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| thingee | sdague: does the tng group still do standup - or are things on hold? | 15:21 |
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| sdague | thingee: things are still on hold right now, once the api-ref stuff is under control I'll kick it back up | 15:22 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting cinder-nova-api-changes | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 17:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder-nova-api-changes)" | 17:00 | |
| smcginnis | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder_nova_api_changes' | 17:00 |
| scottda | hi | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| ildikov | scottda ildikov DuncanT ameade cFouts johnthetubaguy jaypipes takashin alaski e0ne jgriffith tbarron andrearosa hemna erlon mriedem gouthamr ebalduf patrickeast smcginnis diablo_rojo gsilvis | 17:00 |
| ildikov | hi | 17:00 |
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| alaski | o/ | 17:01 |
| thingee | mriedem: I'm not sure why my question is being avoided after I asked twice. Is this because it's a priority problem in nova, or because it never will be for multiattach. | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | Do we have an agenda up somewhere? | 17:01 |
| ildikov | as far as I know jgriffith_ is out today, but we still have a few items to touch on | 17:01 |
| cFouts | o/ | 17:01 |
| mriedem | thingee: later | 17:01 |
| ildikov | etherpad with info: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-nova-api-changes | 17:02 |
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| aimeeu | lurking and learning | 17:02 |
| mriedem | there were some items from ildikov's meeting minutes from last week | 17:02 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: I added the list of items we are targeting to get done to the etherpad | 17:02 |
| mriedem | " John Griffith will work on the above described solution, that target is to have patches up by next week." | 17:02 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks! | 17:02 |
| ildikov | we can go through those | 17:02 |
| hemna | I have a question | 17:03 |
| hemna | I'm working on a nova patch to not call check_attach at attach time | 17:03 |
| ildikov | I haven't seen patch(es) up from John yet | 17:03 |
| hemna | and check_attach does 2 things. 1) it checks internal state of the volume and 2) checks the availability zone | 17:04 |
| hemna | does it make sense to add an optional AZ param to os-attach ? | 17:04 |
| hemna | and have cinder check at os-reserve ? | 17:04 |
| hemna | or just keep the check on the nova side only | 17:05 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/026468772672215d34a593e631d1e62d6a615aa4/nova/volume/cinder.py#L279 | 17:05 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/volume/cinder.py#L289-L299 | 17:05 |
| mriedem | so, the az stuff is a mess kind of | 17:05 |
| hemna | I was just working on moving that code into a check_availability_zone() call in there instead | 17:05 |
| hemna | but before I go forward, I'd like to hear opinions on it | 17:05 |
| mriedem | see https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/026468772672215d34a593e631d1e62d6a615aa4/nova/virt/block_device.py#L60 | 17:05 |
| mriedem | ^ is really for boot from volume where nova creates the volume | 17:06 |
| hemna | I'd prefer to change nova's attach code to simply call os-reserve | 17:06 |
| mriedem | because nova will create the volume in the same AZ that the instance is in, which might not exist in cinder | 17:06 |
| hemna | instead of a volume get, then check, then os-reserve | 17:07 |
| mriedem | hemna: i think the az check in the api just needs to remain a separate thing | 17:07 |
| mriedem | see my todo here https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/026468772672215d34a593e631d1e62d6a615aa4/nova/virt/block_device.py#L79 | 17:07 |
| mriedem | i've had a long-term wish of creating the volume in nova-api for boot from volume, and then attaching it later | 17:07 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L3095 | 17:08 |
| mriedem | so we do all of the az checking and stuff with cinder in the api rather than on the compute | 17:08 |
| hemna | that thing | 17:08 |
| scottda | But for nova to do the AZ check, it will still need the volume.get, which defeats the point of what hemna is trying to do. | 17:08 |
| hemna | I was hoping could simply be a call to self.volume_api.reserve_Volume() | 17:08 |
| hemna | scottda, +1 | 17:08 |
| hemna | yah | 17:08 |
| hemna | so there is that. | 17:08 |
| hemna | the get, then reserve means there is still a race | 17:09 |
| mriedem | so you'd have to pass the az to os-reserve | 17:09 |
| hemna | yah | 17:09 |
| hemna | as an optional param | 17:09 |
| hemna | if it's there, cinder tests it. | 17:09 |
| mriedem | re: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L3095 ndipanov had a patch for a race in there also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290793/ | 17:09 |
| hemna | if it's not, it assumes it's open, re: no AZ | 17:09 |
| mriedem | yeah, and nova's logic for passing the az would be based on what we have in https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/026468772672215d34a593e631d1e62d6a615aa4/nova/virt/block_device.py#L60 | 17:10 |
| mriedem | for bfv | 17:10 |
| mriedem | shall we take notes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-nova-api-changes ? | 17:11 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/volume/cinder.py#L289 | 17:11 |
| hemna | so right now, that's checked | 17:12 |
| hemna | kinda the same thing | 17:12 |
| mriedem | yeah, nova would just need to re-use some logic to determine if it needs to pass the az to os-reserve | 17:12 |
| hemna | sounds like the _get_volume_create_az_value() needs to be public | 17:12 |
| mriedem | if CONF.cinder.cross_az_attach, we'd pass None | 17:12 |
| ildikov | mriedem: I will add the decision points to the etherpad after the meeting | 17:12 |
| hemna | I don't see any AZ check on the cinder side | 17:14 |
| hemna | so I dunno | 17:14 |
| scottda | I don't think there's any AZ checks enforced in Cinder | 17:14 |
| mriedem | yes there is | 17:14 |
| mriedem | when creating the volume | 17:14 |
| mriedem | nova can pass an az and if it doesn't exist cinder fails the volume create request | 17:15 |
| mriedem | UNLESS | 17:15 |
| mriedem | you set a backdoor config option to ignore htat | 17:15 |
| mriedem | *that | 17:15 |
| hemna | the create flow passes in an AZ | 17:15 |
| smcginnis | Unless a fallback is configured. | 17:15 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: right, which was a hack because we didn't have the fix in nova | 17:15 |
| mriedem | which is https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/026468772672215d34a593e631d1e62d6a615aa4/nova/virt/block_device.py#L60 | 17:15 |
| hemna | bleh | 17:15 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/f9a51b970f688b90baf0ae3ef31d79b3fec02ed1 | 17:15 |
| hemna | ok, so I don't want to make the AZ nightmare worse | 17:15 |
| scottda | hemna: You made is worse by mentioning it. | 17:16 |
| mriedem | well, passing the az to os-reserve and cinder checking if it's provided, isn't really making it worse | 17:16 |
| mriedem | if nova doesn't provide it, it's a noop | 17:16 |
| hemna | scottda, :) | 17:16 |
| mriedem | if cinder microversion isn't new enough for nova to pass it, then nova still has to check like it is today | 17:16 |
| hemna | I guess the real question is, should cinder care? | 17:16 |
| hemna | should cinder be doing the check and fail if the AZ doesn't match ? | 17:17 |
| mriedem | so, | 17:17 |
| mriedem | when i was fixing this bug in nova, i had a thread in the ML about removing the nova cross_az_attach option | 17:17 |
| scottda | There are use cases where deployers had geographically distinct AZs, so this was needed. | 17:17 |
| hemna | afaik AZ is a nova concept ? | 17:17 |
| mriedem | and there were operators saying they relied on it | 17:17 |
| mriedem | scottda: yes | 17:17 |
| mriedem | that | 17:17 |
| scottda | We did it in our (now defunct) public cloud... | 17:17 |
| mriedem | see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-September/008252.html | 17:18 |
| mriedem | for some light bedtime reading | 17:18 |
| hemna | :) | 17:18 |
| smcginnis | The backdoor config option work brought up the fact that AZs were never fully baked. | 17:18 |
| mriedem | starts here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-September/008224.html | 17:18 |
| scottda | Yeah, the terminology is vague, and that's part of the problem....but we still have to live with it. | 17:18 |
| hemna | and by 'fully baked' does that mean that nova should be passing the AZ in calls to Cinder ? | 17:18 |
| hemna | so that they can both be on the same page? | 17:18 |
| mriedem | this is the cinder workaround https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217857/ | 17:18 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I think to fully support and enforce AZs, yeah. :/ | 17:19 |
| mriedem | there are some decent details and background in the commit message of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227564/ | 17:19 |
| hemna | so if a user creates a volume, is the AZ set? and to what? and how is that checked against attach calls from nova ? | 17:19 |
| smcginnis | But maybe we should shelve this az discussion for now and get back to multiattach. AZs are an issue for single and multi attach. | 17:19 |
| hemna | bleh | 17:19 |
| * hemna cowers in defeat | 17:20 | |
| mriedem | so ftr, to fully remove nova's check_attach, cinder's os-reserve would need to take an az | 17:20 |
| mriedem | to validate it | 17:20 |
| hemna | mriedem, yah | 17:20 |
| mriedem | at least to be consistent with how things are today | 17:20 |
| hemna | that's why I brought it up | 17:20 |
| mriedem | let it be written in the etherpad for all time! | 17:20 |
| ildikov | I guess we can make the 'check_attach' removal a two step process | 17:20 |
| hemna | so, if I still do the AZ check on the nova side | 17:21 |
| hemna | the race is smaller | 17:21 |
| hemna | at least nova won't be checking volume state | 17:21 |
| scottda | Yeah, but that's a bit of code churn and review time for an incomplete fix... | 17:21 |
| hemna | I think eventually, we do want to just pass the AZ to cinder and then nova can call reserve w/o a get. | 17:21 |
| hemna | I won't change the functionality of check_attach for now. | 17:22 |
| hemna | but I will refactor the AZ check out of there | 17:22 |
| mriedem | scottda: it's just a bug fix really | 17:22 |
| hemna | and then simply call the new AZ check after the get. | 17:22 |
| mriedem | yeah i think hemna and i are on the same page | 17:22 |
| scottda | fair enough | 17:22 |
| hemna | then reserve_volume will catch the state checks. | 17:22 |
| ildikov | is it only the BFV case? | 17:23 |
| mriedem | no | 17:23 |
| scottda | ildikov: no | 17:23 |
| ildikov | I mean when check_AZ will need to be called | 17:23 |
| mriedem | so in the remaining 7 minutes i have... | 17:23 |
| hemna | ok I'll forge ahead with this and push it up today then. | 17:23 |
| mriedem | hemna: you might want to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290793/ too | 17:23 |
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| ildikov | cool, added a note to the etherpad about the AZ check | 17:24 |
| hemna | mriedem, ok will do | 17:25 |
| ildikov | mriedem: can you check the multiattach spec when you have some time? | 17:25 |
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| mriedem | ildikov: is it any different from mitaka? | 17:25 |
| ildikov | mriedem: slightly updated, I added a link to the etherpad so that we would not need to add implementation details to the spec regarding how to sort out things in Cinder | 17:26 |
| mriedem | because i was under the impression that the multiattach spec was going to be dependent on the POC that jgriffith_ was going to be doing | 17:26 |
| ildikov | does this mean we can talk about approving it, when that is ready? | 17:26 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer to not land a bunch of technical debt in nova just to get this in | 17:27 |
| ildikov | the Cinder part is a dependency in the sepc, if these issues are not sorted out, than we're in trouble anyway | 17:28 |
| ildikov | it does not mean to sort it out in Nova instead in my view | 17:28 |
| mriedem | ok i'll have to review the spec to see the changes then | 17:29 |
| ildikov | and the plan is to get them done :) | 17:29 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to review multiattach nova spec | 17:29 |
| ildikov | tnx | 17:29 |
| mriedem | #action hemna to poke at cleaning up nova check_attach | 17:29 |
| hemna | coolio | 17:29 |
| mriedem | what's the status on cinder migrate testing on the multinode job in the gate? | 17:29 |
| ildikov | if there's anything Nova specific that's missing I will add it | 17:29 |
| scottda | mriedem: We're starting with cinder migrate on a single node. We think we can get that working.... | 17:30 |
| scottda | But it looks like Devstack support for multi-backend was removed. I'm trying to figure out why, and what alternative exists. | 17:30 |
| mriedem | scottda: as in resize? | 17:31 |
| scottda | But eventually want multi-node as well. | 17:31 |
| hemna | wait what? | 17:31 |
| hemna | cinder multi-backend removed from devstack ? | 17:31 |
| scottda | no, just have 2 LVM volume groups as separate backends, and migrate between them on a single node. | 17:31 |
| thingee | mriedem: no like like multi drivers | 17:31 |
| scottda | hemna: No, I've actually found a way to do it, the syntax has changed... | 17:32 |
| scottda | and | 17:32 |
| scottda | and Tempest multi-backend tests are failing for me. Not sure why. | 17:32 |
| mriedem | and that will still test swap volume? | 17:32 |
| scottda | yes, calling cinder migrate will call swap volume. | 17:33 |
| mriedem | ok, do we want to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312773/ ? | 17:34 |
| scottda | What do you think of that patch mriedem ? | 17:35 |
| mriedem | honestly i haven't had the time to dig into it | 17:35 |
| mriedem | would be nice to see the live migration job or multi node job passing on it | 17:36 |
| mriedem | but those are super flaky | 17:36 |
| mriedem | i can dig into the test failures for volume-backed live migration | 17:36 |
| mriedem | and see if they are related | 17:36 |
| mriedem | finally, before i go, | 17:37 |
| mriedem | anyone talked to jgriffith_ on the os-initialize_connection changes? | 17:38 |
| scottda | no, I haven't | 17:38 |
| ildikov | mriedem: the job says for live migration that it passed, but I might missed smth in the logs... | 17:38 |
| ildikov | mriedem: I talked to him briefly, he's working on it, but we couldn't go into details | 17:38 |
| mriedem | ildikov: yeah http://logs.openstack.org/73/312773/1/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration/c57f6b9/console.html#_2016-05-08_09_14_44_572 | 17:39 |
| hemna | the experimental jobs seem.....borked almost every time. :( | 17:39 |
| scottda | I think John said in IRC that he had unit tests for his patch mostly passing... | 17:39 |
| ildikov | hemna: it's weird a bit, it congratulates you and then marks the test failed... | 17:39 |
| hemna | hehe | 17:40 |
| mriedem | it is | 17:40 |
| scottda | like a participation trophy. | 17:40 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/73/312773/1/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration/c57f6b9/console.html#_2016-05-08_09_18_59_360 | 17:40 |
| mriedem | setting up ceph | 17:40 |
| mriedem | i've pinged tdurakov on that, he works on that job | 17:40 |
| ildikov | mriedem: scottda: I will try to catch him and add notes to the etherpad about that item this week or early next | 17:41 |
| mriedem | that job sets up various storage backends in a single job | 17:41 |
| mriedem | and runs the same 4 tests | 17:41 |
| mriedem | looks like it's not working for ceph atm | 17:41 |
| mriedem | ildikov: ok | 17:41 |
| mriedem | alright, over by 11 minutes | 17:41 |
| mriedem | anything else? | 17:41 |
| ildikov | also this time next week might be tricky for me | 17:41 |
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| ildikov | but will try my best | 17:42 |
| mriedem | change the time as needed | 17:42 |
| scottda | Let's work on a new time. It'd be nice to have JohnGarbuttt here, and JohnG as well | 17:42 |
| ildikov | also I know johnthetubaguy cannot make it at this slot, so if it's problematic to either of you in general please let me know and then we can find another one | 17:42 |
| hemna | ok | 17:42 |
| mriedem | also, fyi, i'm out from 5/20-5/30 | 17:42 |
| hemna | thanks for the help guys | 17:42 |
| mriedem | back on 5/31 | 17:42 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Nice | 17:43 |
| ildikov | mriedem: ok, thanks for the info | 17:43 |
| scottda | ok, bye all. | 17:43 |
| ildikov | I will reach out to you regarding time slots | 17:43 |
| ildikov | thanks all! | 17:43 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder_nova_api_changes/2016/cinder_nova_api_changes.2016-05-12-17.00.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder_nova_api_changes/2016/cinder_nova_api_changes.2016-05-12-17.00.txt | 17:44 |
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