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| annegentle | hello all | 20:01 |
|---|---|---|
| toddmorey | hello! | 20:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | about to get started if we're ready | 20:01 |
| deshantm | hello | 20:01 |
| spectorclan_ | hi | 20:01 |
| deshantm | \o | 20:01 |
| annegentle | #startmeeting | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 20:02:03 2011 UTC. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 20:02 |
| annegentle | #topic action items from last meeting | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting" | 20:02 | |
| annegentle | 1. toddmorey and annegentle to work with ttx on making openstack-website project | 20:02 |
| annegentle | toddmorey completed this, making the openstack-org project on Github which he'll cover momentarily | 20:03 |
| * heckj lurks, but has another meeting conflicting | 20:03 | |
| annegentle | 2. annegentle to ask ttx about RSS and subscribing to doc bug feeds - I talked to ttx and found that all doc bugs are tagged and aggregated with openstack bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack | 20:04 |
| annegentle | heckj: s'okay :) | 20:04 |
| annegentle | So that's it on action items. We can move to toddmorey now, on openstack-org | 20:04 |
| annegentle | #topic General documentation status - openstack.org project - now in GitHub | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General documentation status - openstack.org project - now in GitHub" | 20:04 | |
| annegentle | toddmorey, floor's yours | 20:05 |
| toddmorey | Great. So as Anne said, the repository (in an early first stage) is now online: https://github.com/toddmorey/openstack-org | 20:05 |
| toddmorey | So there are two types of involvement with openstack.org: 1. content authoring and 2. design / development | 20:06 |
| toddmorey | this, of course, is concerning #2 | 20:06 |
| toddmorey | Several folks (anne and stephen, for example) are already working with me on content authorship | 20:07 |
| annegentle | #info Openstack.org design and dev now a GitHub repo | 20:07 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/toddmorey/openstack-org | 20:07 |
| toddmorey | this is a step to include other people who would like to get involved in development of site features, etc. | 20:07 |
| toddmorey | thanks, moderator anne :0 | 20:08 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: sorry for the unintended interruption, I'm new at this moderator thing :) | 20:08 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: does the repo include bug tracking? I'm also new to Github. | 20:08 |
| toddmorey | the next step for me is a package of sorts so its super easy to stage the site on a local computer. At any rate, if you'd like to get involved, please don't hesitate to reach out to me: todd@openstack.org | 20:08 |
| annegentle | not that there are any bugs! | 20:09 |
| toddmorey | Yup! There is issue tracking in github (which we can use) or we could do launchpad if that helps unite with other pieces of the project | 20:09 |
| toddmorey | though I guess it's all going github over time :) | 20:09 |
| annegentle | you're a trendsetter I'm sure :) | 20:10 |
| annegentle | any questions? | 20:10 |
| toddmorey | Creating a new issue for the site is easy: https://github.com/toddmorey/openstack-org/issues | 20:10 |
| deshantm | is there a staging.openstack.org? | 20:11 |
| deshantm | xen.org has one and that makes it easy for us to stage changes before making them live | 20:11 |
| toddmorey | good question! There is indeed. That URL is live, though it requires an account to see the content | 20:11 |
| deshantm | we also run out of a git tree and there is just a staging and live branch | 20:11 |
| toddmorey | (mostly to keep robots from crawling it) | 20:11 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: ah, that might be easier than packaging up for local testing? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | pesky robots. | 20:12 |
| deshantm | (ok so i won't tell you what our staging link is ;) | 20:12 |
| toddmorey | #action get folks who would like accounts and create them | 20:12 |
| mtaylor | toddmorey: hey! no plans to move issue tracking to github | 20:12 |
| toddmorey | uh, maybe I should have made that action make more sense. Is rewording my action another action? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: uh, I dunno? | 20:13 |
| spectorclan_ | toddmorey: is there a review process for postings or does everyone have free for all? | 20:13 |
| annegentle | mtaylor: ok, I wonder if we could log bugs against the openstack-manuals Launchpad project for the openstack.org site? | 20:13 |
| toddmorey | There is a review process for sure, but the logistics of it are currently in works. | 20:13 |
| mtaylor | annegentle: potentially? hrm ... should probably think about that | 20:14 |
| toddmorey | Sure, guys. Would rather use the standard than create a new one. | 20:14 |
| annegentle | mtaylor: I really like that doc bugs are rolled up under /openstack esp. when tagged correctly. Seems like we can make it work. | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | toddmorey: we're working on review automation (similar to tarmac is now) for the git projects ... would it be helpful to have website hooked in to that? | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | as in - we could have things go through review, then get merged, then have jenkins deploy new version of website? | 20:15 |
| deshantm | toddmore: I think the action item that intended is to publicize the ability to get an account to the community | 20:15 |
| toddmorey | yes, I think that would be helpful. Let's figure out how to hook it in | 20:15 |
| toddmorey | deshantm: right you are | 20:15 |
| mtaylor | sweet. I'll add it to the todo list of things we should look at once the actual automation stuff is in place | 20:15 |
| spectorclan_ | toddmorey: I can handle the community account process | 20:15 |
| annegentle | mtaylor: yes I also think that'll work well | 20:15 |
| mtaylor | annegentle: and yes - I agree re: bug rollups into the /openstack project | 20:15 |
| annegentle | Ok, what actions are there? | 20:16 |
| jeblair | I'm working with monty on the review automation | 20:16 |
| jeblair | now might be a good time to introduce myself :) | 20:16 |
| annegentle | #action spectorclan_ to handle community account process, email stephen.spector at openstack dot org to request an account | 20:16 |
| annegentle | #action toddmorey and mtaylor to look at hooking up Jenkins for a staging area for openstack.org | 20:17 |
| annegentle | jeblair: sure, introduce yourself, sounds apropos | 20:17 |
| jeblair | My name is James Blair; I recently joined Rackspace working on the team with Monty, Jay, etc. | 20:18 |
| annegentle | we love doc automation and staging, welcome aboard! | 20:18 |
| jeblair | I'm starting by helping out monty with the review automation | 20:18 |
| jeblair | thanks! | 20:18 |
| annegentle | ok, sounds like we're moving along the "opening openstack.org" path | 20:19 |
| mtaylor | spectorclan_: 'community account process' ... can I butt in and ask what those are accounts to? | 20:19 |
| spectorclan_ | mtaylor: people who can edit the OpenStack.org website, not sure we want this but I can have a process built just in case. | 20:19 |
| annegentle | mtaylor: I think the idea would be to provide access to the staging area but keep robots out | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | great | 20:20 |
| toddmorey | those would be CMS author / preview accounts for the staging site | 20:20 |
| annegentle | ah, sorry, I'm confusing the two projects - we are talking about 2) design/dev | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | so - definitley loop jeblair and I in on that - again the stuff we're doing for the other projects I think can probably apply to the mechanics of that | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | AH | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | cms author | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | gotcha - I totally follow the words you are saying now | 20:20 |
| annegentle | mtaylor: hee, saying/typing, you know, it's words. | 20:21 |
| mtaylor | bah. words. | 20:21 |
| annegentle | ok, thanks for clarifying all. Let's move on... | 20:21 |
| annegentle | #topic RST developer docs updates | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RST developer docs updates" | 20:21 | |
| annegentle | In no particular order, starting with swift. | 20:22 |
| annegentle | For swift, we now have archived sites for the 1.4.0 and 1.4.1 release at http://swift.openstack.org/1.4.0 and http://swift.openstack.org/1.4.1. | 20:22 |
| annegentle | To make those archived sites, you can run a build on the Jenkins server at http://jenkins.openstack.org/view/Swift/job/swift-docs-archive/ and enter the version number and the Launchpad branch that you want to use to build the archived site. | 20:22 |
| annegentle | thank you mtaylor for making the automagic happen | 20:22 |
| mtaylor | yay! | 20:22 |
| mtaylor | (although I believe I still have a bug to fix in there somewhere...) | 20:22 |
| annegentle | #link http://jenkins.openstack.org/view/Swift/job/swift-docs-archive/ <- Job that creates archived RST doc site from version number and lp branch | 20:23 |
| annegentle | That's all the news I know for Swift dev docs. | 20:23 |
| annegentle | The most recent addition to Nova docs is the Developer reference for the Distributed Scheduler, contributed by Sandy Walsh. | 20:23 |
| annegentle | #link http://nova.openstack.org/devref/distributed_scheduler.html | 20:23 |
| annegentle | excellent use of "dating service" as a metaphor, thank you sandywalsh! | 20:24 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to add the distributed scheduler page to the devref index page itself | 20:24 |
| annegentle | That's all I know for nova dev docs. | 20:24 |
| annegentle | And for Glance dev docs, I did get changes to the docs for Glance flags, where glance_api_servers replaces glance_host/glance_port in the compute admin guide | 20:26 |
| annegentle | Thanks to Brian Waldon for that update. | 20:26 |
| annegentle | Also, I wanted to let everyone know that the Rackspace doc tools team provided an RST to Docbook conversion tool in their last sprint. | 20:27 |
| annegentle | So I can bring over dev docs and write them for ops/devops in DocBook rather handily. | 20:27 |
| annegentle | #topic DocBook docs updates | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DocBook docs updates" | 20:28 | |
| annegentle | Docs on http://docs.openstack.org can have either Apache licensing (if they came from RST docs, for example) or CC licensing (if it came from a blog, for example). | 20:28 |
| annegentle | Hopefully this opens up possibilities to more contributors. | 20:29 |
| toddmorey | awesome! | 20:29 |
| spectorclan_ | very cool | 20:29 |
| annegentle | I also spoke with Jacek Artymiak a few weeks back about licensing and collaboration - he recently wrote an ebook about managing Rackspace cloud servers with the openstack-compute tool, and is very interested in working with us. | 20:30 |
| annegentle | #link http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/06/how-to-manage-rackspace-cloud.php <- review of his book | 20:30 |
| annegentle | Always open to more contributors, y'all. :) | 20:30 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc incubation | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc incubation" | 20:30 | |
| annegentle | I brought the Keystone dev guide into openstack-manuals last week, and it builds automatically to http://docs.openstack.org/incubation/identitydevguide/content/index.html. | 20:31 |
| heckj | annegentle: re contribution - you're welcome to the FlatNetworking pieces I put on the wiki - tried to make it available for the most folks there. | 20:31 |
| annegentle | thanks again to mtaylor and dwcramer for the help on that one. | 20:31 |
| annegentle | heckj: excellent, thanks. | 20:31 |
| deshantm | what is doc incubation? | 20:32 |
| annegentle | heckj: I took a look at bringing wiki markup into docbook and the HTML that MoinMoin outputs is miserable, but I'll look again soon. | 20:32 |
| annegentle | deshantm: Doc incubation is the process for brining relevant documentation under the docs.openstack.org umbrella once the Project Policy Board votes to incubate a project. | 20:32 |
| deshantm | ah ok thanks | 20:33 |
| heckj | annegentle: I'm happy to help translate if needed, but I don't know docbook, and my initial forays into trying to edit it were tinged with horror | 20:33 |
| annegentle | in this case, Keystone had a DocBook Dev Guide ready to release, so under the umbrella it went. | 20:33 |
| annegentle | heckj: horror! :) | 20:33 |
| dwcramer | heckj: MoinMoin can output to DocBook. That might be worth exploring. | 20:33 |
| annegentle | heckj: we can work on a path | 20:33 |
| annegentle | dwcramer: nice | 20:33 |
| annegentle | #action explore MoinMoin to DocBook paths | 20:33 |
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| annegentle | One other note on incubation, there's also the Extensions Guide that is under pre-incubation now | 20:34 |
| annegentle | The docs don't necessarily distinguish between "already incubated" and "applying for incubation" | 20:35 |
| annegentle | Ok, guess I'll open it up for open discussion | 20:35 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 20:35 | |
| annegentle | I do have one item that seems low-hanging fruit to me. If anyone is interested in uploading man pages for Debian, there are stub files available. I think it's a copy/paste job. | 20:36 |
| deshantm | toddmorey: did you get my email about the idea of having a redirect from blog.openstack.org to openstack.org/blog | 20:36 |
| annegentle | For example, see http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/swift/ . You'd replace the stub files in the debian/mans folder of | 20:36 |
| annegentle | the .debian.tar.gz file. | 20:36 |
| heckj | A number of doc updates will be needed around installing OpenStack and the nova-manage commands (some of which have changed recently) | 20:36 |
| toddmorey | I did! I asked for that to be set up. Very sensible request. | 20:37 |
| annegentle | heckj: yes, also the nova-manage network create command now requires public or private. | 20:37 |
| toddmorey | I do the same thing. :) | 20:37 |
| annegentle | I've started updating in trunk - such as http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/configuring-networking-on-the-compute-node.html | 20:37 |
| heckj | annegentle: Great! Wanted to make sure that wasn't missed. | 20:38 |
| annegentle | heckj: would love help with the editing passes, maybe we'll get you ramped up on DocBook :) | 20:38 |
| deshantm | I was talking to a user the other day that had some confusion about which version of the nova/euca tools work with which version of openstack | 20:38 |
| heckj | I think we also need to be even handed with handing out links to install mechanisms - both Puppet, Chef, and the various scripts and distributions. The wiki implies some over others right now. | 20:39 |
| deshantm | is there a place that documents the various interactions? | 20:39 |
| annegentle | deshantm: that's a good question. I know soren started http://wiki.openstack.org/Nova/EucalyptusFeatureComparison | 20:39 |
| heckj | annegentle: Would be happy to help read through & edit! Just need to get over the hump with DocBook | 20:39 |
| heckj | deshantm: It's a bit of an ongoing discussion when it comes down to APIs too - the euca-upload-images, for example, doesn't work with the Glance pieces to my knowledge, and many examples are starting to switch from using Euca commands to OpenStack API commands. | 20:40 |
| deshantm | ok so is there a good place to track this discussion and outcomes of it in order have a nice place to point users? | 20:41 |
| annegentle | deshantm: I think some of the difficulty also lies in using the API spec as a Dev Guide. | 20:41 |
| heckj | deshantm: I don't think there's one place - it's all over | 20:41 |
| annegentle | deshantm: it's a reuse that means it's hard to know where that info should live | 20:41 |
| annegentle | right, the scattering is what I'm getting at too. Where should such info live? | 20:42 |
| annegentle | on the wiki for starters? | 20:42 |
| deshantm | ok I'm fine following the situation and synthesizing for users if I know what to follow | 20:42 |
| spectorclan_ | Great meeting anne, have to run. Thanks, | 20:43 |
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| annegentle | deshantm: for example, the API 1.1 spec just updated | 20:43 |
| heckj | Reasonable - easy to edit and accessible to anyone. We might want to mark some specific wiki pages to indicate they're sourcing information - there's enough happening in that wiki it's getting a little hard to distinguish signal from noise. | 20:43 |
| deshantm | I'm planning on doing some OpenStack testing for work | 20:43 |
| annegentle | but that Dev Guide doesn't provide "use this and this and it'll work" | 20:43 |
| annegentle | heckj: agree on the signal/noise difficulty on the wiki. Do we just need a new section written in the Compute Admin Guide? | 20:44 |
| annegentle | or, is it a brutally honest wiki page that best serves this purpose (clarifying which version of the nova/euca tools work with which version of member:openstack) | 20:44 |
| * annegentle leans towards brutally honest wiki page for now | 20:45 | |
| deshantm | it seems like this is more of a wiki thing until things stablize | 20:45 |
| annegentle | sounds good. | 20:45 |
| * heckj agrees with brutal honest wiki page | 20:45 | |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to start wiki page to clarify which version of the nova/euca tools work with which version of openstack distro | 20:46 |
| heckj | We need to keep it super easy to edit, and maybe just closely monitored/edited | 20:46 |
| annegentle | deshantm: like what you're doing towards Xen packaging, thanks for doing that, it'll help immensely with docs | 20:46 |
| deshantm | annegentle: can you email that wiki page out once it is created so I can folow it and try to help | 20:46 |
| heckj | I'm reacting a bit to StackOps page on the wiki which encourages folks to use their Distro, but has a number of holes they don't appear to be responding to. | 20:46 |
| deshantm | annegentle: Yeah, I also found a docs bug about the xenapi plugins | 20:47 |
| annegentle | heckj: we can all do our part to spackle :) | 20:47 |
| deshantm | once this gets resolved I'll update that bug | 20:47 |
| annegentle | ok, thanks. Any thing else from any one else? | 20:47 |
| deshantm | I'll also need to go back and add the relevant information the compute admin guide | 20:47 |
| annegentle | deshantm: great, that would be excellent | 20:48 |
| deshantm | that's all I can think of for now | 20:48 |
| deshantm | thanks | 20:48 |
| annegentle | ok, thanks all | 20:48 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 20:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 20:48:23 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-07-11-20.02.html | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-07-11-20.02.txt | 20:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-07-11-20.02.log.html | 20:48 |
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