Tuesday, 2017-11-21

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mattmceuen#startmeeting openstack-helm15:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 21 15:04:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:04
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:04
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm'15:04
srwilkerso/15:05
lamt\o15:06
mattmceuen#topic rollcall15:06
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srwilkerso/15:06
lamt\o15:06
mattmceuenSorry for the late start guys, US time change took my calendar by surprise :)15:06
mattmceuenhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2017-11-2115:06
portdirect\o\15:06
mattmceuen^agenda -- please go ahead and add anything you'd like to discuss today!15:06
mattmceuenalso a holiday week in the US, so we may be missing a few familiar faces15:10
mattmceuen#topic Summit highlights for OpenStack-Helm15:11
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mattmceuenAlright -- so a few notes we should share about the summit of interest to the OSH crew15:11
mattmceuenFirst, we sure did get Keynote mention, with some live demo goodness15:12
mattmceuen#action mattmceuen will get links into the meeting notes15:12
mattmceuenThere were several talks either directly or tangentially related to OSH15:13
portdirectoverall feedback was very +ve i felt15:13
jayahno/  sorry, late.15:13
mattmceuenportdirect, alanmeadows, & bommen gave a talk on OSH, which was really my favorite talk from the summit period15:14
portdirectI spoke to a couple of folks who are planning on moving their production workloads to osh15:14
mattmceuenDefinitely recommend that one15:14
mattmceuenthat's fantastic.15:14
jayahnI was able to talk with sprint, orange, nec at lcoo working group meeting. they were so positive on osh.15:15
portdirectthats awesome jayahn - we should start a support company ;)15:16
jayahnand, skt had a presentation on kubespray and openstack-helm. :)15:16
* jayahn that is my big plan b. 15:16
srwilkers:D15:16
mattmceuenHey now don't anyone stop developing :)15:16
mattmceuenWe need something to be supported after all!15:17
mattmceuenWe also had a great OSH workshop session15:17
jayahnthat is why it is plan b. we need plan a >> make everyone use osh.15:17
jayahnworkshop was fantastic.15:17
mattmceuenme agrees with plan a 100% :)15:18
portdirectplan c - sit by the pool drinking tequila15:18
mattmceuenI feel like these plans area actually sequential15:18
mattmceuenCan't spell today, with this meeting a whole hour earlier15:18
portdirectthe workshop was great for a few reasons15:18
portdirect1) it tested out the new dev env I've been working on  which deployed 150 machines with a single provision failure15:19
portdirect2) it then deployed osh about ~125 times on top of that without a single failure15:19
portdirect3) there were cat pictures15:19
mattmceuenDoes it count as the cat pic going viral if we are copying it via automation?15:20
portdirecthttps://imgflip.com/s/meme/Cute-Cat.jpg15:20
mattmceuenReally great job on all the prep work portdirect15:20
portdirectI was wondering - should we rework the dev env docs to use a version of the scripts we developed for this?15:21
mattmceuenFor anyone who'd like to play along at home:  https://github.com/portdirect/sydney-workshop15:21
mattmceuenI think so15:21
srwilkersportdirect: yes15:22
mattmceuenLet's get reuse out of this - made for a very educational experience, and goes a few steps farther than the dev docs to date15:22
mattmceuene.g. cat picture15:22
portdirectcool - I can try to get that going this week - and I also need to document the `infra` work thats been ging on too15:22
lamtportdirect I started a ps for the doc work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521370/ - will submit the ps to remove the legacy multinode gate from infra today15:23
mattmceuenawesome - if there's anything any new OSH developers can do to help with that work, portdirect, might be a good opportunity for them15:24
portdirectlamt: thats awesome!15:24
mattmceuennice, thanks lamt!15:25
portdirectmattmceuen: agreed - getting new folks writing the docs is awesome - they ask the right questions!15:25
mattmceuenSpeaking of which - we had an OSH project onboarding session as well :)15:25
mattmceuenat the summit.  Went quite well.15:25
mattmceuenDo we happen to have any new folks interested in OSH joining us today?  If so, welcome!15:26
v1k0d3no/ sorry late15:27
mattmceuenhey v2k0d3n no worries, you're in good company!15:27
mattmceuenv1k0d3n15:27
mattmceuendidn't mean to upgrade you15:27
* srwilkers resists the urge to make a joke15:28
portdirecthes got laser vision now15:28
* jayahn ditto with srwilkers15:28
* portdirect failed15:28
srwilkersand you didnt even fail fast15:29
srwilkersyou're so outdated15:29
portdirecti did shift left15:29
mattmceuenthat's shift-tab, right?15:29
mattmceuen#topic V3 Gate/Dev env in infra is done - now we just need docs15:29
*** openstack changes topic to "V3 Gate/Dev env in infra is done - now we just need docs (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:29
mattmceuenI will get portdirect back on topic by giving him the stick15:29
* portdirect ohhh errr15:30
portdirectso the gate in infra is pretty solid now i hope15:30
portdirectlamt and some others are using it for local dev as well15:30
portdirectit does away with the old kubeadm-aio and its continerised kubelet and replaces it with a pretty (I hope) solid set of ansible roles15:31
portdirectthat sets up a k8s cluster with some services deployed as charts - dns, tiller etc15:31
portdirecttin has been working on the docs here:15:32
portdirecthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/521895/15:32
portdirectwhich so how to use the makefile to simply setup a dev env15:32
portdirectwe have also been working on pulling this into osh itself15:33
portdirecthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/516450/15:33
srwilkershttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/521370/1 is the right doc link15:33
portdirectwhoops15:33
portdirectcheers srwilkers15:33
portdirectthe work to use this in osh is close - we just need to publish logs15:33
mattmceuenfantastic15:34
portdirectand then can start to retire the oiginal gate scripts i hope15:34
lamt\o/15:34
portdirectthe primary advantage the new work brings is that we can use an `armada` liek format to instantiate charts - and test upgrades15:34
* portdirect eg: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm-infra/blob/master/tools/gate/chart-deploys/default.yaml15:35
portdirectmeaning we can test many more combos that we did previously - and also address some big gaps we had15:35
portdirect1) upgrade testing15:35
portdirect2) node/cluster reboot15:36
mattmceuenSo right now, the new OSH gate scripts delegate to the (updated) existing setup_gate.sh.  Are you saying that script would be retired, or just the old invocation of that script?15:36
mattmceuen(by right now, I mean right now in your and lamt's new PS)15:36
portdirectwhen possible the old scripts would be totally retired15:36
portdirectbut I think we need to move there gradually15:37
mattmceuengotcha.  I like the migration path.15:37
portdirect++15:37
portdirectthis work also needs to go hand in hand with updating the docs15:37
portdirectso that we smoothy retire the original kubeadm-aio15:38
portdirectit would be good to get an idea of how many people are using that outside of att at present15:38
portdirectare you folks jayahn ? v1k0d3n ?15:38
v1k0d3nusing what, armada or kubeadm-aio?15:39
v1k0d3nsorry, was distracted.15:39
* v1k0d3n reads back15:39
portdirectthe current kubeadm-aio15:39
v1k0d3nhaven't touched it in a while.15:40
jayahnwe are not using the current kubeadm-aio15:40
portdirectnice - what are you guys using? bootkube v1k0d3n ?15:40
v1k0d3nbootkube projects only. although will look at kubeadm self-hosted at some point...but it's a mess in it's current state.15:40
v1k0d3nbootkube as a base. starting a custom deployment projects around self-hosted concepts.15:41
jayahnwe are all kubespray here in skt15:41
portdirectawesome15:41
portdirectone of the things we added with the new work was a `make dev-deploy charts`15:42
portdirectthat should work with any k8s env15:42
jayahnalthough we have some plan to get serious with osh gate tools.15:42
portdirectw00t :)15:42
jayahnokay. good to know. :)15:42
mattmceuen#topic default docker version15:43
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mattmceuenall you srwilkers15:43
srwilkersjust wanted to point out that the default docker version for ubuntu is 1.13, which caused some issues with k8s <1.8 if i recall.  portdirect mentioned a patchset that lamt has in flight for using whats in the gates as the version we pin to, which makes this a nonissue i think15:44
srwilkersthat's all really15:44
mattmceuenExcellent.  Here's the RFC so y'all can C:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521233/15:44
srwilkerswas going to mention it in the docs, but the docs rework already covers it15:45
mattmceuen#topic reviews needed15:45
*** openstack changes topic to "reviews needed (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:45
mattmceuenSo - the summit got us a bit behind15:45
mattmceuenalso some vacation, and we're entering the holiday season for some of us15:45
srwilkersjust in time for the holidays to let us play catch up :)15:46
v1k0d3nnice work portdirect on keeping the kube env agnostic.15:46
mattmceuenYeah, some folks will probably do more reviews over the holidays rather than less :-D15:46
* srwilkers is guilty15:46
mattmceuenBut we def need a concerted effort to catch up & clean up our backlog of WIP15:46
mattmceuenIn the meantime:  any PS that need eyes sooner than later, or are stuck and anyone present would like to call out?15:47
mattmceuenAs mentioned, tlams RFC:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521233/15:47
srwilkersim going to review the fluent-logging stuff after this -- vacation took me away, and the hotel wifi was a bit dodgy15:47
srwilkersbut think that's just a matter of getting the rbac stuff tied in15:47
mattmceuenAnd to get the gate work completed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521895/15:48
jayahnI think I am officially good at forking cores.15:48
jayahn:)15:48
srwilkersi've got a few changes to make to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517645/, then will be ready for a proper review15:48
jayahnsrwilkers: fluent-logging stuff is okay, but we are having some probleme with fluent-bit - fluentd version matching.15:48
srwilkershmm15:49
jayahnwe will probably need to be away from kolla-image, and using official fluent images.15:49
srwilkersjayahn: right.  that's been an issue with their non-openstack images for awhile15:49
jayahnchart itself is okay and working :)15:49
srwilkersES was the same way I think15:49
portdirecta lot of the outstanding reviews are to do with opencontrail - mattmceuen can we invite them to the next meeting to ensure we get a good strategy in place15:50
mattmceuenOH15:50
portdirectwould a be good tie in to our first ci/cd focused meeting15:50
srwilkers++15:50
jayahn++15:50
v1k0d3n++15:51
mattmceuenportdirect:  yep15:51
v1k0d3nand this is something we would really like to be included in15:51
mattmceuencool beans v1k0d3n will do15:51
v1k0d3nwe're doing a lot of work around CI/CD, although we're taking a bit of a different approach. and on the opencontrail bits...we're trying really hard to work with juniper on this as well.15:52
mattmceuen#topic open discussion15:52
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jayahndoes anyone go to kubecon?15:52
v1k0d3ni know some discussions are happening with skt and att on ci, but if there are meetings that could be open...it would really help us as well.15:52
srwilkersjayahn: yeah, ill be there15:52
v1k0d3nyes, we have 3 coming to kubecon.15:53
srwilkersv1k0d3n: as far as im aware, the meetings mentioned would be part of the OSH community meeting15:53
v1k0d3nah, actually 4 coming.15:53
srwilkersunless im mistaken?15:53
mattmceuenv1k0d3n - def take a watch of the summit presentation I mentioned above -- that had some great OpenContrail live demoing15:53
v1k0d3nyeah saw that mattmceuen15:53
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jayahni happen to meet with some deis related folks here in asia area. it seems like we are probably having a meeting with them at kubecon.15:53
v1k0d3nbeyond demo...working together with juniper would help15:53
v1k0d3nwe're getting a sales wall15:53
srwilkersjayahn: does this mean i get to drink with you? in austin?15:54
jayahnanyone will be welcome to join that meeting, once it is confirmed15:54
v1k0d3nand we would like to break through that. meaning, they don't even know what work is occurring in this community, and are recommending things that don't really fit.15:54
jayahnnoep, i cannot go to Austin this time. sadly..15:54
portdirectv1k0d3n: we'll we are beynd that, they are really starting to do some cool things now15:54
srwilkersjayahn: :(15:54
jayahnone of my team will be there.15:54
* srwilkers will be sure to send jayahn tons of drinking photos with the crocodiles he never knew existed in austin15:54
v1k0d3nand srwilkers on the ci parts...not sure they're happening here. maybe some...maybe some nit?15:54
portdirectv1k0d3n: they are all happening in the open15:55
* jayahn crocodiles.. damn i was away from Austin too long 15:55
portdirectandreys ps's are really worth a look ;)15:55
v1k0d3noh...i thought there was mention of a followup meeting with CI in denver that i never heard anything else on.15:56
v1k0d3nok...well, i guess i'll just look out for them. nevermind then :)15:56
jayahnsrwilkers: I will make sure my colleague contacts you for a drink.15:56
srwilkersjayahn: that would be great :)15:57
portdirectjayahn: mattmceuen and i will be in austing as well ;)15:57
mattmceuenlooking forward to seeing you @ kubecon v1k0d3n!15:57
jayahnv1k0d3n: that has not been happen. there were only saying, not happening. :)15:57
jayahnthis ci focused meeting will be the first one15:57
jayahnausting.. good word15:57
v1k0d3nah that works. didn't really hear see anything else on it, so just figured we missed it.15:57
v1k0d3nyeah mattmceuen see you there too.15:58
mattmceuenit's a verb now!  "Let's go austing the heck out of kubecon"15:58
v1k0d3nlarry will be there as well.15:58
portdirectyup 27th for the 1st ci/cd meeting15:58
mattmceuenawesome15:58
mattmceuen2 minute warning all15:58
mattmceuenanything else?15:58
mattmceuensounds good - thanks everyone, have a great Thanksgiving!15:59
mattmceuen#endmeeting15:59
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