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| ildikov | #startmeeting cinder-nova-api-changes | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 17:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder-nova-api-changes)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder_nova_api_changes' | 17:00 |
| ildikov | scottda DuncanT ameade cFouts johnthetubaguy jaypipes takashin alaski e0ne jgriffith tbarron andrearosa hemna erlon mriedem gouthamr ebalduf patrickeast smcginnis diablo_rojo gsilvis xyang1 raj_singh lyarwood | 17:00 |
| scottda | hi | 17:00 |
| hemna | yough | 17:00 |
| breitz | hi | 17:00 |
| lyarwood | \o_ | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | That time again? :) | 17:01 |
| ildikov | hi :) | 17:01 |
| ildikov | I will need to switch to my phone in about 25 minutes as I need to get from one place to the other | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | wait, what day is it? | 17:01 |
| ildikov | #chair scottda smcginnis | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ildikov scottda smcginnis | 17:01 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: don't worry it's Thursday :) | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | :) | 17:02 |
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| ildikov | I pinged the Nova guys, hopefully they can join | 17:02 |
| ildikov | I updated the etherpad with the latest items | 17:03 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-nova-api-changes | 17:03 |
| ildikov | I think the most urgent is to figure out how to get Cinder V3 tested on the gate with Nova | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | ildikov +1 | 17:03 |
| ildikov | both from the perspective of the new API and V3 in general | 17:04 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Were you still hitting issues trying to run just v3? | 17:04 |
| scottda | did mattR put up a patch for that? | 17:04 |
| ildikov | we need some updates so we can pass extra config options to devstack on the gate to use the right endpoints, etc | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yup | 17:04 |
| ildikov | scottda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326585/ | 17:04 |
| smcginnis | Anyone else tried this? | 17:04 |
| ildikov | scottda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-pike | 17:05 |
| scottda | I've been running v3 with nova and it's working | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis I actually just tried running master against V3 (without the new attach stuff) and it seems broken | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | scottda oh really? | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | scottda you had a succesful tempest run? do tell? | 17:05 |
| scottda | jgriffith: Not with nova patches for new attach stuff, just using old stuff and cinder v3 | 17:05 |
| scottda | no, haven't run tempest | 17:05 |
| ildikov | scottda: tempest you mean or manual testing? | 17:05 |
| ildikov | scottda: ok :) | 17:06 |
| scottda | I actually ran yesterday and had failures with volume create and delete stuff timing out. | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | scottda so I've been trying to just get a clean tempest run WITHOUT new attach/detach in Nova, just setting nova/volume/cinder.py endpoint to V3 | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | scottda I get all sorts of failures for invalid parameters, unexpected results etc etc | 17:06 |
| scottda | jgriffith: yes, me too, and getting failures as well. | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | well what the heck? | 17:07 |
| jgriffith | can I just move the new code back into V2 then? and we can remove all the V3 stuff since it doesn't work anyway :) | 17:07 |
| scottda | but I'm setting nova.conf to use cinder v3. and seeing errors in unexpected places... | 17:07 |
| scottda | jgriffith: sure, go for it. | 17:07 |
| jgriffith | scottda yeah, because we never tested any of this :( | 17:07 |
| * bswartz sneaks in late | 17:08 | |
| ildikov | the basic volume create works with manual testing, so it must be some config issue I guess or at least partially that | 17:08 |
| smcginnis | I'm confused. It should be the exact same code when not using microversions. | 17:08 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: yeah, that's why I think there's something with config | 17:09 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis emphasis on *should* | 17:09 |
| scottda | yeah, v2 and v3.0 are the same | 17:09 |
| smcginnis | As our microversion expert, I blame scottda. :P | 17:10 |
| scottda | I can set nova to use cinder v3 and attach and detach. I can verify the calls go through cinder v3 | 17:10 |
| scottda | I can use my POC patch to use cinder v3.27 | 17:10 |
| ildikov | it would be great to figure this out until the PTG, so if we can get the devstack bits through then we can turn on testing in the placement API job in Nova | 17:11 |
| scottda | I'll work on finding and debugging tempest failures | 17:11 |
| scottda | And I'm working on getting rid of the term "microversions" and using "API versions" | 17:11 |
| ildikov | to get at least V3 tested on a regular basis as a starting point | 17:11 |
| scottda | :) | 17:11 |
| ildikov | scottda: or just use apple pie :) | 17:12 |
| scottda | ha..I prefer pizza | 17:12 |
| ildikov | I'm fine with that too :) | 17:13 |
| scottda | Well, ultimately the nova people will need to decide how to use the new cinder apis, based on how to figure out if the cinder server supports them | 17:13 |
| jgriffith | scottda ummmm | 17:14 |
| jgriffith | scottda that's not really how this community works... "Here, let me throw this over the wall... now it's your problem" | 17:15 |
| scottda | jgriffith: That's now what I'm saying | 17:15 |
| scottda | I'm talking about in the code for nova/compute/manager.py | 17:15 |
| scottda | in attach | 17:15 |
| jgriffith | scottda "Well, ultimately the nova people will need to decide how to use the new cinder apis" | 17:15 |
| ildikov | scottda: which part of that? | 17:15 |
| scottda | There could be: try:...new stuff except: use old stuff | 17:15 |
| ildikov | there already is | 17:15 |
| scottda | or some kind of if: is_new_stuff() else: use old stuff | 17:16 |
| jgriffith | scottda ildikov and I have already been working on that | 17:16 |
| ildikov | scottda: in compute/manager.py it works like a charm already for attach | 17:16 |
| jgriffith | scottda the problem is the Cinder V3 stuff doesn't seem to work right | 17:16 |
| smcginnis | We need to make sure the new stuff is working right. But I think scottda's saying _how_ those get implemented in Nova and handled will need to be up to the nova team. | 17:16 |
| jgriffith | scottda the only calls that work are the new attach/detach calls | 17:16 |
| scottda | jgriffith: Not for me. They all work | 17:16 |
| ildikov | scottda: we manual tested it with jgriffith only as tempest is broken anyhow and used hardcoded numbers, but the mechanism itself works | 17:16 |
| jgriffith | scottda you're confusing me... I *thought* you said you saw tempest failures as well? | 17:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: if we make it work they will be fine, that's why we play with the PoC, but they will have the final word on it for sure | 17:17 |
| jgriffith | scottda ok, if they all work for you, paste your config, I'll give it another go and see what I missed | 17:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: unfortunately we don't have merge rights for that repo... :) | 17:17 |
| jgriffith | but on my side any time nova calls volume-create/delete/snapshot it fails | 17:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: or maybe luckily, I'm not sure :) | 17:18 |
| scottda | I saw tempest failures that seemed unrelated. | 17:18 |
| lyarwood | jgriffith: do you have your nova POC change to hand? | 17:18 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: ;) | 17:18 |
| jgriffith | lyarwood https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330285/ | 17:18 |
| lyarwood | jgriffith: thanks | 17:18 |
| jgriffith | lyarwood I modified that a bit and just set the URL by brute force in my cinder.py file | 17:18 |
| scottda | I have this in /etc/nova/nova.conf | 17:19 |
| scottda | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/j1ynr31m/ | 17:19 |
| scottda | and restart n-cpu | 17:19 |
| jgriffith | scottda ok, I'll set that and run tempest | 17:19 |
| jgriffith | scottda thanks | 17:19 |
| scottda | and I use this: https://review.openstack.org/420201 | 17:19 |
| ildikov | scottda: yeap, that's what I use too | 17:19 |
| ildikov | scottda: I think you can leave out the manager.py part from that patch and just get the microversion part fixed | 17:23 |
| scottda | ildikov: yeah, that's just a demo to show it works | 17:23 |
| scottda | ildikov: I don't want to go further until we discuss *how* and *when* to get cinder server version info | 17:24 |
| scottda | Some folks in cinder suggest we could put something in nova.conf | 17:24 |
| scottda | just have the admin configure to say " use_cinder_version: 3.27" or something like that | 17:24 |
| ildikov | scottda: for PoC purposes it's fine, we have those parts in compute/api.py and will figure out the manager part as it might get tricky with old/new volumes mixed | 17:24 |
| ildikov | scottda: that's API facing config, that should not go into nova.conf | 17:25 |
| ildikov | scottda: I agree with the Nova folks regarding to that | 17:25 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so that's even worse than what I had: http://paste.openstack.org/show/597404/ | 17:25 |
| jgriffith | my config obviously must be wrong | 17:26 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: :( | 17:26 |
| jgriffith | yeah... all Identity errors | 17:26 |
| scottda | jgriffith: I'm guessing. I'm running now and not seeing errors yet | 17:26 |
| jgriffith | scottda cool, merge it | 17:26 |
| jgriffith | :) | 17:26 |
| ildikov | scottda: smcginnis: I need switch to my phone, but I made you chairs, so if I seem to be lost please end the meeting when it's time | 17:27 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: LOL | 17:27 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Got it. | 17:27 |
| jgriffith | My URL obviously must be incorrect | 17:27 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: tnx :) | 17:27 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Maybe try isolating the run down to one or a handful of tests to try to see how/where it's breaking down? | 17:27 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis I did that yesterday :) | 17:28 |
| jgriffith | first I want to get to the same level that scottda and ildikov are instead of brute forcing the URL in myself | 17:28 |
| scottda | jgriffith: ATM, I'm running a fresh devstack with only the new cinder v3 in nova.conf | 17:28 |
| scottda | that's the only change | 17:29 |
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| jgriffith | scottda alright, well if it works then awesome | 17:29 |
| scottda | AFter that, I'll test my POC and have nova prefer v3.0 | 17:29 |
| scottda | then work on 3.27 | 17:29 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: you can hardcore the catalog_info in the Nova code too if you don't like the config file | 17:30 |
| scottda | ildikov: It's be nice to get things working without hard-coded changes. | 17:30 |
| scottda | s/It's/It'd | 17:30 |
| ildikov | scottda: we will switch that one day anyhow :) | 17:31 |
| ildikov | I hope at least | 17:31 |
| scottda | ildikov: OK. I'm not really sure where in the code you are talking about. but OK | 17:31 |
| smcginnis | So 1) get it working with hard coding, 2) figure out preferred way to do it without hard coding, 3) propose way for nova to start using the microversion calls? | 17:32 |
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| jgriffith | ildikov yeah, that's what I was doing that I only had like 22 failures | 17:32 |
| jgriffith | but since scottda gets a clean run must be something wrong on my side, trying to figure it out now | 17:32 |
| ildikov | scottda: where the config stuff is and the catalog_info is set to v2 by default | 17:32 |
| scottda | jgriffith: I haven't gotten a clean run yet...just progressed beyond the 111 failures you've pasted. | 17:33 |
| scottda | I'm running now | 17:33 |
| jgriffith | 91 | 17:33 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I started my tempest run with the new stuff in, but will let you know if I hit any unrelated changes | 17:33 |
| ildikov | s/changes/failures :) | 17:34 |
| ildikov | Do we have anything more regarding Tempest? | 17:37 |
| smcginnis | Guess we can't really do much until we see that passing. | 17:38 |
| ildikov | Don't think so either | 17:38 |
| ildikov | We need to look into what we would want to discuss on the PTG | 17:39 |
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| ildikov | Both regarding Nova and what we need to still fix on the Cinder part for multi-attach | 17:40 |
| ildikov | As we still haven't figured out detach in that scenario | 17:40 |
| scottda | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fDEInZJz/ | 17:41 |
| ildikov | And I became very unpopular now it seems :) | 17:41 |
| scottda | I'll start looking at those 12 failures | 17:41 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Sorry. Yeah, I agree we need to discuss those. | 17:42 |
| hemna | ooh multi-attach. is that still a 4 letter word? | 17:42 |
| ildikov | That's a bit more friendly than 91 | 17:42 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yes. :) | 17:43 |
| ildikov | hemna: it depends on which four letters you pick :) | 17:43 |
| * bswartz is sad that multiattach is so hard | 17:43 | |
| scottda | looks to be all "no valid host found" | 17:43 |
| smcginnis | Had to laugh (sadly) to myself yesterday looking back through some old Cinder meeting logs. We were talking about this in June of 2015. | 17:44 |
| ildikov | bswartz: it's not, it's the drivers' fault... | 17:44 |
| bswartz | ildikov: lies! | 17:44 |
| bswartz | the driver interface encourages drivers to not support multiattach, but it can be done | 17:45 |
| ildikov | bswartz: maybe a bit exaggeration but not lie | 17:45 |
| bswartz | live migration would never have been possible without drivers implementing multiattach through a back door interface | 17:45 |
| bswartz | and live migration works perfectly well on at least a few drivers | 17:45 |
| ildikov | bswartz: I meant the detach issues | 17:45 |
| bswartz | ah | 17:46 |
| ildikov | bswartz: you don't have attached to the same host twice with live migration | 17:46 |
| bswartz | ildikov: that's a different statement than multi attach not working though | 17:47 |
| ildikov | bswartz: but you can have two instances on the same host with multiattach and that's when things get messy | 17:47 |
| hemna | yup | 17:47 |
| bswartz | I agree we need some kind of smarter ref counting to know when detaches are safe | 17:47 |
| bswartz | that's can't possibly be blamed on drivers however | 17:48 |
| bswartz | s/that's/that/ | 17:48 |
| ildikov | bswartz: if you cannot safely detach I consider that as not working | 17:48 |
| scottda | Technically, multi-detach doesn't work | 17:48 |
| scottda | multi-attach is fine | 17:48 |
| ildikov | bswartz: back ends handle the target differently, one exports a new one for each attachment others have one per host | 17:49 |
| ildikov | so it's not just ref count anymore | 17:49 |
| ildikov | but you need to know which back end we're using, etc | 17:50 |
| bswartz | that problem isn't solvable at the driver level, it needs the manager to implement something | 17:50 |
| ildikov | It needs both I think | 17:50 |
| bswartz | well yes, the drivers have to implement whatever new logic the manager requires | 17:51 |
| ildikov | You cannot solve this without driver support | 17:51 |
| hemna | I thought drivers were supposed to put a shared flag in the return of initialize_connection ? | 17:51 |
| bswartz | ildikov: maybe we can agree on "it's all the driver INTERFACE's fault" | 17:51 |
| ildikov | bswartz: I can live with that, yes :) | 17:52 |
| ildikov | so as a summary we need to figure out how to solve this in Cinder | 17:53 |
| ildikov | Also things are popping up like supporting volume name for the new attach/detach calls | 17:54 |
| ildikov | I added that to the etherpad, we have a bug report for that | 17:54 |
| ildikov | We can just have bug reports for things that pop up and see what's urgent to fix | 17:55 |
| bswartz | ildikov: well we can blame the driver interface on vish because he isn't here | 17:56 |
| ildikov | hemna: I think that flag sounds good | 17:56 |
| ildikov | hemna: we just need to agree that's the way and get the drivers updated | 17:56 |
| bswartz | I think I'm the owner of an ancient bug related to detach not working on the NFS driver for exactly this kind of reason | 17:56 |
| hemna | ildikov, so by default drivers don't support the multi attach flag | 17:57 |
| jgriffith | hemna that could work, but I was also going to add supports_multiattach to the capabilities | 17:57 |
| hemna | so they'll have to submit a patch to support it. part of that review could be ensuring that they pass back the shared flag | 17:57 |
| ildikov | bswartz: oh, then plz get involved in fixing this :) | 17:57 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I think we already have one... | 17:57 |
| jgriffith | default is False, so if you don't update your driver when we get this all settled then your out of luck | 17:57 |
| jgriffith | hemna can't use it | 17:58 |
| ildikov | hemna: not even LVM? | 17:58 |
| jgriffith | unless I set everybody that has it to False | 17:58 |
| bswartz | ildikov: if I had the spare time I would | 17:58 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: That'd be fair for now. | 17:58 |
| jgriffith | defeats the purpose of flagging drivers that need updated | 17:58 |
| jgriffith | until the terminate_connection stuff is sorted and updated in the driver can't trust it | 17:58 |
| ildikov | bswartz: any idea on how to fix or just testing stuff sometimes is help, so whatever you can chime in is good | 17:59 |
| bswartz | ildikov: I'll do what I can | 18:00 |
| ildikov | bswartz: thanks | 18:00 |
| hemna | yah we already have folks reporting multiattach in capabilities | 18:00 |
| ildikov | we need to turn this off somehow for now as the code does not prevent from using it | 18:01 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/pure.py#L545 | 18:01 |
| ildikov | We're out of time :( | 18:01 |
| hemna | well, we can submit a patch to set all of those to False | 18:02 |
| hemna | :) | 18:02 |
| hemna | it's a small list of drivers | 18:02 |
| hemna | pure, zte, netapp, ibm | 18:02 |
| ildikov | sounds good to me! | 18:03 |
| hemna | 3par as well | 18:03 |
| ildikov | Let's set those false too for now and figure out detach | 18:04 |
| ildikov | Do we have anything else for today? | 18:04 |
| ildikov | Ok, let's close this meeting and fix what we agreed on | 18:06 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks | 18:06 |
| jgriffith | ildikov scottda smcginnis FYI clean tempest run! | 18:06 |
| ildikov | Have a nice rest of your day | 18:06 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Really? Awesome. What was the difference? | 18:06 |
| scottda | jgriffith: Cool | 18:06 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: awesome! | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis the URL being used if V2 | 18:07 |
| scottda | jgriffith: What do you have for RAM and number of cpus? | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | "GET /v2/422f4b0126b4473f93f7e3ce46918c32/volumes/ce025819-f959-46a9-8 | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | vs | 18:07 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I knew it!!! :) | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | "GET /v3/422f4b0126b4473f93f7e3ce46918c32/volumes/ce025819-f959-46a9-8 | 18:07 |
| smcginnis | Darn version #s. :) | 18:07 |
| jgriffith | 8 gig and 8 cores | 18:07 |
| scottda | hmmm..ok, I"ve 8GB and 2 cores | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | My hack was using the 'v3' | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | but I think you may miss the point :) | 18:08 |
| scottda | I think point is that it works with v2 | 18:08 |
| scottda | :) | 18:08 |
| jgriffith | scottda :). In that case you got my point :) | 18:09 |
| ildikov | Let's stick with v2 then :) | 18:09 |
| jgriffith | ildikov LOL | 18:09 |
| ildikov | Drop v3 and micro versions :) | 18:09 |
| jgriffith | ildikov is it Christmas already? | 18:10 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I see snow so it might be :) | 18:10 |
| ildikov | Ok, let's switch to the Cinder channel for more version fun :) | 18:12 |
| ildikov | Thank y'all for today :) | 18:12 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 18:12:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder_nova_api_changes/2017/cinder_nova_api_changes.2017-02-02-17.00.html | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder_nova_api_changes/2017/cinder_nova_api_changes.2017-02-02-17.00.txt | 18:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder_nova_api_changes/2017/cinder_nova_api_changes.2017-02-02-17.00.log.html | 18:12 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks for getting the new time set up. | 18:13 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: no probs, everything for the team! :) | 18:13 |
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