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| dendrobates | bug 653344 | 16:11 |
| dendrobates | bug #653344 | 16:11 |
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| dendrobates | woohoo! | 20:58 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:58 |
| zul | heylo | 20:58 |
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| vishy | is soren around today? | 21:00 |
| vishy | i had a bug i wanted to run by him | 21:00 |
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| dendrobates | we will wait the customary 2 minutes for everyone to arrive | 21:00 |
| vishy | but I haven't seen him yet | 21:01 |
| dendrobates | soren will be around later | 21:01 |
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| vishy | cool, I have a bug but it might be fixable with a packaging change as opposed to a code change | 21:01 |
| dendrobates | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 19 21:02:20 2010 UTC. The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:02 |
| dendrobates | Welcome | 21:02 |
| dendrobates | This will be short since there is work to do for the release. | 21:02 |
| dendrobates | The agenda is here: | 21:02 |
| dendrobates | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:03 |
| dendrobates | The logs will show up here sometime after the meeting: | 21:03 |
| dendrobates | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/MeetingLogs | 21:03 |
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| dendrobates | does anyone have any topics to add? | 21:03 |
| dendrobates | k | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | #topic release | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | I will be creating Nova and Glance release candidate tarballs for download on Launchpad later tonight. | 21:04 |
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| dendrobates | I will follow it with an email to the team asking for testing. | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | It may be late, because I want to make sure the last minute bug fixing merge proposals get merged | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | creiht, I think you have this ready to go for swift? | 21:04 |
| creiht | So am I the only one that is a bit concerned that we are releasing the RC tonight, and releasing 2 days from now? | 21:05 |
| creiht | dendrobates: yes rc tarballs for swift are cut | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | nope, you are not. | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | we will not do this again. | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | this was not a normal release cycle or process | 21:05 |
| zykes- | so why so fast this time ? | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | I hope that this will be much better when we have a real release manager | 21:06 |
| creiht | So which is a lesser of two evils? The bad press we would get for moving the release back, or the bad press that we may get for releasing buggy software for the first release? | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | zykes-: we wanted to get something out quick, but that was not the real problem. We can discuss it back in #openstack after the meeting | 21:06 |
| creiht | and what confidence level are we at that the release will be somewhat stable? | 21:07 |
| dendrobates | it will be stable for some value of stable. :) | 21:07 |
| dendrobates | I propose we have a go/no go meeting on Thursday at this same time. | 21:07 |
| creiht | #agreed | 21:08 |
| dendrobates | creiht: are you concerned about swift, or ar you just feeling nova's pain? | 21:08 |
| creiht | A little of both | 21:08 |
| vishy | dendrobates: question about the hyperv proposal | 21:08 |
| creiht | mostly from the comments I see in channel about problems getting nova going | 21:08 |
| dendrobates | I have successfully installed nova hundreds of times | 21:09 |
| vishy | it has been suggested that it would be great for press to go ahead and merge it as long as it doesn't affect core functionality | 21:09 |
| vishy | is that a lunatic idea? | 21:10 |
| eday | I may just have low standards, but I don't think anyone is expecting *too* much in a first release. There will be bugs no matter what, and I think it's important to just keep marching on and showing progress | 21:10 |
| ttx | for a first release, I'd say "on time" is more important than "not buggy", since "not buggy can be months away | 21:10 |
| gundlach | ttx: agreed | 21:10 |
| tkiel | ttx ttx | 21:10 |
| dendrobates | vishy: I think it is a bad precedent | 21:11 |
| ttx | its a milestone, something you can judge further efforts against | 21:11 |
| dendrobates | vishy: we will have it early in Bexar and the press release will go ahead based on that. | 21:11 |
| zykes- | dendrobates: HyperV ? | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | zykes-: yes | 21:12 |
| creiht | So are we labeling the austin release as (alpha, beta...)? | 21:12 |
| zykes- | what about ESX / vCenter ? | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | zykes-: we can discuss later | 21:12 |
| vishy | zykes-: there is a merge proposal from microsoft adding hyperV support | 21:12 |
| vishy | I was asking if we should special case merge it | 21:13 |
| zykes- | from ms actually, ok | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | creiht: we are not labeling it anything. | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | vishy: we considered it when it came in. If it had been in perfect shape and complete we would have made a FF exception | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | I don't think we should expend resources on it 2 days before release | 21:14 |
| tkiel | creiht: what is the swift concern? | 21:15 |
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| creiht | tkiel: I'm wondering in general | 21:15 |
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| dendrobates | #task schedule a go/nogo meeting for Thursday | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | any other release questions before I move on? | 21:16 |
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| dendrobates | creiht: we can discuss your concerns after the meeting | 21:17 |
| creiht | dendrobates: np | 21:17 |
| dendrobates | #topic bugs | 21:17 |
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| dendrobates | there is one critical outstanding bug: | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | in Nova: | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/653344 | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/653344 | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | xtoddx: what is the status of this? | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | it could already be fixed. | 21:19 |
| dendrobates | vishy: do you know? | 21:19 |
| vishy | i'm seeing if i can ping him | 21:19 |
| vishy | meanwhile i'll check the code | 21:19 |
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| dendrobates | there wasn;t a branch attached to the bug and I didn;t have time to check before the meeting | 21:20 |
| xtoddx | i haven't touched it, but is a quick fix i can apply today | 21:20 |
| vishy | no fix is not in | 21:20 |
| vishy | oh hi xtoddx, should be just a one liner yeah? | 21:21 |
| xtoddx | vishy: yea | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | xtoddx: great, ping me when it's uploaded | 21:21 |
| xtoddx | dendrobates: will do | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | I was also wondering the status of this bug: | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | #link https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/656012 | 21:22 |
| vishy | i believe that was fixed by one of gundlach's patches | 21:22 |
| gundlach | believe that's fixed | 21:22 |
| gundlach | jinx | 21:22 |
| dendrobates | I can;t reproduce it, but 4 others have marked it as affecting them | 21:22 |
| dendrobates | ah, that would be why I can't reproduce it. | 21:23 |
| gundlach | iirc there was another bug report re: this and i marked that one closed; must have missed this one. | 21:23 |
| gundlach | i'll update now | 21:23 |
| dendrobates | gundlach: I'll close it. | 21:23 |
| gundlach | k | 21:23 |
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| dendrobates | creiht: do you have any bugs you want to bring up? | 21:24 |
| creiht | dendrobates: all our bugs are clear | 21:24 |
| dendrobates | and you are worried :) | 21:24 |
| creiht | it is one thing for things to work functionally on a vm or a handful of machines, another to work fully at scale :) | 21:25 |
| vishy | yup | 21:25 |
| vishy | | def name(self): | 21:25 |
| vishy | 341.1.1 michael | return "instance-%d" % self.internal_id | 21:25 |
| gundlach | vishy: tx! (i thought i was 'gundlach', not 'michael'... huh :) | 21:25 |
| vishy | yeah weird | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | I had something that I wanted to discuss. | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | I have a question about boto versions. | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | Today I did a Nova install onto a fresh maverick cloud server instance using vish's script and pip installed boto 2.0b1. | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | which is what is specified in pip-requires | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | however the object store crashed, | 21:27 |
| vishy | boto==2.0b1 | 21:27 |
| dendrobates | I deleted the pip installed version and used the system boto and everything was fine | 21:27 |
| dendrobates | hep | 21:27 |
| gundlach | what was your system boto version? | 21:27 |
| vishy | yeah that is wrong, we need to put that back to 1.9b | 21:27 |
| dendrobates | 1.9b1 | 21:27 |
| vishy | shall i submit a bug/patch real quick? | 21:28 |
| dendrobates | I'll do it. | 21:28 |
| vishy | k | 21:28 |
| dendrobates | any other bugs that anyone needs to bring up? | 21:29 |
| vishy | I have two development pet peeves, but they aren't bugs | 21:29 |
| dendrobates | anything that they have not submitted yet?> | 21:29 |
| dendrobates | k | 21:29 |
| gundlach | i've got a bug that may get fixed before hand --not sure if it's "critical" | 21:29 |
| vishy | 1) extra whitespace | 21:29 |
| dendrobates | vishy: agreed. | 21:29 |
| gundlach | if a 500 comes up from lower level code to the RS API, it's not converted to RS API Fault format, unlike all other errors. | 21:29 |
| gundlach | (Fault format sends JSON or XML in the response rather than HTML.) | 21:30 |
| vishy | Regarding whitespace, it would be great if everyone could configure their dev env to remove it, it makes merging a lot uglier | 21:30 |
| gundlach | i kind of would be ok with 500s crashing harder than normal in Austin, so that we're sure to hear about them and fix them. thoughts? | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | vishy: we should put a page on the wiki that states that and give examples for people not using vim | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | I assume all vim users know how | 21:31 |
| vishy | I also have a bug that I'm hoping to talk to soren about, since he did the packaging. It is specific to running as the nova user instead of root. | 21:31 |
| vishy | dendrobates: sounds good | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | gundlach: It is a big one, but I am not sure it is critical | 21:32 |
| gundlach | re whitespace: anyone know a way to tell LP to ignore whitespace when generating diffs? | 21:32 |
| gundlach | that might be simpler | 21:32 |
| eday | vishy: maybe we can make tarmac reject merges with extra space too | 21:32 |
| vishy | eday: I'm ok with that :) | 21:32 |
| zykes- | whitespaces how ? | 21:33 |
| dendrobates | gundlach: can you file the bug and we should at least add something to the release notes | 21:33 |
| gundlach | yep, will do | 21:33 |
| vishy | 2) code in __init__.py | 21:33 |
| vishy | leads to annoying circular import problems | 21:33 |
| gundlach | vishy: i assume you mean code excluding class and def statements, right? | 21:34 |
| dendrobates | also a wiki coding std sort of thing. We should have a good reference for new devs to read when trhey join | 21:34 |
| eday | dendrobates: right now we just point to PEP8, but we can add to that | 21:35 |
| vishy | if i do from nova.api.ec2 import cloud, all of the stuff that is in ec2/__init.py__ is imported | 21:35 |
| vishy | i've been working around it, but in general i don't like putting code in there | 21:35 |
| dendrobates | vishy I can look at the packaging issue too, I am also an ubuntu dev | 21:36 |
| eday | vishy: ahh, didn't realize that. Yeah, we should move all stuff out then | 21:36 |
| dendrobates | ok moving on. | 21:37 |
| dendrobates | #topic bexar | 21:37 |
| dendrobates | I just want to remind people that I will be making a call blueprints right after the release. | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | We will only have about a week and a half to file them before we need to finalize the summit discussions | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | any questions? | 21:39 |
| vishy | dendro: Anso has a few features that didn't make it into Austin, but we will be proposing soon. Some have blueprints and others do not | 21:39 |
| dendrobates | I am aware of some of them I'll move those over. | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | #topic other business | 21:40 |
| vishy | do we need to make blueprints for the ones that don't have them, or can we just propose them for review per normal? | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | is there already code? | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | if they need discussion at the summit they need blueprints | 21:41 |
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| vishy | probably don't need discusion | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | It would still be nice to have the blueprints, since we can use them at release time to know what was added | 21:41 |
| vishy | s/discusion/discussion | 21:41 |
| vishy | ok | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | but there is not the same time concern | 21:41 |
| johnpur | agree, having the blueprints is goodness | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | ok, if that is all, let'e get back to it. | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | #endmeeting | 21:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 19 21:42:44 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-10-19-21.02.html | 21:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-10-19-21.02.txt | 21:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-10-19-21.02.log.html | 21:42 |
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