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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 14:00:13 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | looks like only two of us, lets wait 2-3 minutes for jokke_ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, o/ | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | We have very small agenda for today | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Lets start | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | on time | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
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| abhishekk | So we manage to release python-glanceclient on Monday | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | yeii! | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | We still have 1 month until next and final milestone | 14:05 |
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| abhishekk | we are pretty much on target | 14:05 |
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| abhishekk | I will list down remaining priorities and present at next meeting | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Regarding periodic job, 1 or 2 timeouts are still there | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Cyril is communicating with the stephan who has proposed fix to subunit failure, no concrete output yet | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | #topic S3 support for glance_store | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "S3 support for glance_store (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| abhishekk | This is one of the priority for U cycle | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | specs is in good shape | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/687390 | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | Implementation is also available | 14:08 |
| * jokke_ has to admit no keeping up to date with that spec, sorry | 14:08 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/695844 | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | no worries, we have 2 specs, one is this and other is related to image encryption | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | I am going to test this patch functionally | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | Owner has also added steps to configure the s3 backend | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/how-to-test-s3-driver | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | we need to make sure to include that in the proper documentation if we are going to accept this | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | It's great that he made the effort already at this point to help testing it 'though! | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | big kudos for that | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, please have a look at it | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes, | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | #topic Open discussion | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:12 | |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, jokke_ I have commented on delete from single store patch | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I have few things actually for this | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | please have a look at it | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, stage is yours | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | there's few housekeeping things that could od with some love | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | I think smcginnis made great point on the sheepdog one, would like to hear what you guys thing | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/705558/ | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | looking | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | small client improvement of life from sfinucan | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/709262/ | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | agree with release note point | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | added to review list | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | stable backport for rbd driver: | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663857/ | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | and initial steps to get rid of v1 bits in client: | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708597/ | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | noted | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | in general we have loads of stuff that has 1 +2 already in our review queue | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | I will have a look at review queue of all 3 | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | thank you for bringing this up | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | some of them have been ball I've been kicking down the road trying to find time to review, some has already +2 from myself | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | when was the sheepdog driver removed? | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | this cycle | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ok, so it's not too late to figure out a migration strategy? | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | nope | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | That's what I raised on that patch just to be told that it's gone from glance_store already ;) | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. And I do think it's not likely anyone is using it based on the state of the project. | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | So now really just need to figure out how to make sure we don't totally break that poor soul who is still using it somewhere | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | well, with people still running newton, who knows | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: ;) | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | glance implemented the upgrade checker, right? | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | at least the skeleton | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | I will contact cyril and ask him to add release note as suggested | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: yeah, I understand that the project is unmaintained and all, but is it literally just broken and none of the releases will run anymore due to some dependency breakages etc.? | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Yep - https://opendev.org/openstack/glance/src/branch/master/glance/cmd/status.py | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | ok, so i think upgrade check plus strongly worded release note should be good | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | That's what I thought as well | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: That I'm not sure about, but based on experience, bitrot has likely set in so I would think it's broken or will be very soon. | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | just wanted to hear if we all are on the same opinion about this | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: At least a release note from us could be a warning sign for anyone that actually is using it and not aware of the project status that they really should be looking to migrate to something else. | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | plus, i think we deprecated it in train | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: ack, but that just means as we do not know for sure that it hasen't for example been operational for year or something like that someone actually might be using this so the upgrade check and strong reno is appropriate measure to do | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I'm pretty sure we did not, we deprecated and threw it away based on the idea that it's just busted | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | I might be wrong 'though | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | that seems kind of nonstandard | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | Pretty sure we deprected it first. | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | I guess we deprecated it in train | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | if we did, that was very end of train and I have slept since | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | Concept of time and calendar has been bit fuzzy lately | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/glance_store/train.html#deprecation-notes | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | Anything else guys? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | so we did warn in Train | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Thanks, I couldn't find that and started to question myself. :) | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | I think I'm good ... I added some comments on Rajat's cinder driver patch and downgraded my -2 to -1 | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | me neither ... i think we need a note in both glance_store AND glance for this one | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | for sheepdog removal, i mean | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | We should have it in the glance release notes too so it's not hidden in glance_store. | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: ++ | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: thanks for correcting me on that deprecation, good | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, looked at those comments | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i had the same moment of panic as smcginnis | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | sounds valid | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | yep! we need to keep that in mind that glance_store is separate and heavily affects glance | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | well, the upgrade check will be good | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | At least the effort was not totally wasted | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | Oh one more thing! | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | shoot | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | Heated discussion about our favorite topic ever, osc vs. python-glanceclient, in the mailing list. Guess what, most people already seems to agree that the right way forward is to make osc yet another community goal like how well it worked out last time! | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | yes, saw that | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | I am not sure how they are going to achieve it unless they throw everything on respective teams | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | well, i will -2 that community goal for sure | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: rosmaita: I'm sure cinder users will be thrilled as well if they are pushed to use osc in it's current state | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | well, there's also the osc/sdk merger | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: thanks, I'm fully planning to do the same. Thus wanted to highlight the thread. Now is the right time to start making noice how bad idea it is | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | if the osc uses sdk, then it will leave out all sorts of functionality | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i think the problem here is that there is data-free analysis going on | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: wouldn't be first time when I hear something among the lines "But I don't need that feature so I don't care if it's there or not, we just need everyone using this thing X" | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i find it hard to believe that someone can remember all 5000 'openstack xxx yyy' commands, but has trouble with 'glance image-list' and 'cinder list' | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: mhm, I already pointed out that the feedback I personally have received has been very controversial vs. the few loud voices in the ML | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | yes, and the thing is, this is an empirical question | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: It's also hard to believe that people who would have those problems even they need to use OpenStack semi frequently would not have cheatsheets for it | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | yeah, and i think the community would be better off giving horizon some love instead of this | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | so much that!!!!! | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i think serious scripters will either use the client classes directly, or if they use CLI, can handle different names | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | but that's just me | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | And if they can't they're probably in wrong business anyways :P | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | lol | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | :P | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | anyway, as a community goal, it needs to be ready to go first week of Victoria cycle | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | not like this time when goal #2 was finalized this week | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | and it needs to have details, not be a wish list | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | and it needs to have goal champions who are going to do the work | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, ++ | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | Based on our experience, I'm willing to discuss this matter when osc has demonstrated at least 2 cycles of feature parity and activity fixing the issues raised o we don't need to be telling everyone "Have you tried glance <insert command here>" "Oh it worked, thanks" | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: agree entirely | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | _Then_ we can discuss endorsing osc again over our native client | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | agree | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | Last time we got the demand to change, empty promises of it being fixed and catching up over I think 2 years | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | I'm not allowing our users to be put back into that situation again as long as I'm core in this project | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | Yes I remember | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | anything else? | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | fool me 3 times, won't get fooled again | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | Nope, thanks abhishekk & all! | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, please look at comment on delete single store patch | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | sure | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, smcginnis | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | anything else from you? | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/698049 | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | Thank you all | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | have a nice time ahead | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | o/~ | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 14:48:02 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-03-05-14.00.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-03-05-14.00.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-03-05-14.00.log.html | 14:48 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:49 |
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