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| p3N74 | hi folks | 12:02 |
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| p3N74 | I am totally new to openstack | 12:02 |
| p3N74 | and I would like to create a redundantarchitecture | 12:02 |
| p3N74 | just with swift | 12:02 |
| p3N74 | can you please help me | 12:02 |
| p3N74 | or direct to a documentation link | 12:02 |
| p3N74 | thanks | 12:02 |
| jd___ | p3N74: this is probably not the right channel to ask for that | 12:03 |
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| danwent | vishy: is you have a sec, could you re-review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9161/)? You had +2'd in the past and I'd really like to get this into devstack. | 16:59 |
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| danwent | vishy: thanks! | 17:04 |
| vishy | yw | 17:06 |
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| gongys | hi | 20:58 |
| salv-orlando | gongys: hi | 20:58 |
| gongys | salv-orlando: good afternoon | 20:59 |
| shivh | hio | 20:59 |
| danwent | hi folks | 20:59 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| markvoelker1 | o/ | 20:59 |
| danwent | man, gongys beat all of you to saying hello :) | 21:00 |
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| danwent | markvoelker, mestery, i expect better from you in the future :) | 21:00 |
| markvoelker1 | Hah | 21:00 |
| gongys | You know it is early morning here. | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | so we should award gongys with a blueprint | 21:00 |
| PotHix | o/ | 21:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| mestery | :D | 21:00 |
| danwent | gongys has been chewing through blueprints like a madman already :) | 21:00 |
| danwent | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 16 21:01:03 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| gongys | haha. Is that a reward? | 21:01 |
| danwent | #link Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
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| danwent | today we have a couple design/coordination issues to discuss | 21:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Hi | 21:02 |
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| danwent | hoping to nudge along a few discussion to make sure they don't become blockers | 21:02 |
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| garyk | evening all | 21:02 |
| danwent | garyk: hey | 21:02 |
| garyk | danwent: hi | 21:02 |
| danwent | first up, here's the current status of folsom-3: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:02 |
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| danwent | we are 3 weeks out from when all features should be pushed for review | 21:02 |
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| danwent | a month out from the final release date. | 21:03 |
| danwent | A couple key reviews to draw attention to (unfortunately, both are not in quantum) | 21:03 |
| danwent | first, garyk's devstack + dhcp patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9362/ | 21:03 |
| danwent | (arosen's v2 devstack patch got merged earlier today) | 21:03 |
| danwent | garyk: just need a rebase, i assume now that arosen's patch is in? | 21:04 |
| garyk | danwent: correct | 21:04 |
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| danwent | great. once you do that, i'll bug dean to get the second devstack core review | 21:04 |
| garyk | ok | 21:04 |
| danwent | second is salv orlando's patch to let you specify --nic option again with v2 quantum: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9295/ | 21:04 |
| danwent | this is pretty important to testing more interesting topologies | 21:05 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: any update on this? | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | reviewers comments | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | have been addressed - waiting for another round of review | 21:05 |
| danwent | looks like we already have the attention of a few nova core devs, which is great. | 21:05 |
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| danwent | ok, any other key reviews people want to call out (this is main reviews that may be holding up additional work) | 21:06 |
| garyk | danwent, salv-orlando: is this related to vnic or the nic of the agent | 21:06 |
| danwent | this is to be able to specify the set of networks that a vm is connected to when it boots | 21:06 |
| garyk | danwent: thanks | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | otherwise nova will just create interface on each network the tenant has access to | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | each => every | 21:07 |
| danwent | Ok, so I have a few items I'd like to discuss | 21:07 |
| garyk | :) | 21:07 |
| gongys | hello, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9506/ | 21:07 |
| gongys | what are these two different? | 21:07 |
| danwent | gongys: the difference is whether we allow IP address to be specified. | 21:08 |
| danwent | this is a discussion we were having with tr3buchet (as I mention in my review comment) | 21:08 |
| danwent | the concern is that we don't want every new thing that can be set on a quantum port (IP, security group, etc.) to be proxied through nova when a VM is created. | 21:08 |
| danwent | thus, the idea was that if someone wanted to customize their network connectivity, they would first create a port with exactly that connectivity via quantum, and then just passin the port-id when specifying the vNIC. | 21:09 |
| gongys | My god, These two changes are submitted almost at the same time. | 21:09 |
| gongys | They are trying to deal with the same problem. | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | We should at least make sure that they do not conflict each other | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | then we can stack the larger patch set (9506 I believe) on top of the other one | 21:11 |
| gongys | But these two are fixing same bug. | 21:11 |
| danwent | I think 9506 needs more discussion, about whether we want to support the fixed_ip attribute, or require that they pass in a port. I could see making an exception for fixed_ip, but I am very nervious about having all quantum port attributes sent in via nova. | 21:11 |
| danwent | we should loop tr3buchet into this discussion, as when I previously spoke with him, I think he was in favor of not supporting the fixed_ip field being passed in. | 21:12 |
| danwent | gongys or salv-orlando do you want to start a ML discussion on this? | 21:12 |
| gongys | I just want to avoid these duplication efforts. | 21:13 |
| mestery | danwent: I agree with your concerns, and I think the model you propose around pre-creating the Quantum port seems reasonable. | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | yeah I am fine with bringing the discussion on ML | 21:13 |
| gongys | Why do we have these two changes fixing the same bug? | 21:13 |
| danwent | are they both linked to the same bug? or did we have duplicate bugs that led to duplicate fixes? | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | in lp terms not the same bug | 21:14 |
| gongys | Sorry, I made a mistake. | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | we probably want to discuss in the ML whether they are actually the same bug or not according to semantics | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | I think not, but we probably want to move on as there's plenty to discuss today | 21:15 |
| danwent | ah… ok. well, at least there was some overlap there. part of the confusion was probably about whether the bug should be filed in quantum or nova | 21:15 |
| gongys | haha, they are not the same bug number. | 21:15 |
| amotoki | one is nova bug and the other is quantum bug. They are not linked. | 21:15 |
| danwent | i agree. let's move on, remember to always check for duplicates when you file a bug. | 21:16 |
| rkukura | Anyone interested in extensions adding attributes to core resources, please comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9849/ soon so we can decide whether to go forward with that approach and update the provider network patch set to use it. | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | rkukura: thanks I will look at the code later on today | 21:16 |
| rkukura | Lots of patch sets are touching the RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_LIST, including moving it out of router.py, so we'll need to coordinate. | 21:16 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: can you kick off quick discussion with tr3buchet and gongys at least to resolve differences between the two patches? | 21:16 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando: thanks | 21:17 |
| danwent | Ok, next topic I wanted to bring up was about adding names to port and subnets, and their uniqueness | 21:17 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9836/ | 21:18 |
| garyk | danwent: i think that if they are not unique then there is no point for the name - for example if one is to do a gui represntation of a network | 21:18 |
| garyk | danwent: it only leads to confusion | 21:19 |
| danwent | garyk: I think the "standard" approach is that the user can decide if they want to keep them unique or not | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | dan went, gongys, tr3buchet - I am happy to discuss it at anytime on irc, ML or w/e | 21:19 |
| danwent | that is what nova does for servers, and what we currently do for networks. | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | +1 to letting user decide name uniqueness | 21:19 |
| garyk | it is what we do, i do not think that it is very usable. | 21:19 |
| danwent | if a user decides to have two things named the same think, they likely need to click through to the details page to see a UUID and disambiguate in a gui, which I agree is cumbersome | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | I am with dan went on this. If we enforce name uniqueness then let's just get rid of uuid | 21:20 |
| garyk | how does the user decide? who can enforce this? | 21:20 |
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| garyk | i agree, one or the other. why both? it juest seems another column in the table that is a burden | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | on that node, I would not even make the name attribute mandatory (and make it non mandatory for networks as well) | 21:21 |
| zhuadl | What's the name used for? | 21:21 |
| PotHix | I have the same question | 21:21 |
| danwent | its really just an easier to remember/type display handle | 21:22 |
| gongys | Name is more user-friendly | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | I guess for having something human-suitable on the client-side | 21:22 |
| PotHix | Ok, so it makes sense to be optional IMHO | 21:22 |
| ncode | +1 on PotHix | 21:22 |
| danwent | in my experience, systems like this tend to have optional display names that are not-unique. | 21:23 |
| PotHix | make* | 21:23 |
| gongys | +1 for optional | 21:23 |
| danwent | this seems to be what nova does for servers, I'm not sure about other services within openstack. | 21:23 |
| amotoki | +1 for optional. it is useful. | 21:23 |
| zhuadl | If it is only for human-suitable, then uniqueness is not a must option. | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | I'll add my +1 - adding that we should make the name optional for networks too | 21:23 |
| PotHix | agree | 21:24 |
| ncode | salv-orlando: I agree with you | 21:24 |
| danwent | garyk: I think its up to you to try and convince folks otherwise. Want to send an email to the list about it? | 21:24 |
| garyk | i can live with the optional. +1 | 21:24 |
| gongys | Hi, if we make network name optional, I have to run 'quantum network-create' instead of 'quantum network-create myname' | 21:24 |
| gongys | which means we don't need any arguments to create a network. | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | yep, create without any parameter will give you a network | 21:24 |
| danwent | gongys: but I assume there would be a --name=foo | 21:25 |
| danwent | option? | 21:25 |
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| gongys | Yes. the name is going to become a optional argument. | 21:25 |
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| gongys | So we need nothing to create one network. | 21:25 |
| PotHix | Looks good to me :) | 21:26 |
| zhuadl | is there any problem here? | 21:26 |
| danwent | ok. please coordinate with devstack changes when pushing this into the client. We'll also need to change the resource-map to make network name optional (maybe do this in same patch as adding name for port/subnet?) | 21:26 |
| gongys | +1 for optional network name. | 21:26 |
| zhuadl | without a name? | 21:26 |
| gongys | I will update my change. | 21:27 |
| danwent | zhuadl: can you clarify what you're asking? | 21:27 |
| shivh | It is tough to associate a uuid of network in CLIs and UI | 21:27 |
| danwent | whoops, realized I skipped an item on the agenda. want to go back to talk about opentack-common updates. | 21:27 |
| zhuadl | I mean is there any problem without a name when creating a network? | 21:27 |
| shivh | -1 for optional | 21:27 |
| shivh | we need netwotks with names (sorry) to be the bad guy. | 21:28 |
| danwent | shivh: is specifying --name=foo much more difficult? | 21:28 |
| shivh | uuid are difficult yo handle | 21:28 |
| shivh | the assumption is not agreeable. | 21:28 |
| shivh | when you create a network you may want ot have a human readable name | 21:29 |
| shivh | like (vlan3 based network)( | 21:29 |
| danwent | shivh: yes, that would still be possible. | 21:29 |
| danwent | Ok, in the interest of time, shivh, please send your concerns to the ML | 21:29 |
| danwent | we have a lot to cover still | 21:29 |
| shivh | will do. | 21:29 |
| danwent | thx | 21:29 |
| danwent | gongys: i'm trying to figure out the issue with the two patches to update openstack-common | 21:30 |
| danwent | we need to get this change in soon, as garyk pointed out that others things depend on it | 21:30 |
| gongys | dan, obviously without needing any information to create a network will lead to creating network unintentionally. | 21:30 |
| danwent | what is the key difference between the two? | 21:30 |
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| salv-orlando | I reckon gongs has a patch that is a superset of the other - but fixes some pep8 errors | 21:30 |
| gongys | I need notifier part too. | 21:31 |
| danwent | gongys: ok, so is the concern just that the other patch was proposed first? | 21:31 |
| danwent | but does a subset? | 21:31 |
| gongys | I disabled pep8 check on openstack common codes. | 21:32 |
| danwent | gongys: yes, i think that's the right thing to do | 21:32 |
| gongys | I dealt with context problem in order to integrate the common code into our system. | 21:32 |
| danwent | especially given that openstack-common folks do not seem to want to use latest pep8 version | 21:32 |
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| garyk | danwent, gongys: sounds reasonable. which patch will be used then. there are 2 conflicting patches | 21:33 |
| gongys | But I am sorry to know there is another change trying to import the codes. | 21:33 |
| gongys | At that time I am just gobbling the BP. | 21:34 |
| garyk | gongys: the scalable agents got a -1 because it did not use the versioned RPC code (this also needs to be updated) | 21:34 |
| danwent | gongys: other one was proposed first, right? and is someone new to the community? are we able to merge that patch, and put yours on top? | 21:34 |
| danwent | or is it more complicated than that? | 21:34 |
| gongys | I agree, but that change is claiming to fix a bug which needs import the notifier part. | 21:35 |
| danwent | gongys: ok, could we merge it as a partial fix for that bug, then have you do the second half of the bug? Otherwise, let's just merge yours in. I just want to get this roadblock cleared. | 21:35 |
| gongys | Ok. | 21:36 |
| garyk | gongys: can you please make sure that you have the latest and greatest openstack codethen | 21:36 |
| gongys | of course. | 21:36 |
| garyk | tx | 21:36 |
| gongys | I will redo the update.sh. | 21:36 |
| danwent | ok, so we're going to approve Yaguang's patch, then apply gongys patch on top. everyone in agreement? | 21:36 |
| gongys | +1 | 21:37 |
| garyk | +1 | 21:37 |
| zhuadl | +1 | 21:37 |
| danwent | gongys: looks like you'll be the second +2 on the patch. | 21:37 |
| danwent | ok, great. | 21:37 |
| gongys | +2 | 21:37 |
| danwent | ok, last (and probably trickiest) of the discussion points. | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | -2 (sorry I just couldn't resist the temptation to troll :)) | 21:37 |
| danwent | arghhh! | 21:37 |
| danwent | :P | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | plz go ahead | 21:38 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Party pooper! | 21:38 |
| ncode | +1 | 21:38 |
| danwent | non-polling work for plugin agents, and dhcp | 21:38 |
| garyk | iff names are key :) | 21:38 |
| danwent | garyk has work related to making plugins more scalable | 21:38 |
| danwent | using rpc calls, though we need to add more logic to trigger off of API changes to notifiy agents. | 21:39 |
| garyk | danwent: not sure if anyone saw - i wrote a mail to the list with some issues about the updates | 21:39 |
| danwent | garyk: ok… actually, perhaps for something this complex, ML is better place to resolve anyway | 21:39 |
| * salv-orlando saw the mail, starred it and will eventually read | 21:39 | |
| danwent | given how long the meeting is running, how about we table that and just encourage folks to respond on the ML. | 21:39 |
| garyk | that would be great! | 21:40 |
| danwent | i think this is a key item to get consensus on though, as it will be used by plugins, dhcp-agent, and l3-agent | 21:40 |
| danwent | #help please check-out ML thread from garyk about scalable agents and respond with thoughts | 21:40 |
| danwent | ok, moving on :) | 21:40 |
| PotHix | will do | 21:40 |
| PotHix | :) | 21:40 |
| garyk | i'll be happy to clarify if anyone needs further explanations. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9591/ gives the basic idea | 21:40 |
| danwent | #info we're looking for people to contribute to the Quantum integration into horizon | 21:41 |
| danwent | I'm very worried that this isn't going to really land for Folsom, and it would be a shame if people didn't have a good graphical way to use Quantum | 21:41 |
| danwent | arvind has an initial patchset (https://github.com/asomya/horizon/tree/quantum-v2), but the GUI widgets he's created need to be hooked up to the Quantum client library. | 21:42 |
| danwent | there's also a lot more work that we wanted to do in F-3, but first we need to get this base functionality in | 21:42 |
| gongys | Is there any problem to be hooked to the quantum client? | 21:42 |
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| danwent | gongys: i think its pretty simple, he's just not familiar with any of the v2 stuff (and he's on vacation for two weeks now) | 21:42 |
| danwent | so no progress is being made. | 21:43 |
| gongys | I will have a look what is going on. | 21:43 |
| zhuadl | Is there any BP created for this work? | 21:43 |
| danwent | gongys: that woudl be awesome. | 21:43 |
| amotoki | i will check the horizon code. | 21:43 |
| danwent | bp is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-horizon | 21:43 |
| gongys | zhuadl, Do you want to take it? | 21:43 |
| zhuadl | I can also help to look at this. | 21:44 |
| amotoki | I just started to look the current asomya repository. | 21:44 |
| danwent | great… we could really use a few people familiar enough with horizon that we can expose new quantum functionality there once its available in the API | 21:44 |
| danwent | (in F-3 we'll also need to work on floating Ips and other l3 constructs) | 21:44 |
| danwent | #todo (again) dan create additional F-3 bps/bugs for horizon work | 21:45 |
| danwent | please use the BP whiteboard to coordinate the work you're doing. wouldn't want multiple people to do the same thing (resources are too precious for that) | 21:45 |
| danwent | we can split up the blueprint into additional chunks if people think that is useful | 21:46 |
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| danwent | ok, anything else for F-3? | 21:46 |
| gongys | how is the floating-ip feature going? | 21:46 |
| danwent | if you have a BP that is high or above and the status is unclear, I've probably already pinged you, or will be pinging you soon. | 21:46 |
| danwent | gongys: started on the spec over the weekend | 21:46 |
| danwent | if I don't have something by thursday, i'll give it up to you, deal? :P | 21:47 |
| gongys | N O | 21:47 |
| danwent | i'm hoping to break it out into three major chunks, so multiple people can work on it | 21:47 |
| gongys | :) | 21:47 |
| danwent | :) | 21:47 |
| danwent | #topic community topics | 21:48 |
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| danwent | Ok, i had a TODO that we should come up with a template for Quantum Specs | 21:48 |
| garyk | i have an issue with devstack and linux bridge and dhcp | 21:48 |
| danwent | I haven't had time yet, so I'm curious if anyone wanted to volunteer for that. | 21:48 |
| danwent | otherwise, i'm creating a spec template as I do the L3 stuff, so we can go with that as well. | 21:49 |
| danwent | ok, garyk go ahead | 21:49 |
| garyk | danwent: when i run devstack with v2 i ave issues. | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | I can do the spec template - and post it on the wiki. | 21:49 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: ok, that would be great. | 21:50 |
| garyk | 1. when using dhcp and linux bridge - the dhcp requets do not arrive at the dnsmasq device. could be iptables. | 21:50 |
| garyk | 2. occasionally nova launches vms with vnics | 21:50 |
| danwent | yeah gongys and I have chatted about that. | 21:50 |
| garyk | anyone else experienced this? | 21:50 |
| amotoki | i also have the same issue. | 21:50 |
| amotoki | the same issue #1. | 21:50 |
| danwent | you need to set the firewall drive to the NullFirewallDriver until we fix the bug we filed. | 21:51 |
| danwent | one sec | 21:51 |
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| garyk | danwent: i'll try | 21:51 |
| gongys | We need use NullFirewallDriver driver for now since we have not yet exposed the right dhcp server ip. | 21:52 |
| danwent | garyk: ok, i forget the exact syntax, but it was on that wiki page arosen sent out | 21:52 |
| gongys | I remember we have a BP for it. | 21:52 |
| danwent | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/expose-dhcp-server-ip | 21:52 |
| zhuadl | Yes, I saw it. | 21:52 |
| garyk | danwent: cool, i'll take a look tomorrow. silly me should have written to list instead on gridning water with it | 21:52 |
| danwent | then we'll need the quantum/nova integration code to pass that as part of the network object in nova, I think. | 21:52 |
| danwent | ok, other communit topics | 21:53 |
| gongys | About notification event. | 21:53 |
| garyk | gongys: configuration files | 21:53 |
| danwent | gongys: i see notifications as being a key part of the non-polling stuff, but that's part of what we need to discuss on the ML | 21:54 |
| danwent | (as notifications would need to be more fine-grained) | 21:54 |
| danwent | gongys: sorry, go ahead... | 21:54 |
| gongys | ok, time is up, I prefer to do it on the ML. | 21:55 |
| danwent | btw, 5 minutes to end of meeting | 21:55 |
| danwent | ok, great | 21:55 |
| danwent | please sign up for the next set of review days if you're a core dev (or even if you're not) | 21:55 |
| danwent | http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/ReviewDays | 21:55 |
| danwent | review queue is starting to grow again, let's make sure we all pitch in to keep it manageable | 21:55 |
| PotHix | I'm reviewing a bit each day | 21:55 |
| danwent | and just another reminder to use the openstack-dev (not openstack) list for design discussions | 21:56 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 21:56 |
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| danwent | any final questions (4 mins left)? | 21:56 |
| ncode | Do we have anyone from quantum here at oscon? | 21:56 |
| danwent | ncode: perhaps some of the dreamhost guys? | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | for public networks, please follow up discussion on the ML (I already owe garyk a reply) | 21:57 |
| rkukura | Any change of an official quantum-2012.1.1 essex stable tarball soon? | 21:57 |
| danwent | unfortunately, i suspect people at oscon may be the same people missing the meeting :) | 21:57 |
| danwent | rkukura: garyk picked up the latest today. after testing, we can definitely do a "release" | 21:57 |
| rkukura | s/change/chance/ | 21:57 |
| rkukura | great | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | ncode: we (Dreamhost) but I'm not sure who | 21:58 |
| ncode | danwent: hahahaha I will look for them | 21:58 |
| danwent | ok, thanks folks. see you all next week! | 21:58 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 16 21:58:28 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-16-21.01.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-16-21.01.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-16-21.01.log.html | 21:58 |
| garyk | thanks and goodnight | 21:58 |
| danwent | have a good afternoon, evening, morning :) | 21:58 |
| PotHix | Thanks folks! | 21:58 |
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| zhuadl | enjoy yourselves!:-) | 21:58 |
| amotoki | have a good day! | 21:58 |
| markvoelker | 'Night all! | 21:58 |
| shivh | bye | 21:58 |
| ncode | falooo | 21:58 |
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| salv-orlando | bye bye | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | adios | 22:01 |
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