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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 17 15:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| mattmceuen | good time-of-day, everybody | 15:00 |
| portdirect | merry Christmas! | 15:00 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | Here's our agenda for today, please add in anything additional you'd like to discuss! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-07-17 | 15:01 |
| jayahn | ? christmas? | 15:01 |
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| mattmceuen | wishful thinking - it is hot in saint louis | 15:01 |
| portdirect | i celebrate Christmas every day of the year. | 15:01 |
| portdirect | its why im so jolly | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | I will be expecting my present portdirect | 15:01 |
| jayahn | i rather want to celebrate christmas eve everyday.. | 15:01 |
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| portdirect | fair | 15:02 |
| gema | o/ | 15:02 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jayahn | so that i can get a gift from santa everyday. :) | 15:02 |
| robertchoi80 | hi | 15:02 |
| tdoc | time appropriate greetings | 15:02 |
| portdirect | oh - in usa/uk its christmas day you get that | 15:02 |
| jayahn | that is true. early in the morning.. | 15:02 |
| jayahn | my mistake.. | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | I still haven't figured out exactly what time santa comes down the chimney, I have a hard time staying awake | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | jayahn could do it | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Follow-up on Rally test gating | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow-up on Rally test gating (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582463/ | 15:03 |
| jayahn | does US government tracks santa every year? | 15:03 |
| jayahn | ah.. rally one. | 15:03 |
| jayahn | robertchoi80 will do. | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | ^this guy -- big thanks to Jaesang on that | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | It's high on my list to give this a spin | 15:04 |
| robertchoi80 | sounds good | 15:04 |
| robertchoi80 | so, do you agree that we need a separate rally test on gate? | 15:04 |
| portdirect | i would move to experimntal | 15:05 |
| portdirect | just as we have doen with tempest | 15:05 |
| jayahn | we would like to ask. what would be difference between "rally test in each chart" vs. "rally test with a seperate chart like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582463/. | 15:05 |
| portdirect | as otherwise i fear most failures will be oom | 15:05 |
| portdirect | eg: http://logs.openstack.org/63/582463/5/check/openstack-helm-armada-fullstack-deploy/860eb5f/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-07-16_00_07_15_419452 | 15:05 |
| portdirect | jayahn: i think "rally test in each chart" would be better phased as "helm test on each chart" | 15:06 |
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| jayahn | yes, correct | 15:06 |
| portdirect | it just happens that most helm tests are implemented via rally | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | do we expect rally to use as much memory as tempest? | 15:06 |
| jayahn | ture as well | 15:06 |
| jayahn | true.. | 15:06 |
| portdirect | so - helm test should be used (as per spec) to test basic chart functionaility | 15:06 |
| portdirect | i see great value in adding a rally test on the deployment | 15:07 |
| portdirect | as it can test the deployment as a whole | 15:07 |
| robertchoi80 | that's true | 15:07 |
| portdirect | whereas we keep the helm tests limited to a tool that DE's and OPs can run in prod sites to perform a quick sanity check on the service | 15:07 |
| jayahn | agreed. we can do more thorough test, but you said that you rather have a simple sanity check for the deployment. | 15:07 |
| portdirect | (oh and Devs as well!) | 15:07 |
| jayahn | for ops, we are planning to provide more thorough testing via rally. but I am curious we need that level of test on gating. | 15:08 |
| robertchoi80 | ah, I guess the "simple sanity check" meant 'helm test' | 15:09 |
| portdirect | yup | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | I like running as much testing as frequently as we can w/o getting in the way | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | Do you know how much time the rally testing adds to the armada gate? | 15:11 |
| robertchoi80 | that will depends on the number of rally test case. | 15:11 |
| rwellum | o/ (late - sorry) | 15:11 |
| robertchoi80 | I should ask to Jaesang | 15:12 |
| robertchoi80 | the current number of test cases for that rally chart isn't that large, and we can increase the number | 15:12 |
| mattmceuen | cool - would be great to do it frequently. But agree that until we can run it reliably in openstack infra it should be experimental | 15:13 |
| robertchoi80 | that's totally fine | 15:13 |
| jayahn | no problem there | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | robertchoi80 also brought up this PS: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582338/ | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | That's a good one to be aware of | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | Armada is close to running "helm test" by default, as that's a best practice | 15:14 |
| robertchoi80 | yes. that PS looks good to me | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | Since Armada can't tell whether a chart supports helm test ahead of time, this means we'll need to turn -off- helm tests for charts that don't support it | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | (explicitly) | 15:15 |
| marshallmargenau | not quite! | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | oho! | 15:15 |
| marshallmargenau | if there is no helm test, armada will still pass it | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | well that's great! | 15:15 |
| marshallmargenau | it reports back "No Tests Found" i believe, from tiller | 15:15 |
| marshallmargenau | you will need to explicitly disable any helm tests that are not working | 15:15 |
| robertchoi80 | yes, that's right | 15:16 |
| mattmceuen | I've never been so happy to be so wrong. Thanks marshallmargenau :) | 15:16 |
| marshallmargenau | one more there's a semi-related change that folks may be interested in with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/581944/ (merged) | 15:16 |
| marshallmargenau | you can now apply your wait labels without a timeout, which will fall into standard chartgroup processing flow | 15:17 |
| robertchoi80 | thanks, I'll take a look | 15:18 |
| marshallmargenau | i.e. chartgroups will still wait until everything is happy, so they can use your labels now instead of just the namespace (from before this PS) | 15:18 |
| mattmceuen | that's excellent | 15:18 |
| mattmceuen | robertchoi80 anything else you'd like to chat about on this topic? | 15:19 |
| portdirect | marshallmargenau / robertchoi80 : would you guys be able to update the osh manifests to take advantage of this feature? | 15:19 |
| portdirect | would be awesome to get in the gates | 15:20 |
| robertchoi80 | ah, sure. I'll tell Jaesang to do that :) | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | haha | 15:21 |
| jayahn | robertchoi80 is becoming like me..... :( | 15:21 |
| robertchoi80 | haha | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | thanks robertchoi80 (and Jaesang in advance.....) love to take advantage of the lates armada features | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | Alright - moving on! | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Glance backing storage | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance backing storage (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:22 | |
| jayahn | Jaesang is getting married this satureday. probably will take some time to do that. :) | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | piotrrrr says: glance/deployment-api.yaml supports 'pvc' and 'rbd' storage out of the box. Do we want to add support for hostPath? This will allow for using host-mounted networked storage for storing glance images, e.g. GPFS. | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | OH my!!! | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | we could give Jaesang a little time off I suppose -- please tell him Congrats!!! | 15:23 |
| jayahn | I will do. thanks. :) | 15:23 |
| robertchoi80 | let's move on | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | for host-mounted network storage being used to back glance (rather than pvc or rbd) -- can that be done using a pvc driver for the networked storage? | 15:24 |
| piotrrrr | if you have a GPFS pvc driver, in theory yes, but (1) i don't think there is one (2) to take the advantage from copy-on-write in GPFS between glance and cinder you want your images to be stored in a well known location in your GPFS | 15:26 |
| piotrrrr | as cinder's GPFS drivers needs to be then told where to look for those images | 15:26 |
| piotrrrr | and ofcourse GPFS is only on of the usecase, there's probably other networked storage solution which do not have pvc driver. Having a hostPath support as a fallback would potentially cover all of them | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | I'm not against this. One thought, though - would it be effort well-spent to add additional, well-behaved pvc drivers for things like GPFS? | 15:28 |
| portdirect | piotrrrr: why not just use a local pv type? | 15:28 |
| portdirect | there should be a provisioner for that i think | 15:29 |
| portdirect | https://github.com/kubernetes-incubator/external-storage/tree/master/local-volume | 15:29 |
| piotrrrr | mattmceuen: personally I wouldn't know where to start with that. But also, and I wouldn't be able to say now if it would allow cinder's GPFS driver (talking directly to GPFS) to take the advantage of copy-on-write. | 15:30 |
| piotrrrr | portdirect: I can't say I know much about the local persistent volumes. But again, my first concern would be possible lack of copy-on-write from glance to cinder. I might be wrong here though | 15:32 |
| portdirect | its just a awy of using the pv/pvc interface to get local bindmounts | 15:33 |
| portdirect | has the advantage of knowing which nodes can have the pod scheduled on it | 15:33 |
| portdirect | and would also work with the current glance chart | 15:34 |
| piotrrrr | I can look into that. though if the PVs land under different directories, then it might not work for copy-on-write (where, i suspect, all images have to be in a fixed directory) | 15:34 |
| portdirect | by simply using the "pvc" backend, and specifiying the lass to match the local provisioner | 15:34 |
| portdirect | roger | 15:34 |
| portdirect | s/lass/class | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | Awesome. Please bring it back up piotrrrr if that doesn't fit the bill for your copy-on-write use case | 15:35 |
| piotrrrr | Will do, thanks. | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Supporting multiple versions of OpenStack | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Supporting multiple versions of OpenStack (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:35 | |
| tdoc | As a short side question, what's the status of COW between glance and cinder with Ceph? | 15:35 |
| tdoc | (if anyone happens to know, otherwise let's move on) | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | Sorry I'm not sure tdoc - I'll add to the agenda as a topic for next time :) | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | and we can try to figure it out by then... | 15:37 |
| portdirect | tdoc: if using rbd | 15:37 |
| portdirect | then works as expected | 15:37 |
| tdoc | ok, thanks | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Supporting multiple versions of OpenStack | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Supporting multiple versions of OpenStack (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:38 | |
| mattmceuen | piotrrrr poses: How will OSH handle supporting deployment of multiple different versions of openstack? values.yaml will differ between Newton and Rocky. E.g. no need to write out content of policy.json | 15:38 |
| piotrrrr | Yeah, so basically I'm curious what's are the plans here. | 15:39 |
| rwellum | +2 piotrrrr | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | First thing to be aware of -- release-specific reference overrides live here: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/tree/master/tools/overrides/releases | 15:39 |
| portdirect | these need to be expanded to include the default deltas that piotrrrr points out | 15:39 |
| portdirect | but we currently gate on 3 releases of openstack | 15:39 |
| portdirect | with miniumum common settings between them | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | Would the policy.jasn get in the way? Or just get ignored? | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | (in Rocky) | 15:40 |
| portdirect | no | 15:40 |
| portdirect | rocky prob marks the point we need to move to osh 1.1 | 15:40 |
| portdirect | things like that mean our current charts work newton - queens | 15:40 |
| rwellum | That link drives images versions - what drives behavior differences? Like cells etc. | 15:41 |
| portdirect | but i think will break beyond that | 15:41 |
| mattmceuen | what a segueway to our next topic | 15:41 |
| portdirect | rwellum: cells is a great example | 15:41 |
| portdirect | 2 sec | 15:41 |
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| jayahn | so it will be 1.1? not 2.0? .. any rules on versioning? | 15:41 |
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| piotrrrr | I see, so to rephrase: the plan is to have values.yaml have the values for lowest supported version of OS, and then maintain overrides for higher versions, and/or different types of deployments which apply the deltas needed, correct? | 15:41 |
| portdirect | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/nova/templates/bin/_db-sync.sh.tpl#L21-L47 | 15:42 |
| portdirect | jayahn: the final spec is being worked on, along with the one for values over-rides | 15:42 |
| portdirect | and layout | 15:42 |
| portdirect | piotrrrr: essentially yes | 15:43 |
| portdirect | :) | 15:43 |
| piotrrrr | portdirect: ok, so overrides plus some version specific if/else in various scripts | 15:43 |
| portdirect | yeah - we need to work out the max number of if/else we are prepared to go | 15:43 |
| piotrrrr | ok, so maybe one last followup question, status of Queens overrides? | 15:44 |
| portdirect | still in flight | 15:44 |
| portdirect | I hope to have the final ps up today | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | thanks portdirect | 15:44 |
| piotrrrr | cool, thanks guys, that answers my questions here | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | excellent | 15:45 |
| jayahn | thanks portdirect. :) | 15:45 |
| rwellum | Queens and Master? | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | One more thing to add re: 1.0 readiness -- reminder that we have a TODO list for 1.0 readiness: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/worklist/341 | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | Lots of open items on that list, and it would be really great if folks could volunteer for some more of them! | 15:46 |
| jayahn | that clears my question on "current status of osh release) | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | piotrrrr - I think the rest of your q's in the agenda are all tied up in the in-flight versioning spec; anything else you want to bring up in that area before we move on? | 15:47 |
| piotrrrr | I'm good, let's move on | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | cool | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Source code copyright attribution | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Source code copyright attribution (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:47 | |
| jayahn | before that.. | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | floor is yours jayahn | 15:48 |
| jayahn | we consider osh master branch as "stable"? | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | the goal of the 1.0 release is to get a stable interface for OSH | 15:48 |
| jayahn | that was a quesiton from our ops team. they want to know what is policy of characterizing a branch. | 15:48 |
| piotrrrr | (sidenote: the "Questions, Clarification, and Current Status of osh release" was somebody else's topic, the color did not get preserved when I created the new etherpad) | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | So some things may change till then | 15:48 |
| jayahn | piotrrrr: that is mine | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | oops, sorry jayahn :) | 15:49 |
| jayahn | no problem. :) | 15:49 |
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| jayahn | ops team is confusing on the concept of master branch on osh. | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | I would say we'll only change things in the OSH interface if it will add value (not arbitrarily) until we reach 1.0, but things may continue to change till 1.0 | 15:50 |
| jayahn | they simply asked "is everyhing on master branch considered as stable once there is release 1.0 | 15:50 |
| jayahn | and.. just one quick check, osh version will cover multiple charts as portdirect described just before, but we will tag based on openstack version? | 15:51 |
| jayahn | oops will cover multiple openstack version.. | 15:52 |
| mattmceuen | I am dusting off my memory on Dublin discussion - I believe this will be addressed by portdirect's spec as well - but I think we will be tagging master along the way with recommended stable markers, e.g. 1.1, 1.2 | 15:52 |
| portdirect | are you deploying to prod straight from usptream with no gate/internal repo? | 15:52 |
| mattmceuen | portdirect correct me if I'm remembering wrong | 15:52 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: correct | 15:53 |
| portdirect | and those tags 1.1, 1.2 etc will correspond with a range of openstack versions | 15:54 |
| jayahn | portdirect: nope. we are not deploying to prod straight from upstream. | 15:54 |
| mattmceuen | anything else on this one jayahn? | 15:54 |
| jayahn | i have a slight different memory on tagging policy. but it is okay for now | 15:55 |
| jayahn | I will dig up my memory again to make sure.. | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | sounds like a plan | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Source code copyright attribute | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Source code copyright attribute (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:55 | |
| mattmceuen | ^attribution | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | As discussed in OSH meeting a while back: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-03-20-15.00.log.html#l-101 | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | We're planning on replacing the "OpenStack-Helm Authors" copyright attribution with the "OpenStack Foundation", as the latter is a legal entity and the former isn't | 15:56 |
| mattmceuen | Heads up that I'm planning to put in PS this week unless that gives anyone heartburn -- lots of small changes to many files :) | 15:56 |
| mattmceuen | If so -- please bring it up in the #openstack-helm channel today | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Patchsets needing review | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patchsets needing review (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:57 | |
| mattmceuen | Add ceph configuration for cinder-backup - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574146/ | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | Add sla check in rally task - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580286/ | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | Add rally test gate - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582463/ | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | Nova: add live_migration_interface option - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577349/ | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | [ingress] introduce keepalived sidecar for ingress vip - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577353/ | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | Let's please get some reviews on these guys this week^^^ ! | 15:58 |
| mattmceuen | I'll post them in the team channel as well | 15:58 |
| mattmceuen | with one minute left -- any closing thoughts guys? | 15:58 |
| roman_g | Summit talks? | 15:58 |
| mattmceuen | LAST DAY FOR SUBMITTING SUMMIT TALKS | 15:59 |
| jayahn | ah.. right. it ends today. | 15:59 |
| mattmceuen | thanks roman_g that's a good one :) | 15:59 |
| roman_g | reminder to you to talk to Jared | 15:59 |
| roman_g | mattmceuen: | 15:59 |
| mattmceuen | Appreciate all your work and insight guys -- have a great week and see you in #openstack-helm | 15:59 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 17 15:59:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-07-17-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-07-17-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-07-17-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| roman_g | Any one has submitted talks? | 15:59 |
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