Tuesday, 2018-04-17

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mattmceuen#startmeeting openstack-helm15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 17 15:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm'15:00
mattmceuen#topic rollcall15:00
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cristicalino/15:00
mattmceueno/ cristi15:00
jayahno/15:00
jayahnI am back. :)15:01
cristicalinhey matt & all15:01
mattmceuen https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-04-17 <- agenda for today, please add things you'd like to discuss15:01
srwilkerso/15:01
mattmceuenHey jayahn!15:01
lamto/15:02
jayahnsorry, i was overwhelmed by some management crab (but important ones)15:02
jayahncrap15:02
mattmceuenI feel your pain man15:02
mattmceuen#topic Active/Passive MariaDB15:02
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srwilkersyou just gave me a proper name for the crab i just got tattooed on my arm jayahn15:03
srwilkers"management crab"15:03
mattmceuen+115:03
jayahnlol15:03
mattmceuencriticalin brought this up last time -- A/P MariaDB (not crabs)15:03
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mattmceuenI don't think portdirect is able to join today unfortunately15:03
mattmceuenBut he's planning on digging into MariaDB resiliency this week15:04
cristicalinhmm, that's gonna be kind of one-sided then15:04
jayahnincluding mariadb deadlock?15:04
cristicalinI've had a look on what he was saying about the ipvs implementation of services15:04
mattmceuenHis plan is to fix Galera clustering -- we've had a PS out for quite a while but it hasn't gotten to mergability15:04
cristicalinbut I don't think that's gonna help15:04
cristicalinjayahn,  the deadlock is due to the random nature of the k8s services15:05
mattmceuenWhat is your concern w/ that approach cristicalin?15:05
cristicalinall writes need to land on the same node15:05
cristicalinwe use haproxy in front but we don't run maria in k8s15:05
jayahnwe also used haproxy in front at "legacy" openstack15:05
cristicalinwe tried with proxysql but turned out to be too complicated15:05
cristicalinI like the oracle sql router approach which uses the db to elect the master15:06
cristicalinthough I don't think it works with mariadb15:06
cristicalinalso probably just an 8.0+ feature15:06
portdirectwe need to scope where these deadlocks occur - as far as im aware only nova and heat suffer from the potential for deadlocks. Im exploring both ipvs (via keepalived) and a proxy approach15:07
cristicalino/ portdirect15:07
jayahno/15:07
cristicalinactually neutron is the most affected by deadlocks15:07
portdirecto/ sorry snowed under today, so may be a bit terse ;)15:07
cristicalinnova is not so affected unless you throw a ton of workload at it15:07
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portdirectwell then - we need to get them all fixed :)15:08
cristicalinheat might have some convergence issues, though I haven't tested how far it breaks15:08
portdirectyou can increment a counter and blow it up 100% of the time15:08
* jayahn think prodirect is great english teacher. I just leanrd "snowed under" today. 15:08
portdirectcurrently im thinking that an ingress controller with a custom template may be the cleanest solution15:09
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cristicalinI'm not so familiar with using ingresses15:10
cristicalinwe don't use them at all in our environments15:10
portdirectit would provide the same result as std a/p haproxy15:10
portdirectbut use k8s for backend healthchecks15:10
cristicalinand what would the ing be based on ?15:11
cristicalinhaproxy15:11
portdirecti think so15:11
portdirectnginx streams could work15:11
portdirectbut i think haproxy seems the safest choice here15:12
cristicalinthe most tested at least15:12
portdirectthough I'd like to test both15:12
cristicalinI never used nginx in front of mysql15:12
srwilkersim less concerned about what's most tested, more concerned about what we can put up and see how it works15:12
srwilkersi agree with portdirect:  would be nice to try both and see what works15:12
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cristicalinI'd be happy to ask our guys to help in testing15:14
portdirectcristicalin: that would be awesome15:15
portdirectsoon as i get a wip up I'll add you and jay as reviewer15:15
portdirects15:15
mattmceuenIt may be helpful to spec this out to ensure the solution is understood (including alternate approaches like nginx vs haproxy) and what/how we're solving the deadlock issue -- i.e. list out the alternatives and why we arrived at what we think is an optimal solution?15:16
jayahnokay. I will ask our guys as well.15:16
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mattmceuenthat said - I don't want to spin on a spec for long, as this is clearly functionality we all want in place as soon as possible :)15:17
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cristicalinany interest to support alternative mysql implementations ?15:20
cristicalinlike percona or oracle mysql15:20
portdirectcristicalin: yes15:21
portdirectI'm planning on adding a vitess chart when i find time15:21
cristicalinhmm, interesting, you mentioned that in the PTG15:22
cristicalindid you do any tests with vitess yet ?15:22
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portdirectjust very basic ones - but looks promising15:22
mattmceuenneat15:23
mattmceuenalright - anything else on the DB front?15:24
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mattmceuen#topic LMA values15:25
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mattmceuenjayahn - I haven't dug into the link you sent yet, but it sounded like a good discussion to have here15:25
mattmceuenQuoting15:25
mattmceuen    Example armada-manifests skt is using in CI - https://github.com/sktelecom-oslab/armada-manifests/blob/master/taco-ha-example.yaml15:26
mattmceuen    srwilkers: "syslog gathering" is enabled in this manifest. what things we want to include upstream lma values? If not, do we want at least a documentation on some lma use cases?15:26
jayahnI just lost power in my computer.. typing on mobile.15:26
mattmceuend'oh15:26
mattmceuenperfect timing :)15:26
jayahnmy macbook does not act normal.15:27
mattmceuenjayahn we definitely need to document some basic LMA operations15:27
srwilkersi think getting the kubelet logs via syslog makes sense here.  it's a suitable default in my eyes15:27
srwilkersim currently working on getting elasticsearch to play nice with the s3 api for radosgw -- wanting to get that sorted out so we can also provide some useful defaults or guidance on maintaining indices long term15:28
jayahnokay. furthermore, sungil has a question on preparing some reference vlaue sets besides default, something like fluent-bit only case.15:29
jayahnwe think it will help others. but, question is how? documentation? gating?15:29
mattmceuenjayahn, would it make sense to propose the syslog gathering and any other good defaults as a PS to the fluent chart?  Then we can discuss any issues around them as defaults and get 'em merged15:30
srwilkersdocumentation makes sense, and maybe explore having a place to put some reference overrides?15:30
jayahnsrwilkers: yeap. that15:30
jayahnmattmceuen: sure15:30
jayahnI can type good on mobile. :)15:31
mattmceuenAgree -- there are many opportunities to add additional reference overrides15:32
mattmceuenThis is flexible software after all :)15:32
mattmceuen#topic Vancouver15:33
jayahndocumentation might be enough, but we concerns that it will outdated if there is no check running against thoes ovverides.15:33
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mattmceuend'oh I jumped the gun15:33
mattmceuenThere needs to be a countdown for these topic changes15:33
jayahnthat was just my last comment. :)15:34
mattmceuen#topic one-last-LMA15:34
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jayahnI will back with PS, we can do more discussion next week15:34
mattmceuencan we gate them? :)15:34
jayahnnot everyone for sure. :)15:34
jayahnso we did not have our answer in team discussion.15:35
mattmceuenwhat about experimental gating that gets done periodically15:35
jayahnprobably possible15:35
portdirectId really like to see lma leveraged in the gates15:35
portdirectShould be the best way to get logs out... rather than my shanky xargs crazyness15:36
* mattmceuen FYI jayahn I don't think shanky is a word, ignore professor portdirect15:36
jayahni was googling.. again15:36
portdirecthttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skanky15:37
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* jayahn I heard my team members were discussing how creative professor portdirct's english is. 15:38
mattmceuendistinctly not the same thing :)  I'm sure we can invent a good software engineering for shanky, I'll add it to a future agenda item15:38
mattmceuen*term15:38
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mattmceuenalright - going once15:38
mattmceuengoing twice15:39
mattmceuen#topic Vancouver-for-reals15:39
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mattmceuenJay you added this as a "future topic" so we don't have to have the full discussion today15:39
jayahnit was a teaser for the next week meeting.15:39
portdirectDo we have a spec for the vms yet jayahn ?15:39
portdirectAs that really deterimes what we can do15:40
jayahnvms.. try to recall what it is.. (sorry)..15:40
jayahnpls help me. vms..15:40
portdirectThe Virtual machines that your going to provide for the workshop15:40
jayahnah..15:41
jayahnokay. I will prepare the spec for the next meeting. it can be two specs with / without lma.15:41
mattmceuencool15:42
mattmceuenThanks jayahn15:42
mattmceuenOne more thing to whet our appetites -- FYI lots of OSH talks in vancouver :)  https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=openstack-helm15:43
mattmceuen#topic PS Needing Review15:44
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mattmceuen    https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498929/15:44
mattmceuen^ srwilkers would be really nice to get Tempest merged in!  What additional review do *you* feel you need on this15:45
srwilkersjust eyes on it really15:45
mattmceuenCool.  Please help with that team and give it a spin for yourself.  Can't have too much testing :)15:46
mattmceuenWhat else guys15:46
mattmceuenOther PS that have been languishing?15:46
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mattmceuen#topic Roundtable15:47
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mattmceuenAnything else on your minds in the world of OSH or otherwise?15:48
mattmceuenalright guys - I'll give you 10 mins back15:49
mattmceuenThanks for time & efforts!15:50
jayahnthanks.15:50
mattmceuen#endmeeting15:50
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cristicalinbye15:50
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