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| mattmceuen | here we go | 15:00 |
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| jayahn | o/ | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 31 15:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| mattmceuen | Happy Halloween everyone :) | 15:01 |
| jayahn | ah.. yeap. it is halloween. :) | 15:01 |
| jayahn | mostly, it means party time in here. :) | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | Here's the agenda -- I'll give folks a couple mins to join and add agenda items -- https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2017-10-31 | 15:02 |
| lamt | Happy Halloween o/ | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | @jayahn same! Adults get to party and kids get candy, everyone wins | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:03 |
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| portdirect | \o\ | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | ./o/ | 15:05 |
| srwilkers | :me thinks that looks an awful lot like a tie fighter doing a barrel roll | 15:05 |
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| jayahn | we are doing irc text dancing? :) | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | #topic comparison of log-based alerting software used in OSH | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "comparison of log-based alerting software used in OSH (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| mattmceuen | I don't think we have @mateuszb here today (correct me if wrong mateuszb) | 15:06 |
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| mattmceuen | Torelay his thoughts though: <mateuszb> I just wanted to let you know that I prepared patchets for ElastAlert (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516629/ ) and fluent-plugin-prometheus (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514938/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515061/ ). I'll be more than happy to hear some feedback - I'd like to make a decision which one of the solutions is preferable so that I may | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | continue to improve it | 15:06 |
| jayahn | i think you are right. mateuszb is not here today | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | I'll move his agenda topic to the next meeting, but if you guys can take a look and get him feedback on the reviews, that would be awesome | 15:07 |
| portdirect | will do | 15:08 |
| jayahn | yeap | 15:08 |
| portdirect | we really need to get the review que back under control this week as well | 15:08 |
| mattmceuen | Yeah, it's been a rough week all around | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Sydney Summit - social gathering? | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sydney Summit - social gathering? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:09 | |
| mattmceuen | It's a short summit! I can say that I'm planning on joining the WoO outing to tour Sydney and hear ghost stories on Monday night, and am very open to other events as well :) | 15:10 |
| jayahn | just wanted to know, since i am planning for "evenings". :) | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | i will join you all in spirit | 15:10 |
| jayahn | Monday night, there will be LCOO social gathering. | 15:10 |
| * mattmceuen halloween humor | 15:10 | |
| srwilkers | ;) | 15:10 |
| portdirect | jayahn there are a *few* bars in sydney | 15:10 |
| jayahn | I am thinking doing skydiving on Sunday | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | nothing like austin im sure | 15:10 |
| jayahn | :).. that is sad | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | yeah - I'll be at LCOO too, and will go straight to the ghost thing from there | 15:11 |
| portdirect | jayahn: I may be up for jumping out of a plane if you are game? | 15:11 |
| jayahn | ah-ha | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | half the OSH team jumping out of a plane, why are we tempting fate, people! | 15:12 |
| jayahn | portdirect: you can join. i am thinking 11am schedule | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | madness | 15:12 |
| portdirect | jayahn: will check my flights | 15:12 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: sorry for once again de-railing a perfectly good meeting | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | dont worry mattmceuen -- ill be safe in the US as a contingency plan | 15:12 |
| * mattmceuen looks up armed guard services | 15:13 | |
| mattmceuen | ok | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | #topic newton release cut-off | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton release cut-off (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:13 | |
| mattmceuen | I have done a poor job of preparing a list, but an excellent job of procrastinating. | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | Speaking with portdirect, though, it sounds like I may have been overestimating the effort of OSH release alignment | 15:14 |
| jayahn | great! you are exactly same as me. | 15:14 |
| portdirect | 1) support node/cluster reboot fully | 15:14 |
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| portdirect | 2) get the charts in correct repos | 15:14 |
| portdirect | 3) get voting gates | 15:15 |
| jayahn | regarding 1, i assume we only need to solve galera cluster stuff? right? | 15:15 |
| portdirect | as of today i think so | 15:15 |
| mattmceuen | if we can make OSH release-agnostic (rather than branching by OS release), then it's a much lighter-weight activity to support newton and ocata (and ...) in parallel, and (key point) to continue to develop and gate in parallel. | 15:16 |
| portdirect | SamYaple has been doing some work there for his own salt work | 15:16 |
| mattmceuen | So that's awesome. | 15:16 |
| jayahn | we did some sort of extensive test on node/pod/network failure. i think galera is only thing not recovering properly after "all-nodes down". | 15:16 |
| portdirect | I'd like to loop him into the mariadb discussion - as hes got a really good grasp on it | 15:17 |
| jayahn | i saw SamYaple's comment here. | 15:17 |
| jayahn | any upgrading requriement? | 15:17 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: I fully agree with making osh release agnostic if possible | 15:18 |
| portdirect | jayahn: I don't fully follow your last point | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | jayahn - I think upgrades should be included as first-class, do you have any concerns with it we need to account for? | 15:19 |
| jayahn | no. it was a question asking if upgrades should be included as first-class. (thank you for saying that) | 15:20 |
| jayahn | my personal opinion is no. | 15:20 |
| jayahn | FYI, while we are testing upgrade, most of things are okay. i found out that if we upgrade libvirt image, then the existing VMs are gone while we are doing upgrade via helm. | 15:20 |
| portdirect | jayahn: could you file a bug? | 15:20 |
| * portdirect bets he has already... | 15:21 | |
| jayahn | we are discussing if that is bug or expected behaviour. | 15:21 |
| portdirect | even if we dont have a solution - I'd like to get this documented | 15:21 |
| jayahn | okay. i will do that | 15:21 |
| jayahn | bug report. | 15:21 |
| portdirect | so that we can make upgrades as painless as possible | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | Agree - I'd like that to be fixed too. Ease of upgrades is one of the big selling points of OSH IMO | 15:21 |
| jayahn | if we are upgrading only with configuration changes. there is no problem at all, even for libvirt. | 15:22 |
| portdirect | I think its ok to say : you can upgrade nova, but not libvirt (ideally we'd work out the version delta that is supported) | 15:22 |
| jayahn | it is only when we actually upgraded image itself. | 15:22 |
| jayahn | i will do bug report as portdirect asked. | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | So portdirect, I guess that means we will want newton gates, ocata gates, and newton->ocata gates? :) | 15:23 |
| portdirect | yup | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | wunderbar | 15:23 |
| portdirect | ...pike, queens and master | 15:23 |
| portdirect | for kolla and loci | 15:24 |
| portdirect | and for loci we should also gate python3 for pike (poss queens) and above | 15:24 |
| portdirect | jayahn: are you guys still running centos? | 15:24 |
| jayahn | we are currently running ubuntu. | 15:25 |
| portdirect | I really need help with the non-ubuntu gates to get them voting in osh-infra | 15:25 |
| jayahn | however, we need to test centos again soon | 15:25 |
| portdirect | the funny thing is i run centos and fedora in my personal labs - everything works perfectly - but somthing happens in zuul that causes issues with calico | 15:26 |
| jayahn | hm.. | 15:26 |
| portdirect | we could move to flannel on those platforms - but I'd really like them to support network policy via cni as we begin to secure things | 15:26 |
| mattmceuen | agree -- we are targeting OSH for broad use, and should gate accordingly | 15:28 |
| jayahn | i cannot say we will be able to help on that right now. I have to see after the summit. | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | I think we can say that we're targeting OSH for centos, and it's just a matter of time till we get voting gates for it | 15:29 |
| portdirect | It would be great to get some addtional eyes on the gate work I've done in osh-infra | 15:29 |
| portdirect | it redoes the kubeadm aio image entirely to be something a lot more solid | 15:29 |
| portdirect | and *almost* (famous last words) production ready | 15:30 |
| portdirect | I need to get the docs worked for it properly | 15:30 |
| portdirect | but i think a few people (lamt, srwilkers ?) are using it for their work as well | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | yep, running it as we speak | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | works like a dream | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | speaking of osh-infra and returning to the point about moving projects to the right repos - segueway! | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | #topic moving charts to the right repos | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moving charts to the right repos (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:32 | |
| portdirect | lol | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | What all charts need to move where | 15:32 |
| portdirect | so the 1st step is getting the gate solid in osh-infra | 15:32 |
| portdirect | as we will use this as the base for all other gates | 15:32 |
| portdirect | please put your eyes on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514892/ as i could really do with feedback | 15:33 |
| portdirect | but once thats in then we should move the charts as follows: | 15:33 |
| portdirect | osh-infra: ceph, nfs-provisioner, memcached, mariadb, etcd, rabbitmq, libvirt, ovs, and Prometheus/fluentd | 15:34 |
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| portdirect | the last two may be controversial - but i feel that they are essential for us to have a comprehensive LMA stack in OSH and thus form part of the essential infra for a real-world deployment | 15:35 |
| portdirect | addtionally we can scrape the results from them in the gate to use for debugging and dev work | 15:36 |
| portdirect | oh and ONOS/opencontrail as well in osh infra ;) | 15:36 |
| portdirect | the osh repo will then contain only openstack projects | 15:36 |
| portdirect | and anything else will move to addons | 15:37 |
| mattmceuen | I don't hate the idea of moving those things into osh-infra -- I think we kinda return to the mission statement of osh-infra that way. Any dissenting thoughts? | 15:37 |
| alanmeadows | shouldn't we stretch the envelope with an ocata->newton gate? | 15:38 |
| alanmeadows | (revert to db snapshot yields working system) | 15:38 |
| portdirect | yes | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | great point alan | 15:38 |
| portdirect | but thats somthing i think we should add later | 15:38 |
| alanmeadows | sure, prioritized last | 15:38 |
| mattmceuen | We have in-flight patchsets for some of the stuff targeted for osh-infra above (e.g. Ceph and LMA). Should we try to get them merged before moving to osh-infra, or abandon/recreate PS, or depends? | 15:39 |
| portdirect | osh - the first project thats lets you go back in openstack time :) | 15:39 |
| alanmeadows | I think its a great tagline that we are serious about openstack version mobility | 15:39 |
| alanmeadows | anyways, digression sorry | 15:39 |
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| portdirect | can we call it flux capacitor? RDO already have delorean. | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | If the intention is to line things into the proper repositories it seems like the goal should be a scramble to get them into infra? | 15:40 |
| alanmeadows | or am I misstating what was said above | 15:41 |
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| mattmceuen | scramble: yes | 15:41 |
| mattmceuen | I just want to define scramble | 15:41 |
| portdirect | mad dash: no | 15:41 |
| mattmceuen | scramble like sports or like eggs | 15:41 |
| jayahn | scramble to get them into infra >> can you guys explain what it mean exactly? :) | 15:42 |
| portdirect | but yup alanmeadows we are all aligned there | 15:42 |
| portdirect | jayahn: push/rush | 15:42 |
| alanmeadows | Little legs scurrying but in an orchestrated fashion and with purpose | 15:42 |
| jayahn | sorry about not getting english.. | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | we only barely speak english ourselves jayahn :) | 15:42 |
| portdirect | alanmeadows: almost like hamsters in a wheel? | 15:42 |
| alanmeadows | portdirect: I just said little legs... | 15:43 |
| portdirect | i knew what you were thinking... | 15:43 |
| * alanmeadows blushes | 15:43 | |
| jayahn | okay. direct question. what would we do with LMA patchsets in openstack-helm repo? | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | so if a PS is very close to ready, we should push to get it merged into OSH prior to moving to OSH Infra. Like, a next-couple-days exercise. If it still needs substantial work, the PS should be abandoned and redone against osh-infra. Agree? | 15:44 |
| jayahn | waiting for osh-infra ready, then move. (hold more patchset works meanwhile?) | 15:44 |
| jayahn | ah. | 15:44 |
| jayahn | got it | 15:44 |
| portdirect | jayahn: I'd keep working there untill we have basic cross repo gating in place | 15:44 |
| alanmeadows | is cross-repo gating a target for a release cut? | 15:44 |
| alanmeadows | or will that need to follow | 15:45 |
| portdirect | alanmeadows: yes | 15:45 |
| portdirect | i think it really defines the point at which we have a release | 15:45 |
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| portdirect | everything is int its correct place | 15:45 |
| jayahn | agreed on that | 15:45 |
| alanmeadows | it also indicates when folks could safely take things as PS to OSH and resubmit them safely (with tests indicating it doesnt break things) | 15:46 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | are we good with a timeline of "thursday" to move the projects to infra, or is that too ambitious? | 15:47 |
| alanmeadows | sounds like it all boils down to when cross-repo gating is a lock | 15:47 |
| alanmeadows | if its at the tail end of things, doesn't sound like much movement will occur | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | ok. Call to action: try to get open PS against those items closed soon if possible! | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | (indluding the new gate foundation too) | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | next: | 15:48 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: Thursday is ambitious - but possible | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | "shoot for the stars, make it to the top of the stairs" | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | #topic next two team meetings | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next two team meetings (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:49 | |
| mattmceuen | Several of us will be in Sydney next week and will be pretty busy. v1k0d3n has volunteered to lead the meeting next week for those who are able if folks are interested -- ? | 15:50 |
| srwilkers | i think with most of the team in sydney/travelling, we should just cancel the next two meetings | 15:50 |
| srwilkers | that's typically what happens for the summit anyway | 15:51 |
| jayahn | two meetings? not only next one? | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | I am on vacation the week after next :) not sure about everyone else though | 15:51 |
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| srwilkers | i think some people are staying in sydney a bit later after the summit. would give everyone time to travel and readjust | 15:51 |
| portdirect | I'll be back for the one after the summit | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | and i imagine the discussions at the summit will tie into the work we do moving forward -- would be nice to have everyone present if possible | 15:52 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: would you be up for leading a little one then? | 15:52 |
| portdirect | so those who were there can give a recap of what happened - and then the next one we'll be back up to full steam | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | whatever works | 15:53 |
| portdirect | as i think only mattmceuen and alanmeadows will be ooo | 15:53 |
| mattmceuen | If just alan & me are gone, let's meet in our absence | 15:53 |
| mattmceuen | v1k0d3n, srwilkers, if you guys can make that happen it would be appreciated | 15:54 |
| mattmceuen | and we call off next week | 15:54 |
| alanmeadows | sounds like just a single skip is in order | 15:54 |
| jayahn | quick question, you guys are working on 28th Nov? when is thanksgiving holiday? | 15:54 |
| portdirect | jayahn: I will be | 15:54 |
| mattmceuen | I'll be working too | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | 23rd is thanksgiving | 15:54 |
| jayahn | ah.. got it. | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Needs Review | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Needs Review (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:55 | |
| alanmeadows | @jayahn: this will be portdirect on thanksgiving http://www.seriouseats.com/images/2014/11/20141128-twase-1.jpg | 15:55 |
| v1k0d3n | Yup! On it mattmceuen | 15:55 |
| jayahn | nice | 15:55 |
| srwilkers | alanmeadows: ;) | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8BqUQnTX/ | 15:56 |
| jayahn | just want to have your eyes on "nova placement" and "fluent logging". | 15:56 |
| mattmceuen | Yeah, let's please get reviews on those and get things as ready as possible before the summit (esp the fluent piece given the osh-infra discussion) | 15:57 |
| portdirect | nova-placement is essential for >newton so lets get that in asap | 15:57 |
| alanmeadows | I will take a look at placement today - we have been doing a lot of ocata uplift work and had to tinker with the outstanding PS to get things going | 15:57 |
| alanmeadows | (especially being considerate of it doing *both* newton and ocata) | 15:58 |
| jayahn | we are also doing ocata uplift work. | 15:58 |
| mattmceuen | alright folks, we're about out of time! last call! | 15:59 |
| jayahn | srwilers: can you time to look at fluent-logging? | 15:59 |
| jayahn | srwilkers | 15:59 |
| jayahn | 1min left. :) | 15:59 |
| srwilkers | yep, ill look at it now | 15:59 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| jayahn | thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 31 15:59:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-10-31-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-10-31-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-10-31-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| mattmceuen | thanks all! see you in the chat room | 15:59 |
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