantum drivers to the list that can push a release | 21:50 |
gongys | sure. but what about the floating client? | 21:51 |
danwent | i'll also add you to that group, so you can push releases as well. | 21:51 |
danwent | gongys: yeah, that's the question. My assumption is that we'd release a 2.1 along with the RC for quantum-server | 21:51 |
gongys | that's fine. | 21:51 |
danwent | ok, sounds good. | 21:52 |
gongys | after we have floating ip on client, we can enable the nova quantum api's floating ip feature. | 21:52 |
gongys | so the nova will have 2.1? | 21:52 |
danwent | i think nova is already on 2.6 or whatever. | 21:52 |
danwent | we can choose to release a new version of python-quantumclient as frequently or infrequently as we want. | 21:53 |
danwent | up to you on whether you want to wait for router/floatingip stuff | 21:53 |
danwent | my concern was that there's no v2 compatible quantum client that can be installed via pip right now | 21:53 |
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danwent | which might be causing the problem's we're seeing in jenkins for gating quantum | 21:53 |
danwent | (I CC'd you on an email about this last week, I think) | 21:54 |
gongys | ok. I agree we put the quantum client in. | 21:54 |
danwent | ok, sounds good. talk to you later :) | 21:54 |
gongys | yes. I think you will put the quantum client to pip. | 21:54 |
danwent | cool. i will add you to the drivers group so that you can release as well. | 21:54 |
gongys | ok, you release first version, I will do later versions. | 21:55 |
danwent | sounds good | 21:55 |
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