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| vilobhmm111 | #startmeeting quotas-wg | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 16:59:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vilobhmm111. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quotas_wg' | 16:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | hi everyone | 16:59 |
| nikhil | o/ | 16:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | welcome back after the summit ! | 16:59 |
| nikhil | :) | 16:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | hi nikhil | 17:00 |
| nikhil | hi vilobhmm111 | 17:00 |
| nikhil | guess just two of us :) | 17:00 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : :) | 17:00 |
| vilobhmm111 | seems like it | 17:01 |
| vilobhmm111 | thanks for reviewing the spec | 17:01 |
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| vilobhmm111 | also please include the glance use case in the review | 17:01 |
| nikhil | yw! | 17:01 |
| nikhil | I think we are deferring to the way delimiter evolution for now | 17:01 |
| nikhil | the glance use case described during the summit may or may not be implemented | 17:01 |
| nikhil | basically there are two school of thoughts there | 17:02 |
| nikhil | one that says we need reservation like model and other that doesn't care | 17:02 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : ok..please explain so that all of us are aware of it | 17:02 |
| vilobhmm111 | hi Qijing | 17:02 |
| Qijing | hi | 17:02 |
| vilobhmm111 | welcome | 17:02 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing | 17:02 |
| Qijing | thx | 17:03 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: want the description now? | 17:03 |
| nikhil | I can add comments to the spec as well | 17:03 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : not right now | 17:03 |
| vilobhmm111 | in the spec | 17:03 |
| nikhil | cool | 17:03 |
| vilobhmm111 | you can comment there | 17:03 |
| vilobhmm111 | i will see if we can have the glance cases covered | 17:04 |
| vilobhmm111 | #agenda delimiter design summit talk | 17:04 |
| vilobhmm111 | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#agenda delimiter-design-summit-talk | 17:05 |
| vilobhmm111 | for anyone who missed the summit talk | 17:05 |
| vilobhmm111 | here is the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-quota-library which captures the discussion | 17:05 |
| vilobhmm111 | slides for the library proposal : http://www.slideshare.net/vilobh/delimiter-openstack-cross-project-quota-library-proposal | 17:05 |
| vilobhmm111 | feel free to update your thoughts on the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284454/ | 17:06 |
| vilobhmm111 | so the conclusion is : | 17:06 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. Delimiter will get inputs from the respective projects about (usage_count, resources, generation_id) | 17:07 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2. generation_id will be used to take into consideration the point in time view of the resource usage | 17:08 |
| vilobhmm111 | #3. right now only nova has the concept of generation_id | 17:08 |
| vilobhmm111 | we as a team need to evaluate the benefits of generation id and does it make sense to purse that route as it adds an additonal dependency on any project consuming deleimiter to add the generation id concept | 17:09 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:09 |
| vilobhmm111 | #topic things-to-do | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "things-to-do (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 17:11 | |
| Qijing | what about the reserve | 17:11 |
| Qijing | will still use reserver to ensure the sequence of operations? | 17:11 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing : Delimiter won't have the concept of quotas..but for specific use-cases that glance needs and which nikhil will update on the spec we need to think more on what can be done | 17:11 |
| vilobhmm111 | *concept of reservations* | 17:12 |
| nikhil | yeah.. | 17:12 |
| Qijing | ok | 17:12 |
| nikhil | I am inclining towards defining more of each of those terms more | 17:12 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing : Delimiter won't have the concept of reservations | 17:12 |
| nikhil | I was told that industry standard is to use only two terms for quota experience -- limits and reservations | 17:13 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : sure i saw your feedback will discuss with you before i make an update today..will send you an e-mail or post it on etherpad before we finalize | 17:13 |
| nikhil | sounds good. thanks. | 17:13 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : ok | 17:13 |
| vilobhmm111 | ok back to things-to-do | 17:13 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: I have a couple items to discuss today after you are done with the agenda | 17:14 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : sure | 17:14 |
| vilobhmm111 | just give me 10 more min | 17:14 |
| nikhil | np | 17:14 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. setup launchpad page for the library so that we can keep track of features and bugs | 17:14 |
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| vilobhmm111 | what does everyone think about it ? | 17:15 |
| nikhil | makes sense | 17:15 |
| vilobhmm111 | link to generation-id spec/blueprint which nova is/plan to use : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283253/ | 17:15 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil, _amrith_, Qijing : ^^ | 17:15 |
| Qijing | +1 | 17:15 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2. get an agreement on the spec with the design proposed here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-quota-library | 17:17 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil all upto you | 17:17 |
| nikhil | :) | 17:18 |
| nikhil | I need a bit more time but I think we can start the groundwork until then? | 17:18 |
| nikhil | it will take a bit of effort to bootstrap things and we can know more on where things are heading then | 17:19 |
| Qijing | thx nikhil | 17:19 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: oh, did you mean that you are done with agenda for today? | 17:19 |
| nikhil | Qijing: yw :-) | 17:20 |
| nikhil | if so, can we change the topic to "setting quota limits"? | 17:20 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : yes | 17:21 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : for sure we need to start with the ground work | 17:21 |
| nikhil | ok | 17:22 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111 are we discussing anything more on this topic? | 17:22 |
| nikhil | !ping | 17:22 |
| openstack | pong | 17:22 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : sorry getting network issue | 17:23 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: you still here? | 17:23 |
| nikhil | ah | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm111 | ya lets discuss | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm111 | you have anything specific about getting started | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm111 | i thought wills setup | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. repo | 17:24 |
| nikhil | nothing much | 17:24 |
| nikhil | ok | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2. launchpad page | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm111 | #3. drop e-mail to ML asking interested people to contribute | 17:25 |
| nikhil | hm | 17:25 |
| vilobhmm111 | i think that can be initial set of steps. | 17:25 |
| nikhil | may be a #0. send email to ML giving a summary of the discussion at the summit, approach, spec plan & scope | 17:26 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : yep | 17:26 |
| nikhil | although, spec plan and scope can be merely copy paste of the first para | 17:26 |
| vilobhmm111 | definately | 17:26 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: I think there's a great doc page on setting up projects. dims had given the link to us before the summit. | 17:26 |
| vilobhmm111 | but ya since not everyone could make it to the design summit session it would be nice to give an overview and the next step planned | 17:27 |
| nikhil | we may need to setup stuff in gerrit like groups giving +W access etc | 17:27 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : sure | 17:27 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: yeah, I think a few people missed the summit session as well during the summit but were interested in it | 17:28 |
| nikhil | during the summit == although they were at the summit | 17:28 |
| vilobhmm111 | ha | 17:28 |
| nikhil | :) | 17:28 |
| vilobhmm111 | sounds like a good plan | 17:28 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:29 |
| vilobhmm111 | let me rephrase | 17:29 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. Drop ML about mission, scope, next steps based on what was discussed in the design summit session | 17:29 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2. Setup repo, gerrit stuff, launchpad | 17:29 |
| vilobhmm111 | #3. Spec needs update move quickly with spec - vilobhmm | 17:30 |
| Qijing | what is the name of the repo? | 17:31 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing : we have to setup new | 17:31 |
| vilobhmm111 | it will be mostly "delimiter" | 17:31 |
| nikhil | !ping | 17:32 |
| openstack | pong | 17:32 |
| Qijing | it will be under github.com/ or github.com/openstack | 17:32 |
| nikhil | github.com/openstack | 17:32 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing : will need to check what is the prescribed policy | 17:32 |
| vilobhmm111 | but imho it should be github.com/openstack | 17:32 |
| nikhil | actually, the official page is git.openstack.org/openstack | 17:33 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : ok | 17:33 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil, Qijing : does the above mentioned plan seem ok to you ? | 17:34 |
| nikhil | !ping | 17:34 |
| openstack | pong | 17:34 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: yeah, makes sense | 17:34 |
| Qijing | very good to me | 17:34 |
| vilobhmm111 | ok | 17:34 |
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| nikhil | I have a couple of technical questions for today | 17:34 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : sure please go ahead | 17:35 |
| nikhil | that may be worth addressing in the spec | 17:35 |
| vilobhmm111 | sure | 17:35 |
| nikhil | #topic setting quota limits | 17:35 |
| nikhil | !ping | 17:35 |
| openstack | pong | 17:35 |
| * nikhil is getting newtwork lag | 17:35 | |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: you may need to switch the topic (only chairs are allowed afaik) | 17:36 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : what specifically about setting quota limits ? | 17:36 |
| nikhil | but the questions are: | 17:36 |
| vilobhmm111 | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#topic setting quota limits | 17:36 |
| vilobhmm111 | #topic setting-quota-limits | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "setting-quota-limits (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 17:36 | |
| nikhil | 1. who can set the quota limits? | 17:36 |
| nikhil | 2. where are the quota limits set? | 17:36 |
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| vilobhmm111 | lets do one at a time | 17:37 |
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| vilobhmm111 | #1. who can set the quota limits? | 17:37 |
| vilobhmm111 | depends on what project model we are using | 17:37 |
| Qijing | cloud-admin? | 17:37 |
| nikhil | oh I've 4 😃 | 17:37 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : oops thats a lot :P | 17:37 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: right | 17:37 |
| vilobhmm111 | please go ahead | 17:37 |
| vilobhmm111 | sorry to interrupt | 17:38 |
| nikhil | ok, let me jot them down | 17:38 |
| vilobhmm111 | ok | 17:38 |
| nikhil | then we can go over them one by one | 17:38 |
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| vilobhmm111 | sure | 17:38 |
| nikhil | 3. in case of hierarchical namespaces how do individual services figure out the changes in the tree and consider quota limits accordingly? | 17:39 |
| nikhil | 4. do we need to have upgrade story for going from non-nested to nested quota limits? (see 4 types of quota limits described in the spec and the comment) | 17:39 |
| * nikhil done | 17:39 | |
| nikhil | !ping | 17:39 |
| openstack | pong | 17:39 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil | 17:40 |
| vilobhmm111 | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#1. who can set the quota limits? | 17:40 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. who can set the quota limits | 17:40 |
| vilobhmm111 | depends on what project model we are using | 17:40 |
| vilobhmm111 | if we are using flat ; only admin can update for all the projects …this admin will be the cloud-admin | 17:40 |
| vilobhmm111 | if we are using hierarchical ; admin or parent of the subtree can update the project quotas | 17:41 |
| nikhil | cloud admin or service admin? | 17:41 |
| vilobhmm111 | service-admin | 17:41 |
| nikhil | ok | 17:41 |
| vilobhmm111 | the cloud -admin also has the priviledge to do so if needed | 17:41 |
| vilobhmm111 | since cloud-admin is kinda superuser | 17:42 |
| nikhil | sure, but not recommended | 17:42 |
| nikhil | ? | 17:42 |
| vilobhmm111 | not recommended yes | 17:42 |
| nikhil | cool | 17:42 |
| vilobhmm111 | cloud-admin interfaces or interacts with service-admin | 17:42 |
| vilobhmm111 | to update/delegate quota | 17:42 |
| Qijing | service admin is just generic user? | 17:42 |
| vilobhmm111 | and then its upto the service-admin to manage respective projects in the hierarchy | 17:43 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing : service admin is a user with more permissions than normal user..as the name suggest he/she is an admin | 17:43 |
| Qijing | ok | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : if this answer is clear we can move to next one | 17:44 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: yes, thanks. clear for me | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : cool | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2. where are the quota limits set? | 17:44 |
| Qijing | service admin can update the limits of its parent project? | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm111 | right now there is a table in every project which maintains details about project/resouce limits | 17:45 |
| vilobhmm111 | usually its called quotas | 17:45 |
| vilobhmm111 | "quotas" | 17:45 |
| vilobhmm111 | by default the values are picked up from .conf files | 17:45 |
| vilobhmm111 | #3. in case of hierarchical namespaces how do individual services figure out the changes in the tree and consider quota limits accordingly? | 17:46 |
| nikhil | ok | 17:46 |
| nikhil | !ping | 17:47 |
| openstack | pong | 17:47 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : just to clarify did you mean that if resource get over consumed how will the parent know about it ? | 17:48 |
| nikhil | vilobhmm111: correct and if there is some weirdness between what admin set, value picked from conf file and type of quota supported | 17:49 |
| nikhil | basically ensuring that when a quota limit is set, it is set correctly | 17:49 |
| vilobhmm111 | code will rely on one source of truth the value set in db | 17:50 |
| Qijing | need to check the correctness when read from conf file | 17:50 |
| nikhil | ok | 17:50 |
| nikhil | so when a admin tried to set_quota, delimiter will figure it out for them if they are setting correctly? | 17:50 |
| nikhil | tries* | 17:51 |
| Qijing | yes | 17:51 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : there can be 3 cases | 17:52 |
| nikhil | ok? | 17:52 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. project->delimiter->set_quotas->(resource available)->"yes" grant it" | 17:52 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2.project->delimiter->set_quotas->(resource available)->"no" not enough resource available exception" | 17:53 |
| vilobhmm111 | with this exception service-admin can talk to cloud-admin to increase quota | 17:54 |
| vilobhmm111 | so short answer | 17:54 |
| nikhil | ok, I am assuming they will have to physically talk to :) | 17:54 |
| vilobhmm111 | not necessarily | 17:55 |
| vilobhmm111 | we can have a logic to | 17:55 |
| vilobhmm111 | #1. figure out parent of service-admin which is the cloud-admin | 17:55 |
| vilobhmm111 | #2. send an rpc or something and get the quota extended | 17:55 |
| vilobhmm111 | but for this the cloud-admin needs to be aware of the inventory details | 17:56 |
| vilobhmm111 | which is kind of tricky | 17:56 |
| nikhil | :) | 17:56 |
| vilobhmm111 | so for simplicity | 17:56 |
| vilobhmm111 | lets for now raise an exception | 17:56 |
| nikhil | yes | 17:56 |
| nikhil | that works | 17:56 |
| vilobhmm111 | and let them talk physically :) | 17:56 |
| nikhil | perfect | 17:56 |
| vilobhmm111 | we can enhance it further if needed | 17:56 |
| Qijing | sounds good | 17:56 |
| nikhil | what happens if the hierarchy of the projects | 17:56 |
| nikhil | doesn't allow the default conf value to be set | 17:57 |
| nikhil | we set min(conf, available_resource_limit)? | 17:57 |
| vilobhmm111 | yup | 17:57 |
| nikhil | k, so that's done by delimiter | 17:57 |
| vilobhmm111 | yes | 17:57 |
| nikhil | so, we keep talking to keystone during this process | 17:57 |
| vilobhmm111 | rigght now keystone is not ok to store info there | 17:58 |
| vilobhmm111 | so will query respective projects for the default values | 17:58 |
| vilobhmm111 | keystone -> project hierarchy | 17:58 |
| nikhil | how do individual projects know hierarchy? | 17:58 |
| vilobhmm111 | from keystone | 17:58 |
| Qijing | there is parent_id in keystone, right? | 17:58 |
| nikhil | so, for hierarchy talk to keystone and then compute stuff from projects? | 17:58 |
| vilobhmm111 | i will answer #4 later i have to join a meeting now @ work | 17:59 |
| nikhil | k np. | 17:59 |
| nikhil | thanks for your answers | 17:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : np | 17:59 |
| nikhil | we can catch up on #4 next week too | 17:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | sure | 17:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | Qijing, nikhil : thanks for joining | 17:59 |
| nikhil | will update agenda | 17:59 |
| nikhil | thanks! | 17:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | lets keep the conversation up and live | 17:59 |
| Qijing | thx! | 17:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | nikhil : sure | 17:59 |
| vilobhmm111 | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 17:59:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quotas_wg/2016/quotas_wg.2016-05-03-16.59.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quotas_wg/2016/quotas_wg.2016-05-03-16.59.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quotas_wg/2016/quotas_wg.2016-05-03-16.59.log.html | 17:59 |
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