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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 14:00:10 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | \o | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | Lets start | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #topic Updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| abhishekk | I have requested a round table with 6 seats for Vancouver PTG | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Hopefully we all able to make for the PTG :D | 14:02 |
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| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| abhishekk | M2 release is next week | 14:03 |
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| abhishekk | and we need to get multiple imports and copy existing images patches in anyhow | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | Kindly put some efforts in review | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | will review them today | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | I want to tag a release around Tuesday EOD | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, great | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, kindly have a look as well | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | As milestone release is near, we have started hitting parser error again | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | daily once/twice zuul jobs are fails with parser error | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | So, we need to keep this in mind as well | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | We have very less time now | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | #topic deprecate 'checksum' this cycle? | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "deprecate 'checksum' this cycle? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, floor is your | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | s/your/yours | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | between, I went through the logs of last meeting and had general idea about this discussion | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | yes, i guess the logs said it all | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | If we want to deprecate checksum this cycle, we should do it now | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | yes, i think we should deprecate in the sense that it will no longer be populated | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | but we keep the 'checksum' in hte image response | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | for backward compat | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | That seems safe. | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | I like the idea and keeping the image property for backward compatibility | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i guess the other option would be | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | glance checks to see if md5 is available | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | and computes it if possible? | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | probably better to just stop using it, i think | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | First one is simple and better | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, works for me | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | we will have to make some changes in the client | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | I agree, people are compaining more and more about us doing it and depending on md5 libs | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | the client will have to fail gracefully if md5 is not around | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | but it should probably still support computing md5 if that's all that's on the image | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | the client should handle already not having md5 just fine as it's not in all images | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | no, what i mean is md5 is there but the os_hash stuff is not | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | then client will try to compute the hash | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | and crash & burn if it cannot do it | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | s/md5/checksum/ | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | not sure if i was clear there? | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | this you are talking about legacy images, right? | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | yep, that behaviour might be something worth of asking from operators. I think it would be bad to not check if the checksum is available but there might be other opinions | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | good idea | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | we have some kind of option now about use md5 as a last resort or something | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i don't remember | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | I need to check as well | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | we just revert checking if checksum is there in cases multihash is not | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | anyone volunteer for doing operators survey? | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | what exactly would we be asking? | 14:16 |
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| abhishekk | what should be ideal way if checksum is there and os_hash is not available | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | I think 2 questions: 1) Do we want to expect that md5 checksum is computable if that's the only thing image has and fail if we can calculate it. 2) Do we want to have checksum around at all after deprecation or should we do db migration and get rid of it all together | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | "fail if we can't calculate it" | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | here's what we have now: | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | --allow-md5-fallback If os_hash_algo and os_hash_value properties are | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | available on the image, they will be used to validate | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | the downloaded image data. If the indicated secure | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | hash algorithm is not available on the client, the | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | download will fail. Use this flag to indicate that in | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | such a case the legacy MD5 image checksum should be | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | used to validate the downloaded data. You can also set | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | the environment variable OS_IMAGE_ALLOW_MD5_FALLBACK | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | to any value to activate this option. | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | i think we should keep that behavior | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | next question is, what to do when md5 not available? | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i think we fail the download by default | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | but we will have to also have an override | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | because otherwise the user is completely screwed | 14:21 |
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| jokke_ | nope, if md5 is not there we just accept the image | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | that seems counterintuitive | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | what other option do we have? | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: when you say "md5 is not there" do you mean the algorithm or the checksum property? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | ah, the property | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok, so the situation is: no multihash, there *is* a checksum, but the algorithm is not available | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | i don't think we want to silently accept the download without some kind of warning | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | current behavior is: if multihash/checksum properties exist, and download succeeds, then something was verified | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i dont' think we want to break that | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | my point exactly, so I think we should fail if no multihash, but checksum and no md5 lib | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | or we should just get rid of checksum all together | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | later founds more reasonable to me | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | ok, i misunderstood your comment (09:22:03 AM) jokke_: nope, if md5 is not there we just accept the image | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | yeah, sorry so "if not multihash or checksum properties" | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | I guess as jokke_ suggested we should do the survey | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | so the issue is, if i am a user and my system doesn't have the md5 algo, and i want to download an image, and it only has 'checksum' ... it will fail | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | do we want any way to override that? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i guess you can just do a direct API call | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | I think it should | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | yes, agree about the fail; question is do we allow an override in the client | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | (sorry to be a PITA, but we have to be really clear about what we are asking if we do a survey) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | like you said, there is the expectation currently that if we have hash in the image and download succeeds, it has been verified | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | right, and if it fails, you figure a network disruption or something and try again | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | but in this case there will be no chance of a retry succeeding | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | yep ... and if you happen to just be desktop user downloading the image for what ever reason and you land to the situation where it fails due no md5, you can fix your system :P | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i guess, the answer is: ask your system admin to install md5 ! | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | ok, we agree then | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, could you please create the survey? | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i dont' think there's anything to ask anymore? | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | fine | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | we will just fail when verification data exists, but there is no algorithm present to do the validation | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | same as current behavior | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | well there is still the question do we want to keep checksum and that md5 stuff in the system at all | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | well, the 'checksum' field definitely yes | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | or do we want to get rid of it when deprecated and free up the space from db | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | but i thought we agreed just no pupulating ti at all | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | we can't get rid of it unless we have a migration path | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | and it will be a nightmare to convert all this crap to sha512 | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | which might be cumbersome | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i don't think any backend supports direct computation | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | you will have to download, compute, and set the properties | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | (whicih you arent' allowed to set) | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i mean, an admin would have to do that | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | when was it we implemented multihash? | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | it's just one small column | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | stein, maybe? | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | possibly rocky | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | rocky | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i think we have to continue to compute it in ussuri | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | it tagged along with multiple stores | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | key thing is to get the word out that it will not be computed or populated in victoria | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | and that is why we should do it quickly | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | well if we deprecate it now, and give one cycle, we can stop doing it in X | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | that is actual deprecation policy IMO | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | mhm | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | yes, if deprecated in U can be removed in V | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | it will still exist in U | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | that satisfies the policy | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead, as we have more topics to discuss | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | In short we all agree to deprecate the checksum this cycle | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | #topic Multiple store import plugins | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple store import plugins (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:40 | |
| abhishekk | These two patches are very much important and needs to get merged before Tuesday | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | multiple import impl - https://review.opendev.org/667132 | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/667132 | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | I guess yebinama is on leave but he promised to have a look if there are any review comments | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | I have verified his patch, still need some doc changes but we can do it in separate patch | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | Tested functionally with 2 ceph and 3 file stores | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | and another one is; Copying existing image impl | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/696457 | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | This one is depends on former patch | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | Everything is complete with doc changes, functional tests (including revert check) as well as release notes | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | Please, please review :D | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead; | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | #topic puppet-tripleo needs glance release to get merged | 14:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "puppet-tripleo needs glance release to get merged (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:44 | |
| abhishekk | So tripleo guys are working on adding multiple stores support in deployment | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | but they are stuck as they need latest glance release | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | I thought it was glance_store they had issue with, not glance service | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | nope, it's glance which was not returning unicode value for store id | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | Unfortunately I have been testing everything on py3 so never encountered this issue | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/704373 | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | see the last comment on the patch | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | We need to release M2 on time to unblock them | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead; | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | #topic U Community Goal: Project PTL & Contrib Docs Update | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "U Community Goal: Project PTL & Contrib Docs Update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:47 | |
| abhishekk | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012364.html | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | We already have contributors guide, development policies in our repo | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | so do we need to follow this community goal? | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | I guess we are good | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | I assume you can just mark it as complete | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | we have the release guide as well | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | Ok, I will revert to that mail as well after marking it as complete | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | That was my take too - that we already had what we needed. | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | I will revert back to mail with appropriate links | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | #topic Open Discussion | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:51 | |
| jokke_ | there should be storybord or bug for that somewhere you need to go and mark done | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes that is mentioned in the mail | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | I will do it | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | guys please review the patches | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | ok quick question. Anyone has a problem if I try to squeeze uncompress plugin in still this cycle? Seems that lots of image providers are doing compressed images which makes web-download useless | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | fine by me | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | no objection here | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | gr8 | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | tht's all from me | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, smcginnis anything from you? | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | Nothing from me. | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | nope -- should i do a spec lite for checksum deprecation? | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | yes, that will be good | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | i think there will be no code change, just a release note | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'll get that moving | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | thanks | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | Thank you all | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | Keep reviewing :D | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | thanks! o7 | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | I will be online during night time from tomorrow | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | till M2 release | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | Thank you again!! | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | Have a good day | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 14:57:08 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-02-06-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-02-06-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2020/glance.2020-02-06-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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