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| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 16 15:00:54 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| portdirect | lets give it a few mins for people to turn up | 15:01 |
| portdirect | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| portdirect | the agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-04-16 | 15:01 |
| itxaka | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | please feel free to add to it, and we'll kick off at 5 past | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
| jsuchome | o/ | 15:02 |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:04 |
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| megheisler | o/ | 15:04 |
| portdirect | ok - lets go | 15:05 |
| portdirect | #topic Zuul testing doesnt recover job logs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul testing doesnt recover job logs (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| portdirect | itxaka the floor is yours | 15:05 |
| itxaka | yay | 15:05 |
| itxaka | so testing tempest patcehs I found out unable to query the logs | 15:05 |
| itxaka | as the ttl for the job/pod expired, those logs were lost forever and ever and ever (not really) | 15:06 |
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| itxaka | was wondering if there was anything already in place to recover that kind of logs as they seem to be valuable | 15:06 |
| portdirect | we've hit this sort of thing before, esp with pods that crash | 15:07 |
| itxaka | but Im reading srwilkers response in there so it seems like there is not and we would need to deploy something ourselves for that | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:07 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: you had any thoughts here, as i know you've noodled on it before? | 15:07 |
| srwilkers | i think it requires two parts | 15:07 |
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| srwilkers | one: we really need to be able to override backofflimits for the jobs in our charts | 15:08 |
| prabhusesha_ | This is Prabhu | 15:08 |
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| srwilkers | some jobs have this, others don't | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | also, we need to revisit having our zuul postrun jobs include `kubectl logs -p foo -n bar` for cases where we've got pods that are in in a crashloop state or a state where they fail once or twice before being happy | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | as insight into both of those types of situations is valuable | 15:09 |
| itxaka | +1 | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | but without the ability to override the backofflimits for jobs, that doesn't do us much good if kubernetes just deletes the pod and doesn't have a pod for us to query for logs | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | previous or otherwise | 15:10 |
| portdirect | the above would be great as a 1st step | 15:10 |
| portdirect | i know we've also discussed 'lma-lite' here - would there be value in looking at that as well? | 15:11 |
| itxaka | isnt there a "time to keep" for jobs that we could leverage as well to leave those failed jobs around? | 15:11 |
| srwilkers | i think that's sane down the road, but also would require us to deploy the logging stack with every job | 15:11 |
| itxaka | ttlSecondsAfterFinished is what I was thinking about, but that is only for jobs, not sure how would it affect other resources | 15:13 |
| portdirect | would it perhaps make sense to also think about modifying the `wait-for-pods.sh` to detect a crash | 15:14 |
| portdirect | and then instantly fail if it does? | 15:14 |
| portdirect | as really we should have 0 crashes on deployment in the gates, and this would also allow us to capture the logs before they go away | 15:14 |
| jsuchome | is it crashing right after deployment? | 15:14 |
| itxaka | wouldn't that cause false positives when something goes temporary wrong (i.e. quay.io down for a few seconds) | 15:15 |
| portdirect | that would not cause a crashloop itxaka | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | i'd say we could add that and see if anything falls out initially | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | it seems like a sane idea | 15:16 |
| itxaka | really? Becuase I seen it locally, crashloopbackoff due not being able to pull the image | 15:16 |
| portdirect | that doesnt sound right itxaka | 15:17 |
| portdirect | you should see 'errimagepull' | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | errimagepull or imagepullbackoff are the only two i've seen related to pulling images -- if the pods in a crashloop, it's indicative of an issue after the entrypoints been executed | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | as far as im aware, anyway | 15:18 |
| itxaka | umm, I migth be wrong there | 15:18 |
| itxaka | unfortunately my env is in a pristine status so I cannot check now :) | 15:18 |
| portdirect | lets get a ps up for both - and we can see what the fallout is | 15:18 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: did you have one for `logs -p` already? I cant rememeber? | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | yeah -- it's pretty dusty at this point | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603229/4 | 15:19 |
| portdirect | the only change required there is just checking to see if there is infact a previous pod? | 15:20 |
| portdirect | or to jerry rig it, just allow failure of --previous? | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | i think if there's not, it just returns nothing | 15:21 |
| itxaka | nice! | 15:21 |
| jsuchome | this looks good actually | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | i lied | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | it'll require an update | 15:21 |
| portdirect | with that - lets see how things go | 15:22 |
| portdirect | ok to move on? | 15:22 |
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| srwilkers | although with us setting ignore_errors: true there, might not be an issue | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:22 |
| portdirect | ok | 15:23 |
| portdirect | #topic Split 140-compute-kit.sh into nova+neutron | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Split 140-compute-kit.sh into nova+neutron (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:23 | |
| itxaka | me again | 15:23 |
| itxaka | we were just wondering for the reasons of having both nova+neutron together in the same script | 15:23 |
| itxaka | and were wondering if there was a willingness to change it? | 15:23 |
| portdirect | totally - the reason for it ebing together is just historical | 15:24 |
| jsuchome | We actually found out that with this compute kit, wait-for-pods can timeout quite often | 15:24 |
| portdirect | as the two has circular deps | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | well, even if you split them out you may run into timeout issues | 15:24 |
| jsuchome | so the idea was not just split the deployment script, but also have 2 calls of wait-for-pods | 15:24 |
| portdirect | jsuchome: how many nodes are you attempting to deploy with these scripts? | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | jsuchome: that wouldnt work | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | as they have dependencies on each other | 15:24 |
| jsuchome | ah, that's what we feared | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | which is why we initially tied them to the same deployment script | 15:25 |
| itxaka | would it be possible to make them less dependant on each other? | 15:25 |
| portdirect | nova compute depends on neutron metadata... | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | itxaka: not that im aware of | 15:25 |
| jsuchome | not that many (3 actually), but we're running kubernetes on openstack already | 15:25 |
| itxaka | oh well | 15:25 |
| jsuchome | well, then just neutron comes first, right? | 15:25 |
| portdirect | no - as neutron metadata proxy, depends on.... nova-metadata-api... | 15:26 |
| portdirect | and the circle of joy continues :D | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | its the circcccclllee, the circle of life | 15:26 |
| jamesgu__ | would separate nova compute out of Nova chart help? | 15:26 |
| portdirect | at the cost of huge complexity | 15:27 |
| portdirect | why not just deploy, and then wait after? | 15:27 |
| itxaka | yeah seems like we just need to fix the probes to be faster at detecting readyness and increase our timeouts :) | 15:27 |
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| jsuchome | increase our timeouts, the universal solution for everything... | 15:28 |
| jamesgu__ | it works... :-) | 15:28 |
| itxaka | the simplest fix to a problem is just to wait a bit more for it to solve it by itself | 15:28 |
| itxaka | and RUN as far away as possible :P | 15:28 |
| portdirect | why is it timing out for you? image pulls or somthing else? | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | itxaka: you've got the right idea ;) | 15:29 |
| jsuchome | we did not do detailed profiling, it just happened several times | 15:29 |
| itxaka | I guess a bit of everything? image pulls, insufficient IO, maybe not enough workers, probes take a bit of time, etc... | 15:29 |
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| itxaka | its usually pretty close to the timeout so... | 15:30 |
| jsuchome | yeah, database backend also | 15:30 |
| itxaka | ok, seems good to me, not much from my side on this topic | 15:30 |
| portdirect | nova-db-sync is certainly a monster on a clean deployment | 15:30 |
| portdirect | ok to move on, and revisit this later if we need to? | 15:30 |
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| itxaka | +1 | 15:30 |
| jsuchome | +1 | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:31 |
| portdirect | #topic: Differences in deployment scripts (component vs multinode) | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Differences in deployment scripts (component vs multinode) (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:31 | |
| itxaka | omg, itxaka again? shut up already | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | itxaka: XD | 15:31 |
| itxaka | tbh I dont remember why I wrote this down | 15:31 |
| itxaka | jsuchome, do you? | 15:31 |
| portdirect | lol - your bringing a good set of topics dude | 15:31 |
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| srwilkers | i mean, i think we're overdue for cleaning up our tools/deployment/foo | 15:31 |
| itxaka | consolidate ? | 15:31 |
| jsuchome | probably came out from that compute-kit discussion | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | because to be frank, it's getting messy. and part of that's my fault | 15:32 |
| portdirect | we probably could do with a re-think, we certainly need to split out the over-rides | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:32 |
| jsuchome | (overrides coming up next ... :-) ) | 15:32 |
| portdirect | but do the scripts that drive them need to be split, or could they just call the approprate over-rides dependant on an env var? | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | i think the latter is the more sane one there | 15:33 |
| portdirect | so we put habve things like ./tools/deployment/over-rides/[single|multi]/<service>.yaml | 15:33 |
| itxaka | that would be cool | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | ++ | 15:34 |
| portdirect | called by ./tools/deployment/scripts/<service>.sh ? | 15:34 |
| itxaka | will also make it much clearer what we are using where | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | not to get too far off track here, but i'd like to see something similar for the armada deployment foo too | 15:34 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: perhaps pegleg would help there? though lets keep this to the scripted deployment for now | 15:35 |
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| srwilkers | portdirect: sounds good | 15:36 |
| itxaka | Can someone write the armada/pegleg stuff in the minutes? I have no idea what they do so I cannot really explain it properly in there | 15:38 |
| itxaka | oh, I see portdirect is already on it, thanks! | 15:38 |
| itxaka | maybe @jamesgu__ can help on that, gotta have some knowledge on those tools :) | 15:38 |
| portdirect | ok - does someone want to give it a (and excuse the pun) bash at refactoring here? | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | if nobody else wants to, i can give it a go | 15:40 |
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| srwilkers | but might be a good opportunity for someone else to get more familiar with our jobs | 15:40 |
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| itxaka | mhhh I would like to but not sure if Im the best at bash thingies, if only evrardjp was here... | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | as that's where i've been living more often than not lately | 15:40 |
| itxaka | I can have a look at it, maybe bother srwilkers with patches and guidance | 15:41 |
| portdirect | srwilkers - lets work together on getting a poc up - and see if anyone wants to take it from there? | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | sounds good to me | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | either of those sounds good :) | 15:41 |
| jsuchome | I could take a look at it as well, bash is nice ;-) | 15:41 |
| portdirect | lol - eveyone wants in | 15:41 |
| itxaka | poc + me/jsuchome taking from there sounds good to me | 15:41 |
| itxaka | unless jsuchome wasnt to make the poc himself :P | 15:42 |
| srwilkers | nice :) | 15:42 |
| jsuchome | ah, no thanks, I'll leave it to the elders :-) | 15:42 |
| portdirect | lets go for the poc and itxaka/jsuchome if that works? | 15:42 |
| jsuchome | +1 | 15:42 |
| portdirect | jsuchome: just 'cause our minds are rotted, dont mean we are old ;P | 15:42 |
| itxaka | +1 | 15:42 |
| portdirect | ok - lets move on | 15:43 |
| portdirect | #topic Tungsten Fabric Review | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tungsten Fabric Review (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:43 | |
| itxaka | that not me, yay :P | 15:43 |
| portdirect | prabhusesha, the floor is yours :) | 15:43 |
| prabhusesha_ | Hi | 15:43 |
| prabhusesha_ | I want somebody to pick up the review and provide us set of comments | 15:43 |
| prabhusesha_ | I meant, first set of comments | 15:44 |
| portdirect | could you link to it? | 15:44 |
| prabhusesha_ | I'm continuing the work what madhukar was doing | 15:44 |
| prabhusesha_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622573/2 | 15:44 |
| portdirect | prabhusesha_: is fantasic to see this restarted | 15:45 |
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| prabhusesha_ | I want to get this thing merged soon. I need all of your support | 15:45 |
| prabhusesha_ | I'm also kind of new to helm | 15:46 |
| prabhusesha_ | but I'm picking up pretty fast | 15:46 |
| portdirect | are any specific images required for this? | 15:46 |
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| prabhusesha_ | you need neutron, heat & nova plugin images | 15:47 |
| prabhusesha_ | from TF | 15:47 |
| prabhusesha_ | I'm drafting a blueprint | 15:47 |
| portdirect | am i just missing them? as i dont see them here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622573/2/tools/overrides/backends/networking/tungstenfabric/nova-ocata.yaml | 15:47 |
| portdirect | also how do you deploy TF itself? | 15:47 |
| prabhusesha_ | there are TF specific charts | 15:48 |
| portdirect | are they public? | 15:48 |
| prabhusesha_ | currently it's private, work is happening in that front also | 15:49 |
| portdirect | ok - i think that will block the efforts here largly | 15:49 |
| portdirect | we can provide some high level feedback | 15:49 |
| portdirect | but without public, and open images | 15:49 |
| itxaka | would we need to build extra images with modifications to support this? | 15:49 |
| portdirect | as well as charts | 15:49 |
| prabhusesha_ | that will good | 15:49 |
| itxaka | maybe that falls under the loci meeting instead :) | 15:50 |
| portdirect | we cant do any more than that | 15:50 |
| prabhusesha_ | let me get my stuff in right place | 15:50 |
| portdirect | and i'd be uncomfortable mergeing, untill that is resolved | 15:50 |
| portdirect | sounds good prabhusesha_ | 15:50 |
| prabhusesha_ | I agree | 15:50 |
| portdirect | and as itxaka points out, it would be great to work with loci for image building | 15:50 |
| prabhusesha_ | high level comments will be helpful | 15:51 |
| prabhusesha_ | itxaka: I can get back to you on that | 15:51 |
| itxaka | +1 | 15:51 |
| portdirect | ok - lets move on | 15:51 |
| portdirect | #topic: Office-Hours | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Office-Hours (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:52 | |
| portdirect | so last week we decided to kick start the offic hours effort again | 15:52 |
| portdirect | initially these will be from 20:00-21:00UTC on Wednesdays in the openstack-helm channel | 15:52 |
| portdirect | the above time is simply as its when we can make sure that there is core-reviewer attendance | 15:53 |
| portdirect | but i know its rubbish for folks in the EU | 15:53 |
| portdirect | i hope we can change that as soon as we can get some coverage for that timezone :) | 15:54 |
| portdirect | thats all i got here really. ok to move on? | 15:54 |
| itxaka | +1 | 15:55 |
| portdirect | #topic: Add internal tenant id in conf | 15:55 |
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| LiangFang | hi | 15:55 |
| LiangFang | portdirect: thanks gave comments for my review | 15:55 |
| portdirect | LiangFang: yous ps looks great - I've got one comment i need to add in gerrit, but at that point lgtm | 15:55 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/647493/ | 15:56 |
| LiangFang | thanks, one thing is that my environment is broken, so I have not verified in my environment | 15:57 |
| LiangFang | I don't know if CI is strong enough | 15:57 |
| portdirect | looks ok in ci: http://logs.openstack.org/93/647493/7/check/openstack-helm-cinder/49e27c2/primary/pod-logs/openstack/cinder-create-internal-tenant-wkvrv/create-internal-tenant.txt.gz | 15:57 |
| LiangFang | but the patchset before 7 is verified in my environment | 15:58 |
| portdirect | thought we should also add '--or-show` in the user/project management job, as otherwise its just a single shot, and will fail on re-runs | 15:58 |
| LiangFang | ok | 15:58 |
| portdirect | ok - we about to run out of time, ok to wrap up? | 15:59 |
| portdirect | #topic reviews | 15:59 |
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| portdirect | as per-always there are some reviews that would realy apprecate some attention | 15:59 |
| portdirect | Reviews: | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/651491/ Add OpenSUSE Leap15 testing - adds directories with value overrides + one test job | 15:59 |
| portdirect | Should the job be voting from start? | 15:59 |
| portdirect | We plan to add more jobs as followups, but they could already be included as part of this one, if seen more appropriate | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/642067/ Allow more generic overrides for nova placement-api - same approach as with the patches already merged | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/644907/ Add an option to the health probe to test all pids - Fixes broken nova health probes for >= rocky | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/650933/ Add tempest suse image and zuul job | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/647493/ Add internal tenant id in conf (irc: LiangFang) | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622573/2 Tungsten Fabric plugin changes | 15:59 |
| LiangFang | 20:00-21:00 UTC seems is middle night in Asia:) | 16:00 |
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| portdirect | LiangFang: we need to improve there as well for sure | 16:00 |
| LiangFang | ok, thanks | 16:00 |
| portdirect | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| itxaka | o/ | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 16 16:00:49 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-04-16-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-04-16-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-04-16-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| jsuchome | ouch | 16:00 |
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