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| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 15:01:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:01 |
| evrardjp | \o | 15:01 |
| alanmeadows | o/ | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
| pgaxatte | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | lets give it a couple of mins for people to arrive | 15:01 |
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| itxaka | \o o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | the agenda for today is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-04-09 | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | please add to it :) | 15:01 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: your blue is... quite punchy :D | 15:02 |
| itxaka | I know, I dont know what to change it to so its easily discernible but doesnt make eyes bleed | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | =) | 15:03 |
| portdirect | it reminds me of word processing in displaywrite4 | 15:03 |
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| evrardjp | souvenirs! | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:04 |
| prabhusesha | Hi | 15:05 |
| portdirect | ok - lets go | 15:05 |
| portdirect | #topic Office hours | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Office hours (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| prabhusesha | This is Prabhu from Juniper | 15:05 |
| portdirect | so after last weeks meeting I did a straw poll amongst cores | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | I thought you were sending this publicly in the ML? | 15:06 |
| portdirect | and we would like to run office hours on wednesday each week from 20:00-21:00UTC | 15:06 |
| portdirect | as this is the time that would allow us to ensure that we have at least a couple of cores present every week | 15:06 |
| itxaka | is there no EU cores? seems a very late time for EUr people to ask questions :) | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: there are none | 15:07 |
| portdirect | and that was the critical thing we needed to ensure to give us a chance of giving real value to these sessions | 15:07 |
| portdirect | itxaka: at the moment only lost europeans - though it would be great to change that | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: that's correct, without cores, it's impossible to get mentored | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | Let's see if you have enough ppl to mentor. I am pretty sure jayahn will love this news :) | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | It's a good step forward, thanks portdirect for organising this! | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: we can still have jhesketh as our representative for questions :) | 15:09 |
| itxaka | :) | 15:09 |
| portdirect | ok - I'll send out a note to the ml after this and get the wiki updated | 15:09 |
| jayahn | I have been traveling, and someone mentioned my name. :) | 15:10 |
| jayahn | I am in Las Vegas for NAB show. Doing some exhibition. :) | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | I did -- Please don't hesitate to read the meeting log -- there is a proposal of office hours time. | 15:10 |
| jayahn | I will surely read through | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: thanks | 15:10 |
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| jayahn | portdirect: thanks as well. :) | 15:11 |
| portdirect | np - im hoping that we can get some real flow out of these | 15:11 |
| portdirect | so lets move on | 15:11 |
| portdirect | #topic Status of Tempest chart | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status of Tempest chart (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:11 | |
| itxaka | thats me! | 15:11 |
| portdirect | floors yours :) | 15:12 |
| itxaka | So looking yesterday at the tempest chart and trying to deploy I found out that it has some weird and missing default values which make it impossible to deploy | 15:12 |
| itxaka | i.e: wrong image (does not exists), default null values which are not really null and so on | 15:12 |
| itxaka | was wondering if we need more testing in there as its currently not possible to deploy tempest with the default values properly | 15:13 |
| itxaka | btw, sent some patches already for those things, but makes me wonders which others may be broken as well | 15:13 |
| portdirect | i think this really speaks to the gaps we have in our testing atm | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | we used to trigger an experimental job with the following: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/tools/deployment/multinode/900-tempest.sh | 15:14 |
| itxaka | which links with the next point whiich is basically the same but for spiceproxy :) | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | albeit, it's a bit dated at this point | 15:14 |
| portdirect | jayahn: i think you are currently using the tempest chart? | 15:14 |
| itxaka | Im not sure of what a solution could be, other than getting more people to use the tempest chart and report things :) | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: making this part of the jobs, and voting? | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | not voting | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | as currently it's not exercised at all | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | not immediately | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | I mean as a long term goal | 15:15 |
| itxaka | if it doesnt vote it will get ignored forever :D | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | also in my experience, running tempest as an experimental check previously would more often than not put a large amount of strain on the nodepool vms | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | if it's maintained, I don't see a reason to not make it voting | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | it needs a promotional period like all the other jobs we introduce | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I have noticed the impact when doing this in parallel, but running in serial is longer but with less impact. | 15:16 |
| srwilkers | where we can vet it and determine whether it's reliable or not | 15:16 |
| portdirect | i really think it would be great to make this a goal | 15:16 |
| portdirect | as tempest should be the de-facto way we validate the basic sanity of an osh deployed cloud | 15:17 |
| srwilkers | i dont disagree | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: totally -- it's not like we should drop a new job and say "hey, it's the new world order" | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | it's up to cores to +w anyway :p | 15:17 |
| itxaka | well, if you make it sound that cool, maybe we will | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: agreed | 15:17 |
| itxaka | s/will/should/g | 15:17 |
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| portdirect | whould anyone like to step up here? | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | tempest has multiple tests, we don't need to run everything. I think we could run only smoke tests | 15:18 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:18 |
| jsuchome | +1 for some tests | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I guess the first action point would be to fix things, and discuss it with jayahn? | 15:18 |
| jsuchome | smoke | 15:18 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: yes | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | tempest is set up to run smoke tests by default if i recall | 15:19 |
| itxaka | it is, srwilkers | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | if we get jayahn to review (as main user of said helm chart), we should be good to re-introduce a non voting job | 15:19 |
| itxaka | I can take that unless somebody really, really, *really* want it :) | 15:19 |
| itxaka | fix, test, add job | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: we should maybe whitelist until confidence, then move to more complete scenarios then | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | because there are lots of smoke tests in default test list | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: im fine with that. however, id also like to see more individuals take interest in maintaining the jobs we currently have. we've got a small subset of people actually looking at our periodic jobs and attempting to fix what's broken | 15:20 |
| portdirect | itxaka: i think from what jayahn just posted in openstack-helm, that would be great - and i'd add jaesang to reviews | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: that's a fair point. | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | but if those jobs are voting, people will have no choice than to fix things? :p | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | thats a lazy approach | 15:21 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: you have been doing pretty much all the work here - and really deserve thanks for that | 15:21 |
| itxaka | srwilkers, should we bring that up in the agenda to discuss? Im interested in that | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | the lazy approach IMO would be to make the jobs non voting or experimental when they start to fail... | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | but I agree it's always the problem when new jobs are introduced | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | its not even new jobs evrardjp | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | we've had failing voting jobs before, and my previous statement applies: it's a small set of people working to triage and fix them as soon as possible to get the pipes moving again | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | which is why im super skeptical about just jamming in new voting jobs, until that changes | 15:22 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: agreed | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | that's everyone's duty IMO. | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | you see something failing you fix it | 15:23 |
| portdirect | i think we should probably try and implement what we planned at the last ptg evrardjp | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | some people are just unaware of some of the issues though, and they don't monitor periodics | 15:23 |
| portdirect | but aware that we are all time poor there | 15:23 |
| * itxaka didnt even knew there were periodic jobs... | 15:23 | |
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| itxaka | did I drop or everyone went silent? | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | http://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fopenstack-helm | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | the scarier is here: | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | http://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fopenstack-helm&pipeline=periodic | 15:26 |
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| itxaka | should we...move onto the next point? | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | I would be fine with that | 15:27 |
| portdirect | #topic Status of Spiceproxy | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status of Spiceproxy (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:28 | |
| portdirect | itxaka: your up again :) | 15:28 |
| itxaka | same thing, different name | 15:28 |
| portdirect | here i think jayahn has a production clouding usuing this for vdi? | 15:29 |
| itxaka | spiceproxy was missing serviceaccounts, which leads me to think that there was no testing in there for it | 15:29 |
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| itxaka | damn jayahn has everything which is broken :P | 15:29 |
| portdirect | no - i think this is just the tip of the iceberg | 15:29 |
| portdirect | thanks for digging into it itxaka | 15:29 |
| itxaka | so same thing as with tempest, should we fix, test, add non-voting? | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | lgtm | 15:30 |
| portdirect | i think thats the prudent thing | 15:30 |
| portdirect | itxaka: you already added the svc account i think? | 15:30 |
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| itxaka | I could help there, unfortunately I have never used spiceproxy so Im not sure what the configs for it are | 15:30 |
| itxaka | portdirect, yep, I did | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | would do this in two different patches though (fixing and change testing) | 15:30 |
| portdirect | i could take that on if you like, i used to use spice a bit | 15:30 |
| itxaka | but it still didnt work for me due to permission errors, so Im wondering what else is missing in there | 15:30 |
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| evrardjp | (except if tempest testing of this is already present, which I doubt) | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | the spice must flow | 15:31 |
| itxaka | portdirect, that sounds good, I'll post in openstack-helm the exact error that I got then | 15:31 |
| portdirect | thx - I'll update the etherpad | 15:31 |
| portdirect | ok to move on? | 15:32 |
| itxaka | :+1 | 15:32 |
| portdirect | #topic status of image registry authentication | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status of image registry authentication (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:32 | |
| portdirect | not sure who added this? | 15:32 |
| pgaxatte | that would be me | 15:32 |
| pgaxatte | i'm looking into using a private registry to pull images | 15:32 |
| pgaxatte | and i need to use authentication | 15:32 |
| pgaxatte | stumbled upon angiewang's specs | 15:33 |
| portdirect | yeah - its a nice bit of work | 15:33 |
| pgaxatte | but it seems to need some work and i was wondering what was the status on it | 15:33 |
| portdirect | we should chase up with Angie, but since its been merged i dont think we have managed to make any progress | 15:33 |
| pgaxatte | i could not find any related patch in progress | 15:34 |
| portdirect | though the spec makes pretty clear the work that needs done, so i think anyone could pick it up | 15:34 |
| itxaka | wow that spec is pretty cool, the code is basically there :o | 15:34 |
| pgaxatte | i would gladly try it but i have very little experience with helm | 15:34 |
| angiewang | hi currently, the implementation for the support private registry with auth has not started yet. | 15:35 |
| itxaka | sounds like an opportunity for some mentoring no? | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: +1 | 15:36 |
| pgaxatte | that would be great | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: sorry to highjack the topic, but there is an onboarding session at the next summit for OSH, right? | 15:37 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: there is | 15:37 |
| pgaxatte | awesome | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | sadly those are not recorded, but the eventual slides can be re-used/shared. | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | pgaxatte: will you be there? | 15:37 |
| pgaxatte | evrardjp: yes | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | perfect. | 15:38 |
| portdirect | angiewang: do you have time to work on this atm? it would be great if we could get a refence to spread out across charts | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | angiewang: and if you could bring pgaxatte along the way that would be helpful to grow the community | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | (no pressure though!) | 15:39 |
| angiewang | do you mean pgaxatte will be implementing the changes in my spec and I will be helping with any issues | 15:40 |
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| evrardjp | I just mean there are opportunities to work together | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | for example, pgaxatte could learn by reviewing | 15:41 |
| portdirect | together we can spread the load | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | or the other way around pgaxatte could learn by doing and you would mentor in the reviews | 15:41 |
| pgaxatte | anyway i'm ok with it | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | or what portdirect said.. but basically communication is key :) | 15:42 |
| pgaxatte | let it be noted that i still have a lot of things to understand on openstack-helm and openstack-helm-infra | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | s/but// | 15:42 |
| portdirect | pgaxatte: dont worry - we all do :) | 15:43 |
| pgaxatte | especially on helm-toolkit | 15:43 |
| portdirect | are you working on the tungesten-fabric charts atm pgaxatte ? | 15:43 |
| angiewang | I have other tasks right now, I am not available to implement this at the moment(in the next month). I can help pgaxatte in reviews though. | 15:44 |
| pgaxatte | portdirect: no we're looking at core components and mistral at the moment | 15:44 |
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| pgaxatte | angiewang: help with the reviews would be great too | 15:45 |
| portdirect | ok - mistral falls well within that bucket of things that have regressed in tests since the last ptg - we should also work to restore that | 15:45 |
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| pgaxatte | portdirect: that's something we plan on working on too, we'll probably have the occasion to contribute back | 15:46 |
| angiewang | pgaxatte Yeah, I can help in reviews. | 15:46 |
| angiewang | I can also help with implementing a month later | 15:47 |
| angiewang | If it's not rush | 15:47 |
| portdirect | angiewang: will you be in denver at the end of the month? | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | I think the introductions are done now | 15:47 |
| pgaxatte | no problem we can bypass that for now in our roadmap | 15:47 |
| angiewang | portdirect, no | 15:48 |
| portdirect | pgaxatte: as a short term, you can add .dockercfg with the appropriate creds to the kubeletes home dir | 15:48 |
| portdirect | but lets see if we can get the ball rolling on implementing the correct approach | 15:48 |
| portdirect | angiewang: thats a shame, would have been great to have you out there | 15:48 |
| portdirect | ok to move on? | 15:49 |
| pgaxatte | ok for me | 15:49 |
| prabhusesha | Sorry to jump in. | 15:49 |
| prabhusesha | I'm Prabhu, first time to this mtg. | 15:49 |
| prabhusesha | Need some time at the end | 15:49 |
| portdirect | will do prabhusesha | 15:50 |
| prabhusesha | I didn't add my stuff to the agenda | 15:50 |
| portdirect | can you add that now? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-04-09 | 15:50 |
| prabhusesha | thanks1 | 15:50 |
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| portdirect | #topic reviews | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:50 | |
| portdirect | so - we have quite a few outstanding reviews this week that could do with some love | 15:50 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/647493/ Add internal tenant id in conf (irc: LiangFang) | 15:51 |
| portdirect | ^ would be great to get some more fb on this - would be really nice to have this feature | 15:52 |
| portdirect | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/651140/ WIP: Use real rpc methods to find out if the service is alive | 15:52 |
| portdirect | problem - maybe not enough read-only RPC calls? | 15:52 |
| portdirect | problem - RPC service versioning changes per objective and sometimes per release (versions could be tracked with release specific values overrides) | 15:52 |
| portdirect | jsuchome riases a good point here, and one we were painfully aware of when implementing the probes inititally | 15:52 |
| jsuchome | hi | 15:53 |
| portdirect | it would be nice to re-visit and see if theres a way we can implement this without causing tracebacks in logs | 15:53 |
| jsuchome | originally I wanted to ask if it could be the right approach, to use some real methods instead of fake one | 15:53 |
| jsuchome | but I was looking at it today | 15:53 |
| portdirect | it would be lovely is oslo.messgaing supported a `ping` but there we are ;) | 15:53 |
| itxaka | maybe a different approach? do we have to check for RPC aliveness? Is there any other places we can look at for how to do this? | 15:53 |
| jsuchome | and it seems to me that some components like conductor and scheduler does not seem to support read-only rpc calls | 15:53 |
| portdirect | this was the challenge we hit jsuchome :( | 15:54 |
| jsuchome | ah, so that explains weird implementation | 15:54 |
| portdirect | itxaka: with the absence of more rich reporting from the agents, im at a loss as to how we can do this another way | 15:55 |
| portdirect | but would love to have one | 15:55 |
| jsuchome | I guess it's wrong approach, trying to add such 'ping' calls to nova code... ? | 15:55 |
| evrardjp | get hypervisor status for compute? | 15:55 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: but that does not cover the hard ones | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | yeah. I suppose we should discuss this in self-healing | 15:56 |
| portdirect | we need read-only rpc across the board | 15:56 |
| jsuchome | compute actually is solvable, as proposed in that patch | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | because they probably have ideas there | 15:56 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: agreed | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | looks like a good collaboration topic for ptg | 15:56 |
| jsuchome | would anyone else (apart from helm project) benefit from new calls? | 15:57 |
| portdirect | it would be awesome if we could move off this approach | 15:57 |
| evrardjp | with oslo team | 15:57 |
| portdirect | jsuchome: if done properly - every deployment/management project could | 15:57 |
| itxaka | anything that implements monitoring would take advantage of that | 15:57 |
| evrardjp | it doesn't need to be a community goal, but something like that can be approach by a pop up team | 15:57 |
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| evrardjp | approached* | 15:58 |
| jsuchome | hm, might be a good idea to bring it in nova meeting | 15:58 |
| portdirect | there have been a few efforts in the past here, though normally they have stalled | 15:58 |
| portdirect | getting a project like nova to lead the way would be great | 15:58 |
| * portdirect we ok to run over a few mins | 15:58 | |
| evrardjp | portdirect: in this room? I think it's better to continue in #openstack-helm if necessary | 15:59 |
| evrardjp | being a good citizen :) | 15:59 |
| portdirect | prabhusesha: you oke if we dicsuss your topic in the main #openstack-helm channel? `Keystone failure with all-in-one setup` | 15:59 |
| prabhusesha | ok | 16:00 |
| jsuchome | is anyone here active in nova? If not, I can try to ask there myself (still RPC topic) | 16:00 |
| portdirect | jsuchome: that would rock | 16:00 |
| portdirect | itxaka: did my comments in the etherpad help you with your questions re reviews? | 16:00 |
| portdirect | if not lets take it to the openstack-helm channel | 16:00 |
| itxaka | portdirect, yep feel free to ignore those, I got enough as to move them forward | 16:01 |
| portdirect | awesome - thanks :) | 16:01 |
| jsuchome | I mean, it would be better if it would be someone better known to nova community, but I'd do that if no one else fits such description | 16:01 |
| portdirect | sorry we out of time folks | 16:01 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting openstack-helm | 16:01 |
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| itxaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 16:01:35 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-04-09-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-04-09-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-04-09-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| evrardjp | thanks portdirect | 16:01 |
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| itxaka | thanks all! | 16:01 |
| angiewang | :) I am really looking for the review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641518/ - Add aodh chart | 16:01 |
| prabhusesha | hello | 16:02 |
| prabhusesha | can somebody help with the tungstenfabric review ? | 16:02 |
| prabhusesha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622573/2 | 16:03 |
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| prabhusesha | portdirect, evrardjp, itxaka, | 16:04 |
| prabhusesha | any volunteers | 16:05 |
| portdirect | prabhusesha: will do | 16:05 |
| jsuchome | prabhusesha: I think you should move the discussion to #openstack-helm , this channel is reserved for meetings and ours ended | 16:05 |
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| prabhusesha | ok. For the review, i need some help | 16:05 |
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| prabhusesha | thanks! portdirect | 16:06 |
| portdirect | prabhusesha: if you join openstack-helm channel we can help with the keystone issue | 16:06 |
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| prabhusesha | i already posted on helm-channel. i got some comments | 16:10 |
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| prabhusesha | @Moh provided some comments. | 16:11 |
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