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| roman_g | o/ | 15:03 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 15:03 |
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| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 19 15:03:29 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is srwilkers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| georgk | hi | 15:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:03 |
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| itxaka | o/ | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | GM all | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | #topic rollcall | 15:03 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| srwilkers | here's the etherpad for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-03-19 | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | let's give it a few minutes to let others roll in | 15:04 |
| srwilkers | alright, let's get rolling | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | #topic Multi distro support | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi distro support (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:06 | |
| srwilkers | take it away evrardjp | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | so | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-container-distro-support | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | I think there is enough things written there to start writing the spec. | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | I have hoped that we'll get to discuss this before this meeting to speed up the process. | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | Anyway | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | Input required on location of values. I think the rest can go for spec time, and then we can move on in gerrit from now on. | 15:08 |
| srwilkers | i agree -- i'd say that etherpad is full and ready to go | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | Before I propose that spec, I would like to have input on L104. | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | i'd think we can handle where those values land in the spec itself and discuss it there, as that's bound to have differing opinions | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | would be nice to address that via gerrit | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | If I don't get input for Friday, I will just propose in gerrit, and we'll address comments there | 15:09 |
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| evrardjp | ok | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | that's fine then | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | I will propose in gerrit. | 15:09 |
| srwilkers | cool -- it's time to get this train rolling :) | 15:10 |
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| evrardjp | I don't want this to turn value definition turn into bikeshed though. Please keep in mind we are in a rush, that's it :) | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | any questions? | 15:10 |
| srwilkers | none from me | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | next? | 15:11 |
| roman_g | next | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: can you do the topic mojo? :p | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | it's your meeting :D | 15:12 |
| srwilkers | #topic Image building user experience/user interface | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Image building user experience/user interface (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:12 | |
| evrardjp | for me again :) | 15:12 |
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| srwilkers | yep -- carry on, my man | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | So, I have reviews up. | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | it's Building as much as we can based on upstream roles to reduce the amount of code to maintain | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | however, our user interface "build.sh" in osh-images/openstack/loci/ is not used anymore in ci | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | we now have 3 different interfaces: zuul's image building, the build.sh scripts and makefiles | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | just for the openstack image building process | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | So... what are you using? | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | Should I delete the build scripts? | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | it's just passing arguments to loci after all... | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | it seems nobody cares? | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | right -- i've got no strong feelings on this one. maybe we can throw up a change to remove the build.sh scripts as an RFC and see what people say | 15:15 |
| srwilkers | and if there's no strong feelings about keeping them, we remove them | 15:15 |
| jsuchome | well, we are currently using build.sh wrappers, do you propose to use loci directly? | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | jsuchome: yes | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | removing code is my favorite hobby | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | wow people aren't even receptive to jokes? | 15:17 |
| portdirect | as long as we have some mechanism that makes it easy to build outside of zuul - im good with it | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | isn't that what loci does? | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | we can keep what we do for now | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | it's just it's 3 different interfaces, they WILL get out of sync | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | but ok, understood | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | like we did in the past then! | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | next topic | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | ? | 15:19 |
| jsuchome | I think you have a point, it's just some refactoring on our side is needed | 15:19 |
| jsuchome | of course everybody loves removing code | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | sounds good jsuchome | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | if someone tells you they dont, they're lying | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | anything else here? | 15:20 |
| srwilkers | moving on | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | #topic Python3 support | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python3 support (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:21 | |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: carry it away | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | things are broken for now | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641643/ | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | this is a first step. | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | Question for the community: | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | should we care about python3 only going forward? I don't know when 1.0 is due, but it wouldn't it be better to release with python3 in it? | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | It seems there is no strong opinion there -- but carrying two versions seems a hassle | 15:23 |
| srwilkers | i'm a fan of moving to python3, but i'm just one person | 15:23 |
| itxaka | python3 is the future and the future is now! | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | ++ | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | :D | 15:24 |
| roman_g | I'm not a developer, but I hear from every corner and kettle, that Python 2 is out of business starting from 2020 | 15:24 |
| itxaka | well, 2020 more like it, when python2 support is off | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | yep | 15:24 |
| roman_g | So I'm for Python 3 | 15:24 |
| itxaka | ++ | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | won't hear any complaints from me | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | roman_g: indeed 2020. Sorry I didn't write it. | 15:24 |
| itxaka | we should then start making zuul jobs python3 asap so we dont get any code that is at least py2+3 compatible | 15:25 |
| itxaka | like 10 days ago some aliveness probes got in which already break in python3 | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: I agree. | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: I believe we should try it with the current PTI | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | exercise the code* | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | which means python3.6 is something that matters | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | but ok, we agree that if we see things, we'll get that appropriately fixed/prioritized. | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | That's all I had on this topic | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | sounds good, let's move on | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | #topic Participation in Google Summer of Code and Season of Docs | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Participation in Google Summer of Code and Season of Docs (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:27 | |
| srwilkers | roman_g: i think this one's you | 15:27 |
| roman_g | Well. portdirect , are you here? | 15:28 |
| roman_g | Bot didn't work on the past meeting, but we got positive feedback from Pete | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | or itxaka -- sorry, those blue colors are hard for my eyes to differentiate between | 15:28 |
| roman_g | He wanted to follow-up on hwether we would be able to find some work for technical writers | 15:29 |
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| roman_g | and what would be efforts from our side to get into the program | 15:29 |
| roman_g | If no other comments from you all, let's move to the next topic, and I will move topic to the next meeting | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | i'm sure there's something we can dig up, but probably need him to chime in here -- we may need to poke him in the channel later | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | alright, moving on | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | I like the idea like I said last week | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | yeah, it's a good idea | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | #topic Reviews | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:31 | |
| srwilkers | we've got a few reviews listed here: | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/642422/ | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641643/ | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643958/ | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/644573/ | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639961/ | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643940/ | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | you forgot #link to all of those! :p | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | that's fine, dont' worry :) | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | heh | 15:32 |
| roman_g | The pen is mightier than the sword. | 15:33 |
| jsuchome | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/644573/ seems to be critical, as other zuul jobs are failing without it | 15:33 |
| itxaka | plus the author of the patch seems like a cool person | 15:33 |
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| jsuchome | +1 :-) | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | spanish names for coolitude are overrated itxaka | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | but yeah, totally needed. | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | looks good to me | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | just need a super +w | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643940/ this moves the pod security policy job in osh-infra back to a nonvoting check, as it was accidentally moved back to a voting check and gating job in a subsequent unrelated change | 15:35 |
| srwilkers | any other requests for reviews that arent listed here? | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | nope | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | cool | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | #topic roundtable | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roundtable (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:37 | |
| srwilkers | we've got about 20 minutes left | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | question about ptg | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | any round table items anyone wants to chat about while we're here? | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | fire away | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | it seems the airship/osh squad share the same room during PTG. Some people might be interested in some conversations and not to some others | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | do you have a plan on how to split days? | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | not at the moment, but i've got a personal preference because i messed up my return flight | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | if not, we should :) | 15:39 |
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| evrardjp | haha | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | i'm due to fly out saturday morning at 7:00am | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | because i forgot the PTG ran through saturday this time | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | I am stretched very thin, so agenda will matter a lot. | 15:39 |
| srwilkers | yeah, i think this is something we need to solidify quickly | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | #action srwilkers to follow up in regards to osh/airship PTG schedule | 15:40 |
| srwilkers | i'll get the discussion started with the appropriate parties and get something out on the ML within the next 24 hours | 15:41 |
| roman_g | question (1/2): what are the low-hanging fruits, if I'd want to help openstack-helm? How do I find them? (so far I'm mostly chatting here and there) | 15:41 |
| roman_g | question (2/2): where is the mailing list? :) | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | roman_g: those are good questions | 15:41 |
| roman_g | I've actually searched for the mailing list info, and couldn't find it | 15:42 |
| srwilkers | for 1: i don't think we've made it particularly easy to find those. in my opinion, the lowest hanging fruit to pick would be things like making sure all of our chart templates are as close to uniform as possible | 15:42 |
| roman_g | would that be like openining chart templates in 2 windows, and seeing if structure matches? | 15:43 |
| srwilkers | by that, i mean: are we using helm-toolkit macros appropriately across all charts? are all indentations following the same standards? do we have disparity between how the values files are laid out (ie: different key names for the same sections for things like volumes, dependencies, etc) | 15:43 |
| srwilkers | roman_g: yep | 15:43 |
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| roman_g | ahha, +/- got it | 15:44 |
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| srwilkers | in terms of the mailing list, this should be a good resource to use: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: that starts with an explanation of the htk exposes | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | of what the htk exposes* | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | We should increase documentation around it | 15:45 |
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| srwilkers | evrardjp: agreed, which would be another great low hanging fruit item for anyone who's got some familiarity with helm | 15:45 |
| srwilkers | that's generally the first place i try and point people when they reach out to me | 15:45 |
| roman_g | What would be an easy way to pass all rendered shell scripts trough shell linter? Is there a need in such a gate? Which linter? | 15:46 |
| srwilkers | that's a great question -- we had chatted long ago about using something like yamllint to try and enforce structure in all charts' values.yaml files | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | oh, i misread that | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | i wouldn't be opposed to the idea of something like a shell linter | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | bashate or shellshock are generally used | 15:50 |
| * srwilkers is afraid to admit how many times he's botched up a shell script | 15:50 | |
| evrardjp | I would totally love having time to write a linter that works for our needs. | 15:50 |
| itxaka | so that would go helm template -> shell linter?? | 15:50 |
| evrardjp | ? | 15:50 |
| itxaka | because we need to template it first for the values to be rendered | 15:50 |
| evrardjp | it's still doable | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | itxaka: yeah, would need to use helm template to render the script templates, then feed the output into whatever linter we decided to use | 15:51 |
| itxaka | sounds good to me, we could do the same with the yaml files and python files (thinks about python3 compatibility....) | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: good plan | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | also good low hanging fruits for someone to tackle :) | 15:52 |
| roman_g | Thank you all. | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | no problem roman_g | 15:53 |
| roman_g | One last Review: https://review.openstack.org/644604 Fix: update merge to mergeOverwrite | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | anyone have anything else? | 15:54 |
| roman_g | I've just found that we missed this merge/mergeOverwrite | 15:54 |
| srwilkers | oh, so we did | 15:54 |
| roman_g | I have absolutely no idea if it's correct or not | 15:54 |
| roman_g | but we didn't change this one in the patch we have had | 15:55 |
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| roman_g | that's it | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | we definitely want to remain consistent where possible | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | cool | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | alright, if nobody has anything else, let's wrap it up then | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | thanks for coming today everyone | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 19 15:57:01 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-03-19-15.03.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-03-19-15.03.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-03-19-15.03.log.html | 15:57 |
| roman_g | RE: lists: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo - there is nothing related to Helm | 15:57 |
| roman_g | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists - also nothing | 15:58 |
| roman_g | Ctrl+F Helm revealss nothing | 15:58 |
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