Thursday, 2017-03-30

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ildikov#startmeeting cinder-nova-api-changes17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 30 17:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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ildikovDuncanT ameade cFouts johnthetubaguy jaypipes takashin alaski e0ne jgriffith tbarron andrearosa hemna erlon mriedem gouthamr ebalduf patrickeast smcginnis diablo_rojo gsilvis  xyang1 raj_singh lyarwood breitz jungleboyj17:00
hemna\o17:00
lyarwoodo/17:00
jungleboyjhemna:  Look at you and your right handedness.17:01
ildikovhi all :)17:01
hemnawell I am right handed17:01
ildikovlet's wait a bit to see whether we have more people joining17:01
johnthetubaguyso daylight savings has just screwed me on this timing17:01
jungleboyjjohnthetubaguy:  So the UK is suffering this week?17:02
johnthetubaguyso I am only around for a little bit17:02
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: I was wondering about that just today17:02
johnthetubaguyyeah, its our week of pain17:02
johnthetubaguyalthough the weather is quite nice today17:02
* jungleboyj looks at johnthetubaguy sympathetically.17:02
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: is it today or this slot does not work for you in general?17:02
jungleboyjWe have had clouds most of the last two weeks.17:02
lyarwoodjohnthetubaguy: I think this time is set now, the US moves to DST ahead of us moving to BST17:03
johnthetubaguyildikov: its a thursday thing really, its usally bad now17:03
johnthetubaguylyarwood: yeah17:03
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: ok, we can look into switch back to the Monday slot we used earlier or smth like17:04
johnthetubaguyI normally have a rehersal to get to, so I try stop work early on a thursday about now (6pm)17:04
johnthetubaguyI mean, maybe, I am not required as such now17:04
johnthetubaguythe spec is merged, I just have stuff to review17:04
johnthetubaguy(in theory)17:04
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: well, we have more Nova items now and I think we don't have Matt today either17:04
johnthetubaguyyeah, matt is out today, being welcomed into his new company17:05
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: I think the next one now is lyarwood's detach refactor, I think that review is still open17:05
smcginnisYay for the spec being merged.17:05
johnthetubaguyyeah, so whats the hit list for the next week17:05
johnthetubaguysmcginnis: +1 on the yay :)17:05
ildikovI rebased jgriffith's detach PoC on top of that17:05
jungleboyjsmcginnis: +@17:05
lyarwoodildikov: yeah the review is open, I updated it this afternoon and it now has a merge conflict so I'll address this after the call17:06
jungleboyj+2 even17:06
ildikovsmcginnis: johnthetubaguy: +1 :)17:06
smcginnisGotta celebrate our victories where we can. :)17:06
ildikovlyarwood: ok, thanks17:06
ildikov:)17:06
lyarwoodsmcginnis: is your detach change ready to review btw?17:07
lyarwoodah sorry17:07
lyarwoodjgriffith: ^17:07
ildikovlyarwood: it would be great to get review on that to see whether the direction is what we want17:07
smcginnislyarwood: Do you have a link to your patch?17:08
smcginnis...handy17:08
lyarwoodildikov: yeah I couldn't tell if it was still WIP tbh, there are a few nits in there that I think we will need to address17:08
ildikovlyarwood: I think the nova/virt/block_device.py changes are messed up, that was me, I was clearly not really sure at what I'm doing there...17:08
lyarwoodsmcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439520/17:08
lyarwoodmoving forward I'd like to keep the nova patches against the https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/cinder-new-attach-apis topic17:09
smcginnislyarwood: Good call.17:09
ildikovlyarwood: please add comments to the patch or hunt jgriffith and/or me down on IRC if there are more complicated parts17:09
lyarwoodildikov: will do thanks17:09
ildikovlyarwood: me thanks17:10
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lyarwoodjohnthetubaguy: what was next area we wanted to look at in nova? (/me opens the spec)17:10
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: there are small changes up to deprecate Cinder v2 and remove check_dteach17:10
johnthetubaguyto be honest, attach is last17:11
johnthetubaguyeverything else comes first17:11
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: reviews appreciated, both are small changes17:11
lyarwoodjohnthetubaguy: kk17:11
johnthetubaguy...but its tempting to get attach POC-ed so we can get the tests passing on that17:11
johnthetubaguylike a DNM patch with attach, or something, to prove detach actually works17:11
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: lyarwood: I had a short chat this week with mdbooth about the lock we were talking about on the PTG a bit17:11
ildikovwe can chat about that at some point17:12
johnthetubaguyildikov: we should agree next steps for this week first17:12
ildikovI will look up the attach PoC as we had a patch up for that, but I think it's either abandoned or just seriously outdated17:12
lyarwooddo we need check_detach removed before we land the v3 detach calls?17:13
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: sure17:13
ildikovlyarwood: I think it's not crucial for those17:13
lyarwoodildikov: kk just checking17:13
johnthetubaguyits a good question17:14
ildikovlyarwood: it's a simple cleanup which does not conflict with those as far as I can remember17:14
ildikovlyarwood: nah, totally valid question, thanks for bringing it up17:14
johnthetubaguyif we are happy with that, it might be good getting it landed17:14
ildikovI was just thinking out loud17:14
johnthetubaguyfor the sake of simplicity if nothing else17:14
johnthetubaguyyou got the link for that one?17:14
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446671/17:14
ildikovlyarwood: ^^17:15
lyarwoodthanks17:15
johnthetubaguydid we revert the one we landed or something?17:15
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: revert?17:15
johnthetubaguyso I thought we had already merged a version of this patch, for some reason17:16
johnthetubaguyI think I got two patches mixed up in my head17:16
lyarwoodcheck_attach17:16
lyarwoodI think17:16
smcginnisThere was something just after the PTG.17:16
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: that was check_attach17:16
johnthetubaguyoh right... doh!17:17
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: we have check_detach too, which is just as unnecessary IMHO :)17:17
johnthetubaguywell, we like giving folks nice error messages17:17
johnthetubaguythe general concept doesn't seem required17:18
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: I don't think that's mutually exclusive :)17:18
johnthetubaguyso my food is ready, so I kinda have to go eat it17:18
johnthetubaguyildikov: agreed17:18
ildikovor at least I tried not to mess it up too much17:18
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: ok, then I would say let's go with the detach related changes17:18
ildikovfor next week17:18
johnthetubaguylyarwood: I think we just ignore that patch, unless it really helps detach look cleaner I guess?17:19
johnthetubaguylyarwood: I feel too far from the code to tell from a quick glance right now17:19
ildikovand we can sync up if you would run out of reviews before the next meeting17:19
johnthetubaguyyeah, sounds like we have things to get on with for this week17:19
johnthetubaguy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43952017:20
lyarwoodjohnthetubaguy: yeah would be nice to sort out at some point this cycle tbh17:20
johnthetubaguy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43875017:20
ildikovlyarwood: +117:20
johnthetubaguylyarwood: probably best just to decide based on how the detach patch looks thats on top of yours17:20
ildikovlyarwood: small change, should not hurt, would be great not to carry it for multiple releases17:21
johnthetubaguythe tidy up might help that land quicker, so thats all good17:21
lyarwoodildikov: so I'm also happy to look into the attach POC btw if you don't have time17:21
* johnthetubaguy runs away to eat his dinner17:21
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: with lyarwood's change it's a change at one place for detach17:22
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: tnx for joining17:22
ildikovjohnthetubaguy: enjoy17:22
johnthetubaguyyeah, it might be independent now17:22
johnthetubaguythats cool17:22
ildikovlyarwood: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330285/17:24
ildikovlyarwood: I think that's the one that contained changes to make attach work too17:24
ildikovlyarwood: not updated for a while, so I think it has attachment_id magic in it too, etc. so don't expect nice and shiny code17:24
ildikovlyarwood: it worked at a time, but things have changed since then17:24
lyarwoodildikov: yeah I think it had both in there and used attachment_uuid17:25
ildikovwho gets there first can update it and clean up I would say17:25
lyarwoodildikov: so we will need to split it out17:25
lyarwoodildikov: kk17:25
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ildikovagreed, I focused on the detach first so it can be reviewed now17:25
ildikovwe also have a ton of use cases to look into and I think having smaller patches for those would be good17:26
lyarwoodildikov: yup agreed and we should be able to test these as we go with an attach POC in place17:27
ildikovlyarwood: yep that sounds good17:29
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ildikovI kind of out of topics for today17:30
lyarwoodsame, nothing else from me.17:30
ildikovI think the next steps are clear for now17:30
ildikovwe have some changes on the Cinder side17:31
ildikovlike switching from instance-id to server-id17:31
ildikovbut that will not affect detach so we're good17:31
lyarwoodis that something new for attach?17:32
ildikovattachment-create will change because of that17:32
ildikovbut attachment-update needs only an attachment-id for instance, so it's not a major change17:32
lyarwoodkk thanks, I missed that in the logs from last week17:32
ildikovwe're trying to clean the API up on the Cinder side before it gets used17:33
ildikovlyarwood: it came up this week17:33
ildikovlyarwood: patches are already up and we try to get them in quickly so when the PoC activity gets there it should be baked17:33
lyarwoodah understood, thanks17:34
stvnoyesgit status17:34
ildikovsure, np17:34
ildikovstvnoyes: I hope you're checking a related code change :)17:35
stvnoyessorry, stray text ^17:35
jungleboyjSomebody get that man some status!17:35
ildikovstvnoyes: no worries, we've all been there :)17:35
stvnoyesnot the first time for me :-)17:35
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ildikovstvnoyes: haha, still could be worse :)17:36
smcginnisYour branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.17:36
smcginnisnothing to commit, working directory clean17:36
bmacelol17:36
ildikovsmcginnis: lol17:36
stvnoyeswell I am happy to added some entertainment to the meeting ;-)17:37
smcginnis;)17:37
ildikovstvnoyes: that's always welcomed as far as I'm concerned :)17:37
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thank you!17:37
ildikovok, now that we had some fun too I really don't have more for today17:37
ildikovanyone with any questions, comments?17:38
jungleboyjSounds good.  Thanks ildikov17:38
ildikovok, then let's progress on both sides as agreed17:38
lyarwoodthanks ildikov17:39
ildikovI will chat with johnthetubaguy on the meeting slot and let you know if we need a change17:39
ildikovsee you on the channels and here next week I think still at this slot17:39
ildikovthank you all!17:39
ildikov#endmeeting17:40
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robcresswell#startmeeting keystone_horizon20:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 30 20:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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robcresswellThis'll be an awfully one-sided meeting :p20:01
lbragstado/20:02
david-lyleeverything is great!20:02
robcresswellhaha20:02
robcresswell#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-horizon20:03
robcresswellI still need to fix tempest on that patch to change default session type20:03
lbragstaddstanek rderose around?20:03
robcresswellthats blocking the v2 deprecation20:03
robcresswellon horizons side, that is.20:04
robcresswellI dont suppose anyone got a chance to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339487/ ?20:04
lbragstadi have not20:05
lbragstadcmurphy might be a good one to add to that?20:05
robcresswellThere's a comment from colleen already, was hoping someone could back it up20:05
david-lylelooking at that, I'm not sure why that would be needed.20:06
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robcresswellNo response from kenji either20:06
david-lyleoh target, nvmd20:06
robcresswellIt was started way before all the recent efforts, so it might not be needed now, and I didnt want to pressure for reviews until it was at least confirmed. I'll see if I can get in touch with kenji to see whats going on.20:07
david-lylewait, I'm not crazy, it should be set https://github.com/openstack/django_openstack_auth/blob/master/openstack_auth/policy.py#L13820:07
david-lyleand that would be unnecessary20:07
david-lylebut I think sjmc7 had a bug filed against doa for something similar20:08
robcresswellrecently?20:08
david-lyleno20:08
* david-lyle looks20:08
david-lyleI don't think it was fixed, he had a patch20:08
robcresswellhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/361466/ ?20:10
david-lyleyeah, just found the same20:10
david-lylethat would be the proper place to fix it anyway20:11
lbragstadlooks a little stale20:11
david-lylewe prefer well aged20:11
cmurphy:)20:12
lbragstaddavid-lyle ++ i like that term20:12
david-lylethe fix should be in d-o-a regardless, because if we're grabbing the wrong domain_id it's wrong universally20:13
david-lylelet me try to digest steve's patch and then will look at kenji's20:13
robcresswell#action david-lyle to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36146620:15
robcresswellPretty sure that's legally binding.20:15
david-lylenot the #action20:15
david-lyledirty pool20:15
lbragstadba-dum-pshh20:16
robcresswellrderose: Any progress on 8.2.620:16
robcresswell?*20:16
lbragstadrobcresswell i don't think i've seen anything recently20:17
lbragstadrobcresswell i'm going to double check though20:17
robcresswellcool20:17
robcresswellThanks20:17
lbragstadrobcresswell ack - nothing that I can see20:18
robcresswellcool, thanks lbragstad20:18
robcresswellLast question I had was regarding some Horizon work. I've been rewriting our Overview pages20:18
robcresswellThese so far have just been Compute usage and a few quotas20:19
robcresswellWe've some ideas to expand that, as well as solve performance issues, but I was wondering if there was anything that would be nice to have from a keystone pov20:19
lbragstadincluded in horizon's overview page?20:20
robcresswellThe general concept behind those pages is to be able to check the overall status of a deployment and carry out some common actions from one location20:20
robcresswelllbragstad: Yeah. I think keystone likely wouldnt, but I wanted to mention it in case something came up.20:20
lbragstadrobcresswell is this what you're referencing - https://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/ ?20:21
robcresswellnono, the panel titled "Overview" in the dashboard20:22
lbragstadoh - wow, i was way off20:22
lbragstadnevermind20:22
lbragstadfrom a regular user perspective (anyone you isn't an admin) the overview would be pretty boring from an identity perspective20:23
robcresswellThere's both an admin and project panel20:23
lbragstadonce you start getting into project/domain admin-like thing, then it's more interesting20:23
robcresswellIf you've any suggestions on what might be good to see, fire away20:24
robcresswellWe're looking at expanding quota coverage and adding common actions to the page... launch instance etc.20:24
lbragstadas an admin - maybe it's useful to see the total number of projects?20:24
lbragstador total number of users?20:24
robcresswelllbragstad: How easily retrievable are those? Is there an API for those values, or is it a list and count situation?20:25
lbragstadit'd be a list and count situation20:25
david-lylejust need pagination20:25
* david-lyle ducks20:25
robcresswell:( list and count makes me sad20:26
lbragstadit's certainly not necessary - if the only way to do it is suboptimal20:26
robcresswellI'll look into it. We're going to have to do a similar thing for Neutron anyway since they only offer Limits20:26
robcresswellCinder & nova have usages, though with slightly different implementations... >.<20:27
david-lylefor a reasonable installation, I don't think it's even possible, the list will truncate20:27
* robcresswell should stop before the rant takes over again.20:27
lbragstadwait - usage...20:27
lbragstadthe usage implementation is different between nova and cinder?20:28
lbragstadjust different in how horizon has to ask for the information?20:28
lbragstador different in how the data is represented?20:28
robcresswellsame representations, just slightly different calls20:28
lbragstadaha20:29
robcresswellThis kind of thing is irksome when you try and write common implementations20:29
lbragstadsure20:29
robcresswellWhat should be a loop becomes a different interface for each service :/20:29
lbragstadnot sure how much it will help this specific conversation, but we have the limit implementation being proposed to keystone now20:29
robcresswellWell, whatever you do, just make it the same as the previous guys20:30
lbragstadwhich will eventually have an impact on how services calculate useage20:30
robcresswellI discovered today that services format error messages differently too, that was fun.20:30
lbragstadnice20:30
robcresswelllike keystone is error.message and ironic is error_message.faultstring20:31
robcresswellbecause why not :)20:31
lbragstad;)20:31
robcresswellIs that part of the wider hierarchical quota effort?20:31
lbragstadyeah - coming to some sort of agreement on limits is essentially the first step20:32
robcresswellNice, I saw that thread20:33
lbragstadfrom there we want to try and propose a library that calculates usage consistently so it can be consumed across the projects20:33
robcresswell\o/20:33
lbragstadand not leave the projects high and dry to make different assumptions20:33
lbragstadabout usage20:34
lbragstadper sdague's note, we want to try and come to consensus on the approach this week and give it a yay or nay for pike20:34
robcresswellYeah, the only solution for Neutron right now is to get their limits and then run a list for every resource and count them :/20:34
robcresswellwhich is obviously slow20:34
lbragstadso neutron currently doesn't supply a quota API?20:35
robcresswellNot as far as I can tell20:35
lbragstadit gives you a limit and the total number of things and you have to do the usage calculation?20:35
robcresswellI've tried asking in the channel, but I think you have to be a core to get a reponse20:35
robcresswellJust a limit for how many of X you can create20:36
lbragstadok - interesting20:36
lbragstadthat would directly benefit from the work we'll be doing then20:36
lbragstadbecause the limit would be moved into keystone20:36
robcresswellThen you have to calculate whats being used via lists. Again, might be misinformed, but thats all I could find.20:36
lbragstadand the usage calculation would be done by a library invoked by neutron20:36
robcresswellAnything common would be fantastic20:37
robcresswellWriting UIs on top of OpenStack is fairly horrible right now20:37
lbragstadyeah - in every way we've thought about it, we can't not have a common thing20:37
robcresswellI would rather our APIs were common and bad than inconsistently good and bad, haha.20:38
lbragstad:)20:38
robcresswellAnyway, I think we can call the meeting, unless anyone has anything else to discuss?20:38
lbragstadI'm good20:39
robcresswellI'll keep an eye on the limits discussion20:39
robcresswellGreat, thanks for your time everyone20:39
robcresswell#endmeeting20:39
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lbragstadrobcresswell  https://review.openstack.org/44081520:39
robcresswellthanks lbragstad20:40
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lbragstadrobcresswell np, thanks for running the meeting :)20:41
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