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| nijaba | hello | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | hi | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #meetingname ceilometer | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #info agenda http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 17 16:01:26 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #topic meeting organisation | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #info This is 3/6 meetings to decide the details of the architecture of the Metering project https://launchpad.net/ceilometer | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #info Today's focus is on the definition of external REST API | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #info There has not been enough discussions on the list to cover all aspects and the focus of this meeting was modified to cope with it.#info The meeting is time boxed and there will not be enough time to introduce inovative ideas and research for solutions. | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #info The debate will be about the pro and cons of the options already discussed on the mailing list. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting organisation" | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | any remarks regarding the organozation of the meeting? | 16:01 |
| nijaba | I guess that's a no :) | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meetings | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meetings" | 16:02 | |
| nijaba | #info dachary add info to the wiki on the topic of poll versus push | 16:02 |
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| nijaba | dachary is not able to join us today, but I can confirm that this was done | 16:02 |
| nijaba | any remarks about it? | 16:02 |
| nijaba | ok, moving on | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #info dhellmann: reformulate the API proposal as a start point for the dicussion on the ML | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | which section of the wiki page was that in? | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #architecture IIRC | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I sent email to the list a couple of days ago, and we have since had a discussion about the new presentation of the API that you put forward | 16:03 |
| nijaba | yup, I think we can mark this one as done too :) | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, aha, I found it | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #dachary push next meetings one week | 16:04 |
| nijaba | so as we had to continue the discussion on APU, the meeting schedule was indeed pushed by one week | 16:05 |
| nijaba | done as well... | 16:05 |
| nijaba | ok, let's move one then | 16:05 |
| nijaba | #topic Agree on update to schema to include JSON formated metadata | 16:05 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering#Storage | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agree on update to schema to include JSON formated metadata" | 16:05 | |
| nijaba | any comment on this change? | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | to summarize, it replaces the "payload" field with a "resource_metadata" field | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | the new field is a JSON value with the content left up to the resource type, correct? | 16:06 |
| nijaba | and specify the use of a json description in that field | 16:07 |
| nijaba | correct | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | that works for my needs | 16:07 |
| nijaba | +1 for me | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | some of the early requirements came from Dan from HP, is he here? | 16:07 |
| nijaba | guess not... | 16:08 |
| nijaba | should we not that as agreed? | 16:08 |
| flacoste | i'm not too hot on the use of json payload (means it's hard to index and query), but i'm not too fussed either :-) | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | are we specifying how that data will be stored, or what the message looks like? | 16:08 |
| nijaba | flacoste: given that we are not planning to allow searches on it, it should work | 16:08 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: not so far. left to the implementor | 16:09 |
| flacoste | dhellmann: the section is called 'Storage', but i wonderd the same thing | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | for the first version the message format and storage format could potentially be the same, but we can optimize that later | 16:09 |
| nijaba | I guess we can have a disussion on the schema of this field at a later point? | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | sure | 16:09 |
| flacoste | if it's only the meter message format, then i have no concerns | 16:09 |
| flacoste | +1 | 16:10 |
| nijaba | marking this as agreed then | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:10 |
| nijaba | #agreed to update to schema to include JSON formated metadata | 16:10 |
| nijaba | #topic Agree on API proposal | 16:10 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/APIProposalv1 | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agree on API proposal" | 16:10 | |
| nijaba | so I tried to summarize the discussion on the API with a detailed proposal for the REST API | 16:11 |
| nijaba | most of you have already commented on it | 16:11 |
| nijaba | any further remark? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I am +1 on the current list of API endpoints | 16:12 |
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| nijaba | flacoste: still convinced we should not do storage and API? | 16:12 |
| nijaba | or did our arguments make sense? | 16:12 |
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| flacoste | well | 16:13 |
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| flacoste | i'm not totally convinced yet | 16:13 |
| flacoste | we probably need something | 16:13 |
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| flacoste | not sure it's the first thing we should be thinking about anymore | 16:13 |
| flacoste | but it's not that important either | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, I probably won't use all of the endpoints we have described in our integration | 16:13 |
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| flacoste | i'll continue the discussion on the list | 16:13 |
| nijaba | ok | 16:13 |
| flacoste | but i think what is being discussed here | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | but the list that's there makes sense | 16:13 |
| flacoste | makes sense | 16:13 |
| nijaba | so, on the current API proposal, let's vote... | 16:14 |
| nijaba | +1 for me | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:14 |
| * flacoste abstains | 16:14 | |
| nijaba | #agree on API proposal http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/APIProposalv1 | 16:15 |
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| nijaba | #topic Agree on format for date_time | 16:15 |
| nijaba | #info Suggestion is to use ISO but seeking validation for best practice for REST | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agree on format for date_time" | 16:15 | |
| nijaba | any pros and cons about using ISO format for this? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | I asked some of the guys at DreamHost who do more REST than I do, and they said ISO 8601 was easy to parse and supported in a lot of libraries already | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | they also suggested using UTC times to avoid timezone issues within the server | 16:16 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: oh yes! | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | which makes sense to me, since I've fought that fight a few times :-) | 16:16 |
| flacoste | yes, to UTC! | 16:16 |
| * dhellmann likes the easy decisions | 16:17 | |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to add the use to UTC for datetime | 16:17 |
| nijaba | oh, I forgot another action | 16:17 |
| nijaba | #action flacoste to follow on the discussion about a bus only implementation | 16:17 |
| nijaba | ok, so I guess we are all in agreement about datatime format? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like it | 16:18 |
| nijaba | #agreed to use ISO for datetime | 16:18 |
| nijaba | #topic Agree on the use of a transparent cache for aggregation | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agree on the use of a transparent cache for aggregation" | 16:19 | |
| nijaba | I personally think this is outside the scope of the high level design we are currently doing | 16:19 |
| nijaba | but I think that we should agree that the main thing we store are atomic events | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | what else would we store? | 16:20 |
| nijaba | and that we can store other "comodity" information for perfomance reasons, such as agregation of values | 16:20 |
| nijaba | but this should be left to "the implementor" | 16:21 |
| flacoste | i don't understand what 'transparent cache for aggregation' means | 16:21 |
| flacoste | but it does sound out of scope :-) | 16:22 |
| nijaba | flacoste: in order to reduce the db traversals, we may store result of some complexe queries in the database for a set period of time | 16:22 |
| flacoste | that's implementation detail for sure | 16:22 |
| * nijaba nods | 16:22 | |
| dhellmann | yeah, we expect to do that by adding data to our existing billing system | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | I'm planning to ask for data, process it, and put it somewhere else | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | so caching in ceilometer won't be that helpful for us | 16:23 |
| nijaba | ok, noting agreement on this is implementation details | 16:23 |
| nijaba | #agreed caching is an implementation detail | 16:23 |
| nijaba | heh, we are moving fast today | 16:24 |
| nijaba | we actually have time left for.... | 16:24 |
| nijaba | #topic Open discussion | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 16:24 | |
| nijaba | anyone? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I mentioned this on the list or during the last meeting, but one thing not handled by any of the existing counters is "discrete" events | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | for example, we might have a small charge to upload a new image to glance, then charge on a recurring basis for the storage | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | or we might charge a flat rate to create an instance | 16:25 |
| nijaba | why not add a counter for those then? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 16:26 |
| nijaba | they are countable by number of occurence | 16:26 |
| flacoste | number of instances started in period? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I guess that makes sense -- right | 16:26 |
| flacoste | number of glance uploads in period? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | most of the examples are accumulated values, I wasn't thinking in units of "number" :-) | 16:26 |
| nijaba | I go 3 images upload betwen then and now, for example | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, that problem is solved then | 16:26 |
| * nijaba blames crappy keyboard for missing letters :) | 16:26 | |
| nijaba | dhellmann: you may want to document the additional counters and specify that they won't carry volume information | 16:27 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: do you want that action? | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | not yet. if we decide to charge for them I will add documentation before or with the code | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I don't want to commit to implementing it if no one else needs it | 16:28 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: sounds good | 16:28 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: we may want to document one though | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll add an example | 16:28 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: so that we don't forget about the case | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:28 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann to document a counter for discrete event as an example | 16:29 |
| nijaba | any other open dicussion topics? | 16:29 |
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| nijaba | calling once... | 16:30 |
| nijaba | twice... | 16:30 |
| nijaba | ok, thanks a lot everyone... I guess the holliday did not help to get a lot of people on this meeting today | 16:31 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Progress (Meeting topic: keystone-meeting)" | 16:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 17 16:31:15 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-16.01.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-16.01.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-16.01.log.html | 16:31 |
| flacoste | thanks nijaba | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | what is the holiday? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | thanks, nijaba | 16:31 |
| flacoste | dhellmann: one of the 12 french national holidays ;-) | 16:31 |
| nijaba | End of WW2, IIRC | 16:31 |
| egallen | Only for french | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ah | 16:31 |
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| flacoste | nijaba: it's a catholic holiday: ascension iirc | 16:32 |
| nijaba | flacoste: duh... right... | 16:32 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | Hi | 17:01 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Is Jay there? | 17:01 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | greetings all! | 17:01 |
| Ravikumar_hp | hi all | 17:01 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we will wait one more min | 17:01 |
| rohitk | Hi all | 17:02 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: | 17:02 |
| Ravikumar_hp | can we start ? | 17:02 |
| Ravikumar_hp | just wait for a min for dwalleck to be back | 17:03 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | ok . Let us start . | 17:04 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #startmeeting | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 17 17:04:32 2012 UTC. The chair is Ravikumar_hp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic | 17:05 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Jmeter perf test scripts - check-ins - Rohit | 17:05 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | Jmeter perf test scripts - | 17:05 |
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| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: trying to squeeze some time out for that | 17:05 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: ok . any ETA | 17:06 |
| rohitk | i know it's gotten delayed, will hopefully put it up by end of this week | 17:06 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok. anyone has any question of performance test scripts before we move to next topic? | 17:06 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok | 17:07 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic update on Swift test development for Tempest | 17:08 |
| JoseSwiftQA | ah yes | 17:08 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic update on Swift test development for Tempest | 17:08 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | Finally got everything submitted semi properly. | 17:08 |
| Ravikumar_hp | JoseSwiftQA: Any update on tempest test check-in? | 17:08 |
| JoseSwiftQA | one sec | 17:09 |
| JoseSwiftQA | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7465/ | 17:09 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | There where two botched submissions I abandoned. Jay did do a review on one of them and I incorperated his changes | 17:09 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | JoseSwiftQA: | 17:10 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Great. does that check-in includes all Swift tests ? | 17:10 |
| JoseSwiftQA | I didn't have time to add all the client methods I wanted, but I felt it was probably more important to get tests working for the ones I did ad. | 17:11 |
| JoseSwiftQA | yes | 17:11 |
| Ravikumar_hp | JoseSwiftQA: | 17:11 |
| Ravikumar_hp | or some more in pipeline? | 17:11 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | Basic tests for all the methods in the clients are included in this submission. Now that I have a better idea of coding style and process, i'll try and push through smaller but more frequent commits. | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | any one has any questions on Swift tests ? | 17:12 |
| fattarsi | JoseSwiftQA: I just saw this today, looking good | 17:12 |
| JoseSwiftQA | coolbeans :D | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | JoseSwiftQA: Thanks | 17:13 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #Topic Blockers preventing work from moving forward | 17:13 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | I think - As of now None | 17:14 |
| Ravikumar_hp | . Any one feels there are blockers in tempest? | 17:14 |
| rohitk | I'd definately like to see this moving in as soon as possible https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7069/2 | 17:14 |
| patelna | how about tempest concurrent runs enhancement | 17:14 |
| rohitk | I have quite some work dependent on the new manager classes | 17:14 |
| patelna | it that commited | 17:14 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: Refactoring of base test case classes | 17:15 |
| Ravikumar_hp | 17:15 | |
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| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: yes | 17:15 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: that is enhancement right ? not a blocker? | 17:15 |
| rohitk | well it's blocking some of my code to be checked in for reviews | 17:16 |
| Ravikumar_hp | patelna: Daryl lost connection . will ping him on that concurrent tests | 17:16 |
| patelna | great...thanks | 17:16 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: ok . I will record that as blocker | 17:17 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Anyone has any blocker ? | 17:17 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | #topic Outstanding code reviews | 17:18 |
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| rohitk | I'd also consider the limited number of core reviewers as a blocker | 17:18 |
| rohitk | probably will have a thread up on the ML for that | 17:18 |
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| donaldngo_hp | rohitk++ | 17:18 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk:++ | 17:19 |
| donaldngo_hp | or add more core reviewers | 17:19 |
| rohitk | yes | 17:19 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we need to have some approvers | 17:19 |
| Ravikumar_hp | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z | 17:20 |
| fattarsi | there is currently a schedule for reviewers, correct? | 17:20 |
| fattarsi | maybe when reviews are blocked a polite ping would be useful | 17:21 |
| Ravikumar_hp | mostly it reviewed fast . turn around is fast . but it puts burden on Jay - since there are very few reviewers cum approvers | 17:21 |
| rohitk | fattarsi: would have to get Jay to answer that, not sure how we're managing reviews for Tempest | 17:21 |
| fattarsi | in addition to more core reviewers :) | 17:21 |
| Ravikumar_hp | now we have 17 pending out of which 4 backport | 17:21 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | All those submitted to code review are fairly new and in -progress. No concern. | 17:22 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | Only one pending for sometime | 17:22 |
| Ravikumar_hp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/5544/ First pass at generic resource management | 17:22 |
| donaldngo_hp | is there a list of core reviewers? | 17:22 |
| fattarsi | rohitk: I am a little unclear too how it is managed, maybe we can refine the process a bit more | 17:22 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | fattarsi: ++ | 17:22 |
| rohitk | fattarsi: I'd probably identify dependent branches and prioritize them | 17:23 |
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| rohitk | any branch that adds a client should get a higher priority | 17:23 |
| Ravikumar_hp | but out of 17 pending reviews, 16 are recent and being in-progress and acted on | 17:24 |
| Ravikumar_hp | too much delay puts rebase issue etc | 17:24 |
| fattarsi | Ravikumar_hp: agreed | 17:25 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Any code review in pipe line is critical other than the one Rohit mentioned? | 17:25 |
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| fattarsi | are people comfortable using the -dev channel when a review is critical? | 17:26 |
| fattarsi | I don't see it used much for tempest | 17:26 |
| rohitk | I'd want to see a -qa channel by now | 17:26 |
| fattarsi | rohitk: I was thinking the same thing | 17:27 |
| donaldngo_hp | me too | 17:27 |
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| fattarsi | might spurn more traffic | 17:27 |
| rohitk | Tempest should have independent discussions, that's not much work to start the channel | 17:27 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: ++ . | 17:28 |
| Ravikumar_hp | i prefer our own channel | 17:28 |
| rohitk | there is a channel actuall, #openstack-qa exists | 17:28 |
| Ravikumar_hp | may be we need to evangelize the channel | 17:28 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: ++, well chris and I just did | 17:29 |
| rohitk | :) | 17:29 |
| fattarsi | so, let's say for now if something is blocked to voice it there and see how it goes | 17:29 |
| Ravikumar_hp | I should use that channel . Need to check how many use that channel reqularly. should we move to next topic | 17:29 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | ok fattarsi. I agree with you | 17:30 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic Outstanding Test development (in-progress & New) | 17:31 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=New | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Total - 23 in-progress , 21 New bugs , fairly good progress. All these test developments are additional enhancement tests with medium priority | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Our resource is back to temptest test development and we will write Nova negative tests that is already assigned to us. | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | still these test development (23 task bugs ) are for regression issues only. Not for Folsom features | 17:33 |
| Ravikumar_hp | any questions ? Is any test development in https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=New is of high priority? | 17:34 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok . will move to next topic | 17:35 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | Daryl and Jay not there . so not sure if we can cover some of the items | 17:36 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | #topic Review of last week's action items | 17:36 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | Update on Getting the smoke test branch in gerrit | 17:36 |
| Ravikumar_hp | as per the status in last week meeting - we wanted to give enough time for folks to see things and get comfortable before finalizing the review and branch . Is that time passed? Any update on when the review and branch will be complete? | 17:36 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Any one has any information as Daryl and Jay not there ? | 17:37 |
| JoseSwiftQA | one sec, i'll see if I can find Daryl :) | 17:37 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: we could probably move that discussion to the ML | 17:38 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: ok | 17:38 |
| Ravikumar_hp | just wait for 30sec to hear from JoseSwiftQA | 17:39 |
| notmyname | Ravikumar_hp: he's not back at his deskyet | 17:39 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok . we will move to next topic. | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic Folsom blueprints | 17:40 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | Just picked Nova for example for this week. | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Nova blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/folsom - Total 55 | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Folsom-1 specific https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-1 total 15 | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Implemented - 6 | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | 6 blueprints already implemented . | 17:41 |
| Ravikumar_hp | just wanted to discuss how we are going to catch up on those blueprints | 17:42 |
| Ravikumar_hp | in terms of spliting test development for those blueprints among us ? | 17:43 |
| Ravikumar_hp | folsom-1 phase is almost complete next week or so | 17:44 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: we have a priority for stable/essex in the near time frame, so not much towards folsom :( | 17:44 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: ok | 17:45 |
| Ravikumar_hp | from our side , we want to give priority to Folsom branch | 17:45 |
| Ravikumar_hp | may be we need to discuss this further whan Jay and Daryl around next week | 17:46 |
| Ravikumar_hp | next topic? | 17:46 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic Testing Folsom branches | 17:47 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | i was about to ask question to Jay | 17:47 |
| Ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: Trying to understand the environment that is setup for Folsom testing (some name like jclouds or so multi node) . Is the plan is to run only tempest gated smoke tests in that environment ? how frequenctly the env is cleaned ? | 17:47 |
| Ravikumar_hp | as Folsom is primarily focussed on stability , we need environment to test long running /stress tests | 17:48 |
| Ravikumar_hp | anyone has any suggestions/questions? | 17:49 |
| Ravikumar_hp | otherwise , we will have the discussion next week | 17:49 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok . next topic | 17:50 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #topic Open discussion | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 17:50 | |
| JoseSwiftQA | heh, no luck :D | 17:50 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok . | 17:50 |
| Ravikumar_hp | anyone has any items to discuss in open discussion | 17:50 |
| fattarsi | not I | 17:51 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Going once ? | 17:51 |
| Ravikumar_hp | twice? | 17:51 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | oh wait! | 17:52 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ok | 17:52 |
| JoseSwiftQA | no just kidding :)_ | 17:52 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Thanks | 17:52 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 17 17:52:22 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-17.04.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-17.04.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-17.04.log.html | 17:52 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 17 18:01:12 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| jgriffith | volume folks around today? | 18:01 |
| rnirmal | I'm here | 18:01 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: howdy! | 18:01 |
| rnirmal | hey jgriffith ... hope it's not another silent meeting :) | 18:02 |
| jgriffith | rnimral: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7537/ when you get a chance? | 18:02 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: me too | 18:02 |
| jgriffith | Folks are typically a few minutes late, or jump in when they see their name mentioned :) | 18:03 |
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| rnirmal | jgriffith: I looked at it... and fell I'll have to run it to get a gauge, that's a lot of chagnes... great job putting it together | 18:03 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yeah, it's a big set, but the good thing is it's realy just a copy of novaclient | 18:03 |
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| rnirmal | jgriffith: that's good, yeah I'll look thru it. | 18:04 |
| jgriffith | rnimral: anotherjesse made a bunch of changes to strip extras out and get it running on his cloud | 18:04 |
| rnirmal | do you know if this will get merged in soon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7406/ | 18:04 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Just waiting on an approve... changes to transfer to cinder I don't believe | 18:04 |
| jgriffith | changes *don't* transfer to cinder | 18:05 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: ok just checking... atleast it affects us in nova right now | 18:05 |
| rnirmal | and would like to get in soon | 18:05 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yeah, it's out of my hands now :) | 18:05 |
| rnirmal | I'll ask vishy if it's pending other +1's | 18:05 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: do you just want to talk about cinder client and where we are with it. others can atleast look at the meeting mins. | 18:06 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: yep, I was going to run through cinder status updates real quick | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | #topic cinder status | 18:07 |
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| DuncanT | oooops, hi all | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | Yo | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | So the big news right now is python-cinderclient | 18:07 |
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| jgriffith | It's working, unit tests passing etc | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | anotherjesse tweaked an os setup yesterday and plugged it into horizon | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | was able to test it against nova-volume | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | create/delete etc | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | Looks good | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | dtroyer is working on devstack integration... he had one submittal for it already | 18:09 |
| jgriffith | I tried it out this morning and hit a couple of issues, but there are some changes to what we're going to do and I believe he's working on them | 18:09 |
| jgriffith | The idea is to be able to use cinderclient to do all of the nova-volume stuff | 18:10 |
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| jgriffith | This way we have something to test against | 18:10 |
| rnirmal | cool... so is the plan to remove nova volume-* from novaclient. or keep it till the next release | 18:10 |
| rnirmal | and switch to cinderclient for all volume purposes | 18:10 |
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| jgriffith | Depending on how things go I could see it out for Folsom and switched to cinder | 18:10 |
| jgriffith | But we'll have to prove things out pretty well before that happens | 18:11 |
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| jgriffith | Or we may do like quantum and have both, don't know where those discussions ended but we'll have them again | 18:11 |
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| rnirmal | ok | 18:11 |
| jgriffith | So we have a working client, we're getting things set up now for devstack to let us actually use cinder or nova-volume | 18:12 |
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| jgriffith | There are some new blueprints to look at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder | 18:12 |
| jgriffith | If you pull up: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/python-cinder-client | 18:13 |
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| jgriffith | you cna see jesse put together a dependency graph that you can click on for the various pieces | 18:13 |
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| rnirmal | cool that looks good. we have a set of blueprints to move forward on | 18:14 |
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| rnirmal | are we going to start targeting them for milestones? | 18:14 |
| jgriffith | Yes, I started that already I believe | 18:14 |
| jgriffith | cinderclient is f1 | 18:15 |
| jgriffith | I believe extract-nova-volumes is f2 | 18:15 |
| jgriffith | or it "is" | 18:15 |
| jgriffith | I think the others are sort of partials in f1 and targetted for f2 | 18:16 |
| jgriffith | I think that's the quick low down... | 18:16 |
| jgriffith | anything people are wondering about specifically or might know that I missed? | 18:17 |
| rnirmal | nothing that I can think of for the immediate short term | 18:17 |
| jgriffith | The next thing I was going to start looking at was implementing the ability to specify cinder in nova | 18:17 |
| jgriffith | ie alternate volume driver | 18:17 |
| jgriffith | for a while we want to keep both obviously | 18:18 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: hmmm alternate volume manager or volume driver? | 18:18 |
| jgriffith | sorry...neither | 18:18 |
| jgriffith | API :) | 18:18 |
| jgriffith | plugin like glane and quantum do... | 18:18 |
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| jgriffith | or "configurable" I guess is the right way to say it | 18:19 |
| rnirmal | yeah... should be easy just switching endpoints | 18:19 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: famous last words | 18:20 |
| rnirmal | :) | 18:20 |
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| jgriffith | don't think I have much else if there aren't any items other folks want to talk about? | 18:21 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: do you want to briefly discuss keeping things in sync between nova-volumes and cinder | 18:21 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: sure | 18:21 |
| rnirmal | back porting or forward porting | 18:21 |
| jgriffith | So we're comitted to staying in sync obviously | 18:21 |
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| jgriffith | I don't know of any big changes/bp's coming to worry about | 18:21 |
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| rnirmal | that's one thing I think we kinda decided upon | 18:22 |
| rnirmal | no new features in nova-volumes.. they'll just go into cinder | 18:22 |
| jgriffith | at the stage cinder is at right now it shouldn't be a major issue | 18:22 |
| rnirmal | but it's mostly about bugs and minor enhancements | 18:22 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: ahhh... well.... | 18:22 |
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| jgriffith | I tihnk if a feature is proposed it has to be addressed on a case by case | 18:22 |
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| jgriffith | cinder isn't in and core yet so nova-volume has to continue IMHO | 18:23 |
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| rnirmal | +1 on that. but how do we keep track of the changes | 18:23 |
| jgriffith | In most cases it might mean it's implemented in both places like cpq16's work | 18:23 |
| rnirmal | I guess we'll just have to follow and volume changes | 18:23 |
| rnirmal | and/any | 18:23 |
| rnirmal | yeah I asked cp16 to get it into both | 18:24 |
| jgriffith | So I check gerrit constantly... also I would hope that nova core keeps transition in mind | 18:24 |
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| rnirmal | so looks like we'll just have to be on the lookout | 18:24 |
| rnirmal | so there's one bug/enhancement I submitted to nova.. haven't done to cinder yet.. I'll do that soon | 18:24 |
| jgriffith | also although it may be lame I'm doing diffs between cinder and nova-v every once in a while | 18:25 |
| jgriffith | rnimral: which one? | 18:25 |
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| rnirmal | jgriffith: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/992729 | 18:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 992729 in nova "Add 'host' name to initialize/terminate volume connection" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 18:25 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: they can't just work off of the ip address? | 18:26 |
| rnirmal | it's easier to for managing with hostnames.. they can work off ip address | 18:26 |
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| jgriffith | ok, thus enhancement versus bug :) | 18:27 |
| rnirmal | yeah.. not all drivers have to use it | 18:27 |
| jgriffith | Ya know I could solve this problem more easily for you..... ;) | 18:27 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: yeah I hear you | 18:28 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 18:28 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... | 18:28 |
| rnirmal | so coming back to the point... how do we solve this... just make then as affecting both projects | 18:28 |
| rnirmal | make/mark them | 18:28 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, fill in the also affects project | 18:29 |
| jgriffith | That's what I did at least | 18:29 |
| jgriffith | Seems like the right way to go to me | 18:29 |
| rnirmal | ok cool that works. just added that one.. so I'll do that for any volume changed in nova I come across | 18:30 |
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| jgriffith | excellent! | 18:30 |
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| jgriffith | #action jgriffith mention nova/cinder relationship for changes at next project meeting | 18:30 |
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| clayg | sorry I just joined, for cinder I'll look at the logs and try to be on time next week | 18:31 |
| jgriffith | I'll bring this up again at next project meeting, maybe if everybody on nova core is aware that will help | 18:31 |
| jgriffith | clayg: No worries... | 18:31 |
| jgriffith | clayg: If you had anything specific though feel free... | 18:31 |
| rnirmal | clayg: awesome...more participation is needed at this point | 18:31 |
| clayg | jgriffith: nothing specific, just trying to be more present | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | :) | 18:32 |
| DuncanT | Craig Vyvial's notification changes are the only thing I've really looked at this week. Been trying to get an answer off our billing people about whether we've had to add anything that isn't currently provided by Craig's patch. No definite answer yet | 18:33 |
| jgriffith | Yeah.. nice catch you and rnirmal on those reviews | 18:33 |
| jgriffith | DucnanT: keep us all in the loop if there ends up being more to come | 18:34 |
| jgriffith | again keeping nova-v and cinder in sync | 18:34 |
| rnirmal | DuncanT: that's good would like to get more input on that | 18:34 |
| rnirmal | we went with what we felt had the most info. but we would be missing some pieces in the notifications | 18:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Also if you get a chance https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7537/ | 18:35 |
| jgriffith | :) | 18:35 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to get that sucker pushed and close my personal repo ASAP | 18:35 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'll review that in the morning if not before | 18:35 |
| jgriffith | thanks! | 18:36 |
| jgriffith | Oh yeah... what time is it there? | 18:36 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: are you going to reset the openstack/python-cinderclient after that merge? | 18:36 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: yes, that was the plan | 18:36 |
| jgriffith | or I'm going to ask mtaylor to do it | 18:36 |
| DuncanT | 7:30 pm | 18:36 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: That reminds me, I think I promised you opening discussions on a differnt meeting time? | 18:37 |
| DuncanT | I was going to ask if anybody minded making things an hour earlier, since most of us are on summer time now and the meeting stayed at the same time utc | 18:37 |
| jgriffith | DucanT: QA meets in that slot but we could try before that maybe? | 18:38 |
| rnirmal | I'm ok with 1 or 2 hrs earlier. need to make sure there's no other conflicting meetings | 18:38 |
| DuncanT | Earlier is certainly better for me | 18:39 |
| jgriffith | clayg: work for you? | 18:39 |
| clayg | yup! | 18:40 |
| jgriffith | Cool... I'll send an email out for the benefit of those that aren't here | 18:40 |
| DuncanT | 5pm is metering, 6pm is QA, 7pm is our current slot, 9pm is orchestration | 18:40 |
| jgriffith | Ahh...metering did grab that slot? | 18:41 |
| DuncanT | According to the ICAL feed, yes | 18:41 |
| jgriffith | Oh, Thu!! I searched on Thur | 18:41 |
| jgriffith | hmph... that closes out Thursdays | 18:41 |
| rnirmal | Wednesday seems to be open during that time | 18:43 |
| DuncanT | I can do wednesdays | 18:43 |
| clayg | yes, is fine | 18:43 |
| jgriffith | ok... I'll send a note out | 18:44 |
| jgriffith | anything else? | 18:44 |
| jgriffith | anybody wanna write some cinder code? | 18:44 |
| jgriffith | :) | 18:44 |
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| jgriffith | ok, well let me know via email or irc if something comes up or you have ideas/bandwidth | 18:45 |
| jgriffith | If there's nothing else I'm going to go eat lunch :) | 18:46 |
| DuncanT | Bit late for lunch for me, but the bar is open.... | 18:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that sounds better... | 18:46 |
| jgriffith | #action jgriffith email proposal to switch meeting to Wed 2 hours earlier | 18:47 |
| jgriffith | Alright, see ya guys | 18:47 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 17 18:47:34 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-18.01.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-18.01.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-18.01.log.html | 18:47 |
| DuncanT | Cheerw | 18:47 |
| DuncanT | Cheers too | 18:47 |
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| maoy | n0ano: hello | 20:05 |
| n0ano | maoy, salud | 20:05 |
| n0ano | do we have anything for today? | 20:05 |
| maoy | i sent out a "nova state machine simplification and clarification" for discussion today | 20:06 |
| maoy | having a quiet reaction so far | 20:06 |
| maoy | did you see the email? | 20:07 |
| n0ano | early times, I'd give it a day or so to make sure all timezones have a chance to re-act. | 20:07 |
| n0ano | I see it, been busy, I'll try and go over it this afternoon. | 20:07 |
| maoy | cool. | 20:08 |
| maoy | the feature branch is also updated, with localized task management feature | 20:09 |
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| maoy | so that the compute worker doesn't have to talk to a db | 20:09 |
| n0ano | #startmeeting | 20:09 |
| maoy | per vishy's suggestion | 20:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 17 20:09:38 2012 UTC. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:09 |
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| n0ano | So is the feature branch in your documentation/email or is that separate | 20:10 |
| maoy | no that's separate. | 20:10 |
| maoy | https://github.com/maoy/nova/tree/orchestration | 20:10 |
| n0ano | you might want to consider replying to your email with some details on the feature branch then, just to let people know | 20:10 |
| maoy | sure | 20:11 |
| maoy | i wonder which is better | 20:11 |
| maoy | github feature branch vs gerrit reviews | 20:11 |
| n0ano | good question, maybe someone on the list can say, I don't know. | 20:12 |
| maoy | i see some people send in WIP for reviews. | 20:12 |
| maoy | it's marked as do not submit. | 20:12 |
| maoy | but perhaps easier to track? | 20:12 |
| maoy | anyway. | 20:12 |
| n0ano | I predict you'll find out the best way soon. | 20:12 |
| maoy | :) | 20:13 |
| maoy | that's all from me | 20:15 |
| n0ano | nothing from me. It's 15 after, I think we can close the meeting unless you have anything else. | 20:15 |
| maoy | agree | 20:16 |
| maoy | ttyl | 20:16 |
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| n0ano | next time | 20:16 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 20:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 17 20:16:24 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-20.09.html | 20:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-20.09.txt | 20:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-17-20.09.log.html | 20:16 |
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