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jgriffith | cinder anyone? | 15:59 |
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DuncanT | Yup | 16:00 |
jgriffith | That makes two.... two more and we'll start | 16:00 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: BTW, thanks for pointing out the nova-manage command... | 16:01 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Sadly, that's something that will not work with Cinder | 16:02 |
DuncanT | It's something I've found myself using a lot recently | 16:02 |
jgriffith | :( | 16:02 |
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jgriffith | Alrighty... need 2 more people to say they're hear to talk about Cinder... Bueler, Beuler... | 16:02 |
sleepsonthefloor | heyo | 16:03 |
jgriffith | Cool.. close enough :) | 16:03 |
jgriffith | #startmeeting | 16:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 16:03:22 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
DuncanT | A similar cinder-manage command would, I think, be useful - it is safer than manually grubbing in the database, and requiring root to use it (to get the db creds from the .conf file) makes it fairly safe | 16:03 |
dricco | here too | 16:03 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Absolutely | 16:03 |
jgriffith | dricco: Hello | 16:03 |
jgriffith | #topic status update | 16:04 |
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jgriffith | For those that saw my email regarding testing out cinder with my github you may have run into some problems :( | 16:04 |
jgriffith | It seems glance isn't gettting cloned properly | 16:04 |
jgriffith | For those that tried it (clayg) I apologize for the confusion | 16:05 |
jgriffith | Anyway... | 16:05 |
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jgriffith | The good news is euca- commands are working now | 16:05 |
jgriffith | I've added tests to devstack to attach/detach, snapshot and deletes | 16:06 |
jgriffith | I think we're pretty close to being ready to go out into the wild | 16:06 |
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jgriffith | I'm pushing to make Cinder default in devstack after f2 release | 16:07 |
jgriffith | After that we have a lot of work to do in terms of features | 16:07 |
jgriffith | Anybody else tried running anything, or have any updates on current status? | 16:07 |
jgriffith | I won't speak for sleepsonthefloor :) | 16:08 |
sleepsonthefloor | jgriffith: finishing up moving the snapshot api changes to an extension | 16:08 |
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sleepsonthefloor | may have to update cinder client as well | 16:08 |
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sleepsonthefloor | after that, it would seem that nova tests are the main task to be done? | 16:09 |
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jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: Sounds good... I had some updates in the client, but moving those to an extension may mean another turn on them | 16:09 |
jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: Yes, nova tests.... I'm still working on those | 16:09 |
DuncanT | We've got a working devstack instance going here, including working euca commands... not got our driver port working on it yet but working on it | 16:09 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: cool | 16:09 |
jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: I almost have a completed fake cinder service finished | 16:10 |
sleepsonthefloor | In terms of the merge timeline, the relevant keystone changes are in | 16:10 |
DuncanT | I also put up https://github.com/Funcan/nova-volume-end2end though it needs some tweaks to work with a recent euca2ools library | 16:10 |
jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: So what I was thinking was get everything merged, saving Nova for last | 16:11 |
jgriffith | For devstack merge everything with n-vol as default, then submit a patch to switch the default after that | 16:11 |
jgriffith | any thoughts from anybody else on the ordering there? | 16:12 |
sleepsonthefloor | jgriffith: makes sense to me. once the snapshot api extension and related client work are done, cinder and cinder client should be ready. hopefully those land today/tomorrow | 16:13 |
jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: Great.. and I'm hoping close to the same timeline for nova | 16:13 |
jgriffith | The nova tests may still have some holes, but it should be sufficient by then | 16:14 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Do you want to talk a bit about your end2end tests? | 16:14 |
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jgriffith | clayg: Make up your mind :) | 16:15 |
DuncanT | Sure, they (currently) use the euca api to create instance and volumes, write data to them, move the volume to different instances and check the result | 16:15 |
clayg | jgriffith: i can't stay, i just wanted to pop in and say I'm playing with cinder (got all my issues worked out last night) | 16:15 |
DuncanT | There is a similar test for snapshots there | 16:15 |
clayg | I'll try to watch for messages that show up in yellow | 16:16 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: very cool... any thoughts about moving this into devstack, or working with ci team to do something ie gate test? | 16:16 |
clayg | I'm going to try and find bugs in cinder, track down all the patches so I can repoduce cinder in a multinode xen/nova setup - and maybe write some unittests! | 16:16 |
jgriffith | clayg: Awesome!! | 16:17 |
DuncanT | Certainly we can look at that, yeah. Devstack integration should be fairly easy | 16:17 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: A bit of it is already there in euca.sh, but I like the actual data transfer addition | 16:17 |
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DuncanT | Also intend to have a version for the nova/cinder api soon | 16:17 |
jgriffith | I need to step away for one minute... sorry, keep talking I'll catch up | 16:18 |
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jgriffith | Never mind... I'm good | 16:18 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Sounds great, keep us updated | 16:18 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Come across any issues thus far or are things looking pretty good? | 16:19 |
DuncanT | Not found anything yet | 16:19 |
jgriffith | Ok, sounds good... | 16:20 |
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DuncanT | Will be hitting it a bit harder as I get our driver wired up to it | 16:20 |
jgriffith | One thing we need to think about is the whole specifying device mount point... | 16:20 |
jgriffith | AFICT this doesn't really work in n-vol or cinder | 16:21 |
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jgriffith | Ok... anything else for status updates? Questions? | 16:22 |
DuncanT | Under KVM the mount point specification is entirely bogus with nova today... and in a difficult-to-explain-to-customers way | 16:22 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: exactly, I'd like to figure out a way to address that | 16:22 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: not critical right now, but want it on our radar screen | 16:23 |
jgriffith | Ok... onward | 16:24 |
jgriffith | #topic hack day in SF | 16:24 |
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jgriffith | So don't know if everybody here saw the email from Joshua M about a cinder hack day in SF? | 16:24 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: I know this probably isn't realistic for you :( | 16:25 |
jgriffith | I was wondering if any folks from inktank, redhat etc were lurking about today that were on that list/interested | 16:25 |
jgriffith | Also renuka you're out that way, would you be interested in such an event? | 16:25 |
renuka | yea im in | 16:25 |
heckj | jgriffith: when is the hackday? | 16:26 |
jgriffith | heckj: Well he sent out the email last week and was talking yesterday timeframe :) | 16:26 |
heckj | heh | 16:27 |
jgriffith | I thougth it would be good to bring it up here this week and gauge interest before I get on a plane :) | 16:27 |
heckj | I'm in Seattle, but am kind of interested. Wouldn't be able to contribute a whole lot right off that bat... | 16:27 |
jgriffith | Also one question I had was if it would be more productive to wait until the basic integration was done and out there | 16:27 |
DuncanT | I'd love to come along but I'm not sure it is practical :-( | 16:27 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Yeah, I figured... although maybe we could all come to Ireland? I've wanted to visit for a while now. | 16:28 |
renuka | integration might be a good idea | 16:28 |
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DuncanT | That sounds like a great plan to me... it's a lovely place | 16:28 |
jgriffith | renuka: Yeah, I think folks could contribute a lot more once there's a stable foundation | 16:28 |
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jgriffith | So let's put it this way... if we set such a thing up say in July after F2 would there be enough interest from folks here to show up and get together? | 16:29 |
* heckj is happy to wait and learn | 16:29 | |
renuka | i'm in whichever way | 16:30 |
jgriffith | Ok, I think I'll try and coordinate something. There are enough people in the area there that it could be fun/useful | 16:31 |
jgriffith | I'll keep folks posted, but I don't think it makes as much sense to do it before we're integrated | 16:31 |
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jgriffith | I'd like to get some things like Boot From Volume knocked out in that type of setting | 16:31 |
jgriffith | :) | 16:31 |
renuka | speaking of which... boot from volume now works for xen :) | 16:32 |
renuka | code in review | 16:32 |
jgriffith | renuka: Awesome! | 16:33 |
jgriffith | renuka: Which review was that? I've looked at a couple from you lately | 16:33 |
renuka | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/8156/ It's mostly in the compute space | 16:33 |
renuka | but i guess it is of interest to volume people :) | 16:33 |
jgriffith | renuka: very much so :) | 16:34 |
jgriffith | Ok... | 16:35 |
jgriffith | We've diverged a bit | 16:35 |
jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:35 |
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jgriffith | Fire away! | 16:35 |
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jgriffith | ha! I'm going to get off easy this week! | 16:36 |
DuncanT | One question related to a recent mailing list thread | 16:36 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: shoot | 16:36 |
DuncanT | Any thoughts on whether delete should work on states otehr than available & error? | 16:37 |
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DuncanT | Deleting an 'attached' volume seems odd... you could be an implicit detattach but I suspect anybody trying to delete an attached disk has typo'd | 16:37 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: my thought is no, however there's the thing about being abl to force a state | 16:38 |
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DuncanT | There are ways to get stuck in a state where nova database thinks the device is attached but nothing else does | 16:38 |
DuncanT | nova-manage force-attach can be useful there sometimes but an end-user can't run that | 16:38 |
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DuncanT | Similarly it is possible to get stuck in creating or attaching with no way out as the end user | 16:39 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: Yes, so we need a way to "fix" that, but in terms of what you can delete I think it should be dependent on the states you mention | 16:39 |
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jgriffith | Also that brings up the question of deleting volumes with snapshots again :) | 16:39 |
DuncanT | Yeah... currently our code lets you but then the snapshots become useless because snapshots have no provider location :-( | 16:40 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: We'll need to put together a blueprint for adding something like "correct-state" to the api/client | 16:40 |
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DuncanT | We've certainly got usecases where users would rather not pay for both the volume and the snapshot when all they need is the snapshot | 16:41 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Yeah, I think we may change definition and implementation of snapshots in the future based on past conversations | 16:41 |
DuncanT | Sounds good to me | 16:41 |
renuka | DuncanT: that seems to be a matter of billing policy | 16:42 |
renuka | i think some hypervisors might be storing snapshots as deltas... that is the reason they dont allow deleting the original volume | 16:42 |
DuncanT | renuka: It's also a matter of conceptual model... if the user only wants to keep a golden snapshot, why shouldn't they be able to delete the volume that the snapshot was created from? | 16:43 |
DuncanT | I realise what semantics a given implementation supports can vary | 16:43 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: renuka I seem to recall we started this topic at length a while back :) | 16:43 |
jgriffith | I proposed the "golden copy" model be a clone | 16:43 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: I don't remember coming up with a model mapped onto an api... I do remember the discussion | 16:44 |
DuncanT | Should I send out an email about it and give people time to think? | 16:44 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: no we didn't resolve it | 16:45 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Probably a good idea, but it's not something I intend to try and solve in the next week or two | 16:45 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Just to be fair/honest | 16:45 |
jgriffith | Although if others have time/bandwidth to tackle it and are ready that's another story | 16:46 |
DuncanT | Oh, I don't expect a speedy resolution, just want to keep the discussion alive so we don't get stuck with not changing anything do to lack of agreement on where we'd like to go | 16:46 |
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jgriffith | My concern would be if there are changes in how we do things like BFV etc they may impact it so I won't to be able to really focus everyone with a big picture in place | 16:47 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: I agree with that completely | 16:47 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: sending out something to ML is probably a good idea, it you want to run with it sounds good to me | 16:48 |
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DuncanT | Ok, I'll put something together | 16:49 |
jgriffith | Anybody else have anything? | 16:50 |
jgriffith | Next week should be exciting, we'll hit our first big milestone :) | 16:51 |
jgriffith | Alrighty, thanks everyone! | 16:51 |
jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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