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| ddieterly | hey everybody | 14:01 |
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| _slashme_ | Hi ddieterly | 14:01 |
| Marcellin | Hello | 14:01 |
| iceyao | hi | 14:01 |
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| mtanino | hi | 14:02 |
| liudan | hi | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | memo said that he will be running the meeting today | 14:02 |
| domhnallw | Hi :) | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | hi | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 14:03:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:03 |
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| m3m0 | as always, the topics for the meeting are available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | #topic multiple storages | 14:06 |
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| m3m0 | ddieterly: any input on this? | 14:06 |
| ddieterly | aka 'what's up with that?' | 14:06 |
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| ddieterly | from what i can tell multiple storages is completely broken | 14:07 |
| EinstCrazy___ | hello | 14:07 |
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| ddieterly | did not know if it was supposed to be working | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | m3m0 just told me that it is supposed to be working | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | couple of problems | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | 1) the multipleStorage class does not implement methods from its parent class | 14:07 |
| _slashme_ | It is supposed to be working but only from the agent | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | 2) there is no config parameters defined for multiple storage in the oslo config | 14:08 |
| yangyapeng | ping liudan | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | if not, we need to 1: fix it, 2: create test for it, 3: integrate it with tempest testing | 14:08 |
| liudan | 在 | 14:08 |
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| ddieterly | so, i'll create a bug for it | 14:08 |
| ddieterly | then someone can work on it | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | i guess that is all on that unless someone else has some more info on it | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | #action ddieterly will create bug for multiple storages | 14:10 |
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| ddieterly | i'm fine with moving to next topic | 14:11 |
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| m3m0 | ok | 14:11 |
| EinstCrazy___ | ceilometer is able to config multi rabbit by lines，we may look for help | 14:11 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Pending reviews | 14:12 |
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| m3m0 | anyone has a critical review? | 14:12 |
| EinstCrazy___ | ping yangyapeng | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | yes | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | irc on my phone | 14:13 |
| EinstCrazy___ | oh, i see | 14:14 |
| yangyapeng | ping m3m0 | 14:14 |
| m3m0 | sure, you can send the link after the meeting if you like, or tell me the name of the commit | 14:14 |
| yangyapeng | thanks | 14:15 |
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| m3m0 | anyone else? | 14:15 |
| iceyao | m3m0: help me to review | 14:16 |
| iceyao | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330381/ | 14:16 |
| iceyao | thanks! :) | 14:16 |
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| m3m0 | so basically, | 14:18 |
| m3m0 | you want to add --incremental backup for cinder? or is it more than that? | 14:18 |
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| m3m0 | iceyao: ^^ | 14:18 |
| EinstCrazy___ | (＾▽＾) iceyao and liudan are our team member, they will focus on freezer too | 14:19 |
| m3m0 | that's really great | 14:20 |
| yangyapeng | backup cinder fixed the backup id | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | thanks a lot guys | 14:20 |
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| yangyapeng | haha | 14:20 |
| daemontool | o/ | 14:20 |
| ddieterly | EinstCrazy___ are those guys in china? | 14:20 |
| iceyao | m3m0: I want to add restore cinder volume , can define special backup id | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | what about the comments about the backup_volume ? | 14:20 |
| yangyapeng | yes | 14:21 |
| ddieterly | nice | 14:21 |
| EinstCrazy___ | yeah,we all at China | 14:22 |
| ddieterly | EinstCrazy___ very cool | 14:22 |
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| m3m0 | iceyao: are you fixing the comments suggestion in your commit/ | 14:25 |
| m3m0 | ? | 14:25 |
| iceyao | m3m0: yeah | 14:25 |
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| m3m0 | let me know then :) | 14:26 |
| m3m0 | more commits? | 14:26 |
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| iceyao | what? | 14:27 |
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| m3m0 | just tell me when you fix those comments | 14:28 |
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| m3m0 | ok, next topic | 14:30 |
| m3m0 | #topic Documentation | 14:30 |
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| m3m0 | I'll fix the jenkins -1 and we need to merge this,https://review.openstack.org/312694 | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | after this the api docs | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | it need to has, a description of all the endpoints and the expected payloads and responses | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | to/from the api | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | any other input for this/ | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | ? | 14:31 |
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| szaher | we need to finish all patches in review | 14:33 |
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| m3m0 | +1 on that | 14:34 |
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| _slashme_ | +1 szaher | 14:35 |
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| EinstCrazy____ | +1 | 14:36 |
| szaher | what about review feast ? | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | ok, let's do this offline | 14:37 |
| m3m0 | #topic testing | 14:37 |
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| m3m0 | is there any other major test that we need to cover? | 14:38 |
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| _slashme_ | You mean that needs to be added to the tempest testing ? | 14:39 |
| m3m0 | yep | 14:39 |
| _slashme_ | I'd like to see ssh backend being tested | 14:39 |
| EinstCrazy____ | I will add some unit test of openstack backup nearly | 14:40 |
| _slashme_ | And some more complex incremental tests | 14:40 |
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| m3m0 | ok, we need to define the scope of those tests then | 14:43 |
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| jonaspf | sorry I'm a bit late and I might have missed something. Here is the text for a blueprint regarding testing: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_tempest | 14:45 |
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| jonaspf | Feel free to add to it | 14:46 |
| m3m0 | is that the correct link? | 14:46 |
| m3m0 | yep, sorry misread | 14:46 |
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| m3m0 | ok guys, 7 more min | 14:54 |
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| ddieterly | jonaspf +1 | 14:55 |
| zhangjn | +1 | 14:55 |
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| ddieterly | jonaspf could you please add multiple storage testing to your plan? | 14:56 |
| zhangjn | what's the first testing in tempest? | 14:56 |
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| jonaspf | ddieterly, will do | 14:56 |
| ddieterly | thanks | 14:56 |
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| m3m0 | should we finish the meeting? | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | ¬_¬ | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | bswartz: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:01 |
| zhongjun_ | ^_^ | 15:01 |
| ganso | #topic | 15:01 |
| _slashme_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 15:01:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-16-14.03.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-16-14.03.txt | 15:01 |
| bswartz | m3m0: ty | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-16-14.03.log.html | 15:01 |
| m3m0 | sorry guys | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | real hello o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 15:02:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| dustins | m3m0: no worries! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| cknight1 | Hi | 15:02 |
| markstur | hello | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:02 |
| ganso | hello o/ | 15:02 |
| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:02 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:02 |
| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | hopefully you all saw the ML post about the midcycle etherpad | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-manila-midcycle | 15:03 |
| bswartz | suggest topics there | 15:03 |
| bswartz | also, regarding manila-stable-maint: we will NOT be adding the whole core reviewer team to that group | 15:04 |
| bswartz | reviewers interested in joining the stable-maint team need to nominate themselves and we'll add individuals to the team | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I know of several of who you want to be on that team, if anyone else does please let me know | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | the main requirement to be on that team is that you have to understand the stable-maint rules and enforce them ruthlessly | 15:05 |
| bswartz | :-) | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | enforce them ruthlessly, sounds interesting | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic A share support multiple protocols | 15:06 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:06 |
| zhongjun_ | link: https://review.openstack.org/329392 | 15:06 |
| zhongjun_ | There are two methods to implement the feature about Multiple protocols share. | 15:07 |
| zhongjun_ | Please see which one is suitable for manila, or which one is definite not suitable for manila. Thanks | 15:07 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: will you summarize here for those who haven't read the spec? | 15:08 |
| zhongjun_ | User case: A customer may want to use one share in his linux system, and also use the same share in his windows system or something else. The customer | 15:08 |
| zhongjun_ | can operate the same share data from different operating systems. | 15:08 |
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| zhongjun_ | Method1: we could let a share have multiple protocols. | 15:09 |
| zhongjun_ | Method2: we could let multiple shares connected to one. | 15:09 |
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| ganso | ^ "to one instance" | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | I dislike method 2 because it would in strange API semantics | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | what if I resize a share -- the other share magically resizes too? | 15:10 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: of cource | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | it would result* in strange API semantics | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | as said in review for spec, variant 2 is not even discussable, IMHO | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | multiple shares 1 instance, 1 share multiple instances.. this could get real confusing | 15:10 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:10 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: +1 Method 2 breaks the semantics for share instances completely | 15:10 |
| cknight1 | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | method 1 is worth discussing though | 15:11 |
| tbarron | +2 | 15:11 |
| tbarron | +1 i meant :) | 15:11 |
| zhongjun_ | but method 2 will not change the allow/deny access API | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so this has come up a number of times before | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | Originally it was dual CIFS+NFS access, which NetApp has always supported (but not in Manila) and which the generic driver could easily support if we decided to add it | 15:12 |
| zhongjun_ | In method 1, if I resize a share is no problem. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | Then the Ceph guys proposed CephFS+NFS access | 15:12 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: which specific use case did you have in mind? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | as vponomaryov pointed out, the spec lacks a problem statement | 15:13 |
| tbarron | yeah, having an NFS or CIFs gateway in front of a share that is natively other is i think a valid use case | 15:13 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: CIFS+NFS access | 15:14 |
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| zhongjun_ | bswartz: yes, I will add the problem statement later. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so one thing we would need to decide, if we allow this, is whether to only allow specific combinations of protocols, or to allow arbitrary combinations of protocols | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | if CIFS+NFS and CephFS+NFS are the only 2 use cases, then we could special case those 2 and reduce the complexity of solving this I think | 15:15 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: any-native + NFS is possible | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: are you assuming this is not something worth implementing in a generic way? | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I'm just thinking ahead to the specific technical problems this will introduce | 15:17 |
| bswartz | and trying to limit the scope of what we have to deal with | 15:17 |
| tbarron | eventually it would need to be solved generally, but maybe short term could be done more narrowly scoped | 15:17 |
| tbarron | the narrowly scoped solutions should be removable in favor of more general solution though if we go that way | 15:17 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: the original idea is to allow arbitrary combinations of protocols | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | so where this gets ugly is with access allow, and with file metadata | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | access allow is currently designed use different things for different protocols | 15:19 |
| bswartz | when we have dual protocol we might need to specify for which protocol the access is being modified | 15:19 |
| tbarron | yeah | 15:19 |
| ganso | the backend would also need to be aware of adding an IP rule may need to add for more than one export in the backend, usually the exports store the access rules | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is proposed in spec | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | yes -- I think that will work | 15:20 |
| bswartz | and the issue of file metadata -- that's the reason we decided not to do this originally | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I think it's inevitable that a NetApp CIFS+NFS share will exhibit different behavior from a Generic CIFS+NFS share when it comes to metadata handling | 15:21 |
| tbarron | endin general users don't expect metadata translation on a share | 15:21 |
| bswartz | or any other backend for that matter | 15:22 |
| tbarron | in general | 15:22 |
| bswartz | tbarron: don't they? | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | between CIFS and NFS for instance | 15:22 |
| tbarron | not full | 15:22 |
| bswartz | If I request a CIFS+NFS share, presumably it's because I want to actually use it for both CIFS and NFS, and in that case I need my mode bits and ACLs to be sane across protocols | 15:22 |
| bswartz | It's no good if I create a file on my CIFS share owned by bswartz, and then I access it through NFS and it's owned by "nobody" | 15:23 |
| tbarron | some stuff has to map, but not everything will. "sane" doesn't mean it all maps. | 15:23 |
| tbarron | backend responsibility | 15:24 |
| ganso | maybe we should document that there will be restrictions | 15:24 |
| ganso | it relies a lot on security service configuration | 15:24 |
| bswartz | the point is that users will care about the behavior to a certain degree, and if we can't guarantee that behavior then it's a useless feature | 15:24 |
| zhongjun_ | ganso: yes the security service need to be changed in method1 | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | it will boil down to "you get what you get" and nobody will be able to write applications without knowing what backend is behind manila (which defeats the purpose of manila) | 15:25 |
| bswartz | if we can find a way to guarantee some minimum standard then I'm more interested | 15:26 |
| bswartz | but I know from experience that this is wickedly complicated | 15:27 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:27 |
| tbarron | is there a common minimum mapping for NFS and CIFS? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | NFSv3 and NFSv4 don't even play particularly well together | 15:27 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: It's gotta just work and be consistent | 15:27 |
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| tbarron | I think we could document what to expect for NFS + ceph | 15:27 |
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| tbarron | so as you point out we already have the issue within "NFS" | 15:28 |
| bswartz | tbarron: CephFS has the advantage of only having a single implementation, so whatever it does is automatically standard | 15:28 |
| bswartz | as long as cephfs doesn't change what it does between versions I suppose | 15:29 |
| tbarron | but there could conceivably be different NFS gateway implementations, so I agree that there should be some documentation of what to expect | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | in the case of CIFS+NFS, you need some external concept of users and mappings of those users between protocols | 15:29 |
| tbarron | or NFSv3 and NFSv4 really | 15:30 |
| zhongjun_ | +1 I will add it. | 15:30 |
| * tbarron is getting a headache | 15:30 | |
| bswartz | "bswartz" has a UID for NFSv3, a name for NFSv4, and a SID for CIFS | 15:30 |
| tbarron | so we have an implicit external representation of bswartz and the guy who has those three things | 15:31 |
| bswartz | those have to be defined somewhere -- currently we rely on the security service for those definitions | 15:31 |
| tbarron | as the guy | 15:31 |
| tbarron | who may also live in NIS, LDAP, or a spreadsheet somewhere | 15:32 |
| bswartz | however nowhere do we have the information that bswartz UID 12699 is the same as bswartz@netapp.com is the same as SID S-1-5-1234090579835-234582349857892345-234582739485 | 15:32 |
| tbarron | or just in the same cube, using those three things | 15:32 |
| bswartz | so a NetApp controller stores the above information in a mapping table on the device itself | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | with the generic driver, we would have to configure Samba very carefully to do the right thing | 15:34 |
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| markstur | user mapping would be up to the admin | 15:35 |
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| markstur | vendor support or lack-of would be a capability or a requirement | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: I already imagine all the sufferings of admins | 15:35 |
| markstur | yep | 15:36 |
| ganso | if this needs admin intervention I believe this can no longer make sense for DHSS=True mode | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | markstur: that's not possible with security services | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso: +999 | 15:36 |
| markstur | in dhss=true the security service is in play, but still mapping is needed somewhere | 15:36 |
| markstur | to allow cross-protocol | 15:37 |
| bswartz | the whole point of security services is that, as a tenant, I can run my own AD controller and my own Kerberos/LDAP domains | 15:37 |
| markstur | unless there is a cross-protocol w/ mangled acls as a feature | 15:37 |
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| vponomaryov | built generic driver with two protocols? Congratulations! You just achieved "God-like" rank. | 15:37 |
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| dustins | hahaha | 15:38 |
| markstur | So I'd think the cross-protocol use case we want would be only the one where we have a sane user mapping | 15:38 |
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| markstur | but I think that is dhss=false and too much responsibility on the admin to do stuff outside of manila | 15:39 |
| bswartz | The only way this can make sense for DHSS=true drivers with security services is to provide a mechanism for tenants to define their own user mappings... | 15:39 |
| markstur | ok | 15:39 |
| bswartz | and I'm nervous about undertaking that effort | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | it requires very experienced users | 15:39 |
| markstur | but ultimately it is the subtle differences from one vendor to another that would be the hard part | 15:39 |
| markstur | the not-knowing-what-you'll-get problem | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | markstur: precisely | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'm sure we could implement this and get it to "mostly" work | 15:41 |
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| markstur | Yep. For single-vendor environment probably worth a try, but the multi-vendor inconsistency is a bad problem unless we have something reasonable like 2 well-known behaviors we can deal with | 15:42 |
| bswartz | but there would be weird behaviors that would creep in and any user wanting to consume dual protocol would be left wondering how compatible their application really was with other backends (other than what they tested on) | 15:42 |
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| ganso | bswartz: either way, users should not need to worry about backends | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | yeah that's part of our mission as an openstack project | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | everything you need to know you can get through the manila API | 15:43 |
| bswartz | there's no secret out of band information needed to consume the manila API | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | anyways, we have another topic on the agenda, so I want to table this | 15:44 |
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| markstur | is there a # commad for tabled? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | It's still a very interesting use case with obvious value if we can only figure out how to provide it in a common way | 15:45 |
| bswartz | markstur: midcycle etherpad! | 15:45 |
| bswartz | we need to discuss this more and I hope people can come up with ideas to define a minimum standard that can be depended on | 15:45 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: ok | 15:45 |
| bswartz | and the user mapping problem with DHSS=true is something we need to sort out too | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | so let's keep this discussion going | 15:46 |
| tbarron | how is that uid 12699 is the same as bswartz@netapp.com not secret out of band info today? | 15:46 |
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| tbarron | agree that we can table, and agree that it's a real issue | 15:46 |
| bswartz | tbarron: today you can't use both in the same context, so it doesnt' matter | 15:47 |
| bswartz | oh wait | 15:47 |
| bswartz | no you're talking about NFSv3+NFSv4 | 15:47 |
| tbarron | yeah | 15:47 |
| bswartz | yeah that's a hairy mess that I'm not happy with | 15:47 |
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| tbarron | so i agree that we should think more before going further down that road | 15:48 |
| bswartz | tbarron: in theory if you use NIS you can setup a security service where the NIS server provides that mapping | 15:49 |
| tbarron | right | 15:49 |
| bswartz | we need to move on however | 15:49 |
| bswartz | #topic Drivers with minimum size for shares | 15:49 |
| tpsilva | thanks bswartz | 15:49 |
| bswartz | tpsilva: you're up | 15:49 |
| bswartz | openstack: ping | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | oh the bot is on the fritz | 15:50 |
| tpsilva | so I'm implementing a driver for one of our backends and it has a minimum share size limitation | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | how big is the minimum? | 15:50 |
| tpsilva | I know that one of the EMC drivers for cinder had an issue like this, but they solved it by rounding it in the driver | 15:51 |
| ganso | bswartz: 128 gb | 15:51 |
| tpsilva | bswartz: 128GB | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | and how small is the maximum? )) | 15:51 |
| xyang1 | The EMC one has limit on multiple of 8gb | 15:51 |
| tpsilva | vponomaryov: some PBs... don't remember it | 15:51 |
| bswartz | yeah I was present for the cinder discussions and EXTREMELY unhappy with the outcome | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | so what is the granularity of you exceed the minimum? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | can the backend support 129GB? | 15:52 |
| jseiler__ | vponomaryov, +1 | 15:52 |
| tpsilva | yes | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:52 |
| tpsilva | i mean, you cannot create shares with less than 128GBs | 15:52 |
| tpsilva | but anything bigger than that is ok | 15:52 |
| bswartz | is it possible to create a 128GB share, but to limit usage of the share to some smaller amount using quotas? | 15:52 |
| tpsilva | no, unfortunately | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | tpsilva: and your backend does not support thin provisioning? | 15:53 |
| tbarron | note that if you "solve" this in the driver your quotas will still be off | 15:53 |
| bswartz | it seems like this backend is broken! | 15:53 |
| tpsilva | vponomaryov: it does, but if you create a default minimum with 128GB, a share with 1GB will have a real size of 128GBs | 15:53 |
| tbarron | even if you return a model update that corrects the usage in the database | 15:53 |
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| dustins | Hmm, creates an interesting problem for Tempest tests as well, but that could be fixed... | 15:53 |
| ganso | tbarron: we do not allow such model update | 15:54 |
| dustins | Just have an option for minimum share size | 15:54 |
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| tpsilva | what I would ideally want is some kind of filter in the scheduler | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | in tempest you can set size | 15:54 |
| bswartz | no -- I am opposed to playing games with the share size in manila | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | tpsilva: you map share to volume directly? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | ganso: nor IMO should we, but I lost the cinder argument | 15:54 |
| tbarron | ganso: either way your quotas are wrong | 15:54 |
| bswartz | it seems less bad to silently give the user more space than they asked for | 15:54 |
| tpsilva | vponomaryov: share to filesystem in this particular backend | 15:55 |
| xyang1 | ganso: you have the same issue in cinder? | 15:55 |
| tpsilva | bswartz: that's one way to solve it | 15:55 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes, the quotas need to be correct, if a 128gb share in this backend is created, the user will be able to reach 128gb, and this needs to reflect on his manila quotas | 15:55 |
| cknight1 | bswartz, tpsilva: What do you propose? A ShareSizeFilter? | 15:55 |
| ganso | xyang1: yes, we have the same problem for cinder | 15:55 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight1: share size filter is really good solution for it | 15:56 |
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| tpsilva | cknight1: Ideally, yes... but apparently, bswartz is against it | 15:56 |
| bswartz | ganso: the only way I can see that happening is if we add a "minimum share size" option to manila itself so the admin can force users to ask for shares of no less than 128 GB | 15:56 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: just filter it out on scheduler step as cknight1 proposed | 15:56 |
| dustins | And that would also carry over into the suggestion for Tempest as well | 15:56 |
| ganso | bswartz: that looks confusing for users | 15:57 |
| bswartz | if it's an error to ask for a 127GB share, then we should surface that error all the way back to the user | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I strongly dislike giving users something other than what they ask for | 15:57 |
| markstur | would this backend be happier with an "unlimited" share feature? | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | if we can't give them what they ask for, it should be an error and we help them ask for the right thing | 15:57 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1, and the driver should document their "feature" | 15:57 |
| ganso | if users request 127, it should land on a backend that supports a 127gb size share. If user requests 128, then it may land on this backend | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | markstur: petabytes != unlimited | 15:57 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: it's hard to do this check in the API layer, but a user message could say why the request didn't pass the ShareSizeFilter | 15:58 |
| ganso | markstur: that would not solve the problem | 15:58 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: and the default minimum share size could be 1 | 15:58 |
| tpsilva | markstur: not sure if that's possible | 15:58 |
| markstur | well nothing is really unlimited. but unlimited has been proposed in the past | 15:58 |
| ganso | markstur: I am assuming you mean something like size = null, so unlimited | 15:58 |
| xyang1 | the scheduler does not provide a nice user message though | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | oh you mean no size.. | 15:58 |
| ganso | since this backend maps to a filesystem, the filesystem needs a size | 15:58 |
| xyang1 | it says no host found | 15:58 |
| bswartz | unlimited is not infinite | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | ameade's here, user messages are still a possibility :) | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | time check | 15:59 |
| bswartz | unlimited means we don't enforce any limit -- but the laws of physics will inevitably enforce some limit | 15:59 |
| tpsilva | the idea of just letting the user know that this is an error is also good, but how? | 15:59 |
| markstur | so filter seems like the best thing for now -- but it is unfortunate the user won't get a message that says "try asking for a little more space please" | 15:59 |
| bswartz | let's take this discussion to the channel | 15:59 |
| tpsilva | k | 15:59 |
| cknight1 | filter + user message seems reasonable | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | cknight1 +1 | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 16:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-16-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-16-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-16-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | ameade can correct me, but I think we cannot provide the user msg yet for this error | 16:00 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 16:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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| xarses | the agenda is empty again this week, so I will open the floor to discussion | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic open-discuss | 16:02 |
| xarses | if nothing, I will close the meeting in about 5 min | 16:02 |
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| xarses | mwhahaha: anything interesting in library land? | 16:02 |
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| mwhahaha | iberezovskiy: is looking into the xenial stuff | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | there appears to be some dance to be done around keystone as they've dropped eventlet in newton | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | but we still use mitaka on the master | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | so fun with backwards compatibilities | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | other than that not a whole lot, 9.0.1 is progressing | 16:04 |
| xarses | as usual | 16:04 |
| mwhahaha | i fixed the ssl endpoint thing for ironic | 16:05 |
| mwhahaha | Bug 1568059 | 16:05 |
| openstack | bug 1568059 in Fuel for OpenStack "ironic_conductor doesn't use TLS settings" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568059 - Assigned to Alex Schultz (alex-schultz) | 16:05 |
| xarses | yay | 16:06 |
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| xarses | any other clean up you want to get done? | 16:06 |
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| mwhahaha | yea probably need to revisit the haproxy stuff but never really got a good answer on not breaking plugin vips | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | at the moment i'm looking into a bug in the mysql ocf script | 16:08 |
| mwhahaha | revisiting the action item from the last meeting, we don't test updated ocf scripts in ci | 16:08 |
| xarses | would switching to RA upstream help here> | 16:08 |
| mwhahaha | i thought it'd be part of the neutron_vlan_ha job but it appears that we don't inject the updated packages | 16:09 |
| mwhahaha | i think the long term yea | 16:09 |
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| xarses | ok thanks, I will close the meeting shortly if there is nothing else | 16:12 |
| iberezovskiy | let's think about moving keystone under apache on the master node | 16:12 |
| iberezovskiy | in 10.0 | 16:12 |
| xarses | iberezovskiy: +1 | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | we should work on a fuel module | 16:13 |
| iberezovskiy | I'll file a bug | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | in upstream | 16:13 |
| iberezovskiy | and that's too | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | and stop doing our fuel module that does the world | 16:13 |
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| xarses | ok, thanks all | 16:18 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:18 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 16:18:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-06-16-16.00.html | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-06-16-16.00.txt | 16:18 |
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| nsun1 | Hi | 16:50 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 17:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I’m 3 hours into a 7 hour meeting … | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | :’( | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | I’m on my second headset already! | 17:00 |
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| dg___ | hyakuhei livingthedream | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: epic | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | I know rite! | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | did the other headset give up on life? | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | ooh mhayden | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | welcomes | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | oooh, special guest star! | 17:02 |
| mhayden | haha, i'm trying to get these back on my cal again | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Awesome! | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Agenda ^ | 17:04 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | hey woodster_ | 17:04 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:04 |
| panatl | o/ | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | all I suggest we stop regularly covering Bandit and Anchor since they are mostly stable now | 17:04 |
| dg___ | +1 | 17:04 |
| woodster_ | hyakuhei: hello! | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Although there was an interesting bug logged a few days back with Anchor | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | we can still cover ad hoc I think | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Basically it’s more RFC complient than the internet :) | 17:05 |
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| dg___ | rofl | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Any objections to removing Anchor/Bandit from the Standing agenda? (move to AOB) | 17:06 |
| dg___ | +! | 17:06 |
| dg___ | wait +1 | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | So that’s -1 objections? :P | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | ship it | 17:07 |
| dg___ | just move it already | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Done | 17:07 |
| mhayden | so you're saying you want to "drop anchor" ? | 17:07 |
| mhayden | (sorry, couldn't help myself) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | wahey! | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Sailing close to the wind with punns eh? | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | badum dum | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | ok, we should probably do some OSSP things… | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | mdong: michaelxin et al? | 17:08 |
| mdong | cool, michaelxin is out on vacation this weel | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Outrageous! | 17:08 |
| mdong | I know. | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | lol | 17:09 |
| mdong | We’ve been having lots of design sessions this week to talk through some of the assumptions about how our tests are written | 17:09 |
| mdong | we’ve been taking notes on etherpad here | 17:09 |
| mdong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-planning | 17:09 |
| mdong | we’re also planning on syncing up with the OpenCAFE developers on our end to finally start moving off of OpenCAFE | 17:10 |
| mdong | now that the contact we need is back from his paternity leave | 17:10 |
| mdong | we’re also taking another pass at the reporting fucntion of the tool | 17:11 |
| mdong | that’s all I got on Syntribos | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | anything new here? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | I don’t feel that OSSN have had enough attention recently which is a shame because we know people are using them | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | I’m as guilty as anyone else for not giving them the required attention. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Any ideas on how we can improve that? Maybe a virtual sprint or something ? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | same, I've been swamped | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Jump on a hangout etc or something, bascialy we just agree to carve out a few hours one day? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | sounds like the best option | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets try to do something in the next week? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Lets add something to the agenda to record it | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | I'll be on vacation starting tomorrow | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I'm happy to participate but can't this week or next | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | lol, i see... | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | if you guys want to solve this OSSN thing while I chill on the beach that works for me though | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | No worries | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Righto, added something to the agenda to record people who want to help | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Next topic I guess? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | yeps | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Midcycle | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | attendance looks pretty low | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | So it’s a nice small group, nothing wrong with that we can potentially get lots done. The first mid-cycle wasn’t far off this size. | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | 8 listed, 3 marked as tentative | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | We’ll be able to help Barbican more :) | 17:20 |
| redrobot | \o/ | 17:20 |
| dg___ | :D | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | It would be nice to have more people there | 17:20 |
| woodster_ | :) | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | also we need to figure out which days are security and which are Barbican | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | realistically I won't be able to attend the entire week | 17:21 |
| redrobot | I don't think we have a preference. Whatever works for you guys. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Traditionally redrobot and I arm wrestle at the start which is why Security always comes second | 17:21 |
| * redrobot wonders if diazjf is here? | 17:21 | |
| * redrobot lifts | 17:21 | |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:22 |
| redrobot | I guess Fernando isn't around | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | So last I heard we had a big room at IBM Austin | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | have we agreed on any of the tentative parts of this? | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | dates and location | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll attempt to get funding for feeding people | 17:22 |
| redrobot | Yeah, I missed the Barbican meeting this week, but he said he's pretty sure it's going to happen at IBM... I think we're still tentative on the dates? | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | That might be right, I’m still catching up after vacation | 17:23 |
| redrobot | I can shoot him an email to touch base | 17:23 |
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| redrobot | I think I'd like to have a 2nd room if possible | 17:23 |
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| redrobot | not that I wouldn't enjoy sharing a room with you lovely folks | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | I think this a big partionable one but yeah | 17:24 |
| redrobot | :-O ... partitions would work too | 17:24 |
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| dg___ | can we confirm those dates, so I can look at getting funding for HP people to travel? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | yeah confirm would be good | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | and figure out split | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | like security Weds-Friday? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | Barbican Monday-Weds? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | i dunno | 17:25 |
| dg___ | lgtm | 17:25 |
| redrobot | tmcpeak sounds good to me | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, so we for sure have the room then? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Single day overlap works well | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | and we for sure have these dates? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | allright now we're getting somewhere, everybody ask for the moneys :) | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | anything else for midcycle? | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | think we can skip publicity too | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | +1 skip | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | docs might be another thing to put on AOB | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | there hasn't been any updates there for a while | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | oh | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | but we do need to discuss strategy for maintaining them | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko isn’t here | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei this came up last week | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Docs | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie etc? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: can you summarize the issues you're having maintaining stuff? | 17:28 |
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| sicarie | Not enough in-depth knowledge of individual services | 17:29 |
| sicarie | We had a compliance addition hit this morning - that's good info | 17:29 |
| sicarie | but maintaining info after a section is added is really where we're hitting a wall | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Difficult, back in the first iteration we mostly had experts in the room | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | yeah and also out of date security docs can arguably be worse than no docs | 17:30 |
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| sicarie | Yep | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | I wonder if we could do something similar again, gather the coresec’s from the various teams or something ? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | that sounds like it will be very difficult to coordainate | 17:30 |
| sicarie | That might be a good "design session" type thing for a Summit | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | not to mention difficult to hold over the phone and expensive to do in person | 17:31 |
| dg___ | feels like an in-person thing | 17:31 |
| dg___ | yes, expensive, but otherwise do we give up on maintaining the guide? | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | also this is entirely a volunteer effort with sicarie and elmiko right now | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | they are both busy with other things | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | so a scale problem too | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | dg___: yeah not sure, maybe scale back the guide? | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | provide guarantees for certain core sections and disclaimers for others | 17:32 |
| dg___ | i think tis the core sections, like neutron, that we are struggling with, sicarie? | 17:32 |
| sicarie | Yeah | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | well other sections are most certainly out of date and we just don't know it | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Well, I’d certainly say that it’s ok to remove stuff that’s not up to par | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Just WIP the chapter | 17:33 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | my biggest concern is elmiko/sicarie or both get reprioritized or move on from OpenStack and the guide is orphaned | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | That’s what we did to start with, if we didn’t have the expertise to write something | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Sure, well in that case I’d try to find someone else | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | but if we can’t find someone then we’ll sunset it, for now we should look at improving quality and hopefully adoption | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | I'd love to say I'll help with this but I won't | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:34 |
| dg___ | im uncomfortable about sunsetting it, Ravi made a good point about needing deployer guidance... | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | yeh | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | agreed | 17:35 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei: I'll take a look at it and see what I think we should pull out | 17:35 |
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| sicarie | maybe floating that list of sections to -dev will get some input? | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | yeah that sounds like a good step | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | did we bail on the checklists when pdesai left btw? | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder if converting everything to checklists would make maintaining easier | 17:35 |
| sicarie | there has been a significant amount of stagnancy over the last 2 months - elmiko and I are both involved in other projects | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:36 |
| sicarie | However, mine ends at the beginning of next month, so I can pick up a bit more after that | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | well I guess as long as you and elmiko can still work on it we're ok | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I guess just something for us to think about, mid-term plans | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry got pulled away for a second. | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Where are we | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: can spend some time cleaning up and pulling out sections at the end of this month | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | other than that it's a problem we should be thinking about | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | realistically OSSP resources are dwindling | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | so we should figure out how to do more with less | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | or trim focus from projects | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Same for all of OpenStack but yes | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | However some of the things like Anchor and Bandit are drawing less resouce now | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | true | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | At a minimum we can maintain OSSNs, VMT support and the security guide | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | agreed we should do those | 17:39 |
| dg___ | +1 | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | And of course the fantastic syntribos! | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | that leaves the question of threat analysis | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | this is a new project that requires significant time and energy | 17:40 |
| dg___ | I assumed that came under 'VMT support' | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | how will we deal with that with less resources | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Nah TA is separate | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Doug and I can do most of the heavy lifting I think | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | on a repeatable basis? | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | It’s more getting it to a point where we don’t have to hold peoples hands through the whole thing | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | Which is what the new documentation does | 17:40 |
| dg___ | at that point it should be fairly lightweight | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | That’s the theory | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | We’ll just have to keep trimming stuff until it makes sense | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | I will buy you both many beers if you can | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | *when you do | 17:41 |
| dg___ | deal | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | I know hyakuhei was on vacation and is still catching up so I assume you still have to synch on TA and there isn't much to talk about this week? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | likewise for blog? | 17:42 |
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| dg___ | thats pretty much it for TA, although we are looking to publish an internal TA from HP fairly soon | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | blog can tick along | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | nice | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | It’s ok if that goes quiet from time to time. | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Things like TA will create more content | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | sure | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | should we move that to AOB section too then? | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | along with Docs? | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Blog yes, TA no | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | sorry I meant blog, not TA | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | docs too? | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | No, they need more attention | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | #topic AOB | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Nothing? | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | I guess we can wrap then? | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | yep, wraps | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet! TY all! | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | £endmeeting | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | doh | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | haha | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | pounds! | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
| dg___ | hhah | 17:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 17:46:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-16-17.00.html | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | thanks hyakuhei! | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-16-17.00.txt | 17:47 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-16-17.00.log.html | 17:47 |
| dg___ | £englishproblems :P | 17:47 |
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