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| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 15:00:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| portdirect | lets give it a few mins for people to arrive | 15:00 |
| portdirect | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-06-25 | 15:00 |
| portdirect | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:00 |
| dwalt | o/ | 15:00 |
| georgk | hi | 15:00 |
| howell | o/ | 15:02 |
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| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:03 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 15:03 |
| portdirect | ok lets begin :D | 15:04 |
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| portdirect | 1st its great to be back, the last couple of weeks have been hectic - so I'd really like to thank srwilkers and mattmceuen for holding the fort while i was away | 15:05 |
| portdirect | #topic Release docs progress | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release docs progress (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| portdirect | I really owe you all an update on this | 15:05 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:05 |
| portdirect | I've been working through it at a technical level, based on the conversations and notes we have taken at the various ptgs | 15:06 |
| portdirect | of which one of the primary points i have been looking for is where osh 'breaks' | 15:06 |
| portdirect | in that we need to make a change beyond overrides to support a particular version of openstack | 15:07 |
| portdirect | i suspect this may be it: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/666150/ | 15:07 |
| portdirect | though once we have a definative, it will be much easier to articulate the points around our proposed high level semver like versioning | 15:08 |
| portdirect | and how a site would flow through both versions of osh, and versions of openstack releases | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | not really sure to understand this | 15:09 |
| portdirect | which aspect evrardjp ? | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | I understand all the words separately, not together :) | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | Do you mean you will not come up with a release versionning plan until 66150 is resolved? | 15:11 |
| portdirect | ah - no | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | Or do you mean that the helm charts not branched per release is problematic? | 15:11 |
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| evrardjp | Because this patch doesn't introduce extra conditionals | 15:12 |
| portdirect | i think it provides a great example of the sort of thing our release versioning needs to solve for | 15:12 |
| itxaka | o/ | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I would say "yes, I agree, that's our project' scope to deal with upgrades of helm charts to deal with new openstack changes" | 15:13 |
| portdirect | eg - to avoid a rats nest of confditionals - we may want to say, when openstack uses this version of oslo middleware (as an example) - we want to increment the Y version of osh, deprecating support for old versions of openstack etc | 15:13 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: i think the spec will make it clearer when articulated | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | don't forget it's not only about versions of dependencies :) | 15:14 |
| portdirect | the point you raise is exactly what we need to cover with the stament `how a site would flow through both versions of osh, and versions of openstack releases` | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | yes, documentations and/or specs are missing in that regard | 15:15 |
| cheng1 | +1 for spec | 15:15 |
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| portdirect | will be up soo for sure | 15:15 |
| portdirect | soon | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | k | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | the earlier it is up, the more time we have to discuss about ironing the details all together | 15:16 |
| portdirect | another thing thats also been done to support this effort, is validation of openstack releases between ocata and rocky | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | and I am told that devil is in the details | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | :p | 15:16 |
| portdirect | pike came in here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/666936/ | 15:16 |
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| portdirect | and queens just needs a few things to tidy it up: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/667205/ | 15:17 |
| portdirect | i hope to add rocky, and stein today | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | to clarify state, will the current jobs be renamed to ocata? | 15:18 |
| portdirect | yes | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | good | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: we don't build stein images yet | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | afaik | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | but we could very easily | 15:19 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:19 |
| portdirect | if we ok to move on, i think this brings us neatly into the reworked values overrides for the gates/local dev? | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | k | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | sounds a logical next convo | 15:20 |
| portdirect | #topic Simpler overrides | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Simpler overrides (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:20 | |
| itxaka | very cool, great to see it moving fast now portdirect! | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | I still have some questions on the etherpad, might be worth explaining there | 15:20 |
| portdirect | so the gate over-rides functionality we had was a great leap forward for us | 15:20 |
| portdirect | in that it opened the door to testing multiple variations of config over-rides in the gates | 15:21 |
| portdirect | though suffered from a few issues | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | overlaps? | 15:21 |
| portdirect | mainly that 1) it applied the over-rides ubiquitously to all charts (eg neurton over-rides applied to mariadb, or more worryingly nova), 2) was very hard to use locally for development | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | agreed. That was done in a rush because you had something to rework the gates | 15:22 |
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| evrardjp | :p | 15:23 |
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| portdirect | so we worked on a bash script to allow the values args to be generated inline for chart deployment/upgrade | 15:23 |
| portdirect | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/666958/ | 15:23 |
| portdirect | which is more easily portable, and provides clearer feedback as to what is being applied to charts, and how people can extend that | 15:24 |
| portdirect | eg: http://logs.openstack.org/58/666958/25/check/openstack-helm-compute-kit-rocky-opensuse_15/b23ee1e/ara-report/result/1c47ceaa-6f27-4a36-b6e5-d1f1cc67c7c9/ | 15:24 |
| portdirect | the hardest thing here was making it work for both BSD and GNU utils ;D | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | I welcome the change generally, but I know this will break some of our toolings | 15:25 |
| portdirect | i validated against all our gates, i hope nothing breaks - what did i miss? | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | I would have preferred to know that shell arguments would have changed | 15:26 |
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| evrardjp | but it's fine, we never claimed it was a stable interface | 15:26 |
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| evrardjp | it's just a surprise for me, I am just back from holidays :) | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | anyway, positive change overall, thanks for the work! :) | 15:27 |
| portdirect | one q i have, is that i wonder if we should remove the default values for images from the charts? | 15:28 |
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| portdirect | my logic here is thus: | 15:28 |
| portdirect | currently we have no way of validating/enforging that a particular version of openstack, or any partiuclar distro is used for deployment | 15:29 |
| portdirect | and this would allow us to be sure of that | 15:29 |
| portdirect | but comes with a massive downside, in that it would mean that our charts would not work 'out of the box' | 15:29 |
| portdirect | but would need at least one set of over-rides applied to it | 15:29 |
| portdirect | just a thought, but a conversation i think thats worth having | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | I am not fond of that approach, because it will cause so many questions | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | and also because the conversation above with releasing versions. | 15:31 |
| portdirect | im not either :( the other thought that occured was for us to 'strip' these keys/branches out in our gates which would achive a similar effect | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | I am not really sure to understand the problem | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | you're afraid that some of the overrides wouldn't be applied? | 15:32 |
| portdirect | more - what if we miss one | 15:32 |
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| portdirect | eg, forget to put an opensuse image in for say the keystone db sync job | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | it kinda links me to my next steps question :) | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | I thought it would be nice to remove all overrides from the shell scripts to bring them into each charts | 15:33 |
| portdirect | currently we can only validate this by doing things like looking at the outpur here: http://logs.openstack.org/93/666193/2/check/openstack-helm-glance-rocky-opensuse_15/6e08fe3/primary/system/docker-images.txt | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | if we do so, we can have multiple files applied, and the first one could be a "gate wiper" to ensure all images are pointing to null. But that's most likely a burden to maintain | 15:34 |
| portdirect | if its just `images: null` would be simple :D | 15:35 |
| jayahn | i totally recognize probelm pete is saying | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: not really | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | because when a new image is added or removed, you have to think about those overrides | 15:35 |
| portdirect | yes! we would need to - and currently we dont | 15:35 |
| portdirect | thats the exact point | 15:35 |
| portdirect | the same is true of passwords etc | 15:36 |
| portdirect | but lets stick to images for now | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I think all of this can be solved by the right documentation | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | and good CI-ing | 15:37 |
| portdirect | it certainly helps - but it doesnt ensure we are validating the right stuff | 15:37 |
| jayahn | can we have this discussion over mailing list as well? | 15:37 |
| portdirect | jayahn: i think that would be great | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | I think it's best approach to discuss it over ML | 15:38 |
| itxaka | +1 for those of as slow as heck today which are not understanding the issue well enough :) | 15:38 |
| jayahn | we have very similar problem internally with a bit different use cases. | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | it impacts how OSH is consumed | 15:38 |
| jayahn | i really want to bring this discussion to my team | 15:38 |
| portdirect | jayahn: i suspect you are not the only ones ;) | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: correct ;) | 15:38 |
| portdirect | one of the pain points that ATT has consuming OSH internally is that 'default' images leak through | 15:39 |
| jayahn | we had to make "diff function" to automatically find out if there is new images, or if we are missing any "necessary" override. | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | but I think you are pointing to multiple problems, and I think we would all benefit from splitting that into smaller chunks | 15:39 |
| portdirect | they get through development, and then fail ci | 15:40 |
| portdirect | (obviously) | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | it seems we all had that then | 15:40 |
| portdirect | nice - lets take this to the ml to continue | 15:40 |
| portdirect | one other thing i added in support of the above was getting the helm release values saved in ci: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/667178/ | 15:41 |
| portdirect | so we can clearly see 'helms' view of the world: http://logs.openstack.org/78/667178/2/check/openstack-helm-infra-openstack-support/da1cdba/primary/helm/values/ | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | this is nice | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | very nice | 15:43 |
| jayahn | +1 on this! | 15:43 |
| portdirect | ok to move on? | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | I will just drop this here... | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | Maybe everything would be simpler if we used helmfile. | 15:44 |
| * evrardjp hides | 15:44 | |
| portdirect | or armada... | 15:45 |
| portdirect | anyway | 15:45 |
| portdirect | #topic meeting-time | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting-time (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:45 | |
| mattmceuen | ah this is me | 15:45 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: floor is yours | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osh-meeting-vote-2019 | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | Just a reminder that we have an open vote for the time for this meeting | 15:46 |
| mattmceuen | We're planning to close voting EOD today - if you have an opinion, please follow the instructions in the etherpad! | 15:46 |
| jayahn | can we extend this vote for 1~2 days? I wrote reason in etherpad | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: I don't see many core reviewers opinion there. | 15:47 |
| mattmceuen | Agree, need more opinions :) | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | Not a great message :p | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | I think the message is that the core team is open to anything that facilitates the community! | 15:48 |
| jayahn | i was confused with airship voting since mail sent out to mailing list got a wrong etherpad link. :) | 15:48 |
| * mattmceuen core team: prove me wrong | 15:48 | |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: wow that's awesome. | 15:48 |
| portdirect | I've intentinally not voted - as I'll move my life around whatever the community decides | 15:48 |
| mattmceuen | jayahn: sorry I have lost the etherpad, sigh | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | can you paste the reason in here | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: this is a recipe for burnout :) | 15:49 |
| mattmceuen | and I'll defer to portdirect on the timing decision | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | :( | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | one touch wrong and completely changed the meaning of my sentence! | 15:49 |
| jayahn | there were two mails asking for vote; one for airship, one for osh | 15:49 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: i never sleep | 15:49 |
| jayahn | osh voting mail has etherpad link pointing to airship voting etherpad | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | oh dear | 15:50 |
| jayahn | that got me confused, i thought i did vote | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | sorry about that | 15:50 |
| mattmceuen | since we need to make sure we get everyone's vote anyway, you ok with extending a couple days portdirect? | 15:50 |
| jayahn | and.. that was also my not-carefully-read mail problem | 15:50 |
| portdirect | works for me mattmceuen | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | jayahn: pay attention, this channel is logged :) | 15:51 |
| jayahn | ah.. yeap | 15:51 |
| jayahn | ;)... | 15:51 |
| portdirect | #action extend vote one week for meeting times | 15:51 |
| * jayahn now totally understand why my company sweep out my email every month. | 15:52 | |
| mattmceuen | well that means I have six and a half days to vote! | 15:52 |
| portdirect | jayahn: please get your team to vote as well | 15:52 |
| jayahn | I will | 15:52 |
| jayahn | and samsung guys as well | 15:52 |
| portdirect | nice - thx | 15:52 |
| mattmceuen | that's all from me portdirect | 15:53 |
| portdirect | #topic auto_bridge_add bond port support | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "auto_bridge_add bond port support (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:53 | |
| portdirect | cheng1: floor is yours | 15:53 |
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| cheng1 | in neutron chart, we can add nic to ovs bridge according to auto_bridge_add. but we don't support adding bond to ovs bridge yet. | 15:54 |
| cheng1 | I would like to add bond support | 15:54 |
| cheng1 | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2005946 | 15:54 |
| portdirect | sounds good to me :D | 15:54 |
| portdirect | i think a ps, implementing that would be awesome | 15:55 |
| cheng1 | portdirect, thanks. I will create patch for this | 15:55 |
| portdirect | nice - ok to move on? | 15:55 |
| cheng1 | another thing about ovs | 15:56 |
| cheng1 | the ovs image patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665310/ | 15:56 |
| cheng1 | several ovs-dpdk feature patches depends on this patch | 15:56 |
| cheng1 | as they need the dpdk-enabled ovs image. | 15:56 |
| cheng1 | Would like to get more reviews from the cores. | 15:57 |
| portdirect | ok - so there was a q for georgk about supportability of distro packages, but if hes good with it - then lgtm | 15:57 |
| georgk | rihabb is trying to build bionic based images at the moment | 15:57 |
| georgk | let's see how that works out | 15:58 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: you ok with waiting untill next week, or want to take your two topics to the channel? | 15:58 |
| georgk | the bionic upgrade is "just" a side track of the OVS activity | 15:59 |
| georgk | :-) | 15:59 |
| portdirect | georgk: sounds good, look forward to seeing how this works out | 15:59 |
| portdirect | ok - we are out of time, I'll put your items at the top of the etherpad for next week evrardjp | 15:59 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: it's feedback | 15:59 |
| evrardjp | let's move to channel | 16:00 |
| portdirect | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | thanks! | 16:00 |
| georgk | thanks | 16:00 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting openstack-helm | 16:00 |
| cheng1 | thanks | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 16:00:11 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-25-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-25-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-25-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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