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| jgriffith_ | cinder/volume folks??? | 15:59 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:59 |
| DuncanT | o/ | 15:59 |
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| rturk | Hello | 15:59 |
| rnirmal | hey | 16:00 |
| jgriffith_ | cool... we're all early today :) | 16:00 |
| jgriffith_ | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 27 16:00:18 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| jgriffith_ | #topic status update | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status update" | 16:00 | |
| jgriffith_ | So for those that don't know... we're really close | 16:00 |
| liamk | hi | 16:00 |
| clayg | looks like one of the big two landed? | 16:00 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: Yep | 16:01 |
| jgriffith_ | So the only one that's really holding things up at this point is mine :( | 16:01 |
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| clayg | heh | 16:01 |
| jgriffith_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/8073/ | 16:01 |
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| sleepsonthefloor | hello | 16:02 |
| clayg | hrmmm... ec2 tests? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: yes | 16:03 |
| jgriffith_ | I'm stuck on terminate instances when a volume is attached | 16:03 |
| jgriffith_ | There's a failing rpc call | 16:03 |
| clayg | do you know what needs to fix, or do you need help tracking it down? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: I could use help tracking it down | 16:04 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith_: so is the detach not happening on terminate? | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith_ | clayg: I have it narrowed in to compute/api and I think it's calling volume manager somewhere but it's like spaghetti | 16:04 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: I suspect it's actually the detach call | 16:05 |
| sleepsonthefloor | jgriffith_: steps to reproduce? | 16:05 |
| jgriffith_ | sleepsonthefloor: run_tests.sh nova.tests.api.ec2.test_cinder_cloud:CinderCloutTestCase.test_stop_start_with_volume | 16:06 |
| jgriffith_ | or .....:CinderCloudTestCase.test_stop_with_attached_volume | 16:07 |
| jgriffith_ | So some background on this test.... | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith_ | It stubs out in the setup all of the api calls to volume/fake.API | 16:08 |
| jgriffith_ | I think we need both tests still since folks will be using nova-volume as is for a while | 16:09 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok... so if anybody has time to look at that and help me figure out what's up that would be great | 16:10 |
| jgriffith_ | Once we get this change set pushed we're pretty much there for F2 I believe | 16:11 |
| jgriffith_ | #topic cinder hack day | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinder hack day" | 16:11 | |
| jgriffith_ | So Piston Cloud has been kind enough to host a Cinder Hack Day in SF next week | 16:11 |
| jgriffith_ | It will be at the Piston Cloud offices in San Francisco on Tuesday July 3'rd | 16:12 |
| clayg | that's cool | 16:12 |
| jgriffith_ | Anybody who wants to write some Cinder code is welcome and encouraged to attend | 16:12 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: Yeah, it should be really cool | 16:12 |
| jgriffith_ | The idea is to generate some interest, get some new recruits and buld a bit of momentum | 16:13 |
| jgriffith_ | There are some folks from Rising Tide, RackSpace and others that will be there | 16:13 |
| jgriffith_ | Depending on how this goes we may want to think about similar events in the future | 16:14 |
| jgriffith_ | Even doing via IRC remotely maybe? | 16:14 |
| rturk | it'd be a lot easier to get some Ceph devs there if it were on IRC, I'd like to see that | 16:15 |
| jgriffith_ | rturk: Understood | 16:15 |
| rturk | (since we're in LA mostly) | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | There are timezone considerations for us, but it sounds like a good idea | 16:15 |
| liamk | yeah | 16:16 |
| jgriffith_ | So would there be interest in having an IRC channel up for the event next week? | 16:16 |
| rturk | absolutely! | 16:16 |
| liamk | yup | 16:16 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok, I'll see what I can do and keep folks updated | 16:16 |
| rturk | cool | 16:16 |
| jgriffith_ | So this assumes that you'll be setting the day aside to work on Cinder code | 16:16 |
| rturk | agreed - just saves on the travel time | 16:17 |
| jgriffith_ | rturk: yep, sounds good | 16:17 |
| jgriffith_ | #action jgriffith to setup IRC channel for Cinder Hack Day next week | 16:17 |
| jgriffith_ | I'll send an email out with info on this | 16:18 |
| jgriffith_ | #topic plans for existing nova volume code | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "plans for existing nova volume code" | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith_ | Ok, so this is something that maybe isn't as clear to folks as it should be | 16:19 |
| jgriffith_ | I just want to go through it as a team here to make sure we're all singing the same song | 16:19 |
| jgriffith_ | So the goal should be to have Cinder 'ready' for F2, and in Openstack as default volume servie for Folsom release | 16:20 |
| jgriffith_ | Existing nova volume code will NOT go away yet | 16:20 |
| jgriffith_ | It will still be there for folks that rely on it | 16:20 |
| jgriffith_ | But I would like to see it go away by G release depending on how things go | 16:20 |
| jgriffith_ | Also, I do have SERIOUS concerns about maintaining parity between both services | 16:20 |
| jgriffith_ | My thought is Cinder moves forward, nova-v stays where it is | 16:21 |
| jgriffith_ | Anybody have different ideas/thoughts in mind? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith_ | Or concerns, objections... | 16:21 |
| liamk | Makes sense | 16:22 |
| rturk | sounds reasonable | 16:22 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok... there was some misconception I think that we were going to completely rip out nova-v for Folsom | 16:23 |
| jgriffith_ | This caused some stress I think, and rightfully so | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith_ | #topic priorities for Cinder | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities for Cinder" | 16:23 | |
| jgriffith_ | I wanted to get some input from folks on what to attach first for Cinder after F2 | 16:24 |
| jgriffith_ | inparticular this might be good for laying out the hack day | 16:24 |
| jgriffith_ | I have some ideas of my own (boot from volume) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith_ | But wanted to open up for other ideas/input here | 16:25 |
| jgriffith_ | BTW... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith_ | When I say BFV I'm referring to the Ceph document as the model | 16:25 |
| jgriffith_ | If you haven't seen this I'll dig up a copy and send it out | 16:25 |
| rnirmal | I'd like to see all the status stuff cleaned up | 16:26 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: details? | 16:26 |
| rnirmal | things like when is a delete possible, an attach/detach etc... there's been several bugs around that | 16:26 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: Oh yes... EXCELLENT point | 16:26 |
| rnirmal | just status of the volumes in general.. it's a mess right now | 16:27 |
| clayg | jgriffith_: sorry had a walk up, I think nova should adopt a "no new features in volumes" at f-2, and have _major_ deprecation warnings pending removal in g-1 or g-2 | 16:27 |
| clayg | ^ or close there by | 16:27 |
| uvirtbot | clayg: Error: "or" is not a valid command. | 16:27 |
| clayg | ubirtbot: I hate you | 16:27 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: I would agree with that | 16:27 |
| rnirmal | clayg: I think that's what vishy had agreed on early on... only bug fixes go back in the nova-volumes | 16:27 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: You and virtbot have quite a relationship I've noticed! | 16:28 |
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| clayg | meh, "security" fixes - bugs are "expected behavior" ;) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith_ | haha | 16:28 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: So back to your point | 16:29 |
| clayg | ok, sorry that's it from the peanut gallery, I'll try to look at that cloudcontroller test | 16:29 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: NP | 16:29 |
| jgriffith_ | I agree, the bugs will be the priority | 16:29 |
| rnirmal | yeah simple cleanup like adding a status class or something... we refer to status in all the places as just string literals | 16:29 |
| jgriffith_ | I think the only "important" one missing from the list right now is the snapshot one (I'll have to look it up again) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: Agreed | 16:30 |
| jgriffith_ | and this one: | 16:30 |
| jgriffith_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1008866 | 16:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1008866 in nova "Creating volume from snapshot on real/production/multicluster installation of OpenStack is broken" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:30 |
| clayg | urm... which "list" | 16:30 |
| jgriffith_ | clayg: Sorry... | 16:31 |
| jgriffith_ | #linkk https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs | 16:31 |
| jgriffith_ | Hmmm... I thought virtbot would yell at me for typing poorly | 16:31 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith_: yup that one's a much bigger one for the default driver.... I don't think that's a problem for the other drivers | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: I definitely place it high on the priority list | 16:32 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok... so I think there's more than enough work laid out just in the defects/enhancements | 16:33 |
| jgriffith_ | delete issues are going to be the biggest win IMO | 16:33 |
| jgriffith_ | anything folks would like to add at this point? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith_ | Or need some clarification on something? | 16:34 |
| rnirmal | one more thing... there's going to be folks around to review and approve changes for the hack day right ? | 16:34 |
| rturk | jgriffith_: everything I care about is in that doc you mentioned | 16:34 |
| jgriffith_ | rturk: :) You and me both... | 16:35 |
| jgriffith_ | rturk: To a point | 16:35 |
| jgriffith_ | rturk: We'll never get the stuff in the doc to work well withou fixing the items rnirmal mentioned | 16:35 |
| rturk | nod | 16:36 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok... I guess this is a good time for open discussion? | 16:36 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith_: one more.. I seem to have a huge list today... is there any plans to work on the docs | 16:36 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: Thanks for reminding me!!! | 16:36 |
| jgriffith_ | I chatted with annegentle yesterday about that very topic | 16:36 |
| jgriffith_ | I have a list of todo's regarding the wiki pages, and doc updates | 16:37 |
| jgriffith_ | I've targeted F3 and will be opening up entries in the docs project for them | 16:37 |
| jgriffith_ | #topic docs | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs" | 16:38 | |
| jgriffith_ | Might as well have a docs topic eh...? | 16:38 |
| rnirmal | sure | 16:38 |
| rnirmal | so what you mentioned is dev docs + api docs right? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: correct | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: with an emphasis on api, config and mainenance docs as the priority | 16:38 |
| jgriffith_ | I would LOVE to get some good dev docs out there | 16:39 |
| jgriffith_ | but right now would prioritize people being able to use/run Cinder | 16:39 |
| rnirmal | I think we are at a place to generate the sphinx docs | 16:39 |
| rnirmal | not sure if it has any content :) | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith_ | rnirmal: Sounds like a good thing for you to volunteer for ;) | 16:40 |
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| rnirmal | yeah I'll do some | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith_ | :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | Sorry, I couldn't resist | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | So here's what I have as a list of official docs: | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | 1. migration (Essex to Folsom) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | 2. Initial install/config | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | 3. API usage | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | 4. Cinderclient | 16:41 |
| jgriffith_ | 5. some sort of design description/review | 16:42 |
| jgriffith_ | Anybody see anything blatantly missing? | 16:42 |
| rnirmal | nope looks good | 16:43 |
| jgriffith_ | excellent.... | 16:43 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok... now I think that's all I had | 16:43 |
| jgriffith_ | #topic open discussion | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion" | 16:43 | |
| jgriffith_ | anybody have anything? | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | so looks like all the devstack changes got merged in | 16:44 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: and I would like to tqlk qbout metring (ceilometer) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith_ | nijaba: Yes!! Sorry, I almost forgot somehow | 16:44 |
| jgriffith_ | Just for an update for everybody.... | 16:44 |
| jgriffith_ | I talked with the ceilometer team a bit last week about metering in Cinder | 16:45 |
| jgriffith_ | Particularly usage/create/delete stats on a per tenant basis | 16:45 |
| jgriffith_ | nijaba: I'll let you and dhellmann elaborate... | 16:45 |
| nijaba | so, what we need to fetch is two fold | 16:45 |
| nijaba | 1/ we need to collect usage per tenant on a regular basis | 16:46 |
| nijaba | it seems that the best approach for this is to use the api | 16:46 |
| nijaba | but that leaves the question of how to authenticate ceilometer | 16:46 |
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| nijaba | since our architecture offers local agents, we are proposing to deploy one on the sames hosts where cinder is deployed | 16:47 |
| nijaba | thus making local calls | 16:47 |
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| rnirmal | nijaba: so that's going to be polling the cinder api | 16:47 |
| nijaba | 2/ we need to capture create/modify/delete volume event | 16:47 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: yes, that would be the idea | 16:48 |
| nijaba | for 2/ it seems that you are not currently genereating any event on any queue | 16:48 |
| nijaba | so we would like to test the idea of us patching cinder to do so | 16:48 |
| rnirmal | yeah we had some events added to nova-volumes... but the review got abandoned in cinder | 16:49 |
| rnirmal | that's something we should be able to get back in | 16:49 |
| rnirmal | nijaba: this is similar to notification events in nova | 16:49 |
| rnirmal | or essentially the same | 16:49 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: yes, very much | 16:49 |
| nijaba | we would just be proposing some patches to do so, so that we can capture them from our agent and send it to our collector | 16:50 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: but if there are patches already in the work, we would gladly have a look at them :) | 16:50 |
| rnirmal | nijaba: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7517/ | 16:51 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: great! | 16:51 |
| nijaba | so I take it you guys would see 1 and 2 from a good perspective? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith_ | nijaba: +1 | 16:52 |
| rnirmal | I'm ok with 2... I'm a little concerned about the polling in 1 | 16:52 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: we are very open to other suggestions | 16:52 |
| jgriffith_ | nijaba: I'm assuming the frequency of the polling is configurable.... | 16:52 |
| rnirmal | I haven't followed the ceilometer discussions | 16:52 |
| nijaba | jgriffith_: it is, yes | 16:53 |
| jgriffith_ | nijaba: Then I'm ok with it, as long as it's user configurable | 16:53 |
| nijaba | on a per agent basis | 16:53 |
| rnirmal | so I don't think I can provide any valuable input without understanding that | 16:53 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: what would you need? | 16:53 |
| rnirmal | nijaba: so that would be getting usage for all the tenants right? | 16:54 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: yes | 16:54 |
| rnirmal | so this would have to be some sort of a admin only api call | 16:54 |
| nijaba | the idea is to be able to callect all information so that a billing engine can be fed from a single source | 16:54 |
| nijaba | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer | 16:54 |
| nijaba | rnirmal: yes, admin type call, so that we are not exposing other user's information | 16:55 |
| rnirmal | ok that sounds good | 16:55 |
| nijaba | authentication would be done by the fact that our agent is local, if that's good enough | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Personally I'd prefer a second, admin-only endpoint | 16:56 |
| rnirmal | DuncanT: +100 on that | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Can do whatever auth people want then (by port, wsgi plugin, firewall, whatever) | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith_ | DuncanT: +1 | 16:57 |
| nijaba | DuncanT: sounds indeed much better | 16:57 |
| nijaba | DuncanT: so that would be a second patch for us to propose, I guess? | 16:57 |
| rnirmal | DuncanT: it's easy to do now.. just duplicate the service and run it on a different end point with only the required extensions | 16:57 |
| rnirmal | but not clean | 16:57 |
| * dhellmann is sorry he's late | 16:57 | |
| dhellmann | a second admin API does make more sense | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT | rnirmal: Sounds like we can get something stood up for nijaba et al to start using, and change the internals ourselves later then? | 16:58 |
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| rnirmal | DuncanT: yeah that's what I was thinking | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | are the openstack projects moving away from communicating internally via the RPC mechanism, or did cinder just decide not to implement that? I'm not sure about the history. | 16:58 |
| rnirmal | for now we can just have an extension with admin_only policies for them to use | 16:59 |
| jgriffith_ | dhellmann: cinder just didn't do it (yet) | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | jgriffith_, ok | 16:59 |
| nijaba | btw, we are hanging out in #openstack-metering (as well as #openstack) if you guys have more questions | 17:00 |
| rnirmal | great thanks nijaba | 17:00 |
| nijaba | thank you! | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | thanks for your support, everyone! | 17:00 |
| nijaba | +1 | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith_ | Thanks dhellmann and nijaba | 17:01 |
| jgriffith_ | By the way... for folks that decide to try the tests I mentioned earlier.... | 17:01 |
| jgriffith_ | There's a merge problem you'll need to fix in nova/tests/api/ec2/test_cinder_cloud.py | 17:01 |
| jgriffith_ | s/from nova import rpc/from nova.openstack.common import rpc/ | 17:02 |
| jgriffith_ | Sorry about that.... | 17:03 |
| jgriffith_ | Alright... anybody have anything else? | 17:03 |
| jgriffith_ | if anything comes up, or you have questions about hack day next week hit me on IRC | 17:03 |
| jgriffith_ | Somebody "stole" my nick so you can find me as jgriffith_ or jdg | 17:04 |
| rturk | jgriffith_: will do, thx | 17:04 |
| jgriffith_ | Ok... thanks everyone!!!! | 17:04 |
| jgriffith_ | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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