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| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 12 16:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 16:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| gmb | o/ | 16:00 |
| nijaba | hey, welcome gmb! care to introduce yourself? | 16:00 |
| gmb | Sure, nijaba, thanks. | 16:00 |
| gmb | Hi everyone; I'm Graham Binns, and I'm the new Launchpad Green Squad Lead at Canonical | 16:01 |
| gmb | We'll be working on Ceilometer - as soon as we have the squad assembled | 16:01 |
| nijaba | also known as the openstack team ;) | 16:01 |
| gmb | :) | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | that's great! | 16:01 |
| nijaba | great to have you with us! | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:02 | |
| gmb | Thanks. I'm excited to be here. | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to send an email to the PPB for Incabation application | 16:02 |
| nijaba | This was done and we'll be discussing the results in a bit | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to send an email to the PPB for Incabation application (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:02 | |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to send call for candidate to the general mailing list | 16:02 |
| nijaba | This was done, I believe we even already have 2 candidates | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to send call for candidate to the general mailing list (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:02 | |
| * nijaba ponders adding a third... | 16:02 | |
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| * dhellmann thinks we need more voters ;-) | 16:03 | |
| nijaba | hehe | 16:03 |
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| flacoste | o/ | 16:03 |
| nijaba | Well, with condorcet, we could all be candidates! | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | true! | 16:03 |
| nijaba | is jd___ around? | 16:03 |
| jd___ | yes | 16:03 |
| nijaba | as the next action was for him | 16:03 |
| nijaba | great! | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #topic jd__ to setup opa voting system to start on 26th and end on Aug 3rd | 16:04 |
| nijaba | I gess we just have to carry on this action until then? | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd__ to setup opa voting system to start on 26th and end on Aug 3rd (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:04 | |
| jd___ | yes, I can't do this before 26 | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #action jd to setup opa voting system to start on 26th and end on Aug 3rd | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to prime a roadmap page and invite others to populate it | 16:04 |
| nijaba | This was done: | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to prime a roadmap page and invite others to populate it (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:04 | |
| nijaba | any suggestion on improving this? | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | we should probably post on the mailing list, asking for feedbabck | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | or feedback | 16:05 |
| nijaba | good point. I can take this action | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 16:05 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to post roadmap to mailing list, askingfor feeback and volunteers? | 16:05 |
| nijaba | #topic jd__ handle counter/meter type for real | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd__ handle counter/meter type for real (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:06 | |
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| dhellmann | I don't remember that action, what is that about jd___? | 16:06 |
| jd___ | about adding the type of meters in ceilometer meter code | 16:06 |
| jd___ | I don't recall if there's a bug opened for that or not | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | oh, I remember now | 16:07 |
| jd___ | but it's on my todo list | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | I thought you wanted a floating point meter :-) | 16:07 |
| jd___ | lol :) | 16:07 |
| jd___ | and unfortunately it's still on my todo list, I failed | 16:07 |
| nijaba | so, should we carry on the action for next meeting? | 16:07 |
| jd___ | yes please | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | is there a bug open for that? | 16:07 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: I'll check and open one while we continue chatting if not | 16:07 |
| nijaba | #action jd___ adding the type of meters in ceilometer meter code | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 16:07 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to document external API use with a clear warning about the limitation of the sum and duration function | 16:08 |
| nijaba | I did add a long blurb to the API proposal | 16:08 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/APIProposalv1#Limitations | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to document external API use with a clear warning about the limitation of the sum and duration function (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:08 | |
| nijaba | feedback on this blurb welcome | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | that looks good to me, nice detail | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | and much more clear than my original post to the message | 16:09 |
| nijaba | it took me a bit to word it correctly! | 16:09 |
| nijaba | I guess that's it for last week's actions... | 16:09 |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss and define actions from the PPB discussion on Tue regarding our incubation. | 16:10 |
| nijaba | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-10-20.01.html | 16:10 |
| nijaba | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-10-20.01.log.html | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | ^message^mailing list | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss and define actions from the PPB discussion on Tue regarding our incubation. (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:10 | |
| uvirtbot` | dhellmann: Error: "message^mailing" is not a valid command. | 16:10 |
| * dhellmann needs more caffeine | 16:10 | |
| nijaba | So I guess we are all a bit disappointed not to have been accepted right away, but on the bright side, we have not been pushed back either! | 16:10 |
| nijaba | What's your feeling about this? What do yo think we should be doing to get in? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | we should address the specific feedback we did get | 16:11 |
| flacoste | so it seems that the main question is whether metering is a core feature or not, right? | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I'm a little confused by the "out of scope" response from a few people | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | we may need to drum up some support from the user community to combat that | 16:11 |
| nijaba | Well, that's an ongoing discussion of the PPB | 16:11 |
| nijaba | what is in and out of scope | 16:12 |
| nijaba | it started with Horizon | 16:12 |
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| nijaba | I think that's the only think we cannot directly address | 16:12 |
| nijaba | but we can provide better argumentation if any one has any ideas... | 16:12 |
| nijaba | We've been asked to update the application to add a table showing the state of integration for each OpenStack project. I guess I can assign myself to this, if there is no objections. | 16:13 |
| jd___ | it may be hard indeed | 16:13 |
| flacoste | i think there were broad support to the idea that openstack core contains standard hooks for metering | 16:13 |
| jd___ | nijaba: sounds great! | 16:13 |
| flacoste | so that everyone doesn't ahve to reinvent those | 16:13 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to add a table showing the state of integration for each OpenStack project | 16:13 |
| nijaba | flacoste: in fact, I think we have more supporters than detractors, if I counted well | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | we should also adjust the proposal to reflect a longer incubation period -- they were right that folsom is half over | 16:14 |
| flacoste | yep | 16:14 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yes, that's a clear todo | 16:14 |
| nijaba | me again? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | you'll be working on it anyway… :-) | 16:15 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to adjust the proposal to reflect a longer incubation period | 16:15 |
| nijaba | Another suggestion was to get feedback fromt he potential consumers on the approach, API, etc. Should we start a poll? | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | a poll might be interesting. I was thinking of asking for feedback on the mailing list to make some "noise" about the project from that perspective | 16:16 |
| nijaba | that's a form of a free poll | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ture | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ugh | 16:17 |
| jd___ | as usual, people will wake up when the project will start working for real and be a bit usable | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | true | 16:17 |
| jd___ | :) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | jd___: good poitn | 16:17 |
| nijaba | It was also suggested that incubation should be granted *after* the project is fully operational | 16:17 |
| nijaba | so may do the poll once we have something complete? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | That seemed odd to me, but I'm prepared to wait. | 16:18 |
| jd___ | polling can't hurt anyway, but I don't think that'll change, we need more code I guess | 16:18 |
| nijaba | shooting for early sept? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | I would like to get some feedback now about the sorts of meters users want | 16:18 |
| jd___ | nijaba: something like that yeah | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we can wait to ask about the api until we have a proof-of-concept | 16:18 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: +1 to ask feeback on counter list | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | sept makes sense | 16:18 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: we can, but I think we already know the meters everybody wants | 16:18 |
| jd___ | but that doesn't hurt :) | 16:19 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: do you want to take that action? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | jd___: we know what the people involved in the early discussions want :-) | 16:19 |
| DanD | sorry if you have already done this, have not been able to catch back up. but maybe splitting into chunks would be more appealing. certainly instrumentation of services is core | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: sure | 16:19 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann to get some feedback now about the sorts of meters users want from the mailing list | 16:19 |
| gmb | I've updated http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap to reflect the longer incubation period. | 16:20 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: yep, but if only we already had what we want, I'd be happier to ask for even more ideas/wanting from other, but for now… :) | 16:20 |
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| nijaba | Also, we were suggested to get with dtroyer on getting devstack to set up ceilometer so folks can more easily play around with it. | 16:20 |
| nijaba | thanks gmb | 16:20 |
| DanD | most provides are probably already invested in a billing solution. but all will suffer if the core OpenStack services are not instrumented properly | 16:20 |
| jd___ | devstack is a good idea | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | jd___: we can ask for priorities. | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: I can work on the devstack integration | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I'll open a bug | 16:21 |
| nijaba | coolio | 16:21 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: sure, but I've the feeling that it's so "basic" what we decided to implement that it doesn't help to have priorities; but anyway, i'm really not against anything here, just saying my feelings ;) | 16:21 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann to open a bug and work on devstack integration | 16:21 |
| jd___ | thanks dhellmann for devstack, I think that'll help | 16:21 |
| nijaba | anything else? | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | jd___: sure, that makes sense. One of the bits of feedback was an apparent lack of input from users (or at least wanting more), so I'm trying to look for ways to address that. | 16:22 |
| nijaba | which is weird, since I spent 3 months on this, but I guess I was not doing this publicly.. | 16:22 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: Oh, I didn't know that. Well, that's easy to address then… :-) | 16:23 |
| jd___ | nijaba: hehe | 16:23 |
| jd___ | so this feedback is not good, but we can't blame them, so let's fix it ;) | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: I think it's a matter of volume on the mailing list, and some people not paying attention early on. We did a lot of talking early, then went "heads down" to build something for a stretch of time | 16:23 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: true... | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | we also had more people involved in meetings early on, and we should go back to the logs and include some of those names in the proposal | 16:24 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: but I think we are the first OpenStack project to start from an almost blank page | 16:24 |
| nijaba | perhaps excepting glance | 16:24 |
| jd___ | keystone maybe? | 16:24 |
| nijaba | nope, their was prior art in java | 16:25 |
| nijaba | s/heir/there | 16:25 |
| nijaba | anyway, let's make them happy and ask for feedback! | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | exactly | 16:25 |
| nijaba | and we have some clear actions defined for that! | 16:25 |
| nijaba | thanks dhellmann | 16:25 |
| nijaba | any other comments? | 16:26 |
| jd___ | nop | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | no | 16:26 |
| DanD | since I am one of the ones that was attempting to participate but got caught up in internal stuff. I would suggest some kind of review of requirements and design | 16:26 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discusssion | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discusssion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:26 | |
| heckj | nijaba: I have an API related request... | 16:26 |
| heckj | (snuck in) | 16:26 |
| nijaba | DanD: that wouudl be good indeed | 16:27 |
| nijaba | heckj: please shoot | 16:27 |
| heckj | As you get into the implementation for the API, I'd love to see a resource description of what's getting returned and its format. | 16:27 |
| nijaba | DanD: how would you see that happen? | 16:27 |
| heckj | dolphm and I were talking about some of how we're doing the keystone API, and one of the things we were wrangling was how anal to be able asserting content-type's for returned resources that weren't predefined. | 16:28 |
| nijaba | heckj: for sure, but bad idea to do it before we implement | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | heckj: do you mean describing the json format of the response, or the contents of the json? | 16:28 |
| jd___ | I've opened #1023969 for the counter type stuff FYI | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | jd___: thanks | 16:28 |
| DanD | good question. maybe a conference call with a diagram or two? | 16:28 |
| heckj | nijaba: no argument there. For the keystone draft API, I took a stab in the documentation that was meant to inform the impl, but have left the "spec" open to not constrain it. | 16:28 |
| DanD | something that could be the basis for a presentation at the OpenStack meeting in October | 16:28 |
| nijaba | DanD: we could set that up | 16:28 |
| DanD | that might be a good time to get better support | 16:29 |
| heckj | (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VP-bTBbwsn6q-rDzuS9CEKb2ubE1VjbWRFd4BkkjoOY/edit if you're curious) | 16:29 |
| nijaba | heckj: then I guess we should take this as guidelines for implementation/documentation | 16:29 |
| nijaba | thanks heckj | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | heckj: yes, thanks for the link | 16:30 |
| heckj | np - glance has done the same - I riffed off their work. Google docs has been OK for the publish/review process, but not awesome | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | when we get to the implementation we can use that as a template for a design doc | 16:30 |
| nijaba | DanD: +1 on you proposal. Anyone else care to comment on this proposal? | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | DanD: do you mean a diagram of the architecture? | 16:30 |
| DanD | yes | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | that makes sense. we should have something like that in our docs anyway | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | I can do the diagram | 16:31 |
| nijaba | I would be happy to setup something for the first week of august. Google event on air maybe? | 16:31 |
| DanD | with some emphasis on the impact to the metered systems. haven't looked at the feedback, but I suspect some pushback by other teams is that they are concerned about what it will do to and cost them. certainly is an internal issue for us | 16:31 |
| nijaba | DanD: surprisingly not much pushback in that way at all | 16:32 |
| heckj | nijaba: another unrelated suggestion - get a blog post up walking through a metering setup and showing results. It'll drive interest hugely when you're at the point to show it off | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | DanD: some of that still needs to be measured, but we tried to design for low impact | 16:32 |
| nijaba | Most people are happy when we tell them you can turn off counters | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | heckj: yeah, we need the API server before we can show anything :-/ | 16:33 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: another great suggestion for early sept | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: true | 16:33 |
| * nijaba winks at gmb and his recruitment process | 16:33 | |
| gmb | :) | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can work it into the docs as a how-to and then link to it on a blog so it shows up on planet.openstack | 16:34 |
| nijaba | nice idea indeed | 16:34 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: want more actions? ;) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann create a diagram of ceilometer architecture | 16:35 |
| nijaba | \o/ | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann write a walk-through of setting up ceilometer and collecting data | 16:36 |
| nijaba | \o/x2 | 16:36 |
| nijaba | so, slightly boring, but I am going to be off for the next couple weeks. Any volunteers to handle the next 2 meetings? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | I'm off next week, but can take the week after | 16:36 |
| jd___ | I'll do | 16:37 |
| nijaba | cool! | 16:37 |
| nijaba | so jd___ next week, dhellmann the week after! | 16:37 |
| jd___ | yup :) | 16:38 |
| nijaba | anything else? | 16:38 |
| flacoste | i'll be unavailable for the next 3 meetings | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | I'm starting to look at the classes we'll need to use to set up the API service. one of my co-workers is also interested in those for some quantum work he's doing. | 16:39 |
| nijaba | flacoste: please add yourself to the apologies on the meeting agenda wiki page | 16:39 |
| * nijaba will do the same | 16:39 | |
| flacoste | nijaba: i will | 16:39 |
| nijaba | thanks | 16:39 |
| nijaba | flacoste, gmb: any experience with API setup in python? | 16:40 |
| nijaba | REST API that is | 16:40 |
| flacoste | a lot | 16:40 |
| gmb | Hah, yes. | 16:41 |
| flacoste | we even wrote a REST framework back in the days | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, I'm specifically looking at the classes already being used by the other openstack services | 16:41 |
| nijaba | any pointers for dhellmann? | 16:41 |
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| flacoste | for django, tastypie is nice | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | we are contemplating moving some more code into common | 16:41 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yep, I tried to look at cinder for that same reason... Failed to complete my analysis... | 16:41 |
| flacoste | but if we are looking for integration with -common | 16:42 |
| flacoste | we should look at what the other projects are using | 16:42 |
| jd___ | +1 | 16:42 |
| flacoste | although this means that openstack might end up with a nih solution | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | at this point the nova code for services is a little messy, but we might be able to extract a base class that would be compatible | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to look at some of the other services next to see if they are any cleaner | 16:43 |
| nijaba | that could be worth another -common thread on the ML | 16:43 |
| nijaba | but would suggest to wait til monday that the -dev ml is active | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | flacoste: if the existing solutions are all too ugly, we should talk about other options | 16:44 |
| nijaba | hope everyone subscribed to openstack-dev | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | yes | 16:44 |
| * nijaba thanks oubiwann for his work on that | 16:44 | |
| dhellmann | oubiwann says "oh, cool!" | 16:45 |
| nijaba | ok, looks like we ran out of topic... | 16:46 |
| jd___ | so sad :) | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | time for lunch! | 16:46 |
| nijaba | thanks everyone! great meeting, as always | 16:46 |
| jd___ | thanks | 16:47 |
| jd___ | bon appétit dhellmann ! | 16:47 |
| nijaba | I'll be back tanned and rested in a couple weeks :P | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 16:47 |
| jd___ | heh | 16:47 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 12 16:47:27 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-12-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-12-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-12-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: You there? | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | #startmeeting | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 12 17:04:31 2012 UTC. The chair is davidkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| rohitk | hey folks | 17:05 |
| jose | hey | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: yes, here, but only for about 20 mins. | 17:05 |
| jose | so just off the bat, i've had no time to work on the SwiftSupport branch, so no updates :/ | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK, let's get to it. | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: cool with me. | 17:06 |
| Ravikumar_hp | hi David | 17:06 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: thanks for the sample code branch for whitebox, i should get my patch in my tomorrow morning my time | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | rohitk: Are you going to finish https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9059/ | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | rohitk: Great. I have some resource stuff to go in after that. | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I looked at the Tuesday meeting logs and am a little concerned about this cinder thing. | 17:07 |
| rohitk | davidkranz: apologies, was just tied up with parallel work | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Do you know what the testing status is? | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: coolio. | 17:08 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: Cinder == nova-volumes exactly right now, so Tempest actually doesn't need to do much more than add a little bit in for attaching to a volume endpoint (instead of using the compute endpoint) | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I told jgriffith that I would add the cinder test. | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK, good. | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: most of the work actually is in the devstack and devstack-gate side. | 17:09 |
| jgriffith | jaypipes: And I've got devstack ready to go once gating is ready :) | 17:09 |
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| jaypipes | jgriffith: rock on. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | I think Vish could have said more clearly that this is not a real code or functional change. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | jgriffith: Maybe you should send another message clarifying that? | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: yeah, the mailing list thread has now turned ugly with George Reese' latest message. | 17:11 |
| jgriffith | davidkranz: Happy to | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Oh, didn't see that yet. | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: But I can predict what it said. | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | heh | 17:11 |
| jgriffith | it was not very nice | 17:12 |
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| jaypipes | jgriffith: and clearly he didn't actually read the email. | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | I think we are at the point of having real customers and have to work hard to avoid an impression that developers don't really care about that. | 17:12 |
| jgriffith | jaypipes: I was going to respond with "so is that a vote for option 1" but thought I'd refrain | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | I think there needs to be a specific set of hoops to be jumped through before real incompatible changes are made going forward. | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: it's quite obviously clear we care about it... otherwise we wouldn't put out a mailing list post talking about the options! :) | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: plus, these aren't actually incompatible changes we're talking about, as Cinder is an exact copy of nova-volumes at this point... it's more of a rename of part of the API than anything else IMHO. | 17:14 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: I understand. It is a matter of impressions. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I didn't think any one was proposing to rip out volumes for Folsom until I saw this. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Anyway, hopefully this will settle down and not happen again. | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | Any more tempest business? | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | not from me.... it's Bug Squash Day, so we should all be focusing on triaging and fixing as many bugs as we can (in tempest and core projects) | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | /join #openstack-bugday if you're interested | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | Any one have anything else for now? | 17:17 |
| rohitk | nothing from me | 17:18 |
| Ravikumar_hp | How about Swift test checkin .. | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | OK. I added some comments to the etherpad from last week. | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | I guess that's it for now. | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 12 17:19:08 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-12-17.04.html | 17:19 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: link to that etherpad real quick? | 17:19 |
| rohitk | http://etherpad.openstack.org/QaNewFeatureValidation | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: cheers mate | 17:23 |
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