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| srwilkers | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 15:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is srwilkers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| srwilkers | morning everyone o/ | 15:00 |
| jayahn | morning | 15:01 |
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| portdirect | o/ | 15:01 |
| dulek | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | dulek: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2017-06-27 | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | thanks portdirect | 15:01 |
| dulek | portdirect: Oh, why me? :D | 15:01 |
| jayahn | really sorry about this stupid auto-translation. | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, no worries :) | 15:02 |
| jayahn | normally i don't use it. | 15:02 |
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| portdirect | oh - lol sorry dulek :) | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | we've got a few items on the agenda. if anyone wants to add to it, feel free to do so | 15:02 |
| portdirect | hers trouble - hey anticw o/ | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | just in time anticw | 15:02 |
| srwilkers | #topic ceph secrets generation | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ceph secrets generation (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| srwilkers | anticw, portdirect, lrensing: floors yours | 15:03 |
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| portdirect | o/ | 15:04 |
| lrensing | o/ | 15:04 |
| portdirect | so have a big scary ps in flight: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474317/ | 15:04 |
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| portdirect | would really appreacate fb - though I'm aware its rough round the edges still :) | 15:04 |
| portdirect | but it should greatly simplify ceph deployment | 15:04 |
| portdirect | removing the secret gen stuff from helm-toolkit | 15:05 |
| portdirect | and making the ceph chart standalone | 15:05 |
| lrensing | yep - something that will definitely need to be added (sometime) is a cleanup secrets job on deletion | 15:05 |
| portdirect | we can do that via lifecycle hoosk really easily :) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | *hooks | 15:06 |
| lrensing | since they are generated in a roundabout way that normal helm delete can't detect | 15:06 |
| lrensing | exactly :) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | this also move the dev env default to ceph | 15:06 |
| portdirect | and I've tested it on a number of platforms: ubuntu, centos, fedora, and atomic | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | portdirect, thats awesome. means we can get rid of nfs then, yea? | 15:07 |
| anticw | it's a fairly large patch, it conflicts with some of the other patches out there so having as many comments sooner will be useful | 15:07 |
| portdirect | ++ anticw | 15:07 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: it means we could - though I'd like t keep it - as ceph is not for everyone | 15:08 |
| anticw | nfs is still useful | 15:08 |
| portdirect | low power hardware etc | 15:08 |
| anticw | sometimes you need to test things end-end quickly and nfs is maybe 3x or more faster than ceph | 15:08 |
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| portdirect | ++ | 15:08 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n know this is an area that interests you a lot - so would value any input you have? | 15:09 |
| anticw | portdirect: off the top if my head all i see remaining are some nova tweaks and docs? | 15:09 |
| portdirect | yeah | 15:09 |
| * portdirect he says confidently | 15:09 | |
| anticw | oh, and cleanup on remove | 15:09 |
| portdirect | yeah - I think most of the cleanup I can get done between calls today | 15:10 |
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| portdirect | the ceph.conf gen itself leavs somthing to be desired | 15:10 |
| portdirect | but I'd really like to have that at a follow on ps | 15:11 |
| portdirect | as this thing is already huge. | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | agreed | 15:11 |
| anticw | i wondered if it could be done in smaller parts, but it's not clear that it easily can be | 15:11 |
| portdirect | I thought and tried to work out a way to do it - but any other approach would have either left master temp broken, or had a chain of ps's all highly dependent on each other | 15:12 |
| v1k0d3n | sorry, was distracted. looking over...looks really good. it's a pretty large PS to go over. | 15:12 |
| v1k0d3n | really keen on putting ceph issues behind us. | 15:13 |
| portdirect | I hope the gate log dumps make it easier :) | 15:13 |
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| v1k0d3n | ++ | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | any other concerns/points for the ceph changes? | 15:14 |
| anticw | there are other ceph cleanups that would be useful to make things robust on restart, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474011/ for example | 15:15 |
| portdirect | if not - I'll try and get it in a merge ready state by EOD | 15:15 |
| portdirect | anticw: that ones a good un | 15:15 |
| anticw | i don't know what alanmeadows is planning long-term with that but presumably that will beed to be refactored | 15:15 |
| portdirect | i think its the only one in flight right now | 15:15 |
| anticw | portdirect: i have the 'nova ceph fixes' as well to refactor | 15:15 |
| anticw | i'm going to leave both of those until the dust settles on the secrets stuff | 15:15 |
| portdirect | cool - it should be possible for your nova work to slide in really nicely | 15:16 |
| portdirect | I was looking at it while writing some of this - so a rebase should not be too hard | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | portdirect, nice | 15:16 |
| anticw | i think we'll be fine | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | going to move on since we've got a full agenda -- we can carry any remaining ceph stuff to osh channel | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | #topic PTG | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:17 | |
| srwilkers | jayahn brought up some points for the PTG | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | before we dive into those though | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | i reached out to ttx about arranging for presence for openstack-helm at the PTG. since we're a hosted project, they cant schedule us in a room proper or put us on the agenda, however | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | he did say we're free to use the drop in rooms and space for openstack-helm, given that we handle the messaging and arrangements ourselves. ill be firing out emails related to this over the next few days | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, floors yours :) | 15:19 |
| jayahn | not much to say. we are looking into making monasca chart, and found monasca-helm repo. then thought it would be a good cross-project topic at PTG | 15:20 |
| jayahn | since we can get monasca guys working together on helm. i used to know monasca ptl from HPE. I will try to find out he is still PTL. | 15:20 |
| jayahn | then, suggest some communication over helm chart collaboration | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, i started looking at monasca-helm. is it specific to gathering openstack metrics? | 15:21 |
| jayahn | yes. gathering and analyzing | 15:21 |
| jayahn | it seems like monasca-agent has plugin to prometheus as well | 15:21 |
| dulek | jayahn: Roland Hochmuth is currently Monasca's PTL from HPE. | 15:22 |
| jayahn | yes, same guy then. | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | yeah, i saw the prometheus bits there | 15:22 |
| jayahn | i will try to talk to him in this week | 15:22 |
| portdirect | are they on irc? | 15:23 |
| portdirect | would be good to have sync up before? | 15:23 |
| jayahn | yes, there is #openstack-monasca channel | 15:23 |
| * portdirect joining :) | 15:23 | |
| srwilkers | jayahn, thatd be awesome. ive got a helm chart in progress for the openstack-exporter by canonical for prometheus, but would be interested in looking at monasca-helm as an alternative to that exporter | 15:23 |
| jayahn | yeap. | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | any other PTG-related questions/points? | 15:25 |
| jayahn | not much. i really need to get travel fund secured, but seems difficult. | 15:25 |
| * jayahn sad. the company is not happy about multiple international travel.. summits and ptgs.. | 15:26 | |
| srwilkers | jayahn, i think they provide travel assistance, but honestly not sure how that process works :( | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | they being the foundation | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | #topic neutron-onos -> openstack-helm-infra | 15:26 |
| jayahn | i know. i usually get travel assistance for the summit, | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-onos -> openstack-helm-infra (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:26 | |
| portdirect | I've used it in the past - they were very helpful - Id really recommend reaching out jayahn | 15:26 |
| jayahn | since i am an ambassador. :) | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | was neutron-onos one of your topics as well jayahn? | 15:27 |
| jayahn | anyway, i just wanted to say we will move neutron-onos to openstack-helm-infra. | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | nice :) | 15:27 |
| jayahn | pordirect: when you have some time, pls look over. | 15:27 |
| portdirect | jayahn: will do - I've been very time poor - but promise to do it by wed | 15:28 |
| portdirect | I have a lab setup that I plan to deploy it on | 15:28 |
| jayahn | we internally tested and it is working, but needs some documentation and guide | 15:28 |
| korzen | so neutron-onos is copy-paste te neutron chart? | 15:28 |
| jayahn | i will try to provide basic documents by end of this week | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, documentation would be awesome. we'd really like to see proper docs accompanying new charts/features coming in | 15:28 |
| jayahn | korzen: yes, one engineer from my team is doing hard work copy & paste every changes in neutron chart. :) | 15:29 |
| jayahn | from neutron chart to neutron-onos | 15:29 |
| korzen | I was thinkin about small addition to neutron chart to support onos | 15:29 |
| jayahn | yeap. that is also our final goal. | 15:29 |
| portdirect | jayahn: lets work out how to take what you need from neutron with out having to be so wet :) | 15:29 |
| korzen | and onos-related chart that would not need to copy everything from neutron | 15:29 |
| portdirect | korzen: sounds intersting | 15:29 |
| jayahn | sure. | 15:29 |
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| korzen | I am also short on time, but I will commend on the review about the idea | 15:30 |
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| jayahn | korzen: thanks! | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | korzen, thatd be great | 15:30 |
| korzen | I would do it tomorrow I hope ;) | 15:31 |
| portdirect | I've been wondering about adding the ability to disable/enable each manifest in a chart - would allow real granularity of control if needed | 15:31 |
| jayahn | next one is also mine. just letting know we are putting tempest addition. pls review and give us feedback. | 15:31 |
| portdirect | jayahn: looked at it this morning - looks good so far | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | #topic Adding Tempest | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding Tempest (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:32 | |
| srwilkers | jayahn, sounds good. will do :) | 15:32 |
| jayahn | internally at skt, we are using upstream rally test for individiual chart testing, and then use full tempest testing with full openstack installation. | 15:32 |
| jayahn | i was wondering how community upstream will use this tempest. | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, thats something we can discuss. i think theres a blueprint on launchpad currently. we could use that for a base for our discussions regarding tempest moving forward | 15:33 |
| jayahn | sure. i will find out blueprint | 15:33 |
| srwilkers | sounds good | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | #topic LCOO JIRA issues | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LCOO JIRA issues (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:35 | |
| srwilkers | dulek, i think this is yours | 15:35 |
| dulek | Hi! I wanted to grab some work that isn't assigned in LCOO JIRA (https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/projects/OSH) | 15:35 |
| dulek | I wonder how up to date are OSH-27 (Common approach for post-resource Tenant injection in Keystone) and OSH-101 (Configure Keystone to use LDAP as authentication backend.) | 15:35 |
| dulek | Any pointers? | 15:36 |
| portdirect | dulek: i think we really need to go though that list | 15:36 |
| dulek | portdirect: What do you mean? | 15:36 |
| portdirect | OSH-27 and OSH-101 are done i think | 15:36 |
| dulek | Oh, cool then. :D | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | portdirect, agreed. we should review that list and see what's really remaining to work on | 15:37 |
| portdirect | yeah - soon as we have it in a happy shape then I think it would be great to use it along with launchpad to co-ordinate our activities | 15:38 |
| dulek | srwilkers, portdirect: That would definitely be helpful. I want to grab some work, but I need to know what's on the project's roadmap. | 15:38 |
| portdirect | (at least for LCOO peeps) | 15:38 |
| dulek | So I'll use my remaining time to remind my Keystone Fernet tokens (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463730/) and credential tokens (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468867/) patches. | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | dulek, agreed. ive been working the last few days to tie things to blueprints in launchpad that exist currently. i think another diligent pass through the JIRA instance should result in an accurate portrayal of work for the roadmap | 15:38 |
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| portdirect | dulek: nice - though was there a reason we did not just use a pv for the rotation? | 15:39 |
| portdirect | fair points about the atutomatic cron jobs | 15:39 |
| * portdirect shakes fist a cron :) | 15:40 | |
| srwilkers | cron >:( | 15:40 |
| dulek | portdirect: PV would need to be read many, write one. That isn't supported by RBD. | 15:40 |
| portdirect | where possible id really like to minimise interaction with the k8s api | 15:40 |
| portdirect | could use another provider, or cephfs? | 15:41 |
| portdirect | thats the approach some other projects have taken | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | ++ | 15:41 |
| dulek | portdirect: Plese see initial comments from alanmeadows on patchset #2. I would be very glad if core team could come to a consistent decision there. | 15:41 |
| dulek | Kolla-k8s is using secret to store keys. Same goes with fuel-ccp. | 15:42 |
| portdirect | is that a recent change for kolla ? last i looked they were using cephfs | 15:42 |
| dulek | And yes, cephfs would work in that case, but alanmeadows was argumenting that our primary choice is RBD. | 15:43 |
| dulek | portdirect: Hm, I've looked a while ago - patch is 1,5 month old now. Maybe they've switched. | 15:43 |
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| portdirect | dulek: actually looks like they have moved the other way | 15:44 |
| dulek | portdirect: Okay, they're using secrets for sure: https://github.com/openstack/kolla-kubernetes/blob/master/helm/microservice/keystone-fernet-rotate-job/templates/keystone-fernet-rotate-job.yaml#L107 | 15:45 |
| portdirect | I'll re-evaluate my position - but something does not sit right with me about this approach :) | 15:45 |
| dulek | Yeah, PVC was much more simple and elegant, but this compatibility issue came into the picture. :) | 15:46 |
| dulek | Okay, I don't want to take more meeting time, we have two more items left. | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | dulek, sounds good | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | #Topic announcements | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:47 | |
| jayahn | Not in this meeting, but i would like to have some level of discussion regarding more visible way for openstack-helm blueprints to represent community roadmap, especially on deciding priorities. | 15:47 |
| jayahn | ah,, announcement | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, i think this is your announcement :) | 15:47 |
| jayahn | yeap | 15:47 |
| jayahn | every info is there. :) july 13-14 we are having openstack days korea | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | thats really awesome | 15:48 |
| jayahn | and skt is doing openstack-helm hands-on tutorial at there. | 15:48 |
| portdirect | thats awesome ! nice one jayahn | 15:48 |
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| jayahn | and I am personally trying to reach out others in korea to talk about "potential collaboration" on openstack-helm | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | jayahn, nice | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | #topic open-discussion | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:49 | |
| jayahn | since i am the main organizer of the event. i can do whatever i want to do. :) kk | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | figured the last ten minutes can be open discussion. jayahn, i agree about community roadmap and priorities | 15:50 |
| jayahn | kidding. | 15:50 |
| jayahn | ah, yes. | 15:50 |
| jayahn | i would like to have that discussion some time soon. | 15:50 |
| portdirect | srwilkers and I are planning on getting launchpad and the LCOO jira much more aligned this week | 15:50 |
| srwilkers | the current list of blueprints should be mostly accurate. portdirect and i are sitting down this week to go through jira and what's on launchpad to verify the community representation is in order | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | from that point, any chats regarding the community path forward for the project should take place in IRC/launchpad | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | makes it easier for all of us when we can use launchpad for what it was meant to be used for :) | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | any other comments/concerns? | 15:53 |
| jayahn | not for the moment. :) | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | cool, ill go ahead and end the meeting then and give you all some time back | 15:55 |
| srwilkers | see you in openstack-helm | 15:55 |
| srwilkers | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 15:55:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-06-27-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-06-27-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2017/openstack_helm.2017-06-27-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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