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| ayoung | Are we having the Keystone meeting? | 18:12 |
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| joesavak | hi ayoung... i was wondering the same thing | 18:12 |
| ayoung | joesavak, no sign of zns | 18:12 |
| joesavak | yeah - i think he's in an all-day meeting. I'll start the meeting anyway and run through a status | 18:13 |
| joesavak | 1 sec | 18:13 |
| joesavak | #start-meeting Keystone-weekly | 18:13 |
| ayoung | #startmeeting Keystone-weekly | 18:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 10 18:13:35 2012 UTC. The chair is ayoung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone-weekly)" | 18:13 | |
| joesavak | ah there we go | 18:13 |
| joesavak | thanks | 18:13 |
| joesavak | #topic status and progress | 18:13 |
| joesavak | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-3 | 18:14 |
| joesavak | things are moving along nicely from what i see | 18:14 |
| joesavak | a lot of refactoring has been done including keystone-manage | 18:15 |
| joesavak | #topic open-discussion | 18:16 |
| joesavak | any issues/questions? I can forward them on to zns if needed... | 18:16 |
| ayoung | I've taken over work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/856887 | 18:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856887 in keystone "Keystone cannot listen on IPv6" [Medium,In progress] | 18:16 |
| ayoung | IPv6 | 18:16 |
| ayoung | Not sure if I can grab it, or if and admin needs to assign it to me | 18:17 |
| joesavak | ok - is zns aware? | 18:17 |
| ayoung | joesavak, yes | 18:17 |
| joesavak | then i say grab it | 18:17 |
| ayoung | it is really an eventlet issue, and we've been having the discussions there | 18:17 |
| joesavak | that'll avoid any confusion. | 18:17 |
| ayoung | I might not have permissions to grab it. | 18:17 |
| joesavak | are you aka sleepsonthefloor? | 18:18 |
| joesavak | i think i can re-assign | 18:18 |
| ayoung | OK, I have it | 18:18 |
| joesavak | awesome... thanks | 18:18 |
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| joesavak | any other issues/comments? | 18:19 |
| joesavak | ok - quick, late meeting. Thanks ayoung! | 18:19 |
| joesavak | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
| joesavak | ayoung, can you #endmeeting? (thanks) | 18:21 |
| gyee | http://etherpad.openstack.org/endpoint-location is currently targeted for E3 | 18:21 |
| gyee | but so far no comments on etherpad | 18:21 |
| joesavak | that's this BP? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/service-endpoint-location | 18:22 |
| gyee | yes | 18:23 |
| joesavak | ok - i'll take a look at it today | 18:23 |
| gyee | does that mean its approved and ready to be implemented | 18:23 |
| gyee | joesavak, thanks! | 18:23 |
| joesavak | i think jason & zns were talking about this quite a bit... so i don't think anything in the etherpad should be surprising | 18:24 |
| joesavak | is this being built as an extension? | 18:24 |
| joesavak | hmm - i think it should be an extension. Including location element wrapper and removing region could be a core-breaking change | 18:25 |
| joesavak | i'll put my notes in the etherpad and BP whiteboard. Thanks gyee | 18:26 |
| gyee | sounds good. I'll scope the effort once we have all the info. | 18:28 |
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| jeblair | mtaylor: ci meeting today? | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: sure, why not? | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | mtaylor: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | joesavak: hey - perhaps endmeeting the keystone meeting? | 19:02 |
| ayoung | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 10 19:02:44 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-18.13.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-18.13.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-18.13.log.html | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | ayoung: thanks! | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 10 19:02:59 2012 UTC. The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 19:03 |
| mtaylor | ayoung: do we need to add you to keystone-drivers team? | 19:03 |
| jeblair | proposed item: vishy suggested: | 19:04 |
| jeblair | 22:15 < vishy> jeblair: also is it possible to just put a note on the merge prop instead of blocking propsing for people that haven't signed the cla | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | hrm | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | I think honestly we might want to get a legal opinion from someone ... | 19:04 |
| jeblair | here's why i don't want to do it that way: | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | AIUI, the CLA is a requirement for contributing, and it could be argued that uploading that patch to gerrit is a contribution, whether it gets merged or not | 19:05 |
| jeblair | 1) it's very clear upfront what is required _before_ you submit something | 19:05 |
| jeblair | (what you said is a similar thought, i think, but even stronger) | 19:06 |
| mtaylor | should we get a legal opinion from someone who isn't NAL? | 19:06 |
| jeblair | 2) it's an extra hurdle people have to go through before they start using our resources | 19:06 |
| jeblair | ie, i feel a little more comfortable about running pre-commit jobs on things if everyone who uploads has gone through the cla process | 19:06 |
| mtaylor | that's a good point too | 19:07 |
| mtaylor | and we don't need a lawyer for that one | 19:07 |
| mtaylor | also - it's only really a bitch right now while we're cleaning up the cla membership for folks who are already contributors | 19:07 |
| jeblair | i mean, it's no guarantee about their intentions, but it's obvious cost prohibitive to run a spambot operation using our jenkins slaves if you have to commit purjury every time you want to do it. | 19:07 |
| jeblair | i agree with that as well. | 19:07 |
| mtaylor | I doubt it's going to be ongoingly annyoing | 19:08 |
| jeblair | 3) other large projects with CLAs get them out of the way up-front; eg, android | 19:08 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: also, from that timestamp - you were working late last night :) | 19:09 |
| jeblair | 3b) the built in gerrit method of handling CLAs, which I think is fairly friendly, and we should move to if we want to keep the cla in the long term (perhaps after the lawyers have a break after setting up the foundation) also does CLA upfront | 19:09 |
| jeblair | (end of list) | 19:09 |
| * mtaylor agrees with jeblair's list | 19:09 | |
| jeblair | yeah, devstack gating job wasn't behaving well: | 19:09 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#change,2929 | 19:09 |
| jeblair | that should help | 19:10 |
| jeblair | (or more specifically, RS public cloud wasn't behaving well, that should work around the problem) | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | looks good | 19:11 |
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| mtaylor | so - speaking of requests ... we got a request from notmyname which I filed a bug for | 19:11 |
| mtaylor | which is to not have votes generate automatic comment text | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | I think most specifically -1 and -2 were the ones that initially generated annoyance, and the original request was to change their text ... but then as the conversation went on, the request changed to just having them not generate text at all | 19:13 |
| jeblair | for jenkins, or for people? | 19:13 |
| mtaylor | for people | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | 10:54 <notmyname> " I don't really understand why I need/want an automated comment for my comment field I'm filling out." | 19:14 |
| jeblair | does he just not want email, or also doesn't want it to show up in the web history? | 19:15 |
| mtaylor | I think he doesn't want the text "I would prefer you didn't submit this" to be pre-pended to the comments that the reviewer actually writes | 19:15 |
| mtaylor | so that the review would actually just be the words that the reviewer typed | 19:16 |
| jeblair | ok. so those serve an important function in that they record the voting history for a review | 19:16 |
| jeblair | without them, you would not be able to see that someone had, say, voted -1, then voted +2 later | 19:17 |
| mtaylor | isn't that recorded by the actual +1/-1 vote? ... AH | 19:17 |
| mtaylor | ok, gotcha | 19:17 |
| jeblair | however, that text is easily configurable. | 19:17 |
| jeblair | http://paste.openstack.org/show/4214/ | 19:18 |
| jeblair | ^ current values. | 19:18 |
| uvirtbot | jeblair: Error: "current" is not a valid command. | 19:18 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: bug number? | 19:19 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: ok - I'll try to get some feedback on what "better" values might be | 19:19 |
| mtaylor | 914431 | 19:20 |
| mtaylor | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/914431 | 19:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 914431 in openstack-ci "remove automatic comment text from reviews" [Low,Triaged] | 19:20 |
| jeblair | i updated the bug with my comments here. | 19:22 |
| mtaylor | awesome | 19:22 |
| mtaylor | #topic New Team Member | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Team Member" | 19:22 | |
| mtaylor | for anyone who happens to be lurking - I'd like to welcome LinuxJedi to the team | 19:22 |
| heckj | ?? cool | 19:22 |
| LinuxJedi | hi :) | 19:22 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: thanks :) | 19:23 |
| jeblair | welcome! | 19:23 |
| heckj | welcome! | 19:23 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi and I worked together back at MySQL AB, and then as core devs on Drizzle. he's awesome, you're all going to love him | 19:23 |
| LinuxJedi | lol, not sure about that, but I'll do my best to bring some awesomeness to our team :) | 19:24 |
| mtaylor | :) | 19:24 |
| mtaylor | and on that note ... | 19:25 |
| mtaylor | #topic expiring stale reviews | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "expiring stale reviews" | 19:25 | |
| heckj | +1-00! | 19:25 |
| LinuxJedi | ah, my new pet script | 19:25 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi has written some code to expire stale reviews ... we're currently going with stale == no activity for 2 weeks OR bad review plus no activity for 1 week | 19:25 |
| mtaylor | anybody have any dissent on those timeframes? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i think the script is looking great so far. i'm not sure if i have dissent, as such... | 19:26 |
| jeblair | but i am worried. | 19:26 |
| LinuxJedi | jeblair: sorry about expiring almost everything on the dev site ;) | 19:26 |
| heckj | that timeframe seems pretty reasonable to me - there's a lot of "old crap" out there now. | 19:26 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: i'm not sure our patches to quantum will land in that timeframe, for instance. | 19:26 |
| jeblair | LinuxJedi: no! great! that saves me so much clicking! | 19:27 |
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| heckj | I thought one of you hit the mailing list and received some consensus on that timing too... | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: no? | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | heckj: did we? | 19:27 |
| jeblair | but since you can always 'un-abandon' a review, so it's not like too much is lost. | 19:27 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: jaypipes updated the review to say he was happy now I think | 19:27 |
| heckj | Am i recalling just an IRC conversation then? | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | heckj: might have been IRC convo | 19:28 |
| jaypipes | LinuxJedi: I'm always happy with you :) | 19:28 |
| LinuxJedi | lol! :) | 19:28 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: I agree re: un-abandon - I think it's safe enough to roll out and then deal with carnage as it happens, yeah/ | 19:28 |
| jeblair | but right now, gerrit does have the useful feature of showing me patches that i've submitted that people are slacking off on. in the future, people will have to watch out for reviews being expired and take action. | 19:28 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: I need to do one more minor update to it today anyway (info logging goes to stdout at the moment so you will get lots of cron mail) so if timing needs to be changed then tonight is a good time to do it | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: we could add a new status :) | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: "stale" :) | 19:29 |
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| heckj | can we hide that state by default? | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi: awesome. I think 2 weeks/1 week is fine for a start | 19:30 |
| jeblair | mtaylor is being slightly facetious -- adding a state is hard, but we're looking into adding "work in progress" nonetheless. | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | heckj: oh, I was mostly kidding about that - jeblair is already working on adding a "work in progress" state | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | jinx | 19:30 |
| jeblair | i think stale is overkill, abandon is probably the right thing here. | 19:31 |
| heckj | Oh - okay :-) | 19:31 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: cool, very easy to tune later. I can always update the script at a later date to use a config file to set it | 19:31 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi: good point | 19:31 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi: hey, as soon as you're happy with that script you get to write a puppet config patch! yay for first-week learning curve! :) | 19:31 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: yep, I was just about to look at that before I had to leave earlier, will try and get a peak tonight | 19:32 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi: you're going to love it | 19:33 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: and learning a new programming language to write the thing was more learning that I expected to do already this week, let alone everything else ;) | 19:33 |
| * mtaylor has a new goal - make LinuxJedi learn a new langauge every week ... | 19:34 | |
| jeblair | sounds groovy. | 19:34 |
| LinuxJedi | haha :) | 19:34 |
| mtaylor | hahah | 19:34 |
| * LinuxJedi re-writes mtaylor's scripts in brainf**k | 19:34 | |
| mtaylor | awesome | 19:34 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: jeblair just filed a bug for it, but we're working on your glance config files for S3 testing and whatnot | 19:35 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: rock on brotherman. | 19:36 |
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| mtaylor | I think that's all we've got for this week | 19:37 |
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| mtaylor | next week jeblair and I will be in Australia, where this meeting starts at 6am | 19:37 |
| mtaylor | so I'm not promising that it's going to happen :) | 19:37 |
| mtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 19:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 10 19:39:03 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-19.02.html | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-19.02.txt | 19:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-19.02.log.html | 19:39 |
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| reed | somebody update the topic of this channel to --> Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/ | 20:48 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
| notmyname | hi | 20:59 |
| ttx | jaypipes, vishy, devcamcar: ping | 21:00 |
| ttx | anyone replacing zns for Keystone ? | 21:00 |
| ttx | ... | 21:02 |
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| soren | Tough crowd. | 21:03 |
| ttx | let's wait a bit more | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | ttx: pong | 21:03 |
| ttx | 2/5 | 21:04 |
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| ttx | joesavak: feeling like replacing zns ? | 21:04 |
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| joesavak | ttx: nope - but i'll do the meeting. :) | 21:05 |
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| ttx | ok, let's start and hope that vishy and devcamcar will join | 21:05 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 10 21:06:00 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:06 |
| ttx | Today's agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:06 |
| ttx | Stay until the end -- we'll discuss the F release name :) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | sure sure. keep it for the end so we all stick around :-) | 21:06 |
| ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 21:06 |
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| jaypipes | hehe | 21:06 |
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| LinuxJedi_tablet | :) | 21:07 |
| ttx | vishy had two actions... | 21:07 |
| ttx | * vishy to ping vladimir3p about volume-type-scheduler status | 21:07 |
| ttx | * vishy to look up unplanned E3/E4 blueprints and confirm/unconfirm them | 21:07 |
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| ttx | that second one was done... for the first one we'll talk about it during Nova status, if he joins | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:08 |
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| ttx | joesavak: o/ | 21:08 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:08 |
| joesavak | \o | 21:08 |
| ttx | Is the status on this page accurate, afayct ? | 21:08 |
| joesavak | Yup. | 21:08 |
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| ttx | About https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/service-endpoint-location | 21:09 |
| ttx | If you didn't hear anything from HP, I suppose we should remove it from the E3 targets ? | 21:09 |
| joesavak | Endpoint location has not started yet but had conversations today from gyee on it today. I'm assuming he/she is hp | 21:09 |
| gyee | service endpoing location blueprint will not make E3 | 21:09 |
| joesavak | they were waiting for feedback which I provided and anyone else can review too. | 21:09 |
| joesavak | thanks gyee | 21:10 |
| ttx | gyee: E3 is feature freeze for Keystone. Does that mean it won't make Essex ? | 21:10 |
| gyee | it won't make E3 | 21:10 |
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| ttx | gyee: ok, you should talk to zns for retargeting / getting a post-E3 exception / deferring to F | 21:11 |
| joesavak | this should be developed as an extension, so i'm not sure if any service is dependent on it | 21:11 |
| gyee | k | 21:11 |
| ttx | #action gyee to talk to zns about service-endpoint-location milestone targeting | 21:11 |
| joesavak | if that's the case then maybe delivery in e-4 is ok | 21:11 |
| ttx | joesavak: Are those two still on track for completion in the next two weeks: | 21:12 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-refactor-backend (zns) | 21:12 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-client (anotherjesse) | 21:12 |
| joesavak | Yes | 21:12 |
| ttx | joesavak: Anything else ? | 21:12 |
| joesavak | Nope | 21:12 |
| ttx | Questions for Keystone ? | 21:12 |
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| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:13 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:13 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:13 |
| notmyname | we released swift 1.4.5 yesterday | 21:13 |
| notmyname | https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CHANGELOG | 21:14 |
| notmyname | we'll probably have a fairly fast follow for 1.4.6 | 21:14 |
| devcamcar | o/ | 21:14 |
| notmyname | we'd like to get form uploading (ie upload stuff to swift from html forms) in a release asap | 21:14 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, if we could get a bit more of an advance notice next time, would be great | 21:15 |
| * jaypipes imagines uploading image files via HTML to Swift... | 21:15 | |
| notmyname | jaypipes: yup | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 21:15 |
| ttx | notmyname: Anything else ? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | I don't think so. any questions? | 21:16 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:17 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: yo! We missed you last week. | 21:17 |
| ttx | What's Glance stance about feature blueprints vs. milestones ? | 21:17 |
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| ttx | All major features must land by E3 ? All features must land by E3 ? Or is it E4 ? | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | ttx: ok... let me summarize | 21:18 |
| ttx | jaypipes: you can use #info :) | 21:18 |
| Guest36549 | #info | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | #info E3 is not going to contain any more blueprints with one possible exception: a cut-down image replication system | 21:19 |
| ttx | jaypipes: so refactor-internal-api is deferred ? | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | #info jay in process of negotiating what that image replication might entail with some Glance users (gcampbell and others). See blueprint here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/zones-replication | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: no. that is in E3... already has been targeted. | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: I meant no *further* blueprints... sorry. | 21:20 |
| ttx | ok | 21:21 |
| ttx | and will you have features in E4 ? | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | johannes got protected-images blueprint implemented and bcwaldon has just completed the multi-processing-server blueprint and should go in today. | 21:21 |
| ttx | or is E3 a feature freeze ? | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | ttx: no, there will be no features in E4 -- with the possible exception if the image-replication mentioned above is agreed upon and slips from E3 to early E4. | 21:22 |
| ttx | jaypipes: Who is/willbe working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/refactor-internal-api ? | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | ttx: however there will be NO 2.0 API stuff worked on in the essex release series. | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | ttx: myself and bcwaldon most likely. | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | ttx: and most of that work (refactor-internal-api) will be prep work for the 2.0 API series work... | 21:23 |
| ttx | assigning to you, please reassign if necessary | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | ttx: k | 21:23 |
| ttx | jaypipes: Anything else ? | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | ttx: nope, that's it for now. I'd like to thank the myriad contributors that have come out of the woodwork this cycle to help. much appreciated! | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | #thankyou :) | 21:23 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:24 |
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| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:25 |
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| ttx | vishy: hey | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | in case people thought the above was sarcastic, it definitely was not! please see new contributors in E3 milestone... | 21:25 |
| vishy | hi | 21:25 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:25 |
| vishy | in response to the earlier action items | 21:25 |
| ttx | jaypipes: good! your calls for help haven't been in vain! | 21:25 |
| vishy | vladimir said he was going to try to do that branch this week | 21:25 |
| ttx | vishy: do we have a plan B ? If this is Essential... | 21:26 |
| vishy | ttx: we don't I think we may have to downgrade it | 21:26 |
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| ttx | vishy: if it's important but we can live without, should be High | 21:26 |
| ttx | vishy: or would you consider it for post-E3 soft frozen world ? | 21:27 |
| vishy | changed | 21:27 |
| ttx | vishy: Would like to get a bit of progress status on a few more bps: | 21:27 |
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| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/interim-nova-authz-service (vishy) -- is that one complete ? | 21:27 |
| vishy | no | 21:28 |
| vishy | still has a few more merge props | 21:28 |
| vishy | reassigned to waldon | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | thanks! | 21:28 |
| vishy | he's doing the first prop today (for compute) | 21:28 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/separate-nova-adminapi (bcwaldon) -- Is there more to do on this one ? | 21:29 |
| vishy | then we still have to do network and volume | 21:29 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: yes, been side tracked lately | 21:29 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstack-api-ssl (HP) -- No progress on this since Nov 21, does it need to move out of the plan ? | 21:29 |
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| vishy | looks like hp has fallen behind on that one | 21:30 |
| vishy | i will ping them | 21:30 |
| ttx | #action vishy to ping HP on openstack-api-ssl status | 21:30 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scaling-zones (comstud) -- What's the status of this one ? Started ? | 21:30 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-floating-ip-ranges (vishy) -- Is that one now complete ? | 21:31 |
| vishy | i think comstud has started it | 21:31 |
| vishy | second is complete, will mark | 21:32 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-parity-floating (bhall) -- What's the priority of that one ? | 21:32 |
| westmaas | ttx: comstud has started that one. | 21:32 |
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| ttx | westmaas: will mark started | 21:32 |
| ttx | vishy: priority for nova-parity-floating ? Low ? | 21:33 |
| vishy | yeah changed | 21:34 |
| ttx | vishy: Anything else ? | 21:34 |
| vishy | ttx: reviews are lagging a bit | 21:34 |
| vishy | people are avoiding some of the larger 3rd party patches | 21:34 |
| vishy | but other than that I think we're doing ok | 21:34 |
| ttx | vishy: I wonder why :) | 21:34 |
| ttx | Nova subteam leads: anything on your side ? | 21:34 |
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| ttx | Anyone else: Questions on Nova ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:35 |
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| ttx | devcamcar: o/ | 21:35 |
| devcamcar | o/ | 21:36 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:36 |
| ttx | Is the status here accurate ? | 21:36 |
| devcamcar | yes | 21:36 |
| ttx | So https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ext-roles is not started yet ? | 21:36 |
| * ttx doesn't like Essential specs that are "not started" :) | 21:36 | |
| devcamcar | ttx: correct | 21:36 |
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| devcamcar | me neither :) | 21:36 |
| ttx | devcamcar: still confident on delivery ? I have no idea of the amount of work involved. | 21:36 |
| devcamcar | we'll know in the next day or two whether that one will be deliverable | 21:37 |
| ttx | devcamcar: plan B is to defer to early E4 ? | 21:37 |
| devcamcar | yes | 21:37 |
| ttx | devcamcar: Anything else ? | 21:37 |
| devcamcar | nope! | 21:37 |
| devcamcar | quick and easy :) | 21:37 |
| ttx | Questions for Horizon ? | 21:37 |
| devcamcar | oh i do have one minor point - we got some localization pull requests | 21:37 |
| devcamcar | while we are also changing a bunch of things | 21:37 |
| devcamcar | so i've asked folks to plan on contributing localization updates starting march 1st | 21:38 |
| devcamcar | things should stop moving so much then | 21:38 |
| ttx | +1 | 21:38 |
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| ttx | #topic Incubated projects and other Team reports | 21:39 |
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| ttx | danwent, troytoman-away: o/ | 21:39 |
| danwent | hello | 21:39 |
| danwent | e-3 for quantum is in the "not great, not terrible" state: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:39 |
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| danwent | probably need to boot out a few things that haven't been started, but waiting with devs to confirm. | 21:40 |
| danwent | we're also working with the openstack-common folks to identify good candidates of stuff that can be removed from quantum codebase to openstack-common | 21:40 |
| tr3buchet | hmm | 21:40 |
| ttx | danwent: I heard you plan to reuse the same bug squashing day as Nova, on Feb 2, with a slightly different objective ? | 21:41 |
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| danwent | finally, there's a thread on the netstack ML (openstack CC'd) to figure out whether we want to integrate quantum with the legacy cloudpipe VPN, or just go ahead and create a separate service. | 21:41 |
| danwent | ttx: yes, plan is to focus on code quality, including code coverage, pylint, etc. | 21:41 |
| ttx | Feel free to add to http://wiki.openstack.org/BugSquashingDay/20120202 in preparation. | 21:41 |
| danwent | k | 21:41 |
| danwent | tre3buchet: a particular concern? | 21:41 |
| danwent | floating IP stuff for nova is coming along well. | 21:42 |
| ttx | tr3buchet always hmms. | 21:42 |
| danwent | :) | 21:42 |
| tr3buchet | yeah i'm all up in yur melanges codes at the moment | 21:42 |
| danwent | yuck :P | 21:42 |
| danwent | in nova you mean? | 21:42 |
| tr3buchet | both | 21:42 |
| tr3buchet | trying to get everything tied together at the moment | 21:43 |
| ttx | tr3buchet: anything you need help with ? | 21:43 |
| danwent | feel free to ping me offline | 21:43 |
| tr3buchet | ttx: not right at the moment | 21:43 |
| ttx | Any other team lead with a status report ? CI, docs ? | 21:43 |
| tr3buchet | danwent: will do | 21:43 |
| annegentle | Docs met yesterday, summary at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-09-20.03.html | 21:43 |
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| markmc | ttx, we should mention http://wiki.openstack.org/StableBranchRelease | 21:44 |
| annegentle | Looking into ways to make diffs easier on XML docs as well as serve users with API docs. | 21:44 |
| annegentle | The "usual" | 21:44 |
| ttx | markmc: go for it | 21:44 |
| markmc | ok, so we "release team" plan to do a 2011.3.1 release of nova and glance soonish | 21:44 |
| markmc | from the stable/diablo branch | 21:45 |
| markmc | it's all laid out in http://wiki.openstack.org/StableBranchRelease | 21:45 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/StableBranchRelease | 21:45 |
| markmc | vishy, I meant to ping you about it earlier | 21:45 |
| markmc | vishy, sounds sane and sensible earlier ? | 21:45 |
| vishy | cool! | 21:45 |
| ttx | #info "release team" plan to do a 2011.3.1 release of nova and glance soonish | 21:45 |
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| * markmc notes jaypipes generously signed off on the idea already | 21:45 | |
| markmc | vishy, thanks :) | 21:46 |
| markmc | ttx, should we set a release date or just see how it goes? | 21:46 |
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| ttx | markmc: I'd like us to get the bug series conversion done before... But we could set sometime next week | 21:46 |
| markmc | ttx, sounds good | 21:47 |
| ttx | markmc: to avoid collision with E3 release week | 21:47 |
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| ttx | probably Thursday next week. | 21:47 |
| ttx | with a candidate built on Tuesday | 21:47 |
| markmc | as the release date? | 21:47 |
| markmc | or an RC date? | 21:47 |
| ttx | RC tuesday, release thursday ? | 21:47 |
| markmc | ok, cool | 21:48 |
| ttx | I'll doublecheck by tomorrow but I think it should work | 21:48 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 21:48 | |
| ttx | There will be an OpenStack developers meeting during FOSDEM: | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/osdem | 21:48 |
| ttx | If you're around Brussels on February 4-5, please come and see us. | 21:49 |
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| ttx | And now, for the topic everyone was waiting for | 21:49 |
| ttx | The location for the next design summit has been decided: it should happen in San Francisco. | 21:49 |
| ttx | The date is not confirmed yet, but should be April 16-18. | 21:49 |
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| danwent | city by the bay! | 21:49 |
| ttx | So now is the time to play our usual release naming game ! | 21:50 |
| ttx | This time with cities and counties in California starting with F (single words, 10 character or less) | 21:50 |
| ttx | That gives the following candidates: | 21:50 |
| westmaas | Francisco | 21:50 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNaming | 21:50 |
| ttx | There are pretty good ones in there | 21:50 |
| ttx | I have a personal preference for "Fawnskin" | 21:50 |
| tr3buchet | ok guys | 21:50 |
| tr3buchet | and i'm series here | 21:50 |
| uksysadmin | lol @ttx | 21:50 |
| glenc | Felton is awesome - Big Trees Steam Railroad | 21:50 |
| danwent | folsom is a city and street fair | 21:50 |
| tr3buchet | Frankenstein | 21:51 |
| tr3buchet | it's time to put the pieces together and make it walk | 21:51 |
| ttx | tr3buchet: that's not a city in California, and it's too long :P | 21:51 |
| wwkeyboard | Folsom? | 21:51 |
| jkoelker | Folsem | 21:51 |
| bhall | fontana | 21:51 |
| dragondm | and a prison. | 21:51 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: google about folsom street fair, if you dare | 21:51 |
| jaypipes | Fillmore. | 21:51 |
| ttx | I like that Freestone has "free" and "stone", but I still prefer Fawnskin. | 21:52 |
| uksysadmin | http://www.theus50.com/california/cities.php | 21:52 |
| wwkeyboard | danwent: it's also the subject of many songs | 21:52 |
| glenc | Felton - http://www.roaringcamp.com/ | 21:52 |
| tr3buchet | wonder if we could found a town called Frankenstein | 21:52 |
| ttx | uksysadmin: oh, there are a few new ones in there. | 21:52 |
| tr3buchet | i could be mayor | 21:52 |
| uksysadmin | tax, nothing like foreskin … I mean… | 21:53 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: yes, indeed | 21:53 |
| westmaas | anyone know how to pronounce firebaugh? | 21:53 |
| soren | westmaas: Doesn't matter. Noone knew how to pronounce Bexar either. | 21:53 |
| uksysadmin | Fortuna sounds good… but a bit fishy | 21:53 |
| westmaas | heh | 21:53 |
| joesavak | For tuna | 21:53 |
| dabo | against tuna | 21:54 |
| ttx | I'll start a Launchpad poll with those options tomorrow, and will announce it on the ML. | 21:54 |
| glenc | O Fortuna, velut luna, statu variabilis. Could be appropriate. | 21:54 |
| ttx | I'll include the missing stuff from http://www.theus50.com/california/cities.php | 21:54 |
| ttx | (Finley, Fellows and Friant) | 21:54 |
| tr3buchet | well if i had to pick it'd be Flournoy | 21:54 |
| ttx | oh, Flournoy. | 21:55 |
| tr3buchet | !! | 21:55 |
| openstack | tr3buchet: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 21:55 |
| tr3buchet | :{ | 21:55 |
| ttx | wow, plenty of good options. That poll will be disputed. | 21:55 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:55 |
| joesavak | OpenStack austin meetup tonight | 21:56 |
| joesavak | http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-Austin/ | 21:56 |
| ttx | ok then. | 21:57 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 10 21:57:21 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-21.06.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-21.06.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-21.06.log.html | 21:57 |
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| danwent | o/ netstack | 21:59 |
| carlp | o/ | 21:59 |
| markvoelker1 | o/ | 22:00 |
| danwent | hey mark, long time no irc | 22:00 |
| GheRivero_ | o/ | 22:00 |
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| davlap | o/ | 22:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 22:00 |
| danwent | ok, quite a crowd | 22:00 |
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| danwent | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 10 22:00:53 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | hi! | 22:01 |
| danwent | #info agenda http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 22:01 |
| edgarmagana | hello! | 22:01 |
| danwent | hello! | 22:01 |
| somik | hi folks! | 22:01 |
| danwent | #topic Quantum Status | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quantum Status" | 22:01 | |
| danwent | We are now a short two weeks out from code freeze for Essex-3 | 22:01 |
| danwent | https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-3 | 22:02 |
| danwent | still have a couple of things in 'unkown' | 22:02 |
| danwent | so let's get that cleaned up ASAP | 22:02 |
| danwent | hopefully all of the 'started' items won't change to 'code review' at the last minute. | 22:03 |
| danwent | any general comments on E-3? | 22:03 |
| cdub | have a prioritizied list? | 22:03 |
| danwent | cdub: you mean in terms of reviews? | 22:04 |
| cdub | yeah | 22:04 |
| cdub | i suppose launchpad has some priority already | 22:04 |
| danwent | we usually go roughly by the 'priority' field of the bp or bug | 22:04 |
| danwent | with a bias toward things that got in "on time" | 22:05 |
| danwent | or (heaven forbid) early | 22:05 |
| danwent | Ok, on to reviews. | 22:05 |
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| danwent | #link: reviews are already piling up: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/quantum,n,z | 22:06 |
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| danwent | would be good if every core dev could do one or two reviews this week, to make sure that we clean the pipeline for the new reviews that will come at the end of the cycle. | 22:06 |
| danwent | most current reviews are pretty small, and if you act quickly, you can pick the easiest ones :P | 22:06 |
| salv-orlando | Can you guys remind me how the new approval process works? can the same reviewer do +2 and then approve, or do we need 2 distinct reviewers for that? | 22:07 |
| danwent | +2 indicates a core reviewer | 22:07 |
| danwent | you can nown +2 even if you are the first core dev to review | 22:07 |
| danwent | as +2 no longer automatically submits | 22:07 |
| danwent | there is a separate 'approve' action. if you are the second core dev to review, there is no dissent, and you are happy with the patch, you can just approve it. | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | cool. But I guess that if I do +2 than somebody else must come and approve the changeset. | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | Ok, thanks. | 22:08 |
| danwent | yes, a second core dev | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | so, more or less now the process is the same thing as it was with launchpad | 22:09 |
| danwent | Ok, so as promised, there was a flurry of ML discussions, which is great. | 22:09 |
| danwent | some are still ongoing, but I wanted to see if we had consensus on a couple of them that seem to have wrapped up. | 22:09 |
| danwent | is anyone opposed to splitting client repo out? | 22:09 |
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| danwent | not sure how much of the work mtaylor will do, but i'm assuming he'll need a core dev to help out. | 22:10 |
| salv-orlando | I don't have any major reason against that. | 22:10 |
| danwent | Ok, sold! | 22:10 |
| salv-orlando | Just a bit disappointed about code duplication, though :( | 22:10 |
| danwent | #todo #danwent create blueprint on splitting client repo out. | 22:11 |
| cdub | yeah, that and changes spanning repos, but given the rest of OS workflow, seems reasonable | 22:11 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: agreed, but I think its the right call. | 22:11 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: I agree too. | 22:11 |
| danwent | Ok, next issue may not be ready to close, but debo wanted me to bring it up, as the clock is ticking | 22:11 |
| danwent | VPN thread | 22:11 |
| danwent | question is whether to modify Nova to make cloudpipe work with quantum, or do separate service. | 22:12 |
| cdub | how realistic is new api? | 22:12 |
| danwent | won't rehash the discussion, but please respond on this quickly, as if we decide to do it in nova, we need to act VERY quickly. | 22:12 |
| danwent | cdub: to be honest I think having this by essex is risky | 22:13 |
| cdub | danwent: by separate service you mean quantum l3, not new foobar service, right? | 22:13 |
| cdub | i do too, but you'd have better idea ;) | 22:13 |
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| danwent | cdub: perhaps "sub-service" of quantum is a better term. | 22:13 |
| cdub | *nod* | 22:13 |
| danwent | I think vpn would be separate from L3 though | 22:13 |
| cdub | as in, quantum vpn api | 22:14 |
| danwent | but as this highlights, tackling our first sub-service is a non-trivial task with a lot of questions to tackle… not something that will happen quickly. | 22:14 |
| danwent | cdub: yup | 22:14 |
| cdub | certainly makes sense to me long term, i suspect it will put essex at risk of not having vpn though | 22:14 |
| salv-orlando | Still, whether VPN APIs are fit to be in Quantum or not, is something that needs to be discussed. Hence, recalling how fierce our discussions typycally are, getting it for Essex sounds really risky! | 22:14 |
| danwent | Ok, so as the output of this discussion, I'll take there there is no consensus on this, at least for #2. I'd like to hear a bit more from the nova folks as to why simply tweaks can't make cloudpipe work with Quantum manager. | 22:15 |
| danwent | I think debo knows more about this, which will help us make an informed decision. | 22:16 |
| danwent | #todo #debo email netstack about cost of doing nova cloupipe + quantum work. | 22:16 |
| danwent | Ok, next topic: API error codes | 22:16 |
| danwent | salv + wwkeyboard where leading discussion here | 22:16 |
| salv-orlando | Is wwkeyboard around? | 22:16 |
| danwent | was there for the f-naming dicussion | 22:17 |
| salv-orlando | Ok. Please give your feedback on the ML. In a nutshell, | 22:17 |
| danwent | my general thought is that we need to quickly decide what will and will not happen for API v1.1, as I would prefer not to have API changes late in essex-4 | 22:17 |
| wwkeyboard | I'm here | 22:17 |
| salv-orlando | we are using HTTP error codes for application-level messages. | 22:18 |
| salv-orlando | altough this is convenient for some reasons it has three big downsides: | 22:18 |
| salv-orlando | 1) client using standard libraries do not expect this codes | 22:18 |
| salv-orlando | 2) we are kind of polluting a namespace which is using by somebody else - IEFT I guess | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | and 3) Openstack, Keystone, Glance, and probably even Swift API only use standard HTTP codes | 22:19 |
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| salv-orlando | Point 3 IMHO is enough | 22:19 |
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| cdub | i think so too | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | to vote for restructuring error codes | 22:19 |
| danwent | salv: plus, there are the kind of issues we ran into today with brad's review | 22:20 |
| mestery | +1 for standard HTTP codes | 22:20 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: right | 22:20 |
| cdub | and cost of client change (esp. now) is still cheap | 22:20 |
| danwent | Ok, sounds like consensus. | 22:20 |
| salv-orlando | So, if you all agree I can set some time aside for getting this by E-3. I just need your feedback on how to revert to standard HTTP codes. Thanks! | 22:20 |
| cdub | sed? | 22:21 |
| * cdub ducks | 22:21 | |
| danwent | sweet. salv: I think i had suggestions in the thread | 22:21 |
| danwent | haha | 22:21 |
| danwent | #todo #salv-orlando create BP on standardizing HTTP error codes | 22:21 |
| danwent | Ok, final issue is not really a discussion | 22:21 |
| danwent | I pushed a write-up on code I think is more/less borrowed from other openstack projects and is a candidate for openstack-common | 22:22 |
| danwent | #link openstack-common candidates in quantum code: http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumOpenstackCommon | 22:22 |
| danwent | please take a look though and add comments | 22:22 |
| danwent | Ok, anything else on Quantum? | 22:23 |
| rkukura | quick question | 22:23 |
| rkukura | Are https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-linux-bridge-plugin and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/basic-vlan-plugin related, and are either likely to make Essex? | 22:23 |
| danwent | sumit says they are close to done, i think. | 22:24 |
| danwent | is sumit here? | 22:24 |
| salv-orlando | rkukura: yes they are. I will talk with Sumit, and we will probably merge them. | 22:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, I am trying to target the former for e3 | 22:24 |
| rkukura | Read through linux-bridge-plugin today, and it looks close | 22:24 |
| salv-orlando | In the meanwhile I have untargeted basic-vlan-plugin | 22:24 |
| rkukura | thanks! | 22:25 |
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| danwent | Ok, sumit, if you are targeting e-3, please set the milestone on the BP, otherwise it is hard to track. | 22:25 |
| danwent | other questions? | 22:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, I was just waiting for your feedback in terms of going forward | 22:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | including Salv | 22:26 |
| danwent | fair enough :) | 22:26 |
| cdub | danwent: when do you plan to target the client repo split bp? | 22:26 |
| danwent | cdub: I think we need to do it pretty urgently, as distros need to be able to incorporate the new packaging | 22:27 |
| danwent | well, i guess packages stay the same, but the back-end process will change | 22:27 |
| cdub | danwent: rkukura will probably be interested in packaing impact (he was going to do some this week iirc) | 22:27 |
| cdub | heh, ok...(you type faster ;) | 22:28 |
| rkukura | definitely interested | 22:28 |
| danwent | Ok. mtaylor seems pretty eager. If we can get someone to help him out in terms of the minor splitting of common code, it will probably move more quickly. | 22:28 |
| danwent | any volunteers? | 22:28 |
| danwent | and testing a well. | 22:28 |
| danwent | mtaylor: you around? | 22:28 |
| danwent | Ok, I will respond to the thread and try to get a timeline | 22:29 |
| danwent | i know mtaylor has the process of setting up a new openstack repo down to a science, so that should be quick | 22:29 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 22:29 |
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| danwent | any open discussion? | 22:29 |
| danwent | ok, thanks folks. have a good week! | 22:30 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 22:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 10 22:30:26 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-22.00.html | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-22.00.txt | 22:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-10-22.00.log.html | 22:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks, bye! | 22:30 |
| salv-orlando | Bye... have a good one! | 22:30 |
| somik | have a good one all! | 22:30 |
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| edgarmagana | ciao | 22:30 |
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