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| jbryce | who's here? | 19:02 |
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| johnpur | o/ | 19:02 |
| eday | here | 19:02 |
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| jbryce | hi ewan | 19:03 |
| jbryce | looks like there are 4 of us so far | 19:04 |
| anotherjesse | hi | 19:04 |
| ewanmellor | hi | 19:04 |
| anotherjesse | vish is going to be a few minutes late | 19:04 |
| notmyname | PPB meeting? | 19:04 |
| jbryce | yes | 19:04 |
| notmyname | I had that on my calendar in an hour | 19:04 |
| notmyname | oh well. I'm here | 19:04 |
| ewanmellor | I've got calendar entries for both now _and_ in an hour! | 19:05 |
| johnpur | me too! | 19:05 |
| jbryce | hmm | 19:05 |
| eday | 2 hour meetings ftw! | 19:05 |
| jbryce | https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6i49nddt8eqqi1kv0uoc8noh94%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago | 19:06 |
| jbryce | looks like it's only on there once. not sure why the invite didn't get updated properly for you. | 19:06 |
| jbryce | anotherjesse: vish was planning on coming? | 19:11 |
| anotherjesse | yes | 19:12 |
| anotherjesse | let me text to see eta | 19:12 |
| anotherjesse | since he is answering mailing list questions ;) | 19:12 |
| jbryce | #startmeeting | 19:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 19:12:33 2011 UTC. The chair is jbryce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 19:12 |
| jbryce | #topic Action items from last week | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last week" | 19:12 | |
| jbryce | I had 2 items from last week. Publish the project designations and getting community asset managers to publish processes for use | 19:13 |
| anotherjesse | 2 minutes | 19:14 |
| jbryce | The project designations will be up today, and I'll hit the mailing list with them. I was hoping to have them published before the meeting, but my travel back from Interop was screwed up by Dallas weather. | 19:14 |
| eday | I had one item with ttx, not gotten to it yet since ttx is at UDS and I've been busy with burrow things and taking care of a sick wife. should have it for next week. | 19:15 |
| jbryce | Still working with the community asset managers to get a full list of who has access to what. I'm hoping to have progress on it by early next week. | 19:15 |
| vishy | o/ | 19:15 |
| vishy | i was answering from mah phone | 19:16 |
| eday | you need to get irc on your phone :) | 19:16 |
| vishy | apparently | 19:16 |
| jbryce | vishy: how'd the ptl meeting go? | 19:17 |
| vishy | ok | 19:18 |
| vishy | we made some progress | 19:18 |
| vishy | :) | 19:18 |
| jbryce | progress is good | 19:19 |
| jbryce | any particular next step for it? just continue discussions? | 19:19 |
| johnpur | if it is *forward* progress... | 19:19 |
| vishy | jbryce: i posted an email to the mailing list | 19:20 |
| vishy | (openstack) | 19:20 |
| vishy | with the action items that we took | 19:20 |
| jbryce | ok. i'm a couple days behind. | 19:20 |
| jbryce | will read that | 19:21 |
| jbryce | #topic communication channels | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "communication channels" | 19:22 | |
| jbryce | we had one thing left over from last week's marathon meeting that we didn't get to | 19:22 |
| jbryce | johnpur: do you want discuss this one? | 19:22 |
| johnpur | ahhh, remind me what the topic is? | 19:23 |
| jbryce | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/PPB | 19:23 |
| jbryce | Define communication channels (IRC channels, StackExchange, LP Answers, Forums). Is it time to start specializing; targeting to dev, devops/sysadmins, users? (johnpur) | 19:23 |
| johnpur | OK | 19:23 |
| johnpur | last week we gave the go ahead for user support forums | 19:24 |
| johnpur | i just pinged the url and nothing has been set up | 19:24 |
| johnpur | the open questions are a) do we want to consider moving away from LP Answers to a Q&A style for dev/devops issues? | 19:25 |
| johnpur | who would own this, etc.? | 19:25 |
| vishy | a) Yes! | 19:26 |
| johnpur | the last issue was the setting up of additional irc channels... we setup #openstack-dev... it has almost 0 traffic to date | 19:26 |
| vishy | I have answered the same questions in Q&A a whole bunch of times | 19:26 |
| johnpur | starting from the top | 19:27 |
| johnpur | for the forums site, do we want to nudge jordan/chad to get going after they made such an issue on the ml, or just let it lie? | 19:28 |
| jbryce | i'll shoot jordan an email just to see what's going on | 19:28 |
| jbryce | i don't want it to be confusing for people in the community who are expecting something to happen | 19:28 |
| johnpur | agree | 19:28 |
| jbryce | #action jbryce to ping jordan on openstack forums | 19:29 |
| johnpur | second | 19:29 |
| vishy | johnpur: i think he was going to make a poll to decide on software | 19:29 |
| johnpur | anyone besides vishy want to weigh in on Answers vs Q&A? | 19:29 |
| jbryce | seems like there was pretty broad agreement on a stack style q&a setup | 19:30 |
| johnpur | if we go to a Q&A i am an advocate of using an open source project, to emphasize our commitment to being open | 19:30 |
| eday | mp strong opinions either way here, but certainly not opposed. my main concern is who would own/moderate it | 19:30 |
| notmyname | eday: ditto | 19:31 |
| johnpur | i think i can find someone to do the setup/sysadmin... we need to discuss moderation | 19:31 |
| johnpur | perhaps a call to the community? | 19:32 |
| jbryce | will there be additional moderation beyond what already happens in launchpad answers? | 19:33 |
| johnpur | idk, is there a need to clean spam, off-topic, etc.? | 19:33 |
| johnpur | would this be a good task for a technical community manager to own? | 19:34 |
| jbryce | probably some, but i'd imagine it would be pretty similar to how the answers process is working currently. | 19:35 |
| jbryce | sounds like it | 19:35 |
| johnpur | i am looking to find one now | 19:35 |
| johnpur | ok, for now leave this on my plate... but we agree that we want to move off of Answers? | 19:35 |
| jbryce | johnpur: i'd send an email to the list just to make sure everyone (thierry, josh, rick) can all way in as well | 19:36 |
| vishy | the great point of QA sites is that most of the moderation is done by users | 19:36 |
| johnpur | jbryce: can you set an action to get feedback from the other ppb members? | 19:36 |
| jbryce | #action johnpur to verify QnA approach as replacement for Launchpad Answers | 19:37 |
| johnpur | lastly, the question of additional IRC channels | 19:37 |
| johnpur | i'm wondering if we need to contract, not expand? | 19:38 |
| johnpur | *-dev isn't being used | 19:38 |
| eday | johnpur: I'd say lets see how dev works out for a bit | 19:38 |
| johnpur | eday: ok by me | 19:39 |
| johnpur | done on this topic | 19:39 |
| jbryce | ok | 19:40 |
| jbryce | thanks | 19:40 |
| jbryce | #topic other discussion | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other discussion" | 19:40 | |
| jbryce | anyone have anything else they wanted to cover? | 19:40 |
| johnpur | yes | 19:40 |
| johnpur | question regarding non-core projects | 19:40 |
| jbryce | ok | 19:41 |
| johnpur | should we have a specified meeting where the non-core projects can discuss progress, issues, etc. like we do in the release meeting for core? | 19:41 |
| jbryce | are you thinking weekly in terms of frequency? | 19:42 |
| johnpur | i am a little concerned that there is no visibility to naas, lunr, redwarf, keystone, burrow, etc. | 19:42 |
| johnpur | just throwing it out there | 19:42 |
| jbryce | right...i think the idea makes sense | 19:42 |
| notmyname | but since they aren't officially openstack projects, should we be the ones to establish that process for them? | 19:43 |
| notmyname | or is this to see where they are to see when they will be ready to become part of the official project? | 19:43 |
| johnpur | notmyname: good point. how should we handle? | 19:43 |
| eday | I think we should encourage more frequent mailing list updates or something (somehting I've been meaning to do for burrow) | 19:43 |
| johnpur | since the DS there has been little to no discussion on IRC or the ML on these projects | 19:44 |
| notmyname | since we know they are interested in being part of openstack (although we should have them apply--what happend to that?), they should keep us all up to date on how things are going | 19:44 |
| notmyname | not an oversight thing, just a "how's it going" thing | 19:44 |
| johnpur | so, is this outside the purview of the PPB? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | IMO, yes. but we are interested in general status | 19:46 |
| jbryce | like eday said we can encourage them to provide more information | 19:47 |
| jbryce | i think we've almost got the steps published on how to apply to incubate | 19:47 |
| jbryce | and then we could have an official regular update time for incubated projects | 19:47 |
| johnpur | notmyname: the danger is that some of these are tightly coupled (such as naas) and key to the objectives of the overall project (federation). | 19:47 |
| eday | more open they are along the process, easier it will be to approve them later one, that ca be the PPB's position | 19:47 |
| notmyname | I like what eday says | 19:48 |
| eday | we don't want to approve things that are thrown over the wall, we want demonstration that projects are community driven | 19:48 |
| * notmyname will now let eday speak for him because he agrees with everything eday is saying | 19:49 | |
| eday | :) | 19:49 |
| anotherjesse | ++ | 19:49 |
| johnpur | OK, for the more strategic projects i think we should be more actively involved to ensure alignment with the overall project goals. Outside the scope of the PPB, but within the scope of being senior leaders and PTL's. | 19:49 |
| johnpur | I know anotherjesse agrees with this as he is mentoring the keystone project :) | 19:50 |
| anotherjesse | keystone is reaching out the the PTLs | 19:51 |
| anotherjesse | since we need them to adopt keystone as an auth mechnism | 19:51 |
| johnpur | anotherjesse: exactly. we need to ensure that projects such as naas understand how to engage the community and other projects. | 19:53 |
| johnpur | and *why* they should | 19:54 |
| jbryce | i think it makes sense, but should just be informal until the incubation process gets rolling | 19:56 |
| notmyname | so do we have other things to talk about? | 19:57 |
| johnpur | jbryce: ok. we don't want to wait too long to get the ball rolling, i would suggest that the diablo midpoint should be a drop dead date | 19:58 |
| jbryce | johnpur: that is fine with me | 19:58 |
| jbryce | anyone have anything else? | 19:58 |
| jbryce | all right | 20:00 |
| jbryce | talk to you guys later | 20:00 |
| jbryce | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 12 20:00:38 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-12-19.12.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-12-19.12.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-12-19.12.log.html | 20:00 |
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