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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 16 14:04:30 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | ok, I was late enough so lets get started ;) | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| jokke_ | so first recap of PTG plans | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Glance-Train-PTG-planning | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | we took the cinder way and instead of having separate etherpads for each topic recorded the notes under the topic on that one etherpad | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | I have to say I like it ... much easier to navigate than 20 tabs of spread etherpads | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | yes, there is something to be said for that | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | shoot | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | looks like abhishekk had to restart his system due to connectivity problems, we should probably wait a few min | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:08 |
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| jokke_ | I have filtered out all joins, parts and nick changes to keep my irc clean so if he dropped I missed it | 14:10 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | He's back! :) | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | hooray! | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | apology, had some network issues | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | np | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | so rosmaita you don't like having everything in one Etherpad? | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | no, it's fine | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | We've also done by day instead of by topic. Less etherpads, but still not a lot all in one if there ends up being a lot of notes. | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | it's like everything ... occasionally there's probably a topic worth having on its own, but in general this is a good way to do it | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | yeah, I'd love to have etherpad with permalinks so you could have TOC there | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | that's called a wiki | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | :P | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | :D | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | ok, shall we move on? | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Not sure you want to go through the effort, but Jay has been doing nice cleaned up recaps here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder#PTG_and_Summit_Meeting_Summaries | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | thanks smcginnis will have a look | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | I've found it useful with being able to find the bolded "Action (smcginnis)" parts. | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | Slightly higher chance I will actually do something I signed up for. ;) | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | cool :D | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | Another thing I wanted to highlight is the Image Encryption weekly meeting. Noticed you guys had put your input into the doodle already | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005861.html | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | for anyone who missed the discussion in the ML | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | by the looks of it I finally got my filters fixed and I seem to be able to keep somewhat track whats going on again | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 14:18 |
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| jokke_ | #topic release updates/periodic jobs | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates/periodic jobs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:18 | |
| abhishekk | that would be me | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | so we are in R-22 week | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | we have first milestone release in week Jun 03 - Jun 07 which is two weeks away | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | wow that is coming up fast | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | the target is to make multi-store stable | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | we are on track at the moment | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | ** Need timely reviews | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | ping me directly for reviews | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | cool, thanks | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | Regarding periodic jobs we have only one failure in last three weeks | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | unfortunately that is time out due to parser error | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | curse you, subparser! | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | indeed, but one failure in 3 weeks is great news | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | In my free time, I am planning to look whether we can get rid of deprecation warnings | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | we're really getting there from multiple failures a week to failure in multiple weeks :D | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | (One thing in my mind is comment out mult-store functional and unit tests and add recheck multiple times) | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | some how I am convinced that timeout might be because of we are loading http server for 3-4 tests which is might failing | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | hmm-m, why is that failing? | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | Might be socket timeout (not conclusive evidence in the logs though) | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | But to make sure, I will run some tests | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | that's it from my side, we are good to move ahead unless someone has something to say :D | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | sounds good to me | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | thanks for keeping track on those and thinking of ideas where it might be coming from | 14:26 |
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| jokke_ | #topic QA wants to split tempest jobs | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QA wants to split tempest jobs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:27 | |
| rosmaita | just an awareness thing | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | the email asked "Thoughts on this approach?" | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005871.html | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i didn't have any, but maybe someone else will | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | So I did reply to the chain | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i missed that | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | i saw it | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | I have little problem understanding the proposed split, but maybe I get some response and light to it | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | I just hope they take at least my wish into account and we start by splitting the jobs up and running the split jobs in check instead of check and gate for the beginning | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | but yeah as long as we don't have QA here to discuss about it with us, thanks rosmaita for bringing this up | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | #topic requests u-c bump or not | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "requests u-c bump or not (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:31 | |
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| jokke_ | another good heads up from rosmaita | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | yeah, this may amount to nothing | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005956.html | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | we might want to look what the failure is and if there is easy way to work around it | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | I'm very very happy about the discussion and the direction it's taking on ML | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, i am not sure what's up with stable/queens | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | this really isn't the right thing to do with u-c but it was nice to get the heads up and see if work is needed for updating the vulnerable package | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | me neither, haven't had time to look into why it breaks yet | 14:33 |
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| smcginnis | In the requirements meeting yesterday it was decided any backports of those will be held until someone writes up a decent plan on how things should be handled if we actually do want to keep maintaining u-c for these. | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | good to know | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: great | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:34 |
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| jokke_ | smcginnis: yeah updating u-c would send wrong message that we're actually keeping track of CVEs for all of our dependencies and all their supported versions | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | happy to hear no-one signed the community up for it but rather we keep the expectations realistic | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that's the big concern. | 14:35 |
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| jokke_ | ok, moving on | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | #topic multi-store for locations API | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "multi-store for locations API (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:36 | |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: go go go! | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:36 |
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| abhishekk | Me and jokke_ just had 30 minutes discussion over it just before the meeting | 14:37 |
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| abhishekk | We have decided to have a method in each store which will return the prefix of url to match with the location url | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | to decide the actual store for that location | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | so to give a little meat around the bones on this, the problem is that lazy update of locations table with the store ID | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | I will work on PoC and jokke_ will help me in case I have any doubts :D | 14:39 |
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| jokke_ | we need a way to determine which store given location actually belongs to and the current store map does not directly give that to us | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i have never liked the store map | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | neither do I, I will definitely work on refactor the same in next cycle | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | ok, will be interesting to see what you come up with | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: why and better ideas to handle it? It's still experimental so speak up now when we still can fix it if there is better ways to handle them | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | well, the map is ambiguous when you have stores using the same scheme | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | it seemed to be designed on the assumption that that would never happen | 14:41 |
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| abhishekk | right | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | I think abhishekk's original idea was not to care and just crawl through all stores of specific type until we can find the correct one | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | right, but if we have 1000 edge stores, that could be a problem | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | So this might be something to think about right _now_ and fix it before we move the design out of experimental and need to worry about the upgrade path to it | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | agreed | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | i don't have anything off the top of my head | 14:44 |
| davee_ | +1 | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yes, that's why I was reluctant about it from the beginning and have insted us to record the store ids with the location from the very beginning ;) | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i think the locations metadata was supposed to help with this | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | insisted | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | do we need to care about adding a store as a metadata to location api? | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yes, so that's why we're trying to figure out the recognition pattern now and include that into the store map, so we can update the locations metadata lazy when the image is accessed, so we have the possibly slow recognition process done only once, not every time | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | and can still avoid heavy migration job during upgrade | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | ok, that makes sense | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | and the edge sites will all be new, so won't require migration if we design this right | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | when we have the store id recorded to the location, we can then just request correct store object right away | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | Yeah | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | what will you use for store id? | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: indeed, any multi-store image will have that id and will just skip the recognition in the first place | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | i'm asking because we may want to have a store uuid that never changes, and a store name that can change | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so location has store id in the metadata so when the image is requested, we can take correct store id and correct store object to access the data, istead of walking through all of them | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | because you know that some operator will decide to rename the stores | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | right now the store_id does double duty | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | as name in the info/stores response | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | we don't have anything like store_uuid | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | yeah, that's why i'm mentioning it | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yup, and then they will get lovely slow access when we need to go through the recognition process again | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | but that will be sped up by having the map being able to provide the url prefix to match agains instead of walking through all stores, trying to access the image and grabbing the first one | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | specially if that image is in 2300 different ceph stores and someone decides to rename them all | 14:50 |
| davee_ | what about having a default store id and override it as needed? | 14:51 |
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| abhishekk | we already have one default store, currently known as default_backend | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | So the logic needs to be something like "does it have store id, does that store id still exists in map, does that store has the image" if not any re-recognize the locations | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ++ | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | that way we get optimized access as long as no-one fucks it up and we get slow access eventually if it gets fucked up but we break nothing | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | as long as the store is in config | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | right | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | last 6 minutes to go | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | yeah, we can continue this on os-glance if needed | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | 'topic open discussion | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:55 | |
| jokke_ | the priorities topic was late addition | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | we have priorities outlined at the end of PTG planning etherpad | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | but just highligh the multi-store is our current priority. Sooner in the cycle we get that stable the longer we have opportunity to keep it testing and address any bugs | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | lets get that done, clean the deprecations from glance_store and get the 1.0.0 out of the door | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | after that we can focus on caching and all the new stuff we have outlined for the cycle | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | so like said any other improvement than having the url prefix available to make the store map better would be great to get out there under discussion asap | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | specially if it needs poking in the glance_store side | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | and time | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | sorry, got pulled into another meeting, will read through the scrollback | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 16 15:00:22 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-05-16-14.04.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-05-16-14.04.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-05-16-14.04.log.html | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:00 |
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