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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 20 15:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| d|k | hihi! | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-02-20 | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | GM d|k ! | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | Please add anything you'd like to discuss today to the agenda | 15:01 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | hey jayahn! | 15:02 |
| jayahn | hey | 15:02 |
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| mattmceuen | We are missing some of the usual suspects, let me run around and throw things at some of them | 15:02 |
| * srwilkers is a missing usual suspect | 15:03 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | can confirm, mattmceuen throws things | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | ok here we go | 15:04 |
| d|k | if you're missing 'em, try leading the target with your throw. | 15:04 |
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| jayahn | tell them I even left in the middle of "drinking party" because of this meeting. | 15:04 |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | oh man - jayahn why even leave | 15:05 |
| jayahn | for irc meeting!! | 15:05 |
| jayahn | (officially) | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | multitasking : D | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Ratify Mascot-Elect Ratel | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ratify Mascot-Elect Ratel (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| icolwell | o/ | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | topic says it all - the Ratel has dominated the polls. Ratified? | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | rather, any challenges? | 15:06 |
| lamt` | o/ | 15:07 |
| jayahn | going once | 15:07 |
| jayahn | going twice | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | done. | 15:07 |
| d|k | badgerified. | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | more done. | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | badgerified. | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks guys - I can't wait to see the stickers :) | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Let me get this next topic out of the way quick | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | #topic PTG | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:08 | |
| portdirect | o/ | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | Here's the etherpad agenda for out PTG sessions -- https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-ptg-rocky | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | Reminder to get anything we want to discuss in person on the etherpad | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | Also, team photo will be at 11:40 on Thursday | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | so we can get lunch right after! | 15:09 |
| portdirect | :( | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: :( | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | i will be sure to take a rather large copy of the unicorn picture to hold up with us | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | so you'll still be part of the picture | 15:09 |
| portdirect | "i believe" | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | I vote we put portdirect's face on the unicorn | 15:10 |
| mattmceuen | I'm leaning toward skipping team meeting next week due to PTG, any objections? | 15:10 |
| jayahn | then let's make it happen. just need large copy of the unicorn picture? | 15:10 |
| jayahn | no objection | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | Cool beans. portdirect will be representing us at the Helm Summit this week, so he'll have to get a team picture of just him and a bunch of unicorns. | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Full values YAML ordering example | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Full values YAML ordering example (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:12 | |
| mattmceuen | Thanks for putting this together srwilkers | 15:12 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543991/ prometheus as example | 15:12 |
| mattmceuen | Let us take a moment to observe the YAML in the wild | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | no problem -- there are a few instances where i see full ordering potentially being an issue | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | particularly in cases where we define configuration files in the values.yaml when the configuration entries are expected to be in specific order | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | services like prometheus, fluentd, and fluentbit being the obvious examples | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | grafana too | 15:13 |
| portdirect | urg | 15:13 |
| portdirect | bad applications. | 15:14 |
| portdirect | I think the best 1st step would be to neaten up the yaml | 15:14 |
| portdirect | line 686 makes me so sad | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | I won't lie it's a little ugly | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | yeah, it's not pretty | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | but it's much better than when rules were defined in gotpl instead of yaml | 15:16 |
| mattmceuen | Right off the bat, dependencies and conditional_dependencies are far apart | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | ive been working to make the prometheus rules more granular and neaten them up a little bit separately | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | but that's a separate issue than addressing this | 15:16 |
| portdirect | I'll have a look at the deps | 15:16 |
| d|k | one (probably totally minor) issue i have with this is that it seems nice to me to have images: at the very start of the values file. i dunno if i can make an argument beyond aesthetics for that. | 15:16 |
| portdirect | as id like to expand that - as we support more nova/cinder/neutron backends | 15:16 |
| portdirect | another approach would be to write a spec | 15:17 |
| portdirect | for the layout | 15:17 |
| portdirect | as i though this would be the simplest way | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | i think a spec might be the right approach here, and to agree to something we then enforce | 15:17 |
| portdirect | but i wonder if the spec apprach may have merrit? | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | im leaning yes | 15:17 |
| d|k | i like that. if not a spec, at least a style guide. | 15:17 |
| jayahn | im also leaning yes | 15:18 |
| mattmceuen | Yeah, or a spec moving to a style guide even | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | as i started to be unhappy with the result halfway through working on prometheus's values | 15:18 |
| portdirect | jayahn: would one of your team be able to take this on? | 15:18 |
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| jayahn | good question (meaning I need some time to think) | 15:18 |
| jayahn | if it can happen after ptg, yes | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | Let's discuss approaches at the PTG, at this point I think spec will be a mechanism to discuss different approaches to standard style. | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | If we can keep talking about it, maybe we can get more direction for the spec first, agree? | 15:19 |
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| srwilkers | works for me | 15:20 |
| mattmceuen | cool | 15:20 |
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| mattmceuen | #topic PS needing eyes and reviews | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PS needing eyes and reviews (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:21 | |
| mattmceuen | What we got! | 15:21 |
| jayahn | just rebased it to resolve merge conflict | 15:22 |
| jayahn | srwilkers gave +2 before :) | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | thanks srwilkers! | 15:22 |
| jayahn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538419/ >> Add template for Fluent logging index | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | np | 15:22 |
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| jayahn | srwilkers: thanks for quickly review another one on updating fluent-bit version | 15:23 |
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| srwilkers | not a problem | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | Any other PS y'all have been waiting on revies for, or recent ones we should get ahead of? | 15:25 |
| portdirect | I'll have one in today i hope for porting the image registry to osh | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546005/ this one should be quick | 15:26 |
| portdirect | and the one to abstract ingress rules finished | 15:26 |
| portdirect | also over the next few days... | 15:27 |
| portdirect | ...ocata gates | 15:27 |
| jayahn | yeah!!! | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | Boom. | 15:27 |
| jayahn | ocata gate | 15:27 |
| portdirect | we will enter the victorian era | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | Looking forward to those :) | 15:27 |
| jayahn | let's start working on pike right away. :) | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | haha | 15:27 |
| mattmceuen | we will get there sooner than later | 15:28 |
| portdirect | jayahn: we will be :) | 15:28 |
| portdirect | once this is finished: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545599/ | 15:28 |
| portdirect | I's like to do that | 15:28 |
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| portdirect | then add gates that migrate from n-1 to 1 | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | Any other PS before we move on? | 15:29 |
| jayahn | hyunsun is eager to have ocata to remove WIP from her two PS | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | Her changes are compatible with newton, right? | 15:29 |
| mattmceuen | we'll still want our version 1.0 to be compatible with Newton & Ocata per what we've discussed in the past (which is something to discuss further on PTG agenda) | 15:30 |
| jayahn | as long as i know, nope | 15:30 |
| jayahn | i was going to tell that last time. there are things in ocata that not in newton. | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | Sure - it's ok not to take advantage of Ocata features in Newton | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | But we want the same OSH code base to support Ocata and Newton, even if it involves overriding certain manifests to not get rendered | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | When we add Ocata gates, we'll still have the Newton gates ensuring Newton functionality | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | Can you check w/ hyunsun and double check on whether the PS as is would support that? | 15:33 |
| portdirect | if not - I can draft a spec for how to handle these cases | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | I think a spec would be good so we can ratify a single approach for handling these things | 15:34 |
| jayahn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522162/ | 15:35 |
| jayahn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545743/ | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | +1 on a spec | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | ties into defining and communicating our versioning strategy -- i.e. how developers contribute into it right | 15:36 |
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| mattmceuen | Ok last thing -- jayahn added some good and detailed thoughts on improving team collab across time zones | 15:38 |
| jayahn | we don't have versioning strategy yet. so, do you propose making spec doc on defining versioning strategy? | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Future Topics | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Future Topics (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:38 | |
| mattmceuen | jayahn, do we want to discuss that now, or shall we all look @ it, chew on it, and discuss next time? | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2018-02-20 | 15:38 |
| jayahn | chew it and discuss on ptg. | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | Sounds like a plan :) | 15:38 |
| portdirect | I can make a draft spec for us to chew in dublin | 15:39 |
| jayahn | but, basically, i start to have concern on this stuff | 15:39 |
| jayahn | and imo, it needs to be discussed, agreed, and resolved | 15:39 |
| jayahn | to make osh better community. | 15:39 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | yes, agree 100% | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | thanks for bringing it up jayahn | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable discussion | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roundtable discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:41 | |
| mattmceuen | Anything else we'd like to discuss this time team? | 15:41 |
| mattmceuen | going once :) | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | going twice | 15:42 |
| jayahn | in skt, we are getting a commit per an hour, and deploy the entire openstack, and test it against our value overrides. After this test passed, we merge that commit into our repo. that gives us to chance each single change from upstream | 15:42 |
| jayahn | ah.. | 15:42 |
| jayahn | twice | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | we didn't make it to three, you're good | 15:42 |
| jayahn | if it fails test, we have a chnace to see what exact commit is breaking us. even jira ticket is automattically generated. :) | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | that's awesome | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | nice | 15:43 |
| jayahn | that give us good chance to read changes, and we often get ideas from that on what is happening on upstream | 15:43 |
| jayahn | but, this "getting know what is happening" should be done in upstream community very well. | 15:43 |
| jayahn | that probably requires both att and skt, and other participants of this community look back how we work, and examine it, and improve it. | 15:44 |
| jayahn | (am i making sence?) | 15:44 |
| jayahn | that is all :) | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | Yes, it does | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | that is a good topic to dig into | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | The CI is cool on its own though :) | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks jay | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | alright guys, with that - we get 15 minutes back! Jayahn, go back to your party | 15:46 |
| jayahn | no problem | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | its helpful, but it's hard to really diagnose these sorts of issues if what we're running in the gate differs significantly from the stuff you're running i think | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | especially if the versions are different | 15:46 |
| jayahn | nope. my party is 40 min away from here. | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | but definitely think we should discuss this more in dublin | 15:46 |
| portdirect | Agree | 15:46 |
| portdirect | I think the most prudent way to resolve any delta would be to add a third party gate | 15:46 |
| portdirect | unless the run time is too long | 15:47 |
| portdirect | and it would be great to get some more reviews/contributions from parties using osh :) | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | i think a third party gate would help immensely | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks everyone -- see some of you at the PTG! | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 20 15:48:38 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-02-20-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-02-20-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2018/openstack_helm.2018-02-20-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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