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| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 23 15:01:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:01 |
| portdirect | lets give it a few mins | 15:01 |
| lamt | o/ | 15:01 |
| dwalt | o/ | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
| dwalt | I made it | 15:01 |
| howell | o/ | 15:01 |
| roman_g | o/ | 15:01 |
| cliffparsons | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-07-23 | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | happy tuesday e'rybody | 15:01 |
| cheng1 | o/ | 15:01 |
| zhipeng[m] | hello | 15:02 |
| zhipeng[m] | have a good day, everyone | 15:02 |
| rihabb2 | o/ | 15:03 |
| portdirect | ok - lets go | 15:06 |
| portdirect | #topic Apologies | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Apologies (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:06 | |
| zhipeng[m] | lets go:) | 15:06 |
| portdirect | I need to hold my hands up here, and apologise for the admin backlock thats built up | 15:06 |
| portdirect | in particular im behind on the meeting time re-arangment | 15:06 |
| portdirect | and the release versioning spec | 15:07 |
| portdirect | im sorry - things have been hectic | 15:07 |
| portdirect | and im trying to get back on track | 15:07 |
| portdirect | though may take another week or two | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: you're only human | 15:07 |
| portdirect | #topic Gating for more than just the ocata release. | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gating for more than just the ocata release. (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:09 | |
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| portdirect | so we have had checks in place for all openstack realeases from ocata to stein for some time now | 15:09 |
| portdirect | and also opensuse support for rocky | 15:09 |
| portdirect | its probably time we considered them for promotion to gates | 15:10 |
| portdirect | or at least a subset of them | 15:10 |
| portdirect | thoughts? | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | i think that makes sense | 15:11 |
| lamt | ++, but do we need to cover all the releases from ocata -> stein? or just a subset of those releases | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | i'm checking through now and don't see any particular subset of jobs that seems to fail often enough to cause concern, at least from my perspective | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: the simple fact of enabling things in gates will make things fail, Murphy's law still apply | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | well, i take that back -- it seems the compute jobs fail more frequently than anything else, but that's not any different than what i've noticed in the past both with single node and multinode jobs | 15:13 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: obviously | 15:13 |
| portdirect | lamt: im wondering if just a subset makes sense? | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | I would ofc vote (pun intended) to make SUSE voting on rocky :D | 15:14 |
| portdirect | possibly gate on the default images, and the current 'supported' openstack releases? | 15:14 |
| lamt | I don't recall any major failure - most of the issues I remember is with supporting various distribution like fedora and centos - sometimes the package repo change and things break | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: or we can just slowly advance, and report on the progress in this meeting? | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | "this week we enabled x as voting, and things seems to be still fine" | 15:15 |
| jsuchome | what is slowly advancing? | 15:15 |
| portdirect | im more worried about srwilkers concern | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | "next week we're gonna add x" | 15:15 |
| portdirect | in that if we have too many gates - then murphy will hit us hard | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | that's happening in every project | 15:15 |
| portdirect | its pretty common atm to see one check fail each time | 15:15 |
| portdirect | and the distrobution of that is fairly even :( | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | is the test flaky ? | 15:16 |
| portdirect | i think mostly infra | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | so maybe we should start on improving reliability, by listing the causes of the rechecks? | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | it's not just the tests -- at times, its the initial chart deployments that fail | 15:16 |
| portdirect | running openstack in k8s, in a 8gb ram, 4vcpu vm with horrible i/o is fun | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | ^ | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: on that note, reliability is for everyone, gates or not | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: I dont think i stated otherwise | 15:17 |
| portdirect | the horrible i/o is the reall killer | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I know, I am just pointing out the fact it's important to be reliable at all times :D | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: as am i. however, we're limited by the infrastructure we're provided, as portdirect pointed out | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | unfortunately, thats outside of our control | 15:17 |
| portdirect | how about 'walking back down' | 15:18 |
| portdirect | ie what evrardjp suggested, but starting with stein | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: what do you mean? | 15:18 |
| portdirect | and then adding rocky | 15:18 |
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| portdirect | and so on progessivly, untill we feel we've reached the nadir | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | I think the concern is not about the way up or down, it's the fact we can trust gate reliability | 15:18 |
| portdirect | yup | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | (and the fact that we have ppl monitoring those jobs) | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | that's a valid point and i'm glad you brought it up | 15:20 |
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| portdirect | ok - sounds like we dont think we are ready to add new gates atm? | 15:22 |
| portdirect | evrardjp / srwilkers ? | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | I know I won't check periodics for things outside suse/rocky. When I will do a PR, I will check if things work, and try to fix things if not working, whether SUSE or not. But I can't promise more. | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | I prefer not promising and over perform than the other way around. :p | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | if a change is made, it should ideally be vetted against all jobs we've decided to promote to gates or periodics | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | quite frankly, i find it frustrating that there's not much concern outside of myself for making sure the periodic jobs run successfully | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | could you clarify srwilkers? | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I understand, and feel your pain. | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | I am sorry there aren't more eyes on this. | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | you know you can ping ppl if necessary too, right? :p | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I let the decision to ppl monitoring said jobs, and to your authority | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | I leave the decision to* | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | or whatever it is in english | 15:25 |
| portdirect | ok - lets revisit this once we have some stats on where we see failures currently | 15:26 |
| portdirect | and untill then leave the voting jobs as they are. | 15:26 |
| portdirect | #topic Backup/restore Enhancements for MariaDB and Postgresql Databases | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backup/restore Enhancements for MariaDB and Postgresql Databases (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:27 | |
| evrardjp | portdirect: sounds good | 15:27 |
| portdirect | cliff is this you? | 15:27 |
| cliffparsons | portdirect: yes | 15:28 |
| cliffparsons | Hello everyone, good morning! | 15:28 |
| cliffparsons | I wanted to make everyone aware of the pending backup/restore enhancements for MariaDB and Postgresql. | 15:28 |
| cliffparsons | The patchsets that introduce these enhancements: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/655231/ and https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661853/ | 15:28 |
| cliffparsons | The Postgresql and MariaDB releases already have automatic backup and restore capability from a local PVC or host path volume. | 15:29 |
| cliffparsons | The two patchsets above are enhancing it so that the databases can be backed up to a remote platform via Swift API; | 15:29 |
| cliffparsons | in our case we have chosen Ceph RGW, which will be running in a different cluster. But to test it in the OSH gate environment, we | 15:29 |
| cliffparsons | use the ceph rgw in the same cluster. The keystone dependency is required to create a keystone user to use the Swift API. | 15:29 |
| cliffparsons | So I was wondering if anyone has seen these patchsets, and if so, are there any concerns? | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | taking a peek real quick | 15:30 |
| portdirect | i'll need to look properly at: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/655231/56/tools/deployment/backup-restore/backup-restore-tests.sh | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661853/62/helm-toolkit/templates/manifests/_job-ks-user.yaml.tpl seems like a sane change, but maybe should have been a separate change along with defaults for these into the jobs that consume that template | 15:32 |
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| cliffparsons | srwilkers: I can split out the job definition if that makes more sense | 15:33 |
| cliffparsons | just wanted to show that it's tested | 15:33 |
| portdirect | cliffparsons: that would be great - it would probably also make sense to add this to all the jobs? | 15:33 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: i think it does -- at the moment, we've got some jobs that support these overrides, and others that dont | 15:34 |
| cliffparsons | portdirect: assuming you're referring to enabling the backups and testing even on the voting gates? | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | would be nice to make that standard | 15:34 |
| portdirect | cliffparsons: i was refering to the params added here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661853/62/helm-toolkit/templates/manifests/_job-ks-user.yaml.tpl | 15:34 |
| portdirect | would be a great addition to all jobs | 15:35 |
| cliffparsons | oh | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | also, wondering if it makes sense to just add testing this functionality to the openstack-support job we already have | 15:35 |
| portdirect | also i wonder if we should make the default to retry 'indefinately' | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | instead of creating an entirely new job for testing backup functionality | 15:35 |
| portdirect | i think that makes sense | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: that default would make me happy honestly | 15:35 |
| cliffparsons | srwilkers: originally started doing that but was a little unsure if we wanted to do that | 15:36 |
| lamt | ++ | 15:36 |
| cliffparsons | portdirect: thanks for the suggestion, I'll work on that | 15:36 |
| srwilkers | for a start, it would make debugging chart job failures in our zuul jobs easier | 15:36 |
| cliffparsons | srwilkers: agree | 15:36 |
| cliffparsons | Any other concerns or comments? | 15:37 |
| portdirect | none atm - thanks cliffparsons for taking this on | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | cliffparsons: nope | 15:37 |
| cliffparsons | portdirect: Thanks for the floor | 15:37 |
| portdirect | #topic OVS-DPDK CI needs KVM support in nodepool VM and DPDK support of the virtual NIC in VM | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVS-DPDK CI needs KVM support in nodepool VM and DPDK support of the virtual NIC in VM (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:38 | |
| cheng1 | this is mine | 15:38 |
| portdirect | cheng1: floor is yours | 15:38 |
| cheng1 | I am working on ovs-dpdk CI job | 15:38 |
| cheng1 | As I can see we have two kinds of VMs in openstack CI | 15:39 |
| cheng1 | allocated from nodepool | 15:39 |
| cheng1 | #1. Has two interfaces, one with a public ip and the other with a private ip. They don't have pci address. KVM is not supported in the VM | 15:39 |
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| cheng1 | #2. With only one interface which has pci address. KVM is supported in the VM | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | ah | 15:40 |
| cheng1 | For ovs-dpdk test, we need kvm support and the NIC should have pci address | 15:40 |
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| cheng1 | Not sure if anyone here is similar with openstack CI VMs | 15:41 |
| cheng1 | anyway to customize the VM | 15:41 |
| cheng1 | ? | 15:41 |
| portdirect | ok so we need to run this in #2? | 15:41 |
| portdirect | or do neither of the profiles provide what we need? | 15:42 |
| cheng1 | #2 is good except it has only 1 NIC | 15:42 |
| cheng1 | which has a public ip | 15:43 |
| portdirect | ok - lets see what we can do | 15:43 |
| cheng1 | thanks portdirect | 15:43 |
| portdirect | following this meeting do you have time to join #openstack-infra, and we can ask them there? | 15:43 |
| cheng1 | let me check the meeting time first. It's already 11:44 PM | 15:44 |
| portdirect | ok - that makes sense! | 15:44 |
| portdirect | I'll ping them while we discuss the next topic and see if we can circle back here | 15:44 |
| portdirect | ok to move on for now? | 15:44 |
| cheng1 | sure, portdirect thanks | 15:44 |
| portdirect | #topic How to make metadata update/create/delete available on Horizon? | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How to make metadata update/create/delete available on Horizon? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:44 | |
| zhipeng[m] | y | 15:45 |
| zhipeng[m] | Anyone can help on this question? | 15:46 |
| portdirect | not off the top of my head | 15:46 |
| * zhipeng[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JWUOrYLfNTMegzKgndZRZXzC > | 15:46 | |
| portdirect | can you provide the config that you'd be looking to apply at the pod end | 15:46 |
| portdirect | and we can then work out how to get that into inputs for the chart | 15:47 |
| portdirect | or make any required changes | 15:47 |
| zhipeng[m] | ok | 15:48 |
| lamt | I can help with that if you can provide the configuration you have in mind | 15:48 |
| zhipeng[m] | overides for horizon? | 15:49 |
| cheng1 | Do you have the same issue with other interface more than horizon? zhipeng[m] | 15:49 |
| cheng1 | like openstack cmdline | 15:50 |
| zhipeng[m] | not sure about it | 15:50 |
| srwilkers | zhipeng[m]: i think the ask here from portdirect and lamt is to provide them the required configuration for enabling those operations on metadata through horizon, so that they can work to get that functionality into the horizon chart if it's missing | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | as i'm not entirely sure what configurations required to make that happen either | 15:51 |
| zhipeng[m] | @lamt, which config you want to check? | 15:52 |
| portdirect | though here we need to bottom out cheng1's question as well | 15:52 |
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| cheng1 | Then you can't make sure the problem is on horizon or nova itself | 15:52 |
| portdirect | if its not just horizon, then is a policy.json issue somewhere else | 15:52 |
| portdirect | and right now - our policy.jsons in the charts are default ocata era ones | 15:53 |
| lamt | ++, want to make sure the problem is just with horizon and not with nova | 15:53 |
| portdirect | so that may well be it for starlinx | 15:53 |
| zhipeng[m] | OK, I will check further, thanks! | 15:53 |
| lamt | does starlingX use ocata as well? | 15:53 |
| zhipeng[m] | no | 15:53 |
| cheng1 | stein I think | 15:54 |
| zhipeng[m] | we switch to stein now | 15:54 |
| lamt | zhipeng[m]: if you have questions, feel free to ping folks in the #openstack-helm channel | 15:54 |
| lamt | ah | 15:54 |
| zhipeng[m] | thanks lamt! will ping you later:) | 15:54 |
| portdirect | #topic In cinder pod, the default type is missing. Is it a helm chart issue? | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In cinder pod, the default type is missing. Is it a helm chart issue? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:55 | |
| portdirect | zhipeng[m] think this is you? | 15:55 |
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| portdirect | ok - lets discuss this further in the channel | 15:56 |
| portdirect | #topic DPDK checks revisited | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DPDK checks revisited (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:57 | |
| zhipeng[m] | y | 15:58 |
| portdirect | ok - I reached out to -infra and both fungi and clarkb were very helpful | 15:58 |
| portdirect | unfortaulty we cannot select which provider we use in nodepool | 15:58 |
| fungi | helpful as we can be anyway | 15:58 |
| portdirect | and if we could, there is no gtee that the prfile of the vms would be the same | 15:58 |
| portdirect | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/testing.html | 15:58 |
| portdirect | ^ a great ref here | 15:59 |
| cheng1 | If that, we can test very limited cases for ovs-dpdk feature | 15:59 |
| portdirect | cheng1: that would be a great start | 15:59 |
| fungi | the short answer is that the environment we provide is targeted at testing software in isolation, it's not really geared toward testing features of the environment itself | 15:59 |
| fungi | so jobs should avoid depending on test nodes having a specific number of network interfaces, hypervisor, processor flags, et cetera | 16:00 |
| portdirect | fungi: thats fair - and we love what we can get out of -infra atm :D | 16:00 |
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| portdirect | ok - we out of time | 16:03 |
| portdirect | thanks for coming peeps | 16:03 |
| portdirect | see you in #openstack-helm | 16:03 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 23 16:03:21 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-07-23-15.01.html | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-07-23-15.01.txt | 16:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-07-23-15.01.log.html | 16:03 |
| zhipeng[m] | see you , thanks! | 16:03 |
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