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| nikhil | Courtesy quotas-wg meeting reminder: nikhil, vilobhmm, DuncanT, mc_nair, ninag <add your nick before> | 21:03 |
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| nikhil | anyone around? | 21:03 |
| ninag | hi | 21:03 |
| nikhil | hey | 21:04 |
| nikhil | #startmeeting quotas-wg | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 21:04:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quotas_wg' | 21:04 |
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| nikhil | #topic roll call | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:04 | |
| ninag | o/ | 21:04 |
| mc_nair | hello | 21:04 |
| nikhil | Vilobh isn't here today as he's unwell. | 21:04 |
| nikhil | that's a quorum | 21:05 |
| nikhil | :) | 21:05 |
| nikhil | Let's get started and see if people show up later. | 21:05 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:05 | |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/quotas-wg-meeting-agenda | 21:05 |
| nikhil | So, we've a few items to discuss today | 21:05 |
| nikhil | but since Vilobh isn't here I'm not sure if we can go over all of them | 21:06 |
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| nikhil | Although, let's discuss a bit on the direction | 21:06 |
| nikhil | #topic Follow up on the thread input | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on the thread input (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:06 | |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/thread.html#89453 | 21:06 |
| nikhil | If you're aware already, I sent one email out last week to get more feedback on "where" to impl quotas in Openstack | 21:07 |
| nikhil | There has been good amount of feedback. | 21:07 |
| nikhil | Please follow links to some of the prior discussions too (from previous summits, meetups, etc.) | 21:07 |
| nikhil | I looked at Vilobh's updated spec patch and it contains fair amount of stuff related to this. | 21:08 |
| nikhil | But we need to extract more info out from Blazar etc efforts | 21:08 |
| nikhil | be more explicit on how & what different this will be | 21:08 |
| nikhil | Any general comments here? | 21:09 |
| nikhil | I was also looking for some more feedback from the WG before I start replying to individual emails in that thread | 21:09 |
| nikhil | (I've mostly waited as I myself wasn't well last week) | 21:10 |
| nikhil | but it's good to get some more consensus around here | 21:10 |
| nikhil | anything? | 21:10 |
| ninag | I agree there were some good comments in the email threads... | 21:10 |
| mc_nair | I don't have anything - will finish catching up the thread | 21:10 |
| mc_nair | lot of comments :) | 21:10 |
| nikhil | yeah | 21:11 |
| nikhil | ok, I have some stuff to add but will go over that in the following topics | 21:11 |
| nikhil | moving on | 21:11 |
| nikhil | #topic Spec updates | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec updates (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:12 | |
| nikhil | #action all: review latest PS | 21:12 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284454/ | 21:12 |
| nikhil | We're mostly waiting on Vilobh for more input on where he's taking the spec. | 21:12 |
| nikhil | But my feeling is that (basedon ML input) | 21:13 |
| nikhil | we need to get the proposed solution out of the spec | 21:13 |
| nikhil | preferably in a wiki or in the prj repo (once that's decided) | 21:13 |
| ninag | So this spec focusses on use cases and interfaces/APIs? | 21:14 |
| nikhil | cross project specs are considered as guidelines and we should have a better picture of the same in tomorrow's CPL meeting | 21:14 |
| nikhil | ninag: right, we need to be clear on what to put in the spec. I will have that info in tomorrow's meeting. | 21:15 |
| nikhil | but for this spec, the guidelines can be something like | 21:15 |
| nikhil | for example: a common library with DB model builtin | 21:15 |
| nikhil | pull this in your repo and add more resource related info to model, add wrapper to the quota drivers etc. | 21:16 |
| nikhil | Another thing that Shamail mentioned to me was the PWG wants to bring in the user stories in a more cross prj spec-friendly manner | 21:17 |
| nikhil | so, that will go in this spec (more clarity tomorrow) | 21:17 |
| nikhil | But that has been my idea too, instead of going into implementation details we need to build the right concepts around what Quotas really mean for Openstack | 21:18 |
| ninag | Sounds good | 21:18 |
| nikhil | This sort of thing ties in with where+how (ie direction) and the trade-offs for the approaches. | 21:18 |
| nikhil | more of a eagle eye view first | 21:18 |
| nikhil | but let's see how things unfold by next week | 21:19 |
| nikhil | Also, we need to bring this up in a CPL meeting. That may not happen until next week. | 21:19 |
| nikhil | Meaning we need to push back on the video sync too. | 21:20 |
| nikhil | Until then let's keep our feedback on the spec. | 21:20 |
| nikhil | (and of course on the ML as well) | 21:20 |
| nikhil | moving on | 21:20 |
| nikhil | #topic Previous attempts (discussions, etherpads, projects, etc.) | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous attempts (discussions, etherpads, projects, etc.) (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:20 | |
| nikhil | Again, we just need to update the spec on this. These things for sure go in a CP spec. | 21:21 |
| nikhil | let's have action item for all to review the ML links and do some searching | 21:21 |
| nikhil | #action all: review ML discussion and suggest links to go in the spec | 21:22 |
| nikhil | We'd discuss this again, next week. | 21:22 |
| nikhil | moving on | 21:22 |
| nikhil | #topic Documenting implementations in other projects explicitly (see update on the spec, do we need more?) | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documenting implementations in other projects explicitly (see update on the spec, do we need more?) (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:22 | |
| nikhil | #info This will be confirmed in the CPL meeting of Tues March 22nd, 2016 (if not cancelled) | 21:23 |
| nikhil | moving on | 21:23 |
| nikhil | #topic Writing tradeoffs in the alternatives? Describing direction in the process, steps towards larger goal of inter-project quota awareness? | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Writing tradeoffs in the alternatives? Describing direction in the process, steps towards larger goal of inter-project quota awareness? (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:23 | |
| nikhil | I wanted to discuss something here | 21:24 |
| nikhil | My perspective is that we need to get started on something more tangible for one cycle (Newton) | 21:24 |
| nikhil | And build the quotas effort on that, vs. trying a complete circus in one attempt and failing miserably. | 21:25 |
| mc_nair | +1 | 21:25 |
| ninag | +1 | 21:26 |
| nikhil | My proposal is that we build the right DNA for quotas, implement it in 1-3 projects in Newton, discuss more with community in Ocata (Barcelona) | 21:26 |
| nikhil | Based on the lessons learnt and as more information becomes available, evolve this effort. | 21:27 |
| ninag | +1 again | 21:27 |
| mc_nair | sounds like a good plan | 21:27 |
| nikhil | So, please expect a response for orchestration-like quotas proposal (on ML) to be something around: | 21:27 |
| nikhil | 1. Let's get the DNA for quotas right. Build it from single cell to multicellular organism. | 21:28 |
| nikhil | 2. Focus on Newton on the right foundation for flat, nested and nested with overcommit quotas to ensure concurrency, coherency etc. | 21:29 |
| nikhil | 3. Keep the long term partners involved in the discussion to ensure that we are not going off track (possibly once a month in this meeting) | 21:29 |
| nikhil | 4. Collaborate with DefCore and different interested WGs to keep this compliant with Openstack standards. | 21:30 |
| nikhil | I missed on the tradeoff about the UX aspect of this but that's somewhat covered in the WG collaboration aspect. | 21:31 |
| nikhil | It's one thing to be really careful about, | 21:31 |
| nikhil | my email did not mention it and a lot of folks want it, | 21:31 |
| nikhil | but taking the library approach will make it difficult for UX folks to begin with, | 21:31 |
| nikhil | hopefully we can incrementally improve that experience. | 21:31 |
| nikhil | that's it from me on this topic | 21:32 |
| nikhil | any comments, suggestions, concerns? | 21:32 |
| mc_nair | sounds good to me. The big thing seems to be that we don't have a single really good implementation of quotas yet | 21:32 |
| mc_nair | so I like the idea of that being a first step and push the goodness from there | 21:33 |
| nikhil | cool | 21:33 |
| nikhil | let's see if there's anything/anyone for open discussion | 21:34 |
| nikhil | #topic Open Discussion | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: quotas-wg)" | 21:34 | |
| ninag | is there a cross-project session on quotas at the summit? | 21:34 |
| nikhil | I was looking for the proposal etherpad/google sheet but couldn't find it yet | 21:34 |
| ninag | ok | 21:35 |
| ninag | you can bring it up at the meeting tomorrow..? | 21:35 |
| nikhil | sure | 21:35 |
| nikhil | basically, this page should have been up | 21:35 |
| nikhil | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton | 21:36 |
| nikhil | that's not related to CP | 21:36 |
| nikhil | but in general | 21:36 |
| nikhil | #action nikhil to get the CP summit session proposal pad link | 21:36 |
| nikhil | anything else? | 21:36 |
| nikhil | Thanks ninag and mc_nair for joining today! | 21:38 |
| nikhil | Let's catch up again next week. | 21:38 |
| ninag | thanks, bye | 21:38 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 21:38:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quotas_wg/2016/quotas_wg.2016-03-21-21.04.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quotas_wg/2016/quotas_wg.2016-03-21-21.04.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quotas_wg/2016/quotas_wg.2016-03-21-21.04.log.html | 21:38 |
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